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Speaker 1: been criticized for glorifying suicide because I'm about to tell

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Speaker 1: you the story of my life, more specifically, why my

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons why everyone is just so nice

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Speaker 1: until they drive you to kill yourself. This is Crime

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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Other says a teacher gave her

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Speaker 1: fifteen year old son the idea to watch a Netflix

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Speaker 1: series she feels contributed to some of his mental health issues.

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Speaker 1: One of the teachers was discussing the series in class

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Speaker 1: and basically said, you know, I think it's a pretty

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Speaker 1: good show. You guys should check it out. Days later,

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Speaker 1: her son was committed for psychiatric evaluation. He was creating

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Speaker 1: a thirteen Reasons Why list told us he was having

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Speaker 1: controversial need You Netflix show Thirteen Reasons Why? It sounds

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Speaker 1: innocent innocuous enough, doesn't it? Thirteen Reasons Why? Why? What? Why?

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Speaker 1: I don't want to live. That's the rest of that sentence.

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Speaker 1: Thirteen reasons why I want to commit suicide? And this

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Speaker 1: is geared toward tweens. Yeah, children, I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. We reported on a vigilant Florida mother

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Speaker 1: who got very concerned when her son had suicidal ideations

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Speaker 1: thoughts of suicide. Well, who wouldn't think about suicide after

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Speaker 1: you watch Netflix thirteen reasons why I should commit suicide?

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Speaker 1: And it's about a young person who does, in fact

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Speaker 1: some sort of notoriety or popularity amongst their horrible friends

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Speaker 1: that mocked them and bullied them in life. It's all

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Speaker 1: twisted up and bass awkwards. Who wouldn't think of suicide

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Speaker 1: when you watch a popular show about child suicide? Of

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Speaker 1: course you're gonna think about suicide. I didn't think about

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Speaker 1: being with us. Thank you, Anthy, I really appreciate you

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Speaker 1: I never understood. I never understood why, and it has

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Speaker 1: about it. Tell me how this whole thing got started, mom, Well, basically,

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Speaker 1: why is he doing these things? He knows that you know,

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Speaker 1: That's that's the problem. That's the problem with this teacher

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Speaker 1: to tell. Their parents are ashamed. I mean, of course,

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Speaker 1: a minute, whoa, whoa, whoa, What did a teacher say

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Speaker 1: He just turns fifteen, okay, so all this has been

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Speaker 1: the show about? Alan Duke tell me about the show

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Speaker 1: because didn't a child in Thirteen Reasons Why commits suicide

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Speaker 1: self harming? Uh? Chat rooms issues like that. You are

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I'm praying for you, mom that

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Speaker 1: that your son survives this because you've got to work.

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Speaker 1: You have to work, that's right. And what do you

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Speaker 1: and you have to work. I'd be a nervous wreck.

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Speaker 1: Everyone hotline my husband. Yeah, my husband is supervising him

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Speaker 1: during the day. He's not home alone. Nancy. We don't

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Speaker 1: I have to come to work every day and I

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Speaker 1: It's it's a difficult. I know, I know, Karen. Do

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Speaker 1: you remember when I would leave for work and it

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Speaker 1: would kill me to go over to seeing in studios.

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Speaker 1: I would bathe them, be playing with them. I would

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Speaker 1: have to sneak out without my shoes on so they

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Speaker 1: And now this mom is dealing with leaving. I remember

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Speaker 1: how you would never leave them, and if you had

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Speaker 1: to leave them, you went. If you had to travel

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Speaker 1: You brought them wherever you could. I remember all of it.

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Speaker 1: I just think it was so frightening. I just I'm

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Speaker 1: know what, there's thousands and thousands of situations just like this. Everyone.

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Speaker 1: Please one out of five. That's a huge number, huge number.

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Speaker 1: One out of five. Mom, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping that your son has someone he can talk to.

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Speaker 1: He does. He is set up with counselors. Wilson's um

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Speaker 1: made a good safety plan for us before we left,

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Speaker 1: so we could see what looks and what to be

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Speaker 1: back there. And he's actually coming back very quickly since

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Speaker 1: record straight, okay, I'm not None of this ever came

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Speaker 1: to the public in hopes to blame the teacher for

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Speaker 1: mental illness. I'm not stupid. I know that it's not

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Speaker 1: his fault that the student has mental illness. However, if

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Speaker 1: if you read in the original story, when they questioned him,

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Speaker 1: He said the kids were talking about it. He went

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Speaker 1: home and watched it. They came back and had a discussion,

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Speaker 1: which means he saw the warning at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the show, which should have plued him in to hey,

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Speaker 1: maybe we should let the parents know before this goes

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Speaker 1: any further, and that was not done. That is the

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Speaker 1: issue I've had anther parent judging me like I'm the

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Speaker 1: worst woman in the world, the worst mother ever out there,

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Speaker 1: and that is simply not true at all. I've done

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Speaker 1: everything but I can for my kids, everything that I

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Speaker 1: can to try to keep them safe. But you do

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Speaker 1: not know everything. If every mother knew everything, we wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be having this talk right now. I think that a

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Speaker 1: teacher I've never I taught people saying that I was

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Speaker 1: trying to get paid. I'm not trying to get paid.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to save a life, my son's life. And

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Speaker 1: I can't believe people even said that about you. Don't

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Speaker 1: they understand a mother's love. Well, they're horrible, they're horrible,

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Speaker 1: and they're adult bullies. But this is what I know.

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Speaker 1: You're saving his life. You are saving his life, and

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Speaker 1: the teacher. If the teacher said this is a great show.

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Speaker 1: You should check it out. That in itself is a

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Speaker 1: big no no. I'm sure the teacher didn't mean it

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Speaker 1: to end up like this, but it did. And I

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Speaker 1: know you're not out for money. That's a horrible allegation

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Speaker 1: to make against you. You're trying to save your son's life.

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Speaker 1: And in my eyes, exactly, in my eyes, you're a hero.

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Speaker 1: I want to put that number out one more time.

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Speaker 1: The National Suicide Prevention Line eight D two seven three

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Speaker 1: eight two five five and again, if you're not there

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Speaker 1: when a fire starts, who will be there to save

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Speaker 1: your home? Would simply save home security, your smoke detectors,

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Speaker 1: Nancy with me, the Florida mom we've been talking about,

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Speaker 1: and Karen Stark and my buddy Alan Deep Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: crime story signing off, goodbye friend,