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Speaker 1: That's crazy. Rick Harlisle just resigned. What else? Oh, Kevin

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Speaker 1: seventy three wins, they didn't win a championship. They were

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Speaker 1: that if I had a pizza place right there, but well,

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Speaker 1: you know, you can make just an unbelievable amount of

429
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Speaker 1: money just having a and and charged this by the

430
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 1: slice getting it call it his and I think the

431
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: same thing because Advance Wahlberg deserves a lot of credit.

432
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: But with the dribble drive, I think, you know, and

433
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 1: and and he he's the one that kind of star

434
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: arted it Vance Wallberg. Coach Calipari got it from Coach Wahlberg,

435
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,719
Speaker 1: flew out there and met with them, brought him in

436
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: all those things, and Coach Caliperi, the genius that he

437
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: was or is um then took the dribble and marketed

438
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: it in a way that it was you know, it

439
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: was incredible. You know, and now again he had to

440
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: coach it. He did some things to his own liking

441
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: and stuff, but but he tailored it to what he

442
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: felt was best for him. But then his marketing, his

443
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 1: ability to market I mean, think about it, Doug, you know,

444
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: and I say this, I mean, you know really you

445
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: know a lot of the things that you know, he

446
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: made the dribble drive obviously, like I said, Coach Vance

447
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: Wallberg started it, but he Coach Calipari made it famous.

448
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: Coach Calipari started the pro dace. You know, he kind

449
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: of started the one and done thing, you know where

450
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: it's you know, um, there's a lot of he didn't

451
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: was his marketing. Here's the beauty child. Okay. And this

452
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 1: is again we both have the same thing with cal

453
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 1: we both I think he's amazed, but like we also understand,

454
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: like shrief of Dourrahim have been a one and done,

455
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: there's been you know, Duke had had a couple of

456
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: it wasn't marketed duc it was. And that's the point

457
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: right where it's really amazing. And you see that in

458
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 1: business as well, where it's like you know, there are

459
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: plenty of coffee companies that have done what Starbucks have done.

460
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: But Starbucks found a way to kind of get it

461
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: and almost claim it as their own. And you're like,

462
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: wait a second, you know it's Aerosmith says this, and

463
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: Aerosmith says, amateurs borrow professional steel in terms of you know, music,

464
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: rips and whatever. Right, and that's that's that's cow Like

465
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: he finds something, he's like, not only does he understand

466
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: it and get it and go like that'll work, but

467
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 1: it'll go like all right, then I put my stamp

468
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: on it, and I marketed my way, and it kind

469
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: of becomes my thing, even if it's not my thing.

470
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: Like that was brilliant. No, there's a lot of brilliancy

471
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Speaker 1: with that, and obviously which then attracted um many great

472
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: players and we talked about he's a great coach. But

473
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: but then it's just like the having like the like

474
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: Drake become part of like Kentucky program, now you know

475
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: what I mean. I mean, you know, it's like so

476
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: many coaches push away thing like no, I don't want

477
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: to I don't like track right, or he's just come

478
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: home like like come on coming, like he gets it,

479
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: gets like Lebron engaged, it gets draight like it's it's okay.

480
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: So okay, so now you're managing all this stuff, you're

481
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: putting together a roster. Did you have Elliott Williams sitting

482
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Speaker 1: out or did you get him to transl Elliott Williams

483
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: um and and I you know, he came to Memphis

484
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: because of the reason, and it was a sad reason.

485
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: His mom unfortunately had breast cancer and didn't have a

486
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: long time and so he wanted and he's from Memphis,

487
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: Elliott um, and so he came back home. Um. You know,

488
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: he wanted to have his mom and his family be

489
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: able to see him playing in person with the amount

490
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Speaker 1: of time she had. And and he had a great

491
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Speaker 1: year for me. And thank you. Okay, so so so

492
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: so you have Elliott Williams, Duke transfers, brilliant kid, as

493
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: your as your as your point guard, your your leader.

494
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: You said you gotta figure out how to play, all right,

495
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: and I mentioned you had you know, you've got Calipari,

496
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: you got Luke, you got Ko And like, look, Ko,

497
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure we could do another pod on working for Ko.

498
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: Maybe that airs, maybe it doesn't, like because there's a

499
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: lot going on there, but the brilliant basketball guy, I

500
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: don't think anyone would would argue otherwise. Um, and he's

501
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: had his own I gotta do a pot with him,

502
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: like he's had his own like the people he's worked

503
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: with and amazing. How did you decide how you want

504
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: to play? Like? Did you you just go sit in

505
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: a dark room? Did you watch film? Did you have

506
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: your staff? How did you decide, Josh pastor how I

507
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: want to play? Year one at Memphis? You know, Doug,

508
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: you know here here's I would tell you this is

509
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: part of you know, I've been a head coach now

510
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: for twelve years and and and so you know, I

511
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 1: was fortunate, Um, you know that that I really believe

512
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: I have gotten better each year as a head coach,

513
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: which is just natural growth. I've had really good assistant

514
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: coaches that I've worked for me that I've learned so

515
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: much from. I've been very fortunate in that area that

516
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: I've been able to improve and get better because I've

517
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: had good people that I've worked you know, that have

518
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: worked with me. And then on the same time, I've

519
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: really tried to be a student of the game and

520
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: be open minded and continued to evolve. Um, you know,

521
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: And so one of the things that I didn't do

522
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: a good enough job on early at Memphis is I

523
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: felt I did not have a certain style of a

524
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: of how I wanted to play both offensive and defense.

525
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: And I thought I was changing, uh, year by year,

526
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: And I and and I look back now, we won

527
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: a lot of games, and thank the good Lord, we

528
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: want a lot of games. And the reason we want

529
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: a lot of games was because I had great players

530
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: and great assistant coaches, you know, and who covered for

531
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: me in both areas. But I really, looking back in

532
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: my position that I didn't do a good enough job

533
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: in in in making sure that that we stayed consistent

534
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: of our style of play. Yeah, you're gonna make t

535
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: so you want to so so again in now, twelve

536
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: years in again, if you could go back, we're all like,

537
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: you know, you get people like, well, you can't, you

538
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: can't look back, Like of course you do. You look back,

539
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: you learn from the past and try and make a

540
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: better future. Right, So, if you could go back, you

541
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: would have installed a system and stuck to that system. Yes, yes,

542
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: and and and as much as we want, Doug, we

543
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: would have won even more. I really believe that the

544
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: here's the problem with but but here here's the here's

545
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: the problem with Okay, that Dougin, this is outside of perspective.

546
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: I believe you're right, Okay, I believe that's the way

547
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: to do it. I think you get more out of less,

548
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: and you can also recruit to a system instead of constantly.

549
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: And I understand that the challenge in trying to evolve

550
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: and fit something to the personnel that you have, but

551
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: that that's a you know, it's like the Belichick thing,

552
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: which is like, hey, let's just go try and win

553
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: this week, and then next week we'll try and go

554
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: win next week. And they're amazing at it. But I

555
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: tend to agree with you, especially if it's a system

556
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: that you know and that you believe in. And I mean,

557
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: I think it's the Wisconsint thing, right, Like I don't

558
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: love their system, but they recruit to their system and

559
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: they coach to their system, and guys understand, like you

560
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: want to play, this is how you're gonna have to play.

561
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: You know, we'll we'll tinker with some things, we'll just

562
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: some things they become. But I do think that that's

563
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: but it's also hard when you're again, like even though

564
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: you were on the staff, that's like trying to reprogram

565
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: somebody else's stereo, right, like you don't ship, I don't

566
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: know how to This is not me, this is not

567
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: what what what I would do, and it's not how okay,

568
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: So what did you do your first year? What was

569
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: your you know? And you're right, And so I had

570
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: as the head coach, I was trying to making sure

571
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: that that we were good in in things that that

572
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: the guys knew how to be good at that we

573
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: that they just had been doing for a few years

574
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: in the previous years for example, well like for example,

575
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: like you know, we did do a little lot of

576
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: dribble drive stuff. We did do a lot of drive

577
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: and kick and things like that. So but I also

578
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: came I also in my time at Arizona, we did

579
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: what was interesting and and it's gone away now and

580
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: I still think it's one of it's a tremendous offense um.

581
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: But we ran a lot of three out two in

582
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: with the flair screen re screen type of action. It

583
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: was emotional offense. It was really good. It was excellent.

584
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: But but it's different now because you know, not everyone's

585
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: playing with the true four and a true five, you

586
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's it's the game has evolved

587
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: but but it's like it's like build self with the

588
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: high load you've been involved with into no exactly we

589
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: might have changed offensively, we meant it, but the no

590
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: map with me. And there's two things we were excellent

591
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: at at at at high field goals being assisted. We

592
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: were always one of the best in the in the

593
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: country or in the best in the league. Our ball

594
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: movement and the way we moved the ball. In my

595
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: whole saying was our go to man was the open man.

596
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: The open man was the go to man. I said

597
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: that every day all day. So we always moved the ball.

598
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: And and and I told and I used that. People

599
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: would say, well, your offense looks like then you just

600
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: scrap something. I said, how And I would always take

601
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: that personal because I said, you know, that's that's a

602
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: shot to our players because they played so unselfish. Because

603
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: you look at our assist and we celebrated the hockey assist.

604
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: We celebrated the assist. We celebrated whatever it took to

605
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: get Our ball movement was great. That was one. And two.

606
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: We were really good defensively. We're always good defensively. Now

607
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: you could say that, man, your offense got stagged in here,

608
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: or you didn't do this here, or you didn't use

609
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: this guy the right way here. I get that, and

610
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: I look back and saying, you know, there's some things

611
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: like maybe I should have used a different type of

612
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: ball screen action, or I should have done this or that.

613
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: But we were good in those two areas with all

614
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: that being said, and and and because we played unselfish

615
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: and and and I was and that was something that

616
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: we were on about all the time, about finding the

617
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: open man, turning down on a good shot for even

618
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: a great shot. So but I think we couldn't even

619
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: you know. So I tried, going back to your question,

620
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: I tried to combine the two, but it wasn't. It

621
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: was an evolving process, Doug, because in my first year there,

622
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: we signed the number one recruiting class in the country

623
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: there was, And so I had been trying to fit

624
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: things coming in as a bunch of young guys, and

625
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: I kind of changed some things my second year on

626
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: how I played offensive. My first year it was just

627
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, and then we were a high turnover team.

628
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: As much as we were having high assists, we also

629
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: had high turnovers. And part of that I looked back

630
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,239
Speaker 1: that I that we didn't have a I changed year

631
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: and you're out with some of our system stuff offensively,

632
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: which which probably wasn't the right thing to do. What

633
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: I was really proud of our staff and we had

634
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: a lot of guys leave Memphis to become head coaches.

635
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: Jack Murphy became the head coach at Northern Arizona and

636
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: he did a great job at Northern Arizona. Is now

637
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: the associate coach in Arizona. Damon Stottemeyer left THEIRS or

638
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: left Memphis for me and became the head coach at Pacific.

639
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: You know, I had Willis Wilson was the head coach

640
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, and came to me and then became

641
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: the head coach at Texas. Tell me the Siposon story.

642
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: She's the best one. This is the best one. So

643
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: I was doing with Willis Wilson. Incredible human being, incredible man. Okay,

644
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: where I have one of my first guy ever when

645
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: I did not audition to ESPN and my first games

646
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: at ESPN, and then he was studio host for me

647
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: getting Dave revs and stuff. He's the basically the face

648
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: of the Big Ten network. So we're doing a rice game, okay,

649
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: and God he had a big guy who was like

650
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: six fo or six five, like short arms. I can't

651
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: remember his name, but he ended up making the NBA.

652
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: And like I thought, the only only negative I could

653
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 1: tell about Willis Wilson one negative as a human being

654
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: as the coach is I didn't think he was good

655
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: at substitutions. I didn't, but people should look back at

656
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: what he did at Rice, considering now he was. It

657
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: a bad facility at the time, but there was a

658
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: curtain behind one of the baskets and they had a

659
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: bad mitten quarter. Yes, kids were playing fucking bad mitten.

660
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: They're playing a college basketball game, right, Like, how do

661
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: you recruit to a place where they're playing badminton while

662
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: you're playing in college beast? Okay, But so here's where

663
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: Willis Wilson is an absolute gem of a human being.

664
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: I gotta remember who they're playing, playing somebody towards the

665
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: end of the year. It's a big game, decent crowd.

666
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: It went to almost supping himself out of the game,

667
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: but they end up winning. And after the game, you know,

668
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: we take off our headsets and he comes over and

669
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: you know, need like I'm a big handshaker when and

670
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: it's every win I ever had at Oaklhoma State. Everyone

671
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: ever had a Notre dame. I was shook my head

672
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: coach's hand and congratulate him, right, I always shake the

673
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: other coaches hand, big at shaking hands, and so I

674
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: go to shake his hand. He's like, you know a

675
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: little of the weather, like, let's just elbow. This is now.

676
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: This is like I'm gonna go two thud and like

677
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: six or something. Right, this is way before anybody did

678
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: the elbow thing. And Dave Revson is a bit of

679
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: a germaphobe. And we go walking out and he goes

680
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: that Willis Wilson, what hell of a guy? Right, Like,

681
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: how thoughtful of is he that he would anybody else

682
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: would just I'm not feeling great, but I just won

683
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: a game, and shake your hand. I'm even give you

684
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: a hug. And he does the elbow thing. Well, not

685
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: a German bolte, but just smart and understanding. Um. I

686
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: like that was that we revsent and I always talked

687
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: about Willis Wilson, were like, great guy didn't shake hands

688
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: because he wasn't feeling great. That's awesome. Okay, So so

689
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure some stuff out, Um, what's it like,

690
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: what's it really like to recruit in the city of Memphis,

691
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: Because Memphis, here's the again outside, you've lived it, you've

692
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: done it. Outsider's perspective of man, that ship is wild, right, like,

693
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: because Memphis has some great basketball, great basketball players, but

694
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: you almost feel like, you take Memphis kids, there's just

695
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: expectations that are so beyond what their actual cape bid is.

696
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: You take them, you have to play them. If you

697
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: don't play them, everybody's gonna kill you in the community.

698
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: If you do play them, they might not be either

699
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: ready or have played the type of college basketball at

700
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: both ends and that you need to win. Um, there's

701
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: also conflicting alliances, right, not everybody just because you're from

702
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: Memphis doesn't like mean you'd like everybody from Memphis. Like

703
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: that ship's got to be wild. What was it actually

704
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: like to recruit Memphis kids in Memphis? Now they're there there, Doug,

705
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: there's a lot of intensity being recruiting kids from Memphis,

706
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: and uh and I and I and again, let me

707
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: just be very clear, I love my time at meant love.

708
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: The job was awesome, and I love recruiting in Memphis.

709
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: That being said, there was a lot of a lot

710
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: of higher expectations that come with it. Now it is

711
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: hard for someone to come in and get a Memphis

712
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: kid now. Like John Calipari prior to me, he was able,

713
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: especially the last four years, he was able to get

714
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: guys outside of Memphis because he was you know, national,

715
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: He can go pluck guys anywhere. I really, when I

716
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: got the job, really locked in and try to focus

717
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: on some of the local talent there. And there was

718
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: some great guy coming up, and we were fortunate that

719
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: we were able to get some great, great players. And

720
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: we were also able to get a guy like Will Barton,

721
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: uh and in fact his brother Antonio Barton, who ended

722
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: up helping me win a lot of games early on

723
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: as well too. But I say all that to say

724
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: there was a lot of expectations and a guy like

725
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson who was a great player, um and it

726
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: was a McDonald's All American, and so much the pressure

727
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: that was put on Joe from being in the in

728
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: that city, in that locale, and he's a great player.

729
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: Joe four straight years, you know, going to the n

730
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: C to a tournament, one of the top five in

731
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: Memphis history, and points rebounded, points assists, steals, wins. Just

732
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: an incredible player. Um you know he he that. I

733
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: could see it on the pressure on him. And we

734
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: had other guys on the team as well too from Memphis.

735
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: What was interesting, Doug. Two things. One and I can

736
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: remember multiple times late game situations because the way that

737
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: the guest tickets we're always behind our bench, you know,

738
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: like the players tickets for the player's guests were behind

739
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 1: our bench. I can't tell how many times late games

740
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: or something. You know, the different coaches in the stands

741
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 1: and the the you coach would be screaming, what you've got, coach,

742
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: what you got? You know, give it to my guy

743
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: in this situation, you better give it to him over there.

744
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: You know, they all wanted their guy to have the

745
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: last I mean it was unbelieving. And you can hear

746
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: it in the background. And you're listening your second team, right,

747
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: you got your second year. You got will Joe Jackson,

748
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: tered Black. Uh, you got Chris Crawford as well from

749
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: from Really Good, Really Good. You got Drew bar him

750
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 1: as well. Like you've got all these and not only

751
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: they Memphis dudes, but they're freshman. Yeah, they're freshman, and

752
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: and I think people. People think that they're supposed to

753
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: just just just coming. So how do you how do

754
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: you navigate that? Right? Like, is it every time you

755
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: get down with the game as their phone calls be

756
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: made of their meet No, it was, it was it

757
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: was every it was all the time. Every Yeah, there

758
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: was just it was. It was constant management um the

759
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: entire time. And so yeah, you were dealing that a

760
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: lot with a lot um you know, as evolved into

761
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: um as I kept, you know, moving a couple more

762
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: years into my career as a head coach, after games,

763
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: I would just eventually just say when we won the game,

764
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: I'd be like, hey, look, winning is hard. And then

765
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, and so any of that's the KO thing,

766
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: that's KOs deal Yale, And I think he took it

767
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: from Larry Brown. I don't know the always and so

768
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: so I used to always say that at Memphis how

769
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: and people get on I say, winning is winning one

770
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: game is hard, And I literally would tell our to

771
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: we've got I was trying to win every possession. I

772
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: was coaching every single possession. But after the game, we

773
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: have a win. I I know, I wouldn't. I would

774
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: see it. My phone would be having mess and I learned,

775
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: and then I'm not dealing with I'm gonna enjoy the win.

776
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna save her the win. I'll deal with it

777
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: tomorrow because i just know there was gonna be complaints,

778
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: There's gonna be stuff. But listen, that's not a Memphis issue.

779
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: And I tell people this all the time that I've

780
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, winning it. Like I said, winning is very hard.

781
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: You don't take it for granted, um be, because it's

782
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: it's it's very hard to do. The other teams are

783
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: very well coached. We've got a lot of good players,

784
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: and we all deal with it that when you when

785
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: you're dealing with um you know, ah, you know a

786
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: kid or didn't didn't play as much, and even though

787
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: you win the game, that that young man could be

788
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: upset their coach there and they're gonna want to know

789
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: what's going on. That happens all throughout. I've just learned

790
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: how to be better at dealing with it through experience

791
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: now that I've been at a high level. Because I've

792
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: been at a high level. I've been at a high

793
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: level at the University of Arizona, you know, at the

794
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: very high that's the very highest level. Even previously between

795
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: the before the University of Arizona, I was with the

796
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: Houston Hoops, my AU team that I was coaching or

797
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: then playing, which was the highest level of AU teams.

798
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: Then I was at Memphis, which was the highest level

799
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: both as an assistant and head coach, and then it

800
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: become the head and then the head coach at Georgia Tech,

801
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: which is in the A c C, which is the

802
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: highest level so in college basketball or grassroots basketball. I've

803
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: been fortunate that in my entire time, I've been at

804
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: a very very high level, dug And I'm saying that

805
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: not saying that again. I've been very clear that I've

806
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: been very lucky and I've had I've been gotten so

807
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: many open opportunity breaks, and people are more deserving to

808
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: be the head coach at Memphis and Georgia Tech than

809
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: I ever was and can ever will be. I mean,

810
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: I just you know that being said, I understand players,

811
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: especially at the high level, because I've been around it.

812
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: I've seen it. I know what goes on with it.

813
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: I know how how they get how parents the coaches.

814
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 1: I understand it. I have a real like I call

815
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: it to get factor. I get it. I get it

816
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: and that when someone maybe doesn't play as much kind

817
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: of how some of the feelings are going to be.

818
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: I understand it because I've been around this type of

819
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: level in my entire and I'm not saying I'm sure

820
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: this happens even at all levels, and I know I

821
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: know it does, but I understand it at at this

822
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: at the highest level in college athletics. I if I

823
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: learned to if I were to have advised you at

824
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: the time, okay, and now obviously hindsight is is so

825
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: I would have said the messaging could it should have

826
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: been okay, I love coach count but do people, and

827
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: I want you to understand it really was like a

828
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: five year built to get to be an ALAK program,

829
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: five year bill through a third year you got the

830
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: ns A tournament. Fourth year you want a game in

831
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: the n A Tournament, I think, um, but it wasn't

832
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: until five or six year that you actually hit. And

833
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: so what people have to understand is like, if you

834
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: want a short term, like we want to just try,

835
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: let's just go and and and now obviously it's changed

836
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: with the transfers, you want a short term, okay, but

837
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: if you you believe in me, or if you believe

838
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: in this program and how to build it, and I'm

839
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: here and I'm telling you I'm here for the long run,

840
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: trust me. But because we lost a whole recruiting class,

841
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to have a for years of a

842
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: build and there'll be some mobs and downs, but I

843
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: believe it can get because that's actually what happened, right.

844
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: It was like your fourth year, your fifth year, you

845
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: end up having that incredible season where you go undefeated

846
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: in league play, and and that's honestly, that's for the

847
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: most part, at a program at the level of Memphis,

848
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: which is a very high level, but it's not Kentucky, right,

849
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 1: Kentucky should and can win thirty a year or close

850
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: to thirty a year with like once every four or

851
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: five years you're gonna have a down year, and once

852
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: every four or five years you're gonna have a national

853
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: championship with Memphis. If you're doing it right, it should

854
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: be a build and then hopefully stays consistently at the

855
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: top and again occasionally you're going to have injuries whatever.

856
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: Like I think that's I don't know if people want

857
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: to hear realistic positivity, but that's the realistic positivity. And

858
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: I understand that. And I but I was very clear

859
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: with everybody that, hey, look, I mean because I obviously

860
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: everybody knew, you know, I told everybody how you know, hey,

861
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: coach Calipari. I mean, what he did is that has

862
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: never been done in the previous four years. So the

863
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: only way to repeat that probably is to try to

864
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: get him to come back. And I don't think he's

865
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 1: coming back, so we're gonna have to like move forward.

866
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: And and and I was more just like hitting the

867
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: kind of hitting the elephant in the room, like, look,

868
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: coach Calipari is going to be in the Hall of Fame.

869
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: I haven't coached the game, and so you know, and

870
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: my job is to try to rally. I felt it

871
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: was I had to rally the city. I was like

872
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: not only running the program, I was, you know, I

873
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, in a sense, when you're the basketball

874
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: coach at Memphis, you're almost like the mayor. And and

875
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: and I was sort of rallying this. I was trying

876
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 1: to rally everybody because a lot of people were upset,

877
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: not because they didn't like coach cal because they loved that.

878
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: They were mad, they were they were they felt hurt,

879
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: that he left because they loved them so much. Obviously,

880
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: you know, as time goes on, they look back and

881
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: things are different, but you know, but at that time,

882
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: that's what how the feelings. So I thought I had

883
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: to really rally everyone. And and then when we had

884
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: our first I thought, you know, are we called it

885
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: Memphis Madness to start open our season in October, we

886
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: had the place sold out. I didn't know if you'd

887
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: even get aout. We had, they had the fire marshals

888
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: had to come to shut the two. It was an

889
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: overflow of crowd at the FedEx Forum. That's and I

890
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: really and I told some people, you know again, then

891
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: we had started playing some games eventually, but but we

892
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: really rallied the city, and the city got behind everybody

893
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: started you know, coming, and that you know, because they

894
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: had I felt we did a good job of rallying

895
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: the city and continued to keep them enthusiastic and and

896
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: and and keep them excited. And let me just say this,

897
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, during the Memphis job, the job has continued

898
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: to change because Memphis was originally in I think it

899
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: was Conference USA, with like Marquette, Louisville, South Florida, all

900
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: those schools they all eventually left to go to the

901
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: Big East. Memphis State Louisville was in the in this

902
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: and then Memphis was just dominating. I mean, you remember,

903
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: Memphis had like a sixty six sixty some odd game

904
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: winning streak in UM in conference play of never losing.

905
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: I happened to be when I took over. I won

906
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: some games that allow us to continue that streak. Eventually

907
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: we ended up losing it. But um, that was an

908
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: amazing I mean, for four years, coach Calipari never lost

909
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: a conference game. Think about that. I mean eighteen oh

910
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: or whatever, sixteen sixteen, sixteen sixteen plus the three games

911
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: and so nine for four straight years. It wasn't lost

912
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: that game. Oh, I was sick to my stomach. I

913
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: felt terrible. The city was upset, everybody was upset. Everyone

914
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: was really upset because it was the first time they

915
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: had lost in a long time. I I felt responsible,

916
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: it was. It was. It was a long sleepless, many

917
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: sleepless nights after that. But when you look back at

918
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: that and you say, man, that the streak that he

919
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: had created to do that was just amazing, and and

920
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: so I think that was. But the league has changed.

921
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: So then when and then so and then when I

922
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: was there, we eventually moved into the Big the A

923
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: C which had all the teams if you remember, had

924
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: like Cincinnati, Yukon, Louisville, Louisville and National championship that first year. Correct,

925
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: So the get so, the get so, the job changed,

926
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: and then some of those teams left to go, you know,

927
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: obviously Louisville and the A C C. And you come

928
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: back to the Big East. You know, South Florida stayed

929
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: in there. I mean they South Florida went from the

930
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: Big East into the A A C. So things changed,

931
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: and so that it has changed. Houston then came in,

932
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: so things had changed through that time. Um uh, you

933
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: know because of the amount of times the league has

934
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: Memphis has changed leagues or teams moving in and out

935
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: of the league. What actually happened, Well, look, Doug, I

936
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: think for seven years. I was there for seven years,

937
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: and I really think what happened was, you know, we

938
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: did a We did a lot of good. Like I said,

939
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: I had such great players, great staffs, great people that

940
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: I worked that worked with me, and it was just

941
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: you get to a seven year you're following John Calipari.

942
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you get to the point where

943
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: probably every low, if a loss, it would you couldn't.

944
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: I couldn't go outside. I couldn't I would I couldn't

945
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: go to a restaurant. That the upsetness for people. Um,

946
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: and I took it personal because I wanted to win

947
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: so bad. I was so attached to every game, every possession.

948
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: It probably was unhealthy. I'm better now, but because I

949
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: knew what it meant to the city, and and and

950
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: so when I when the Georgia Tech job opened from Afar,

951
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 1: I was looking like, and that's a great job. It's

952
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. They just you know, I mean, you know.

953
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: The coach that that had been there before before I

954
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: took over was Brian Gregor, who did a really good job.

955
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: He's a very good basketball coach. He's at South Florida now.

956
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: But I looked at maybe the program needed a shot

957
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: of energy. Um. And then you're in Atlanta, You're in

958
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: the A c C. So I felt, man, this is

959
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: a good opportunity. And um, I just felt it was

960
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: the time. And I and and fortunately I had an

961
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: opportunity to to to take this job and get the job.

962
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: And like I said, when I came in here, I've

963
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: said it many times. Brian Gregory did a great job

964
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: with you know, I was in a coming in, you know,

965
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: as much as I had to, you know, we had

966
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: to build some things back. He left it in a

967
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: great position. It just needs a little shot of energy.

968
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: The culture was great, we had some great players coming

969
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: back and then boom, you know, we had some you know,

970
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: we've been able to continue to build on that from that. So, um,

971
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things, uh, Doug that uh

972
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know how it is. It's

973
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: it's hard to stay to place overly long now these days.

974
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: I think, you know, if if if that's the case.

975
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: But I think part of it was also how because

976
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: of where we started, we I started taking something over

977
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: at the very highest of higher levels and trying to

978
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: sustain that. Um, you know, it's it's not an easy thing.

979
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: Thanks to Josh Pastor, it's just been crazy. Like I

980
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: don't even know if you go to bet rivers, how

981
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: you bet on some of this stuff. Other than trying

982
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: to just have the feel with I. The second I

983
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: saw Kauai was out, though I thought the Clippers no

984
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: chance of winning the championship, they were a three point dog.

985
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: I thought they had a very good chance of winning,

986
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: and sure enough they did with but the NBA playoffs

987
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: have been intriguing and then what happens next and the

988
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: rest of the league fascinating, pastinating Part three coming of

989
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: Josh Pastor will drop it in two days. I give

990
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: you some more NBA nuggets in the meantime. I'm Doug Gottlieb.

991
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: This is ALM