1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call 6 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our superproducer all 7 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: mission control decades. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, 8 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: to know. It is the top of the week as 10 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: you are hearing this, and we are returning with some 11 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: very strange, very new news. Uh and also uh slide update. 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: That cheating scandal stuff that we mentioned in the past 13 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: with the chess masters has been pretty much confirmed. But 14 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: that's oh, that's news to me. Okay, it's a fish. 15 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: What did you hear? So there were um a number 16 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: of studies done on the accused cheaters past games on 17 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: Twitch and on streaming, and uh, it seems like Magnus 18 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: was right. It seems like the young chess expert is 19 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: more of an expert cheater. So maybe we can look 20 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 1: into that in a future future show. I know they 21 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: tried to play another match. Hen Yeah, well he didn't 22 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: rage quitn I think he only joined in the first 23 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: place as like a protest, so that he could quit 24 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: after one move, like as a sign of like he 25 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: knew what the score was. And that guy's old school, 26 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, magn not the old school. I 27 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: mean he's been like the band for like a while, 28 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: so he's got his fingers on the pulse, and I 29 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: think he wasn't going to dignify what he believed to be, 30 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: you know, uh, an affront to the game with you know, 31 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: a rematch. Basically, Well, here's the I want to give 32 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: a special shout out to Economics on Twitter who hit 33 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: me up with some developments here. Looks like hands Nieman 34 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: has uh probably cheated in more than one chess games 35 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: according to the newest investigation. So a lot of those online, right, yeah, again, 36 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: quite a few streaming. But just so you know, the 37 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: stories don't end when the news stops, or they don't 38 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: end when this show is over. And we want to 39 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: thank all our fellow conspiracy realists who reach out to 40 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: us one way or the other to hit us to 41 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: the events going on in this crazy, crazy world. We're 42 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: going to look at an active suspected serial killer We're 43 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: going to explore the future of plant diplomacy and possibly 44 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: super soldier plant warfare. But before we do any of 45 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: that might be saying, why did you guys mention the 46 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: cheating scandal. Well, it's because our first story today also 47 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: pertains to cheating. Uh not not the romantic sort, but 48 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: it's a I have so many dumb jokes to enter this, 49 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: we should just go and calling and calling back to 50 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: the chest cheating scandal. You said it's a fish and 51 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: that was its own kind of little little tease. Uh. 52 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: This is a cheating scandal that has rocked the competitive 53 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: fishing world. UM specifically a fishing tournament out of Cleveland's 54 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: Gordon Park. A guy or a two person team named 55 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: Jake Runyan and Chase Kaminski had entered a competitive fishing 56 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: competition wherein entry um entrance, I guess pay a four 57 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: hundred dollar entry fee, which is what makes the pot 58 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: of winning money. UM. So, therefore, I mean, cheating is 59 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: always you know, sus and super sketchy and bad for business. 60 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: But you know, if you're literally robbing the other people 61 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: that you're competing against, that's like extra not cool. Uh. 62 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: So these two guys have apparently been very successful in 63 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: the competitive fishing world for a long time and have 64 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: breaked in in the hundreds of thousands of dollars in winnings. Um, 65 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: and it's official, it's a fish. They are absolute cheaters. Um. 66 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: It was actually captured on video. Let's just hear a 67 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: little clip of this video just to hear how up 68 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: in arms everyone gets when when this is revealed, and 69 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: then we'll kind of describe the scene. Were okay, so 70 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: what you're hearing is people reacting to the UM, I 71 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: guess the I don't know referee for lack of a 72 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: out term, a guy whose last name is fisher by 73 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: the way, speaking of nominative determinism, which no one really was, 74 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: but now we are. UM. He there was a a 75 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: I guess objection raised to the weight of a particular fish, 76 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: because that is how you know the competition is one 77 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: or lost, is by weight, not necessarily number of fish. 78 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: So it's like a particular fish could kind of tip 79 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: the scales literally and figuratively kind of a pun, but 80 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: there are actual scales involved, and someone calls out, no, man, 81 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: both I don't buy it, no way that fish weighs 82 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: thirty pounds or whatever. Get a knife. So fisher takes 83 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: a knife and cuts open the fish, and within the 84 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: fish there are these like very large, unwieldy like lead weights. 85 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: They look like eggs, and also filets store bought filets 86 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: of walleye, which is the type of fish that was 87 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: that was being u being sought in this competition. And 88 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: as you heard in that clip, everyone lost their mind. 89 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: People are screaming. They're like, I mean they're about to pillary, 90 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: these folks, they're about to you know, run them up 91 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: the rafters. You know, they want their heads. They're they're 92 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: crying for blood. Someone says, we got to file a 93 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: police report. Um, and sure enough that that has in 94 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: fact happened, because this is theft, this is fraud, uh, 95 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: and it calls into question these two dudes Runyon and 96 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: Kaminski's entire uh competitive fishing career, because again they they 97 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: had one. They've been very successful for many many years, 98 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: and um, this is you know, obviously there's going to 99 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: be I don't know how you go back and check 100 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: their past winnings. I mean those fish have obviously been 101 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: filed and fried up or I don't know how they 102 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: throw them back or what. Um. But an electronic scale 103 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: measured their their hall at thirty three point nine one pounds, 104 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: and um, nobody bought it based on what they were seeing. 105 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: And and sure enough, they you know, cut the fish 106 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: open and then they they found weights and and other 107 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: you know, um kind of dressings or you know whatever 108 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: kind of enhancements in their other fish. Um, so this 109 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: is wild. There is actually a an investigation into these guys. 110 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: This is actually a you know, essentially a I mean 111 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: not a not a federal case, but you know, there 112 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: is some concern that there is long term you know, 113 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: theft going on from these folks. So this is an 114 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: ongoing story. Um, but man fish right, like like wow, 115 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: I mean and the funny thing too about fishing is 116 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: apparently it's so rife with cheating already outside of this 117 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: event that UM competitors are required to take polygraph tests 118 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: and apparently, yeah, well we know that polygraph tests are 119 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: you know, very fallible. But apparently Cleveland and commenced Key 120 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: had been UM ejected or had been disqualified from a 121 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: previous tournament last year because one of them failed a 122 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: polygraph test. So, I mean, this is serious business. But 123 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: you know, again we know how uh faulty that these 124 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: results can be for polygraphs with the fact that that's 125 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: even like an issue. Whatever happened to sportsmanship? You know, 126 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: apparently it's out the window, down the drain. What do 127 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: you guys thinking it's another kind of you know again, 128 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: I got a credit my my my favorite YouTube channel 129 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: Internet Today for hipping me to both of these stories, 130 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: the chess one and this phishing one. And they point 131 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: out that these are like two seemingly innocuous sports, you 132 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: know that some people might not even consider sports, and 133 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: yet we're seeing like literally a conspiracy going on, and 134 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: and this one that could date back years hook line 135 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: and Seeker all the way to the bottom. Yeah. Well, 136 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: when there's when there's a monetary reward involved in some 137 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: kind of tournament, no matter what it is, there is 138 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a reason to win, right People are 139 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: strapped for money right now. People always have been. It's 140 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: never been easy to just get by. And if you 141 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: if it seems like there's an easy opportunity to take 142 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: away in this case, almost thirty thous dollars for this 143 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: one tournament that they got caught for. I don't know, 144 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: if you want it badly enough, people find a way. Yeah, life, life, 145 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: and greed, like will find a way. This also calls 146 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: to mind excellent uh conversation we had a number of 147 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: years ago with Brian Tooey. Brian Tooey is a guy 148 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: who not I don't know about everybody else who was listening, 149 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: but he did not a hundred percent persuade me that 150 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: the entirety of professional sports has raged, but he raised 151 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: some incredibly compelling points about specific sports. So it's your 152 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: you know, as you just said, Met, it's it's unfortunately 153 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: not super surprising, UM, but it does bring to mind 154 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: a lot of questions, Nold, do you think this will 155 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: change the way that authorities in competitive fishing, Uh, the 156 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: way that they like calculate winds or their process for 157 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: ascertaining the size the fish. Also props to the guy 158 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: who's like, that's bs fish, fish weighs that well, the 159 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: fish that were being questioned were kind of run of 160 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: the mill, you know, fish that would be around four 161 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: to five pounds lake erie fish. They call them five 162 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: pound cookie cutters, which I guess mean that they're kind 163 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: of like standard And it was very clear that with 164 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: the number of these they had, that that overall weight 165 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: made no sense of the biggest one they had came 166 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: in at seven point nine pounds, which is just completely suspicious. Um. 167 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: I don't know how they thought. I guess they've been 168 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: getting away with it for so long that they just 169 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: kind of got a little sloppy it in brazen, it 170 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: would seem, um. And you know, and in the video 171 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: you can kind of see, uh, when they're you know, 172 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: everything's coming up these guys, and then all of a sudden, 173 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: the mob turns on them and you can see their 174 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: faces just kind of fall and there is a sense 175 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: of like, oh, no, where we've been, We've been found out. Um. 176 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: And they have responded and said that, like, I think 177 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: they said something to the effect of, we only did 178 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: this this one time to protect our reputation, which is 179 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: sort of counterintuitive considering that this like is going to 180 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: wreck their reputation. Um, you know long term. I mean, 181 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: they're obviously not going to be able to enter any 182 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: more efficient competitions like this, you know, for a very 183 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: long time. If ever, I'm sure they'll be barred, you know, 184 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: if there's some sort of governing body of these type 185 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,599 Speaker 1: of events. But it has been turned over to the 186 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: local or the regional Department of Natural Resources the Ohio 187 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: Department of Natural Resources for investigation. But this could potentially 188 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: come with, if not massive fines and and and having 189 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: to pay back the more than three hundred thousand dollars 190 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: these guys have won, you know, in their career. Um, 191 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: But it couldn't involve some jail time guys. I want 192 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: to present an alternative theory. I'm studying these supposed weights 193 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: that were in these fish. Guys, these eggs as as 194 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: you described them, know, I agree, they do look like eggs. 195 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: They look like they're made out of lead or some 196 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: other kind of metal. I propose as these fish are 197 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: taken out of Lake Erie, the place that we know 198 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: has been polluted a lot over time, all the Great Lakes, 199 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: There's all kinds of nasty pollution going on over there, 200 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: this is just natural lead depositing occurring in the fish 201 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: of Lake Erie. That certainly, that certainly is something that 202 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: could be said if it was only like one fish, 203 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: if they could have gone away, like there's this weird 204 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: stacking the deck. You know, you gotta have like a 205 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: sort of a game plan for how to explain it 206 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: if you do get caught. But again, if I'm not mistaken, 207 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 1: it was in other other fish that they had in 208 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: their hall as well. In addition, the funniest thing about 209 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: it they were they weren't the weights weren't enough. They 210 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: were they were loading them with filets of the same fish, 211 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: hoping people wouldn't notice, like, oh, look they're prey, they're 212 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: prefilid fish. Doctor, This all looks fine to me. Also, 213 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: if they had lead poisoning. Uh, this is just an 214 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: excuse to talk about the lead poisoning theory. If they 215 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: had lead poisoning, wouldn't their behavior be a little bit different. 216 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: I'm just now in my head, I'm thinking of like 217 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: serial killer fish. But I guess some species of fish 218 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: by nature have to be serial killers to surround and 219 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: they could have, you know, and they could have cleverly 220 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: pivoted and made it an environmental concern. What we were 221 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: should be talking about here is the lead content of 222 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: lake erie. You know. The stuff's like it's like all 223 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: it's so it's so lousy with lead. The stuff is 224 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: like big giant balls eggs. See first, Because I think 225 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: we've got some home run ideas here. Um. The number 226 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: one idea, of course is don't cheat at games, you 227 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Unless there's a mafios so forcing 228 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: you to do so, like in the old days of boxing. Yeah, 229 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: like your your family is you know, being threatened or 230 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: something like that. But otherwise, you know, I think the 231 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: cleverest idea we've stumbled on is to just if we 232 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: don't know how many people listening are cheating competitive fisher folk, 233 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: please stop cheating if you can before you get caught. 234 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: But if you do get caught, and you get caught 235 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: in this manner, I think we have a pretty cool idea. 236 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: Just tell us if this works. Say, hey, we wanted 237 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: to be caught because this is a protest and this 238 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: is the only way we would get you to listen 239 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: to us, because we know you'll ignore the memes on 240 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: Facebook and we're donating all our winnings to you know, 241 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: conservation like that was it was all. It's all. It's 242 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: all a finger in the eye of big fish, not 243 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: like like you know what I'm saying, guys, There's only 244 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: one game that I wish I could cheat at, and 245 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: that is Fortnite. Have you guys ever tried to play 246 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: Fortnite against these kids? Because I get sniped when I 247 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: walk out, you know, of my bungalow or whatever. I mean, 248 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's it's demoralizing, it's I don't even 249 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: bother with any of those competitive shooter games. I watched 250 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: no play at one time, I think, and I enjoyed 251 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: the spectacle, but it's I don't know. Fortnite is one 252 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: of those games. Many games are this way where you 253 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: reach this you have to reach a certain level of 254 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: skill to really enjoy yourself. You know, you know, it 255 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: reminds me of uh playing pool with kids who grow 256 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: up with a pool table. You know, they just had 257 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: more of an opportunity. You shouldn't beat yourself up, Matt, 258 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: because you know, you have a job, you got bills 259 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,119 Speaker 1: and off. You just can't wake up and play Fortnite 260 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: twelve hours a day. But if you were in the 261 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: metaverse and Fortnite you can. You can hang out with us. Yeah, 262 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: that's true. I mean, you know, I've been playing Mario 263 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: Kart eight since the wei U version, and I can 264 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: barely hold my own against these international kids that play 265 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: you know online. Um, I very rarely will get the 266 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: first place, but I can usually get in the top five. 267 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: And if I get in the top five, then I 268 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: feel like I've done a good job. But I mean 269 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: even that is brutal. If you're like Mario Kart Nube 270 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: and you try to go head to head with these 271 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: folks that are playing online, you will get red shelled 272 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: into oblivion. Can I I want to brag about something 273 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: real quick, which I rarely bragg, But for a while there, 274 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: I was super nasty at teching, Like I was at 275 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: the point where I could feasibly have gone into a 276 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: real kind of competition. Uh, and I put it down 277 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: because it was just too stress full to play online, 278 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. The stakes were high. I 279 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: had a reputation to uphold. You lose points when you 280 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: lose the match. Also, you know, thank goodness we saw 281 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: the podcasting gig. But if that doesn't work out for us, 282 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: I'm thinking Mario Kart Noel Fortnite, Matt no no no. 283 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 1: I literally brought that up so I can say, Hey, 284 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: make sure to search I heart Land in Fortnite and 285 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: see our live show that's gonna be happening there sometime 286 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: in October. I'm not exactly sure when, but it's happening. 287 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: Search I heart Land. You can visit it. It's a 288 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,719 Speaker 1: real place you can go to well, it's a virtual 289 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: place you can go to in Fortnite. You can also 290 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: visit I Heartland and Roadblocks will also be doing a 291 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: live show there or a virtual show film before a 292 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: live studio audience. There. You go sort of were there 293 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: were there, there were, there were people there, and just 294 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: last thing. Um, I think it's interesting in competitive gaming, Um, 295 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: how to your point bend. You lose points if you 296 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: lose the match. That's to your like cumulative kind of 297 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: like online ranking. I guess it's not really a top 298 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: ten thing. It's more of a score and that is 299 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: in Mario Kart as well, and that's also in chess. 300 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: It has to do with like how many you know, 301 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: ranked matches you've played, and then you get a number 302 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: that you can then present to someone so they know 303 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: that you're legit and you've actually put the time in. 304 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: I don't know what the equivalent of that is in 305 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: competitive fishing, but um, I do find that interesting in 306 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: an interesting way of kind of keeping track of you know, 307 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: who's who's you know, at the top of their game. 308 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: But I'm sure we will hear more about this scandal 309 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: see what the fate of these two gentlemen might be 310 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: in the meantime, we're gonna take a quick break. Here 311 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor um, which is Bass Pro Shop. Potentially, 312 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: probably not, and then we'll be back with more strange news. 313 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: Then we're back and we are traveling to lovely Stockton, California. Guys, 314 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: have you ever been to Stockton, California? Oh? Really, tell 315 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: me about Stockton. What do you do in Stockton? Well, 316 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: at the time, I was probably mainly concerned with reading 317 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: whatever book my parents let me take on the road trip. 318 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: I wasn't I wasn't I wasn't a Stockton man. I 319 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: was we Stockton Tyke. Imagine it's a place where you 320 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: can take stock of your life, tons of perhaps I 321 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: don't know. Oh yes, very nice, very nice. So, guys, 322 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: if you don't know where Stockton is, if you're looking 323 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: on a map at San Francisco, then you head east 324 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: for just a just a ways you'll hit Stockton if 325 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: you head east and maybe a little north. And if 326 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: you're in Sacramento and you head south, you can find 327 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: Stockton Um seems like a great place. A bunch of 328 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: museums there. There's a children's museum that I particularly want 329 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: to check out one day with my son. Uh, Well, 330 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: in Stockton, they're having a little bit of a problem. Guys. 331 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: There may be a serial killer, an active serial killer, 332 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: operating out of Stockton, California. And we're talking about this 333 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: year as well as last year when this person may 334 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: have been active. There are a lot of caveats here, 335 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: There are a lot of questions, but I want to 336 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: get every give everyone the information, and I want to 337 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: talk to you guys about it, just to see what 338 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: we're thinking right now. So there was a press conference 339 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: that occurred just yesterday as we record this, on October four, Tuesday, 340 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: where the Stockton Police Department as well as city officials 341 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: they're in Stockton, gave as much information as they possibly 342 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: could about a series of homicides that have occurred in 343 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: the city that seemed to be connected. But they're not 344 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: connected to any one individual. They're not connected to anyone's suspect. 345 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: They're connected through ballistics. As we talked about with our 346 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: shot spot or segment last week. Uh. One of the 347 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: main ways that this whole case is a case and 348 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: not just individual homicides is that it appears to be 349 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: the same gun, or it's thought to be the same 350 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: gun that was used in all five hommie. I believe 351 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: it's six homicides now plus one attempted homicide. But then 352 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: there are they're actually five people in Stockton that were killed. 353 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: There's one in Oakland, and there was an attempted homicide 354 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: in Stockton. This very strange stuff, and I just want 355 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: to give you guys some of the specifics and then 356 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: let's discuss um. It's reporting out of NBC News by 357 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: Antonio Polanis and Dennis Romero, titled what we Know about 358 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 1: the victims of the possible serial killer in Stockton, California, 359 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: was published October four. Uh. They say an unidentified person 360 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: was recorded on grainy security video that could be either 361 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: a witness, suspect, possibly just a person of interest, somebody 362 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: that no matter who they are, the Stockton Police Department 363 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: wants to talk to them. And there's been a call 364 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: by news agencies to watch this specific video and you know, 365 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: see if you know anything, especially if you live in 366 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: California or in the Stockton area. UM, there are these 367 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: two shootings that I mentioned from. One was a victim 368 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: who survived, the only female victim in this entire case. 369 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: She survived after this unidentified person shot her and then 370 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: she rushed at the attacker and he put his gun 371 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: down and left. Predominantly, these victims have been male. They 372 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: have been Hispanic, except for one victim who self identified 373 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: as white. They are I think the median age, according 374 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,719 Speaker 1: to that press conferences, around thirty four, but it ranges 375 00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: in the mid twenties to the fifties. Uh gosh, Ben, 376 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: I thought about you with this because most of these 377 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: guys were on night walks of some sort, just alone 378 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: in a place that doesn't have a lot of cameras. 379 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: They seem to be moments of opportunity forever for whoever 380 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: this killer is. Like, they just found them, you know, 381 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: doing their thing alone at night, and then he shot them. 382 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: I have a rock solid alibi. Man. Oh no, that's 383 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: not what I'm That's not what I mean. I met 384 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about just because we do that. 385 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: I think the three of us do that sometimes when 386 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: we're in a different city. We just like to go 387 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: walk in and check out what the place is like 388 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: at night. It's cool, it's interesting and yeah, and perhaps 389 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: this is what these guys were doing, and they were 390 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: found by this suspect. Maybe this suspect. But let's say 391 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: they were found by whoever this person is that has 392 00:23:55,160 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: this particular gun, right unless the gun itself is travel around, right, 393 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: which is ridiculous, but it is you know, a possibility 394 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: that the gun was either taken or sold, right, and 395 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: then it moved somewhere else, like to Oakland, and that's 396 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: where another where it was used again because as that 397 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: dormancy period that they mentioned in in the Guardian Guardian 398 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: article ascent, which is um over four hundred days right 399 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: from April. Yes, it was a days something crazy huge 400 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: number of days between the shootings and the two shootings. 401 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: But again the ballistics appear to match. So somebody took 402 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: a long time off. Then the cooling off period got 403 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: shortened again. So let me give you the dates that 404 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: will help us understand the timeline. Here, this comes from 405 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: East County Today. That's East County Today dot net Um. 406 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: Here we go. April, there's a shooting death of a 407 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: forty year old Hispanic man in Oakland, California. Okay, so 408 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: this is the only shooting that's a part of this 409 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: whole series that occurs in Oakland, California. Just six days later, 410 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: on April, there was a shooting of a forty six 411 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: year old black woman at Park Street and Union Street 412 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: in Stockton. This is the survivor. This is the woman 413 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: who's right her injuries and was able to just get 414 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: the man to stop shooting. And she again the only 415 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: female victim in this story. Then you move all the 416 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: way from April to July. That's when a thirty five 417 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: year old black man is shot August eleven. The next 418 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: month almost you know, exactly a month later, shooting death 419 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: of forty three year old Hispanic man. Jump to the 420 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: end of that month August shooting death of a twenty 421 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: one year old Hispanic man, September twenty one shooting death 422 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: of fifty two year old Hispanic man, and then just 423 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: six days later after that shooting death of a fifty 424 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: four year old Hispanding man. So you can tell like 425 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: towards the end there. In our studies of serial killers, 426 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: we've learned as these cooling off periods shorten, that's when 427 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: you're in the really dangerous territory. The authorities have described 428 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: it as someone quote on a mission or you know, 429 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: as we've seen in patterns of other serial murderers, Uh, 430 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: there may be an escalating psychological deterioration. This may be 431 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: part of the spiral, which happens because those in many cases, 432 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: those dormant periods, those cooling off intervals, start to shorten. 433 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: Just as you're describing, it's actually it's kind of unusual 434 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: for someone to come back after a very long time. 435 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: They usually will at that mental state, they will usually 436 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: get sloppy. They will often be arrested or detained for 437 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: another crime and then get contacted like they're the Dennis 438 00:26:54,760 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: Radars of the world. Are incredibly rare. Two be are 439 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: meant that long and then to go active again. It's 440 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: it's much more likely that someone will crash and burn. 441 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: And we have to point out, as we've done in 442 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: every serial Killer episode over the years, we have to 443 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: point out that we're working with a radically imperfect sample 444 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: size because for the most part, we know about the 445 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: people who got caught. Oh god, I know, speaking of 446 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: this person that maybe the suspect or just you know, 447 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: someone that should be interviewed. The video, yeah, the well, 448 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: the video you can watch of somebody who was there 449 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: near one of the crime scenes, was wearing all black, 450 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: had a black cap on, walking at night, you know, 451 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: not the best for visibility. If you don't want to 452 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: get hit by a car. Uh. Seems like a good 453 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: move if you want to be hidden or keep yourself hidden. Uh. 454 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: This person, as the police chief points out there in Stockton, 455 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: this person has a very upright gate. The way they walk, 456 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: in the way their posture is the gates a little strange, 457 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: but they're extremely upright when they're walking. Just something I 458 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: don't know, but you're on the lookout for. I'd recommend 459 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: watching the video if you live in the area, just 460 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: to be on the lookout if you're hanging out at 461 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: night somewhere. Oh and also if you do recognize this 462 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: person or you hear something, there's an incentive here. There 463 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: is a reward being offered right now of a hundred 464 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: and twenty five thousand dollars by the City of Stockton 465 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,479 Speaker 1: and the police department and several other groups that are 466 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: coming together to offer money. That's really all I have 467 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: to bring the table, guys. It's ongoing. Information is actively 468 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: being put out by Stockton Police Department and city officials 469 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: like every day basically as this has been going on. 470 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: So keep a lookout, check your news feeds, um, and 471 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: let's let's see what happens, because there's a possibility if 472 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: this person started in Oakland potentially and then moved into Stockton, 473 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: they might move away in Stockton as the heat is 474 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: turned up in that area. I mean, that would be 475 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: the smart thing to do. I guess that's it. We're 476 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: gonna keep looking, keep watching. We'll be right back with 477 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: more strange news. And we have returned. One thing we 478 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: should add there is do check out our series on 479 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: Uncaught serial Killers. Unfortunately, every year or so we find 480 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: new cases and we have to add to that series. 481 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: So let us know if there's something in your neck 482 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: of the Global Woods that you suspect to be the 483 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: work of an uncaught serial killer. We're not gonna end 484 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: with serial killers. It's true, folks, we do. We do 485 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of show shaping right before we hop 486 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: on the air, and we want to make sure that 487 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: we end with things that are either um globally important 488 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: or things that are not super depressident scary. Right, even 489 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: though Halloween is our favorite season. UH, this may not 490 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: be globally important, but there's an interesting argument I want 491 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: to share share with the class. UH. I recently learned 492 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: that the Biden administration here in the United States has 493 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: appointed a new ambassador Monica Medina. Monica Medina is not 494 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: an ambassador for a specific country. Is not like you 495 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: in goodwill ambassador such as you know, Angelina Jolie or 496 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: in search celebrity here. Uh, Monica Medina is also not them, 497 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: not an ambassador of a faith or a belief system. Instead, 498 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: Ambassador of Medina represents plants and animals. Uh, this is 499 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: a true story. The State Department has created this new position, 500 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: special Envoy for Biodiversity and Water Resources, and Medina now 501 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: is kind of in a lorax position. You guys, remember 502 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: the low X speak mustachioed guy that liked that was, 503 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: you know, yeah speak for the trees. Yeah. Now now 504 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: there is officially someone who does that for the United States. Now, 505 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: first things first before we move on. Just like, I 506 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: don't want to color your judgments at all yet. Uh, 507 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: when you hear this, does it sound like a real 508 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: thing or does it sound like a pr move or both? 509 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: I hope it's a real thing. I mean I tend 510 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: to lean towards both in most situations. I like to 511 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: think that someone's got a good head on their shoulders 512 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: and UH is thinking about the right things and and 513 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: doing right by you know, um, the folks out there. 514 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: But then I also think, yeah, there's a whole other 515 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: department that that we'll look at like this, and me like, yeah, 516 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: we can make this, we can make this like a 517 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: stunt kind of situation, because I was randomly this morning 518 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: was thinking about the national Advisors for the President, like 519 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: all the people in the cabinet, all the people that 520 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: exist there in the President's here at all times, where 521 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: all the various things the president has to think about, 522 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: And I think having this, if this person, this ambassador 523 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: is actually serving in a way that is give like 524 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: that her services giving pretty consistent updates on and advisement 525 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: on what needs to be done to protect water water 526 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: services or what what was it? Water resources? Yes, if 527 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: she's consistently giving information and updates, I think this is awesome. 528 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: I don't care if it's a PR stunt. I guess yes, please, 529 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: well it's more likely to uh. I agree with you. 530 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: It does feel substantive and we all want there to 531 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: be good guys right somewhere amid the chaos. Without having 532 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: met the new ambassador, I can say this seems less 533 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: of a case of shiny PR and greenwashing and unfortunately 534 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: more of a case of nepotism, because before she was 535 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: known for being this ambassador speaking for the plants and 536 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: the trees. Uh, she was best known as the wife 537 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: of White House Chief of Staff Ronald Klein. So how 538 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: did she get the job where there are other candidates? 539 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: I mean, nepotism is a real thing. It's terrible for society, 540 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: and it's, you know, one of the huge stumbling blocks 541 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: of civilization. But that nepotism doesn't necessarily mean she's unqualified 542 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: for this job because this job hadn't existed before. And 543 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: they sound like they have real plans. The department is 544 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: going to crack down on nature crime, illegal mining, and logging. Uh. 545 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: They're trying to clean up water systems. If you listen 546 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: to our sort of reporting on places like Jackson, Mississippi, 547 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: or earlier reporting on Flint, Michigan, you know that the 548 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: nation's water supply needs all the help it can get. 549 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: They're also trying to promote biodiversity and water a water 550 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: security plan for the White House World War three. I'm 551 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: telling you, I mean, if they're not you know, it 552 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: reminds me of the idea of like technology that's being 553 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,720 Speaker 1: worked on behind closed doors that we're not aware of Yet, 554 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: one would hope that, even if we're not aware of 555 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: some big initiative that is, some sort of big PR 556 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: greenwashing thing, that the folks in charge at some level 557 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: are thinking about the fact that we will potentially end 558 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: up in a gnarly mad Max water war kind of 559 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: situation and hopefully laying the groundwork to make it not 560 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: quite so dire. Although I somehow also kind of could 561 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: believe they're not doing that, and they're more if they are, 562 00:34:54,600 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: they're only worried about certain folks. Yeah, agreed. Two. Overall, 563 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 1: I think we can say this is hopefully a good thing, 564 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: right overall. At the very worst, it might be a 565 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: PR stunt to shore up some kind of aspect of 566 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: election numbers right or potential voters. But still it's better 567 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: than nothing unless there's an ulterior motive here, and I 568 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: may have found it, I don't know. I want to 569 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: pitch this to everyone, tell us what you think. Three 570 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,240 Speaker 1: std w y t k uh conspiracy at iHeart radio 571 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: dot com all the hits. Around the same time I 572 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: learned about this new envoy position, this diplomat, this ambassador 573 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: for the natural world, I also learned that house plants 574 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: are armed now house plants. Uh can now wield machetes. 575 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 1: Shout out to Robert Evans causes we're talking about theculus 576 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 1: philo dendro. There is a house plant whose nickname is Phil. 577 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: By the way, code named Doc would love this because 578 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: she she loves plants. Right this chlorophil short prophilo dendron, 579 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: so but chlorophilled to his friends. I like that. Uh. 580 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: There's an artist named David Bowen. It was very very interesting, 581 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: brilliant dude. He works primarily with robotics, and in cooperation 582 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: with a team of scientists, he decided to, you know, 583 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: take his buddy Phil and make him harder, faster, stronger, 584 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just like the A song. 585 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 1: But uh, let's go into this. You can right now, folks. 586 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: You can see the video of the house plant being 587 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: a plant that has a robotic arm attached to it 588 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:57,280 Speaker 1: that's just sort of haphazardly swinging a machete. Uh this Uh, 589 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: here's what they did. So there's an open source um 590 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: integrated circuit, a micro controller, and it gets electrical impulses 591 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 1: from the plant. In a previous episode, when we asked 592 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 1: whether plants have intelligence or sentient you know, we got 593 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: caught up in the philosophical quandary of sentience. But what 594 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: they're doing is treating the plant the way a person 595 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: is treated in an E E G. Application, the electrical 596 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: impulses that like the tech that is used to check 597 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: on your heart rate, right, or your beep beep beep 598 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: stuff in the in every hospital. So these things are 599 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: applied to the plants leaves. And when I thought you 600 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: were glitching with your beeps just then that I was like, wait, 601 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: what how many? Sorry? This is a behind the curtain thing. 602 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: I feel, Hey, I think I might just be losing 603 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: my minder. Is it E K G E E E G? 604 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: What is it? What is that? Is it? E? There's 605 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: there's e G is something and e KG is something? Right? Yes, 606 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: So this technology is first off, it's it's amazing. It 607 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: saved a lot of lives in the human world. Uh, 608 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 1: and now it is being used to arm house plants. 609 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 1: Initial questions, Uh, does does Phil know what he's doing? 610 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: Not really. He's kind of like if you ever had 611 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: a drunk uncle who is you know, gets gets a 612 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: few drinks in on the afternoon and says, I don't know, 613 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: let's launch some fireworks. Phil has about that level of 614 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 1: of of planning. So, uh, we don't know like it's 615 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: a it's a random result of these impulses. So it's 616 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: not as though it would be would be amazing and 617 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: terrified if the plant, for instance, was trying to swat 618 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: at a fly or a bird, right, But it's just 619 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: sort of vibe, you know, it's just kind of at 620 00:38:55,080 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: a big knife party, and startlingly enough, this is the 621 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: first time that people have tried something like this in 622 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: terms of cyborg plants. That's what this is. This is 623 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: a cyborg plant. So here's my theory. You guys, what 624 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: if the White House has created this ambassador for plants 625 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: and the natural world because they know what's on the 626 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 1: horizon with plant droids a word I made up. I 627 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: think you're right. It's easier than I expected. Um, it 628 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,919 Speaker 1: doesn't make me wonder what would happen if you took 629 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,879 Speaker 1: like a my celial network and through a series of 630 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: tubes kind of like this robotic arm is these You 631 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: know how I feel about the my celial networks. I mean, 632 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: it is such a complex system and it just exists 633 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,879 Speaker 1: without it does it need us to exist? And in 634 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: many ways kind of mimics the way you know, synapses 635 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: and brain kind of chemistry operates, and the fact that 636 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 1: we think we're so special and you know, we're imbued 637 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: with these mystical powers of reasoning and you know brain function. Uh, 638 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: look to the mushroom Kingdom to see that. You know, 639 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: they've had it figured out long before we were a thing. 640 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: Also again yeah, I've thought about this for decades as well. Again. Uh, 641 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: my number one pick for an organic extraterrestrial intelligence visiting 642 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: Earth is somewhere in the world of fungus. Uh. And 643 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: I use my cologists and my college she a lot 644 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: in horror stories. It's just such a god to you 645 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's a staple of good horror, 646 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 1: like how you should always have some olive oil in 647 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 1: your kitchen. Uh. Well, it's it's like those ones, those 648 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: like fruited bodies or whatever, those things that like make 649 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,439 Speaker 1: ants do crazy stuff. I'm actually i'm reading this right now. 650 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,280 Speaker 1: I'm reading exactly. I'm reading this book right now called 651 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: a Disappearance at Devil's Rock, and um highly recommend checking 652 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,479 Speaker 1: it out and don't read anything about it. But there's 653 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 1: some talk about zombie stuff and I haven't gotten to 654 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: any place where I know really where it's going. But um, 655 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: there's a character in it that's obsessed with this idea 656 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 1: of that particular court aceps, I think is what it's called, 657 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 1: the one that like causes these brain extrusions and ants 658 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 1: and makes them act against their nature, act against their 659 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: their their own self preservation. That's really fascinating stuff, you know, 660 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: just like how owls and corvids are in an unending 661 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:35,359 Speaker 1: millennia old war. Uh, those species of ants and the 662 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: species of fungus that um prey upon them are also 663 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: in their their own kind of arms race. It's very 664 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: difficult for the humble court aceps because once you have 665 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 1: infested the ants, you've gained control of the host. The 666 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: other ants in that community are already hip to it, 667 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: and what they'll do to prevent the spread is they'll 668 00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: in a very real way sort of cauterize the wound 669 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 1: in their society to other ants, and this is a 670 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: true story to other ants. When will take the third 671 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: infected ant and forcibly carry it away from the you know, 672 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,359 Speaker 1: from the community, from the ant hill, knowing that those 673 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: two know that they're going to die, they will stay 674 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,879 Speaker 1: and detain the thing and die so that it when 675 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: it bursts, it doesn't infect other ants. It's nuts ants alone, 676 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 1: and uh ants and their wars with fungus, their allies 677 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: in the fungus world. It's amazing. Also shout out with 678 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: slime mold. And we're in different, slightly different thing here 679 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 1: that If you want to see how crazy, intelligent and 680 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: incomprehensible some of these life forms are, just check out. 681 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: I think you just have to check out on your 682 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,240 Speaker 1: search engine of choice. Go just put in the words 683 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: Tokyo train map, slime mold, and what you'll see is 684 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 1: that slime mold formed a very strange, eerily accurate representation 685 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,359 Speaker 1: of the Tokyo subway and railway system on its own, 686 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: just figuring out the most efficient way to tramp the information. Yeah, 687 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,240 Speaker 1: and nutrients so it knows what it's doing it. Yeah, 688 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: and now uh now we've got plants with machette's. So 689 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 1: how far has it gone if this is the public knowledge? Right? 690 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 1: And how I proposed that we talked a little bit 691 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: about suppressed technology. How far are the plants long really 692 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 1: be nice to your house plants? You know what I mean? 693 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,880 Speaker 1: One day they may be strapped. I would talk about 694 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,359 Speaker 1: this forever, But we've got to call it a day. 695 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,759 Speaker 1: We cannot wait to hear from you. Uh, do you know? 696 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: I was surprised by how many people have pretty passionate 697 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: perspectives on the nature sentience right. Shout out to naughty 698 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,359 Speaker 1: for what is a fact on the idea of whether 699 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,240 Speaker 1: or not plants or life forms from the fungus world 700 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 1: are should be considered sentient or thinking or feeling? Uh? 701 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: And how we define? What that tells us about how 702 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 1: humans define themselves. You can't wait to hear your thoughts. 703 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: Tell us about your plant experiments. Stay safe out there 704 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: in the Oakland Stockton area. And for Pete's sake, if 705 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: you're if you're a competitive fisher person, don't put just 706 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,279 Speaker 1: don't do it. Don't do it, all right, but there's 707 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,799 Speaker 1: not like there's not enough lead or mercury content in 708 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: the water already. You really need to shove it in 709 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:43,240 Speaker 1: there for your own ill gotten benefit. Shame on you. Yes, there, 710 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,840 Speaker 1: just put the stuff that all these people are putting 711 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,239 Speaker 1: it into their lips and butts whatever that filler, Yeah, 712 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 1: put that in there. Why would you do Why would 713 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: why would you do that? Nobody fine? That Shoot, that's 714 00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 1: that's Wow, Matt, you're a real monster. You're an evil 715 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: genius of sorts. My goodness, you should get a job 716 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: consulting for villains. I love this. Yeah, but how what 717 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,240 Speaker 1: how does that affect the fishes sense of worth and esteem? 718 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I don't want to make 719 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,439 Speaker 1: a fish feel body shamed. To be fair, I would 720 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,200 Speaker 1: argue the fish. The fisher people don't particularly care about 721 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 1: the fish's sense of worth. They're they're literally tempting them. 722 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,240 Speaker 1: They're tempting them with you know, goodies and then shoving 723 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 1: hooks into their faces and then you know, gutting them. 724 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: It's a secret protest again telling you we don't have 725 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 1: degrees in public relations, but we read a lot of 726 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,479 Speaker 1: Burnett's so I'd like to think that I just don't. 727 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if I buy it, 728 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: But it's it's a fun idea. It would you know 729 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,439 Speaker 1: what it would be though? It would be a good 730 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,440 Speaker 1: fodder for a short piece of short fiction. Well, we're 731 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,399 Speaker 1: off to the races. I do wanna again shout out 732 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 1: David Bowen. Uh. He has done some amazing stuff, and 733 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: do do check out his vimeo clip where you can 734 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 1: see Phil himself or itself attached to a wall with 735 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,239 Speaker 1: its robo arm just kind of machetting across the air. 736 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,879 Speaker 1: You can also learn more about David Bowen's work by 737 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,719 Speaker 1: checking out his previous installations. In one, I thought you 738 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 1: you guys find this particularly interesting. I want to get 739 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: your take. In one, uh a hundred live house flies, 740 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: we're all like linked up together by this guy by 741 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:31,320 Speaker 1: Bowen to control a router that carved up a piece 742 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,280 Speaker 1: of foam. Like is that a guy like an analog 743 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 1: three D printer? Kind of you know that part? I'm 744 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: still not clear. I just want to hear what David 745 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,839 Speaker 1: has coming up next, and we want to hear what 746 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: you have on your mind. Now you can tell us 747 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,799 Speaker 1: about so, whether you are a human, a creature of 748 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: the night, or a plant that has mastered the keyboard. 749 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,480 Speaker 1: We wanted to be easy for you to find us online. 750 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 1: We do and we tend to be that thing. You 751 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,640 Speaker 1: can find us on face book, on Twitter, and on 752 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,799 Speaker 1: YouTube at the handle conspiracy stuff on Instagram where conspiracy 753 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 1: Stuff show. If you like to read, you can find stuff. 754 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,880 Speaker 1: They don't want you to know. The book, not the 755 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: British one, our one. You'll know the difference. It has 756 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,160 Speaker 1: Ben Boland's name on the front and Matt Frederick and 757 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,360 Speaker 1: Noel Brown. And you can buy it if you're hearing 758 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 1: this on the day comes out tomorrow is the day, 759 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,640 Speaker 1: October eleven, the book shall be released onto the world. 760 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,320 Speaker 1: About that. You can also get it as an audio 761 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: book if you want. And that's a fun experience because 762 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,640 Speaker 1: you get to hear Ben, Matt and myself read to you. 763 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,280 Speaker 1: It can be like a bedtime stories kind of situation 764 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,480 Speaker 1: if you wish are dulcet tones will will lull you 765 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:49,319 Speaker 1: to sleep with with esoteric facts about conspiracies, both real 766 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,400 Speaker 1: and imagined. And if you have thoughts about these things. 767 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,840 Speaker 1: If you if you are a plant who is not 768 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,720 Speaker 1: connected to a keyboard but does have access to a phone, 769 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,880 Speaker 1: or a human you know all the welcome then you 770 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,600 Speaker 1: can give us a call. Say it with us. We 771 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,799 Speaker 1: are one eight three three st d w y t K. 772 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,000 Speaker 1: You will hear a familiar voice and a beep like 773 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 1: so beep that tells you you are in the right place. 774 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,040 Speaker 1: After that beep, you have three minutes. Those three minutes 775 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,719 Speaker 1: of yours go nuts. You don't have to use the 776 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,160 Speaker 1: entire three minutes. We've gotten some great calls where it's 777 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 1: just uh sixty seconds of some amazing, incredible, or sometimes 778 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,560 Speaker 1: hilarious stuff. Most importantly, tell us whether it's okay to 779 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,080 Speaker 1: use your name and or message on air, And even 780 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,279 Speaker 1: more important than most importantly, don't think about that too much. 781 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 1: Don't censor yourself, don't feel like you know, don't beat 782 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,879 Speaker 1: yourself up. If you feel like you have to keep 783 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,760 Speaker 1: calling or something like that, just write us an email, 784 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 1: tell us the story in full, take how ever much 785 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,360 Speaker 1: time you need, give us the links, give us the pictures, 786 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 1: lead us to the edge of the rabbit hole. We 787 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,120 Speaker 1: will do the rest. All you have to do is 788 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,080 Speaker 1: drop us a line at our good old fashioned email 789 00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,000 Speaker 1: address where we are Conspiracy and I Heart Radio duct 790 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:20,880 Speaker 1: Top Stuff They Don't Want You to Know is a 791 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my 792 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,960 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 793 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,880 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.