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Speaker 1: Today's podcast is brought to you by socialism. Okay, this

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Speaker 1: one not for profit. This a free regular podcast. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're not own the means to production as capitalists in America?

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Speaker 1: All right, Parently, individual people are capitalists now, all right?

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Speaker 1: All right? Forget how much money make you a capitalist?

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Speaker 1: Does anybody know the right amount? Whatever they decide? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I just want to know. Is it one million, ten million?

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Speaker 1: It could be one hundred twenty million. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what their number is, but you made money. That's automatical.

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Speaker 1: My whole playlist is money wraps. So I feel like,

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Speaker 1: I like, if I'm not a capitalist, I feel like

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Speaker 2: I get a paycheck every day, Yes, I am a capitalist.

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Speaker 2: My paycheck comes from somebody that's a capitalist. They pay me.

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Speaker 2: Is the director prizes? Or why I benefit from this

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Speaker 1: So I don't I feel like I'm not good enough

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Speaker 1: at it to be called a capitalist. I think if

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Speaker 1: I think if we just like regular people that get paidchecks,

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Speaker 1: so you still like depending on you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: profiting off of somebody, somebody.

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Speaker 2: Somewhere, it's it's it's somebody somewhere that's prop that that

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Speaker 2: when you get your paycheck your company, it directly and directed.

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Speaker 2: It is profiting off of somebody's child label, somebody's slavery.

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Speaker 2: So the way I feel like, I mean, maybe I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm you know what, you know what, you know what?

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Speaker 2: you live in America, you are part of a capitalist system.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody is that lives here. But I want to

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Speaker 1: know what you have to do to attain the individual

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Speaker 1: moniker of capitalists, you know what I mean? Because apparently

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Speaker 1: don't know if I have any woke socialist rap, or

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Speaker 2: And even if you ain't rapping about make that money,

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Speaker 1: And that's what capitalist has become. Like. It is a

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Speaker 2: And you quote unquote for some reason, scheme and on

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Speaker 1: And then like when does that count? Like cause when

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Speaker 2: And also I feel like this there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: you being a capitalist? You not Actually, whenever the tide

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Speaker 1: We always say, pay people, you know, pay people what

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Speaker 1: I attribute all this to like white supremacy just fucking

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Speaker 1: and you know, helping Marside Martin, you know, now Easter

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Speaker 2: Right, It's you know, it's more instead of well, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: Want the same things. Yeah, well, you know, tactics. Even

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Speaker 1: and I'm not going to pick your aside necessarily. I

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Speaker 1: just will support both of y'all. And if you know,

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Speaker 1: if that were and I'm not saying jay Z is

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Speaker 1: Frederick Douglas by the way, no, no, no, no no. So

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Speaker 1: somebody writes up here with some bullshit, you will get

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Speaker 1: cused out. I'm only saying, like the idea of multiple

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Speaker 1: ways to to try to get after something seems to

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Speaker 1: have seems I guess, in the immediacy of it and

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Speaker 1: the passion of it seems to go out the window

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Speaker 1: that there's more than one way, because, like I said,

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Speaker 1: not talking about a bunch of broke dudes, broke people, right.

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Speaker 2: And we were still kind of talking around the car

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Speaker 2: yesterday and now so too. I think that everybody has

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Speaker 2: to have a hot take. And the thing is about

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Speaker 2: hot takes. Sometimes hot takes are so hot they get

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Speaker 2: you burnt, but nobody ever wants to talk about how

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Speaker 2: they got burnt.

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Speaker 1: Everybody wants to, you know, put they put their own

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Speaker 1: fire out from their hot takes.

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Speaker 2: And act like they never set the motherfucker kitchen on

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Speaker 2: fire and keep it pushing, you know. And also that's

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Speaker 2: another reason why I thinks are so black and white

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Speaker 2: when it comes to this shit, because sometimes when shit

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Speaker 2: come out, sometimes we have to think about it. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: you have to process it. Sometimes you have to look

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Speaker 2: up and look at the picture in its entirety. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: you have to look at the history and guess what

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Speaker 2: that takes motherfucking time, and not no line, you ain't

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Speaker 2: got time for time?

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Speaker 1: Who got time for time?

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Speaker 2: When all the hot tweets is going out there and

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Speaker 2: everybody getting retweeted.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like we should. That's a great point

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Speaker 1: by all that, And I feel like there's so many

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Speaker 1: opportunities lost to have a share of humanity, a share

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Speaker 1: human experience. But because we're so busy crafting these images

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Speaker 1: of flawlessness and of consistent like black and white takes

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Speaker 1: on everything because that is what we do in general

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Speaker 1: as people, and that is what gets rewarded the most.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, you end up with like more

468
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Speaker 1: admonishment instead of like, instead of empathy. You know, I

469
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Speaker 1: was actually reading this piece in the New York Times

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Speaker 1: a day that I thought it was like right on

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Speaker 1: time and also just something I've been thinking about for

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Speaker 1: a long time. It's why, you know, I talk about

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Speaker 1: things a lot differently on the show. I talk about

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Speaker 1: things a lot differently on my social media when I

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Speaker 1: talk about them, because I feel like social media. Social

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Speaker 1: is the big part of social media, right yes, And

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Speaker 1: that group think, that group pressure, that peer pressure, that

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Speaker 1: that even the like even the momentum of commentary where

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Speaker 1: I say something, you add onto a thing, and by

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Speaker 1: the end of it, we're both saying the most like

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Speaker 1: salacious version of whatever the fuck we started. So like

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Speaker 1: like something starts with I don't know about this deal

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Speaker 1: that jay Z made, and by the end we're like

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Speaker 1: this coon as uncle Tom. You know, it was thee

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Speaker 1: it was the house slaves that that did us in.

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Speaker 1: You know, like by the end of it, we're way

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Speaker 1: out to this extreme that we didn't start at. We

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Speaker 1: might have started at. Yeah, I don't think this is

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Speaker 1: a good move, or you know, this is kind of

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Speaker 1: shady what he did to you know, this dude has

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Speaker 1: never been about anything but money, you know, shit like that. Right,

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Speaker 1: So I feel like this article was right on time,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know, like I said, this is something

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Speaker 1: even thinking about, and I was like, we might as

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Speaker 1: well talk about on the show. It's kind of a

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Speaker 1: long article, but we got kind of a long show.

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Speaker 1: We do what we want to do as capitalists. Nobody

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Speaker 1: can stop us because we had a means creating this podcast,

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Speaker 1: and we only employed ourselves. So come on, lets you

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Speaker 1: do power and you plow. You ain't stopping us out

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Speaker 1: here and ourselves as employees, So fuck y'all down with us,

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Speaker 1: Up with us. I'm a black feminist and I think

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Speaker 1: call out culture is toxic. This is by Loretta Ross,

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Speaker 1: who's been in this game for quice some time. She

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Speaker 1: says there are better ways of doing social justice work.

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Speaker 1: She's an expert on women's issues, racism, and human rights.

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Speaker 1: She's a founder of the reproductive justice theory. Today's call

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Speaker 1: out culture is so seductive. I often have to resist

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Speaker 1: the overwhelming temptation to clap back at people on social

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Speaker 1: media who get on my nerves. Call Outs happen when

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Speaker 1: people publicly shame each other online, at the office, in classrooms,

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Speaker 1: and anywhere humans have beef with one another. But I

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Speaker 1: believe there are better ways of doing social justice work. Recently,

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Speaker 1: someone lied about me on social media. Yo. That is

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Speaker 1: the fucking words. It's the worst yow. No, I will

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Speaker 1: tell you, I don't know what to tell you. That's

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Speaker 1: the worst feeling. Yeah, And a lot of people have

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Speaker 1: never experienced that, particularly on public platforms, so they don't

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Speaker 1: understand why people respond on the way they do. And

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Speaker 1: they just tell you, well, y'all have just live back.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, motherfucker, they're not lying on your black ass,

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Speaker 2: So you don't have a you don't have skin in

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Speaker 2: the game, so you don't care.

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Speaker 1: Learning to have to watch that and let it go.

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Speaker 1: It's been a big thing for me and it was

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Speaker 1: a big challenge, and you know, I feel like, at

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Speaker 1: least right now that shit is kind of behind me,

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Speaker 1: Like where if I see somebody say some shit that

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Speaker 1: you know it's fucked up or not accurate or just

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Speaker 1: a complete fucking lie about me or whatever. I've gotten

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Speaker 1: to the point now where I'm like, yeah, just mute, block,

532
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: move on, because you have to if you can spend out.

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Speaker 1: They want to get your attention, and they want you

534
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Speaker 1: to feel like it's the goal. They want you to

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Speaker 1: feel like I control reality and I control the way

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Speaker 1: people see you, so I can lie on you. And

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Speaker 1: then you have to deal with this and uh no

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Speaker 1: that's not true. To deal with it and those that care,

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Speaker 1: we'll see you know. It's that funny thing, right People

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Speaker 1: always use this as an insult, but uh, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: use it for something that you never hear or which

542
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Speaker 1: is like a positive affirmation. Right when they say believe

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Speaker 1: people when they show you who you are, show you

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Speaker 1: who they are, you know, like, believe them the first

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00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: time Yeah. That also goes for good shit too, though

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00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,959
Speaker 1: people don't talk about that part because people only use

547
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: that to insult people or to like just basically say

548
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: I always knew you wasn't shit. But yeah, people will

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Speaker 1: believe eventually. People will believe the things you show them anyway,

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Speaker 1: So I just try to make sure I show them

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Speaker 1: the good and show them what I'm about and then

552
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: just let them judge themselves because but that's the feeling,

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00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: the paranoia they relying But yeah, I can relate, is

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00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Trapped. Yeah, and you're giving them power

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00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: by buying it too, Like, let me go back and

556
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: try to fix this narrative and let you guys know

557
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: the real shit, like for what it's.

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Speaker 2: Not going to matter because by that point it's not

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Speaker 2: going to matter. And a lot of times you just

560
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 2: have a big ass fallout on social media and nobody

561
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 2: cares and the only people that actually do care are

562
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Speaker 2: only the about the mess. And then you do have

563
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Speaker 2: people that act care, and those people that care gonna

564
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 2: end up arguing with people, and it just becomes a

565
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Speaker 2: big fucking to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and people gonna believe what they won't believe anyone,

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00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: So right, so nobody's mind's gonna be changed. Yeah, someone

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00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: loud about me on social media and I decided not

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Speaker 1: to reply. Never wrestled with a pig is George Manard

570
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: shar said, you both get dirty, and besides, the pig

571
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Speaker 1: likes it. And one of the best ways to make

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Speaker 1: a point is to ignore someone begging for attention. Thanks

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Speaker 1: Michelle Obama for this timely lesson. Most people who read

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Speaker 1: her book Becoming probably missed that she suddenly through shade

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Speaker 1: this way. Mm hmm. Call outs are often louder and

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Speaker 1: more vicious to on the Internet, and amplified by the

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00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:39,719
Speaker 1: colicktivist culture. That right. I saw that word and was like, Shamela,

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Speaker 1: that's real. I turned into that airplane passed that flew

579
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Speaker 1: off into the sky. Y'all seen that gift? I was like, Oh,

580
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: she's telling I gotta read this whole thing. Clicktaist culture

581
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: that provides anonymity for awful behavior, even incidents that a

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Speaker 1: current real life like barbecue beckyr Patty, can end up

583
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Speaker 1: as at monitor and a monitory meme on social media.

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Speaker 1: Social media offers new ways to be the same old

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Speaker 1: humans by virally exposing what has always been in our hearts,

586
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Speaker 1: good or bad. My experiences were call outs. Beginning in

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Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies. I told you, man, she not new

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Speaker 1: to this, she treated us okay. As a young black

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Speaker 1: feminist activist, I sharply criticized white women for not understanding

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Speaker 1: women of color. I called them out while trying to

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Speaker 1: explain intersectionality and white supremacy. I rarely questioned whether the

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Speaker 1: way I addressed their white privilege was actually counter productive.

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00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: They barely understood what it meant to be white women

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Speaker 1: in the system of white supremacy. Was it realistic to

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Speaker 1: expect them to comprehend the experiences of black women? Fifty

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Speaker 1: years ago, black activists didn't have an Internet, but rather gossip, stubbornness,

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Speaker 1: and youthful humors. We believe we could change the world,

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00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: and that the most powerful people were afraid of us.

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00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: Efforts like the FBI's contail pro projects created a lot

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Speaker 1: of discord. Often the most effective activists were killed or

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Speaker 1: in prison. But it nearly, but it nearly always started

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Speaker 1: with discrediting them through a call out attack. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: several things in there I think are interested. The part

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Speaker 1: about white women which some people are going this is

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Speaker 1: a black feminist talking. Some people are going to hear

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Speaker 1: this is like some type of protection of black white women.

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00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,479
Speaker 1: But this is I truly do believe this about white people.

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Speaker 1: They don't know anything about race. They've been they like

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Speaker 1: black people know because we live in experience. And the

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Speaker 1: only reason we know is because we live this experience,

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Speaker 1: we start seeing the cracks and the lives. White people

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Speaker 1: don't even be looking for the cracks in the lives

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Speaker 1: because they just think this is how it's supposed to

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Speaker 1: be right. They don't think about like my grandparents were

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Speaker 1: probably my great great grandparents probably witnessed a lynching like

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Speaker 1: as a child or an adult, may even have a

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Speaker 1: participated in what now I expect that lineage to hand

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Speaker 1: down to me racial inequality like they supposed to. They

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Speaker 1: supposed to make me be grow up to be a healthy,

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Speaker 1: not racist person when they probably feel like health is

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Speaker 1: being racist. But they don't never use that word. They

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Speaker 1: don't say, hey, I want you to grow up and

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Speaker 1: be racist like me. They would never say that. And

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Speaker 1: they're also feeding and clothing me, you know. And before

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Speaker 1: we can get on our high horses, black people, how

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00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: many of y'all had to unlearn homophobia? How many of

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00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: y'all had to unlearned a lot of misogynistic shit. How

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Speaker 1: many have y'all had to unlearn a lot of rape

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Speaker 1: culture stuff? And still working to. Anytime you're indoctrinated into something,

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Speaker 1: or you have privilege in a certain way, you we

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Speaker 1: have that that that thing within us. And I feel

632
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: like what happens is we go, well, my thing is blackness,

633
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: and I know how it feels to be black, and

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Speaker 1: I'm angry about what the fuck y'all have done to me,

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Speaker 1: and therefore I can have no empathy, I can have

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Speaker 1: no understanding. I just want to feel good by raging

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Speaker 1: out on you. And if I rage I on you,

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Speaker 1: I want to call that something. If I want to

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00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: call that something, I'm gonna call it activism. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: call that a call out. I'm gonna call that accountability.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about how we actually learn. How did

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Speaker 1: you learn? Let's let's talk about school right, learning it

643
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Speaker 1: and learning environment. Let's talk about school. If you said,

644
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: if I sat you down as a listener or whatever,

645
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: I said, hey person, I want you to come up

646
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: with a curriculum and a way to teach kids. I

647
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: don't know the United States history right, How what are

648
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: the techniques you're gonna use, like to teach these kids.

649
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: Are you gonna bring them into class and start yelling

650
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: at them in their face, mocking them, calling them stupid

651
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: for getting shit wrong? Is that going to educate them? Like,

652
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: let's be real about it, because I feel like that's

653
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: the part that's missing in this is like it's like,

654
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: we call this shit education, but it's not. It's us

655
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: get it's a hearted like emptying of the rage and

656
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: the depression and the sadness. Oh, it's all of that

657
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: coming out of us. And we call and then we go,

658
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: You the targeted should have been edified by that. But

659
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: yet we know, as human beings, regardless of how to

660
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: fuck your privilege is set up or any of that,

661
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: most people do not go. And now I have been taught,

662
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: thank you. Most people say fuck you. You came at

663
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: me with anger and rage. I am shutting this down

664
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: and I am retreating into my privilege. And it's a

665
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: cyclical thing that happens over and over and it never stops. Right.

666
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: And the thing is that those feelings, because I've been there,

667
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: those feelings have got to come out, but they have

668
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: got to come out in a more constructive manner, and

669
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: people don't want to hear that, or either you need

670
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: to go to a therapist, psychologists, psychology, psychology, pray about it,

671
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: do whatever you need to do to actually exercise that

672
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: shit out. But yelling got somebody never worried because you individual,

673
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: when somebody has yelled at you, you respond back with

674
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: anger because they came at you with anger, right, And

675
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: I don't even want to say it never works, but

676
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: it definitely has a much lower chance of working, especially

677
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: within strangers, because like, maybe you've learned a lesson because

678
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: like your mom or your dad or somebody closer you

679
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: yelled at you, but that person also like did a

680
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: bunch of other shit the foughts of that relationship, so

681
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: that a moment of outburst might be an educational lesson

682
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: for you in a way that if a stranger just

683
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: started yelling at me on the internet or even on

684
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: the street, I might not pick that up as a lesson.

685
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying That, Yeah, that that's true,

686
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: and because that depends on your personality. But I know

687
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 2: for me, yeah I learned, But for me, you get

688
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 2: to yelling at me, you completely turned me off.

689
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: If I know you or not. I'm like this, I

690
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: feel I'm not knocking that at all care and I

691
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: completely understand. I think that's the vast majority of people.

692
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: I just wanted to leave that cab yet out there

693
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: that there might be a person out here listening right now,

694
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: going I'm gonna write into them and tell them one

695
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: time I got yelled at and it did help me.

696
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying, maybe it does help a few,

697
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't help every We know for a fact, this

698
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: is not a method we would use to teach masses

699
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: of people. It's not the norm, right, It's not the norm.

700
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: And if anything, it makes you feel more pious and

701
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: more saintly because it's like I called you out and

702
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm a better person than you, and that's where it

703
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: really comes from. But we don't want to talk about that,

704
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, because as long as you're calling them out

705
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: for the right buzzword, then it's you're the hero and

706
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: the other person becomes a villain.

707
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: Right And at the end of the day, everything that

708
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: you quote unquote claim that you want to accomplish, you

709
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: never got accomplished, because, like you said, that is that bias,

710
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: where is that we go around the circles. I yell

711
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: at you, you run back to whiteness, and I'm like,

712
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: ha ha, I know you're gonna run back to whiteness.

713
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: Well have you ever thought about changing.

714
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 2: Your approach, Because at the end of the day, if

715
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: you're trying to reach somebody, you're constantly running people off.

716
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: Who are you reaching? Who are you healing? Who are

717
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: you helping? Who are these people that's going back to

718
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: their community? Who are these people just get being enlightened

719
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 1: when everybody's running away from you. Yeah. I also don't

720
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: know any of these activists online that I haven't seen

721
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: called out sincerely by other people and been and I've

722
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: been told or saw people saying not the fuck with them.

723
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: I don't know one of them any like, you can

724
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: just either ignore the shit that said about them or whatever.

725
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: But all of them, I haven't met one of them

726
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: that people haven't been like, Oh, and also fuck her

727
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: because she did blank or he did that or whatever.

728
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: So Yeah, I too have been called out, usually for

729
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: a prejudice I had against someone or for using insensitive

730
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: language that didn't keep up with the rapidly changing conventions

731
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: that's part of everyone's learning curve. But I still felt hurt, embarrassed,

732
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: and defensive. Fortunately, patient elders helped me grow through my

733
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: discomfort and appreciate that context, intentions, and nuances matter. Yeah,

734
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: this is one of the things I say too, like

735
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: when it comes to stuff like like I was talking

736
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: to just another day. He was like, you know, I

737
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: don't like people at work and they say like African

738
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: American and he was like, you know what I'm saying.

739
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: I was like, not really, and he was like, what

740
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: do you mean. It's like, like just say black And

741
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I'm not bothered by either one

742
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: of those neither, Like that's not like because there was

743
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: a time when people thought it was racist the other way.

744
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: They were like, don't call me black, I'm an African American.

745
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: Like it has changed multiple times in my life. I'm

746
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: not that I'm forty, but I'm just saying it's changed

747
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: multiple times, and I remember it, like I remember being

748
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: like as a black person being like, wait, we were

749
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: mad about what now? Which one is it? I thought

750
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: we were just like off colored in Negro. I thought

751
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: we was okay. So and one time, if you keep

752
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 1: reading through history, there was a time when color was cool.

753
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: That was fine. Black people were like, I am colored,

754
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: call me color, that's cool. Then it becomes all these

755
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: words end up becoming a face of what white people

756
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: hate because they just hate black people period. So it's like, okay,

757
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: well now we don't like colors, they don't call me colored.

758
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: I am an African American, you know, And we're all

759
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: the way back to black, by the way, because there

760
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: was a time when we would call black and it

761
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: was just an inzo these blacks it's like, oh, I'm

762
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: not a black, I'm colored, you know, Like it was

763
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: always there's always some level to be offended to, but

764
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: it's really the you know, the underlying offense that we're

765
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: mad at anyway, But yes, the shit does change, and

766
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: that's why I was like, you know, when it comes

767
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 1: to like if your hard is in the right place

768
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: and you're trying to understand and like use somebody's pronouns correctly,

769
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: you might fuck up. The reason you fuck up is proximity,

770
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: by the way, because none of us are perfect. So

771
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: the closer you have these people in your life that

772
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: are different from you and marginalized eric groups that you're

773
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: not in the closer your fuck ups are going to happen.

774
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: You see, what I'm saying. So like, the chances of

775
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: me and sounding somebody who's trans by accidentally calling them

776
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: the wrong pronoun is zero. If I never have a

777
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: transper and around me, I'll never have to worry about it, right,

778
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: I could be wocus. I want to be in my brain.

779
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: But then when you start living a life where this now,

780
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: these scenarios are in your face, these these chances and

781
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: opportunities to mess up are in your face, most people

782
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 1: are not comfortable with that because it then it then

783
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: takes away our perfection of the image that we want

784
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: to put out. So it's like, damn, I accidentally called

785
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: young Pronto, I'm so sorry I didn't and you know,

786
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: and you know, but you want to know us. While

787
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: if your heart is in the right place, and the

788
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: vast majority of people in any marginalized group will understand

789
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: that you, as a person of privilege, do not fucking

790
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: understand what their life is like. And you don't and

791
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: you're unlearning this shit, and you may have fucked up,

792
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: but and it's not gonna turn into I'm gonna pull

793
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: a knife out the stabut most of the time, which

794
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: is what so many people a privilege afraid of that well,

795
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: the well meaning ones, right, fucking not. So many are

796
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: afraid of that that they get defensive. But in most

797
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: cases it's like no, no, no, no, no, man, don't call

798
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: me African American. You could just say black boom taken

799
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: care of. But if you come at it with the

800
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: fuck you mean African American, then obviously that's the night

801
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: Med scenario everybody's worried about. So yeah, I think that's

802
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: that's I think that's a truth that we don't hear

803
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: a lot because everybody wants to be so woke. It's like,

804
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: I've never fucked up. I'm always perfect. I knew these

805
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: things before I knew these things I didn't. So yeah,

806
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: and shout out to the elders within her community that

807
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: were like, yo, let me walk you through this, because

808
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: when you get called out, you do have feelings about it,

809
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: and we always just go those feelings aren't valid. That's

810
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: not true. Your feelings are valid when you get called

811
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: out to and you do have to work through them,

812
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: and that's ignoring those feelings is different, Like that's not helpful.

813
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: I do understand not quote unquote centering those feelings, Like

814
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: we don't want to make this all about you. But yeah,

815
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 1: like there is a residual emotional effect to the way

816
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: people interact with each other. That's just human nature. So

817
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: if you say black and I want to be called

818
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: African American, I call you a cracker ass motherfucker. You

819
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: might have your feelings hurt by that, and we should recognize, like, yes,

820
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: that was intended to hurt your feelings, and your feelings

821
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: are hurt, and you are gonna have to deal with

822
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: that before we can even move on, because you're gonna

823
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: be fucked up off of that. That's like, like people

824
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: just think it's uh. They think it's a uh. They

825
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: think it's like a what's the right word hierarchy. They

826
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: think it's a hierarchy of feelings. And then that's how

827
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 1: human beings work. But we only experience our experience, so

828
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,479
Speaker 1: our feelings are almost always at the top, right, because

829
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: there are feelings. Yeah, every individual's feelings are almost always

830
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: at the top of whatever they do like and and

831
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: only like rare exceptions do we see humans I put

832
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: themselves first in situations, So we should at least understand

833
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: that that's part of it. So if we don't have

834
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: to get to this lesson of like how do I

835
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: injure you? How do we start before we get to

836
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: the injury? How do we start with like, Okay, let's

837
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: try this tech thing before we skip to one hundred,

838
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, all right? She goes on to say, colleagues,

839
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: help me understand. I experienced things through my trauma. There

840
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: was a difference between what I felt was true and

841
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: what were facts. This ain't easy and it ain't over,

842
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: even as an elder now myself. But I wonder if

843
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: contemporary social movements have absorbed the most useful lessons from

844
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,479
Speaker 1: the past about how to hold each other accountable while

845
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: doing extremely difficult and risky social justice work. Can we

846
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: avoid individualizing oppression and not use the movement as our

847
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 1: personal therapy space? A lot of people do that. Yeah,

848
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: both of those things are things that really structure the

849
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: core for me, because how often do we put the

850
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: entire our system of injustice on a person on one person?

851
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: Like this person is this system? What we know? It's

852
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: a system that needs to be dismantled, But we just

853
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: look at it like one like And I think that's

854
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: why we continue to fail like or continue to repeat

855
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: certain cycles, like for example, this is something that we

856
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: talk about when we come to politics, Donald Trump is

857
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: emblematic of the Republican like way of life. Like he's

858
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: not he's an individual that is detestable, but the people

859
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: supporting him believe the same things. So what's that thing

860
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: when people go like, well, if we can just get

861
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: rid of him, and you're like, that will do nothing,

862
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 1: right because the system still will keep moving. Yeah, getting

863
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: rid of him will do nothing. It'll do absolutely nothing.

864
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: So and if we don't have the will or the

865
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: education or the ability to change things like that, then

866
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to find another way, you know. I

867
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: like to just oh well, we'll just this on him

868
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: and then everything will be fixed. Okay, Well then we'll

869
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: just have Mike Pence and if not him, then some

870
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: other motherfucker we hate, right, And then you know, saying

871
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: the jay Z thing too, like he is a capitalist,

872
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: that's the problems, Like he's the one person like just

873
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: now we now we're like, it's it's all on him.

874
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: Well okay, if it wasn't him, what last year was

875
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: supposed to be Puffed Addy and t I that was

876
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: gonna buy a team? So well, like what what what?

877
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: Why the word? Were we coming at them this hard?

878
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: Thus even a oh yeah, and then move using the

879
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: movement as personal therapy spaces. Uh, that's some real ship

880
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: because I've told you, man, people be going through trauma,

881
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: and then especially the people that are activists, they've been

882
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: going through it even worse than just a regular person

883
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: because they targeted by these people that are out there,

884
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: like get them right, Like these people are killing some

885
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: of these people. People are incarcerating these people. Then when

886
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: no matter what moves they make, no matter what decisions

887
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: they arrived to, people are getting on them either way.

888
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: Oh you went to this protest? Fuck you? You just

889
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: erased everybody that was already at the protest, didn't go.

890
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: Oh you didn't go to this protest? Fuck you. You

891
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,959
Speaker 1: don't care about this cause I can't believe you fake

892
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: woke motherfucker. Oh you didn't talk about this topic deck

893
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: Like everything that happens regardless of how I don't want

894
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: to say minute it is because it's all important, right,

895
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: But nobody can keep up with every fucking you tweet it.

896
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: That has impossible. You tweeting future lyrics. You know that

897
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: he is abusive, sist that what you don't get like

898
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: you are active sugar. Yeah, you don't get to watch

899
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: you don't get to watch TV, you don't get to

900
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: have fun, you don't get to and to be on

901
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: that much to be scrutinized that much many times by

902
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: while they not getting paid. A lot of these motherfuckers

903
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: broken as you and me, like that shit does wear

904
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: on them, and and if and then I think it's

905
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: one of the reasons a lot of the quote unquote

906
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: call out from other activists to other activists, not to

907
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: belittle what they doing, but a lot of times it's because,

908
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: I mean, coincidentally, the person they're calling out is more

909
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: quote unquote owned vi them. Coincidentally, Oh you okay, you

910
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: found you got some activism popping your shit working? You

911
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: know what? You was never shit? And how come what

912
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: about this moment from three years ago on Twitter? What

913
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: about this thing you did that I didn't agree with?

914
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: What y'all really gonna support this person? You know what

915
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying, It's like, well, it always does seem to

916
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: be a person that's not doing as well talking about

917
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: the person doing better than them almost one hundred percent

918
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: of the time, and that energy you could be focusing

919
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: on your own shit, you know, and or the other

920
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 1: other thing people do. You're not gonna call out your

921
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: other friend like, oh, so you're an activist and you

922
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: took a picture with this person in nineteen ninety five,

923
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: Like it's that kind of shit. So you know, I

924
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: can see how it would be Like maybe these people

925
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: would need type of therapy. I think everybody could use it,

926
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: but like maybe, you know, in a lot of cases,

927
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: when you that scrutinize, that public and that chastise and

928
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: also that lionized, I can see how people would be like, yeah,

929
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: you you know, you're using this shit to work out

930
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: stuff that's inside.

931
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: Of you, right, because nobody is built, nobody is born

932
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: knowing how to navigate these spaces.

933
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: All right, you got PTSD from this shit. I don't know,

934
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: you know so, And you know, I try to be

935
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: And that's why I said, when people come to me

936
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: for not being hard enough on folks, I'm always like,

937
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 1: because I'm allowing that they human, I don't know them.

938
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to judge them. You know what I'm saying, Well,

939
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: what about when this activist did you see what they said? Yeah?

940
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know their experience. Well, this person's shady, Okay,

941
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: that's what and the person calling them out people say

942
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: they're shady. I don't know, you know anyway, Thus, even

943
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: an incest and hate Thus, even as an incest and

944
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: hate crime survivor, I have recognized that not every flirtatious

945
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: man is a potential rapist, nor every racially challenged white

946
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: person is a Trump supporter. Yeah that I think that's

947
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: a big thing we all do too, you know, So

948
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: a white person say some shit, we don't like, it's

949
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: like that nigga loved Trump. It's like maybe not saying

950
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: y'all not saying you're wrong all the time, but like

951
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: we throw everybody out with that bath water. Don't like

952
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: if it's like this motherfucker fuck up a little bit.

953
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: We like, see, I told you this motherfucker was in

954
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: the clan. It's like, okay, there's levels to this ship. Yeah, levels.

955
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: And I've been guilty of that because I'm like, fuck it, yeah, yeah,

956
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: I mean you get to the point where you like,

957
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: you know, I don't got time to shift, I ain't

958
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: got time to look at nobody's individual by lines. Fuck it. Yeah,

959
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: it's that PTSD. I think of dealing with racism and

960
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: dealing with certain situations that make us that way. But

961
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: is that healthy? Is that? Is that the approach to

962
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: activism that be the most productive? I don't think so. No.

963
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: I have learned and I have grown, and I.

964
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: Had to get myself to a place where, Yeah, black

965
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 2: people know that every white person they run into an

966
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 2: interact with this is not racist.

967
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: They understand that.

968
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 2: But as a totality, as a unit, as a crew

969
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: in a regular label.

970
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no, it's all racism.

971
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: M Yeah. I think with her as an activist talking about,

972
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: you know, the work she's doing in these areas, I

973
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: think it's even different than just your individual life. I

974
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: think she's talking about like I go out, Well, we'll

975
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: get to it because you'll see what she's saying later. Okay.

976
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: But I understand her point, which is like, you can't

977
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: live with that, and you can't more importantly, you can't

978
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: work with that. Agree. We're a polarized country, divided by

979
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 1: white supremacy, patriarchy, racism against immigrants, and increasingly vitriolic ways

980
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: to disrespect one another. Are we of devolving or devolving

981
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: in our ability to handle conflicts? Frankly, I expect people

982
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: of all political persuasions to call me out productively and

983
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: unproductively for my critique of this culture. It's not a

984
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: part of an issue, yep. And that's the part of

985
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: everybody misses. One person's dragon is another person's harassment. And

986
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: I've seen it happen for a bunch of different reasons,

987
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: but it all looks the same at the end of

988
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: the day, whether you think it's righteous or not. Like

989
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: Republicans do it, people docs folks. I think somebody accused

990
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders campaign of docing somebody just just like last

991
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: week that after being called Bernie bros. And all the

992
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: ship they've dealt with, they still going. They still have

993
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: that ship happening. And that's not that's not Republicans, that's

994
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: not Fox News. That's a supposedly socialist democrat or democratic socialist,

995
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. Supposedly that's one of

996
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: the good ones. And that's what people do. Because the

997
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: tactics are the same, doesn't matter. The heart of the

998
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 1: matter is, there's much more effect the way to build

999
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: social justice movements. They happened in person, in real life.

1000
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: Of course, so many brilliant an effective social justice activists

1001
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: know this already. People don't understand that organizing isn't going

1002
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: online and cutting people out or going to a protest

1003
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: and calling something out. Patrice Cohn Colors, a founder of

1004
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter movement, wrote and how we get

1005
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: how we fight white supremacy? We wrote that We read

1006
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: that on the show a long time ago, and I

1007
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: think it was after twenty sixteen, and she was basically saying, like, Yeah,

1008
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: the way I went about some of this shit was

1009
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: not productive. We should have been registering people to vote

1010
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: at our events, like we were so anti the quote

1011
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: unquote system is so keen on doing shit outside of

1012
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: the ways that are typically defined that we may have

1013
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: missed the mark on some of this shit. We had

1014
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: opportunities that we let go by us, and now look

1015
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: where we are and now I don't And people got

1016
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: on her like the same person you put on a

1017
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: pedestal because and I feel like that's the social part

1018
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: of social media. She was outside the group think for

1019
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: a second and was like, looking back on this in

1020
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: the movement that I helped start, I feel like we

1021
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: could have did better, or we could do things differently

1022
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: going forward. And people was mad at her, right, And

1023
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: a lot of that boils down to you you hit

1024
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: the nail on the head, and a lot of.

1025
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 2: People will never accept this, the reality of it. There

1026
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 2: are a lot of hurt people out there and they

1027
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: don't know and they have not properly deal with they

1028
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 2: hurt and their pain and the reality and the racism

1029
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: of living and this fucked up society we call America.

1030
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 2: They these feelings are there and they don't know what

1031
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: to do with these feelings. So anytime they quote unquote

1032
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: feel like somebody has changed sides, all of a sudden,

1033
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 2: this anger straps out. Because I remember that, and I

1034
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 2: do agree with some of the things that she was saying,

1035
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken. She was like, Hey, we got

1036
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: to work with white people to get shit done. Yeah, mad,

1037
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: But you know what, that's the goddamn truth.

1038
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: And I know people don't want to hear that. You

1039
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: have got to work with white people. If you want

1040
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: their money, you have got to work with them. If

1041
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: you won't law change, you have got to work with them.

1042
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: That's the way the game is rigged. And people don't

1043
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: want to hear that. Yeah, it's inconvenience, but it's a

1044
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: fight as old as time. For every For example, when

1045
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: I worked to d program incarcerated rapists in the nineteen seventies.

1046
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 1: Who right, nineteen seventies. By the way, this shit goes back,

1047
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: you know, this is the stuff I'll be talking about

1048
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: when I'm like the because people, you know, sometimes I

1049
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, get bristled a little bit, and when I

1050
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: mock like some of the shit I say on the

1051
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: Internet or whatever, understandably. But when I mock like I

1052
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: think Shane wrote in and I was. She was like,

1053
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: you know, you're talking about these people online that go

1054
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: say that prison abolition is and shit. And She's like,

1055
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: as a prison a real prison abolition or a person

1056
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: that's worked with them, I feel like, you know, these

1057
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: people aren't really representative. And I'm like, well, that's kind

1058
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: of the point I'm making, because the real deal is

1059
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: different than the shit you see on Twitter. When you're

1060
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: only a prison abolitionist, when the criminal looks like you,

1061
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: are you not a prison abolitionist? If you against the

1062
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: death penalty for everybody except like Dylan Ruth, do you

1063
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: not against the death penalty for real? And by the way,

1064
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm not judging, I understand I'm not against it really

1065
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: because I can't pass that test myself. You know, Hey,

1066
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 1: I would like to see prison reform. Blah blah blah.

1067
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: You said, Okay, well, we need restorative justice and we

1068
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: need to heal people and we need to get them out.

1069
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, but to a point. So I ain't

1070
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: really about it all the way because if you put R.

1071
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: Kelly in my face, I'm gonna tell you can go

1072
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: to hell. So how i'ma didn't turn around on you

1073
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: and be like, but but look, I'm righteous and I'm

1074
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: a prison abolition, I'm not really you know. And the

1075
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: way that we treat people, and it's normally those same

1076
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: group of people that claim to be about this type

1077
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 1: of like we need a like a very radical reform

1078
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 1: to the economy, society, incarceration, everything people that I'm like, yeah,

1079
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: I can get with that, but I don't want to

1080
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: get with them because they frolgilent as fucked because when

1081
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: it's a social impass, they treat it like a death sentence,

1082
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: a social death sentence, So they're not really about that life.

1083
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: If you're a I gotta bring up this one time

1084
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: you said blank person, then you can't be a uh

1085
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: how you even that's the same energy of I want

1086
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: a box where I can see if you're a feeling

1087
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: because I don't want to hire you if you served

1088
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: your sentence and did a crime or what, I don't

1089
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: even want to fucking hire you, So I'm gonna need

1090
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: this box. They banned a boxing like, uh, I think

1091
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: Oregon maybe, and we don't hear stories out of there,

1092
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 1: like look how this uprooted the fucking economy and now

1093
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: every McDonald's is being robbed by the cash. He're like, no,

1094
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: it just they didn't need it, right, But there's something

1095
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: inside of us individually that does get off on that,

1096
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: even the ones of us that claim to be so

1097
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,959
Speaker 1: fucking whoa. There's something in us, and we're not being

1098
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: real if we ignore that. Where's something in us that

1099
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: goes but not that nigga. You know, That's why I

1100
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: relate those two issues, because I'm talking about the heart

1101
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: of the matter inside of you, not the you know what. Technically,

1102
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: I mean, if I don't wanna uh, if I got

1103
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: a problem with Nicki Minaj's dating a dude that did

1104
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: uh that was convicted of sexual assault, that's not the

1105
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: same as saying I don't want to work with somebody

1106
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: that's yes the fuck you know that the odds of

1107
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 1: you being like I mock Nicki Minaj for dating somebody

1108
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: that's been cused of being convicted of sexual assault and

1109
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: then you wanted to work besides somebody who's been convicted

1110
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: of sexual assault. The odds are very low that that's

1111
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: not a fucking Venn diagram of a complete circle. Come on, like,

1112
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: oh well, that's different in the workplace. No, most of

1113
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: y'all are going to feel the same way both places.

1114
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: You know, it just is what it is. We gotta

1115
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: be honest about the shit. But like I said, I

1116
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: respect her righteousness this even though I can't go there

1117
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: with her. I respect the fuck out of that because

1118
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm a sexual assault victim in the nineteen seventies.

1119
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm trying to deprogram and rehabilitate incarcerated rapists. I can't imagine.

1120
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine that level of strem but I but

1121
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: at the same time, I can respect the fuck out

1122
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: of that. Yes, I do, because that that's the kind

1123
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: of work that I'm just like, how do people even

1124
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: do that work in the ninety says?

1125
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 2: I told man, that's how you know you about that

1126
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: life more than me, Like, you say, the.

1127
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: Shit and you actually mean it. Yeah, I respect Al

1128
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: Sharpton because if Asart Rocky talked about me like that,

1129
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: it's no fucking way I'm helping him. You know, I'm

1130
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: not like that. I'm not as good as him. I

1131
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: strive to try to be like that. There's certain times

1132
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: I look at people, uh Serena Williams going back to

1133
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: that motherfucking golf I mean tennis tournament where they were

1134
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: racist to her. I don't know if I got that

1135
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: in me. Lebron James going back to Cleveland. I don't

1136
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: know if I have that in me, because I you know,

1137
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: at some point I still bump up against that ego

1138
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: on myself. I'm like, nah, fuck a greater calls, fuck

1139
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: all that, y'all said this shit about me. So I

1140
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: have great respect for that. I don't go you a

1141
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: food better you than you? I really do say. I hope,

1142
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: I hope when I'm tested like that to be able

1143
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: to have the strength of character to say, you know what,

1144
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a bigger moment for the race,

1145
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: a bigger moment for society for me to use this

1146
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: example and show people something that they don't see often,

1147
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: which is a person going outside of themselves and being like, Nah,

1148
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: y'all fucked up, and I'm gonna come in here and

1149
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: and we'll try to work this out, you know. And

1150
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: that's the thing. You have to look outside of yourself,

1151
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: because that's the thing.

1152
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: You also have to have a lot of compassion and

1153
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 2: a lot of understanding that people are people regardless of

1154
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 2: what the fuck they've done. And nobody wants to hear

1155
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 2: that part of it because it's really easy to write.

1156
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: People offer to say fuck you regardless of what you did.

1157
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 2: And just fuck you forever and never never, But there

1158
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,439
Speaker 2: is a real person behind that. And yes, I think

1159
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 2: you do need to be separated from society and go

1160
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 2: to jail all that shit too, but still as a person.

1161
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, she goes into it. I told the story

1162
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: of my own sexual assaults. It opened the floodgate for theirs.

1163
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: They were candid about having rape women admit it, having

1164
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: done it to men, or revealed being raped themselves. As

1165
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: part of our work together, they foreign Prisoners Against Rape,

1166
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: the country's first anti sexual assault program led by men.

1167
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: I believe me too. Survivors can more effectively address sexual

1168
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: abuse without report resorting to the punishment and exile that

1169
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: mirrors the prison industrial complex. Nor should we use social

1170
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: media to rush the judgment in the courtroom composed of clicks.

1171
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: If we do, we run into the paradox. Audrey Lord

1172
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: warned us about what she said that the master's tools

1173
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: will never dismantle the master's home. Yeah, people always use

1174
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: that as a way to dismantle, as a way to say,

1175
00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: like people shouldn't work on integration topics like no, you

1176
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: can't be a politician and also try to dismantle the

1177
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: politician system. It's like the same people that got fucking

1178
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: the squad in their avatars and y'all love Alexandria Cassio

1179
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: Cortez and Rashida ta Lib and elj Omar and Ayanna Presley,

1180
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: y'all stand them down. Guess what they're doing. Guess what

1181
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: guess guess guess what they're doing where they're trying to

1182
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: do this from. So we can't like this, Like these

1183
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: type of platitudes and ship that people throw out there,

1184
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: they're not always true, and we don't always believe that,

1185
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: at least our action show we don't, because then we

1186
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: support these folks. Technically speaking, everybody should have been like

1187
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: fuck them the second they put their name on the

1188
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: ballot and been like nope, that see we lost them sisters.

1189
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: But no, we was like yes, go sis, go off.

1190
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: But they will come a day when these women, mark

1191
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: my words, are tenured enough and successful enough that we

1192
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: will turn on them. We will turn. Nothing has to

1193
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: change about them. But in order to work in that

1194
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: system for any length of time, whether you make a compromise,

1195
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: whether you just make a decision that we didn't agree with,

1196
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: just the fact that we now know your name and

1197
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: feel like you have more establishment than you did before,

1198
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: we will try to tell those women down. And I

1199
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: it's it's something will happen anyway, But yeah, I think she. Uh.

1200
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: One of the reasons on this show that I stopped

1201
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: really doing the segment about trash I've said it before

1202
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: is one. Uh. It was definitely I don't believe anybody's

1203
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: trash period like it is what it is like or

1204
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: just the I don't believe the vast majority of people trash.

1205
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: I think people make mistakes, people fuck up, whatever. But

1206
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: to then say somebody is completely trash means that irredeemable

1207
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: and it's impossible for that person to to ever grow

1208
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: or change. And I'm not gonna make a habit of

1209
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: hating individual people knowing that individuals change. I might hate

1210
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: their actions, I might hate the way they stand for

1211
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: something right now, but but there's always even if it's

1212
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: a small percentage, there's always a chance that they don't

1213
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: end up where they started. Right that being said, it

1214
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: is a lot of that, a lot of like that.

1215
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: We're going to treat every accusation as the truth. We're

1216
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: gonna treat every We're gonna treat every uh situation no

1217
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: matter how whether it's cleared or not, whether it's proven

1218
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: or unproven. It's just gonna always be a shadow over you.

1219
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: You know, even in situations when when when people have

1220
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: different degrees of violations, we treated the same. Even the

1221
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: criminal justice system doesn't do that, but in the public

1222
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: justice system, we definitely do that. Everything is one hundred.

1223
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: Things is the five. Some might be twenty five, some

1224
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: might be eighty two. Everything can't be one hundred. Yeah,

1225
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: if you said some stupid shit, that's the same as

1226
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: you being a rapist. You know the same. But but

1227
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: I mean that's how it's treated. Like, we don't have room.

1228
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: Everything a death sentence. Yeah, everything's black and white. On

1229
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: social media, there's not a lot of like I just

1230
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: don't like this nigga. I roll my eyes when I

1231
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: see their face. But they're allowed to work. We're like,

1232
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: you hired so and so, don't you know he grabbed

1233
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: a booty in two thousand and one. I can't believe

1234
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: I will never see this movie, you know, Like, but

1235
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: that's what we are with a lot of this shit,

1236
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, And and it does kind of mirror that,

1237
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: like every sin is unforgivable, you know, every cent is unforgivable,

1238
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: but my sins. Yeah, well it's a life sentence for everybody.

1239
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: And then the fact is everybody just about has fucked

1240
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: up at some point, Yes they have, which is always

1241
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: the funniest shit whenever like someone that has been calling

1242
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: everybody else out, has somebody come forward like well one

1243
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: time you tried to kiss me at a party, and

1244
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: it's like, oh I told you so and so was

1245
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: and shit either, you know, everybody getting bound somebody's grace.

1246
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: We can build restorative justice processes to hold the stories

1247
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: of accusers and the accused and work together to ascertain

1248
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: harm and achieve justice without seeing anyone as disposable people

1249
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: and violating their human rights or the right to do process,

1250
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: and if feminists were able to listen to convicted rapists

1251
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies, we can seek innovative and restorative

1252
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: methods for accused people today. That also applies to people

1253
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: fighting white supremacy. On a mountaintop in rural Tennessee in

1254
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two, a group of women whose partners were

1255
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: in the klu kluts Klan asked me to provide anti

1256
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: racist training to help keep their children out of the

1257
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: group all day. They called me a well spoken colored

1258
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: girl and inappropriately asked me to sing Negro spirituals. I

1259
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: naively thought at the time that all white people were

1260
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: weigh beyond those types of insulting anachronisms. Instead of reacting,

1261
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: I responded, I couldn't let my hurt feelings sabotage my agenda.

1262
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: I listened to how they joined the white supreme this movement.

1263
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: I told him how I felt when I was eight

1264
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: and my best friend called me nigga the first time

1265
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: and I had heard that word. The women and I

1266
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: made progress. I did not receive reports about further outbreaks

1267
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: of racist violence from that area for my remaining years

1268
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: monitoring hate groups that right there is the shit I'm

1269
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, she actually looking at the bigger picture,

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Speaker 1: and that's very even in that moment for people to do.

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Speaker 1: How many of us can do that? Uh you a

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Speaker 1: wells fucking colored man, see me a Negro spiritual huh all,

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01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: y'all kids gonna be in the clan because fuck crackers.

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Speaker 1: All right, y'all have a good one. Fuck y'all, y'all

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01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: had to hang me to night. Bitch, spit in your face?

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01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: How about that? You know what I mean? Like, no,

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Speaker 1: you fail in no progress, no rog Like that's some

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Speaker 1: real I don't, Like I said, she is about that life.

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Speaker 1: It ain't just words on the piece of paper. She

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01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: is trying to actually check the world. And when you're

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01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: trying to change the world, you have got to constantly

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01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: put your own self ego to the side. It's very

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01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: hard to do because everybody has an ego. But I

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01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for this even if I

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01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: couldn't do it, because partially because I can't do it,

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01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: and I do think she's right right, Like, this is

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01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: the shit I'll be talking about. Like when I talk

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01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: about I listening to people's podcasts sometimes and sometimes people

1289
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: are like, how can you listen to them, I'm like, well,

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01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: I don't have to agree with it. No, I don't

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01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: have to do it. I just want to hear their perspective.

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01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: And a lot of times that's logic to it. There's

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01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: reason to it, and now I understand that reason. And

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01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: I don't say I understand this because I want to

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01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,439
Speaker 1: debate them or show them how they're wrong or disprove them.

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01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes I just want to understand this so I can

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01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: be like, there's other valid perspectives to look at life.

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01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: And this is one of those times where I'm like,

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01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: that's valid as fuck. And you did you walk the walk?

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01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: You didn't just say like you're like, she's not one

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01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: of those women that does the thing where it's like

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01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: I'm a discredit to me too movement by being like

1303
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: these feminists ain't real feminists like we was feminists. Nah.

1304
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: She's like, no, this, I understand that. I've been through this.

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01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: I've been exactly in these type of situations. So when

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01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in a room of rapists as a sexual

1307
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: assault survivor talking about deprogramming them, here's what I found

1308
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: that worked, and we were able to establish this and

1309
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: measure progress in this way, Hey, hats off to you.

1310
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: Maybe somebody else could say, we just go in there

1311
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: and fucking beat the shit out of them dudes, and

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01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: then they won't be rapist anymore. But would that work

1313
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: or would you just feel better? Call outs are justified?

1314
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I'm sorry. Those type of experiences caused me

1315
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 1: to wonder whether today's call out culture unifies or splinters

1316
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: social justice work because it's not advancing us, either with

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01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: allies or opponents. Similarly problematic is to cancel culture in

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01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: quotes where people attempt to expunge anyone with whom they

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01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 1: do not perfectly agree, rather than remain focused on those

1320
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: who profit from discrimination and injustice. Call Outs are justified

1321
01:07:55,920 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: to challenge provocateurs who deliberately hurt others or for powerful

1322
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: people beyond our reach. Effectively criticizing such people is an

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01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: important tactic for achieving justice, But most public shaming is

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01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: horizontal and done by those who believe they have greater

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01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: integrity or more sophisticated analysis or analyzes. Probably they become

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01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: the self appointed guardians of political purity. Callouts make people

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01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: fearful of being targeted. People avoid meaningful conversations with hypervigilant

1328
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: perfectionists pointing out apparent mistakes, feeding the cannibalistic mall of

1329
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: cancel culture, shaming people, shaming people for when they woke

1330
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 1: up presupposed, is rigid political standards for acceptable discoord and

1331
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: enlisted others, enlist others to power on. Sometimes it's just

1332
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 1: ruthless hazing. Come said a word, said a fucking word.

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01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: Ruthless because it doesn't make sense said the said a

1334
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 1: fucking word. That's real though, Like, because like that's the thing, man,

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01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: I think the reason that cancel culture quote quotes, and

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01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: it's in quotes because I understand people say it's not

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01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 1: a real thing. No one gets canceled, right, But just

1338
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: because you say it's not real and that the results

1339
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:18,600
Speaker 1: don't get the quote unquote cancelation doesn't mean the attempts,

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01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: the effort, the harassment, the the toxic friendships and alliances

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01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: that I created in the wake of these of basically

1342
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: like trying to call people out and then you create

1343
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 1: these friendships of we all call people out all day,

1344
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 1: and we're all online all day and we call that accountability. Well,

1345
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: if the end result is not to get to the

1346
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 1: goal that you fucking stated in the beginning, to get

1347
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: people to understand, to spread the word, to educate. If

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01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen, then it does mean what you're doing

1349
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 1: is wrong and harmful, or at least or best, is misleading.

1350
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 1: You're not really doing it for the reasons you say.

1351
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 1: I think a lot of stuff just makes us feel better.

1352
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: Everyone has done it, me included, all of us. We've

1353
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: had things where it's like, I don't like what this

1354
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: nigga said. I just want to use everything I have

1355
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: to be like fuck this nigga and fuck what they

1356
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 1: talking about, right, and it make us feel better, and

1357
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: especially if you can get people to join in. Hey, y'all,

1358
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: look what so and so said. People do it on

1359
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: Twitter all the time. Take somebody screenshot or reput I

1360
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: still think Donald Trump part of the reason he's the

1361
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: perfect Twitter person and the reason that he'll never go

1362
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:41,600
Speaker 1: away on social media is because people can't help but

1363
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 1: to dunk on him, and that helps him more than

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01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 1: it hurts him. And we all see it, and no

1365
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: one can stop themselves. He's the perfect fucking person that

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01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: one hundred times he can say something stupid one hundred

1367
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: fucking time percent of the time, and someone you know

1368
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:04,839
Speaker 1: is gonna at some point retweet that it's not surprising

1369
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: he said it. It's not even shocking he says the

1370
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: shit anymore. You knew he would say it. And you

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01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: can't help but to make yourself look smarter by dunking

1372
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 1: on this idiot, this very powerful idiot. You can't help yourself.

1373
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: So what's really happening is the measurables for his account

1374
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 1: on Twitter are tremendous. They're out, They're out of the

1375
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: fucking park, probably better than anyone's on Twitter. And then

1376
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: we go, why I want Twitter delete this account? Why

1377
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: would they? Right? He keeps that Twitter's not addicted to him.

1378
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 1: We are right, you know, like we didn't do this

1379
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: with anybody with the same thing when Kanye was saying

1380
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: something Kanye will be having mental health breakdowns and people

1381
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: couldn't help but dunk on him, a man that we

1382
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 1: know isn't well. He's literally in his tweet, I'm off

1383
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: my medication and I'm not blah blah blah. And we

1384
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 1: will be like, I can't help it, I gotta say

1385
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: something about him. We can't help ourselves, and then we

1386
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: blame it on other shit. And yet at the end

1387
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: of the fucking day, the thing that you lie or

1388
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 1: falsely believe is the is the end results of calling

1389
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 1: these people out? The quote unquote accountability We see you

1390
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: see that dragged around so much, When does it happen? Everybody?

1391
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: Think about the people that have been called out the

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01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 1: most by angry people. Think about who they are. How

1393
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: many of them just double down and never give up

1394
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,759
Speaker 1: and they and they stay fucked up all the time,

1395
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 1: and how many of them come around eventually? Think about

1396
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: it if you I don't know, I don't know any really,

1397
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: I don't know any And even when they come around,

1398
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:49,560
Speaker 1: it's never enough anyway, because what we're addicted to is

1399
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: really hating them more than we're addicted to whether they

1400
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 1: grow or anything. We're addicted to, like the hatetred, the

1401
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: dopamine we get from being like fuck this person anyway.

1402
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: And she didn't say call outs weren't justified at all.

1403
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: She was just like, look, if it's you know, like

1404
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 1: in her case, like let's say, if it's Trump beyond

1405
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: reach powerful, and the only thing we got in our

1406
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: tool bag is he ain't ever gonna listen to us,

1407
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 1: So we just gotta be like fuck Trump and hope

1408
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,799
Speaker 1: that one day he just having to stumble across it. Okay,

1409
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: but a lot of times it's people within your peer

1410
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 1: group and you still doing this shit online because it's

1411
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: really just bullying. At that point, it's really just hazing

1412
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: that she said, we can change this culture. Calling in

1413
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: is simply a call out done with love. Some corrections

1414
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 1: can be made privately, others will necessarily be in public,

1415
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 1: but done with respect. It's not tone policing. That's another one.

1416
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 1: Another one must say. It was once we got the

1417
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 1: words for shit, it just didn't matter because we can

1418
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,520
Speaker 1: always justify how we feel with all the fucking protagonists

1419
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 1: of our story. So I say something in sensitive. Let's

1420
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:02,839
Speaker 1: say it's on accident. I'm I'm somewhere. I'm like, uh man,

1421
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 1: uh I was at the barbershop and these females walked there. Okay,

1422
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 1: that's that's an offensive turn to a lot of people.

1423
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: You come in and you say you, oh, broke ass,

1424
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever, like broke ass, fat stupid motherfucker female.

1425
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: Don't call me females like calling me a bitch? Okay,

1426
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: what am I am? I gonna go. Thank you for

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01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: educating me. Sis. I appreciate that. I would never say

1428
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 1: that term again, or am I gonna say some like

1429
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 1: are you tripping? See this was wrong with females and

1430
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 1: now we got a whole fucking thing, you know, And

1431
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: it's or if I say, why you gotta call me

1432
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: a fat, stupid motherfucker, and it's like, what, don't tone

1433
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: police me? Well, none of this is constructive at this point.

1434
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: From this point, how many of us have seen this

1435
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,600
Speaker 1: very scenario happen in our face, and how many of

1436
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: us have seen a resolute that was fruitful In the end,

1437
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 1: it ended up.

1438
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 2: Being a big old fall out in everybody picksides and

1439
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 2: it's a three hour argument on Twitter.

1440
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: And I completely understand the reactionary feeling of anyone who

1441
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 1: gets offended, because I've been offended by shit like we've

1442
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 1: all been here. Yeah, somebody said a lot of times

1443
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: Sunday morning ain't no football, the ain't watching football as much?

1444
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: No more people boy yees Sunday morning. Twitter is pretty

1445
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:29,759
Speaker 1: much only this anyway. Calling in engages debates with words

1446
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 1: and actions of healing and restoration and without self indulgence

1447
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 1: of drama, and we can make productive choices about the

1448
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: terms of the debate, conflicts about coalition building, supporting candidates

1449
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 1: or policies are routine and desirable feature of a pluralistic democracy.

1450
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: You may never meet a person a member of the clan,

1451
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,679
Speaker 1: or actively teach incarcerated people, but everyone can sit down

1452
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: with people they don't agree with to work toward solutions

1453
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:57,839
Speaker 1: to common problems. In twenty seventeen, as a college professor

1454
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,759
Speaker 1: in Massachusetts, I accidentally misgendered the student of line during election.

1455
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: I froze in shame, expecting to be blasted. Instead, my

1456
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: student said, that's all right, I'm missgender myself. Sometimes we

1457
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 1: need more of this kind of grace. Yeah, I mean respect.

1458
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: So she's an activist, and she's the author of forthcoming book,

1459
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 1: The Calling and Calling in the call Out Culture, the

1460
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 1: Toxic or Detoxing our Movement. So I'm gonna ask you

1461
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 1: catch that book, man, real talk. I don't know, it

1462
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 1: just felt timely, you know, I know it's a deep

1463
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: dive in the long read, but you know it's our show.

1464
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do not listen? Right? Uh? But yeah,

1465
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 1: it's just something I've been thinking about a lot because

1466
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know, man, like the social

1467
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: pressure and of that culture is very strong. I've been

1468
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: avoiding it for long time because as an impath, I

1469
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: can't exist like that. I can't make It makes me angry,

1470
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: It makes me depressed, It makes me like rage, it

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01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: makes me you know, like even like seeing conflicts where

1472
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 1: I where I can't. Like sometimes you're on social media,

1473
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 1: it's like you can't take your eyes off of every

1474
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 1: take about this conflict, every post, every people going back

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01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 1: and forth, and you know, especially with somebody like I know,

1476
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 1: my lane is mostly comedic, so I try to find

1477
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 1: the jokes in certain shit, you know, Like you know,

1478
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the Kaepernick thing, and I'm like rad

1479
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: of just like file some hot tweets or be like,

1480
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: oh look what this person said. Man, but they said

1481
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 1: this earlier, you know whatever, And I think to myself, like,

1482
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,640
Speaker 1: what would the positive? What positive could come of that?

1483
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: Like what I'm gonna change their mind if I bring

1484
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: up like, well, you just said anybody supporting jay Z

1485
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: is just supporting capitalism. But Kla Kaevernick is making twenty

1486
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 1: men it's worth twenty million and planning to make millions

1487
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 1: and millions of dollars from a billionaire league, Like, how

1488
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: is he not feeding into the system too? If that's

1489
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: his whole gripe is whether or not I can do this,

1490
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: Like is he changing things on it? Like what is that?

1491
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 1: Because you're expecting him to change things from the inside

1492
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: by kneeling, you know. So it's but instead of pointing

1493
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: that out, which I didn't do that, Like if I

1494
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: even feel like an observation like that, I keep it

1495
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: to the podcast or I'll keep it on my page

1496
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 1: or something like that. But I just started being like,

1497
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: fuck it, all right, agree to disagree, you know, like

1498
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:39,799
Speaker 1: I can still love and respect you and agree to disagree.

1499
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: I can still feel like like you don't have to

1500
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 1: feel that way about me and call me every fucking

1501
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: level of coon if you want to. But if you

1502
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 1: really believe that something's wrong with you, you know, they ain't

1503
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 1: made the motherfucker that can call me a coon to

1504
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: make me believe it. Period. So you know, it's cool

1505
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 1: if that's how people feel, that's how people feel. But

1506
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 1: I definitely reading that article this morning, I was like, yes, yes,

1507
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 1: like this is righteous. This is what righteous is. It's

1508
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 1: not just I don't know, it's not just this shit

1509
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: where we yell at each other all.

1510
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 2: Day, right, and like, for me, a lot of that

1511
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 2: stuff over the years, just watching social media and watching

1512
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:24,640
Speaker 2: how people respond and watching how people react, and you know,

1513
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 2: thinking about the the election and Trump got you know,

1514
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 2: president and all that stuff. You know, I went through

1515
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 2: a lot.

1516
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 1: Of emotional hurting, pain and shit like that. So for me,

1517
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 1: I had to learn how to be like, this shit

1518
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: ain't really that important. And I pick up shit too,

1519
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:43,599
Speaker 1: And before you know it, you have.

1520
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 2: Picked up other people's burdens, other people's problems, other people's issues,

1521
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 2: all this other shit and shit online. All of a sudden,

1522
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 2: it's kind of manifesting itself in your real life. About uh,

1523
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 2: you end up consuming so much of these people in

1524
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 2: your circles that it can really you up. And I

1525
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 2: can speak for me personally that I had to be like,

1526
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 2: you know what this Why am I carrying baggage?

1527
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 1: It's not mine?

1528
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 2: So I had to learn how to let that baggage

1529
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 2: go to get to the root of the problem, to

1530
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 2: realize I picked up the baggage because the bag I

1531
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 2: accidentally mistake. The baggage is mine because my baggage was

1532
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 2: so close to it. You know, how you go through

1533
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 2: and the luggage comes around you, but ooh, that's my bag.

1534
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 2: Then you get it, but I notice ain't my bag.

1535
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 2: Shit just got more shit than myself in it, but

1536
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 2: you hold onto it anyway. So you know, I had

1537
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 2: to learn how to just be like, you know what,

1538
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 2: I'm picking and choosing what I consume, how much of

1539
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:31,560
Speaker 2: it I consume.

1540
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 1: And guess what.

1541
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 2: Sometimes that means I'm not going to be in the

1542
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 2: note and I'm okay with the not knowing. A lot

1543
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 2: of people have this fear of missing out, which is

1544
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 2: also a factor in a lot of this, And the

1545
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,759
Speaker 2: fear of missing out would allow people to just jump

1546
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 2: in and just say reckless shit and all that shit

1547
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 2: because they have got to be with the crowds. But

1548
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 2: growing up as a kid, I've never been a part

1549
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 2: of the crowd. I remember the part of the click.

1550
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 2: I've always been a square. I've always been an odd boss.

1551
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: I'm used to not being included. Yeah. Well, the thing

1552
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 1: I think about is actually, like, you know, because doing

1553
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 1: this job is me keeping up with all this shit,

1554
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 1: you know, And you know, I've been kind of just

1555
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 1: slowly changing the format of the show a little bit.

1556
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 1: You know, we talk take deeper dives in the topics

1557
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 1: that aren't topical, stuff that's not news, article related and stuff,

1558
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 1: but also taking more breaks, like that's one of the

1559
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 1: reasons I do want to take breaks more often, and

1560
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 1: are we are taking breaks more often because I'm like,

1561
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 1: I need to be away from these things for a bit,

1562
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 1: you know, because being on social media too, even as

1563
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 1: part of promotion or just simply to see what the

1564
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: topics are. We know that these places are toxic places

1565
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:45,600
Speaker 1: or can be. They can be toxic places. And we

1566
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 1: know this because this is what I meant to bring

1567
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 1: up earlier. She was talking about a lot of this

1568
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 1: happens online, right, Well, we also know that they've we've

1569
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 1: had social media now long enough where studies are starting

1570
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 1: to come back with results. People are being fucked up

1571
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: by social media, yes they are, you know, maybe it's

1572
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 1: checking their egg shit. But whatever's happening, we know it

1573
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,640
Speaker 1: ain't all healthy. And we also know like a Facebook

1574
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: can make an algorithm that says I'm going to depress

1575
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 1: you and it can work. Think about that like that

1576
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: we know that exists, like that, that's crazy, that that

1577
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 1: is insane, that that exists. That they have studied our

1578
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: brains enough to where they go we know what things

1579
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 1: you will buy by clicking on this ad. But more

1580
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 1: importantly than that, we can also use this to be like,

1581
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 1: let's make you depressed. Let's show you everybody who disagrees

1582
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 1: with you. Let's show you all your friends who sub

1583
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: facebooked you. They know how to do that. Let's show

1584
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 1: the conflicts between your friends. Okay, one of your friends

1585
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 1: is getting along with another one of your friends. Let's

1586
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 1: show you both their statuses back to back. You see

1587
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So like they know what they're doing.

1588
01:22:56,120 --> 01:23:00,680
Speaker 1: And in order to navigate this for the positives of

1589
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: it or whatever, you're gonna have to go through a

1590
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 1: lot of negatives. And I think now we're starting to

1591
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:06,560
Speaker 1: see some of the results. And I think there was

1592
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 1: a time where people thought this new tool of the Internet,

1593
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,679
Speaker 1: making things go viral, using it to call out people,

1594
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,640
Speaker 1: companies and other stuff, this is going to change the

1595
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 1: way of life and look for companies, and people got

1596
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: quote unquote used to it as a way of life.

1597
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 1: I think maybe it did shock a few people into

1598
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: being like, yo, I need to be better. But then

1599
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: at some point it became the other side of that

1600
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 1: where people see it and they go ooh, your tweet

1601
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 1: went viral because you told Caitlyn Jenner or go fuck herself. Well,

1602
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna be the person that says Kaitlyn Jenner

1603
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 1: can go fuck herself one hundred times a day until

1604
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 1: one of my tweets go viral. You know. Like one

1605
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 1: of the things I do sometimes is I click on

1606
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 1: somebody's profile and especially if I'm like about to say

1607
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 1: something to them that like if I'm about to say

1608
01:23:56,360 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 1: something mean or caddy or whatever dismissive, or they're saying

1609
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 1: something to me, well, I'm just like I want to

1610
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: say something back because I'm like, wow, really, you just

1611
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: gonna talk about me like that. I'll click on their

1612
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 1: profile and start scrolling down, and baby is not even

1613
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 1: like it's uncanny. It is almost always they have no retweets,

1614
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 1: they have no likes, they have followers, They have no

1615
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 1: interactions with people, even if they share followers with me.

1616
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 1: People follow anybody that's mean shit, even if they out

1617
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 1: it's yet like no one it's a crow for help.

1618
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 1: No one's really talking to them, you know what I mean,

1619
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 1: Like they not have conversations, like like they like there's

1620
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 1: something inside that's missing, you know, And it makes me

1621
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 1: sad when I see it. I actually get sad. And

1622
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be because this person is normally the reason

1623
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm even looking at the accounts because they just said

1624
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 1: it's some wild, foul shit to me. But I get

1625
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 1: sad for them because I'm like, damn, dog, what's your

1626
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 1: life like? You know, like like you just said, like

1627
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 1: if you're like, uh, I don't know, fuck you for

1628
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And then I go on your account

1629
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 1: and I'll see at bomani yall's fuck you, at Jamail,

1630
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 1: he'll fuck you, so like ask so and so fuck

1631
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 1: you like that a tweet? Yes, yeah, what what's your

1632
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:11,719
Speaker 1: life like? Dog? So I don't know. I think about

1633
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 1: that shit a lot, and me.

1634
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 2: And you kind of function, and I do understand that

1635
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 2: me and you kind of function look different, you know,

1636
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 2: me I have to be like the fuck is this?

1637
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: Like I know, you know, because that's.

1638
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 2: That's because a lot of that is good or bad indifference.

1639
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 2: That's the protection mechanism for me. And sometimes it's to

1640
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 2: the extreme, you know, because I'm like, oh.

1641
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 1: Oh, this is some I'm more quick to be like

1642
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: this is some bullshit and tap out, and Roger got

1643
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 1: to kind of calm me down, you know, even with

1644
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 1: some of the fans there is this and he was like, well, baby,

1645
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 1: you gotta read and understand what they're saying. Well, sometimes

1646
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 1: even when it's not that's the other part. Sometimes, even

1647
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 1: when it's a person that is not them being mean,

1648
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 1: right right, a lot of us crave interaction. We're not

1649
01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 1: getting that, we're not getting interaction, and so online becomes

1650
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 1: this place where you hope to get inter like it's

1651
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 1: like fishing, you know, even for the positives. You know,

1652
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:08,560
Speaker 1: there's people that spend all day calling folks out and

1653
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: the only interaction they ever had with people is when

1654
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 1: they call people out. So what do you think they're

1655
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 1: gonna do all day call people out? There's people that

1656
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 1: acting stupid and ignorant. It is a thing that does it. Like,

1657
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 1: there's people that have been satisfied with Listen, I go online,

1658
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 1: I act homophobic, and that's when people interact with me good, good,

1659
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 1: badter and different. And I'm happy and satisfied with that

1660
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 1: level of interaction because because if I just say I

1661
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 1: had a sandwich for lunch, I'm getting zero. If I

1662
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 1: just talk about my regular life, you know, I'm not

1663
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 1: gonna get all this attention, you know, So I do

1664
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 1: think that's you know, Like so anyway, her talking about

1665
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 1: that in the article made me think about like online

1666
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: versus real life and how much of that matters, you know,

1667
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 1: because it's people always get mad, like, are you discrediting

1668
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 1: the online movements? No movements starts online, but if they

1669
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 1: don't have an impact offline, then they didn't happen. Come on,

1670
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, it has to have some impact, that's the

1671
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 1: whole point. At some point, you're gonna have to get

1672
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 1: out of your chair, get off your phone, talk to

1673
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 1: some people in the.

1674
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 2: Face, raise money, talk to somebody's shake hands, have meet and.

1675
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 1: So if you want to change shit, you're gonna have

1676
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 1: to everybody's right from their phone. We'll always write about

1677
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 1: the right shit on the phone, but you gotta if

1678
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: you want to like literally organize the shit, somebody gotta

1679
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 1: go out here and talk to some actual people about

1680
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 1: organizing it. You know, it's just what it is. So

1681
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:33,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we are all getting the

1682
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 1: receipts for social media just now. So we're learning another

1683
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: thing that was viral and people were talking about if

1684
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 1: someone actually emailed us and wanted us to talk about this,

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01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 1: and I didn't have anything to say about it because

1686
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 1: I've been thinking differently about some of these things lately.

1687
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 1: But uh, fort of Americans admit that they were they

1688
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 1: wear the same underwear for two days or more in

1689
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 1: a row survey line, oh you don't watch your draws.

1690
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 1: The company called Tommy John Survey two thousand minut and

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01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 1: women and how long they were their underwear as well

1692
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 1: as how long they keep the items. Since underwear hot

1693
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 1: gene is is typically kept behind closed doors, we were

1694
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 1: curious to see the habits of Americans and their dirty laundry.

1695
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 1: Survey said went into American Survey study that they won

1696
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 1: the same pair underwear for two days or more. The

1697
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 1: survey study the conventional wisdom and basic common sense indicate

1698
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 1: underwear should be changed every day or at least washed

1699
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 1: after everywhere. But when researchers spoke with the thousand of

1700
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,719
Speaker 1: the survey, they found the basic standard wasn't universal. Forty

1701
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 1: of the people surveyed admitted to wearing the same pair

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01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 1: on multiple days, with thirteen percent saying they wanted for

1703
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:47,840
Speaker 1: a week or more a week. There go, right, So

1704
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 1: obviously we can do the typical like the same thing

1705
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 1: people did with leg washing and all that shit. I'm

1706
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 1: sure people are trying to make this a white versus

1707
01:28:56,600 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 1: black people thing. I know, right right, Yeah, here's what

1708
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 1: I thought. What about people that's poor? That's true, right,

1709
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 1: But we get off on laughing at this shit, So

1710
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 1: fuck them for people? Ha ha, you got I would

1711
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 1: have saved draw a poor person. What if you work

1712
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 1: two jobs and you work at McDonald's or some shit

1713
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 1: like that, Like you don't like what if? Like this

1714
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 1: is like I actually, while searching for this study, I

1715
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 1: found something else that made me really think. So I

1716
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 1: had put I thought this. I thought this survey said

1717
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 1: forty three percent of Americans do this, So I put in.

1718
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:29,719
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I don't I gotta go find

1719
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 1: a copy of the survey. So survey, I mean just

1720
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 1: the study. So let me just like google forty three percent,

1721
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 1: and they filled in forty three percent of Americans out

1722
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 1: had inner right in it. And what came back was

1723
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 1: forty three percent of Americans it meant they're too tired

1724
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 1: to function at work? Whoa forty three percent of Americans

1725
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 1: admit that they're too tired to function at work forty

1726
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 1: five percent? What's really the difference? All right, we're talking

1727
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: about two percent difference in this study well within the

1728
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:04,600
Speaker 1: margin era. How many motherfuckers in America are overworked, you know,

1729
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 1: dealing like life, the quality of life is fucked up,

1730
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: and that's when shit like this falls to the cracks normally.

1731
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 1: Like sure, there's gonna be some people that have all

1732
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 1: the means and all the you know, and just voluntarily

1733
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 1: walk around I wear the same pair of underwear. Make

1734
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,720
Speaker 1: a TV show about me. We've seen those, like the

1735
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: Impossible Cheap Skate type TV shows where it's like I,

1736
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: I wear the same underwear for a week. It saves

1737
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 1: me on laundry. You know, We've seen those people who

1738
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 1: voluntarily do it. I'm not trying to defend them. I

1739
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 1: do think something's wrong with that, and I do think

1740
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 1: that if you can afford to have better hygiene and

1741
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 1: of course, but how much of us in our own privileges, like, well,

1742
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 1: yeah I can. I would never wear the same underwhere

1743
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 1: two times in one and I would never wear underwear

1744
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 1: back to back, of course, not I don't have to.

1745
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 1: I've never really had to. And that's the truth. I've

1746
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:57,800
Speaker 1: always been been privileged in that area, and never even

1747
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 1: with my parents, even in roseland even in the government housing.

1748
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 1: Never been that broke, but I have had relatives that broke.

1749
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 1: I have had friends that broke. So it made me

1750
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 1: put a different perspective on it, like you know, knowing,

1751
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 1: like we all can identify with being too fucking tired

1752
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,679
Speaker 1: to even function at work, Yes we can. It should

1753
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 1: not be that way in a country forty five percent

1754
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 1: of us, one out of every two. And you know,

1755
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 1: many of those people are working two jobs. They're working

1756
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 1: two jobs, no health care, underpaid, come on, over educated

1757
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 1: for the jobs, overqualified for some of the jobs. People

1758
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 1: are depressed as why people quot to quoteine wait for

1759
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 1: the weekend right. Eighty one percent of the probability based

1760
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:50,439
Speaker 1: survey responders have jobs that are at high risk for

1761
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 1: fatigued positions that require sustaining attention or are physically or

1762
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:56,760
Speaker 1: cognitively demanding, such as driving a vehicle or working at

1763
01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 1: construction site. One of the most starling statistics found by

1764
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 1: the service that ninety seven percent of Americans say they

1765
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:06,759
Speaker 1: have at least one of the leading nine risk factors

1766
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 1: for fatigue, which includes working the night early morning, working

1767
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 1: long shifts without regular work breaks, working more than fifty

1768
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: hours each week, and then during long commutes. Seventy six

1769
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 1: percent of workers say they feel tired of work, fifty

1770
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 1: three percent say felt less productive, forty four percent said

1771
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 1: they had trouble focusing. So lack of sleep because you

1772
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:30,599
Speaker 1: working through a three jobs because you what you ain't

1773
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 1: doing sleeping. So maybe it seems unrelated or whatever, could

1774
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:37,599
Speaker 1: be impath overload on my part. But to me, seeing

1775
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 1: both of those studies kind of coincidentally at the same time,

1776
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't even really have jokes for

1777
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 1: the shit, Like I know that, you know, you nasty ass.

1778
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:49,600
Speaker 1: Put the watch your jaws. I know that's gonna be

1779
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 1: the vast majority of it takes. You're gonna hear anyone

1780
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 1: can make those same observations, I'm sure. But you know,

1781
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 1: obviously and obviously if you have the means, but always

1782
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 1: really doing is just exposing how far good we got it.

1783
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 1: The fact that we have never had to make that consideration.

1784
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 1: I've never had to consider that.

1785
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I've never had to you know, the

1786
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 2: same socks, none of that. I've always had been blessed

1787
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 2: in that area of my life.

1788
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, uh talking with BOSSI uh, she said,

1789
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 1: just actually on the read, you know, so it's not

1790
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 1: like some secret thing. But she was like, you know,

1791
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 1: will you ever have mental health struggles and you're dealing

1792
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 1: with certain like bounce of depression and stuff. Part of

1793
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 1: some of the first things to go are like hygiene things,

1794
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:40,880
Speaker 1: you know. And so we're all online in our own

1795
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 1: type of privilege, mocking this shit, you know, not aware

1796
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 1: of the people around us that like, look, if you're

1797
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:49,320
Speaker 1: depressed and you want to die, you feel like you

1798
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 1: shouldn't be here, then you know, you ain't like, well,

1799
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 1: what's the point of ucking, you know, doing any of

1800
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:59,639
Speaker 1: this this shit? You know? So I don't know, man,

1801
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it's just how I'm feeling today

1802
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 1: or whatever. But or I saw it, I wasn't even

1803
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:06,679
Speaker 1: feeling like I'm about to go in on this shit,

1804
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 1: you dirty draws as like. I was really just like, man,

1805
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 1: who knows what the fuck is going on with people? Man?

1806
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 1: So much shit happened we ain't not aware of, you know,

1807
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:20,559
Speaker 1: God forbid you uh you uh, you know fall into

1808
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 1: this list of one of these categories or whatever. So

1809
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 1: and I'm assuming people that don't have the uh, I'm

1810
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 1: assuming that a lot of people that don't do it

1811
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 1: probably do not have the means to do it or

1812
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 1: right right, So I'm assuming that they don't have access

1813
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 1: to laundry mats. They might not have the money for

1814
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 1: laundry mats. Yeah, I'm assuming That's what my guess would be.

1815
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:53,640
Speaker 1: If people can most people that can afford to do

1816
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 1: to not do that would do it just for the

1817
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,240
Speaker 1: fure period, like shame of it or just you know,

1818
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 1: the luxury of being clean. But cleanliness to a certain

1819
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:05,840
Speaker 1: extent is a privilege in America. Yes, it is clean shovels.

1820
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:13,599
Speaker 1: So anyway, good luck man. You know, I don't like,

1821
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,519
Speaker 1: like I said, maybe, and I think with the leg

1822
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 1: washing thing, the reason that really became problems because someone

1823
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 1: online said they was like a white person and said

1824
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 1: it like prominently, like y'all wash your legs, And of

1825
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:30,120
Speaker 1: course that makes it more salatious. I'm sure if somebody

1826
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 1: would have said online, y'all niggas actually wear draws one

1827
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 1: day and change them, couldn't be me, then then of

1828
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:38,760
Speaker 1: course I would have some jokes for it. But that's

1829
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:42,719
Speaker 1: not how I was interesting. It just made me immediately

1830
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 1: think like, damn out here makes people can and shit

1831
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 1: like how fucking fucked up his life. You can't even

1832
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 1: now change your underwear, man, And I'm still a cold hearted,

1833
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 1: funny person. I mean, the jokes is a joke. The

1834
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 1: jokes is the jokes, y'all. I mean, I don't want

1835
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 1: you all to feel like I show no who was

1836
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 1: like wash your drawers? Yeah, I don't feel like I'm not.

1837
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to take away y'all fun. If I

1838
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,560
Speaker 1: see y'all making jokes, I'm not gonna come along and

1839
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:11,799
Speaker 1: be like, but what about the babies? I understand, speaking

1840
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 1: of which, less how long we've been going? All right,

1841
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 1: let's do some uh, let's do guess the rights. I

1842
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna I think fucking with black people,

1843
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:25,559
Speaker 1: it's probably all bad. Ship me see old bad shit.

1844
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:31,560
Speaker 1: Take a quick look. Can it always old bad? No,

1845
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 1: it's not always all bad. Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead

1846
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 1: skip it though, did you did you take you to

1847
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:42,800
Speaker 1: take a piece of I took a look in there,

1848
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 1: and it's like Donald Glover coming in there, going this happened.

1849
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 1: I took a look and Donald Glover was in there

1850
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:50,200
Speaker 1: with a birthday cake backing out. So everything, we'll do

1851
01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 1: some guests the race. Now that it's time for some

1852
01:36:55,400 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 1: guests the race. That's right, it's guests the race time. Time.

1853
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 1: Now that it is time for some guests the race.

1854
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:09,880
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1855
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:13,559
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1856
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,880
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1857
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:17,720
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1858
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 1: our contests today Karen and the chat room to guests race,

1859
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:27,720
Speaker 1: and of course everybody playing is races. So let's put

1860
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 1: our empathy away and start talking shit about criminals. All right,

1861
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:41,080
Speaker 1: Uh Uber you know what? Mm hmm, sorry about earlier, y'all. Uh.

1862
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 1: Uber East driver arrested for filing false kidnapping report. Oh

1863
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:50,440
Speaker 1: and Uber East driver who told debidies a man kidnapped

1864
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:53,879
Speaker 1: her during the delivery the Newport Richie has been arrested.

1865
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 1: At the investigator said she lied the Pascal Pascal County

1866
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:05,040
Speaker 1: Shrif's office had Thirty five year old Heidi Schmutz claimed

1867
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 1: a man got in her car as she was loading

1868
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:09,719
Speaker 1: her vehicle with food. Then at the Dennis in Newport,

1869
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:14,040
Speaker 1: Richie at three am. Damn man, the gig economy is

1870
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 1: some bullshit. Denny's at three am. No one should be there.

1871
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:23,439
Speaker 1: That's actually where crime happens. If you say, Siri, show

1872
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:25,559
Speaker 1: me where crime is located, they'll be like three am

1873
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 1: at Dennis.

1874
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:29,000
Speaker 2: So somebody was ordering Uber Eat because they're probably the

1875
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 2: only thing on the list.

1876
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:37,360
Speaker 1: Denise, Yeah and waffle house list. Schmut said the man

1877
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 1: told her to start driving, that she had a gun,

1878
01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 1: that he had said he had a gun. That's why

1879
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 1: her story was believable. She said, Listen, I got stuck

1880
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 1: up at the Dennis. Everybody was like, oh okay, say

1881
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 1: no more, Denis. You can go home. Man, we'll get

1882
01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:50,960
Speaker 1: to looking for this crime, she told investigators. He then

1883
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:53,920
Speaker 1: fortunately took herself one and repeatedly grabbed her breast against

1884
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 1: her will. Schmutz claimed she told the man she needed

1885
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 1: to make the delivery or someone would get suspicious or

1886
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 1: what happened her. She then said she tried to get

1887
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 1: the attention of the person who purchased the food for help,

1888
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 1: but was unsuccessful. When she filed the report with debuties,

1889
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 1: she told them the man forced her to drive to

1890
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 1: a motel park, allow she was ultimately able to flee.

1891
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:15,800
Speaker 1: Deputy's then arrested the man that she said carjacktor So

1892
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:20,720
Speaker 1: there was a man who was arrested, but once investigators

1893
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:23,000
Speaker 1: reviewed a bailous video from the motel, they said Smokes

1894
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:25,719
Speaker 1: did not appear to be in distress. When deputies questioned

1895
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:28,879
Speaker 1: Schmuts about inconsistence in their stories, they said, she eventually

1896
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 1: admitted she made the story up. She told investigators she

1897
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 1: had agreed to give the man a ride in exchange

1898
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 1: for cash, but when he didn't have money to pay her,

1899
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:37,680
Speaker 1: she decided to make a false report and exaggerated the

1900
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 1: claims and make them sound more believable. Deputy's arrested Smuts

1901
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 1: and charged show with fouling and false report. However, be

1902
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:45,800
Speaker 1: up to the state's attorney or whether charges against the

1903
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 1: man will be dropped. So he's still facing charges. Wow,

1904
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 1: guess the race of Haider Schmuts careen, She's white, he's black.

1905
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:56,719
Speaker 1: I don't have a race of the man, but okay,

1906
01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:59,960
Speaker 1: let's check the chat room. H called the pope pe

1907
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 1: on everybody white backing with the capitalistic heart. White white woman,

1908
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:14,680
Speaker 1: white Florida woman. Uh. The correct essa is everybody went

1909
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 1: white and you got it right. And that's her right there,

1910
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:37,680
Speaker 1: and she is pretty white. Oh yes, she is one

1911
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:39,880
Speaker 1: of the whitest looking women I've ever seen. To be

1912
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:43,559
Speaker 1: honest with y'all, she like she could be enough the

1913
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:47,200
Speaker 1: white power movement. She really does. And I did get

1914
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:49,639
Speaker 1: the feeling reading it that the dude must have been

1915
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:54,680
Speaker 1: black mm dropping charges. Yeah, like that seemed like a

1916
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 1: pure white woman move Uh. And he was grabbing my

1917
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:01,559
Speaker 1: titties too, get them for right? Mm hmm yep, all

1918
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 1: of it. Let's see police crab leg bandit allegedly steals

1919
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:18,640
Speaker 1: groceries from elders Berg's Martin's, tries to hit employee with

1920
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 1: her car. Mm hmmm, so you stole grab l try

1921
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:27,080
Speaker 1: to employee with their car while you're leaving. A woman

1922
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:30,559
Speaker 1: allegedly tried to hit a Martin's Food employee with her

1923
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:33,760
Speaker 1: food with her car in Eldersburg when he confronted her

1924
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:38,640
Speaker 1: by stelling groceries. August fourteen. What m h why are

1925
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 1: you outside the store? What in the jameis Winston is happening?

1926
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:47,439
Speaker 1: You can have that shit. Shana Shanna Sea Front twenty

1927
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:51,400
Speaker 1: seven was released on seven thousand dollars bail. August fifteenth.

1928
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:56,400
Speaker 1: Front was charged with UH first degree of assault, second

1929
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:59,439
Speaker 1: degree assault, theft the property value between one hundred and

1930
01:41:59,479 --> 01:42:02,200
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars. She got a lot of crab leg

1931
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:03,960
Speaker 1: Yes she did, and I didn't know we could hit

1932
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:07,920
Speaker 1: you with first and second free reckless driving, driving without

1933
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:12,839
Speaker 1: a license, failing to give insurance information, breaking all the rules.

1934
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 1: What else happening? It's more? Uh? Yeah, felling to give

1935
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 1: insurance information after being involved in the accident, falling to

1936
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:26,320
Speaker 1: furnish require wait, not an article, move required written identification,

1937
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:28,680
Speaker 1: not to damage occurred, fail in the notifier owner of

1938
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:32,599
Speaker 1: an unattended vehicle of damaged calls, and failing to stop

1939
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:37,480
Speaker 1: after a vehicle accident involving damage. According to online court records,

1940
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:42,719
Speaker 1: she must take the whole crab leg section. A store

1941
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:48,000
Speaker 1: employee refer to Brunt to refer to the front to

1942
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:52,080
Speaker 1: police as the crab leg bandit. According to the statement,

1943
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:55,800
Speaker 1: who the hell was that employee? Why she feeling here

1944
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 1: with crab legs? A lice? The crab leg bandit? Uh?

1945
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 1: The employee and Martin's saw a shopper matching the description

1946
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:06,320
Speaker 1: of a previous steff suspect and follow her around the

1947
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:09,400
Speaker 1: store all she could return to the scene of the crime.

1948
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:13,880
Speaker 1: I see yay say watched their leader store without paying

1949
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 1: for groceries and then followed into the parking lot and

1950
01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 1: asked she paid. Front put the groceries in her maroon

1951
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:23,639
Speaker 1: Toyota Avalon shouted at the employee and tried to drive

1952
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:25,760
Speaker 1: her car into the employee. According to the statement, the

1953
01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:29,759
Speaker 1: employee moved behind another vehicle to avoid being hit. Front's

1954
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:33,040
Speaker 1: car struck a white GMC Yukon parked in a lot,

1955
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:38,360
Speaker 1: and then Front forred fled. The employee was uninjured, according

1956
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:40,400
Speaker 1: to the statement, so they hid behind the car. The

1957
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 1: only reason they weren't hit is because they hit behind

1958
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:47,759
Speaker 1: the car and Front hit that car instead. Security camera

1959
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:50,880
Speaker 1: footage from the store show Front entered the store with

1960
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:54,360
Speaker 1: empty bags, taking crab legs from the self served freezer bed,

1961
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:57,360
Speaker 1: putting them in the bags in her car, grabbing a

1962
01:43:57,400 --> 01:44:01,559
Speaker 1: frozen seafood box from another bend, and then walking down

1963
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:05,240
Speaker 1: other aisles where cameras could not could not capture what

1964
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:07,479
Speaker 1: she picked up. So it sounded to me like she

1965
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:10,640
Speaker 1: was a socialist. Okay, she just didn't believe in, you know,

1966
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:15,439
Speaker 1: putting any money in this capitalistic enterprise of selling krab legs,

1967
01:44:15,439 --> 01:44:19,160
Speaker 1: and I support that, Okay, I'll stayed with her. The

1968
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:22,599
Speaker 1: camera footage showed Front leaving the store with her card

1969
01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:25,880
Speaker 1: full of groceries without paying at nine forty five am,

1970
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:28,759
Speaker 1: or she was still early in the morning. Cameras also

1971
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:31,000
Speaker 1: record the incident in the parking lot. The employee who

1972
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:33,439
Speaker 1: dodged Front's card took a picture of her license plate,

1973
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 1: which police used to locate the owner. A goddamn super

1974
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:41,800
Speaker 1: employee fuged that and he told police that Front lives

1975
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 1: with him. The statement reaes, oh he snitched what. Police

1976
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:48,840
Speaker 1: showed up to the address that was on the plate.

1977
01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:53,240
Speaker 1: License plate linked to the license plate, and the dude

1978
01:44:53,320 --> 01:44:56,160
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, she lived with me, so we aren't

1979
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:59,400
Speaker 1: here eating crab legs. You want you? Also, what's the problem?

1980
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 1: She said? Yeah? He said that. The Toyota avaline was

1981
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:05,479
Speaker 1: told to his residence later that day. Front did oh,

1982
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:08,320
Speaker 1: so did she? Wow. Front did not immediately return a

1983
01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 1: call for comment, and no Eterney information for her was

1984
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:17,559
Speaker 1: listed online. Wow. And she, of course has a court

1985
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:23,120
Speaker 1: date except Tomber eleventh. Care just the race, aren't Karen saying? Black?

1986
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:25,320
Speaker 1: Let's check the chat room and see what they believe.

1987
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:33,200
Speaker 1: What's the name again, Shanna uh Shanna Christina Front? Black?

1988
01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:37,679
Speaker 1: All right, let's check chat room. Uh not those crabs,

1989
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:41,040
Speaker 1: the other kind. White didn't die or get abused by

1990
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:43,519
Speaker 1: police when she was arrested because of all those charges.

1991
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:46,880
Speaker 1: Becky with her own recyclable bags and steal her food. White,

1992
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:53,519
Speaker 1: out of my way, bitch, black black, I'll go straight, Heidi. White. White.

1993
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 1: Crabs out the barrel, Crabs out the barrel. All right,

1994
01:45:57,720 --> 01:46:01,439
Speaker 1: the guests, the asses are in. And Karen said black

1995
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:08,040
Speaker 1: And the correct answer is black, your tuber tooth. So

1996
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:24,920
Speaker 1: far many of many of you said white. You were wrong,

1997
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 1: niggas love crab leggs. I bet you. She was going

1998
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:39,240
Speaker 1: down the other aisle, still in the milted butter. She

1999
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 1: did some seafood. That must have been the hour they

2000
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:46,479
Speaker 1: couldn't see everything. Yeah, the mildle butter. She was like,

2001
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 1: let me get twelve cases of butter too. It's all well.

2002
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:53,400
Speaker 1: She would have got away from it too, if it

2003
01:46:53,479 --> 01:46:58,880
Speaker 1: wasn't for that pesky employee who happened to live with her. No,

2004
01:46:59,120 --> 01:47:02,560
Speaker 1: the employee didn't let her the car she was in.

2005
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:07,599
Speaker 1: They went to that person's address. Oh no, but yeah,

2006
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:10,360
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for that employee being fucking superman running

2007
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 1: out of the parking lot, that trying to get what

2008
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 1: was it, Martin's trying to get Martin's money for the

2009
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:19,640
Speaker 1: fucking grocery chain. Couldn't be your boy, It couldn't have

2010
01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:21,599
Speaker 1: been me. Now, well, yes, it's a lady out there.

2011
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:23,120
Speaker 1: She might be going by the time y'all got here,

2012
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:25,880
Speaker 1: but she stole some shit. You think the employee was black, too,

2013
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:41,759
Speaker 1: possibility in a barrel. I think the employee was white,

2014
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:45,000
Speaker 1: super employees. I was just wanted to get that joke here, Karen,

2015
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:49,439
Speaker 1: It's over, so thank you for helping me set the

2016
01:47:49,520 --> 01:48:01,599
Speaker 1: joke up. Oh you welcome. All right, voters around, double

2017
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:08,439
Speaker 1: saying the race, double the po saying the race, that's

2018
01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:10,400
Speaker 1: all right, double the points double the rice bought us around.

2019
01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:12,880
Speaker 1: Guess the race so far caring is actually two four two?

2020
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:17,400
Speaker 1: But can she end on a high note? I hope so.

2021
01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:19,400
Speaker 2: And then, uh, the reason why I said it was

2022
01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:22,880
Speaker 2: white probably because most of the black people is in

2023
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:26,040
Speaker 2: the forty five percent this time, We're like, she, I'm

2024
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:27,320
Speaker 2: not going out there running after you.

2025
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:30,880
Speaker 1: I'm on my I'm on my second pair of draws

2026
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:34,160
Speaker 1: for the week. Okay, this is I don't know. I

2027
01:48:34,200 --> 01:48:36,080
Speaker 1: gotta take care of these got weddings. All the way

2028
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:37,960
Speaker 1: to Friday. I got a smooth fifteen minute break, and

2029
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:39,840
Speaker 1: I gotta go to my next job. Oh you one

2030
01:48:39,880 --> 01:48:43,040
Speaker 1: of them motor one pair of draws niggas out here? Okay, okay,

2031
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:45,760
Speaker 1: well good luck, good luck with that, my friend. I

2032
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:47,560
Speaker 1: can't afford to get hitting these in the in the

2033
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:52,519
Speaker 1: parking lot right. Hospital, can't tell these draws up. A

2034
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:55,639
Speaker 1: New Jersey woman torched a man's home after a four

2035
01:48:55,680 --> 01:49:00,840
Speaker 1: am booty call fizzled. Oh, a New Jersey woman set

2036
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:03,439
Speaker 1: fire her man's home after accepting a booty call invitation,

2037
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:05,719
Speaker 1: only to discover that when she arrived, he had fallen asleep.

2038
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:10,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I've never done this, so maybe that is

2039
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:13,519
Speaker 1: very insulting. Girl. Were you gonna let me hit that?

2040
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 1: And then you get over there and it's like, what

2041
01:49:16,439 --> 01:49:24,360
Speaker 1: the fuck is uh? Where the fuck is the dicky? Huh? Like,

2042
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:27,680
Speaker 1: I know you didn't think that I drove all this

2043
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:32,400
Speaker 1: way for some dick and somebody house not getting burned down?

2044
01:49:32,479 --> 01:49:37,040
Speaker 1: If I don't get it, I mean, what am I

2045
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:37,519
Speaker 1: wrong for?

2046
01:49:37,640 --> 01:49:37,680
Speaker 2: This?

2047
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:42,000
Speaker 1: Is this even a crime? I could have stayed at home.

2048
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:45,160
Speaker 1: I mean she had to drive over to the dick too,

2049
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:49,880
Speaker 1: She had to go to the dick. Yeah, Like I

2050
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:53,560
Speaker 1: can see why she might have got upset, right, and

2051
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 1: like the dick was coming to her. She had to

2052
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:56,400
Speaker 1: get in. She had to go out and get in

2053
01:49:56,439 --> 01:50:00,639
Speaker 1: her call. Yeah. When you have to travel to some dick,

2054
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:05,599
Speaker 1: he had better be that good good. Yeah. I feel

2055
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:07,200
Speaker 1: like she got out of the car, knocked on the door.

2056
01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:10,840
Speaker 1: He wasn't answering, and I want to do it because

2057
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:12,040
Speaker 1: it's funny. It's funny.

2058
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:19,360
Speaker 3: Do yes what I wanted to do with my friend,

2059
01:50:24,280 --> 01:50:25,320
Speaker 3: according to the cops.

2060
01:50:26,680 --> 01:50:31,519
Speaker 1: According to the cops, Taija Russell, twenty nine, torched the

2061
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:35,760
Speaker 1: victims home around four am. Russell was arrested the week

2062
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 1: this week on several felony charges, including attempt a homicide,

2063
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:42,560
Speaker 1: aggravated archer, and the aggravated assault. Damn, you're gonna have

2064
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:46,519
Speaker 1: to catch a murder charge over some dick, investigator. Ain't

2065
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:48,200
Speaker 1: no dick that God damn it, boy. And there's plenty

2066
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:50,559
Speaker 1: of dick out there, baby, plenty of it, faking real

2067
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:53,920
Speaker 1: investigator say. That's When Russell arrived at the residence, the

2068
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 1: Susan man did not hear at the front door. He

2069
01:50:56,240 --> 01:50:59,160
Speaker 1: also did not respond to a series of text messages

2070
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:03,559
Speaker 1: unable to contact Russell, went to a nearby gas station,

2071
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:06,720
Speaker 1: where she purchased lighter, fluid, matches and a cigarette lighter.

2072
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:11,400
Speaker 1: Oh shit, Now nobody asks, man, why are you buying

2073
01:51:11,439 --> 01:51:13,519
Speaker 1: all this? See now, see that's how I know the

2074
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 1: employee at the gas station was definitely black. Mm hmm,

2075
01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:18,880
Speaker 1: because you watched that and said, not my business, not

2076
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:24,680
Speaker 1: my table, don't just swipe put your card in. Good

2077
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:29,040
Speaker 1: luck to whoever she's going to see. Come on, when

2078
01:51:29,160 --> 01:51:31,320
Speaker 1: when somebody comes up to you, like, do y'all sell

2079
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:35,040
Speaker 1: gas containers? Yes, all right, I'm gonna need this empty

2080
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:39,559
Speaker 1: gas container. I'm gonna need some matches, and i'm gonna

2081
01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:45,720
Speaker 1: need some lighter fluid and a cigarette lighter, and i'm

2082
01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:49,000
Speaker 1: gonna need about seven dollars on pump num before that's

2083
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:53,960
Speaker 1: when you gotta call the cops. You're not ain't supposed

2084
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:56,599
Speaker 1: to have to ring that ship up without like getting

2085
01:51:56,680 --> 01:51:59,040
Speaker 1: Remember when you couldn't buy like two bottles of fucking

2086
01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:02,920
Speaker 1: suitor fed without I D because of Crystal Myth. There

2087
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:05,920
Speaker 1: was like, no people is doing this. Cofser turned into

2088
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:07,680
Speaker 1: Crystal Myth. So we're gonna have to put you on

2089
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:10,160
Speaker 1: some type of government registration list. I'm like, I just

2090
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:12,760
Speaker 1: got a cold. Well, too bad, nigga, the government on

2091
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:15,960
Speaker 1: your right off of a common cold, we, as far

2092
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:18,760
Speaker 1: as we concern, you walked white out this bitch right,

2093
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:24,560
Speaker 1: but we still let you buy these materials with no suspicion. Wow, No,

2094
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:27,200
Speaker 1: what is this country? What is up with this country?

2095
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:29,760
Speaker 1: It's like when them two dudes about the maga hatt

2096
01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:31,680
Speaker 1: and stuff to beat up just smo lett. It's like

2097
01:52:32,439 --> 01:52:37,000
Speaker 1: that should flag everybody anyway. Nobody can. Uh. As soon

2098
01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:40,720
Speaker 1: as I'm gonna blame blame everything on the on the

2099
01:52:41,800 --> 01:52:45,599
Speaker 1: tied and work, they'll be like, Yep, nothing new, I'm tired.

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01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:49,120
Speaker 1: As seen in the below photos, the resulting blades destroyed

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01:52:49,160 --> 01:52:54,200
Speaker 1: the one story home in Woodbury, which is right just

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01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:58,320
Speaker 1: south of Catted, just south of Campden in Philadelphia, and

2103
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:03,880
Speaker 1: the victim who escaped the flames through a window was

2104
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:07,200
Speaker 1: transported to a local hospital suffering from burns the smoke.

2105
01:53:07,240 --> 01:53:10,120
Speaker 1: In relation, the man's dog was rescued from the home

2106
01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:14,599
Speaker 1: by firefighters. Investigators quickly recovered recognized the signs of arson

2107
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:18,320
Speaker 1: like the presence of an accelerant, and launched a criminal

2108
01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:21,960
Speaker 1: investigation through interviews with the resident and other witnesses and

2109
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:25,120
Speaker 1: a review of the surveillance video. Cops identified Russell as

2110
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:27,360
Speaker 1: a religied perpetration. Yeah you think that would be an

2111
01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:31,479
Speaker 1: easy one who was burned out. Well, I was texting

2112
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:33,839
Speaker 1: somebody to come get some dick and I fell asleep.

2113
01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:38,080
Speaker 1: Say no more, fan, we got you. Russell was busted

2114
01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:40,680
Speaker 1: Tuesday and booked into the same county jail where she

2115
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:43,760
Speaker 1: is being held without bail. Karen guess the race of

2116
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:50,519
Speaker 1: Taija Russell. Oh Taija she black? Okay, Karen is going

2117
01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:59,880
Speaker 1: with black on this one. Everywhere we go. Let's see

2118
01:53:59,880 --> 01:54:03,960
Speaker 1: what the chat room? Thanks? Uh waiting? Take tail black?

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01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:07,160
Speaker 1: You got me at least a left eye. You got

2120
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:11,240
Speaker 1: me taking off my head scarf. But you ain't ready

2121
01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:14,599
Speaker 1: to put in work? Think again? Black Angela Bassett? Yup,

2122
01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:19,960
Speaker 1: Angela Bassett. Her puss A was fire black. Don't get mad.

2123
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:22,960
Speaker 1: Ho get a bag hole black black black? That dick

2124
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:26,760
Speaker 1: is fire white woman. Black. Peen says Mimi, going off

2125
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:31,840
Speaker 1: the path, beaten path. Well, mem you have been rewarded

2126
01:54:32,040 --> 01:54:50,760
Speaker 1: with a loss because she was black. Uh some me

2127
01:54:50,920 --> 01:55:02,160
Speaker 1: me said white for some reason? Boy, does she look unrepentant?

2128
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:05,680
Speaker 1: Oh she did that ship? She looked like and I

2129
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:09,840
Speaker 1: would burn everything. I'll burn the block down. Play we

2130
01:55:09,880 --> 01:55:11,960
Speaker 1: ain't play on my phone. She was like, you see

2131
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,480
Speaker 1: these ades, I will set some ship on fire, okay,

2132
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:19,440
Speaker 1: worth motherfucking every every ounce of gas, and you know

2133
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:22,040
Speaker 1: it's premeditated to she can't even get out of this ship.

2134
01:55:23,320 --> 01:55:25,560
Speaker 1: You can't even be like crime or passion, like nigga.

2135
01:55:25,600 --> 01:55:27,640
Speaker 1: You went to a whole gas station and got a

2136
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:34,120
Speaker 1: arson kit. Okay, you got the starter kit too. She

2137
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:40,480
Speaker 1: literally did want to smoke. You want the smoke breath,

2138
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:43,000
Speaker 1: and then just fucking hopped in her car and came back.

2139
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:46,040
Speaker 1: I want it. I want all the smoke broth. Okay,

2140
01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:51,120
Speaker 1: the smoke is. I'm with it. Oh my god, that's

2141
01:55:51,240 --> 01:55:56,480
Speaker 1: so fucking Oh. But you know what I've never I

2142
01:55:56,520 --> 01:55:59,640
Speaker 1: guess I've never had a no what am I doing?

2143
01:55:59,680 --> 01:56:01,200
Speaker 1: I was to make an excuse for that. She tried

2144
01:56:01,200 --> 01:56:06,120
Speaker 1: to kill somebody. No, that's ridiculous. You see how the

2145
01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:08,680
Speaker 1: vast ship work out. You see how's the evil. It's

2146
01:56:08,720 --> 01:56:12,320
Speaker 1: really the devil inside of me. Oh my god, m

2147
01:56:12,520 --> 01:56:16,920
Speaker 1: m yeah, that didn't any well, yeah, I should have

2148
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:19,640
Speaker 1: just let it burn. Come on, let it burn. That's

2149
01:56:19,680 --> 01:56:23,840
Speaker 1: what us just said. To do. Mm hmm. She was like,

2150
01:56:23,960 --> 01:56:27,680
Speaker 1: the roof, the roof is on fire. We don't even

2151
01:56:27,680 --> 01:56:31,800
Speaker 1: know what. I let the motherfucker burn burn. Motherfucker. Guess

2152
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:33,720
Speaker 1: what she was singing outside be when she left. M

2153
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:41,000
Speaker 1: h fall us another good one too, running running right?

2154
01:56:43,720 --> 01:56:46,800
Speaker 1: Oh man, Well, I'm glad that dude didn't get killed

2155
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:50,400
Speaker 1: and and I'm glad they saved the dog. Right, all right,

2156
01:56:50,800 --> 01:57:15,800
Speaker 1: let's get into the final part of the show. Were

2157
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:21,400
Speaker 1: on Fire. Drunk man argues with his friend over penmanship,

2158
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:26,240
Speaker 1: then tries to have sex with him. What and then

2159
01:57:26,280 --> 01:57:30,760
Speaker 1: a taxing with the sword? What is happening here? I mean,

2160
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:32,760
Speaker 1: I think the headline says it all, Karen, I think

2161
01:57:32,880 --> 01:57:36,480
Speaker 1: we actually do know what's happening A lot to take.

2162
01:57:38,280 --> 01:57:42,040
Speaker 1: Two men were drinking at at Sean Taylor's apartment when

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01:57:42,120 --> 01:57:44,840
Speaker 1: an argument about the quality of Taylor's handwriting broke out.

2164
01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:47,760
Speaker 1: That sounds weird at first, but they were drunk, and

2165
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:50,240
Speaker 1: it sounds even less weird compared to the subsequent events

2166
01:57:50,280 --> 01:57:53,920
Speaker 1: of the story. Again, almost certainly because he was drunk.

2167
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:56,960
Speaker 1: The argument about Taylor's handwriting transition into Taylor expressing his

2168
01:57:57,040 --> 01:57:59,600
Speaker 1: desire to have sex with his friend. His friend either

2169
01:57:59,640 --> 01:58:01,920
Speaker 1: because he's not gay, or for any other number of

2170
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:06,200
Speaker 1: reasons decline Taylor's advances. Taylor was upset that sex wasn't

2171
01:58:06,240 --> 01:58:09,920
Speaker 1: gonna happen and that his friend didn't think he was

2172
01:58:10,240 --> 01:58:15,000
Speaker 1: has good handwriting, So he left the room where they

2173
01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:17,880
Speaker 1: were hanging out and that was the end of it. Though,

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01:58:18,440 --> 01:58:20,920
Speaker 1: Oh that wasn't the end of it, though. Taylor came

2175
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:23,520
Speaker 1: back with the sword and started slicing at his crude

2176
01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:26,920
Speaker 1: penmanship snob of a friend. The victim shielded himself with

2177
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:29,520
Speaker 1: his arms and suffered serious slicnse to his four arms

2178
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:34,080
Speaker 1: while defending himself from Taylor. So Taylor was like, I'm

2179
01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:35,640
Speaker 1: gonna get some cut up one way or the other.

2180
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:42,120
Speaker 1: The man then fled the residence and was found by

2181
01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:46,200
Speaker 1: Good Samaritian cop police, Like, what happened to you? My

2182
01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:50,920
Speaker 1: friend tried to chop my case smith rings literally the

2183
01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:53,720
Speaker 1: Taylor was arrested. It was eventually arrested and charged with

2184
01:58:53,720 --> 01:58:56,160
Speaker 1: aggravated battery with a daily weapon. He's currently being held

2185
01:58:56,200 --> 01:59:00,360
Speaker 1: in Lee County Jail for twenty five thousand dollars bond. Wow,

2186
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:04,080
Speaker 1: so you're just drinking with your sword on your friend

2187
01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:07,560
Speaker 1: in his house? He started talking about penmanship and he's like,

2188
01:59:07,680 --> 01:59:10,080
Speaker 1: let me fuck and then like nah, next thing you know,

2189
01:59:10,120 --> 01:59:14,240
Speaker 1: you're getting fucking sworded down, dog, Like the fun kind

2190
01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:17,480
Speaker 1: of shit is this? Come on, these swords are dangerous man.

2191
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:21,240
Speaker 1: He shouldn't even been able to have one. This is

2192
01:59:21,560 --> 01:59:24,760
Speaker 1: no because you your z's look like rs and shit

2193
01:59:25,720 --> 01:59:27,720
Speaker 1: like now now you gotta fight in the fight of

2194
01:59:27,800 --> 01:59:31,360
Speaker 1: your life, right, good, all right, y'all, that's it for

2195
01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:33,360
Speaker 1: the day. Man. Like I said, we'll be taking a break,

2196
01:59:33,400 --> 01:59:35,240
Speaker 1: so so I don't know if I'm gonna do it

2197
01:59:35,400 --> 01:59:38,839
Speaker 1: this week or next week, but thank y'all for listening,

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01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:43,760
Speaker 1: and uh, until next time, I love you, nah,