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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 2: Injuries to quarterbacks happens every year. Really, it's a game

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Speaker 2: of attrition. Can you hold on? And if your quarterback

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Speaker 2: gets banged up? Who is your backup quarterback? And here

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Speaker 2: we go Joe Burrow, JJ McCarthy, maybe Jadeen Daniels all

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Speaker 2: set to miss some time and their teams are now

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Speaker 2: trying to figure out we got to keep our playoff

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Speaker 2: expectations here, and now you have to start to look

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Speaker 2: at your backup quarterbacks. Jake Browning is going to play

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Speaker 2: for the Bengals. I talked to somebody yesterday who's in

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Speaker 2: that circle, and they said that the Bengals probably aren't

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Speaker 2: going to kick the tires on any other quarterback. I suggested,

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Speaker 2: you know, Kirk Cousins, is that a possibility, And they

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Speaker 2: said no, or this person said no. And I don't

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Speaker 2: know if there's somebody else out there. I think they

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Speaker 2: have confidence in Jake Browning, is what I'm taking from that.

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Speaker 2: They didn't say that, but I'm taking that that they

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Speaker 2: feel good about j Browning. He's had some playing time,

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Speaker 2: he knows the system. Now the question is you hold

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Speaker 2: on for dear life? For three months. Carson Wentz, Come

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Speaker 2: on down, Carson Wentz. He used to be a thing.

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Speaker 2: His first couple of years. He was an MVP candidate.

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Speaker 2: He was probably winning the MVP until he decided to

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Speaker 2: take on a couple of Rams tacklers and blew out

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Speaker 2: his knee and was never the same. He's bounced around.

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Speaker 2: Now he's going to be in for JJ McCarthy. Jayden

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Speaker 2: Daniels were not sure justin Field's concussion protocol. We're only

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Speaker 2: two weeks into the season. That's why having that backup quarterback,

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Speaker 2: if you're a fan of a team, do your homework

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Speaker 2: and find out who your backup quarterback is. Because look

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Speaker 2: at the Niners, I don't think they're losing much mac

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Speaker 2: Jones being in there as opposed to brock Perty. I

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Speaker 2: don't think there's a big difference between the two. Jimmy

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Speaker 2: Garoppolo another backup quarterback, high end backup quarterback. You know,

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Speaker 2: you have the Falcon situation where you do have Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 2: You know, Pennix has played pretty well, but Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 2: is there, and that's probably the best high end backup

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Speaker 2: quarterback you can have. And you're certainly spending a lot

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Speaker 2: of money on them, all right, Seaton poll question from

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Speaker 2: the first hour of the program.

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Speaker 3: Is, well, we've got a couple options here, oh and

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Speaker 3: two team that will make the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: We have many, many options here.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, this is a tradition, a time honored tradition of

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Speaker 2: the Tuesday after the Monday night games.

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Speaker 3: Week two. The two teams accurate? Okay, so the starting

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Speaker 3: the AFC. Who wants so we can categorize this a

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Speaker 3: little bit. We have Jets, Dolphins, Chiefs, Browns, Texans, Titans.

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Speaker 4: That's a wide array of teams right there.

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Speaker 2: Anybody not picking the Chiefs in here, although Seton doesn't think.

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Speaker 5: They're making the playoffs. Okay, I'm riding with that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Texans, boy, that's a weird I don't know, it's

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Speaker 2: a weird feeling because it felt like we got our guy,

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Speaker 2: we got our quarterback, we got our coach, we got

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Speaker 2: some defensive players, a couple of skilled position players. Now

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Speaker 2: they got a couple of injuries there with Mixon in Dell,

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Speaker 2: and you're in a winnable.

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Speaker 5: Division, as they've proven. But c J.

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Speaker 2: Stroud last night did not look Crisp did not He

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Speaker 2: looked choppy, little choppy.

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Speaker 5: He looked choppy. That's a game you gotta win.

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Speaker 2: And but give credit to Tampa Bay because their offensive

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Speaker 2: line was decimated. Baker Mayfield played great. And what he

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Speaker 2: does that I love seeing is he's not a guy

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Speaker 2: where there's pressure and he starts to roll out right,

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Speaker 2: he steps up in the pocket. He's not a big guy,

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Speaker 2: not a tall guy, but he steps up. He climbs

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Speaker 2: not athletic, but he's decisive. And I love that element

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Speaker 2: about my quarterback. I don't want you going. He's like, okay, no,

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Speaker 2: no boom, and he was third option with the first

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Speaker 2: touchdown pass that was highlighted. Troy Aikman mentioned that it

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Speaker 2: was like boom, boom, boom, and you've got to be

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Speaker 2: decisive back there. So the Texans watching them, that's a

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Speaker 2: to win that game. So I would say I still

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Speaker 2: have my money on the Chiefs Texans in the on

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Speaker 3: With that, it kind of feels like, yeah, after the

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Speaker 3: any of those teams make the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield, with the touchdown pass fifty nine seconds to go,

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Speaker 2: the first Bucks quarterback to open a season with game

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Speaker 5: Shampa Bay opened up two.

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Speaker 2: And oh and that's the fifth consecutive year they've started

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Speaker 2: out too.

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Speaker 5: And oh, what other pole questions do you have?

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Speaker 1: There?

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Speaker 5: See no counter?

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Speaker 4: Well, we've got to finish this one because we haven't

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Speaker 4: even gotten to the NFC yet.

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, less options there though.

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Speaker 3: Okay, your NFC options for zero and two team that

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Speaker 3: will make the playoffs Giants, Bears, Panthers, Saints.

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Speaker 5: So I have to pick one, I guess. Okay, so

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Speaker 5: you have to.

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Speaker 2: Are we gonna split it with the a FC team

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Speaker 2: and the NFC team just to incorporate a couple extra

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Speaker 2: teams in there and make it interesting, because really, nobody

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Speaker 2: on that list. You're not taking anybody on that list.

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Speaker 2: It feels is it over in Chicago? You know already

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Speaker 2: after two weeks of course, it just feels like everybody

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Speaker 2: kind of came out of nowhere and it's like this

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Speaker 2: between quarterback and coach. All right, hold on to those

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Speaker 2: thoughts for the next fifteen games. We'll see Caleb Williams

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Speaker 2: I didn't think was the problem. Caleb Williams I thought

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Speaker 2: looked okay in that game. The defense didn't look good

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Speaker 2: at all. That's where i'd start. Ben Johnson is an

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator who's now a head coach. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: expect Caleb Williams to improve what you need.

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Speaker 5: And this is the hard part.

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Speaker 2: When you were athletic in college and now you're being asked,

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Speaker 2: don't be as athletic, step up in the pocket, play

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Speaker 2: more like Jared Goff does, and I.

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Speaker 5: Can coach you.

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Speaker 2: But if you continue to try to scramble out of

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Speaker 2: work for any quarterback if that's the case, because unless

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Speaker 2: you're Tomorrow or Josh Allen, and there aren't any other

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Speaker 2: ones like that, you can't escape now. Joe Burrow's athletic.

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's down for the next three months. Jaden Daniels athletic.

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Speaker 2: Is anybody he might not be able to play this

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Speaker 5: Step up in the pocket.

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Speaker 2: Trust your team and be able to throw, be able

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Speaker 2: to throw and be decisive. Those are the would be

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Speaker 2: the advice that I would be giving my young quarterback.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure Ben Johnson is saying that, Caleb, this

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Speaker 2: is in USC. You're not going to escape the pressure.

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Speaker 2: And the more you run around, the more likely it

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Speaker 2: is you either get sacked or you throw in an interception.

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Speaker 2: Let's live to call another play here. But I still

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Speaker 2: expect the Bears to be dangerous. Well, they might be dangerous.

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Speaker 2: I'm not ready to move on to next year because

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Speaker 2: Paul is like, you know, head down a little bit,

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Speaker 2: and I said, hey, come on, come on, little buckeroo,

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Speaker 6: Well I'm not jumping off cliffs and saying Ben Johnson

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Speaker 6: will be a failure like something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's a hot take, piping hot. What else

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Speaker 2: do you have, Seaton?

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Speaker 3: Let's see all right, Yes, so we had Giants, Bears, Panthers, Saints.

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Speaker 3: Now the flip side of that pole question, as we

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Speaker 3: always do, the two and oh team that won't make

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Speaker 3: the playoffs. They're currently two and oh, but they won't

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Speaker 3: make the playoffs. This is NFC heavy, AFC light, So

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Speaker 3: you have to be at least two and oh correct

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Speaker 3: to qualify for this pole question.

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Speaker 5: Yes, how about we save this one. See, I'm gonna.

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Speaker 2: Save this one. I want to save the Tom Brady

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Speaker 2: in the coaching booth last night. Oh brother, they didn't

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Speaker 2: even try to hide the fact they're showcasing Tom last night.

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Speaker 5: He's there with Chip Kelly headset on. Oh boy, Yes, Paul.

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Speaker 6: I'm could have put a Raiders hat on and a

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Speaker 6: it looks like a superstar.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he probably had makeup on.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's just sitting there looking great and he's

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Speaker 2: got his headset on next to.

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Speaker 6: Four dudes who are wearing the same exact thing headsets, hat, hoodie.

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Speaker 7: We'll get to that coming up as well. Yes, I

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Speaker 7: have a pull off last night's winners. Which team feels

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Speaker 7: more super bowlish? The Chargers or the Buccaneers.

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Speaker 5: Buccaneers Buccaneers their division.

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Speaker 2: They've won the division even with a banged up offensive line.

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Speaker 2: Godwin's not back yet, and they win that game on

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Speaker 5: I would say them now.

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Speaker 2: I expected the Chargers to win last night against the Raiders,

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Speaker 2: and I was surprised that the Raiders did not put

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Speaker 2: up a good fight, and Gino threw three interceptions. Ashton

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Speaker 2: Genty is getting used to NFL speed, by the way,

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Speaker 2: Like I'm watching and I'm going, you know, at Boise

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Speaker 2: but all of a sudden, those defensive linemen are are

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Speaker 2: those edge rushers. They can catch you, and so can

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Speaker 2: the defensive backs and the linebackers as well. And I'm going,

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Speaker 2: oh boy, you're watching somebody in real time understand NFL

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Speaker 2: speed versus college speed. Now, do I still think he'll

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Speaker 2: be a very good running back?

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Speaker 5: Yes, I do. I do.

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Speaker 2: But this is where, hey, there was a hole here,

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Speaker 2: like a second ago. Where did it go? That's the NFL.

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Speaker 2: When you throw a pass, man, you were oh wait,

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Speaker 2: he's not opening. That's the NFL. College It's like, man,

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Speaker 2: there's a hole here. Dude, you're throwing a pass to

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Speaker 2: a wide receiver. He's wide, wide, wide open. That's the difference, Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, in the NFL. NFL receivers they're wide open. Is

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Speaker 8: I have a step on this guy? Yeah, College, I

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Speaker 8: have eight steps on him. It's a whole different ballgame.

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Speaker 8: Asking that you's learning the hard.

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Speaker 5: Way, you have to throw somebody open. In the NFL.

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Speaker 2: In college, you rarely have to do that. It's there's

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Speaker 2: a window here, here's a small it just closed. It's

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Speaker 2: that quick. That's why you got to be decisive. When

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Speaker 2: you see these quarterbacks and when you go through your progressions,

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Speaker 2: your progressions are split second. It's like snapshot, no snapshot,

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Speaker 2: no boom Miller in the corner of the end.

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Speaker 5: Like it's that quick.

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Speaker 2: But that's the amazing part of those who do it

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Speaker 2: slow the game down. I don't know how they do it,

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Speaker 2: but in every sport, the great ones will tell you,

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Speaker 2: including the great one himself. He said the game slowed.

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Speaker 2: He saw the game differently. Montana talked about how he

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Speaker 2: saw the game differently. But it takes a while to

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Speaker 2: understand what am I looking at. I think we've all

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Speaker 2: gone to an art exhibit and we go, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: and then somebody else comes in and.

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Speaker 5: Go that Rothko.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's fifty million dollars, and I go, I

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Speaker 2: could have painted that. That's what it is to be

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Speaker 2: a quarterback in the NFL. It's like there's something there.

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Speaker 10: Oh, how can we think it's a conflict of interest

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Speaker 2: But you know, knowing Brady doing Brady versus Manning, Brady

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Speaker 2: But people players will have told me they wanted to

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Speaker 2: But I always whenever anybody asked me about it, I

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Speaker 10: offensive input that Belichick had, remember in two thousand and one,

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Speaker 10: Dick Raybne, who is a Patriots quarterback coach, and he

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Speaker 10: was the one who was most responsible for Belichick drafting Brady.

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Speaker 10: He wanted to take him in the third or fourth round. Well,

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Speaker 10: Dick Raybne passed away right at the beginning of training

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Speaker 10: camp in oh one, and Belichick did not hire another

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Speaker 10: quarterback coach. Charlie Weiss was your offensive coordinator, but Rayvine

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Speaker 10: is the one who worked most closely with Brady. Belichick

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Speaker 10: became the de facto quarterback coach. He sat in on

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Speaker 10: a lot of meetings with Brady and Weiss. He had

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Speaker 10: a lot of meetings by himself with Brady, and what

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Speaker 10: he would do would give Brady the perspective of the

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Speaker 10: defensive coach and how to attack a defense. He was

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Speaker 10: really instrumental in Brady's development as a quarterback. Because of

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Speaker 10: Belichick's knowledge about defense, and Belichick did become like Parcels

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Speaker 10: before him. They did become good offensive coaches. Now, they

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Speaker 10: were still known as being brilliant defensive coaches, but they

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Speaker 10: became all around coaches. So I think that Belichick's influence

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Speaker 10: on Brady early on was much greater than anybody remembers.

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Speaker 10: And I point that out in the book.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point. Yeah, before I let you go. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: do you think North Carolina is Belichick's last stop?

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Speaker 10: Yes? I don't think he'll get hired in the NFL again.

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Speaker 10: I was surprised he didn't get hired in the first

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Speaker 10: hiring cycle after he was fired in New England. We

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Speaker 10: know it came close in Atlanta and Weathercraft put the

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Speaker 10: kabash on that. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: How would he have done that, Gary, Well.

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Speaker 10: He would. He would have called Arthur Blank and said,

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Speaker 10: you don't want you don't want this. I mean, this

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Speaker 10: is what he's going to do to your organization. Dan,

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Speaker 10: That's what owners were calling Craft about him two thousand

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Speaker 10: for your own mental health. Don't hire this guy, right,

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Speaker 10: And I wouldn't be like, listen, did Craft do that

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Speaker 10: with Blank? That's what a lot of people are saying

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Speaker 10: I don't know that personally now. The second time, Belichick

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Speaker 10: wanted into the NFL so badly that he called the

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Speaker 10: intermediary with the Jets who had an influence on the

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Speaker 10: hiring process, and he called him and said, I'm interested

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Speaker 10: in the Jets job. You think she'd rather be a

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Speaker 10: sanitation worker and I'm not putting the sanitation workers down,

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Speaker 10: but we'll go working as a cook in a kitchen

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Speaker 10: before you ever want to go to the Jets, considering

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Speaker 10: the history, but he said I want that job. And

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Speaker 10: after the guy finished laughing, he said, they're not going

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Speaker 10: to hire you. There's nobody who's gonna hire Belichick. Now,

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Speaker 10: the twenty four year old girlfriend that I think has

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Speaker 10: something to do, no owner wants a part of that,

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Speaker 10: and have him explain that I think Caroline is his

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Speaker 10: last job. Whether he's going to be successful there or

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Speaker 10: not is just a question of whether he can master

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Speaker 10: the nil and the transfer portal and get himself a quarterback.

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Speaker 10: You can't win without a quarterback at any level.

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Speaker 5: He needs to Tom Brady.

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Speaker 10: He does, and maybe he can find somebody in the

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Speaker 10: transfer portal and see something in him that nobody sees

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Speaker 10: because he obviously saw a little something in Brady that

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Speaker 10: he just invested a six round picking him. But I

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Speaker 10: want to before we say he's a genius for taking him,

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Speaker 10: just remember he took six other players in that draft

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Speaker 10: before he drafted Brady, including a defensive back there nobody

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Speaker 10: has ever heard of since in the sixth round before

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Speaker 10: he took Brady. So if he knew he was going

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Speaker 10: to be anything to what he turned, if he even

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Speaker 10: thought he was going to be a starter in the league,

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Speaker 10: he would have taken him before the sixth round.

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Speaker 5: Good luck with the book. Gary, Good to connect with

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Speaker 5: you again.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Dan, thanks for having me on. It's great to

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Speaker 10: see it.

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Speaker 5: Gary Meyers, New York Time. He's best selling author.

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Speaker 2: He wrote Brady Versus Manning and the new book is

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Speaker 2: Brady Versus Belichick The Dynasty Debate.

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Speaker 2: Keen Blandino, Fox Sports, NFL college football rules analyst, former

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Speaker 2: NFL VP of Officiating watching the game.

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Speaker 5: Next thing I know. Dean Blandino's says he's done.

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Speaker 2: With the toush push. Can't officiate. I go, Dean, your

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Speaker 2: microphone is on. What was what was the reaction? Why

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Speaker 2: did you have that reaction in the moment?

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Speaker 11: That was a visceral reaction.

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Speaker 12: Look, we had the game obviously Chiefs Eagles, big Super

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Speaker 12: Bowl rematch, and you know, we had a couple of

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Speaker 12: the Eagles. Look the play, they run it better than

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Speaker 12: anyone else, and they work at it and it's impressive

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Speaker 12: what they do. But just that game, we had a

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Speaker 12: couple two two goal to goal plays. Third down looks

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Speaker 12: like Hertz is in, they rule them short. It's really

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Speaker 12: tough to review. Can't see the football all these bodies.

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Speaker 12: Next play fourth and goal, they will touchdown. You've got

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Speaker 12: both guards moving early. Should have been a false start.

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Speaker 12: Then later in the game another big first down conversion

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Speaker 12: and you've got the guard moving early. So it just

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Speaker 12: got to the point for me where i've I've never

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Speaker 12: I've been on record, I don't love the play. It

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Speaker 12: was illegal to push runners forever, you know, since the

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Speaker 12: inception of the league until two thousand and five. We

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Speaker 12: took it out, and then hindsight, I think that was

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Speaker 12: a mistake and now we're we're stuck with this play

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Speaker 12: that that is a really.

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Speaker 11: Difficult play to officiate.

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Speaker 12: It just is, and personally it's not a I just

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Speaker 12: don't think it's a great play to watch.

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Speaker 2: But you can officiate this by calling the guards, you know,

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Speaker 2: off side. Why don't we start with that.

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Speaker 5: No question?

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Speaker 11: Look, look those are those should have been called.

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Speaker 12: That's not that I'm not condoning and making an excuse

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Speaker 12: for that.

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Speaker 11: Was that should have been called.

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Speaker 12: But I think once you take that out of the mix,

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Speaker 12: it's just with all those bodies and trying to get

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Speaker 12: the spot and we're trying to be perfect on these

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Speaker 12: spots and now we have virtual measurements.

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Speaker 11: It's just a tough play.

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Speaker 12: My thing is, it's just not a it's not when

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Speaker 12: you think about the rules, it's just not a fair play.

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Speaker 12: The defense can't push the runner back and gain an advantage.

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Speaker 12: There's always forward progress, but we let the offense do it.

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Speaker 12: And look, I was watching the highlights of the Cowboys

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Speaker 12: Giants game in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 11: That's everything the NFL is. You've got, you know, Russ.

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Speaker 12: Wilson is to elite neighbors and Dak leading and then

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Speaker 12: in the history of the tush push not once.

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Speaker 11: Have I ever seen it on Sports Center's Top ten Plays?

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Speaker 11: I just haven't.

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Speaker 2: It's just I don't know how these officials spot the

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Speaker 2: ball in that scrum.

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Speaker 5: I really don't.

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Speaker 2: Now you have the overhead shot, but those the officials,

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Speaker 2: they can't rely on that overhead camera shot.

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Speaker 5: Can they just spot the ball.

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Speaker 11: After the fact in review? Yes, but you've we got

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Speaker 11: two officials.

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Speaker 12: That are down the line looking at it, and they're

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Speaker 12: they're gonna come in as the play, you know, as

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Speaker 12: the as the pile kind of starts, and try to

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Speaker 12: get a look at the football and quite frankly, look

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Speaker 12: at the goal line mechanically. And this has been the

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Speaker 12: deal forever. If they don't see the football, they're not

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Speaker 12: going to rule on it. They're going to go in

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Speaker 12: dig in the pile, and if the ball is over

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Speaker 12: the goal line at that point, that's a touchdown. And

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Speaker 12: so that ball may have been short, but eventually it

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Speaker 12: worked its way after the runner was on the ground

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Speaker 12: over the goal line.

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Speaker 11: So again, it's a tough play.

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Speaker 12: That's been look short yardage plays are tough sneaks, those

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Speaker 12: types of things, But I think this play just kind

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Speaker 12: of adds another layer to it.

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Speaker 5: But Dean.

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Speaker 2: I am shocked that the officials didn't convey this to

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Speaker 2: the owners to say we're having a hard time officiating this.

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Speaker 2: This is no bias against anybody. This is we're trying

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Speaker 2: to do our job and we can't do our job

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Speaker 2: given the context of this play. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: that's enough of an out for the NFL and these

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Speaker 2: owners this next go around. It's not a pretty play.

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Speaker 2: We know that if I can't spot the ball and

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Speaker 2: do my job, then that factors in something else. They

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Speaker 2: keep trying to say health. There's no data yet of

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Speaker 2: injuries there. You can't say, hey, somebody's gonna get hurt,

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Speaker 2: which they probably will. But you got to say, hey, guys, esthetically,

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Speaker 2: it's not pleasing and we can't do our job.

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Speaker 5: Is that enough to have them get rid of this play?

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Speaker 12: It should be when you think about like I said,

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Speaker 12: it's not we think offense, defensive balance.

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Speaker 11: It's not a fair play when you.

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Speaker 12: Do have the difficulty in officiating, and that's when you

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Speaker 12: look at rules changes, you look at player safety, you

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Speaker 12: look at competitive equity, and you look at officiating consistency.

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Speaker 12: And if you can't consistently officiate this, it's a problem.

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Speaker 12: I think everybody, look, they were two votes short of

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Speaker 12: getting it out.

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Speaker 11: I think everybody had Each club had its own reasons.

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Speaker 12: I do believe because the Eagles won the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 12: there were some teams that didn't want to come across

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Speaker 12: is we can't stop this play.

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Speaker 11: We're going to take the easy route and we're going

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Speaker 11: to vote it out.

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Speaker 12: I think if they don't win the Super Bowl and

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Speaker 12: we still have issues with this play, there's probably a

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Speaker 12: better chance that it goes away.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Dean Blandino, he used to be the head

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Speaker 2: of officials for the NFL. He doesn't need that headache anymore.

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports, NFL college football rules analysts. Even the neutral

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Speaker 2: zone like there, it seems like there's there's an infraction

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Speaker 2: on every one of these toush pushes. And I don't

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Speaker 2: the Eagles would still be successful. They they would with

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Speaker 2: with Jalen Hurts. You don't need somebody pushing from behind.

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Speaker 2: You can still call it a quarterback sneak. I just

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Speaker 2: can't have somebody pushing from behind. That just seems you

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Speaker 2: want to think about an injury. You could have an

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Speaker 2: injury with your quarterback being pushed from behind. Jam and

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Speaker 2: Is you know head in there, but uh, no question and.

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Speaker 11: Look and I agree with you.

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Speaker 12: And I was talking to somebody yesterday at one of

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Speaker 12: the clubs, and I think the Eagles would be successful

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Speaker 12: on QB sneaks. QB sneaks were you know, that's a

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Speaker 12: high percentage play when it's third and one, fourth and one,

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Speaker 12: So they would be successful. And that's why I don't

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Speaker 12: think this needs It was illegal forever. I don't know

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Speaker 12: why we need to keep this push. We don't let

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Speaker 12: the defense do it. Why are we letting the offense

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Speaker 12: do it?

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Speaker 2: Pointy of emphasis with taunting this year. How did this

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Speaker 2: come about?

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Speaker 12: I think the league the data that they presented in

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Speaker 12: the off season, and how they quantify this, I don't know.

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Speaker 12: But they said, okay, they said they said tawning was

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Speaker 12: up like fifty percent. Violent gestures, sexually suggestive, those types

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Speaker 12: of things that are in bad taste were up over

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Speaker 12: I mean it was like one hundred and thirty percent

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Speaker 12: whatever the number was. So they've obviously looked at film

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Speaker 12: and they felt, okay, identified these actions and they want

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Speaker 12: to emphasize it because it it does look sportsmanship is important,

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Speaker 12: it's something you know it. Trey has that trickle down effect.

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Speaker 12: Kids are watching those types of things, and you saw it.

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Speaker 12: I mean there was a big play in that in

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Speaker 12: that Dallas Giants game where where you had three fouls

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Speaker 12: on the Giants, three fouls and CD Lamb gets up

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Speaker 12: and gets a taunt and it all offset. So it's

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Speaker 12: a big penalty. And this is going to be a

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Speaker 12: major deal. You know, as long as this emphasis is in.

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Speaker 5: Place and protecting quarterbacks, is anything changed.

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Speaker 12: Nothing's changed. I think we've gone again player safety. Health

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Speaker 12: and safety is the top priority. I think we've gone

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Speaker 12: a little too far with some of these hits. I

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Speaker 12: think the quarterback position. Obviously, it's you're in a defenseless

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Speaker 12: posture when you're in that passing posture and you and

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Speaker 12: your focus is downfield. So yeah, the the headneck area,

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Speaker 12: those types of things, the late hits, I do think

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Speaker 12: we've you know, we see some of these hits where

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Speaker 12: it's just a defensive player, especially a big defensive lineman,

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Speaker 12: fighting through blocks and making a tackle.

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Speaker 11: And just happens to land the wrong way and it's

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Speaker 11: fifteen yards. I think that's tough.

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Speaker 12: But that's not going away that you list did all

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Speaker 12: these injuries that we have in this league, right, we

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Speaker 12: need the Joe Burrows, we need the Jaden Daniels and

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Speaker 12: and so they're going to protect that position.

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Speaker 2: What about listening in on replay? We've seen this with

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Speaker 2: the ACC I've been saying for years, I think with gambling,

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Speaker 2: with total transparency, and I don't know if that's enough

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Speaker 2: that the NFL or the officials are going to say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: come on in, listen.

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Speaker 5: But boy'd be entertaining.

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Speaker 12: What do you think would definitely be entertaining, because I've

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Speaker 12: been involved in a lot of discussions where if that

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Speaker 12: went out publicly, people, we definitely definitely, you know, get

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Speaker 12: a chuckle out of it.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think can you give me it? For instance,

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Speaker 2: though without names.

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Speaker 11: No, I'll I'll look. I was involved in a very

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Speaker 11: controversial play.

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Speaker 12: You might have heard of it, the des Bryant play,

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Speaker 12: you know, Packers Cowboys.

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Speaker 5: Should have been a touchdown by the way.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, there you go. So the play happens that we

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Speaker 11: see it happen.

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Speaker 12: I'm watching, you know, Mike mccartheugh's coaching the Packers at

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Speaker 12: the time, and in my head, I'm going he's going

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Speaker 12: to throw the challenge flag.

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Speaker 11: He's going to throw the challenge back.

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Speaker 12: And as soon as it came out, I said to

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Speaker 12: the room, get ready the s h I T is

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Speaker 12: about to hit the fan, because I knew it was

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Speaker 12: going to be controversial either way. Right, So, so those conversations,

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Speaker 12: I think it's it's it's two sets. I think transparency

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Speaker 12: is so important, like you said, because if you can

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Speaker 12: just listen in, it eliminates.

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Speaker 11: Any of the conspiracy.

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Speaker 12: Right now, it might it might be like, wow, those

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Speaker 12: guys don't know what they're doing. You know, it might

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Speaker 12: go from conspiracy to competence. Love that, but but it

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Speaker 12: definitely would eliminate some of that, some of that, hey,

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Speaker 12: what what are they doing?

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Speaker 11: We we just don't get it.

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Speaker 5: If you had it, I'll give you a do over

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Speaker 5: with des Bryant.

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Speaker 11: Under the current rule. Now, that was the that was

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Speaker 11: the rule. That was an easy one. Today today it's

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Speaker 11: a catch, and I get it. I understand why people

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Speaker 11: would have thought that that was a catch.

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Speaker 5: It was a layup, dann come on, stupid rule.

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Speaker 11: Right, Well, it was a I think the catch rule.

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Speaker 12: I think the problem we ran into is that forever

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Speaker 12: before replay, the catch rule was written so the onfield

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Speaker 12: officials could make that call in real time, right, they can't.

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Speaker 11: Slow it up. They can't.

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Speaker 12: So that was the rule and that's why, you know,

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Speaker 12: hold on to it when you hit the ground was

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Speaker 12: a thing. But now we have replay. It changes how

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Speaker 12: we can look at these things.

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Speaker 5: Are officials allowed to be out of shape?

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Speaker 11: There shouldn't be. That's that's I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, it feels like there's a workout program here that

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Speaker 2: like the ED Hockey League appropra.

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Speaker 11: Definitely it has been and I think we just know more.

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Speaker 12: Look when I first started at the league office, and

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Speaker 12: I don't know if I've ever told you this, but

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Speaker 12: ninety five my first officiating clinic, the physical test that

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Speaker 12: they had to pass to be an official at that

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Speaker 12: clinic was walk.

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Speaker 11: A mile, not even times, just not die. And now

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Speaker 11: it's much much more stringent.

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Speaker 5: So you combine for officials.

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Speaker 11: They do, they do.

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Speaker 12: They have a they have a group that comes in

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Speaker 12: and and you know, strength and and conditioning and works

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Speaker 12: with them and and uh and you know, and Ed.

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Speaker 12: I think Ed might actually do like his own combine

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Speaker 12: where it's just it's just arms, you know, it's just

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Speaker 12: just arm day every day.

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Speaker 2: It was great to talk to you. Thank you all right,

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Speaker 2: that's Dean Blandino, Fox Sports, NFL college football rules analyst,

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Speaker 2: former VP of Officiating,