1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: with i R Radio. Hey Ben, Hey almost Famous audience. Hi, 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: how's it going. I'm pretty decent? How are you wait, 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: you can't say you're pretty decent? I want an honest answer. 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: What makes it pretty decent? Pretty decent? Yeah? Like, so 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: what's good? What's bad? Um? I had a great week? 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: What would I say? I've had a great week. I 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: had an improved, a vastly improved week this week. So 9 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: it's very exciting. I was able to go three days 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: without taking zoo fran Um. Yeah, so I got I 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: went to a bachelorette party, the tamous bachelor party of 12 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: all time. Um. So like I feel, I felt like 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: my most normal. So it's very exciting. That's great. Well, 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: I'm I'm really happy to hear that. Thanks, And now 15 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: you get to go into not normal starting tomorrow. Yes, 16 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: all right, so little updates just so everybody knows, do 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: you hear any background noise? Um? Tomorrow I do go 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: into surgery at seven a m. Mountain time, So everybody's 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: thoughts and prayers would be great because I want to 20 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: come back and be healthy and ready to go for 21 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: the wedding and just for life. But it's just an 22 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: A c L surgery, so it's not like a big deal. Um. 23 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: But right now because tomorrow I'm in surgery. Uh. And 24 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: the bathroom at this house has been getting redone. There's 25 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: a cleaning crew up kind of like cleaning up all 26 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: the old stuff. So if you hear any banging, that's 27 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: what's going on. Oh, we remember when you told us 28 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: about this bathroom. I don't know if it was on 29 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: air or not, but apparently if I'm sorry you guys, 30 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: if you're hearing this again because I don't remember whether 31 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: or not we said it on air or not. But 32 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: but Ben had one of those weird houses that have 33 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: carpeting in the bathroom and supposedly and there was like 34 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: particles of of former house owners and there was you 35 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 1: know what else I did this week I put out 36 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: the handheld carpet cleaner and I got down like so 37 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: all the stains I think the past owners of the 38 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: house have, like animals and stuff. I got down my 39 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: hands and knees and I did that this weekend. Like what, 40 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: this house is as clean as can be going into 41 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: surgery time, which is awesome. But yeah, we had carp 42 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: in the bathroom, which is super weird. So it's getting redone. 43 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: There'll be more updates. Jessica's better updating people than I am, 44 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: so you can like get on her Instagram if you 45 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: want to see how it looks. I really like it. 46 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: It's coming together good and we're close. We're so close, 47 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: but life's good. Ash surgery tomorrow, gonna hang out. People 48 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: ask me what I'm gonna do during surgery. I plan 49 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: on sleeping a lot. I plan on, um, watching a 50 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: lot of football, which I know you and I both 51 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: love to do. And uh, I plan on reading a 52 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: couple of books. Um, but I always plan on reading, 53 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: and that sometimes works out sometimes doesn't. Anyways, Hey, Ashley, Also, 54 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: I plan on watching some more Paradise. I think it's 55 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 1: gonna be a good way to pass the time. You 56 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: do have four hours a week of it, so four 57 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: actually starting next week. Doesn't it go down to one 58 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: episode again? I don't. I don't know it would have 59 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: to because they're I mean, they've done a good job 60 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: this season. I'm gonna say I like this season. We're 61 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: gonna talk a lot about it. But there has been 62 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: moments where like, I don't really need to be watching 63 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: this like this doesn't feel like it feels like they're 64 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: stretching out content a little longer than needed. Except for 65 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: this leekue. This week was amazing in for Ald, Oh 66 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 1: my god, then I I just can't believe what good 67 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: television this leekue was. Jared normally doesn't watch with me. 68 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: He gets like the weirdest anxiety with parodies, like he 69 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: puts himself back there again and he starts having like 70 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: all these thoughts about like, oh my god, I can't 71 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: believe I did this. I can't believe it did that. 72 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: So it stresses him out. But man, he watched this 73 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: entire episode with me because he was compelled, as was I. 74 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: Oh it is it would go down and I'm always 75 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: a little bit more dramatic than most. I would say 76 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: this week's Paradise episode would go down as a top 77 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: five most enjoyable watching experience for me, at least on Paradise. 78 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, maybe you have the whole general show. Now. 79 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: I feel bad saying that because it's as at the 80 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: expense of Natasha and even at the like the the emotions, 81 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: like I feel bad because whatever is between Kendall and 82 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: Joe and what has been between Kendall and Joe, like 83 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: because there's so much emotion. It makes for great TV. 84 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: Like all these relationships that have formed off camera, when 85 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: you get tastes of it on camera, that's what makes 86 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: for the best TV. I would agree with I don't 87 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: feel bad. I'll say that you don't feel bad because 88 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: Natasha is so much better off without Brendan. Yeah. I 89 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: would say, like if if it was like coming like 90 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: if lives were getting destroyed. Um, Now, I don't know 91 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: how Brendon's I mean, he'll be fine, right, Like everybody 92 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: is fine coming out of this, give it a while, 93 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: like and I think he even said it when he 94 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: was sitting on the bed. He's like, go, but he's 95 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: gonna hate me for a couple months and then they're 96 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: gonna be like all about but anyway, we're gonna get 97 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: into that. I would say I didn't hate watching it 98 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: because the kindle Joe situation, um felt like they both 99 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: needed it. It felt like it was a healthy conversation. 100 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: I don't know where it goes, but it was. It 101 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: was intriguing for me to watch, And I don't think 102 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: either side was feeling a personal pain like hurt, like 103 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: like no, no, listen, listen, a personal hurt, like they 104 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: were feeling less than, Like it was like it was 105 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: a personal jab at them. Their character wasn't being questioned. 106 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: It was a pain of like, hey, I miss you 107 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: and I don't know how to deal with this, which 108 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: is a really healthy conversation to have, especially given their 109 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: environment and who they are as people. So it was 110 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: painful to watch because I know there was pain involved 111 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: in the motion, but there didn't feel like there was pain, 112 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: Like I think both parties did a good job at 113 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: not making the other person feel less than and more 114 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: hurt within that conversation. Okay, that makes sense, it makes sense, 115 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: but there was still so much pain to that conversation, 116 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: especially homing from Kendall's angle. But we always talk about Ashley. 117 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: The things that we don't like watching and the things 118 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: that hurt are like the bowling where it feels like 119 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: people are like they're like people on the show are 120 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: getting like like personally attacked, or the things that you know, 121 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: we don't love watching people's lives, just like combust on 122 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: television most of the time, um, because it's like this 123 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: is gonna suck for you afterwards, like people are going 124 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: to ask you about this on the street. This, I 125 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: don't know. I feel like that was kind of what 126 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: it was with Brendan, Like, holy crap, you are digging 127 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: yourself further and further and it is so entertaining because 128 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: you can't stuff. Well, we're gonna dive into that because 129 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: I have a lot of feelings. I know Ashley definitely 130 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: has a lot of feelings on that. I know you 131 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: all listening have a lot of feelings in that. Let's 132 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: take a break here, actually we come back. We're gonna 133 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: break down Bachelor headlines for the week, and then we're 134 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: gonna do a deep dive just you and I because 135 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: we needed this is such a big episode that we 136 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: needed the two of us to go back to the 137 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: old days for a second and break it down right 138 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: here on Almost Famous. Okay, so let's just start off 139 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: with the first scene. Kendall comes in, she's looking for Joe, 140 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: Joseph Serena, and you know, Kendall sits down with Joe 141 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: on like the first the bet that they first had 142 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: a conversation with in Paradise. I know that we just 143 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: said it was about us, but Jared has so much 144 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: to say that I had to invite him into the conversation. 145 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: Then do you mind you guys take it away. No, 146 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: we're not taking it away. It's just that Jared has 147 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: so much to say about Joe and Kendall's I always 148 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: love Jared's you do insight, So I would just love 149 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: to sit back and here Jared go off here for 150 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: a second. Okay, let me let me lead into it 151 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: for the two of you though. Um, Kendall walks on 152 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: the beach, she's looking for Joe. Jared, what are you feeling? 153 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: What are you thinking? What is your opinion on this situation? Yes, 154 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: so many feelings because list, they're just both two incredible 155 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: people that didn't work out in a relationship. That's what's 156 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: so difficult. Like fast forward to the Brendan Natasha thing. 157 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: Brendan obviously is in the wrong. He's being a jerk, 158 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: so it's like easy to not like him right and 159 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: be like, oh, I'm one scene team Natasha. But when 160 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: you go to Joe and Kendall, they're just two incredible 161 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: people that just didn't work out because of location and logistics, 162 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: which sucks. Hey, that's why it makes it so sad. 163 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: And like you're watching Kendall speak and she has that 164 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: like quiver in her mouth when she's trying to speak 165 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: so tight and up and you're like, oh my god, 166 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: we've all been there before. We're we're just getting emotional 167 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: and we're trying not to cry in the moment and 168 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: trying to articulate our thoughts as best as possible while 169 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: talking to someone that we're obviously still in love with 170 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: and want to be with, but maybe have been mistakes 171 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: in the past. And it's just like, oh God, we've 172 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: all been there, and it's just the worst feeling in 173 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 1: the world. And Joe is dating the Southern girl. But 174 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: you can totally tell that Joe is still kind of 175 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: into Kendall. He's not fully done with He said he 176 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: doesn't know whether he's still in love with it or not, 177 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: which means, yeah, I believe it. He's just like he's 178 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: he's confused, which makes sense. So I'm interested to see. 179 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: But so let's take this one step at a time 180 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: chronological order here, UM, so we don't jump ahead. UM, 181 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna focus on Joe and Kendle here for a second. Jared, 182 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: I'm glad you're here for this, UM, because I do 183 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: think you are probably have strong opinions. I know Ashley 184 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 1: does as well. Um, if you don't mind, I want 185 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: to guide us through breaking this down piece by piece 186 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: to help understand the situation. What do you think being 187 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: in paradise before the two of you, it feels like 188 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: walking down the beach knowing that you care deeply for somebody. 189 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: For Joe and Kendall, it was a deep love knowing 190 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: that they're they're not knowing if they're in a relationship 191 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: or not, and waiting to like, what is that feeling 192 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: like for them? Well, this is why I wanted Jared 193 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: to be here for two reasons, because one, we've been 194 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: in a similar is situation, just in the fact that, like, 195 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: we build a relationship off screen and then we had 196 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: to go back on screen and there's just so much 197 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: people wouldn't be able to understand that happened off screen, 198 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: right Uh? And then I also wanted Dare to be 199 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: here because of location, because it seemed like logistically, we'll 200 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: be honest, Okay, if Ashley told me at the beginning 201 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: of our relationship that she would never move to Rhode Island, 202 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's gonna be a big factor within whether 203 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: we pursue a relationship or not. Location is a factor. 204 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: I know everybody says, oh, you move for the person 205 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: that you want to be with. Yeah, it's so much 206 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: easier to say than to actually do, because why don't 207 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: you be with someone and then moved to a place 208 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: that you've never been before, where you have no friends 209 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: and the only person you rely on is that significant other. 210 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: A lot easier said than done. So I understand where 211 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: Kendle is coming from. Having said that. While she's walking 212 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: down the stairs to answer your question, then she totally 213 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: wanted to throw up in the bush because it's just 214 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: anxiety written. You're going down there, you know what's going 215 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: to happen. You know, most likely he's in some sort 216 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: of relationship with somebody else that it's three weeks in 217 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: to somebody. Yeah, he's been through two rows ceremonies, so 218 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: Kendall knew that he was at least talking to someone, 219 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: and he went to freaking Paradise. So there's a part 220 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: of Joe that has moved on. She's well aware of this, 221 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: But Kendall, I don't think would have gone to Paradise 222 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: if it weren't for Joe being there. I agree, So 223 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: I think that all in all, Kendall definitely feels like 224 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: she's in the lower position here because he has like 225 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: all the positioning, the power, because the upper hand. He 226 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: has all the upper hand because he's been there for weeks, 227 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: because he didn't go for her, and and just and 228 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: then listen, Joe might be still confused, But it appears 229 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: that Kendall's more invested in Joe than Joe's investing in 230 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: Kendall right now. And I'm not blaming Joe for that. 231 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: That's just the way the situation unfolded. Unfortunately, Kendall didn't 232 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: want to move to Chicago. I wish so badly that 233 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: Kendall went down to Paradise, very similar to the way 234 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: Dean went down. Remember when Dean left and then came 235 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: back for Caitlin, and Dean was like, I am only 236 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: here for you, Klin. I want to leave in a relationship, 237 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: because before that, Dean was like, I don't know if 238 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: I'm ready to be in a committed relationship. He left, 239 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: he realized, he mr he came back, He's like, I 240 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: want to try this. I want to pursue this. This 241 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: is what I'm willing to do. I am willing to 242 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: commit to you. I wish Kendall went down and said, listen, Joe, 243 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: I'm not overview. I miss you. This is what I 244 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: am willing to try Chicago with you if you leave 245 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: with me right now, I'm willing to try Chicago. So 246 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: let's pause here for a second. Because Ashley and I 247 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago kind of were uh under the 248 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: understanding that Joe and Kindle might have broke up from 249 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: more than just logistics. This episode, I am now in 250 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: the belief that logistics played the biggest part in their breakup. Now, Jared, 251 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: you just said something that I'm interested in because I 252 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: am not convinced from watching this episode and knowing the 253 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: behind the scenes of everything and knowing how difficult this 254 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: had to be for Kindle that she was going down 255 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: to get Joe back. I'm not convinced that that conversation 256 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: she had the hope at the end to say no, 257 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: Joe and I are going to give this a shot again. 258 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: I think they both needed closure, or they needed to 259 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: both openly communicate where they're at. In fact, Kendall holding 260 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: in her tears, it was hard for me to watch 261 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: because what I think they needed two people that care 262 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: deeply about each other, two great people that we both 263 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: spent We've all spent time with they just needed a 264 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: good cry, like Kendall just needed a good cry, and say, Joe, 265 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: I care about you. I don't know what this means. 266 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what this looks like, but I'm here 267 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: in Paradise to explore not only having this conversation with you, 268 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: but also what it looks like for me to move on. 269 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: Well that's kind of That's kind of how Joe interpreted 270 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: it too, because he said to Serena after the fact, 271 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: He's like, well, first it seemed like she was here 272 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: to try to get back with me, and then it 273 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: seemed like she wanted to have some sort of friendship 274 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: closure things. So I don't really know what to make 275 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: That's why I think Kendall made a mistake going to Paradise. 276 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: Because I love Kendall. We've talked to Kendall. She's the best. 277 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: I want her to be happy, and seeing her go 278 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: down there and be so confused about whether she wants 279 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: to be with Joe or wants to pursue another relationship 280 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: is one difficult to watch. But secondly, I think the 281 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: wrong approach going to Paradise. What Joe did was the 282 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: right way. You go to Paradise and you say I'm 283 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: here to explore other options. Now was he ready for it? 284 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: That could be a conversation to be had, but he 285 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: was there only to pursue other relationships. When Kendall came in, 286 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: I felt like she was confused about do I I 287 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: want to go for Joe because I feel like there's 288 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: still potential in that relationship, but I also open to 289 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: other relationships. I think that's the worst thing you can 290 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: do by going to paradis blyying to herself. It's exactly 291 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: what I did. I was like, Okay, I'm gonna go 292 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: down there. My main priority is at Jared's not with anyone, 293 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: and and if he's not that and he still doesn't 294 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: want to be with me, then maybe I'll be open 295 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: to being with other people. But in the this part 296 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: of my heart, I just knew. I was like, no, 297 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: I'm here to make sure that we eventually end up together. 298 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: And I don't think that's what she's I don't know 299 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: what Kendall Stall processes, but listen, if she is going 300 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: down with open minds for both, I think that's a 301 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: mistake because there's no way you're going to be ready 302 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: to move on and date other people if you're still 303 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: kind of in love with your ex while your ex 304 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: is living with you in the same splace, Like, that's 305 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: just not going to work. That's so true. You could 306 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: like go on dates with other people in real life 307 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: and then be like, oh I like them, you know, 308 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But but there's something totally different about 309 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: the person being right there in front of you with 310 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: somebody else. Kendall's confused. Do you think that it's a 311 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: good place for her to be at on the same 312 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: beach watching her ex boyfriend who she still might be 313 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: in love with, pursuing a relationship with someone else. But 314 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: that's my point. So even if she's open to something else, 315 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: I think she needed to go down with one of 316 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: two mindsets. Either one, I'm ready to move on from 317 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: Joe and it's not going to bother me if I 318 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: see him pursue other relationships because I'm going to pursue 319 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: other men. Or I go down there for only Joe 320 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: and I'm either leaving with Joe or I'm I'm leaving 321 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: by myself. Because this idea of like, well, I'm gonna 322 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: try to balance both and see how it goes. I 323 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: think is only gonna hurt Kendall, and I don't want 324 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: Kendall to be hurt. And yet, if there's somebody there, 325 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: if there's somebody really there that you like, it could happen. 326 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: I'm just playing Devil's out of agate now because right, right, 327 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: But like, I also don't think there's anybody there that 328 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: Kendall is going to hit it off with, and I 329 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: think that makes it even harder. Yeah, and timing exists 330 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: here too, where Joe's had the ability to show up 331 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: to the beach without Kindle there to pursue a relationship. 332 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: I mean, if Kendall was there on day one, we 333 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: saw how hard it was for Joe to be on 334 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: that beach and to see the places that him and 335 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: Kendle connected at. He was reminiscing and living in it 336 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: for we. So I mean, we don't know how long 337 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: two or three days, which is in this world feels 338 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: like months. And he was able to move on because 339 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: he met somebody else. Now Kendall doesn't have that option. 340 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: Joe's Joe's there, and so she's walking into a place 341 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: where she processes these things and trying to move on. 342 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: She has to also look across the beach and see 343 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: Joe sitting on a bed with another girl, and that 344 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: has to mess with her. It has to play with 345 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: her head, and it has to set her back. She 346 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: does not have the advantage here, or as she doesn't 347 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: have the power here because Joe is able to move 348 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: on and take a whole day to himself and just 349 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: be she doesn't have that ability now. The all star 350 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: in this I really did enjoy their conversation. I will 351 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: say that it was hard to watch. I feel like 352 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot more there than what we even are 353 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: able to grasp on television. Um, there were some awkward 354 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: scenes where like they're pointing out the place they had 355 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: their first kiss, and and then we see him even 356 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: the next morning sitting at breakfast together side by side. 357 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know what that looks like or 358 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: what that feels like when you're down there, but there 359 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: are some awkward moments. I thought that was a little 360 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: bit much where they're like pointing out the places they 361 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: they had connected. But Joe then, um, I think they 362 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: both handed well. Joe goes over to Serena, which is 363 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: obviously really tough position for her to be in, and 364 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: I thought the way she supported him like made me 365 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: like her a lot more than I already did. Where 366 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: she said he said to her, I think there's gonna 367 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: be a lot of conversations we have to have because 368 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot still to process. But I'm in this 369 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: for you, and she says, I get it. I understand 370 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: That's okay, Like we can't just gloss over that, like 371 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: that's how everybody would respond. That is a very mature, 372 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: incredible response for her. She's very mature. I also still 373 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: think that he likes her a lot more than she 374 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: likes him. I don't know, I just the whole thing 375 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: is so insane, you know, when we're when we see 376 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: friends go down there and people that were like really 377 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: invested in and are people that we know, it's so 378 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: crazy while watching the show and being like, how is 379 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: this happening? Because most of the time we watched Paradise 380 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: now we're so detached from it because it's most people 381 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: that we don't meet until after the show that like, 382 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a show. But like, man, when 383 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: I see Joe and Kendall involved this, I'm like, how 384 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: is this happening? How is this girl? Just how how 385 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,719 Speaker 1: is Joe's new girlfriend Serena, responding like this. If I 386 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: was her, I'd be like, no, bro, like, either you're 387 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: over your ex or you're not. So it is very mature, ever, 388 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: but also like, oh, it's just heart wrenching all around 389 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 1: for everyone involved, and it's emotionally exhausting. Do you have 390 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: a little PTSD you watching it? It's just it's it's 391 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: I'm so happy we're not back there. Well, I think 392 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: there's I think the world is happy that neither of 393 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: you are back there. I think that would America's favorite 394 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: couple and having a baby on the way, and you're 395 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: just still happy to impaired eyes. But the this, I mean, 396 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: it's one of those moments where we say it on 397 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: the most almost famous podcast where real life intersects with 398 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: the show. Um So, the question that I have for 399 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: both of you, do you believe now, without any teasers, 400 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: without any spoilers, without any knowledge, And if you have it, 401 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: then I don't want to hear because I don't know. 402 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: Do you believe that Kinda will be able to move 403 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: on to at least pursue another relationship while in Paradise 404 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: this season? I don't think anybody's going to pique her 405 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: interest especially when she has the direct comparison of Joe there. Yeah, 406 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: no way, I don't think so. I mean, it would 407 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: have to be Leo from Titanic would have to walk 408 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: down the stairs for Kendall to be like, never mind, Joe, 409 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: I'm moving on. It's a funny reference. Leo is the 410 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: guy that stepped in the middle of Joe and kinda 411 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: last time. Yeah, oh my god, I totally forgot about that. 412 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. I I don't think so. I think 413 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: that she's I think Kendall's fooling herself if she thinks 414 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: she's going to try to date other people in Paradisse. 415 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: Judging from the conversation she had with Joe especially, she 416 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: was the one who brought up when they were You 417 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: referenced them talking on the bed and Joe was saying, 418 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: this is like, you know, it's weird because this is 419 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: where we have first conversation, and Kendall's like, that's where 420 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: our first crying. And I don't blame her one bit. 421 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: She felt hope in that moment you could be like 422 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: that she was going to bring back all these memories 423 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: and before we leave a Joe and Kendall conversation, I 424 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: do want to say that I appreciate like them kind 425 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: of telling us the timeline because they because I remember 426 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: watching and being like, I think Kendall might be off here, 427 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: because I remember when during COVID when he flew to 428 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: l A and we were like, oh girls, she sure 429 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: Joe flying to la to see Kendall during the midst 430 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: of all this very interesting, and that's when he reveals 431 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: that he said, like, you moved to Chicago for a 432 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: little while and give this a chance, So like he 433 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: really did kind of exhaust all offers and it really options, 434 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: thank you, and it really was at the end of 435 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: the day her decision to break things off because she 436 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: just couldn't move, and I what we didn't hear from 437 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: her was like I regret that, or I would give 438 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: it a chance now. And also what we didn't hear 439 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: about it was her twin sister, because she actually said before, 440 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: so Kendall has a twin and she's spoken before about 441 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 1: how she feels her twin sister is okay, like her 442 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: soul mate, and like, I mean, you can kind of 443 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: understand that. I can totally understand it. The Lauren and 444 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: I talked about this last week when it became like 445 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: a storyline, and we just I don't know we're even 446 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: though I do think that we are as close as 447 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: Kendall and her sister. We're okay, We're okay with being 448 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: in separate spots. But some people have different relationships, Like 449 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: you and Lauren talk on FaceTime three times a day 450 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: and you're fine with that, Like some people really need 451 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: that's like you need that. I can do the phone 452 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: call thing, and you need to be in the press 453 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: into but you won't talk as much, which is so 454 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: funny because when Jared and I are with our family, 455 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm all about, like you're connecting through talking, So I'm 456 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: like constantly talking to my sister, But Jared connects just 457 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: by being in the same room and he's maybe not 458 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: necessarily a social Conneah. Well, hey, to move on from 459 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: this because it's gonna be interesting to watch um and 460 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: there's not a lot else we can say my hot 461 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: take from the question I asked previously, and you can 462 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: tell me if I'm wrong. I think it's gonna be 463 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: hard for kindle move on and find somebody, because I 464 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 1: don't know right now if we're seeing anybody better than 465 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: Joe on that beach. Maybe Ivan but we don't get 466 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: to see a lot of Ivan right now. We don't 467 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: get to like hear a lot from him. We don't 468 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: see any connection romantically with him, So like that's a 469 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: little bit of a mystery still. But everybody else is 470 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: either in relationship or they have drama that's pulled them 471 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: kind of out of relationships, and they're kind of either 472 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: like forgotten about or moved on from. Like kindall doesn't 473 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: exactly have anybody that's going to live up to Joe because, 474 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: as we know, and as most Bachelor Nation knows at 475 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: this point, Joe is an incredibly charismatic, good looking, smart 476 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: wise dude who cares deeply. It's gonna be hard for 477 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: her because any comparison to Joe on that beach right 478 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: now is gonna fall short. I think I even has 479 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: a chance. I really do, but we've yet to see it. 480 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: And that's where I get. You know, Joe is a catch. 481 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: She knows, and she's in love with him. I will say, 482 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: when Kendall walked down those stairs, both Ash and I 483 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: looked at each other and was like, she looks, she looks, 484 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: she fired. And I can say that because my wife 485 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: is next to me and we can have a girl crush, 486 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: but she looks that like I think that Joe is 487 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: the cutest guy on the beach a boat, Yeah, probably 488 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: if you know that. I also think that Jared thinks 489 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: that Kendall's the pretties were on the beach. I think 490 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: that's his most type. And it also helps that she 491 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: hasn't been living on a beach for the last three 492 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: weeks before that walk down. She comes, Yeah, she comes 493 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: straight straight down from the hote Jared straight. We're gonna 494 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: take a break here when we come back. I don't 495 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: know if Jared's ticking around or not to talk about 496 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: you can be free, Okay, Jared's out of here. Jared 497 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: enjoy talking about Brendan and Natasha, Saga and Piper because wow, wow, 498 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: I mean, like, I mean, what are we doing here? 499 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: Not seen? Has this guy not seen one previous season 500 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: of bachel in Paradise like you have? There's pretty much 501 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: one rule. There's one rule, just don't don't come in 502 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: with like a previous relationship and and and lie about it. 503 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: Oh my god, this guy. Anyway, you guys take a 504 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:52,719 Speaker 1: break by bye. So then there's another love triangle. Guys. Actually, 505 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: this whole theme of this episode is love Triangle. I 506 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: like love triangles there they are fun to Okay, this 507 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: one's between Mari and Kenny and Demi and like not 508 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: so much Tea. There's not really a square here. I 509 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: guess they really left that date being like, yeah, I 510 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: don't think there's a big romance brew in between us. 511 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: But basically Demi is so funny because like she really 512 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: likes Kenny, but like, I don't know why she's so 513 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: invested in Kenny. Do you get it? Like I'm like, Demi, 514 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: is this just like a physical thing for you? Like 515 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: there's no way that you're this emotionally invested in hurt 516 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: by this guy. I just feel like she's just like 517 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: a tough I just feel like she's so tough and like, 518 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: oh he doesn't like me, then I'm not gonna like him, 519 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: and like I can find gold in the real world 520 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. But she's just like really down 521 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: and out. Well, I think there's a few things, and 522 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: I think Demi is well, I don't know. I think 523 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: Demi is tough, But I also think we've seen in 524 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: from all different parts, from like her being out of 525 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: Paradise and off of The Bachelor, that she is sensitive 526 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: and that she has a deep emotional side, and so 527 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: I think she gets hurt. And I think that her 528 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: confidence is strong, but she's also like all of us. 529 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: She has her insecurities and her places that can be 530 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: hit and that really like throw her off. And that's 531 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: not just her, that's all of us. And I think 532 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: right now what we're and I don't know, but right now, 533 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: if I were to say, what I'm watching with Demmy 534 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: is she's not used right used to right now getting 535 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: turned down. That's what I was gonna say. Yeah, And 536 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: I think that it's hard for her to process, especially 537 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: in Paradise, where I wonder if she's like, you know, 538 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: Kenny's batting out of his league with me, Like I'm 539 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: Demmi and this is Kenny, and Kenny's fine, but like 540 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: he's batting out of his league and he doesn't understand it. 541 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: Um And yet Kenny's going, yeah, but I have a 542 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: bunch of other people here paying attention to me that 543 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,719 Speaker 1: I like, and then I'm then narrested in and so 544 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: maybe I'm not bat on my league. Maybe I'm just 545 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm doing all right here. And so Demmi's 546 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 1: in this, like the competition side of Demi's coming out, 547 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,479 Speaker 1: and we're seeing some frustrations with it. Yes, yes, Uh, 548 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: let's just say Kenny totally is into Demi not interested 549 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: in anybody else? Would Demi be as into Kenny? Or 550 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: is this like a hard to get thing and a 551 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm feeling rejected thing? Yeah? So I have friends like this, 552 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: So I am not a I'm not somebody that likes 553 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: to be be Like, if somebody's playing hard to get, 554 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: I'm not into it, Like I I don't like it. 555 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: It doesn't feel good to me. Yeah. So it's just different, 556 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: Like people are different there where I would say, okay, 557 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: if you're not into me, I'm gonna say that's okay 558 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: and I'm moving on, like and I'm gonna shut it 559 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: off and move on because I think that's a defense 560 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: mechanism for me to not be embarrassed honestly, or to 561 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: not feel like I wasn't chosen. Um, So I think 562 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: there's two ways to look at I think and then 563 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: some have the confidence to say, hey, you're playing hard 564 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: to get, I'm gonna go harder at you. I'm gonna 565 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: find a way to still in turn into this, and 566 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: at the end of it, hopefully we can usually decide 567 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: this is a good thing. Uh. I do though with Demmi, 568 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: from what I'm seeing is like this hard to get 569 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: thing is like appealing to her. It's about winning. Right now, 570 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, because if he was just like Dimmi, 571 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: I'm all about it. They might be fine. They might 572 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: have like a fun relationship. We might like to watch 573 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: him together because they they're like cute and like they 574 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: would make each other laugh. But I don't know how 575 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: long it lasts, and I also don't know how much 576 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: big of a foundation it builds. And It's what's weird 577 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: here is ever since episode one, Kenny's interest in March 578 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: like he went to the beach for her, you know, 579 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: like he's been into this way before. And so I 580 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: wonder if it's like that girl crushed thing too, where 581 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: he's like the girl that I've dreamed of, the girl 582 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: that I came here for, the girl that I've like 583 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: the celebrity crush. Now I've got her and now she's 584 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: fighting for me, and so like, yes, Demmi is awesome, 585 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: but I'm still focused on the one that I came 586 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: here for. So Mari says that the reason that she 587 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: kind of said, let's go on dates with other people. 588 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: Was because she felt so much that she ended up 589 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: getting scared and was trying to like kind of back 590 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: out of it, which again I'm not really that kind 591 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: of person who it's like, Oh, I have what I want, 592 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm too scared. I'm gonna give it away now. 593 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: But I know that so many people aren't like that. 594 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: Did you buy that as a reason. Yeah, I mean, 595 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: I think, I mean, and I hate I don't want 596 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: to use this excuse, but she is younger. Um, she 597 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: is coming off into paradise, and you could tell me 598 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, but I think a lot of people 599 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: go into paradise hoping to find relationship. They're also just 600 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,959 Speaker 1: hoping to have a good time and to like have 601 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: a hot boy and girl summer and like show off 602 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: what they've been working on. And so she gets there 603 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, this dude is into her. 604 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: She's into him, She's feeling something towards him. Now you know, 605 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: she's a little jael List and she's fighting for him. 606 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden she has to admit 607 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: to herself, like I don't want to just give this 608 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: up like this isn't funny games from anymore, So I 609 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: I do buy it. I think I think she's trying 610 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: to communicate her emotions. I don't know if it's the full, 611 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, plethora of things that she's feeling. I do 612 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: think she's scared that she could leave this thing in 613 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: a serious relationship, and I think that would really throw 614 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: off the plans. Like I think there's like, you know, 615 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: a lot that happens after Paradise of people are excited 616 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: for she leaves with Kenny, well, then you know, she's 617 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: what is it all for? I don't know if she 618 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: would feel like it was it was a big win 619 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: for her. I get that, um that kind of rolls 620 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: us over into the whole Natasha Brendan Piper drama because 621 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: this is gonna be it. Certainly went in with plans 622 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: and figured that they would come out with certain they 623 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: had expectations of how they would come out of Paradise self, 624 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: admittedly with more followers. The most astonishing thing I heard 625 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: on the show in the longest time was, did you 626 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: see the US Weekly article? I gained ten thousand followers 627 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: from it. That was when all things stopped and you 628 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: couldn't defend them anymore, like even if you were trying 629 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: to defend them. No. Yeah, that whole conversation on the couch, 630 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it made me cringe. So let's start 631 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: at the beginning. But laugh hilariously. No, I don't know. 632 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: Actually we were okay, jaw dropped, all right, Maybe not laughing, 633 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: but just eyes bugging out. Jaw dropped. Yeah. I wonder what. 634 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: I wonder what it is, and I want to I 635 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: do want to go back and start the beginning here 636 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: so that we can break down all the scenes that 637 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: I wonder what it is with me where I watched that, 638 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: and I get really frustrated with the two of them, 639 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: because one, I feel like they're messing with other people's emotions. 640 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: I think they're extremely selfish in the strategy that they've 641 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: put in place to try to get more followers for 642 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what reason. Is it money, is it fame, 643 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: is it attention? It frustrates me, and then it saddens 644 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: me because I know what it's like to have followers 645 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: and it's not fulfilling and it doesn't satisfy. And so 646 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: the pursuit of that, and and as you move forward 647 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: to try to get that, and you hurt others in 648 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: the process. It feels really ugly to me, Like it 649 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: feels really hard for me to watch, and I get 650 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: really frustrated. I understand that, and that's just me. It's 651 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: hard for me to enjoy um. And also like you know, 652 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: you and I both know, and we say it like 653 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: we know people whose lives have been positively affected by 654 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: the show and very negatively affected by the show. Uh. 655 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: And this is also one of those cases where when 656 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: you go out with these intentions, it's probably gonna negatively 657 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: affect your life by going on the show. And that 658 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: sucks to watch because I don't want people's lives to 659 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: be worse for going on, even though I know what happens, 660 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: and so it's hard for me to see anyways, Okay, 661 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: let's start. Let's start at the beginning, and then we're 662 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: gonna get to that and we can we can break 663 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: that down a little more. Natasha is very clear with 664 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: Brendan about where she's at, and she's now feeling more 665 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: positive about their relationship than ever. Brendan is validating those feelings, 666 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: um and in a fairly strong way. So I'm convinced 667 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 1: at this point, Oh, he isn't Natasha not surprising. Natasha 668 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: is great. We love Natasha and we and we've been 669 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: rooting for her this whole time as she's pursued Brendan. 670 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: So Ashley take it from there. Well, then we see 671 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: them having a good moment. Of course, when Piper walks 672 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: in doesn't even ask any of the other guys to 673 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: sit down and chat like she makes it very obvious 674 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,720 Speaker 1: even walking down the stairs, she goes, Hey, I'm Piper, 675 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 1: and I'm here for Brendan, And then she asked Brendan, 676 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: he doesn't really have any hesitation, he says, yes, it's 677 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: everything that Natasha was kind of warned about but but 678 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 1: didn't believe because honestly, it would be hard to believe 679 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: that somebody would ever go down there with such a 680 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: set relationship, like like to the point where Piper was 681 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: kind of hurt to hear on the date that that 682 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 1: Brendan didn't consider her a girlfriend. Yeah, and obviously I 683 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: don't know where his heads at. He's been on the podcast. 684 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: We enjoyed our conversation with him. I hope he comes 685 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: back on And this is obviously gonna sound like I mean, 686 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: I think most of the people are going to pick 687 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: Natasha's side here because it's pretty clear. But we'll try 688 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: to do this with understanding his intentions the best we can. 689 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: But the one thing that's clear is we he's on 690 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: not like television, things are being recorded in film. He lied, 691 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,919 Speaker 1: He did lied to Natasha so many times, multiple times. 692 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: He lied to Natasha. So that is just the truth 693 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: that if he was on here, I would ask him 694 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: that same question. I said, why why would you lie 695 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: to her? So he lied in Natasha. Then Piper comes down. 696 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: They have this conversation there obviously together, they've dated, she's 697 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: flown to Boston. They spent the day together before he 698 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: left ten times, as we later find out, which is 699 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,879 Speaker 1: so much different than the two times that he told Natasha. Uh. 700 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: And then just like on the date we you can 701 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: see that she was like, he was like, you know, 702 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 1: it's really hard for me to like kind of say 703 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: that I didn't I was trying to wait for you 704 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: and not trying to play with anybody because that would 705 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: be a bad look. But even though it's a bad look, 706 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: I'm kind of admitting right now that that is exactly 707 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 1: what I did. Like they admitted on that date that 708 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: he had that there was a strategy that he was like, 709 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: I'm not going to allow myself to get close to 710 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: another girl enough that it would be wrong. And so 711 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 1: at this point we don't know what their intentions are 712 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: in this, mostly because I guess personally, I'm just confused 713 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: when I'm watching this scene on like why did they 714 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,399 Speaker 1: come to Paradise? What were they hoping for? Well we 715 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: find out, um, really, we start getting the hints that 716 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: they came for the following and um, the fame, And 717 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: I'm still not fully sold out on that yet until 718 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,439 Speaker 1: we seem my couch. But I'm not so fully sold 719 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: out on that yet because I'm like, there's a lot 720 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: of other reasons why you go to Paradise. Maybe he 721 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,839 Speaker 1: wasn't convinced the Piper is the right person for him, 722 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: Maybe Piper wasn't fully convinced. Maybe they just want to 723 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: go explore their options and see if Paradise lad them 724 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: to be a stronger couple than before, Like all those 725 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: things I could get behind. Well, that's very nice of you, 726 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: Like you're definitely looking at at the uh maybe a 727 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: little naively, but you know you're giving them shots. Well yeah, 728 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,879 Speaker 1: mostly because like I would, I cannot believe that two 729 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 1: people would come down own to paradise. He would pursue 730 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: a relationship just to stick around, not just in a 731 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: relationship with somebody that obviously like, we're more fired up 732 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,879 Speaker 1: than most, because Natasha is somebody that we like so 733 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,360 Speaker 1: much that we're like this, this is and she was 734 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: leaving her emotions on her sleeve. He'd pursue this relationship 735 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: and then turn On has had all four followers and 736 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: all four fame. Well, that gets us to the next point, 737 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: which is where we see them on the couch having 738 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,919 Speaker 1: a conversation that we we brought up just a few 739 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,240 Speaker 1: minutes ago, and it's very clear now to me. Again, 740 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: another I think statement that I would make about this situation, 741 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: just like I said that Brendan did lie to Natasha, 742 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: is they definitely came here for the followers. That's all 743 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: they're talking about. It's all they're joking about. It's all 744 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,959 Speaker 1: they're bringing up to each other. Can you believe that 745 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: they are saying this miked up? What are they thinking? 746 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: I know there's that time where he holds the mic 747 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: and then it's like I'm incriminating myself too much. It's 748 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: like I'm so far gone right now. But I'm like, 749 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: are you guys that dense right now to think that 750 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: this is not being filmed? Yeah, well the truth is there. 751 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: They will get more followers because of this. I mean, 752 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: that's the That's the other thing that's frustrating is you know, 753 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: you watch this and you're like, yeah, you're going you're 754 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: going to like it happens. I was gonna unfollow him. Yeah, well, 755 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: just listening to that conversation, I was like, I'm going 756 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 1: to follow you because of this now. But you know 757 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 1: that's going to happen, right Like we know that's going 758 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: to be the case, is that they're talked about a lot. 759 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: They're gonna be in a bunch of headlines. This is 760 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: gonna work for them, um and and so. But when 761 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: when it works for them, we still can't dismiss the 762 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: fact of how much is probably hurts the other people involved. 763 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: Uh and and it's also probably hard on the people 764 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: watching it. I would imagine when you're down there, going 765 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: this is sad like this is. It's it's hard for Natasha, 766 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: but it's really sad for the rest of the people there, 767 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: because I wonder how many of their relationships aren't get 768 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: put in a question on intentions at this point. So 769 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,879 Speaker 1: it feels like to this point on Pair Dice, there's 770 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: some really good relationships there that maybe don't care about 771 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: the fame at all, knowing that it's still gonna come, 772 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: but they don't they're not there for that. Yeah, that's 773 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: so true. When when Piper and Natasha sit down together, 774 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 1: that's when you know a lot of lies come out. 775 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 1: They talked about the fact that they were together the 776 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: weekend that he left for Paradise. Then there was the 777 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: whole like we hung out ten times thing, and meanwhile 778 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: he's definitely seeming like he's talking to a producer in 779 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,959 Speaker 1: the way that it looks to me. He says, it's 780 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 1: not as if I ruined her chances with anyone else, 781 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: Like there wasn't anybody else showing interest in her, And 782 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh. Yeah. He he made 783 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: some comments like from the Brandon that we had on 784 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,439 Speaker 1: the podcast and the Brandon that like I still think 785 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: if I mean, I want to ask him all of this. 786 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if we ever got the opportunity. He 787 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: made some comments that were like really hurtful, um and 788 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: just untrue, like Natasha is a catch uh and and 789 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 1: it sounds like we're just like her biggest fan team here, 790 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: but we are um. But like somebody would have been 791 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: interested in here, somebody would have been intrigued by her, 792 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: Like that's crazy to think that nobody would so rude 793 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,479 Speaker 1: and so crazy and inaccurate. And then he also says 794 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 1: when he sits down with her, he says, this was 795 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 1: a friendship, not a romantic relationship. And then he says 796 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: that Natasha had selective hearing. Yeah, so what do you 797 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,320 Speaker 1: call it? When like that was That was the moment 798 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: where I got the most fired up is the conversation 799 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: between Natasha and Brendan, where honestly I could have respected 800 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 1: it if he would have said to her, Natasha, I 801 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: did come down here for Piper, and I'm sorry that 802 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,280 Speaker 1: like you got mixed up in this because that isn't 803 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 1: fair to you. But yes, the intention was for me 804 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: to be with Piper, and like, now that she's here, 805 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to spend time with her instead, he tried 806 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,720 Speaker 1: to make Natasha feel crazy. Well that's definition gas lighting. 807 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,839 Speaker 1: Yeah he was, And I was like, he is a dick. 808 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: He this is this is a dick behavior and and 809 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: like he never held up he never backed up on that, 810 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,879 Speaker 1: Like even when she was like, Brennan, here's the things 811 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,879 Speaker 1: that you told me, here's the facts of like what 812 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: you said to me, He's like, I don't remember saying that, 813 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: or you have selective hearing, or there's nobody else here 814 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: for there had been nobody else here for you, Like 815 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: it was a consistent reminder to Natasha, and like and 816 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: like he knows darn well again, give him the benefit 817 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 1: of the doubt. Maybe during that conversation even he uh, 818 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 1: he didn't remember it. Maybe his intentions were like discombobulated, whatever. 819 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 1: But then he proves on the couch with Piper that 820 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: like he was annoyed by Natasha, that he was dragging 821 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 1: her around, that he knew exactly what he was doing 822 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 1: by her. Yeah, and then he even says to her face, 823 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,360 Speaker 1: it's like I didn't prevent you from establishing any other connections. 824 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 1: He's like, who would you would have who would have 825 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: you have been with? That was heavy. I'm interested to 826 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 1: hear how our listeners are gonna spond, because obviously, like 827 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: you and I were both fired up about it, and 828 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 1: like it was hard to watch. There was a lot 829 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,359 Speaker 1: going on there that just felt unhealthy. Um. And they 830 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,439 Speaker 1: always teach us a thing or two, especially with their comments. 831 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 1: Maybe they'll see something we don't. UM. I just wanted 832 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: to see Brendan um again if he felt like he 833 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,879 Speaker 1: got mixed up in something and it got too big 834 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,720 Speaker 1: for him to handle and he had to like apologize 835 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: and say, Natasha, I'm sorry. UM, you know I do 836 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: want to spend time with Piper. We did have something before. UM. 837 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 1: This is where I'm going to go with this. It 838 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: would have been an understanding. But at this point now 839 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: Natasha just feels crazy. She's confused, but like, no, but 840 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,919 Speaker 1: she's better than that, Like she knows that she doesn't 841 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,759 Speaker 1: feel crazy, you know what I mean. Like Natasha is 842 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,799 Speaker 1: like a strong enough woman who believes in herself enough. 843 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: I think that she's like not emotion I don't think 844 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: she's affected in that way. I don't think she's like 845 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 1: thinking less of herself. I think she's like, no, he's 846 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: a dick, and I'm I'm lucky I got rid of him. 847 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,880 Speaker 1: That's fair, I hope. So I hope that's where this 848 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: is going. Uh be interesting the interesting to watch Ashley 849 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,720 Speaker 1: as we moved forward. It was not a good moment 850 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: for me to watch. I didn't enjoy that part. It 851 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: was it was entertaining in a lot of ways, but 852 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: it was also unlike the Joe and Kendall situation, the 853 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 1: Natasha Piper Brennan situation UM was heavy, like heavier, and 854 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 1: it was hard for me for all of them, uh involved, 855 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 1: because I felt like there was a lot of deception, 856 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 1: a lot of confusion um and and it's just it 857 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 1: was too hard for me to see Natasha um leave 858 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,359 Speaker 1: those conversations feeling or hearing the things that she had 859 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,760 Speaker 1: to hear and watching the things that she had to watch, 860 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 1: and then the couch honestly, for me just kind of 861 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,799 Speaker 1: summarized everything was like, you know what, I'm okay coming 862 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 1: to the podcast and saying I'm not okay with this, 863 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,839 Speaker 1: like I'm I feel really good now, saying like this 864 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: was a messed up situation and one person got really 865 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,399 Speaker 1: hurt in it. Yeah, these are one of these. It's 866 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 1: one of those moments that you're like, man, as much 867 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,840 Speaker 1: as I love Michelle as Bachelor, at these moments in 868 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: Paradise that you're like, oh, could we just wait a 869 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 1: little longer to pick the next lead because Natasha would 870 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 1: have been amazing well, from the way things are going 871 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,839 Speaker 1: right now, she might she might be there. She could 872 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,319 Speaker 1: be a next season after Michelle and after whoever the 873 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 1: bachelor is, Hey, Ashley, I think that's enough on the 874 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 1: breakdown of this episode things are looking forward to on 875 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 1: the upcoming episode tomorrow night. Yeah, Okay, so I didn't 876 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 1: get and say this because my version doesn't have this. No, 877 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: I just asked it off the top of my head. 878 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: What what is their unfortunate Well, what I want to 879 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:45,359 Speaker 1: see more of is one of Becca to Tilla, and 880 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 1: three the Joe and Kendall conversation continue. I feel like 881 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,600 Speaker 1: I was expecting more Joe and Kendall towards the end 882 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,479 Speaker 1: of this episode for it to come back up again. 883 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: But I'm assuming that's because tonight's episode, Tuesday or you know, 884 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,840 Speaker 1: whatever day it is supposed to be. Um Is is 885 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: gonna lead with it, I think. And then with Becca 886 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,279 Speaker 1: her being you know, a former bachelort, I just think 887 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,319 Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy that we haven't even seen her 888 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,680 Speaker 1: go on a date yet established anything romantic. Yeah, with 889 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,600 Speaker 1: the week coming to a close here pretty soon, right, 890 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,399 Speaker 1: Also weird thinking about this episode that I don't even 891 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: we didn't have a host there's no sign of a 892 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 1: host the whole episode. And what's also interesting about that is, 893 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: I feel like you didn't really need one. I don't 894 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,799 Speaker 1: really think you need one for paradise. Interesting. Well, hey, 895 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 1: let's take a break here, we come back. We're gonna 896 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,839 Speaker 1: breeze through. Bachelor headlines are this week. Uh, and then 897 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break until we come out tomorrow 898 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 1: to break down another pisode of the Almost FAI podcast. 899 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 1: But until then, we'll be back with bachelor headlines. It's 900 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 1: time for Bachelor headlines with our host an expert, Ashley 901 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,680 Speaker 1: I Kennettie. Well, first headline is this Michelle Young, the 902 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:12,319 Speaker 1: next Bachelorette, stunts in new Bachelorette promo for upcoming season eighteen. 903 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,920 Speaker 1: The quote is I'm ready. Oh, well, she looks ready, 904 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:24,399 Speaker 1: she looks sexy, she looks dominant like a leading lady should. Uh, 905 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 1: and she says, she says, I'm looking for someone who's 906 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 1: going to change the world with me. I'm ready. And then, uh, 907 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 1: she's in this gorgeous dress. You know, it's very glamy. 908 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,759 Speaker 1: It's very like classic glam, old school Hollywood, which kind 909 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,759 Speaker 1: of brings us to our next headline. Yeah, yeah, I 910 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,200 Speaker 1: did read it. Uh. Katie Thurston reacts to Michelle Young's 911 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,240 Speaker 1: glam Bachelorette promo. The quote is I wore a rubber 912 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:58,840 Speaker 1: purple skirt backwards. This is a quain to us. Yes, 913 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: that's funny. She said that the skirt, which everybody made 914 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: fun of in the promo because it just wasn't the 915 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,279 Speaker 1: best look, was a shout out to her vibrator. I 916 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,960 Speaker 1: didn't realize that. Never put two two together, but it 917 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,320 Speaker 1: is kind of funny. It was was that vibrator purple? 918 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,239 Speaker 1: I don't remember. I think it was always like blacked out, 919 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 1: so I don't think we ever saw it. Oh that's right, Okay, 920 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,120 Speaker 1: Well she she may actually be a little annoyed at this, 921 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,320 Speaker 1: she said, regardless, I found love, and I hope Michelle 922 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,799 Speaker 1: does too. I think she's actually a little annoyed at 923 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,200 Speaker 1: the difference in the promos. I would say it probably 924 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: has to do with timing. They have a little bit 925 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,799 Speaker 1: more time to crank out a promo when somebody has 926 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,759 Speaker 1: chosen to be the bachelor atte like six months before 927 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,080 Speaker 1: filming starts. When Katie season, it was like a week before. Yeah, 928 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 1: and uh, I mean to be honest, like it's very 929 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,359 Speaker 1: It was very clear that they really wanted Michelle Young 930 00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: as a bachelorette, Like they moved filming schedules around just 931 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,680 Speaker 1: to have hers a bachelors So like they've been prepping 932 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,040 Speaker 1: for Michelle Young, like you said, for months, and they've 933 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 1: also just they're very like, very excited for her to 934 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,360 Speaker 1: be the bachelorette. So um, but yeah, Katie made a 935 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,200 Speaker 1: good joke about it. She found love. Hopefully Michelle does too. 936 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,839 Speaker 1: I think that's a great comment and I hope they 937 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,799 Speaker 1: both do well. Um. We recently had Connor Brennan on 938 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,360 Speaker 1: the Almost Famous podcast, and here's a headline about him. 939 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,239 Speaker 1: Bachelor in Paradise is Connor Brennan and Victoria Paul spotted 940 00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 1: together in Nashville after filming. Well, guys, they both do 941 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,360 Speaker 1: live in Nashville, and they both have been on the show, 942 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,080 Speaker 1: so I'm pretty sure they could be friends. They didn't 943 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 1: exactly hit it off the first week of Paradise. They 944 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,520 Speaker 1: weren't involved at all. Um, but there was a girl 945 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,359 Speaker 1: got a got a video of them dancing. There's no 946 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,279 Speaker 1: sight of kissing or anything like that. I do not 947 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:59,040 Speaker 1: know that there's anything juicy here. No, I think I 948 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,880 Speaker 1: think they're probably hanging out. They both live there. Maybe friendly, 949 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,840 Speaker 1: maybe not, who knows. But the next headline is forward. 950 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,720 Speaker 1: Bachelor Matt James is set to compete allegedly. We don't 951 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:14,080 Speaker 1: we can't confirm this. This is a rumor, but allegedly 952 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,440 Speaker 1: set to compete on season thirty of Dancing with the Stars. 953 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,399 Speaker 1: This according to us YEP, and while the network has 954 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,880 Speaker 1: not commented on this casting news, the full cast is 955 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,960 Speaker 1: going to be announced this coming Wednesday, September eight, and 956 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,520 Speaker 1: if he is on the list, he will be joining 957 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:36,920 Speaker 1: Tristo Sadder, Melissa Ryecroft, Jake Povaca, Shan Low, Crystals, Nick Faile, 958 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,960 Speaker 1: Joe Mobley, Hannah Brown, and Caitlin Bristow, amongst all the 959 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,800 Speaker 1: Bachelor alums that have also competed on Dancing with the 960 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,520 Speaker 1: Stars over the past few years. I've always taken offensive. 961 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,080 Speaker 1: I was never asked, and um, I think that's because 962 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,080 Speaker 1: the show saw me dance a few times and they're like, yeah, 963 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 1: this is more embarrassing than good would work. I thought 964 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,799 Speaker 1: it was a move. Hey. Rachel Kirknel admits that she 965 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,600 Speaker 1: hit rock bottom after being pressured to stay silent on 966 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:12,759 Speaker 1: resurfaced pictures very interesting. Okay. So on Monday, Rachel appeared 967 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:20,239 Speaker 1: on a show called Unscripted Live um from Privilege to Progress, 968 00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,840 Speaker 1: where she recalled the days leading up to her apology. 969 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,040 Speaker 1: She said, I had a lot of people in my 970 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,600 Speaker 1: ear saying you'll have time. Don't make it worse. You'll 971 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,360 Speaker 1: have your time to speak. We'll give you a platform. 972 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:38,680 Speaker 1: Just waited out. She continued to say, I felt pressured 973 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,200 Speaker 1: to keep it all in and to wait and to 974 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,000 Speaker 1: stay silent, and ultimately, you know, she decided to take 975 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,080 Speaker 1: the first steps and apologize for her actions in an 976 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,560 Speaker 1: Instagram post. So I finally decided to put a statement 977 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,839 Speaker 1: out and then obviously that wasn't enough because it's not 978 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,879 Speaker 1: actually a conversation. Anyone could have written that statement, which 979 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:02,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people had thought. Um, I didn't even 980 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,720 Speaker 1: have any sort of representation at that point. People were like, wow, 981 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,640 Speaker 1: her publicists did great with this, and that's when I 982 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:15,680 Speaker 1: was like, this isn't enough. Um yeah, so interesting, always 983 00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,320 Speaker 1: something I kind of thought about. Yeah, it is interesting, 984 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:22,120 Speaker 1: and it I mean, obviously it was a major season 985 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,600 Speaker 1: in terms of Rachel uh in terms of the show, 986 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,319 Speaker 1: and so it's interesting to hear this stuff come out. 987 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:28,759 Speaker 1: You know, I think a lot of people were just 988 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,680 Speaker 1: hoping she would have the freedom talk um and share 989 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,840 Speaker 1: where she was at and what was going on. So 990 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,000 Speaker 1: it's interesting that she felt pressured not to um. But 991 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,160 Speaker 1: we're starting to hear more about it now. Actually switched 992 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,279 Speaker 1: gears just a bit. We were texting about this this 993 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,959 Speaker 1: week and I was I want to know what was up? Uh, 994 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,759 Speaker 1: and so I asked you and you didn't really know either. 995 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:54,040 Speaker 1: But now we do have, UM some concrete statement here 996 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:59,240 Speaker 1: that Bachelor's Karin Olympio splits from boyfriend Vincent after nearly 997 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,440 Speaker 1: two years quit is they weren't meant to be I know, 998 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,440 Speaker 1: so sad um. You and I were kind of speculating 999 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,759 Speaker 1: it based on like Instagram activity, and then when I 1000 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,840 Speaker 1: saw this headline, I texted Karin and UM, I'm sad 1001 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,640 Speaker 1: that they didn't work out. Uh. It looks like she 1002 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,400 Speaker 1: will be moving out of Arizona. They were living together 1003 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,640 Speaker 1: and apparently they've had only minimal communications since the split. 1004 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,320 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. It's tough because I know that was a 1005 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,040 Speaker 1: relationship that we had Krannon and she talked about she's 1006 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,839 Speaker 1: excited about and you had dinner with and so UM, Yeah, 1007 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,800 Speaker 1: it's tough. Well, hey, uh, interesting headline here. Bachelor in 1008 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,399 Speaker 1: Paradise is Chris Conran, who we haven't heard much from 1009 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,799 Speaker 1: on this episode, which really didn't see his face this episode. Yeah, 1010 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,359 Speaker 1: it's interesting, but he hits back at fans questioning his sexuality. 1011 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,640 Speaker 1: I guess fans were out there, uh questioning uh what 1012 00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:02,439 Speaker 1: he was interested in? Yeah, Chris said on Instagram this week, 1013 00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:07,200 Speaker 1: I've noticed rumors of people questioning my sexuality. I'm not gay. 1014 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:12,040 Speaker 1: It's disrespectful that society effeminates Asian men and uses gay 1015 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:17,479 Speaker 1: as a derogatory term. Don't impose sexuality on individuals. Well, 1016 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,600 Speaker 1: interesting conversation that Chris is now having out there in 1017 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:25,560 Speaker 1: the world. Um. Under the next uh topic, which is 1018 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,960 Speaker 1: about Lance Bass, he wants to host a season of 1019 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:34,920 Speaker 1: The Bachelor with lgbt Q contestants. This according to NBC News. Well, 1020 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,239 Speaker 1: Lance and I have talked about this before. He would 1021 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,720 Speaker 1: be so good at something like this. He did something 1022 00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:45,839 Speaker 1: similar on a cable show where it was a houseful 1023 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,200 Speaker 1: of eligible gay men, and now it looks like he 1024 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,239 Speaker 1: is interested in doing maybe a spinoff um or or 1025 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,640 Speaker 1: maybe just a version or just The Bachelor where it 1026 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:04,280 Speaker 1: is um with a LGBT lead, he said, and he goes, 1027 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,759 Speaker 1: this is a quote from and he goes, if you 1028 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:11,160 Speaker 1: want the most dramatic season ever, do an LGPT version. 1029 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,400 Speaker 1: I think it's time for the Bachelor to do a 1030 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,040 Speaker 1: gay Bachelor. I think that would be so much fun. 1031 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,120 Speaker 1: And I definitely know a host if you need it. 1032 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,080 Speaker 1: He said. I would have not talked to anyone about it, 1033 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:27,279 Speaker 1: but I would be so down, so interesting. Um, I mean, 1034 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,759 Speaker 1: I know you're down. The more you can watch of 1035 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,440 Speaker 1: our buddy Lance Bass, the happier you are. Well. Colton 1036 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,000 Speaker 1: Underwood seen kissing a man in Hawaii, four months after 1037 00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:42,680 Speaker 1: publicly coming out this according to E T Yes So, 1038 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:47,279 Speaker 1: he was spotted kissing Jordan's c Brown in Hawaii. The 1039 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:52,279 Speaker 1: pictures are from TMZ. In these shots, Colton and uh 1040 00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:57,520 Speaker 1: new new bou Jordan's are lounging shirtless on the beach 1041 00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,600 Speaker 1: while staying at the Four Seasons in Maui. Coulton has 1042 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,000 Speaker 1: posted about being at the Four Seasons and mally this week. 1043 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,640 Speaker 1: Um and Colton is like on his phone, Brown's reading 1044 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,640 Speaker 1: a book And in between all this lounging, they share 1045 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,320 Speaker 1: a kiss. And that's what we got right now. And 1046 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,080 Speaker 1: by the way. This guy Jordan Brown, he is Los 1047 00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,960 Speaker 1: Angeles base. He's thirty eight. He is the founder of 1048 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:28,080 Speaker 1: One Blue Hill, which is a boutique political strategy agency. 1049 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,719 Speaker 1: And I read that he I believe he worked on 1050 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:40,160 Speaker 1: the Obama and Hillary Clinton campaigns before find founding this agency. Well, 1051 00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,520 Speaker 1: Bachelort's Michael A. As we like to know him, shares 1052 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,920 Speaker 1: tribute to late wife Laura on anniversary. His quote is 1053 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:52,680 Speaker 1: keep smiling down on us so sad, he says, Happy anniversary, Darling, 1054 00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,279 Speaker 1: I miss you so much that I'm actually at a 1055 00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,000 Speaker 1: loss for words. Imagine that, keep smiling down on us 1056 00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,040 Speaker 1: as you always have, and I'll continue trying my hardest 1057 00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,040 Speaker 1: to make you proud. So much has changed, and yet 1058 00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,560 Speaker 1: my love for you remains the same. I will continue 1059 00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,759 Speaker 1: to carry you with me on a journey that was 1060 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,600 Speaker 1: meant to be ours. And while your body is not near, 1061 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,760 Speaker 1: your spirit remains alive in our hearts. I love you 1062 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,920 Speaker 1: to the moon and back. Pumpkin, I'm gonna start crying. Um. 1063 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:26,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for all the love, laughter and memories that all 1064 00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:32,480 Speaker 1: soon never forget. Oh my, uh Pumpkin, I know. Well, Hey, 1065 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,600 Speaker 1: that's all the headlines we have for today. Uh, that's 1066 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,200 Speaker 1: also the end of the podcast. I am going to 1067 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,000 Speaker 1: take a week off. Ashley will hold down the fort 1068 00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:45,320 Speaker 1: with I Believe a special guest co host Derek paith Uh. 1069 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,320 Speaker 1: We'll be filling in. UM. I'll miss y'all, Actually, i'll 1070 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,400 Speaker 1: miss you. Have a great week. I'll miss you. I'll 1071 00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,560 Speaker 1: be thinking about you. Thank you. I'll be back next week. 1072 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,760 Speaker 1: But until then, I've been bent. I've been Ashley. Hi. Guys. 1073 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,840 Speaker 1: Follow the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on 1074 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,120 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.