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<v Speaker 3>Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No

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<v Speaker 1>So many people that in the sports world that come

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<v Speaker 1>from there tell us about the people from the sports

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<v Speaker 1>world that come there.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, man, Doors just talk about the boys. Sneal from

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<v Speaker 4>the Los Angeles Dodgers. That's heard a picture Tony Sneill.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh yeah, you're talking about uh yeah, Brett he's playing

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<v Speaker 5>for Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but he's from Seattle and we were just talking

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<v Speaker 1>about that.

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<v Speaker 4>He sponsors a love Seattle Select team up there right now.

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<v Speaker 4>That that's where the bats came up at because this

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<v Speaker 4>team gets all the special equipment up there.

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<v Speaker 5>I know it's some dudes from Seattle for sure. You

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<v Speaker 5>know that because I know, uh, Jamal Carver from Seattle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Who else from Seattle?

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, it's it's it's it's some guards that came from

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<v Speaker 5>Seattle for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>From the NBA, Bradley Beal from Tacoma.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, Brady to come yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, but Isaiah Thomas from Yeah, he's from Seattle.

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<v Speaker 1>T I t Yeah, from Seattle, Washington.

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<v Speaker 6>What saying? How many sports players come from up there?

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<v Speaker 1>Man, they got mc breed, I mean know, they got

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<v Speaker 1>to mix a lot. Well, yeah, it's about sports. He

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about sports people. King is from Brandon Roy,

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<v Speaker 1>He from Washington. Brandon Roy Brennon Roy from Seattle.

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<v Speaker 6>Seattle, Yeah, from Seattle.

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<v Speaker 5>Brandon Roy might have been the might have been the

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<v Speaker 5>best hooper from Seattle. Nah, who better than Brandon Roy?

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<v Speaker 6>Nate Robinson Robinson saying better than I'm not saying better

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<v Speaker 6>than Brandon Roy though, Nate Robinson Trump, Nate Robinson isn't

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<v Speaker 6>he from up there?

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<v Speaker 5>He's not better than Brandon Roy.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>From Seattle, like Brandon Roy and his prime before he

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<v Speaker 1>got in jured? Nice?

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<v Speaker 6>Crazy? What's good? Joah?

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<v Speaker 1>What's happening?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not trying cooling man and ready for the Ready

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<v Speaker 6>for the ready?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think it's time we doubled back. You

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<v Speaker 1>feel me?

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<v Speaker 3>And this conversation became bigger than we wanted it to be,

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<v Speaker 3>so I figured like you might as well expound on

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<v Speaker 3>it because we wasn't even really tripping off of the

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<v Speaker 3>conversation of R and B, but it spawned a whole

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<v Speaker 3>other conversation where somebody did the Mount Rushmore. I was like, damn,

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<v Speaker 3>didn't really work.

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<v Speaker 6>Great.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the crack hea for Mount Rushmore? That's a great question. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do the Mount Rushmore. How'll we

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<v Speaker 1>double him back.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I just want to expand further on the conversation

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<v Speaker 3>because I wouldn't have Mike in R and B, okay.

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<v Speaker 5>Because I want to ask you about that, because when

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<v Speaker 5>people ask me about this shit, they was like, so,

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<v Speaker 5>what what's the crack here for R and B? And

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<v Speaker 5>what's so is Mike R and B? Because I know

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<v Speaker 5>you say he's pop, but he.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes pop music a lot, but he does have R

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<v Speaker 1>and B songs in the earlier stages of his career.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if I would say that because

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson five is pop? How do we categorize pop though?

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<v Speaker 6>That's not what we do.

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<v Speaker 3>You're making popular when the goal is to make popular, Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So R and B initially was considered race music, right,

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<v Speaker 3>That's what they called it race music because at one

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<v Speaker 3>time black people were considered people of race, right, and

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<v Speaker 3>white people con themselves of race just them and it

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<v Speaker 3>is everybody else but in us, right, So that like

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<v Speaker 3>when Wexler made the term R and B, you feel me,

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<v Speaker 3>that was a term coin So it was considered black

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<v Speaker 3>music R and B. So anybody black making music, I

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<v Speaker 3>guess some degree you could say that that's some level

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<v Speaker 3>of R and B, like funk would have to be

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<v Speaker 3>a descendant of R and B.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think people understand what R and B means,

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<v Speaker 1>So can you explain that rhythm and blues? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So it's like but Lewis Jordan right as being

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<v Speaker 3>one of the early founders of it, right, this is

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<v Speaker 3>in the forties, but it went through different stages right

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<v Speaker 3>in sub genres. Right, so is a derivative of R

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<v Speaker 3>and B. So I guess it all is. But pop

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<v Speaker 3>music probably could be a derivative of soul, right. Ray

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<v Speaker 3>Charles is probably the father of modern modern pop music.

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<v Speaker 3>But I just I wouldn't have thought that deep, So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not mad at it. I do think pop music

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<v Speaker 3>is black music that white people make.

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<v Speaker 7>Almost wow search stature popularity, no, no, no, And I

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<v Speaker 7>think that's just so so when you don't make music,

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<v Speaker 7>that's how it feels.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like whatever goes popular becomes pop music. But some

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<v Speaker 3>music was actually created to be popular for the mast

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<v Speaker 3>from the beginning, like.

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<v Speaker 4>For everybody, like not just one sector of people, for everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like like like like Kentucky Fried Chicken was

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<v Speaker 3>like soul food for everybody. But I do think Michael

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<v Speaker 3>Jackson has R and B songs, but I wouldn't consider

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<v Speaker 3>that part of his catalog to be like one of

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<v Speaker 3>the greatest R and B catalogs of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you a question, what at.

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<v Speaker 5>A certain point in his career, what was what could

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<v Speaker 5>be considered R and B after because everything he's don't

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<v Speaker 5>put out was popular music everything.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's different, like because remember the time, right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>R and B. That's a new.

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<v Speaker 6>RBN.

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<v Speaker 1>But songs like Thriller that's kind of pop, right, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's a play.

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<v Speaker 6>Beat it so is Lady of My Life? What is

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<v Speaker 6>what is Lady of my Life?

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<v Speaker 1>Lady my Life?

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<v Speaker 5>Is r B?

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<v Speaker 1>For sure?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, lady, that's who you used that? Yeah, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 3>r B like he does have. I mean, it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>just so, it's just so weird. Thing is pop derived

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<v Speaker 3>from funk? Is that the closest connection you could because you.

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<v Speaker 1>Said, no, I think pop the rash from soul?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so so music, Ray Charles wouldn't be R and

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<v Speaker 3>B the rib from So No, R and B is

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<v Speaker 3>the father of soul. R and B is before, So

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<v Speaker 3>R and B is before R and B is the

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<v Speaker 3>father of So what.

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<v Speaker 5>Would you consider uh uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Little Richard. See, I would have thought he was rock

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<v Speaker 1>and roll, rock, rock rock.

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<v Speaker 6>Little Richard is rock because rock rock was rock was

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<v Speaker 6>like like we we think of rock as being the

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<v Speaker 6>rock wasn't to do it. It was a groove was growing.

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<v Speaker 3>All of these things are really small, nuanced things that

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<v Speaker 3>make it different. But I just wouldn't have thought of

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<v Speaker 3>Mike as a as a great art like, well, forgive me,

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<v Speaker 3>that's not the right time, because he's a great R

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<v Speaker 3>B when he has R and B songs. But it's

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<v Speaker 3>so many dope ass people that have a bigger and

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<v Speaker 3>better R and B catalog of music than Michael Jackson.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not not so many neither that was off the

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<v Speaker 1>wall was off the wall R and B album Now

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<v Speaker 1>it's post disco like disco.

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<v Speaker 3>It did R and B songs, So but there are talents, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's why we gotta really look at the eighties

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<v Speaker 3>and the nineties. I respect why even that Dude's list

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<v Speaker 3>had that era, because really R and B didn't become

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<v Speaker 3>R and B the way we know it as far

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<v Speaker 3>as really pure R and B until the late eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder who they say put out the first R

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<v Speaker 1>and B album, It's gonna be somebody in the forties,

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<v Speaker 1>like Louis Jordan is talking about, Like, Okay, I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the eighties.

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<v Speaker 5>Though.

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<v Speaker 1>In the eighties when you think it was really blossoming

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<v Speaker 1>to the R and B we think of.

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<v Speaker 3>Now they consider the first R and B superstar, Bobby Brown,

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<v Speaker 3>don't be cruel.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the kind of widely considered thought, at least amongst people.

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to that fuck with R and B and

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<v Speaker 1>he still had rhythm and blues feel to it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which is shout out to New York Hallum. You

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<v Speaker 3>know what I'm saying, Teddy Riley mm hmm. That's why

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<v Speaker 3>I put so much emphasis probably on That's why I

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<v Speaker 3>put so much emphasis probably on like, uh, the Key

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<v Speaker 3>Sweat Record, the Key Sweat Album.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, what's the time I'm thinking about the traps?

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<v Speaker 6>Damn.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like see, So while my favorite R and B

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<v Speaker 3>album is probably like like, uh, Unpredictable by Jamie Fox,

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<v Speaker 3>I think the greatest.

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<v Speaker 6>That is so crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>Crazy trap that was crazy when he told me that,

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<v Speaker 5>when he told me that too.

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<v Speaker 3>And don't get wrong, because it's not because you don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to be the artist like it's not. Jamie Fox

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<v Speaker 3>is more than a qualified artist and sing really well,

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<v Speaker 3>he can execute well. He's not bad. He's like a

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<v Speaker 3>top tier talent. But that album just is my favorite,

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<v Speaker 3>and I wouldn't argue it for being the greatest. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not saying it's one of the GUFA. I'm telling you

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<v Speaker 3>what y'all think. This is objective, right, and it's my

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<v Speaker 3>favorite in the jam that's not that's a great album.

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<v Speaker 1>This is.

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<v Speaker 3>It goes to that conversation where like when we say,

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<v Speaker 3>what's the better album bad or Bad or make it

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<v Speaker 3>last favor? And I can tell y'all bet Bad is

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<v Speaker 3>a better album than Make It Last fact it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, that sounds crazy because Bad is obviously Michael Jackson.

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<v Speaker 3>It don't mean Keith Sweat is a more successful artist

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<v Speaker 3>than Michael Jackson or a greater artist or a better artist.

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<v Speaker 5>But it just means, like how you put it up

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<v Speaker 5>for TC, put a number on Bad as a as

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<v Speaker 5>a as a record as.

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<v Speaker 3>The bad single is whack. Okay, so the single bad

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<v Speaker 3>is whack or it's not bad bad, it is horrible,

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<v Speaker 3>But I cannot.

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<v Speaker 6>They shot that video inside of a New York City train.

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<v Speaker 6>My mother work that my mother worked the train clerk that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying that.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't believe I'm saying this, But I grew with

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<v Speaker 5>glasses man. But that was not good.

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<v Speaker 1>That is whack.

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<v Speaker 3>The single was whack speed I agree to. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>like that song like that Demon is whack.

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<v Speaker 1>I disagree, you know, I just so it was great

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<v Speaker 1>when I was a little kid.

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<v Speaker 3>When I was a little kid and and that movie

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<v Speaker 3>came out and he was racing against that little animated rabbit.

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<v Speaker 3>That was like the greatest thing in the world to me.

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<v Speaker 3>But as I get older and I'm listening, what what

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<v Speaker 3>the fuck is this?

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<v Speaker 6>Tripping boss?

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<v Speaker 1>Boss?

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<v Speaker 6>They tripping boss? I knew.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that video was like as a kid, like

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<v Speaker 1>the video.

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<v Speaker 5>Was amazing, them getting together and circling each other and

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<v Speaker 5>snapping their fingers.

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<v Speaker 6>No, no, I got New York City train shut the

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<v Speaker 6>train station down. Had had had some of the best

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<v Speaker 6>dances in the video, like got Crazy Dan was an

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<v Speaker 6>amazing video.

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<v Speaker 5>Growing up in Inglewood, I'm watching this video and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 5>you understand that, Yeah, I say, maybe, what is it

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<v Speaker 5>to understand?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't get it. I didn't get it.

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<v Speaker 6>Hold on when you you telling me when you came

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<v Speaker 6>to New York, you're on the train. Didn't think first

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<v Speaker 6>thing he thought it was the.

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<v Speaker 3>Bad Hell No, I had to think about before I thought.

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<v Speaker 3>I never until you just said that, I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh man, I never even thought that.

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<v Speaker 6>That was That was J Street bro or train station

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<v Speaker 6>in New York.

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<v Speaker 3>No bad ship I saw on train stations from hip hop.

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<v Speaker 3>I would have never in my life thought of Bad.

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<v Speaker 6>That was an amazing video. That was an amazing video.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I'm not mad, I think look I think Bad.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Make It Last for Ever is a better

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<v Speaker 3>album and a more important album than Bad. For a

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<v Speaker 3>better album period, just music, sheer music. I agree with you,

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<v Speaker 3>but again, I mean that ain't to say, but Make

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<v Speaker 3>It Last Ever is probably one of the greatest R

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<v Speaker 3>and B albums ever, right, I mean it launched the

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<v Speaker 3>genre and launched the movement.

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<v Speaker 1>It launched a lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean Michael Jackson thought Bad was so good he

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<v Speaker 3>went and got the producer of Maga Last Ever to do.

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<v Speaker 1>His next album. So Michael Jackson agreed with me.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout out to the lunch table that think I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>being fair, But Michael Jackson agreed he was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not messing with Quincy no more.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to Teddy Riley. That's a fact. He was

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<v Speaker 1>good for that. That's not a glasses fact. That's a fact.

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<v Speaker 3>He did that so that he saw that Keith Sweat,

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<v Speaker 3>he saw that Bobby Brown. He was like, I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to get one of them. What we was doing is

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<v Speaker 3>a thing of the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go do this.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how much he thought Bad and Make It Last

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<v Speaker 3>Ever came out close to each other. He saw Bad

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<v Speaker 3>whooping his ass. Black people wasn't fucking with Bad. He

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<v Speaker 3>saw make It Last Forever whooping his ass. Because Megan

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<v Speaker 3>Last Forever is better than Bad. I've been saying this

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<v Speaker 3>for years people. The fact that people even marking Crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think you as a song the album.

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<v Speaker 6>It's an album.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I'm not rolling. He check out. Now you're

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<v Speaker 1>saying the song for.

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<v Speaker 6>Two years about this man and girl, it's better than

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<v Speaker 6>any song gonna make It Last Forever.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not rolling.

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<v Speaker 6>Not Bery and Girl. Nigga's volunten song of the album,

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<v Speaker 6>I want Her.

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<v Speaker 1>It's better than every song on Bad. Yeah, man, I

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<v Speaker 1>have to agree that I want Her. It's better than

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<v Speaker 1>every last song.

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<v Speaker 6>On Bad Bad.

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<v Speaker 1>That's overrated guys very much.

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<v Speaker 6>So are you saying you're saying Bad is the best

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<v Speaker 6>R and B album of all time?

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<v Speaker 1>No, not Bad Bad.

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<v Speaker 6>Bad, I mean I mean make a last feather. No,

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<v Speaker 6>that's that's his Confession A better Confessions. I forgot? Is

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<v Speaker 6>it better Confessions?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no it's not better. No it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>But I prefer Unpredictable over Confessions. Even though Confessions is

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<v Speaker 3>a greater album. Does that make sense? Yeah, like it's

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<v Speaker 3>obvious that.

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<v Speaker 1>Album. But you know again we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, no, because I feel like, uh, off the Wall

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<v Speaker 5>a better album than Thriller, But I think Thriller is

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<v Speaker 5>the greater album.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's and that's what we talk about. The quant

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<v Speaker 1>to find greatness. I ain't mad at that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think R Kelly and Us should really have a

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<v Speaker 3>claim to be on there.

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<v Speaker 1>They really do.

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<v Speaker 3>Like R Kelly easily could be there all time, Like

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<v Speaker 3>that wouldn't even be crazy, Like I wouldn't even debate

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<v Speaker 3>someone saying that.

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<v Speaker 1>R Kelly is the Grads R and B actor. It's

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<v Speaker 1>R Kelly like he's a monster. Can I ask you

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<v Speaker 1>a question, though?

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<v Speaker 5>Do we sleep on babyface when we start talking about

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<v Speaker 5>this R and B?

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<v Speaker 1>My first one because we talk about artists are the

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<v Speaker 1>only artist his pets and he's a nice R and

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<v Speaker 1>B artist talking about artist, and yeah, I get him.

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<v Speaker 3>R Kelly and Usher really has a claim to probably

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<v Speaker 3>be the greatest R and B act. But my issue

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<v Speaker 3>is Michael Jackson's claim is not stronger than Stevie Wonder's claim.

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<v Speaker 5>If we talking about artists, if we just straight up artistry, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>then Michael Jackson's claim is stronger than Stevie.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know, man, because I think how Stevie Wonder

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<v Speaker 9>wrote and produced for Michael Jackson too. But we said

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<v Speaker 9>what we're talking, we saying this artist though, I'm saying

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<v Speaker 9>that Michael Jackson's artistry baby Face back in the conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, Chris Brown on that list, Michael Jackson. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not quite sure as far as just pure R and B.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying not pure R and B like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and again like we can kind of say pop is

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<v Speaker 3>a is a subgenre of R and B because it's

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<v Speaker 3>a sub genre of soul. But I probably would like

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<v Speaker 3>it's hard for me not to imagine the world without

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<v Speaker 3>songs in the Key of Life.

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<v Speaker 6>That's my favorite album of all time right there.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really tough, Like that's the that's kind of the

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<v Speaker 3>jit Like that's R and B and soul like kind

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<v Speaker 3>of the pinnacle, you know what I mean, somebody really

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<v Speaker 3>using black music.

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<v Speaker 1>So when does R and B change? I think R

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<v Speaker 1>and B the way we see it is really in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties. Okay, that's what you were saying, coach.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I think we look at a lot of other

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<v Speaker 3>stuff before as all of the the originals were kind

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<v Speaker 3>of fixing every like they were kind of starting to

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<v Speaker 3>experiment with everything.

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<v Speaker 1>So what changed in R and B in the eighties?

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<v Speaker 1>It just got pure.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they changed it to contemporary army where it

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<v Speaker 3>started kind of being obviously just that.

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<v Speaker 6>They say.

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<v Speaker 5>Ratchet this to R and B two though, Like I

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<v Speaker 5>think it kind of made R and B a little

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<v Speaker 5>more edgy in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I got a little more edgy.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm not upset at that, but I just couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>imagine the world without Stevie Wonders songs in the kid life.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's one of the most important.

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<v Speaker 3>And if that's the case, then we are we If

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<v Speaker 3>we putting Michael Jackson in there, then we have to

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<v Speaker 3>put prints in it. So we're gonna put them all

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<v Speaker 3>in there. It's gonna be really tough for.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Brown.

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<v Speaker 3>Excuse me, it's really tough for Chris Brown, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>really gonna start being tough for us. You're and R Kelly,

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<v Speaker 3>because now if you're just gonna take all of this

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<v Speaker 3>black music, you know that came from R and B,

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<v Speaker 3>and you gotta put Prince now do R Kelly got

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<v Speaker 3>an album as great as let's say, Purple Rain, Probably not.

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<v Speaker 1>That's who R Kelly.

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<v Speaker 6>Probably that Double.

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<v Speaker 5>Purple, that Double us City called the game Trap was

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<v Speaker 5>all right, it was called all he thought he got

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<v Speaker 5>another one. I thought it was.

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<v Speaker 6>All one that was rending black, the one that was

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<v Speaker 6>read in black, the double CD joint. Everything about twelve

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<v Speaker 6>play two.

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<v Speaker 5>Because I know he got one with like thirty thirty

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<v Speaker 5>songs on it, and the only problem a bunch of

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<v Speaker 5>great songs on there. Well, in thirty songs, you're going

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<v Speaker 5>to have about six or seven of them that we're

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<v Speaker 5>just and I think that Purple Rain, Man the Rain

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<v Speaker 5>was a great album.

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<v Speaker 3>So what I'm saying, so this becomes my problem, right, It's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>if we're not gonna try to do pure R and

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<v Speaker 3>B and it just becomes R and B and all

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<v Speaker 3>sub genres, you're gonna have a fight. It's gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>some records in there that probably ain't even just black

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<v Speaker 3>artists exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's crazy. I was gonna ask that question.

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<v Speaker 5>Was known as race at first, that take white people

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<v Speaker 5>out of the conversation altogether.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it brought race. I think it brought white

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<v Speaker 1>people into the conversation when they changed it to R

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<v Speaker 1>and B so you could throw. Have you ever heard

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<v Speaker 1>of an artist named John Billion? Of course, that's one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite artists.

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<v Speaker 5>Bro Okay, I love John Billions.

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<v Speaker 3>I really don't like the only white singers I like.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't say that. I don't really consider most white

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<v Speaker 3>people really good singers. I think people sing really good

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<v Speaker 3>for white people. I think if you listen to have

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<v Speaker 3>like like Tina Marie Sings is Cold, Hall of Notes,

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<v Speaker 3>Darryl Hall, some of these dudes, like, it's some that

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<v Speaker 3>really get cracking. But I just saint Finnish, like Mariah Carey.

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<v Speaker 3>That's out forgive me, Bobby can't. I've got a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of songs Bob in there. Bob got that tone. But

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<v Speaker 3>like that's my point. So Michael McDonald, yep, yep, Michael,

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<v Speaker 3>see like you have to start putting Michael McDonald, dude, brother, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Start talking some shit gonna get crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think we go all the way back, like

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<v Speaker 5>you said, you might have to start with in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>Start at the eighties.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout out to Mark Gear, Shout out to everybody at

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<v Speaker 3>the lunch table, everybody cooking early, because is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>were on this conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew this conversation is gonna be crazy. Softie, what's up?

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<v Speaker 6>Eight?

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<v Speaker 1>And age fast? Boss? What's up? Rough Squish? Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for being here? V what's the deal? Bro?

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<v Speaker 3>Joey Westside, thank you for moderating, Santy Squisch Lext what's

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<v Speaker 3>ut up next?

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<v Speaker 1>I expect you to call in on this conversation. Boss.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I'm gonna piss you off a little bit,

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<v Speaker 3>but just work with me. Yato name, what's happening? Cool,

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<v Speaker 3>what's the deal? We're gonna get to it. Let me

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<v Speaker 3>get going because there's a lot of people cooking at

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<v Speaker 3>the table, so I can't go through all the names.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank y'all for being here because we're trying to work

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<v Speaker 3>it out. Trying to work it out. No, I think

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<v Speaker 3>Mariah is a great singer for like a white person.

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<v Speaker 6>Shit ladies, man, come on.

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<v Speaker 1>You no, like you know what I mean? No, she's

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<v Speaker 1>the no So I see what you are.

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<v Speaker 6>Ryan can't saying I never see highlight that comment.

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<v Speaker 1>Ro can't. Nobody here said I did not.

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<v Speaker 6>See you said Brandy can't tell? You said Brandy can't

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<v Speaker 6>The other day I did not say Brandy the minus

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<v Speaker 6>well the might as well said that. You might as

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<v Speaker 6>well said that.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I did not say. Brandy said she was a seventh.

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<v Speaker 3>You said she was assessing and she was an eight.

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<v Speaker 6>Same thing, it's the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Wheeney Houston and Many Rippleton is tens.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, so that's cap So when Winnie Howston is a ten,

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<v Speaker 5>what's cap Miny Rippleton is like a seven?

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<v Speaker 6>No no, no, no, no no, no, coach, coach, coach.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you don't know that, but I had to

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<v Speaker 1>go back. I had to go back and listen to

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<v Speaker 1>many like you talking about a ten. She's not what

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<v Speaker 1>is wrong with your ears?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm talking about vocally, she's not a ten like she

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<v Speaker 5>had a great song.

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<v Speaker 6>Let let's let him cook for let him cook for

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<v Speaker 6>a while.

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<v Speaker 5>Women, six six mini Rippleton vocally is a ten ripper ripper.

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<v Speaker 1>Ten is attend to you?

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<v Speaker 5>What vocally?

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<v Speaker 1>Finish your thought? And then I'll expound.

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<v Speaker 9>No, I'm I'm asking, yeah, yeah, yeah, anywhere it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So, women, what song?

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<v Speaker 6>What song? Was she?

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<v Speaker 1>Vocally? So great on.

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<v Speaker 5>That last He Got He Got Touched the memory? Just

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<v Speaker 5>play loving You, I do play. It's one of her

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<v Speaker 5>best songs. And what are ya getting from that? To

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<v Speaker 5>where she's a ten vocally she.

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<v Speaker 1>Had a whistlebody else and music that she had a whistle. Nothing, nobody,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody else in music can do it. I knew it.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that what y'all thinking all the way Mariah

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:12.960
<v Speaker 1>carry and in that case the Malaya's for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>But Maria is not Many. That's the problem with your

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<v Speaker 3>This is like me watching basketball. You're watching basket. I

0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:21.200
<v Speaker 3>look at somebody cross over and notice it's just across over.

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<v Speaker 3>You see the nuances is a ten? Many carry cannot

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<v Speaker 3>hold nothing is Diana Russell?

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<v Speaker 9>Then also here we got this how I got out

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<v Speaker 9>of the pocket last.

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<v Speaker 1>Week because you just out of control and so and

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<v Speaker 1>so I said, it's only crazy and not many, not

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<v Speaker 1>one of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Many, for sure. Every single will tell you Mini's a ten.

0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 3>Every single breathing air will tell you.

0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:53.359
<v Speaker 1>Every single will tell you Brandy is a ten too.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, okay, so okay, so exactly so, And I gotta

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:02.200
<v Speaker 5>go with six on that if many rippertains attend.

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<v Speaker 1>Brandy can't do what many does. She can't whistle, Okay, cool,

0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 1>it's not she's singing all right, that she can't whistle.

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<v Speaker 9>We can't we can't say like just because this person

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<v Speaker 9>can't do like they don't have the exact they don't

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<v Speaker 9>have to have the exact same skill set to be

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<v Speaker 9>a ten.

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<v Speaker 6>I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree all the time, Like what is happening?

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:24.280
<v Speaker 3>I know, I'll tell you all the time because you

0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:26.919
<v Speaker 3>pay all the diversity and I'm telling you it's not

0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 3>You could do one thing and be the best at

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<v Speaker 3>it and be a team I'm not Like Anita Baker

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<v Speaker 3>is probably the closest to a tend but it's all low.

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<v Speaker 1>Octive and I do I agree with that.

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:37.600
<v Speaker 3>Or you could have a top octave right like like

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<v Speaker 3>Bobby de Barge right and switch.

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<v Speaker 5>I agree with that, But I'm just saying if, but

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<v Speaker 5>if you're going to call many Ripperton attend and there's

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<v Speaker 5>some other people that you left out, then.

0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:50.800
<v Speaker 1>That no, you just have bad ears.

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying you don't know way you can listen to

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:55.240
<v Speaker 3>many Ripperton and don't think to yourself that realized this

0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:56.400
<v Speaker 3>is kind of like a one.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that she's a great I think she has

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<v Speaker 5>great songs and she don't really.

0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Have she don't really have a lot of great songs

0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:05.400
<v Speaker 1>are great? A great song?

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:11.600
<v Speaker 3>You talk about her vote vocally as a monster. She's

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<v Speaker 3>like a real deal vocalist.

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:16.439
<v Speaker 5>Okay, cool, cool cool. I think she does that one thing.

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:18.120
<v Speaker 5>I think she's in her lane. She got her lane

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 5>and she does that very well.

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing. She don't have a lane. Hers is variety.

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. She she covered the spectrum. She like yo,

0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Lebron James. What anyway, she's like a spectrum. My ears

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 1>are bad, man, Let's move it on there. That's cool.

0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:38.640
<v Speaker 5>Apparently all y'all think she's a ten, so I'm out.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's a cracking pa Bell is probably a ten.

0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:48.679
<v Speaker 1>Pal Belt is a ten.

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<v Speaker 5>Team for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>But but the point I was making was, this is

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:57.879
<v Speaker 3>a real weird conversation because we're trying to decide.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we calling everything in R and B?

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:05.880
<v Speaker 3>Since since all of the sub genres right, which could

0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:08.160
<v Speaker 3>be sold, which could be pop, which could be funk,

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 3>which could be all of these things kind of come

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 3>from the original rhythm and blues.

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Once you got past gospel.

0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:17.120
<v Speaker 3>So it's like, even when I look at a Michael Jackson, right,

0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 3>it's like, Michael Jackson made more pop songs and R

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:23.160
<v Speaker 3>and B something me wrong. His R and B songs

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 3>is fire, right, But I'm just saying, it's people that

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 3>have really dope pop some and he's one of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Who's your top five white soul singers?

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<v Speaker 6>You know, he don't toe into that. He don't toe

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:47.400
<v Speaker 6>into that too much as that one. You know, I'm

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 6>toning to that too much. They don't carry souls, so

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:53.400
<v Speaker 6>he ain't gonna listen to that, right am? I? Right?

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 6>Am I? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Glasses? My favorite five soul singers white one.

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:03.280
<v Speaker 3>Only so many white people were sold it is it

0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 3>favorite five white songs? Okay, so personally my favorite five,

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<v Speaker 3>right is is Daryl Hall. Daryl Hall got the best

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 3>voice of any white person ever. I fucking love Darryl Hall. Boys, Daryl,

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:22.920
<v Speaker 3>I wish I actually sang like Daryl Hall. Darryl Hall

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 3>is the ship. Number two, remember Daryl Hall?

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 6>Clip this please?

0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 3>I think you did, because it's gonna be really tough

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:39.600
<v Speaker 3>like number two. The Little Lady out of It that

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 3>Rick James put on Tina right, tanum reed, for sure,

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:45.920
<v Speaker 3>that's that's.

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:51.360
<v Speaker 1>The real deal. Okay, Now just voice.

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<v Speaker 3>Bobby called, well, he ain't got that many songs that

0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:58.479
<v Speaker 3>I really jam, but Bobby called withell voice is fire.

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 1>M right.

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<v Speaker 3>Number four is Michael McDonald mm hmm. Best voice and soul,

0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:11.200
<v Speaker 3>put some soul in there. And number five Elton John

0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 3>m hmm.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, Phil Collins or nothing. I think. I think I say,

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 6>George Michaels some ship like.

0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>George on that man, No Elton, John, el Jonathan.

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<v Speaker 6>Go out and go.

0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:31.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't really think that's how I like. Like listening

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 3>to Brian Carey is like listening to like a diet

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 3>version of Minnie Riperton. They always called it a little

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 3>that's missing when she goes up there, it's like a

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:42.959
<v Speaker 3>soul that's missing.

0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with that. That's my five favorite white

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 1>soul sing They got sould so no female white females.

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 1>You just didn't okay, you don't.

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<v Speaker 6>Mess with that. He don't mess with that.

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 3>He don't mess no, no, no, no no no. Adale

0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:04.160
<v Speaker 3>is cool for like a white singer.

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 6>Mm hmman song.

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 3>If her sisters sang like Adele, I wouldn't even listen

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 3>to her.

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Hey, let me ask you, where were you? Where's like

0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 1>every sister walking down? Where'd y'all put Celine Dion vocally?

0:31:17.360 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 1>You can sing for a white lady?

0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm a glass on that one.

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:24.360
<v Speaker 1>What was the Mexican girl. Back in the days he

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:25.600
<v Speaker 1>used to sing.

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<v Speaker 6>Selena, talking about what's Selena? No no no coming, no

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 6>no no, no no no. He's talking about talking about

0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:39.520
<v Speaker 6>Lera who to be cracking for white man. I was

0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:41.800
<v Speaker 6>talking about the incredible.

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Some of it. Look some of them white ladies, white lady.

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 5>But all these all those white ladies you just named

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 5>are are what you're talking about as far as know.

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 5>So they don't they got so they got sol for

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 5>like white people. Yeah, white people. So white people they

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 5>don't sound.

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Like got sold.

0:31:57.560 --> 0:32:02.520
<v Speaker 5>Tina Tina, Tina, Tina got it is bad.

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 3>That's a bad motherfucker. That's that's tinam Ree is a

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:11.840
<v Speaker 3>real deal. Yeah, ain't nobody gonna play with Teena Marie.

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 1>That's real. I like wine House voice shout out to

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 1>the lunch tape. I like Amy, that was cool. I

0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>feel like.

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 3>Listening to Amy wine House like like a very diet

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 3>light minute made version of like.

0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Nina Simone.

0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 6>I was thinking the same thing. That's a second jazz

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 6>like I think the thing that's that's what it feels like.

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 1>When I listened to uh, Amy Winehouse, It's like, yeah,

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 1>what about Robin Think?

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 3>I like Rob Robin think is a dope white singer.

0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 3>You can sing, period, but that's for white people. He's

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:55.320
<v Speaker 3>gonna be like a nine now on just black singers,

0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 3>he like a six.

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:00.840
<v Speaker 1>I know you gonna kill me for this.

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<v Speaker 5>But j T, that's like j was a better singer

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 5>until he got on the stage with Brian mcnott.

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you realize it. Yeah, it was different, Like j

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:18.720
<v Speaker 1>T was a good singer than Brian.

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 6>He they did.

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 5>You know, they got a song together, they got the

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:23.240
<v Speaker 5>stage of performing. I was there alive, and it was different.

0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 5>It was idam. He can't even say that.

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you don't want to see That's what I'm saying

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:34.160
<v Speaker 3>with like John, Beyonce is probably like a seven or eight.

0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:39.280
<v Speaker 1>If Brian you're gonna get drugged for that. I know

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 1>from about I think she's an We just said vocally

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 1>no six. Do you have inside information on Beyonce? Like

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:49.720
<v Speaker 1>is she what is she?

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:50.880
<v Speaker 5>Vocally? Beyonce?

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 9>I don't really listen to Beyonce to be honest, I

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:54.920
<v Speaker 9>never heard the album or anything.

0:33:55.280 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 1>I've only heard singing. Yeah, I never listened. I never

0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 1>was drawn to her musical that.

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:02.480
<v Speaker 6>So you heard one plus one though.

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking Beyonce is somewhere, Like I said, think, I

0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:06.920
<v Speaker 3>think she a lot stronger than everybody.

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 1>To get me credit for I think Beyonce is underrated

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 1>as a singer though yeah I agree.

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 6>I agree.

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:15.720
<v Speaker 5>It might be closer to her nine and you think.

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 3>That could be true, but she don't do the songs

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:20.160
<v Speaker 3>to exercise where she could go.

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 1>She also kind of stay controlled.

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:37.880
<v Speaker 3>So after walk, Rihanna is not an eight bro, that's.

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:38.480
<v Speaker 1>The bos nigga. Rihanna is a little bit. Rihanna is

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:42.239
<v Speaker 1>a little better than Cassie. You said that. In fact,

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:47.839
<v Speaker 1>she was a little better than Cassie. Yeah. Yeah, see

0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 1>that's a hot take.

0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:51.879
<v Speaker 3>And I get wide, bro because as a fan, y'all

0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:55.520
<v Speaker 3>feel like y'all listen like we kind of really listened

0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:58.359
<v Speaker 3>to it. Like if you thought Rihanna was an eight bro,

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 3>your fucking taste is horrible.

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:01.319
<v Speaker 6>That's crazy.

0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.839
<v Speaker 3>Like now, Rihanna as an as a female vocalist as

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:09.359
<v Speaker 3>excuse me, as a female actor, great act, She's an

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 3>amazing act, but not vocally, bro, No before, it's not diabolical.

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:20.359
<v Speaker 3>T bods is a four? No six is you can

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 3>sing at a six like you get cracking at a.

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:26.719
<v Speaker 5>Six cracking out of six is crazy heard boy singing.

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm about to put her up.

0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:30.400
<v Speaker 6>I think a unique voice though.

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 1>I think that's her selling point, her unique voice.

0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:41.359
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's what it was. Eight and nine. She get

0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:44.839
<v Speaker 6>up there, so yeah, I have to listen a little

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:47.440
<v Speaker 6>bit more. She gets listen.

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 3>Whitney Houston and many Riperton are teens, right, that's that's great,

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:54.279
<v Speaker 3>Like you know, I mean, it's people up there too.

0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:58.799
<v Speaker 3>So if you're Whitney Houston, you're t bos. That's what

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:00.360
<v Speaker 3>you have to compare. H.

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:10.240
<v Speaker 1>But you don't need agree with Whitney. Uh, you don't

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:12.759
<v Speaker 1>need to be like like.

0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 3>See, when I think of R and B, I think

0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:17.759
<v Speaker 3>of people like Luther Vandraws, people that really just sing, hm.

0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:22.120
<v Speaker 3>They don't really like Luther Vandross is a ten vocally

0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 3>like Luther Van Draws is a ten. Everybody know Luther

0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:33.320
<v Speaker 3>Van not argument between no human beings that no. Luther

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:37.040
<v Speaker 3>Vandross vocally is a te Luther Luther. Everybody know Luther

0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:39.720
<v Speaker 3>Vandras Tu. You ain't got to look at nobody. Marvin

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:40.439
<v Speaker 3>Gay is a ten.

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 9>I just listened to T boys. Yes, how fast I

0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:45.840
<v Speaker 9>clicked back to the to the part, right.

0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 5>You just listen to t balls.

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 1>What would you give from me? Like five? Six? Thank you?

0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 1>That's what it ain't I said, it's four.

0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:00.360
<v Speaker 5>I said like five six?

0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:04.799
<v Speaker 1>Or is I think? Okay, I mean, but that's your

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 1>that's your opinion. Yeah, because because.

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:12.280
<v Speaker 3>You gotta have space in the middle, Like, right, where's

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 3>Tina Marie?

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Teana Marie is seen them? Damn near might be a

0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:17.840
<v Speaker 1>nine bro.

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 3>Right, So then think about how good Tina Marie is

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 3>compared to teapots.

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:23.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, that's what's the five point? That's what

0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:26.879
<v Speaker 1>five like. It's not about three points, about bout five

0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:30.719
<v Speaker 1>points like them big three points though. Okay, let's go seven.

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 3>Eight, let me think, let me think I got you.

0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:40.440
<v Speaker 3>Who's that uh Tony Braxton? Okay, see where'd you put Tony?

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:45.319
<v Speaker 5>Tony might be like a you might be like eight

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 5>and a half Tony Braxton eight and a half nine.

0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 1>You know what, I'm not mad at that?

0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:54.080
<v Speaker 6>Locally eight.

0:37:56.440 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 1>You can track. Yeah, I gotta go out to VLAs is.

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Where would you put Alicia Keys?

0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:03.279
<v Speaker 6>Six?

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 5>That's a good question, seven, seven, eight, seven because she

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.839
<v Speaker 5>can even relate them goddamn piano course mm hmm.

0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:20.240
<v Speaker 3>She kind of just she like really sneaky good too,

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.400
<v Speaker 3>like Alicia Keys vocally is sneaky good?

0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Do you think only a seven or eight I got?

0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:30.759
<v Speaker 1>I have to really listen to a seven or eight.

0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:33.360
<v Speaker 5>Let me ask you a question because I thought about

0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:36.920
<v Speaker 5>something that we talked about yesterday. Do some people, because

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:40.680
<v Speaker 5>they're such good performers, get that taken away from their

0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:42.280
<v Speaker 5>their their performance vocally?

0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:44.360
<v Speaker 1>I think Michael Jackson is one of those people.

0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:48.319
<v Speaker 5>Because, like I said, Mike, what about Prince vocally than

0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:48.759
<v Speaker 5>we think he is?

0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:52.719
<v Speaker 6>Prince is great vocally, though, Prince s different actors like

0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:54.600
<v Speaker 6>Prince is crazy just live.

0:38:54.560 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Like twice Prince Prince is different. You see, he's Prince.

0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:04.879
<v Speaker 3>And Alicia Keys are kind of like close. I don't

0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:06.960
<v Speaker 3>know that might be pushing I need to.

0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:08.919
<v Speaker 1>A Prince live.

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:15.000
<v Speaker 5>Prince vocally was flawless, old flaws bro it was crazy.

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:19.359
<v Speaker 6>Change is active. The way he's singing, you're saying, he's

0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 6>saying many different ways though the Princess crazy professional one

0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:24.919
<v Speaker 6>of the team.

0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 1>You get Prince seven seven, You got Prince in the

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:35.800
<v Speaker 1>same realm as Alicia Keys. Yeah, they do the same thing. Actually,

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:40.560
<v Speaker 1>what you think about that trapping six? Wow? That I

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:42.360
<v Speaker 1>don't agree with Prince.

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 6>Nine eight and a half.

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:48.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, no, he's not a nine. Wait so six?

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:50.680
<v Speaker 1>You say no to a nine or eight or a

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 1>seven or eight prince vocally? No, I'm saying no to seven.

0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, seven or eight? That's what I said.

0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:00.440
<v Speaker 5>What you what you gotta uh king.

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 1>By the eight.

0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:11.319
<v Speaker 6>And a half. Hmm, came my man, let's don't sing da.

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 1>He's different. His different vocally. He is nice, but he's not.

0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:22.520
<v Speaker 5>I think he's one of those guys who performed so

0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:25.080
<v Speaker 5>well that where you you forget how.

0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Good you know?

0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 3>It's not Michael Jackson is. That's my problem. And Michael

0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 3>Jackson I think better, a better vocalist, and I feel.

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:35.879
<v Speaker 1>Like losing your fucking mind.

0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:36.120
<v Speaker 6>Man.

0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:37.239
<v Speaker 1>It's cool.

0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:38.600
<v Speaker 6>You got you got Stevie.

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:39.880
<v Speaker 1>It's close.

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:42.360
<v Speaker 6>You got Stevie.

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 3>Vocally, the same place, the same place with Prince and

0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:50.840
<v Speaker 3>Lisa Key.

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:54.480
<v Speaker 6>Is not with them being come on stop that.

0:40:56.840 --> 0:41:05.680
<v Speaker 3>Sneaky, really really good, bro. She has a good control,

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:10.719
<v Speaker 3>she has good range. She's not I'm telling you she

0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:14.759
<v Speaker 3>a lot sneakier good than you could imagine that.

0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:19.880
<v Speaker 9>I gotta come through soon, and we got to spend

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:23.560
<v Speaker 9>like an hour or two and I got I have to.

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.040
<v Speaker 9>I gotta train your ear to show you what you

0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:27.160
<v Speaker 9>need to be listening to.

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Got you that's fair. You know you do it. You're here.

0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:35.560
<v Speaker 1>I know, no, you got to do it. But but

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 1>I think it's fair for me.

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 6>No music.

0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's music vocally. I agree with that.

0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:47.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's a disservice to say Stevie Wonder

0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:49.759
<v Speaker 3>is an eight vocally. That's not I'm not disserve it's

0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:54.240
<v Speaker 3>not a disservice to him or because really, their calling

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:55.799
<v Speaker 3>card is not necessarily the.

0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Performance I say. I think they're calling card.

0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:00.239
<v Speaker 3>Is the fact that these are some of the ad

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:04.399
<v Speaker 3>as musicians ever ever that could actually sing me as.

0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:07.840
<v Speaker 1>I think, Prince, I mean, I think you.

0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:10.480
<v Speaker 9>You have to go listen to my bad coach. You

0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:16.280
<v Speaker 9>gotta go listen to Stevie Wonders vocally on the live

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:19.400
<v Speaker 9>version of Ribbon in the Sky where he's emulating the

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:21.960
<v Speaker 9>instruments that are playing at the end in the band

0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:25.239
<v Speaker 9>Nigga that vocal performances out of it.

0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 3>Again again, I'm not I'm not again, I'm not stuck here.

0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:31.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying, if you're asking me, this is my thought,

0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:34.479
<v Speaker 3>now again I could go do this, do a deep

0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:36.759
<v Speaker 3>dive and realize I was tripping this.

0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Niggas as good as you gets? What about Smokey Robinson?

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Seven eight.

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:47.799
<v Speaker 6>You got?

0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:48.440
<v Speaker 1>You got?

0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:49.800
<v Speaker 6>Donny Hathaway.

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:55.239
<v Speaker 10>Yes, a tough crowd, everybody. When I listened to you

0:42:55.280 --> 0:43:01.080
<v Speaker 10>sing bro like I want to him, you got eight

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 10>eight nine is nice.

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:06.400
<v Speaker 6>I ain't mad at that.

0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 3>See like I like Bobby. The bars is a ten

0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:17.239
<v Speaker 3>one gear. Right, here's a question. Six I got you?

0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:19.360
<v Speaker 3>Where's Berry White vocally?

0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's a good one vocal I don't even know.

0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I probably they can play with these. I respect.

0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:35.840
<v Speaker 9>From your neighborhood. I'm not doing the twins from the

0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:36.920
<v Speaker 9>Whispers coach.

0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, I'm going back to burrial fast.

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:42.480
<v Speaker 6>Look at Joey Webside, said Joey Westie with a ten

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:59.720
<v Speaker 6>from Bothy.

0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 1>That's not bad. Seven and a half at bad. I'm

0:43:56.560 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 1>not mad at that. Okay, when from the Whispers day

0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:02.799
<v Speaker 1>that's some bad one.

0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:06.920
<v Speaker 3>They get cracky, they solid what's funny is Rothel is

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:10.360
<v Speaker 3>my favorite vocalist as far as male vocalist, Well, obviously

0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:13.759
<v Speaker 3>there's a couple, but ro is my I've listened to

0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 3>more Rothel Music than any other male vocals.

0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:19.720
<v Speaker 5>This is where you get people fucked up, though, because

0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:22.799
<v Speaker 5>you give all these other singers seven's and six and

0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:23.920
<v Speaker 5>ship and then you be like.

0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:31.439
<v Speaker 1>Jamie Fox unpredictable. That's crazy, crazy.

0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 3>Because you don't need to have a ten for you

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:38.560
<v Speaker 3>to be my What really they are? How they make me?

0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:38.919
<v Speaker 6>Number?

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Does it get? Ro Probably a seven?

0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:43.560
<v Speaker 6>Eight?

0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:47.320
<v Speaker 1>And then I'm like, go ahead, go sx.

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:50.920
<v Speaker 9>My Nigga Gavin from Third Story, who don't get no

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:54.440
<v Speaker 9>claim to fame as a ten vocally and nobody probably.

0:44:54.239 --> 0:45:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Even heard of them. But I put that with anybody, hm, anybody? Yeah,

0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 1>I have to think about it.

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:05.920
<v Speaker 3>I think it like I think my my rating system

0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:08.560
<v Speaker 3>makes sense because I'm judging just singing, Like you don't

0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:11.360
<v Speaker 3>have to be the greatest singer to be my favorite. Again,

0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Like I'm like, Michael Jackson is a way greater vocalist

0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 3>than Keith Sweat, but Make It Last Ever is a

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:18.320
<v Speaker 3>better album than Bad.

0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:22.320
<v Speaker 5>But I think a lot more goes than making a

0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:24.160
<v Speaker 5>great album than just vocals exactly.

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:26.360
<v Speaker 1>So that's why I don't think what I'm saying it's crazy,

0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:31.600
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. Whitney Houston is one of

0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:32.200
<v Speaker 1>the greatest.

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:35.480
<v Speaker 3>It's probably the greatest female vocalists ever. And I don't

0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:39.120
<v Speaker 3>play none of her songs. I wouldn't be caught dead

0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:42.440
<v Speaker 3>playing with me. Why not weekly, I just.

0:45:42.360 --> 0:45:47.640
<v Speaker 6>Don't care about the records they come on. I want

0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:48.880
<v Speaker 6>to dance with somebody.

0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Never traver right one too. I want to have about

0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:58.120
<v Speaker 1>that ship is the ship? Yeah, I would never remember

0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:02.439
<v Speaker 1>that line of Richie. They don't play all night long.

0:46:06.440 --> 0:46:09.040
<v Speaker 3>A lot of ches with the commodoors and maybe hello

0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:10.439
<v Speaker 3>hey all night long?

0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:16.720
<v Speaker 6>Only I got one for you, bro, what's Teddy Pendergras.

0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Line?

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:21.239
<v Speaker 3>Just could start making pop music? He started competing and

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:22.480
<v Speaker 3>and I respected that.

0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:27.399
<v Speaker 1>I just I don't thriller, Bro. I just saw something

0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:29.800
<v Speaker 1>this morning, Bro, I gotta send it to y'all. It

0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:33.600
<v Speaker 1>was one I don't know. I don't play thriller either. Yeah,

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:36.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't play thriller like I sometimes when I do either,

0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:38.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't play bad or thriller.

0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:45.400
<v Speaker 5>Off the wall, off the wall that that get played.

0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:50.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, tankers are ten. Tankers are ten vocally for sure.

0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:54.920
<v Speaker 5>And you know what that was new when you said that.

0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:56.960
<v Speaker 5>That was news to me. But but if you you know,

0:46:57.000 --> 0:47:00.359
<v Speaker 5>if you heard I'm saying, you heard it. He might

0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:02.640
<v Speaker 5>know like that that is news to me.

0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:03.760
<v Speaker 1>You say, the expert.

0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:08.239
<v Speaker 9>That's why these all these plaquis R and B.

0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:17.560
<v Speaker 5>Nigga, I'm a rapper locally. Tank is ten a ten Yeah,

0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:22.200
<v Speaker 5>because when I started atas, I was like, okay, but

0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:24.400
<v Speaker 5>he got inside information.

0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:25.320
<v Speaker 1>I think I think he's.

0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:29.120
<v Speaker 3>Talking about his professional skill set as a singer. It's

0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:31.480
<v Speaker 3>still like an execution, like Tank ain't no.

0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:35.359
<v Speaker 9>Goddamn professional skill set because I always look at it.

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:37.719
<v Speaker 1>I always look at it this way right.

0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:40.960
<v Speaker 9>I've had people over the years call me and say, Yo,

0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:44.239
<v Speaker 9>I'm with so and so with this girl. Whatever she

0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:46.000
<v Speaker 9>could sing, you want to hear a sing And I'm

0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:49.319
<v Speaker 9>like no, because you being able to sing in front

0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:50.880
<v Speaker 9>of me or sing on the phone don't mean you

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:52.040
<v Speaker 9>can go in there and make a record.

0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that's singing. We're not talking about to make

0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:56.520
<v Speaker 1>a record.

0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:59.800
<v Speaker 9>But I'm saying, like, I don't look at Tank's ability

0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:05.080
<v Speaker 9>to go in and uh to make a record professionally

0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:07.280
<v Speaker 9>based on that that nigga can stand on the corner

0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:12.279
<v Speaker 9>just like she stand in the corner. Okay, I don't know,

0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:14.279
<v Speaker 9>g man. I heard somebody talk to me about it

0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:17.360
<v Speaker 9>yesterday too. I sing it like really singing. She stood,

0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:19.959
<v Speaker 9>don't think like She started, bringing me through the history

0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:21.040
<v Speaker 9>of he was a backup singer.

0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:26.399
<v Speaker 1>Started, She started, I'm gonna show you. I'm gonna show

0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:27.600
<v Speaker 1>you when I pull up on you show me.

0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:29.319
<v Speaker 3>Yep, I got to pull up on Tank and just

0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:30.759
<v Speaker 3>make him just go, get cracking, nigga.

0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:34.879
<v Speaker 1>So get cracking.

0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:40.799
<v Speaker 3>Real nigga real. Like a lot of my stuff is

0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:45.560
<v Speaker 3>not considered the greatest thing. No no, he's not. No, no,

0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:47.360
<v Speaker 3>And this is my problem. And this is why I

0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:51.160
<v Speaker 3>won't let you say that ship six see the type

0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:55.000
<v Speaker 3>of ship that's happened. But that's what is different than yours.

0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Though you need to say somebody's a ten. You gotta

0:48:57.680 --> 0:49:02.960
<v Speaker 1>sing as good as Luther. Luther is his standard. I mean,

0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:03.759
<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna say it.

0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:08.920
<v Speaker 3>Like, I'm like, you gotta sing as good as these people.

0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:10.640
<v Speaker 3>You don't have to sing just like them, but it

0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:14.000
<v Speaker 3>has to be as good as him. So like Tank,

0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:16.080
<v Speaker 3>I thought Tank is more than a qualified sacre. I

0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:18.400
<v Speaker 3>think Tank get cracking. I would have thought Tank is

0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:21.239
<v Speaker 3>an eight or something seven eight. He understands music, he

0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:24.040
<v Speaker 3>understands equipment, instruments, he know how to do all of

0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:24.359
<v Speaker 3>that shit.

0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:24.799
<v Speaker 1>He tough.

0:49:25.200 --> 0:49:27.000
<v Speaker 3>But I wouldn't have thought the niggas saying him and

0:49:27.080 --> 0:49:29.240
<v Speaker 3>Luther on the corner, it wouldn't be no motherfucking battle.

0:49:29.320 --> 0:49:31.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the hell six talking about Luther

0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:31.799
<v Speaker 1>would blow.

0:49:31.920 --> 0:49:34.120
<v Speaker 9>I didn't say nothing about Luther, Nigga, you just made

0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:38.399
<v Speaker 9>him he is six. But that's your criteria you. Luther

0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:39.759
<v Speaker 9>is your standard, not mine.

0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Is Luther not a team? Oh that's a good one.

0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:47.839
<v Speaker 1>Can I Can I say this though? Can I say

0:49:48.320 --> 0:49:52.560
<v Speaker 1>now that six six is saying this shit? A classes

0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:56.160
<v Speaker 1>in this Luther talk? Is just want you to say Luther.

0:49:56.440 --> 0:49:57.720
<v Speaker 5>I'm just gonna say this, man.

0:49:57.600 --> 0:49:58.680
<v Speaker 1>That's why I looked at him early.

0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:02.520
<v Speaker 5>Luther is cool, is tight, Luther's don't average no disrespect

0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:05.040
<v Speaker 5>from about Luther. But I don't know if if Luther

0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:06.719
<v Speaker 5>Tank staying on the corner, I don't know if Luther

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:10.759
<v Speaker 5>just killed Tank. I'm gonna be honest with you, man.

0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:13.959
<v Speaker 5>After listening to Tank, listen to Luther. Luther is done.

0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:17.600
<v Speaker 9>Just go listen, bro, you gotta understand nothing you could

0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:19.400
<v Speaker 9>listen to that's gonna be close.

0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:21.399
<v Speaker 5>Because Glass has got those he got some old people

0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:23.239
<v Speaker 5>in his head that he just he just they on

0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:24.520
<v Speaker 5>that that pantheon for him.

0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:27.520
<v Speaker 1>But so you're saying, Luther van Dross don't deserve what

0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:28.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying.

0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:31.400
<v Speaker 5>See, he gonna try to get me saying that's what

0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:31.840
<v Speaker 5>you want.

0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:33.800
<v Speaker 1>To say, though you're saying.

0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:39.560
<v Speaker 3>Much every other sake, Luther van Dross is one of

0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:41.320
<v Speaker 3>the greatest vocalists to ever exist.

0:50:41.400 --> 0:50:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Luther is there true Luther?

0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:48.040
<v Speaker 5>Okay, I don't want to say nothing too bad, but.

0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:50.919
<v Speaker 1>That's all you did last week.

0:50:52.000 --> 0:50:54.080
<v Speaker 5>And I just asked questions about that. People probably talking

0:50:54.080 --> 0:50:55.040
<v Speaker 5>bad about him all the time.

0:50:58.480 --> 0:51:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Is Luther operted? No, this is your fault six I know, No,

0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:11.160
<v Speaker 1>you did know, so you know you did Bush. I'm

0:51:11.200 --> 0:51:12.839
<v Speaker 1>a seven year old. This is why. This is why

0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I staying on it. So I don't have this.

0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:16.600
<v Speaker 5>I'm a seven year old. I don't I'm asking a

0:51:16.680 --> 0:51:20.480
<v Speaker 5>question somebody. I'm just is Luther overrated?

0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:23.600
<v Speaker 1>No, not that, not even close to overrated?

0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:27.080
<v Speaker 5>Okay, So so is he rated properly then? Or is

0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:29.600
<v Speaker 5>he he's right where he needs to be at Luther

0:51:31.960 --> 0:51:35.239
<v Speaker 5>that's one of the greatest This is Luther is a.

0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:36.359
<v Speaker 1>It's for me.

0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:42.560
<v Speaker 9>Ago because my thing is this like even Luther could

0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:46.399
<v Speaker 9>be a twelve, like Whitney could be a twelve.

0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Those type of things. Is that measurement. But some of

0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:53.160
<v Speaker 1>these players are in their own realm, bro.

0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:55.640
<v Speaker 3>Like, But they have to be able to sing as

0:51:55.680 --> 0:51:58.479
<v Speaker 3>these people in these realms to be a ting.

0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:01.560
<v Speaker 9>That's why men, let me ask you this. Are you

0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:04.919
<v Speaker 9>saying that the people that you have as eights male

0:52:05.000 --> 0:52:08.880
<v Speaker 9>singers don't have the ability to do what the tens

0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:09.640
<v Speaker 9>do vocally?

0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:13.279
<v Speaker 1>They can have the moment.

0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:18.160
<v Speaker 3>What you mean, they got him, so they deliver sometimes,

0:52:18.600 --> 0:52:23.080
<v Speaker 3>but a ten is a ten every time, Like Luther

0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:25.520
<v Speaker 3>is Luther Van Draws no matter how you slice it.

0:52:28.080 --> 0:52:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Somebody said, what would you rate James Brown?

0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:34.200
<v Speaker 9>Come on, Oh no, James Brown good singer.

0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:42.680
<v Speaker 3>He was on his Godfather soul Ship. He kind of

0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:45.360
<v Speaker 3>got a unique tone. He's an underrated singer to me,

0:52:45.440 --> 0:52:49.279
<v Speaker 3>he could sing. But you can't go funk James Brown

0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:52.280
<v Speaker 3>because obviously he wasn't singing at that point that nigga

0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:54.000
<v Speaker 3>was just shouting her.

0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:57.520
<v Speaker 5>But Josh, this is what you do to you though,

0:52:57.560 --> 0:53:00.920
<v Speaker 5>Like g y'all be saying, I'm baiting you know what?

0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:06.600
<v Speaker 1>What you start calling me? Coach? This is dark? Hey,

0:53:07.040 --> 0:53:07.560
<v Speaker 1>this is dark.

0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:08.279
<v Speaker 6>This is dark.

0:53:08.320 --> 0:53:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Beata right here?

0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:13.279
<v Speaker 5>Does he do his baiting really fly? And I just

0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:15.440
<v Speaker 5>come out and ask my question. GV wanted you to

0:53:15.520 --> 0:53:19.719
<v Speaker 5>lead yourself into some bullshit little sneaky ship.

0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:25.279
<v Speaker 3>I have a constant, so like I'm okay with saying

0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:27.040
<v Speaker 3>him because I have to stand on him. So then

0:53:27.120 --> 0:53:28.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to wake up one day and find

0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:31.400
<v Speaker 3>somebody else. So we're talking about R and B. I

0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:33.319
<v Speaker 3>don't want to say somebody's a tin and they can't

0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:34.399
<v Speaker 3>sing with somebody that's a tin.

0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:39.799
<v Speaker 1>Billy Holliday. I love Billy Holliday. I take a little

0:53:39.800 --> 0:53:40.600
<v Speaker 1>bit more time.

0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:47.040
<v Speaker 9>Just so I'm trying to gain a better understanding. So

0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:50.719
<v Speaker 9>Luther is a ten yep, what's the equivalent on the

0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:52.000
<v Speaker 9>hip hop side as Luther.

0:53:57.640 --> 0:53:58.399
<v Speaker 1>That's a good question.

0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:08.960
<v Speaker 3>I just listen to hip hop ain't just about talent

0:54:09.160 --> 0:54:11.839
<v Speaker 3>like that. Hip hop is still like a street urban

0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:16.040
<v Speaker 3>cultural movement, so like it's not just it's not just

0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:20.880
<v Speaker 3>dependent on talent per se, Like like it's just not

0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:21.479
<v Speaker 3>the same.

0:54:21.920 --> 0:54:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Hip hop is different. So you don't got no ten

0:54:24.800 --> 0:54:30.520
<v Speaker 1>on hip hip hop music is actually not good.

0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:39.799
<v Speaker 6>I don't say that brow but just like you know,

0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:40.440
<v Speaker 6>I stand on it.

0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:43.759
<v Speaker 9>You need me to in the realm of like how

0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:45.040
<v Speaker 9>we're judging singers on.

0:54:47.160 --> 0:54:48.160
<v Speaker 1>Their ability to sing.

0:54:48.360 --> 0:54:50.279
<v Speaker 3>I mean, if you heard me, Hey what I want

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:51.759
<v Speaker 3>to do something freaking to you and then go listen

0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:55.799
<v Speaker 3>to than you don't notice the difference musically, like think

0:54:55.880 --> 0:54:56.200
<v Speaker 3>is bad?

0:54:56.520 --> 0:54:57.640
<v Speaker 5>What well?

0:54:57.640 --> 0:55:00.680
<v Speaker 1>I think on a pantheon of music right now, just

0:55:00.719 --> 0:55:03.680
<v Speaker 1>straight music. Doctor Dre wouldn't tell you G Thing is

0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:05.960
<v Speaker 1>on the same level as Leon Haywood. I want to

0:55:06.000 --> 0:55:07.160
<v Speaker 1>do something for you said.

0:55:07.160 --> 0:55:08.280
<v Speaker 5>It's not on the same level.

0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:09.720
<v Speaker 1>It's not even in the same arena.

0:55:10.320 --> 0:55:11.359
<v Speaker 5>G Thing is not good.

0:55:12.200 --> 0:55:14.360
<v Speaker 1>I think hip hop at the whole the music is

0:55:14.520 --> 0:55:17.719
<v Speaker 1>just all of it is. Maybe the best is like

0:55:17.760 --> 0:55:22.600
<v Speaker 1>a six. All hip just the music. It's a D.

0:55:23.760 --> 0:55:26.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean an instrumentation of the music.

0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:29.680
<v Speaker 6>Okay, okay, all right, all right, you know you're talking

0:55:29.680 --> 0:55:31.400
<v Speaker 6>about because the message.

0:55:31.080 --> 0:55:34.560
<v Speaker 3>Hip hop, the whole, the whole package is what makes

0:55:34.560 --> 0:55:35.720
<v Speaker 3>it like a thirty.

0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:38.239
<v Speaker 1>But the music part of it is just a D.

0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:39.080
<v Speaker 1>It's under there.

0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:44.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, hell yeah, Okay, Like the best is like a C.

0:55:46.000 --> 0:55:46.680
<v Speaker 5>So it's a seven.

0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like a seven?

0:55:49.920 --> 0:55:50.160
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:55:50.719 --> 0:55:53.680
<v Speaker 5>Do you have any acts that you think are higher

0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:56.040
<v Speaker 5>than the seed that kind of hold up the you know,

0:55:56.080 --> 0:55:57.040
<v Speaker 5>get it up to the scene.

0:55:56.880 --> 0:55:58.799
<v Speaker 1>So here to just mute, Like, is there somebody hip

0:55:58.800 --> 0:55:59.839
<v Speaker 1>hop that make music good?

0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:00.439
<v Speaker 5>White?

0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:00.719
<v Speaker 4>Fuck?

0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:03.200
<v Speaker 6>No, let me tell you why hip hop is not

0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:09.360
<v Speaker 6>that right there, because the creation, the creation method of

0:56:09.440 --> 0:56:11.600
<v Speaker 6>hip hop has to has to be put up there

0:56:11.719 --> 0:56:14.080
<v Speaker 6>more more than what you're saying. It is though, because

0:56:14.080 --> 0:56:16.600
<v Speaker 6>the fact that you can take anything making it hip.

0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:18.960
<v Speaker 3>Hop the creation method. Forgive me trap, I don't mean

0:56:19.000 --> 0:56:21.680
<v Speaker 3>to cut you off. Thereat don't matter when it comes

0:56:21.760 --> 0:56:24.439
<v Speaker 3>to hip hop. Like the music were talking about, that's

0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:27.719
<v Speaker 3>what makes hip hop special. That's like asking it's soul

0:56:27.800 --> 0:56:28.440
<v Speaker 3>food healthy.

0:56:29.239 --> 0:56:31.640
<v Speaker 6>Like what makes hip hop special is the fantas you

0:56:31.640 --> 0:56:34.960
<v Speaker 6>can You could take anything and make it into hip hop. Cherry.

0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:39.040
<v Speaker 1>You could take the only black music.

0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:43.480
<v Speaker 3>Like we're we're comparing to other really talented black me

0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:46.960
<v Speaker 3>I've never heard of hip hop song the music and thought, man,

0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:48.320
<v Speaker 3>this is like Arry White.

0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:50.840
<v Speaker 5>So hip hop music is not good for you artist.

0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:54.200
<v Speaker 3>No, No, soul food don't have to clog the arteries.

0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:57.399
<v Speaker 3>I just think you're comparing musicians.

0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:00.160
<v Speaker 6>I get you you can do. I give it. You're

0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:04.160
<v Speaker 6>saying no because it is better than all music.

0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:07.799
<v Speaker 5>Okay, tramp so let me get this from you, too, pop,

0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:10.279
<v Speaker 5>is that you also think hip hop a musically is.

0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:13.000
<v Speaker 6>A DP No. The reason why the reason why understand,

0:57:13.080 --> 0:57:16.120
<v Speaker 6>the reason why Undertarily's saying though, is because like I said,

0:57:16.160 --> 0:57:17.800
<v Speaker 6>you could take anything make it's a hip hop, but

0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:19.520
<v Speaker 6>it doesn't become hip hop to the lyrics can put

0:57:19.560 --> 0:57:21.840
<v Speaker 6>on it, though, So you know what I'm saying, So

0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:23.760
<v Speaker 6>it doesn't become so you could take like you said,

0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:25.919
<v Speaker 6>I want to do something freaky to you doesn't become

0:57:26.000 --> 0:57:28.960
<v Speaker 6>hip hop until Drey and Snook it's on the beat. Yeah,

0:57:29.040 --> 0:57:31.800
<v Speaker 6>you know what I'm saying like that, So that's what

0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:34.600
<v Speaker 6>So it's like it's almost.

0:57:34.320 --> 0:57:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm not I'm not saying the presentation of a

0:57:36.720 --> 0:57:37.200
<v Speaker 1>hip hop.

0:57:37.440 --> 0:57:39.400
<v Speaker 3>Hip Hop records can have records from people with any

0:57:39.480 --> 0:57:43.200
<v Speaker 3>record in any genre music, but it's the complete presentation

0:57:43.640 --> 0:57:48.440
<v Speaker 3>because the music is make do right. It's like making

0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:50.080
<v Speaker 3>the best out of some ship you really don't know

0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:53.680
<v Speaker 3>how to do. When you put your ship on that ship,

0:57:54.360 --> 0:57:57.960
<v Speaker 3>you present it. How much power is anything I've ever

0:57:58.000 --> 0:58:02.600
<v Speaker 3>seen in music? Anyking about like g thing is is powerful?

0:58:02.640 --> 0:58:07.720
<v Speaker 3>Us very white, very white first last.

0:58:07.520 --> 0:58:10.600
<v Speaker 1>And only so hip hop music is the most powerful

0:58:10.680 --> 0:58:11.960
<v Speaker 1>music it is.

0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:17.080
<v Speaker 3>It's probably so, but it's because it's it's more things

0:58:17.120 --> 0:58:20.480
<v Speaker 3>that connect to poor people, like making do always work

0:58:20.520 --> 0:58:23.840
<v Speaker 3>better with humanity and things of like overspent and producer.

0:58:25.040 --> 0:58:27.280
<v Speaker 3>I mean because I think humans can connect to trying

0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:29.040
<v Speaker 3>to make the best side of circumstance.

0:58:29.840 --> 0:58:33.400
<v Speaker 1>But hip hop, the music itself, like if you play.

0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:35.760
<v Speaker 3>G thinking next to leon Man a change and I

0:58:35.800 --> 0:58:38.560
<v Speaker 3>want to do something freaky is so motherfucking cold bro

0:58:38.680 --> 0:58:41.360
<v Speaker 3>before going to what dre sample to be the wash,

0:58:41.720 --> 0:58:46.080
<v Speaker 3>That shit is incredible, like music like I listen to

0:58:46.200 --> 0:58:47.520
<v Speaker 3>very White almost every day.

0:58:47.600 --> 0:58:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Dog you hear that shit?

0:58:50.400 --> 0:58:50.880
<v Speaker 6>Oh you like?

0:58:50.880 --> 0:58:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh? This ain't necessarily music.

0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:56.080
<v Speaker 5>So so when hip hop artists take okay, so I'm saying,

0:58:56.120 --> 0:59:00.360
<v Speaker 5>like the stuff that they use musically is better, or

0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:02.200
<v Speaker 5>when hip hop artists get on it, it makes it

0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:03.280
<v Speaker 5>more powerful.

0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:07.680
<v Speaker 3>Because because hip hop is really about the cultural approach,

0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:12.240
<v Speaker 3>like it's a get out and in the present. Now Again,

0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:16.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't know a hip hop instrumental that's even in

0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:19.040
<v Speaker 3>the same vein as some of the best songs and

0:59:19.080 --> 0:59:24.560
<v Speaker 3>other genres of music music right, like like Biggie Hypnotized

0:59:24.600 --> 0:59:27.080
<v Speaker 3>cannot fuck with herb Albert's Rise, the song that they

0:59:27.120 --> 0:59:31.640
<v Speaker 3>interpolated to make the song. Man, you hear Rise, but

0:59:31.680 --> 0:59:36.160
<v Speaker 3>you hear the whole hypnotized song. That motherfucker just as powerful, if.

0:59:36.000 --> 0:59:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Not more powerful. Once you on that motherfucker talking crazy,

0:59:39.960 --> 0:59:42.400
<v Speaker 1>the niggas finish that shit off. It's short to you.

0:59:42.600 --> 0:59:46.160
<v Speaker 1>It's like some shit you never saw before. It's like,

0:59:46.440 --> 0:59:47.560
<v Speaker 1>that's the power of this shit.

0:59:47.600 --> 0:59:50.080
<v Speaker 3>That's why nigga's so protective of it because I get

0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:52.280
<v Speaker 3>what makes it special. Like when we're arguing. When I'm

0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:55.240
<v Speaker 3>arguing with Trapping, I'm like, the music don't have a sound.

0:59:56.160 --> 0:59:58.520
<v Speaker 3>It's really just black music to a degree, right, you

0:59:58.840 --> 1:00:03.280
<v Speaker 3>get black, But once you put the person on it

1:00:03.640 --> 1:00:07.640
<v Speaker 3>and some shit happened, that shit just be different.

1:00:08.120 --> 1:00:09.320
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, man, if you hear.

1:00:09.200 --> 1:00:12.280
<v Speaker 3>Barry White like like like I lay my Lowrider, that

1:00:12.400 --> 1:00:14.880
<v Speaker 3>the love unlimited. Bro, you hear some of this shit,

1:00:14.960 --> 1:00:17.560
<v Speaker 3>this ship is out of here. Like the music, Bro,

1:00:17.680 --> 1:00:20.560
<v Speaker 3>that shit is just crazy. I ain't never heard no

1:00:20.640 --> 1:00:22.160
<v Speaker 3>hip hop shit like that.

1:00:23.320 --> 1:00:26.760
<v Speaker 1>Never. I get it. As far as just the music,

1:00:28.720 --> 1:00:29.240
<v Speaker 1>I get it.

1:00:29.480 --> 1:00:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Even when I hear cream right, which is one of

1:00:31.560 --> 1:00:34.680
<v Speaker 3>my favorite beats of hip hop. I think of the lyrics,

1:00:36.320 --> 1:00:37.400
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, and that's one of my

1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:40.200
<v Speaker 3>favorite beats. But man, you play that ship and you

1:00:40.280 --> 1:00:43.200
<v Speaker 3>play some of that Verry White shit, you be like

1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:48.200
<v Speaker 3>it's different that shit start changing and doing shit and

1:00:48.240 --> 1:00:49.840
<v Speaker 3>you be like, holy shit.

1:00:51.240 --> 1:00:54.120
<v Speaker 5>I wonder if that why culture culturally we look at

1:00:54.240 --> 1:00:56.680
<v Speaker 5>hip hop artists more in the leadership bro then we

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<v Speaker 5>look at other.

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<v Speaker 1>That could be true.

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<v Speaker 6>M hmm.

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<v Speaker 9>What's what's your what's your favorite? What's your favorite R

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<v Speaker 9>and B hip hop collab? Eat your collab?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, h.

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<v Speaker 6>Can knock the hustle jay Z and Mary J.

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<v Speaker 1>Blige boom boom boo boom.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that is a do that's a fire. That's

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<v Speaker 1>an abstract choice too. Okay, all this.

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<v Speaker 3>So the first my favorite, the first song that come

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<v Speaker 3>to mind, the greatest to me is probably that song

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<v Speaker 3>Ghost and Mary.

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<v Speaker 1>Did that song come right to mind?

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<v Speaker 3>I always think of that song first for some reason,

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<v Speaker 3>that that song All I Need song, the Marvin Gaye song.

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<v Speaker 1>But for me, probably favorite is Balling with the dramatics.

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<v Speaker 1>It's you're talking about method man and Mary. Yeah, excuse

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<v Speaker 1>me that you all? I mean all I mean, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Gonna say that six when you said that ship come

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<v Speaker 3>on my mind and it sucks me up. But for me,

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<v Speaker 3>my favorite is Balling with the dramatics and Snoop.

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<v Speaker 5>That's always gonna go West Coast.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do a lot of on the West Coast.

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<v Speaker 3>But the first one that comes to mind the greatest

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<v Speaker 3>is probably that method and Mary J song.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember hearing that song being like, damn crazy if

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<v Speaker 1>I the world too, I think, but that is hip hop.

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<v Speaker 1>No man, that might be the one, bro Becauselauren Hill

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<v Speaker 1>is hip hop.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean there's something that we haven't talked about either

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<v Speaker 9>that even vocalists is we haven't really brought up Jo

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<v Speaker 9>tosy know, because.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't talk about them.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, when they killing, you ain't hurting, nothing like that,

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<v Speaker 3>when they all live, when they when anybody is office specifically,

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<v Speaker 3>i've heard them all.

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<v Speaker 1>No I saw they got one of the.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really hear a lot of singers, you know who.

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<v Speaker 3>It's crazy we that all this R and B conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we haven't talked about Mary J.

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<v Speaker 1>Blige.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, it's Mary R and B female act of all time,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's Mary J.

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<v Speaker 5>Like how you said that other song was hip hop

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<v Speaker 5>all the way hip hop? Because Mary J.

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<v Speaker 1>Hip hop She's the queen of hip hop. Saw because

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<v Speaker 1>Mary J. Just Mary J.

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<v Speaker 3>Blige could easily be the greatest R and B act Ever,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I've ever saw anybody any reaction to

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<v Speaker 3>music as much as I saw, like you gotta go

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<v Speaker 3>pop music, Michael Jackson, Mary J. Blige, The thing Mary

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<v Speaker 3>J Blige do. The black women I have never saw

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<v Speaker 3>no ship I'm talking about. Ain't another black woman breathing air,

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<v Speaker 3>not beyond that's a good one. Not none of them.

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<v Speaker 3>You see them motherfuckers?

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<v Speaker 1>Will Mary J?

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<v Speaker 6>Come on?

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<v Speaker 5>It is different ja so powerful that I used to

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<v Speaker 5>listen to her and be like, I get what I

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<v Speaker 5>get it girls.

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<v Speaker 1>The time I listened to Mary J. Blige, the main

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<v Speaker 1>question come to my mind is what did you do?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I agree, that's how good.

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<v Speaker 6>Mary J.

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<v Speaker 1>Make you think some of your ship? No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>Mary J. Blige makes me think, what are you doing

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<v Speaker 1>to make all these people do this to you? I

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<v Speaker 1>ain't never late go to your married for it got

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<v Speaker 1>to be married for bro.

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<v Speaker 5>That's that's a real nigga. Got to be it's married for.

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<v Speaker 6>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>You see black women with Mary J. Blige, Come on, man,

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<v Speaker 1>they can't be everybody else is this is you, This

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<v Speaker 1>is you, gotta be you.

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<v Speaker 5>You remember when when Mary was happy for a minute,

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<v Speaker 5>she dropped that album and all the women was mad

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<v Speaker 5>and we need that this ain't the marry we like

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<v Speaker 5>doing on her relationship and ship.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to Mary J. Blige R and B. I think

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going Mary J. Blige over be nor Kelly. Oh

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<v Speaker 3>hell now as an act as far as what great

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<v Speaker 3>as the greatest R and B act of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 6>Sometimes Mary J. Blige built everything crazy, marriage crazy. Marriag's

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<v Speaker 6>crazy as far as I act, She's really up there,

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<v Speaker 6>changed the whole.

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<v Speaker 1>Energy Arena's pure R and B. She she don't even

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<v Speaker 1>have no possible You know she up there, but don't singer.

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<v Speaker 6>She ain't whole like no Lie kick and all that ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Under blues. It's just so much rhythm and blues. Bro.

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<v Speaker 1>Women got mad when she didn't have the blues.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me ask you this though, imagine if R Kelly

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<v Speaker 5>just liked them two years older and he was still he.

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<v Speaker 1>Still probably wouldn't be change.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, two years old, but I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Like them two years older too. I like them all

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<v Speaker 1>you're still marry. I'm not saying she's not married. She

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<v Speaker 1>is dope. She but r Kelly dope. He's dope. She's

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<v Speaker 1>that dope Kelly dope.

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<v Speaker 6>But but I think you're talking more so now now

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<v Speaker 6>when it comes to her, I'm talking about marry. As

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<v Speaker 6>far as performing, I'm saying the way Shell songs, records, records,

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<v Speaker 6>she got records, record.

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<v Speaker 1>She don't have no I believe I can fly. She

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<v Speaker 1>don't have no cross.

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<v Speaker 3>She's just a black lady singing about niggas role. I

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<v Speaker 3>get that we're idiots. She's a black lady from the

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<v Speaker 3>ghetto of New York talking about black men fucking her over.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the most polarizing thing you've ever saw in

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<v Speaker 1>your life.

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<v Speaker 6>It was allowed to do with production.

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<v Speaker 5>Black women might think are Kelly better than her?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they can like them better, but I think

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<v Speaker 3>Mary does. I'm just being honest, like every does something

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<v Speaker 3>different to people. Honestly, the more I think about it,

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<v Speaker 3>I ever saw no.

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<v Speaker 1>Ship like that.

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<v Speaker 6>When a woman's fed up, somebody said, what you're responding with,

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<v Speaker 6>what you're responding with from that, what you're responding with

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<v Speaker 6>from that right there, nigga.

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<v Speaker 5>When when I heard when a woman's fed up, it

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<v Speaker 5>made me want to be nicer to women.

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<v Speaker 1>Your men, women, dog man.

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<v Speaker 5>I personal Mary Shait and it was it was dope,

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<v Speaker 5>it was you have a penis? But damn right, but

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<v Speaker 5>I would make you. I'm telling you I watched Mary Bro.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not lying.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the more I even think about it, Bro, She's

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<v Speaker 3>probably clearly the greatest R.

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<v Speaker 6>And B A.

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<v Speaker 5>I would like to know what do black women think

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<v Speaker 5>about I would like to know do black women.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Mary or are Robert R.

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<v Speaker 6>Kelly?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, Robert Kelly better than I just think I

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<v Speaker 5>think black women will probably shout out to Fatima. She said, Nah,

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<v Speaker 5>Mary J. Blige is way better than R Kelly.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. That's one.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's not that because I think we're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about who are the greatest, But I think R Kelly.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 3>People live the R Kelly music as much as they

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<v Speaker 3>live Mary's experience all the R Kelly.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking about No that I don't care about understanding.

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<v Speaker 1>People are going to talk about that, but I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna get into that. What I'm saying is

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<v Speaker 3>just him as R and B acts Mary J. Blige Bro,

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<v Speaker 3>like I seen women be in the streets, drinking, singing

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<v Speaker 3>that ship with their eyes closed.

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<v Speaker 1>I never saw that for R. Kelly.

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<v Speaker 3>I never saw them living the music like I see

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<v Speaker 3>them living the music to Marry J.

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<v Speaker 1>Blige. Now again, is Robert Kelly more more like of

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<v Speaker 1>a talent? Yes, I'm talking about just pure R and

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<v Speaker 1>B act and Mary J. Blige is not a great singer.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the crazy part is R. Kelly and great singers.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a little bit.

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<v Speaker 6>Better than everybody getting crazy about seven seven?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, okay, so Mary? Not a seven is more Mary's

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<v Speaker 5>afford with TC.

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<v Speaker 6>No, Mary, I might give a five.

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<v Speaker 5>Five, I say five.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll say marybody damn trap. That's that's I say Mary

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<v Speaker 3>about the six or seven.

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<v Speaker 6>I think there's a lot to do with her production

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<v Speaker 6>with songs.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the blues that come off, the pain that come

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<v Speaker 3>off for her is like some ship.

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<v Speaker 1>I never saw that's you. That comment I was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about you get mad at no, you ain't. Nobody did

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<v Speaker 1>all this to you? What you do? That's what I

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<v Speaker 1>be thinking. You have now mad?

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<v Speaker 5>I beat you have a tendency decide to somebody who's

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<v Speaker 5>who got a lot of pain in they and they

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<v Speaker 5>ship like you.

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<v Speaker 1>But but you love more damn about the commiss like.

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<v Speaker 3>I like more R Kelly songs than I like. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I like more R Kelly song I like Mary Ja.

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<v Speaker 3>But I've never saw music affect anyone like I see

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<v Speaker 3>like no ghetto, all the ghettos I've been to around America,

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<v Speaker 3>no matter if I was hustling or if I was

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<v Speaker 3>doing music, whatever I'm doing, I've never in my life

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<v Speaker 3>saw music affect people like Mary J. Blige, unless we

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<v Speaker 3>talk about Michael Jackson, but Mary J. Blige music. I've

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<v Speaker 3>been to different ghettos, Vegas, here, New York, and when

1:10:19.840 --> 1:10:23.040
<v Speaker 3>that shit come on them, women go somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 5>All I'm saying is Art Kelly's shit affected people so

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<v Speaker 5>much that it's started affecting white people. I think he.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes really good music. That shit was costing all the

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<v Speaker 1>way over.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he makes really good it was a pop

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<v Speaker 3>song at the beginning. I think he makes really great music.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not disagreeing. Like I'm telling you, I think R Kelly.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I think Mary J. Blige they really live

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<v Speaker 3>that like. It's different. It's the level of blues is different.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just the connection they have to her is different,

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<v Speaker 3>and her shit is just really for her. She's not

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<v Speaker 3>even a an incredible talent, that's the crazy part. But

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<v Speaker 3>they feel it because that's just I don't know why

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<v Speaker 3>that that's a and that's a prime example DT.

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<v Speaker 1>White people not on Mary like that because she really

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<v Speaker 1>is a true rhythm and blues act.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think that's what does it for you because

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<v Speaker 5>white people don't fuck with it, you love it.

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<v Speaker 3>I just feel like white people don't fuck with the

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<v Speaker 3>most black things exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>It gotta be ser bad for you, Like you if

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<v Speaker 5>that ship I mean of R and B initially was

1:11:36.960 --> 1:11:39.400
<v Speaker 5>race music, it was really black music.

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<v Speaker 3>It was people of race race music. So it makes

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<v Speaker 3>I'm okay with knowing that they not. But she's still

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<v Speaker 3>doing arenas and that's scary.

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<v Speaker 1>NAS was opening up for her.

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<v Speaker 6>M h.

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<v Speaker 1>She don't make crossover music. It's true. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not I'm not thinking nothing away from Mary great.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I mean again, it's just Rob got as

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<v Speaker 3>many records, if not Bore records and Mary, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think what Mary records do that was.

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<v Speaker 1>Just something crazy. What he got way more records. Mary,

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<v Speaker 1>Mary got a lot of records. She got some records,

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<v Speaker 1>but she got a lot of record close in records.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they might be close. I'm telling you she her

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<v Speaker 3>ship is sneaky.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>But but when you see how her music affects people,

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<v Speaker 3>that's the one thing I can't shake.

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<v Speaker 1>I can think of.

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<v Speaker 3>Great Robert Kelly records. I know a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 3>He's one of the best to ever make music. Man,

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<v Speaker 3>when I see her music on, it ain't a song

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<v Speaker 3>no more.

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<v Speaker 5>But see you only thinking about from motherfuckers from the carter,

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<v Speaker 5>like you got it. You only want to see if

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<v Speaker 5>that music affect niggas in the carter and like, because

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<v Speaker 5>that's what that's what's called. It's called race music. Then

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<v Speaker 5>after that, but tell me was affecting those people and

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<v Speaker 5>then that ship was traveling over to white people.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 3>I white people prove that don't make it. It's called

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<v Speaker 3>race music. Yeah, but it's called race music.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm okay. White people don't get it. That's okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you a question.

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<v Speaker 5>Then, when you when people are doing their uh mount rushmore,

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<v Speaker 5>are they only doing it based off of.

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<v Speaker 1>Acts they don't know? They just be doing their top four.

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<v Speaker 1>Me and Trapp had a.

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<v Speaker 6>Great yeah, exactly exactly about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Really clearing that thought up.

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<v Speaker 3>And because the Mount Rushmore is not the fourth greatest president,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the fourth.

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<v Speaker 1>I say that marked different things in American history.

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<v Speaker 3>One mark the beginning of the nation, one mark the

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<v Speaker 3>progress of the nation.

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<v Speaker 1>One mark.

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<v Speaker 3>There's one mark one, you know what I mean bringing

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<v Speaker 3>it back together in Abraham Lincoln.

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<v Speaker 1>We had this with death Jam.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we said the Mount Rushmore, the true Mount

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<v Speaker 3>Rushmore of death Jam would be l L Right, as

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<v Speaker 3>as your George Washington, I think you said public enemy.

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<v Speaker 1>As the.

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<v Speaker 6>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we put uh Beastie Boys as.

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<v Speaker 3>The one that takes to improve outside of the country,

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<v Speaker 3>and we put DMX as the Lincoln to bring the

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<v Speaker 3>sound back.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, l did his Mount Rushmore of of

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<v Speaker 5>uh def Jam also, and his my words were similar

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<v Speaker 5>to yours. People got mad at him because they the

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<v Speaker 5>most popular acts.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I don't know what and this Mount Rushmore has

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<v Speaker 3>been kind of colonized by people thinking it's the best

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<v Speaker 3>for it.

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<v Speaker 5>But this is what I'm asking. That's why I say,

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<v Speaker 5>if we really did the Mount Rushmore of R and

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<v Speaker 5>B real got to be on it. Baby Face got

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<v Speaker 5>to be on the Mount Ushmore?

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<v Speaker 6>Probably not? So why not?

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<v Speaker 1>So who who who you put over baby Face? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>who would be who would be the who would be

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<v Speaker 1>the George Washington of Mount Rushmore for R and B?

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<v Speaker 1>That against you? You're saying, probably uh, Bobby Brown.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean they say's hip hop's first superstar. But then

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<v Speaker 3>we have to pretty much disclude a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't know if I'm comfortable with this clue

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<v Speaker 3>with Stevie Wonder, that's my Margaret. Stevie Wonder would be

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<v Speaker 3>really hard. I can probably not hold on to Michael

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<v Speaker 3>Jackson and as R and B, not as black music.

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<v Speaker 3>I could probably not hold on the Prince as R

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<v Speaker 3>and B just black music. I'm okay with that even

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<v Speaker 3>kind of you know, I can miss them in R

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<v Speaker 3>and B because I got them everywhere else. And pop

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<v Speaker 3>music day is powerful as any pop artists in the

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<v Speaker 3>history of pop music, so they're still there. But I

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't really imagine the world on that list without Stevie

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<v Speaker 3>Wonder and Marvin Gaye. That would be really hard for me,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I'm saying, Like I listened to too

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<v Speaker 3>much of that shit. I study too much of their ship.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be really really hard for me to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>But theoretically they are considered soul and and different things.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. You know, they do make

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<v Speaker 1>R and B, but a lot of people really feel

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<v Speaker 1>like contemporary R and B is like more of an

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<v Speaker 1>eighty sting.

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<v Speaker 5>So does Keith wet get a.

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<v Speaker 6>Ke not?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think on red board. Don't think he's got

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<v Speaker 3>his album his album. I'm not bad that being in

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<v Speaker 3>the conversation, but not Keith Sweat as a talent.

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<v Speaker 1>Not Keith Sweating. But at the time I'm saying, but

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<v Speaker 1>are we just doing as the talent though.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying he has one making Last Forever, he needs three.

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<v Speaker 3>He would need five with his.

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<v Speaker 1>Why I Bring Back go over five hundred million albums.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but he's also so now we're talking about people

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<v Speaker 3>that are influential and matter in R and B, then

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<v Speaker 3>baby faces probably paramount.

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<v Speaker 5>But You's what I'm saying, when you making a while

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<v Speaker 5>other than that have to what happened? What's the criteria

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<v Speaker 5>is when I'm asking.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if we're saying R and B, we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>R and B singers, R and B acts, So just

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<v Speaker 1>R and B singers and if we're just doing as

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<v Speaker 1>sure because because yeah, but it would be hard. Who

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<v Speaker 1>would be the George Washington of temperar. I guess if

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<v Speaker 1>we did in temporary art.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Steve gotta be the George Walsh him.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel and and hip hop R and B started

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<v Speaker 1>with Lewis Jordan's so it's like he's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be He's like that first president America became America black

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<v Speaker 1>man that was pregnant before before, before George Washington.

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<v Speaker 3>That, Yeah, it could be Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder could

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<v Speaker 3>be on the Mount Rushmore.

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<v Speaker 6>So you've got Stevie Wonder down there. Now, you got

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<v Speaker 6>George Washington down as the birth and the foundational leader.

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<v Speaker 6>You've got Teddy, you got Thomas Jefferson expansion the visionary ideas.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout out to Joke Smoke and I thought the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like it probably would have to be this

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<v Speaker 3>is the problem with it had to be Ray Charles,

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<v Speaker 3>because Stevie Wonder is Ray Charles Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>Ray on the on the Mount. Worst one nothing I'd

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<v Speaker 1>have to Charles.

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<v Speaker 6>Was making was making arm Vito.

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<v Speaker 3>Because he made he made so he kind of created soul,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, he kind of created so

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<v Speaker 3>and then pop is white people soul.

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<v Speaker 6>But it was also like a like a rendition of

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<v Speaker 6>like gospel music though, but that's all.

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<v Speaker 3>But but it all comes from there. Lose comes from gospel,

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<v Speaker 3>Everything comes from gospel. Yeah, it's just it's just tough,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. That's the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's it's hard because it's possible to narrow it

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<v Speaker 1>down to four. Yeah, I think that. I think it's hard,

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<v Speaker 1>and well, you know what, let's try anyway, let's consider fucking.

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<v Speaker 5>But my thing is, I think when people do these

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<v Speaker 5>amount of Rushmore's, they they kind of set their own criteria.

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<v Speaker 1>Like y'allferent. But I like when mere trap do it

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<v Speaker 1>because it makes us think harder and it makes us

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<v Speaker 1>credit to get quick question, you know what. Not saying

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<v Speaker 1>the white boy makes it the right mont worst mo

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<v Speaker 1>or anything anybody can if you're white and give me

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<v Speaker 1>R and B Are you popp?

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<v Speaker 6>Now? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>So six and six know who John Bellyon is? Is

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<v Speaker 1>John Billyon pop? Or is you R and B D?

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<v Speaker 9>I don't think he's really pop because but I don't

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<v Speaker 9>think he's quite R and B he kind of like

1:19:14.280 --> 1:19:16.840
<v Speaker 9>I think like his song like crop Circles could it's

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<v Speaker 9>like more like alternative R and B.

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<v Speaker 1>But then when you think about what was the first

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<v Speaker 1>single that Sam Smith is just pop pop last is

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<v Speaker 1>just black and white. He's just white black because.

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<v Speaker 3>If you white, you automatically anything you make is going

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<v Speaker 3>to go into a pop space.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the audience of people that's gonna.

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<v Speaker 5>Take John is popular.

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<v Speaker 6>No, he's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's not. It's not about being popular, right, That's

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<v Speaker 1>really what it's about. What was his first thing?

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<v Speaker 6>The popular one? Uh?

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<v Speaker 5>Some low shade down down.

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<v Speaker 1>With long Okay, okay, I'm with that. I'm with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go Ray Charles as George Washington of the R

1:20:00.320 --> 1:20:03.280
<v Speaker 3>and B my Rishmore's he is he is the.

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<v Speaker 1>True founder for the most part of soul music.

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<v Speaker 6>Who's the expansion and the visionary ideas.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Thomas Jefferson R and B, who is a Thomas

1:20:14.720 --> 1:20:16.760
<v Speaker 3>Jefferson who expanded R and B.

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<v Speaker 1>Ray Charles did a good job of making it. So

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<v Speaker 1>when you say expanded, you mean to the masses or so.

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<v Speaker 3>Jefferson represents the Louisiana purchase at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>The West.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he made because.

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<v Speaker 1>When it was the first It was just the thirteen,

1:20:38.280 --> 1:20:39.560
<v Speaker 1>the colonies and all that, and it was just on

1:20:39.600 --> 1:20:42.720
<v Speaker 1>the east coast. He pushed it out west. He recognized the.

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<v Speaker 6>Expansion Louisiana purchase, the Louisiana Purchase.

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<v Speaker 1>Are moving it west. So who was that person that

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<v Speaker 1>took R and B from Ray Charles?

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<v Speaker 6>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>And then they went to another le. They don't have

1:20:53.920 --> 1:20:55.680
<v Speaker 1>to be a direct correlation, they just need to take

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<v Speaker 1>it to the next level.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it the eighty Did everybody else follow his direction

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<v Speaker 3>for that point after? Because I think Stevie wonder if

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<v Speaker 3>t is kind of like, I mean, that was the

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<v Speaker 3>same marketing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my thing is, what do you think Michael Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>is though? Do you consider him? He would have to

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<v Speaker 1>be in this conversation too, because if you but I

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<v Speaker 1>think Michael Jackson is that third president? What's the third guy?

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<v Speaker 6>It's Abraham Lincoln. No, No, that's the fourth direction. No,

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<v Speaker 6>all right, So Theodore Roosevelt the development on an evolution

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<v Speaker 6>Teddy Roosevelt.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think Michael Jackson took it internationally because that's

1:21:32.760 --> 1:21:39.080
<v Speaker 3>what Teddy Roosevelt. So it's somebody between Ray Charles and

1:21:39.240 --> 1:21:40.560
<v Speaker 3>Teddy Roosevelt.

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<v Speaker 1>Between so they got to be between Ray Charles and Mikey. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was the person that made it.

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<v Speaker 3>A much more popular thing than Ray because Ray Charles

1:21:51.479 --> 1:21:54.679
<v Speaker 3>kind of ushered in soul music and really pop records.

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<v Speaker 3>To be honest, nobody would really see it that way.

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<v Speaker 3>But the more I studied he ushered in Ray true

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<v Speaker 3>was ushered in pop records. Like he like what we're talking.

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<v Speaker 1>About, taking gospel and making it worldly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of the genesis of pop music, like taking

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<v Speaker 3>a little of the ethnic, cleansing it up a little

1:22:11.240 --> 1:22:13.040
<v Speaker 3>bit and making it digestible for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead of Southern tones, it must be Jesus.

1:22:15.920 --> 1:22:20.000
<v Speaker 3>It became I got a woman, must be Jesus, go

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<v Speaker 3>in and around, well Jesus taking that that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of the the the epicenter of pop music.

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<v Speaker 6>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>So then then he would he would.

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<v Speaker 3>He would recognize the expansion internationally, Michael Jackson, so he

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<v Speaker 3>would be there.

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<v Speaker 1>Gay, it's Marvin Gay. I would think of Marvin. I

1:22:45.360 --> 1:22:49.040
<v Speaker 1>think Marvel many Yeah, it's Marvin Gay.

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<v Speaker 3>So is Marvin Gay probably the token the greatest artist

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<v Speaker 3>out of the Motown solo act because I know Smoke

1:22:58.720 --> 1:23:00.720
<v Speaker 3>is probably the most influential but I think Marvin is

1:23:00.720 --> 1:23:02.639
<v Speaker 3>probably the greatest Motown X solo.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's a lot of it's a lot

1:23:04.720 --> 1:23:05.719
<v Speaker 1>of acts on Moretown.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know. I don't know why. You gotta kind

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<v Speaker 6>of go through it.

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<v Speaker 1>Through like he came and never it's Marvin all right.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you go he had commercial success to you

1:23:17.120 --> 1:23:19.559
<v Speaker 4>remember he had commercial successful.

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<v Speaker 6>I like, I like Diana Rose.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're gonna restake the mic. Rachel's Marvin Mike yep.

1:23:26.720 --> 1:23:28.760
<v Speaker 1>And then and then now you have the person that

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<v Speaker 1>brought R and B back?

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<v Speaker 3>Who that's what you say, Bobby Brown. Now that's where

1:23:33.840 --> 1:23:38.680
<v Speaker 3>we had a conversation. Whoever, we're okay, we're focused on male,

1:23:38.760 --> 1:23:40.240
<v Speaker 3>so we're not even gonna bring you females. So that

1:23:40.320 --> 1:23:41.240
<v Speaker 3>way we're not even.

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<v Speaker 1>Separate Rushmore's. We'll do a self a separate Rushmore. So

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<v Speaker 1>who is the person that brought R and B back

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<v Speaker 1>to prominence?

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<v Speaker 3>That's who it is. And it probably could be like see,

1:23:55.000 --> 1:23:56.519
<v Speaker 3>that's where it could get funny, right because you could

1:23:56.520 --> 1:23:59.400
<v Speaker 3>take R. Kelly is close to Bobby.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly Brown and so on. Yeah, that's because that's right there, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>public yeah, Kelly there it is so Ray, Charles H, Marvin,

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<v Speaker 1>Arvin Gay, Michael, Michael Jackson, R.

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<v Speaker 6>Kelly.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm not mad at that, not bad, very respectable. I'm

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<v Speaker 9>not I'm surprised Luther wasn't in there for you G.

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<v Speaker 3>Not mad because I think jay Z is also the

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<v Speaker 3>greatest death Jam recording artist, but he wasn't on the

1:24:34.560 --> 1:24:38.080
<v Speaker 3>Death Jam Mount I'll get you. So it's okay that

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<v Speaker 3>the greatest R and B singer of all time, or

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<v Speaker 3>the greatest male vocalists of all time, I should say,

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<v Speaker 3>may not make the list of the Mount Rushmore.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm okay with that. Ray Charles, H, Marvin Gay,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson, R. Kelly, That's not bad.

1:24:56.520 --> 1:24:58.559
<v Speaker 5>That's not bad, that's not bad.

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<v Speaker 3>If burst me to leave STEVIEE. But I know Stevie

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<v Speaker 3>is Ray Charles, that's his, that's his, that's his baby. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>shout out to Stevie Man, shout out for.

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<v Speaker 1>Big shots to Stevie.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's the point, Like because even when we did

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<v Speaker 3>even Trap, when we did the Death Jam Mount Rushmore,

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<v Speaker 3>it be different, like it kind of we knew death

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<v Speaker 3>Jam was loud and op notching, so even the skip

1:25:20.720 --> 1:25:24.120
<v Speaker 3>jay Z was almost blasphemous. Bro or Warren who who

1:25:24.240 --> 1:25:28.160
<v Speaker 3>brought who saved death Jam? Or but it's depth Jam

1:25:28.240 --> 1:25:30.880
<v Speaker 3>wasn't fuck the business. We talk about the thing that

1:25:31.000 --> 1:25:34.600
<v Speaker 3>it represented, this loud out, nachous energy that was like

1:25:35.280 --> 1:25:38.960
<v Speaker 3>street urban on the prow DMX when when when hip

1:25:39.000 --> 1:25:41.680
<v Speaker 3>hop was trying to go clean, you know, puffin and

1:25:41.800 --> 1:25:44.599
<v Speaker 3>was taking it shiny and clean, this motherfucker came out

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<v Speaker 3>with some tims with no socks on and an overall

1:25:47.360 --> 1:25:54.599
<v Speaker 3>short set and an overall short set screaming, barking, and growley.

1:25:55.640 --> 1:25:59.400
<v Speaker 3>That is death Jam energy summing. That's like watching LLL

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<v Speaker 3>Rebirth in the grimiest setting.

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<v Speaker 6>I like that.

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<v Speaker 8>I like that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm a man.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just asking. I thought it was gonna be ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not mad at Charles. Ray Charles. Could he

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<v Speaker 1>be the John Hanson and Stevie Wonder be the no either,

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington. I'm not mad at that either.

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<v Speaker 3>But no, Ray Charles is like a really really big deal,

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<v Speaker 3>like he wasn't like they made the pop charts.

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<v Speaker 1>But just feel weird not having Stevie on you.

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<v Speaker 3>But you also have to realize Ray Charles was a

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<v Speaker 3>successful act and that's why Stevie got.

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<v Speaker 1>A shot in the first place. So he was the

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<v Speaker 1>first person to say blinds can't do this, and I

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<v Speaker 1>mean not just do it like Ray Charles is not

1:26:43.520 --> 1:26:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Lewis Johnson. Ray Charles is like your subtle trolling this

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<v Speaker 1>crazy coach. I don't.

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<v Speaker 6>Know what.

1:26:53.920 --> 1:26:59.160
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy. Yeah, you see what he be doing. Coach Chaos.

1:27:00.120 --> 1:27:01.880
<v Speaker 1>So let me get this right. One or two a

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<v Speaker 1>day every time he won.

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<v Speaker 6>That know the other the craziest one was two years older.

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<v Speaker 6>Ship though. That was crazy. That was crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>Ask questions.

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<v Speaker 1>You amazing t shirts Coach Chaos. Faiths I've been listening

1:27:22.040 --> 1:27:23.800
<v Speaker 1>to ain't a lot this this week. Somebody in the

1:27:23.840 --> 1:27:25.519
<v Speaker 1>chat said, what would you rate Faith Evans?

1:27:27.360 --> 1:27:31.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, faith is that's the real mount war Ray Charles,

1:27:32.120 --> 1:27:35.760
<v Speaker 3>Marvin Gay, Michael Jackson, and R Kelly.

1:27:36.240 --> 1:27:39.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm okay with that. I'm okay.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, yeah, not at all. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Females is gonna be really hard men and who any

1:27:56.120 --> 1:27:59.439
<v Speaker 1>rippretending who else? Well, you can't do that because he

1:27:59.479 --> 1:28:03.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't go Look the first one, it's probably hard.

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<v Speaker 6>To be that.

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<v Speaker 1>She might not get on. She might not know I'm

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<v Speaker 1>putting Diana Ross on there, like not gonna get on

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<v Speaker 1>that at all. The only person. I know for sure

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be Mary J Blige. I know for sure

1:28:15.720 --> 1:28:18.040
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be Mary J Blige, Mary J BLI gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be at the end of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's She definitely re established if it ever kind

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<v Speaker 3>of went away, because female R and B never went away.

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<v Speaker 5>So does Beyonce not get it?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. She's not on this.

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<v Speaker 6>Diana Ross is on there right attack like you.

1:28:33.600 --> 1:28:35.639
<v Speaker 1>That's okay, that that will change. Beyonce is the one.

1:28:35.800 --> 1:28:38.000
<v Speaker 1>She's still the one that don't gotta be on every list.

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<v Speaker 1>She wouldn't. But if we talk about Nigga wing for seventy,

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<v Speaker 1>she couldn't be on the list, So she can missed

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<v Speaker 1>a list. Uh first, is is it a reason or

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<v Speaker 1>is it Billy Holliday? Billy is jazz still, but we're

1:28:53.800 --> 1:28:57.479
<v Speaker 1>talking about okay, because you gotta go post forty Ross,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be fifties sixties you said on that far

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<v Speaker 1>who you said fifties and sixties? I'm saying who first?

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<v Speaker 6>You said?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably Aretha hold On. People love to Reatha. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know why they loved it, I mean, but they loved.

1:29:15.600 --> 1:29:18.000
<v Speaker 3>Her like they were dear to her. Differently like I

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<v Speaker 3>would love to ask my my mask my mom one time.

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<v Speaker 5>You ain't like Aretha that much?

1:29:23.680 --> 1:29:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's dope. I like Patler Bill more than Rita though,

1:29:26.520 --> 1:29:29.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean yeah, I mean it's Patty like she making

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<v Speaker 1>pies and everything.

1:29:31.120 --> 1:29:33.200
<v Speaker 6>Patty Piles were playing things on Walker.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not on here.

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<v Speaker 6>Dianna is a real pop act and the coldest riding

1:29:38.600 --> 1:29:41.400
<v Speaker 6>I keep saying Dianea Ross, which she's on this list right.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's figure out who is the first James James Bell

1:29:49.280 --> 1:29:52.080
<v Speaker 1>She's dope and she from La Is that? Is that

1:29:52.120 --> 1:29:54.679
<v Speaker 1>a James from LA I didn't know that about Leila

1:29:54.800 --> 1:29:58.519
<v Speaker 1>half the way. No, no, no way back then.

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<v Speaker 3>Yah, I was about we might have to come what

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<v Speaker 3>is your George Washington? Who is a George Washington? A female?

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<v Speaker 1>R and B You might have to come back to

1:30:10.320 --> 1:30:13.240
<v Speaker 1>this one. I don't know that one because Billy Holliday

1:30:13.360 --> 1:30:15.479
<v Speaker 1>was jazz. She was before that, I remember correctly.

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<v Speaker 6>No, let me ask, let me ask. Definitely jazz. She

1:30:21.520 --> 1:30:22.760
<v Speaker 6>was scatting and everything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the first female. Might have to be on there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>how about Gladys Knight.

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<v Speaker 6>Gladys what it came up? What came up?

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<v Speaker 1>Mary?

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<v Speaker 6>Welles, that's.

1:30:47.200 --> 1:30:50.640
<v Speaker 3>First female R and B superstar, is often associated with

1:30:50.800 --> 1:30:54.320
<v Speaker 3>Mary Welles. She is considered a pioneer of motown music

1:30:54.439 --> 1:30:57.720
<v Speaker 3>and the first successful female R and B star that

1:30:58.080 --> 1:31:01.200
<v Speaker 3>the first female artist to achieve ainstream pop success with

1:31:01.400 --> 1:31:04.000
<v Speaker 3>hits like the one You Really Loved You and My

1:31:04.200 --> 1:31:05.439
<v Speaker 3>Guy Damn.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I forgot about that one My guy.

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<v Speaker 6>Damn.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me see something very well.

1:31:13.280 --> 1:31:19.040
<v Speaker 6>I remember not putting on the list because if you

1:31:19.120 --> 1:31:20.640
<v Speaker 6>do the same thing with the R and B that,

1:31:20.920 --> 1:31:23.120
<v Speaker 6>it's not gonna come up with Ray, It's gonna have somebody.

1:31:22.880 --> 1:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Else had Bobby Brown. H is gonna be hard to

1:31:31.200 --> 1:31:34.080
<v Speaker 1>beat that. Get some mention on here, it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>hard to be very well.

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<v Speaker 6>Shock should go up there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it was. I wonder what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>icon Mary Wells was.

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<v Speaker 6>That's what I'm saying. You can't put up there. She

1:31:47.880 --> 1:31:49.840
<v Speaker 6>ain't like if it adn't come to your mind like that,

1:31:50.000 --> 1:31:51.200
<v Speaker 6>then you can't put on this list.

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<v Speaker 1>Then is this she in the group too?

1:31:53.000 --> 1:31:53.160
<v Speaker 6>Though?

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<v Speaker 1>Very well, here's one in Americas. He was in a

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<v Speaker 1>group too? Was My Guy a group song?

1:32:02.200 --> 1:32:02.360
<v Speaker 6>Now?

1:32:02.720 --> 1:32:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Without a group song? I think it was a group song.

1:32:09.880 --> 1:32:11.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think that might have been a group.

1:32:11.439 --> 1:32:14.400
<v Speaker 6>That was a group song.

1:32:14.479 --> 1:32:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no it's not. That's oh no, it's not what

1:32:18.000 --> 1:32:21.120
<v Speaker 1>group was she in though they was wasn't in no group?

1:32:22.760 --> 1:32:24.280
<v Speaker 6>That was a solo song that my guy.

1:32:24.760 --> 1:32:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's interesting. You know they had vocalists, so I

1:32:30.040 --> 1:32:35.080
<v Speaker 1>could be leave that also somebody else Mary Wells was

1:32:35.120 --> 1:32:36.040
<v Speaker 1>part of the Supremes.

1:32:36.640 --> 1:32:36.800
<v Speaker 6>Was she?

1:32:37.240 --> 1:32:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I thought she was, but I don't. I can't verify it.

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<v Speaker 1>AI be boys shit in half the time.

1:32:43.880 --> 1:32:45.720
<v Speaker 6>I'm under said, because you know them songs like she

1:32:45.840 --> 1:32:47.640
<v Speaker 6>might have seen that song and somebody else might have

1:32:47.680 --> 1:32:49.760
<v Speaker 6>sing it too, though that wasn't the group. I think

1:32:49.800 --> 1:32:51.840
<v Speaker 6>the Supremes did sing it right. Then the Supreme sing

1:32:51.920 --> 1:32:52.439
<v Speaker 6>that song too.

1:32:55.000 --> 1:32:56.600
<v Speaker 1>I gotta die back. That's way before my.

1:32:56.680 --> 1:32:58.840
<v Speaker 6>Time now, then the Supreme sing that song too.

1:32:59.280 --> 1:33:02.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she was in the Prince for sure. I think

1:33:02.280 --> 1:33:05.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm okay with saying Mary Wells. I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know enough about Mary Wellster. That's what I'm saying.

1:33:09.000 --> 1:33:18.719
<v Speaker 1>Maybe not, maybe not. It said her career, Yeah, ignorant,

1:33:18.760 --> 1:33:19.200
<v Speaker 1>don't mean that.

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<v Speaker 6>It's right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure she had. She was a big deal because

1:33:21.479 --> 1:33:22.519
<v Speaker 1>he was a big record.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm good with Mary Wells.

1:33:25.200 --> 1:33:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know putting that on the yah when you

1:33:31.000 --> 1:33:33.479
<v Speaker 1>read up on Mary Wells right now, like she seemed

1:33:33.520 --> 1:33:34.080
<v Speaker 1>like a big deal.

1:33:34.240 --> 1:33:37.479
<v Speaker 5>She seemed like she did her thing and could be

1:33:38.960 --> 1:33:44.479
<v Speaker 5>I said Dana Ross ma first maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, bro, I'm with Donad What the chat saying, George Washington, Yeah,

1:33:53.760 --> 1:33:57.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm with Dina. I'm with Donad Ross.

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<v Speaker 6>George. They said, that's what Jennifer Hudson wasn't that's what

1:34:00.520 --> 1:34:03.519
<v Speaker 6>character was based off for Oh wow, based up in

1:34:03.600 --> 1:34:06.280
<v Speaker 6>manyell mm hmm, oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man, Mary Mary. I like the choice

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 6>Well Wells and Diana Ross was competition.

1:34:13.960 --> 1:34:15.160
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm gonna go downa Ross.

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<v Speaker 6>That's what I said from the jump. Yeah, I think

1:34:22.200 --> 1:34:25.519
<v Speaker 6>that's a push, but no, I think it gotta be her.

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<v Speaker 6>You got the supremes, all the supremes. And he moved

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<v Speaker 6>on to you know what I'm saying, like she could

1:34:31.920 --> 1:34:33.639
<v Speaker 6>even she gonna fall in one of these spots though.

1:34:37.920 --> 1:34:40.479
<v Speaker 6>She could fall into the expansion the expansion spot though too,

1:34:40.479 --> 1:34:42.519
<v Speaker 6>because she took that. She took the game out there though, too,

1:34:43.080 --> 1:34:44.880
<v Speaker 6>So you could if you wanna through many Wells, you

1:34:44.920 --> 1:34:48.240
<v Speaker 6>can put her in the Theodore Roosevelt. Te Roosevelt spot too.

1:34:48.880 --> 1:34:49.479
<v Speaker 1>She ain't getting that.

1:34:54.760 --> 1:34:59.160
<v Speaker 6>She went so black, King Patrick Man, come on, man, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>What I thought, darry Donna Ross should probably be George Washington.

1:35:02.120 --> 1:35:03.800
<v Speaker 3>I think she was the first female R and B

1:35:04.040 --> 1:35:05.280
<v Speaker 3>icon that we can remember.

1:35:06.360 --> 1:35:06.479
<v Speaker 6>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if that's wrong or not, but I'm

1:35:08.439 --> 1:35:12.360
<v Speaker 3>thinking that's what's important, right, is we're remembering like George.

1:35:12.600 --> 1:35:14.560
<v Speaker 3>We all know George Washington is that's not none of

1:35:14.680 --> 1:35:16.479
<v Speaker 3>us go trip. Even if we don't know much about

1:35:16.479 --> 1:35:18.439
<v Speaker 3>George Washington, we know that's George Washington.

1:35:22.520 --> 1:35:27.599
<v Speaker 1>The same thing it's Whitney. And hold on, let's can

1:35:27.640 --> 1:35:30.920
<v Speaker 1>we agree with donnad Ross and Georgian put Mike?

1:35:31.240 --> 1:35:33.920
<v Speaker 6>Did we put Mike in the in the men joint? Yeah?

1:35:34.640 --> 1:35:35.559
<v Speaker 1>And he introduced her?

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<v Speaker 6>All right, all right, all right. I'm just saying because

1:35:42.000 --> 1:35:43.599
<v Speaker 6>if you want, you gonna put Mike in there, because

1:35:43.680 --> 1:35:45.439
<v Speaker 6>Mike was a pop and you can't put Whitney up

1:35:45.439 --> 1:35:47.240
<v Speaker 6>in there, even that Whitney super pop.

1:35:47.439 --> 1:35:49.479
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I don't know if Whitney gonna

1:35:49.479 --> 1:35:50.040
<v Speaker 1>make a period.

1:35:50.600 --> 1:35:51.320
<v Speaker 6>Whitney was pop.

1:35:52.080 --> 1:35:54.400
<v Speaker 1>So what's the second criteria forgot?

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<v Speaker 3>So it's Jefferson. If they expanded it. Okay, they took

1:35:58.560 --> 1:36:01.240
<v Speaker 3>it from Donna Ross and wentn't even further. That might

1:36:01.320 --> 1:36:05.280
<v Speaker 3>be it shouldn't it should have been Mary Wells and

1:36:05.400 --> 1:36:05.920
<v Speaker 3>Dona Roll.

1:36:06.000 --> 1:36:09.160
<v Speaker 1>That might be Aretha That could I roll with that too?

1:36:09.560 --> 1:36:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Mary Wells first, Diana Ross? Yeah, but it probably should

1:36:12.400 --> 1:36:14.759
<v Speaker 1>be Dona Ross. Have we all heard of Mary Wells?

1:36:14.840 --> 1:36:19.080
<v Speaker 1>I have obvious when you were younger. Yeah, Motown was

1:36:19.080 --> 1:36:21.960
<v Speaker 1>a big deal when I was younger. Dina Ross was

1:36:22.040 --> 1:36:23.920
<v Speaker 1>the queen of Motown. I know that for sure.

1:36:25.520 --> 1:36:29.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's go Mary Diana. I still think we're kind

1:36:29.040 --> 1:36:35.360
<v Speaker 3>of cheating, But Diana is way before Diana Ross, so

1:36:35.560 --> 1:36:36.120
<v Speaker 3>just go down.

1:36:36.640 --> 1:36:42.240
<v Speaker 1>She's way before donas time for years, ten years. I

1:36:42.280 --> 1:36:43.680
<v Speaker 1>don't think that much, is it is?

1:36:43.840 --> 1:36:45.720
<v Speaker 3>I think Mary Wells's first song when I looked, was

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<v Speaker 3>like sixty two, and Dona ross first album is in seventy.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we go married then Diana?

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<v Speaker 6>Though? What about the Supremes?

1:36:52.160 --> 1:36:55.839
<v Speaker 3>Though, yeah, you know what, I'm with revenge. I'm with revenge,

1:36:55.880 --> 1:36:57.240
<v Speaker 3>he said. I don't know Mary Wells.

1:36:57.280 --> 1:37:01.840
<v Speaker 1>That's important. He knows who George wah Inton gout.

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<v Speaker 6>That makes She's probably from Canada too.

1:37:05.520 --> 1:37:08.080
<v Speaker 3>I think I was the President of America before everything.

1:37:08.400 --> 1:37:10.200
<v Speaker 3>That's who she represents. I think you I think you

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<v Speaker 3>gotta go one or the other, though, I don't think

1:37:11.560 --> 1:37:13.760
<v Speaker 3>you can go both. Yeah, not both, okay. Dona Ross

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<v Speaker 3>is George Washing. So then who took it where I

1:37:16.760 --> 1:37:18.559
<v Speaker 3>said I would read.

1:37:18.400 --> 1:37:25.680
<v Speaker 1>The Franklin Yeah from Donnah Ross. Yeah she did. I

1:37:25.720 --> 1:37:29.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know if I took it away out there. Aretha

1:37:29.920 --> 1:37:35.120
<v Speaker 1>Franklin was Aretha Franklin was after Dona rossad frank She

1:37:35.240 --> 1:37:38.200
<v Speaker 1>had her long career all the way through, even after

1:37:38.360 --> 1:37:41.559
<v Speaker 1>Dona Ross. I'm saying, but she older than Dona Ross.

1:37:42.040 --> 1:37:45.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Diana Ross had a solo career. You got to

1:37:46.000 --> 1:37:48.519
<v Speaker 6>go back to the to the sopruns and all that. Though.

1:37:48.800 --> 1:37:49.640
<v Speaker 6>You know what, what.

1:37:52.040 --> 1:37:57.880
<v Speaker 3>Aretha Franklin is. Aretha Franklin is the George and Donna

1:37:58.000 --> 1:37:59.320
<v Speaker 3>Russell is Jefferson.

1:37:59.400 --> 1:38:02.280
<v Speaker 1>That makes sense because that's what I was expansion, That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>Experion Franklin was like the first Yeah, her longevity was unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah Franklin. Okay, all right, so Aretha then Diana Ross.

1:38:17.160 --> 1:38:21.639
<v Speaker 3>Franklin is George Washington and then Diana Ross. Okay, I'm

1:38:21.640 --> 1:38:24.800
<v Speaker 3>okay with that, that makes sense.

1:38:25.680 --> 1:38:30.600
<v Speaker 1>So now the third one, and what this third one represent.

1:38:31.520 --> 1:38:35.400
<v Speaker 3>Aretha Franklin is she was born in forty two. Donald

1:38:35.439 --> 1:38:37.880
<v Speaker 3>Ross was born in forty four, but their career started

1:38:37.920 --> 1:38:38.759
<v Speaker 3>ten years apart.

1:38:39.160 --> 1:38:43.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that could be the same age Maria first read it.

1:38:44.560 --> 1:38:47.120
<v Speaker 1>So what's the third one, third crut? What's the third one?

1:38:47.479 --> 1:38:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Third one?

1:38:48.160 --> 1:38:51.680
<v Speaker 3>Is Teddy Roosevelt? Right, and he represented the expansion out

1:38:51.720 --> 1:38:54.120
<v Speaker 3>of the country. I think what was the Panama Canal was.

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<v Speaker 1>The big thing, and that would be Whitney.

1:38:58.280 --> 1:39:03.320
<v Speaker 3>Whitney was international act like that, Are you serious? She

1:39:04.720 --> 1:39:06.600
<v Speaker 3>was the female Michael got no coming on that.

1:39:06.760 --> 1:39:07.519
<v Speaker 6>That's what I was saying.

1:39:07.640 --> 1:39:09.679
<v Speaker 5>I was thinking, I'm thinking, I'm trying to think, because

1:39:09.680 --> 1:39:10.360
<v Speaker 5>I'm trying to think.

1:39:10.800 --> 1:39:11.639
<v Speaker 1>But she's that big.

1:39:12.080 --> 1:39:13.400
<v Speaker 5>I think she think she was big.

1:39:14.200 --> 1:39:14.519
<v Speaker 6>She was.

1:39:16.240 --> 1:39:20.440
<v Speaker 4>To have a super Bowl, big glass movie, super Bowl Bodyguard,

1:39:20.640 --> 1:39:21.520
<v Speaker 4>all that stuff.

1:39:21.240 --> 1:39:24.120
<v Speaker 6>And the super National anthem, the super Bowl the national

1:39:24.479 --> 1:39:30.519
<v Speaker 6>Wasn't that the super Bowl at the super Bowl National anthem? Different?

1:39:31.120 --> 1:39:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Okaycuse not say halftime show.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah that's the fact, you're right, My bad, But no,

1:39:39.320 --> 1:39:39.880
<v Speaker 6>she was big.

1:39:42.160 --> 1:39:45.519
<v Speaker 5>So who we say was bigger than Whitney, Well, it's

1:39:45.560 --> 1:39:49.439
<v Speaker 5>not bigger than I mean, I'm from international, expanding the past.

1:39:49.800 --> 1:39:51.000
<v Speaker 5>If we if we were going to if we're not

1:39:51.040 --> 1:39:54.080
<v Speaker 5>putting her there, who do we say was expect you know,

1:39:54.800 --> 1:39:56.320
<v Speaker 5>look at the women that came out. You're right, it

1:39:56.400 --> 1:39:58.400
<v Speaker 5>has to be Whitney. It has to be with me

1:39:58.840 --> 1:40:02.560
<v Speaker 5>then married Almos for getting me roughly. And it's not

1:40:02.680 --> 1:40:04.280
<v Speaker 5>like I don't have respect for Whitney. He like puts

1:40:04.320 --> 1:40:07.240
<v Speaker 5>in respect. It's not that it's just try to get

1:40:07.280 --> 1:40:10.320
<v Speaker 5>it right. But it probably the best vocalists to.

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<v Speaker 1>Me in my mind too. Need to read the Franklin too. Yeah,

1:40:14.280 --> 1:40:16.040
<v Speaker 1>I said she was like a niece or or something

1:40:16.080 --> 1:40:19.040
<v Speaker 1>like a god daughter or some ship that makes sense

1:40:19.640 --> 1:40:20.080
<v Speaker 1>with Mary.

1:40:21.080 --> 1:40:22.120
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I just I just.

1:40:24.080 --> 1:40:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Conover Whitney as an international star.

1:40:27.160 --> 1:40:30.120
<v Speaker 6>You want to hear who Jack who chat GPT said?

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<v Speaker 6>They said, they said to read the Franklin, Georgia Washington.

1:40:35.760 --> 1:40:40.679
<v Speaker 6>They said, Thomas Jefferson is Beyonce, Abraham Lincoln is married

1:40:40.760 --> 1:40:44.479
<v Speaker 6>J Blige, and then and Teddy Roosevelt shot there.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I'm not mad at that. I'm gonna tell

1:40:50.280 --> 1:40:53.200
<v Speaker 3>you why I didn't disagree, because I knew Mary J.

1:40:53.360 --> 1:40:55.280
<v Speaker 3>Blige is the return of R and B.

1:40:55.800 --> 1:40:56.880
<v Speaker 1>And we all agree.

1:40:57.160 --> 1:40:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Read the Franklin with George Washington. The only difference is

1:40:59.800 --> 1:41:02.560
<v Speaker 3>what we're saying about Donna Ross. They said, who was it?

1:41:02.800 --> 1:41:06.320
<v Speaker 6>Beyonce said, Beyonce with Teddy Roosevelt. I mean, I mean,

1:41:06.360 --> 1:41:07.240
<v Speaker 6>I'm time with Jefferson.

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<v Speaker 5>Excuse me, Okay, So I kind of jumped to, uh

1:41:13.200 --> 1:41:16.559
<v Speaker 5>my only disagreement with that that with that rigo party shot,

1:41:18.160 --> 1:41:19.280
<v Speaker 5>I said Beyonce too.

1:41:20.439 --> 1:41:22.400
<v Speaker 6>They put they put shot there. They said, because the

1:41:22.479 --> 1:41:25.280
<v Speaker 6>timeless innovation and drama elevation.

1:41:27.400 --> 1:41:31.360
<v Speaker 1>This is a bad motherfucker. Yeah, we don't know, Beyonce.

1:41:31.720 --> 1:41:33.800
<v Speaker 6>I mean know, we're gonna go, uh, they're gonna go

1:41:33.880 --> 1:41:39.839
<v Speaker 6>Whitney with Whitney for West spot for for Teddy Jefferson.

1:41:40.920 --> 1:41:42.479
<v Speaker 6>I'm not, man, Yeah, I'm not.

1:41:43.680 --> 1:41:43.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not.

1:41:44.479 --> 1:41:46.960
<v Speaker 6>She was so popped though, she was just so popped though.

1:41:47.000 --> 1:41:51.720
<v Speaker 6>That's the only thing. Like she wasn't really like R

1:41:51.720 --> 1:41:53.760
<v Speaker 6>and B songs for Whinney Houston like that. Man, that's

1:41:53.760 --> 1:41:55.160
<v Speaker 6>the same what you say about Michael Jackson.

1:41:55.840 --> 1:42:01.080
<v Speaker 1>I know he was hello pop. Yeah, black people looked

1:42:01.120 --> 1:42:04.080
<v Speaker 1>at her as R and B they did. We're looking

1:42:04.120 --> 1:42:05.880
<v Speaker 1>at hindsight now, No, they didn't look.

1:42:05.760 --> 1:42:07.800
<v Speaker 6>At No, they didn't know they did.

1:42:07.840 --> 1:42:13.560
<v Speaker 1>It was the white people can talk ship about what

1:42:14.240 --> 1:42:15.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they knew, they all knew she could sing

1:42:16.080 --> 1:42:19.599
<v Speaker 1>her ass off. But that's like, yeah, people didn't talk

1:42:19.840 --> 1:42:24.000
<v Speaker 1>about Whitney. He was there, he was there, he can

1:42:24.040 --> 1:42:27.600
<v Speaker 1>hear this sing. She was pretty. That's true. I didn't know.

1:42:27.840 --> 1:42:28.760
<v Speaker 1>That's not what she's saying.

1:42:29.200 --> 1:42:29.600
<v Speaker 6>You didn't know.

1:42:30.560 --> 1:42:33.160
<v Speaker 3>That's how you can see Luther was gay as the motherfucker.

1:42:33.240 --> 1:42:35.240
<v Speaker 3>I had never had no idea like Luther was gay.

1:42:35.880 --> 1:42:37.760
<v Speaker 3>That's how good that nigga saying that. I didn't even

1:42:37.880 --> 1:42:39.640
<v Speaker 3>when I saw never too much. And I'm like, oh,

1:42:39.680 --> 1:42:42.679
<v Speaker 3>this nigga obviously was gay, but he's saying so fucking good.

1:42:42.760 --> 1:42:44.719
<v Speaker 1>I was like, this nigga is the best.

1:42:44.960 --> 1:42:54.920
<v Speaker 11>That's how George Michaels was like, yeah, yeah, white people

1:42:54.960 --> 1:42:56.679
<v Speaker 11>get that off coat.

1:42:57.720 --> 1:42:59.320
<v Speaker 1>So what's the four for the women?

1:43:00.240 --> 1:43:03.840
<v Speaker 3>Because reading Franklin Dona Ross, we're saying we the Houston

1:43:03.880 --> 1:43:07.599
<v Speaker 3>instead of yeah, Beyonce is not on there.

1:43:08.120 --> 1:43:11.880
<v Speaker 1>No, it's gonna be Mary J. The gotta be Beyonce,

1:43:12.040 --> 1:43:14.600
<v Speaker 1>guys to break the bad news to you, Mary J.

1:43:15.160 --> 1:43:15.839
<v Speaker 6>B back.

1:43:18.000 --> 1:43:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Conversation, Mary J. Blige broke that real R and B.

1:43:21.280 --> 1:43:27.439
<v Speaker 6>You know what, somebody just said about us rocked though

1:43:27.640 --> 1:43:31.360
<v Speaker 6>she was hold on that again. Somebody mentioned Tina Turner though,

1:43:31.400 --> 1:43:32.799
<v Speaker 6>but I don't I don't really.

1:43:36.280 --> 1:43:38.479
<v Speaker 1>Turner actually actually know Tina Turner's career.

1:43:38.600 --> 1:43:42.519
<v Speaker 3>No, wow, what's hold Ontina? Contina was rocked, got into

1:43:42.640 --> 1:43:44.760
<v Speaker 3>R and B and she when she went, she went.

1:43:44.760 --> 1:43:47.560
<v Speaker 5>Okay, so you're talking about Okay, she wasn't even the

1:43:47.680 --> 1:43:49.080
<v Speaker 5>genre of music. She don't fit the giant.

1:43:49.280 --> 1:43:51.080
<v Speaker 1>She don't really have. What's not got to do with?

1:43:51.120 --> 1:43:53.240
<v Speaker 1>It's not an R and B song, that's not that's

1:43:53.280 --> 1:43:56.960
<v Speaker 1>a rock song too. Okay, all right, okay, so I'd

1:43:57.040 --> 1:43:57.840
<v Speaker 1>like to list you did.

1:43:59.200 --> 1:44:05.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, behind the Ross Whitney Houston and Mary J. Block

1:44:07.080 --> 1:44:08.000
<v Speaker 3>brought back Real Lauren B.

1:44:08.120 --> 1:44:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is not mad. I'm not mad? Wait what was it?

1:44:16.120 --> 1:44:18.000
<v Speaker 1>What did it say? What did that gv T say?

1:44:19.040 --> 1:44:22.519
<v Speaker 6>They said it said that said all right, held on?

1:44:24.200 --> 1:44:28.160
<v Speaker 6>All right? So it said George Washington is Aretha Franklin.

1:44:28.760 --> 1:44:32.240
<v Speaker 6>They said they gave her a birth. The expansion they

1:44:32.360 --> 1:44:34.640
<v Speaker 6>gave that was that was Thomas Jefferson and gave that

1:44:34.720 --> 1:44:40.280
<v Speaker 6>to Beyonce. The preservation they gave it that Abraham Lincoln.

1:44:40.320 --> 1:44:44.679
<v Speaker 6>They gave it to Mary J. And the development Theodore

1:44:44.760 --> 1:44:47.920
<v Speaker 6>Roosevelt gave the shot the I'm not mad.

1:44:47.800 --> 1:44:51.360
<v Speaker 1>At that though. Who they could hear Beyonce too. They're

1:44:51.360 --> 1:44:53.600
<v Speaker 1>saying she was like the uh, they're saying she was.

1:44:53.800 --> 1:44:58.760
<v Speaker 6>Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Abraham Lincoln. You said you said no, no, no, no,

1:44:58.840 --> 1:45:01.120
<v Speaker 6>you said beyond. I'm sorry, you said said that.

1:45:02.680 --> 1:45:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Was taking Tina Turner to me.

1:45:05.960 --> 1:45:09.200
<v Speaker 8>It said global, it said global reach, drama been there

1:45:11.160 --> 1:45:14.280
<v Speaker 8>her dad over Tina Turner. She's like, well there, so no,

1:45:14.880 --> 1:45:16.160
<v Speaker 8>she didn't that bring nothing new?

1:45:18.120 --> 1:45:24.680
<v Speaker 6>Who be Yeah, she didn't bring nothing new rolls on it.

1:45:25.840 --> 1:45:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Huh.

1:45:26.680 --> 1:45:28.000
<v Speaker 6>They didn't put Diana Ross on it.

1:45:29.720 --> 1:45:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Understand why you don't put Dona ross Sony. I understand

1:45:32.439 --> 1:45:34.920
<v Speaker 1>why not. But I'm but I mean, I would put

1:45:35.000 --> 1:45:39.519
<v Speaker 1>Diana Ross I take on list because I agree with trap.

1:45:39.680 --> 1:45:40.400
<v Speaker 1>She expanded.

1:45:40.800 --> 1:45:44.680
<v Speaker 3>She took what Areka Franklin was doing and a national thing.

1:45:44.800 --> 1:45:47.200
<v Speaker 3>She became like a national superstar.

1:45:47.840 --> 1:45:48.839
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, she was crazy.

1:45:49.160 --> 1:45:51.960
<v Speaker 1>She was really some ship like that's why we know

1:45:53.360 --> 1:45:54.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm about to say.

1:45:54.080 --> 1:45:55.720
<v Speaker 6>And she was the one that was bringing out she

1:45:55.840 --> 1:45:58.320
<v Speaker 6>put out like the Jackson five. She brought out.

1:45:58.400 --> 1:46:00.240
<v Speaker 1>She brought out math. You didn't do math to the

1:46:00.280 --> 1:46:06.719
<v Speaker 1>world I'm saying, she was expanding. People don't forget the movies,

1:46:07.240 --> 1:46:12.040
<v Speaker 1>but it's scary. What's her greatest R and B song?

1:46:12.280 --> 1:46:13.000
<v Speaker 1>That's my thing?

1:46:14.600 --> 1:46:21.240
<v Speaker 6>What's the name? Feel Me? Killing Me? Infens for this.

1:46:24.400 --> 1:46:25.160
<v Speaker 1>And she got that.

1:46:26.360 --> 1:46:29.280
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, she got she got some ship. She got some ship.

1:46:30.640 --> 1:46:32.840
<v Speaker 5>It's funny because I got introduced to Diana Rouss through

1:46:32.880 --> 1:46:33.800
<v Speaker 5>acting for music.

1:46:34.360 --> 1:46:38.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, she's like, yeah, actress first, and then I

1:46:38.880 --> 1:46:42.080
<v Speaker 1>heard on the soundtrack and I was like, I always

1:46:42.120 --> 1:46:45.640
<v Speaker 1>knew she was sick. I did not know I've seen her,

1:46:45.640 --> 1:46:47.240
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh, then I heard the soundtrack,

1:46:47.280 --> 1:46:47.760
<v Speaker 1>I was like who.

1:46:48.520 --> 1:46:51.000
<v Speaker 3>One of the things I was screaming about when Dot

1:46:51.040 --> 1:46:54.240
<v Speaker 3>won that final award for that Grammy was Diana.

1:46:54.000 --> 1:46:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Ross gave him.

1:46:55.400 --> 1:46:58.120
<v Speaker 6>He did say that. He did say that to this

1:46:58.320 --> 1:46:58.920
<v Speaker 6>whole hell.

1:46:59.040 --> 1:47:01.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's man. I checked that nigga.

1:47:01.600 --> 1:47:03.800
<v Speaker 3>I said, Dina Ross nigga that nigga hit me back

1:47:03.880 --> 1:47:07.920
<v Speaker 3>like damn, I'm like, nigga, he killed that. He was

1:47:07.960 --> 1:47:13.559
<v Speaker 3>like yo, he came up like what Dinah Ross, bro, Wow,

1:47:14.479 --> 1:47:17.680
<v Speaker 3>that was like a big deal the awards Donald and

1:47:17.760 --> 1:47:18.400
<v Speaker 3>gave it to you.

1:47:19.120 --> 1:47:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Then I said that what made it so crazy was

1:47:21.000 --> 1:47:22.919
<v Speaker 1>that then she gave Mike his fipp.

1:47:22.680 --> 1:47:23.240
<v Speaker 6>One that time.

1:47:23.320 --> 1:47:25.840
<v Speaker 1>No, some like that, they said, but that was in

1:47:25.920 --> 1:47:27.439
<v Speaker 1>the I wasn't for one sothing.

1:47:27.640 --> 1:47:29.160
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm just saying, though it was.

1:47:29.479 --> 1:47:31.960
<v Speaker 1>It was like that the same amount. Yeah, for sure

1:47:34.439 --> 1:47:39.960
<v Speaker 1>it could be. Besides Dona ross I don't Frankling within

1:47:40.040 --> 1:47:42.599
<v Speaker 1>the Houston so that looked like what the seventies. I'm

1:47:42.680 --> 1:47:45.800
<v Speaker 1>rolling Diana me too. What I'm saying is anybody we're

1:47:45.840 --> 1:47:52.439
<v Speaker 1>not thinking about. I can't think anybody the chest seventies

1:47:52.600 --> 1:48:01.080
<v Speaker 1>R and B singers. Yeah, yeah, they had.

1:48:01.000 --> 1:48:05.880
<v Speaker 6>To be a big deal to somebody. You saying. Tammy Terrell, Oh.

1:48:06.680 --> 1:48:08.679
<v Speaker 1>It was more like her and Marvin Gay the duets

1:48:08.680 --> 1:48:15.439
<v Speaker 1>about Temmy burning Flat, Dona Russell Summers after flat Fire.

1:48:19.920 --> 1:48:22.720
<v Speaker 1>I thought she would this guy, you know, I mean,

1:48:22.760 --> 1:48:23.960
<v Speaker 1>but about the same.

1:48:24.760 --> 1:48:27.160
<v Speaker 3>Gwyn Dicky is another dope singer that we didn't talk about.

1:48:27.200 --> 1:48:29.240
<v Speaker 3>Vocal lead singer from Rose Royce.

1:48:29.520 --> 1:48:40.400
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hopefully she's crazy vocally

1:48:40.479 --> 1:48:43.519
<v Speaker 6>she might be a nine. I think, bro, are we

1:48:43.680 --> 1:48:47.640
<v Speaker 6>tripping on Shoka like that? Shock? You could do that?

1:48:48.520 --> 1:48:50.400
<v Speaker 1>It could be Shocked or Gladys Night.

1:48:51.600 --> 1:48:52.120
<v Speaker 6>Lad As Night.

1:48:52.280 --> 1:48:55.559
<v Speaker 1>We have not talked about glad I mentioned Glad It's night. Yeah, yeah,

1:48:56.280 --> 1:48:58.439
<v Speaker 1>you know why she wasn't a solo act even turning.

1:49:01.720 --> 1:49:06.519
<v Speaker 1>Come on, man, I think you said the Pimps. I

1:49:06.600 --> 1:49:12.320
<v Speaker 1>used to I used to think that's what we all thought.

1:49:12.320 --> 1:49:16.720
<v Speaker 9>It was Glad at Night in the Pimps, that that

1:49:16.880 --> 1:49:18.280
<v Speaker 9>had me messed up when I was a kid, and

1:49:18.320 --> 1:49:21.479
<v Speaker 9>that that Uh go see cal commercial they used to

1:49:21.520 --> 1:49:22.120
<v Speaker 9>play all the time.

1:49:24.680 --> 1:49:28.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, go see caw see caw That's what it sounded like, bro,

1:49:28.840 --> 1:49:30.360
<v Speaker 1>when I was a little kid. I don't know how

1:49:30.400 --> 1:49:36.000
<v Speaker 1>we've seen that ship way up in Washington. Yeah, it

1:49:36.080 --> 1:49:38.599
<v Speaker 1>was definitely a regional commercial for sure, But I definitely

1:49:38.640 --> 1:49:40.040
<v Speaker 1>did not think you.

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<v Speaker 4>Put one up there in Frederick Way, Kyle Worthington, Uh,

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<v Speaker 4>franchise up there in Washington. I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Animals and ships.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably hold on, I'm looking right now, man, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be tough to be Dona Ross man.

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<v Speaker 5>I think they got staples on here, rolling Chaka Khan,

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<v Speaker 5>Donna Summers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good list right here. That's down the Summers

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<v Speaker 1>one given a rough for money. That's how good the

1:50:14.680 --> 1:50:15.759
<v Speaker 1>music was when it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, Aretha Franklin is the George Washington Dinah

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<v Speaker 3>Ross is Tom Jefferson.

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<v Speaker 1>Whitney Houston is the Teddy Roosevelt.

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<v Speaker 11>Mary J.

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<v Speaker 1>Blige is the leacuoln.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna say with that, Eddie Ray, I'm okay, I

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<v Speaker 3>could breathe with that. I'm locking that in a lock

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<v Speaker 3>it ro.

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<v Speaker 1>Ween mm hmm. Yeah, I'm with that.

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<v Speaker 6>Call a call so so.

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<v Speaker 1>Laugh when the.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah up?

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<v Speaker 2>Hm.

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<v Speaker 1>Mary J. Blige is really the one, bro. You you

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<v Speaker 1>fuck what you think of Mary?

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<v Speaker 6>So?

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<v Speaker 4>What's what's unanimous? Which one of those is unanimous on

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<v Speaker 4>both lists? What's unanimous? Like greath is unanimous?

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<v Speaker 1>Areatha was unanimous, Diana Diana Ross is not shaky, Whitney

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<v Speaker 1>Houston was shaky, okay, and Mary J Is is unanimous? No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who could you replace Mary J. Blige with?

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<v Speaker 1>As Franklin is the only unanimous one? Yeah for sure, Nah,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta go married. It's hard, man. I understand what

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<v Speaker 1>the on there though, you can't Beyonce didn't bring That's.

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<v Speaker 5>What I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't flip Beyonce on there. Bring R and B

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<v Speaker 1>back with the Desney.

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<v Speaker 5>Not bring like I'm like it was dead to be

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<v Speaker 5>win solo.

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<v Speaker 1>No beyond started making up stopped that and then males.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Ray Charles. That is a unanimous ones.

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<v Speaker 3>We all agreed that Ray Charles probably was the first. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>you kind of want to say sty wanted, but we

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<v Speaker 3>said Ray Charles. He went on his as though he

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<v Speaker 3>Steve Wonder sure Ray Charles. Number two was Marvin Gay.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a tough one.

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<v Speaker 3>So that wasn't unanimous, but I think we kind of

1:52:16.200 --> 1:52:18.760
<v Speaker 3>realized it needed to be. Okay, is that fair? Six

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<v Speaker 3>that again Marvin Gay really united, he needed to be.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, we got the unanimous on just trying to figure

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<v Speaker 4>out that us needed okay, so that's too unanimous.

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Jackson was kind of the shaky one that we

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<v Speaker 3>all just had to accept, okay, and we all agreed.

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<v Speaker 1>It had to be r Kelly three unanimous is on

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<v Speaker 1>that one? Okay? I think the male one it was

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<v Speaker 1>definitely have chat GBT make us a drawing.

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<v Speaker 6>Of that. Yeah. I don't think we're gonna do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I can do it. Do it.

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<v Speaker 3>you elaborate later on your statement? Gn next equal Striller.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that shout out to No Selings. I just

1:53:58.800 --> 1:54:00.720
<v Speaker 3>knew it was going to have a about five or

1:54:00.800 --> 1:54:03.799
<v Speaker 3>six records that were gonna be big records, big singers.

1:54:05.720 --> 1:54:12.880
<v Speaker 1>The way it's composed, the success, it's like him.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like the culmination of all his powers coming into

1:54:15.680 --> 1:54:18.880
<v Speaker 3>one in him understanding exactly how much of himself he

1:54:18.960 --> 1:54:22.280
<v Speaker 3>needed to present yet how much he needed to align

1:54:22.439 --> 1:54:25.759
<v Speaker 3>himself culturally, Like I think that was important for Michael

1:54:25.800 --> 1:54:28.160
<v Speaker 3>Jackson with Thriller. Like I think that's where he went

1:54:28.200 --> 1:54:31.719
<v Speaker 3>wrong on Bad. Bad didn't have a real black music feel,

1:54:32.960 --> 1:54:36.040
<v Speaker 3>Like I think he wasn't really digging black music at

1:54:36.080 --> 1:54:36.400
<v Speaker 3>the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Like at that time, probably the.

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<v Speaker 3>Biggest Black act in the eighty seven would have probably

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<v Speaker 3>been Cameo, right it Candies around that time, Like I

1:54:47.240 --> 1:54:50.000
<v Speaker 3>think he didn't really I think Michael Jackson see before

1:54:50.120 --> 1:54:52.320
<v Speaker 3>that when he did Thriller, he was able to look

1:54:52.360 --> 1:54:54.480
<v Speaker 3>at Hall of Notes, who had a different pipeline of

1:54:54.520 --> 1:54:55.040
<v Speaker 3>black people.

1:54:55.440 --> 1:54:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Right, So when you hear Billy Jean, you could hear

1:54:59.400 --> 1:55:04.400
<v Speaker 1>I can't go that. Rick James was destroying at that time, right,

1:55:05.000 --> 1:55:06.800
<v Speaker 1>you know further problem, I was just thinking about what

1:55:06.880 --> 1:55:07.400
<v Speaker 1>you just said.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of them older groups like Commodorees and all

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<v Speaker 4>them started going solo in the eighties and stuff, Well

1:55:15.920 --> 1:55:18.440
<v Speaker 4>they started going sold them groups started going solo, But

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<v Speaker 4>it wasn't the eighties.

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<v Speaker 3>But it wasn't just that, right, like they Cameo was

1:55:23.160 --> 1:55:26.320
<v Speaker 3>doing damage to black music at that time. The Cameo

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<v Speaker 3>was for sure the blackest thing I heard at that

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<v Speaker 3>time in the midti Yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like the last group everybody started going solo and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think what he was saying wasn't Teddy. Wasn't

1:55:38.560 --> 1:55:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Teddy rockling around that time too?

1:55:40.520 --> 1:55:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Yep, Teddy Teddy is a little earlier earlier. It was

1:55:45.160 --> 1:55:48.600
<v Speaker 3>earlier eighties than the mid to late eighties. He was

1:55:48.640 --> 1:55:51.040
<v Speaker 3>solo like in the late seventies, right was he? I

1:55:51.120 --> 1:55:53.560
<v Speaker 3>thought it was what was it was the early eighties

1:55:54.800 --> 1:55:57.360
<v Speaker 3>about Teddy pinograms vocally, that's another one of your favorite votes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's about right.

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<v Speaker 6>Trapping.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think and I think Michael Jackson ignored Cameo

1:56:04.920 --> 1:56:08.440
<v Speaker 3>mm hmm. I think he saw that as I wonder

1:56:08.520 --> 1:56:11.640
<v Speaker 3>what was the conversation about musicianship around Cameo, like how

1:56:11.680 --> 1:56:12.920
<v Speaker 3>it was around James Brown.

1:56:13.360 --> 1:56:16.040
<v Speaker 1>The New York Players New York City players was different.

1:56:16.280 --> 1:56:19.120
<v Speaker 3>I mean they didn't really the New York players like

1:56:19.200 --> 1:56:21.520
<v Speaker 3>Cameo didn't really Cameo was out there though.

1:56:21.880 --> 1:56:24.240
<v Speaker 6>They was mexing with Cameo over here.

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<v Speaker 1>Pop. No, that was that was to me the biggest thing.

1:56:29.040 --> 1:56:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Again I was a kid. The biggest thing on the

1:56:31.720 --> 1:56:35.160
<v Speaker 1>black scene to me at that time was Cameo.

1:56:35.360 --> 1:56:38.000
<v Speaker 3>Bro Cameo was like, because hip hop was coming to

1:56:38.080 --> 1:56:40.480
<v Speaker 3>run everything down at this point, this is mid to

1:56:40.600 --> 1:56:43.920
<v Speaker 3>late eighties hip hop running everything down LLL and them

1:56:43.960 --> 1:56:44.880
<v Speaker 3>starting to run sh it down.

1:56:44.880 --> 1:56:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Here come in w A, here come all this rap.

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<v Speaker 4>Cameo couldn't been a welcome map for hip hops. Well,

1:56:50.160 --> 1:56:51.760
<v Speaker 4>it kind of was hip hop, you know what I'm saying,

1:56:52.600 --> 1:56:56.880
<v Speaker 4>right hip He had a soft call word up that

1:56:57.000 --> 1:57:00.960
<v Speaker 4>was hip hop right now. But my Michael Jackson I

1:57:01.080 --> 1:57:02.000
<v Speaker 4>think ignored that.

1:57:02.280 --> 1:57:05.440
<v Speaker 3>So when he looked for his urban influence of musicianship

1:57:05.520 --> 1:57:09.080
<v Speaker 3>at that time, him and him and Quincy, I think

1:57:09.120 --> 1:57:11.240
<v Speaker 3>they looked to Ray Parker when they should have looked

1:57:11.280 --> 1:57:14.240
<v Speaker 3>at Cameo and Ray Parker. At that time, Kinna already

1:57:14.280 --> 1:57:18.040
<v Speaker 3>had a pop sound like Bad is like Ghostbusters Ghostbusters.

1:57:18.360 --> 1:57:20.760
<v Speaker 3>This the same song, but Ghostbusters is corny as fuck.

1:57:20.800 --> 1:57:24.240
<v Speaker 3>It's already not tight, Like none of us really fucked

1:57:24.240 --> 1:57:25.920
<v Speaker 3>with Ghostbusters unless we was little kids like.

1:57:25.920 --> 1:57:27.800
<v Speaker 1>We were, and we just jammed it. But that wasn't

1:57:27.920 --> 1:57:29.280
<v Speaker 1>like a song we fucked with.

1:57:29.840 --> 1:57:32.680
<v Speaker 3>So I think he didn't look at Cameo the way

1:57:32.760 --> 1:57:35.240
<v Speaker 3>he looked at Rick James to make Thriller, or the

1:57:35.280 --> 1:57:37.960
<v Speaker 3>way he looked at different black acts to kind of

1:57:38.040 --> 1:57:41.480
<v Speaker 3>put black music into bad So then you just end

1:57:41.560 --> 1:57:44.160
<v Speaker 3>up with kind of this really pop offering of a

1:57:44.240 --> 1:57:47.120
<v Speaker 3>bunch of records that really kind of don't have no

1:57:48.000 --> 1:57:50.840
<v Speaker 3>like no real blackness to him outside of Michael Jackson

1:57:50.880 --> 1:57:52.200
<v Speaker 3>applying whatever that looks like.

1:57:52.320 --> 1:57:55.440
<v Speaker 1>After selling thirty million, then he grew up in Motown,

1:57:55.560 --> 1:57:57.960
<v Speaker 1>so he had that was in them, but he was.

1:57:58.000 --> 1:57:59.960
<v Speaker 3>But he already depended on it. But by that time,

1:58:00.000 --> 1:58:03.000
<v Speaker 3>I remember he's on He's he's fresh off Thriller. Thriller

1:58:03.160 --> 1:58:07.320
<v Speaker 3>is ten twenty thirty million. Yeah, like it's killing. So

1:58:07.440 --> 1:58:09.080
<v Speaker 3>he's not touching the third.

1:58:09.000 --> 1:58:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Like that no more. He not on the scene no more.

1:58:11.440 --> 1:58:15.640
<v Speaker 3>This nigga for me is the man. So it's like,

1:58:16.680 --> 1:58:19.000
<v Speaker 3>I think he looked at Ray Parker, you know what

1:58:19.000 --> 1:58:21.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean? And there I'm not just saying he had

1:58:22.040 --> 1:58:24.800
<v Speaker 3>He definitely ate his before Ghostbusters, But I don't think

1:58:25.440 --> 1:58:28.680
<v Speaker 3>when it came to black music, Ray Parker was as

1:58:28.920 --> 1:58:31.360
<v Speaker 3>as dense culturally as.

1:58:31.400 --> 1:58:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Let's say, Cameo Cameo's connection to blackness.

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<v Speaker 3>Darryl, you know better than me because you from that

1:58:37.280 --> 1:58:41.040
<v Speaker 3>time period, it was deep, like niggas love Cameo, like

1:58:41.160 --> 1:58:45.200
<v Speaker 3>my mom loved fucking Cameo like it was black as fuck.

1:58:45.240 --> 1:58:48.160
<v Speaker 3>And I don't know why Michael Jackson didn't pull from

1:58:48.280 --> 1:58:52.160
<v Speaker 3>Cameo for some records on Bad I don't know why

1:58:52.240 --> 1:58:54.640
<v Speaker 3>he didn't. So but so back to the point with

1:58:54.800 --> 1:58:56.760
<v Speaker 3>gn X, I think the point with gn X is

1:58:57.760 --> 1:59:01.440
<v Speaker 3>dot realized, like the culmination of what's happening in the space,

1:59:01.800 --> 1:59:04.520
<v Speaker 3>how to make it his and then represent it at

1:59:04.560 --> 1:59:07.120
<v Speaker 3>the perfect time. So it equated to him having more

1:59:07.160 --> 1:59:10.760
<v Speaker 3>successful singles than any other album songs. That's probably It's

1:59:10.760 --> 1:59:13.360
<v Speaker 3>gonna probably be multiple songs on this album that go diamond.

1:59:14.160 --> 1:59:16.680
<v Speaker 3>The album is probably gonna end up somewhere near five

1:59:16.760 --> 1:59:20.680
<v Speaker 3>or six million sol. I mean it's a different type

1:59:20.680 --> 1:59:23.640
<v Speaker 3>of thing. I mean where he's where he culminated that

1:59:23.720 --> 1:59:25.920
<v Speaker 3>as an artist. So shout out to quin t to

1:59:26.080 --> 1:59:28.720
<v Speaker 3>Quinnity cooling the gang. That's another one, yep.

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<v Speaker 4>So do you think Prince was able to pull from

1:59:31.280 --> 1:59:34.480
<v Speaker 4>somebody like, like you said, Cameo and stuff like that

1:59:34.640 --> 1:59:37.200
<v Speaker 4>better than Mike did since Mike didn't pull it because.

1:59:37.040 --> 1:59:42.040
<v Speaker 3>Michael Prince was Prince was. Prince took from white people

1:59:42.160 --> 1:59:43.560
<v Speaker 3>like because you know, he had the time.

1:59:43.680 --> 1:59:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Prince put out the time.

1:59:47.200 --> 1:59:48.760
<v Speaker 6>Prince James.

1:59:49.720 --> 1:59:52.840
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Prince Prince, but by that time it was over

1:59:52.960 --> 1:59:56.440
<v Speaker 3>to like by the late eighties, they wasn't quite they

1:59:56.520 --> 1:59:57.600
<v Speaker 3>had already kind of hit.

1:59:57.560 --> 2:00:01.520
<v Speaker 4>Their peak because uh cameo Me was a slow version

2:00:01.560 --> 2:00:05.400
<v Speaker 4>of Rick James when I was growing up.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad

2:00:12.120 --> 2:00:14.160
<v Speaker 1>that you would know better than us, But yeah, I'm

2:00:14.160 --> 2:00:14.680
<v Speaker 1>saying just.

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<v Speaker 4>Look at the stage performance, the clothing, the way that

2:00:17.440 --> 2:00:19.240
<v Speaker 4>they all did things that don't even looked like Rick,

2:00:19.400 --> 2:00:20.080
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>But they was all off that funk. You know what

2:00:21.600 --> 2:00:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. It was a slower version to me. That's

2:00:24.040 --> 2:00:26.440
<v Speaker 1>what Bad didn't have. He didn't have the funk.

2:00:27.000 --> 2:00:27.280
<v Speaker 6>Funk.

2:00:27.800 --> 2:00:30.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Bad was just hella poppy like Dirty Diner. These

2:00:31.000 --> 2:00:36.880
<v Speaker 3>records are really great pop records. Anchor of talking about

2:00:38.200 --> 2:00:41.840
<v Speaker 3>the Lady in My Life thriller, the way he make

2:00:41.960 --> 2:00:46.560
<v Speaker 3>Billy Jem like those thriller that were like black songs.

2:00:51.000 --> 2:00:53.440
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't bad. And that's what I think with that ship.

2:00:53.560 --> 2:00:55.600
<v Speaker 1>That ship had a lot more pop records early on,

2:00:55.800 --> 2:01:00.240
<v Speaker 1>but GM next is like hella, hella, hella lost as

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<v Speaker 1>this black.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me ask you a question, do you think because

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<v Speaker 5>of how a lot of people felt about Big Steppers

2:01:06.800 --> 2:01:08.800
<v Speaker 5>made him go g next, made him come out.

2:01:09.040 --> 2:01:12.520
<v Speaker 1>No, I just think he made him. This guy made

2:01:12.560 --> 2:01:16.640
<v Speaker 1>him do it. It was on It was on glasses.

2:01:18.600 --> 2:01:23.680
<v Speaker 1>It was on glasses right there, like sounds catch the

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<v Speaker 1>black boy.

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<v Speaker 6>I hate the way that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it did sound like to me too. I

2:01:30.280 --> 2:01:32.120
<v Speaker 1>told you big steppers are like a cast scratch of

2:01:32.160 --> 2:01:32.440
<v Speaker 1>the bulls.

2:01:33.680 --> 2:01:35.920
<v Speaker 5>I felt the same way a lot of people felt

2:01:35.920 --> 2:01:37.800
<v Speaker 5>about Big Steppers, a lot of people from you know.

2:01:38.520 --> 2:01:41.720
<v Speaker 3>I think that real and I think, but that's also

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<v Speaker 3>why God is a better artist than I am. Like

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<v Speaker 3>he covers more ground, Like I wouldn't cover that fucking ground,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. I keep that between me

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<v Speaker 3>and my own ship. But doc, will you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like he didn't. Do you think he regret

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<v Speaker 3>covering that ground on that?

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<v Speaker 1>No? No, I don't think he really give a think

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<v Speaker 1>he was when you did covering that?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's like a real artist, bro.

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<v Speaker 3>That is like a much more I'm like a real

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<v Speaker 3>street urban culturist that became an artist.

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<v Speaker 1>That is an artist. He always he was a little nigga,

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<v Speaker 1>but he always was an artist. So it's not about

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<v Speaker 1>the end results. It's about him just putting his music. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how it is for him, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not really about where everybody else like it or

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<v Speaker 3>not that Nigga really be making this ship and figuring

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<v Speaker 3>it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that was more like a like a

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<v Speaker 1>like a self defining album, which one remember it's like

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<v Speaker 1>Marvin mixed up. Yeah, it's like it's like Marvin Gate

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<v Speaker 1>here my Dear or that or that or that Usher album?

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<v Speaker 1>What's that Usher album? It was a really good album.

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<v Speaker 6>It's Divorced about seventeen Confessions seventeen not confessions.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, no, no, no, the one later it was

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<v Speaker 3>it was it was when he got when he broke

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<v Speaker 3>up with the old lady was deep as it was dope.

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<v Speaker 6>But yeah, I forgot the name.

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<v Speaker 3>To me, It's like Big Steppers is like here, my Dear,

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<v Speaker 3>Like you have to be into the artists to really

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<v Speaker 3>care about the records.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that was something for him and his fans.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not truly a fanatic Kendrick, like I'm a I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a friend, I'm a fanatic gn X. I'm not a

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<v Speaker 3>fanatic of Kendrick as like he wouldn't be in my

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<v Speaker 3>favorite artist.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just my nigga. That's dope.

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<v Speaker 3>Was a nigga that I think is all time great,

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<v Speaker 3>but he not in my list of niggas that I'm

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<v Speaker 3>listening to, you know what I mean. Kendrick is all

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<v Speaker 3>time great, but that's not my ship.

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<v Speaker 6>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Gn X is the first dot album that here I

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<v Speaker 3>stand shut out to BV exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That was another one. Life is Good by nas.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the ones where if you're into the artist, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's your album that connects with them.

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like as if as if that that Big

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<v Speaker 6>Stepper was an album where where he gave a voice

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<v Speaker 6>to the voiceless, you know what I'm saying. So it

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<v Speaker 6>was like so the people that that cut and basically

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<v Speaker 6>speak with the city he was saying, like the father

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<v Speaker 6>Time song, the song with the you know what I'm

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<v Speaker 6>saying about his auntie. It was it was given a

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<v Speaker 6>voice right there, but that they didn't have.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not true. That was the biggest conversation in mainstream media.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I didn't like. It felt too pop.

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<v Speaker 6>So now you felt as if I'm going that way

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<v Speaker 6>right there and made people like it's not more light

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<v Speaker 6>on that ship right there, Like it was a given

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<v Speaker 6>the light was.

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<v Speaker 3>Already shining on it. So he kind of brought his

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<v Speaker 3>positioning into it based off what he was going through.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was all these mainstream topics and things like

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<v Speaker 3>at that time, that was a big thing to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about people being you know, what do you call those?

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<v Speaker 1>What pronouns? That's fucked up?

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<v Speaker 6>It's like.

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<v Speaker 1>Pronouns was big at that time. So I felt like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like that album is his most pop album.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that sounds crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you feel like that album was most pop album?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Four fans like that album, yes, So you think they

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<v Speaker 5>came from his previous album? Was like, man, we really

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<v Speaker 5>want to hear him talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think Dot's core fans is like a very

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<v Speaker 1>mainstream person.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think that is relevant what's going on? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he know everything. That motherfucker be watching everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Nigga. You said something about Nigga in the third grade.

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<v Speaker 1>He know what you said. So he knows like he

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<v Speaker 1>knows the mood of the people. It's not the mood

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<v Speaker 1>like he's a really autist. Share that is, he's a

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<v Speaker 1>really great artist, bro, Because.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not just the mood of people with him, like

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<v Speaker 3>he finds himself where people are something I'm just really

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<v Speaker 3>figuring out right now. I just figured out how to

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<v Speaker 3>do it right this prime example, this motherfucker knew how

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<v Speaker 3>to do it pretty much since damn he figured out

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<v Speaker 3>like two things.

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<v Speaker 1>I just figured it out right now. I had a

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<v Speaker 1>recordd way before this motherfucker.

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<v Speaker 3>But he studied and pay attention way more so, like

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<v Speaker 3>he found how to align himself at the time where

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<v Speaker 3>it sat and present a perspective. I didn't figure it

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<v Speaker 3>out till Tupac must dieing Really now, I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I see.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm working on this idea. Were working on this idea.

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<v Speaker 3>You and Trap were working on this idea, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh yeah, we're gonna take all this shit happening and

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<v Speaker 3>put it into the idea. That never used to happen

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<v Speaker 3>to me before, Like it was always my personal journey

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<v Speaker 3>as an artist, as an artist to reflect what was happening.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think God like, like specifically with you know,

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<v Speaker 3>big steppers, it is like, here, my dear, it shout

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<v Speaker 3>out to hymphisms.

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<v Speaker 1>It is kind of depressing to me when I listened

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<v Speaker 1>to it, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>It's very rooted in him. But also remember it's during

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<v Speaker 3>the pandemic. Yes, when this is a big conversation, people

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<v Speaker 3>hurting themselves, Like he knew how to align it. I

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<v Speaker 3>think most of DOTS fans are very like a mainstream

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<v Speaker 3>type of audience versus.

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<v Speaker 1>Like gn X. Even though it's successful, it's not as mainstream.

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<v Speaker 1>The language ain't his mainstream.

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<v Speaker 3>The attitude and his mainstream, but the rec are so

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<v Speaker 3>contagious that they're digestible in a different way.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I saying.

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<v Speaker 4>It seemed like every time he does this, it's like

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<v Speaker 4>it fits the public, with the public scoring three.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is the first time that it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>the hell No, I think this was the public need.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the public needed this to happen. But this

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<v Speaker 1>is the difference.

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<v Speaker 3>See, he was always framing for what they wanted. This

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<v Speaker 3>is the first time it wasn't about them, and I

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<v Speaker 3>could tell it was about where he was at.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was already prepared for this.

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<v Speaker 6>I was about to say that right there, about to

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<v Speaker 6>say a lot of times he means to he means

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<v Speaker 6>the fans and nothing. I'm saying the listeners where they're at.

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<v Speaker 6>And then you'll come here, yeah yeah, come here, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I felt like he dropped this album because he felt

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<v Speaker 5>like he needed to drop this album like.

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<v Speaker 3>He was pumped up. He wasn't even pumped up, like

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<v Speaker 3>he got pumped up like a victory lap.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't because that's not that. That ain't his temperament.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're not like that. You won't talk about the battle,

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<v Speaker 1>we just laugh at it.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you think he cares about the streets think about

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<v Speaker 5>his work? And I kind of felt like the streets

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<v Speaker 5>didn't love big Steppers. It almost like he heard that,

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<v Speaker 5>like I need to put this ship out there.

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<v Speaker 6>I agree with your.

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<v Speaker 3>Coach necessarily ever been his thing. I don't think not

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<v Speaker 3>one of them records that was his thing. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think he really gave a fuck what none of us

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<v Speaker 3>like the streets think. I mean when you start talking

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<v Speaker 3>about streets no, now street urban culture, yes, but not

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<v Speaker 3>the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>This album is.

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<v Speaker 5>But that's what I mean when I say street, streets

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<v Speaker 5>urban culture, but it's different, like this album is really

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<v Speaker 5>for the streets, street urban culture.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the streets.

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<v Speaker 6>This is Yeah. A lot a lot of this album

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<v Speaker 6>came up after that pop out.

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<v Speaker 1>This this is like from my home, just from my home,

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<v Speaker 1>this is where I came from it, but not just that.

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<v Speaker 3>This for every ghetto, Like this is a record where

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<v Speaker 3>he's not trying to tell the ghetto. He's He's like

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<v Speaker 3>this what our mom get down? Versus at first he

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<v Speaker 3>would be trying to be a great example you feel

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<v Speaker 3>me of what it should be. This is like, nigga,

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<v Speaker 3>this is why I'm back, I'm on y'all last.

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<v Speaker 4>Whatever do you think In the beginning he was trying

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<v Speaker 4>to explain itself more than now to other people.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the first thing I told him. When I

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<v Speaker 1>was talking to him, I was like, bro like like

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<v Speaker 1>he was like, man, I had to grow up.

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<v Speaker 5>But this album almost came across like niggas like you were,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, a little disappointed with this album. Was almost

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<v Speaker 5>like niggas like g niggas like that they wasn't really

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<v Speaker 5>feeling that big step of ship.

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<v Speaker 6>Let me.

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<v Speaker 1>But I really like this. I don't think he was

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<v Speaker 1>worried about me the motherfucker doing national tours. But but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think my thoughts followed pears. You hear me,

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<v Speaker 3>But big comes always matter.

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<v Speaker 6>But check the credits. Coach e X the album. Check

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<v Speaker 6>the credits telling.

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<v Speaker 1>This part is like this is him. I'm glad y'all

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<v Speaker 1>got him.

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<v Speaker 3>The other ship is him trying to be a better

2:10:02.840 --> 2:10:05.720
<v Speaker 3>version of himself. You're getting him now, this is the

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<v Speaker 3>nigga that I know. See all that other ship is

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<v Speaker 3>him discovering shit about hisself, trying to be a better person,

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<v Speaker 3>that role model.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey hey, hey, fuck that.

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<v Speaker 5>Cut up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you, I think he dropped up.

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<v Speaker 9>And he was like, I think as an artist, yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>get cracking nigga. As an artist, there's always.

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<v Speaker 5>Like you thought, like, man, I gotta be more me.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe he was like, this is the record I gotta

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<v Speaker 5>be more me.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is something I used to always say, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I felt like y'all needed to meet him, Like, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>so glad Drake did that ship he got, Like the

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<v Speaker 3>world got to meet him. Not the version of him

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<v Speaker 3>that he wants you to meet, that's cool, and you

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<v Speaker 3>got to meet who he is. Fucking with him and see,

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<v Speaker 3>this ship can't be cut. This is uncut, like when

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<v Speaker 3>you make it records, you could cut it down and

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<v Speaker 3>digestible this hands off squabble you mean. And then so

2:11:06.640 --> 2:11:09.280
<v Speaker 3>then the attitude came from that into just him making

2:11:09.400 --> 2:11:13.760
<v Speaker 3>records that fit who he is at this time. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is by far to me, this is his most

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<v Speaker 3>authentic album.

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<v Speaker 5>I would just about that, ask you that before you

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<v Speaker 5>feel like this and it's you know what the crazy

2:11:21.760 --> 2:11:25.360
<v Speaker 5>thing is? That's really crazy to have your most authentic

2:11:25.400 --> 2:11:26.320
<v Speaker 5>album come this late.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but the good Man City way more authentic than

2:11:31.160 --> 2:11:33.800
<v Speaker 3>Good king Man City, way more good kid Mass City

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<v Speaker 3>was more thematic and and.

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<v Speaker 1>Like like I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Present the sophisticated taken to street, urban culture, lifestyle and

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<v Speaker 3>counter like I'm gonna make it artsy. This is like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>nigg here we go yesterday something, give you a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of give you a bunch of music. It hold on yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>He got songs that this was all his records. Gonna

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<v Speaker 3>have a message.

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<v Speaker 5>That album huh on.

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<v Speaker 1>The g next from the as a main message, sucking.

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<v Speaker 6>With cool cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the first.

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<v Speaker 3>Record saying listen, bro, this is by far his greatest

2:12:17.320 --> 2:12:21.360
<v Speaker 3>opening of all. Tell me what's more important. The nigga

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<v Speaker 3>started the song saying this how you started the album yesterday?

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody whacked out my mirror.

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<v Speaker 1>When I heard that first line, I knew he was

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<v Speaker 1>in hours. Turned the radio ship. Okay, yeah, yesterday somebody

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<v Speaker 1>whacked out my mirror. Nigga.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, oh so even though big Steppers had

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<v Speaker 5>me a little concerned when he said that, I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>are you about to be sad about this?

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<v Speaker 1>Or so? When he did continue, I was like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is Kenna that ship.

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<v Speaker 3>I need him to be strong, Like it's okay to

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<v Speaker 3>project masculine energy, not just in a digestible manner, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's okay to be the unpologetic for sure. And they

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<v Speaker 3>gonna love you your most when you were unapologetic, Nigga,

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<v Speaker 3>they gonna love you. Oh you thought they loved that

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<v Speaker 3>version in you that they thought you was cool and

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<v Speaker 3>a nice guy. And you, oh, they don't know you

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<v Speaker 3>a little confident animal. Show them because if everybody see that,

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna have your greatest shit now, people gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>looking at you crazy because they they ain't gonna quite know.

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<v Speaker 1>But Nigga, show them, Nigga, be like you he really

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<v Speaker 1>that nigga? Like, Nigga, you really a nigga fool like

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<v Speaker 1>you get cracking?

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<v Speaker 3>Show them, show them that's what I'm screaming at by

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<v Speaker 3>show them stop playing fuck all that nigga, get to it,

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<v Speaker 3>make this shit happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So this album right here, he was the most comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>with being himself. And that's what he said.

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<v Speaker 5>He tried to grow up, mature, He had the maturity,

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<v Speaker 5>tried to grow up because that's all.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, that's the best thing, bro, Like, that's the

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<v Speaker 3>best thing, like him being unapologetically him. It's nothing wrong

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<v Speaker 3>with the lead with inspiration and ideas and being greater,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's okay also to just beat us.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me ask your question. You as an artist when

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<v Speaker 5>you heard that out gn X, did you did you say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>hold him now?

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<v Speaker 1>First listen. I told Trump, I said this is the

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<v Speaker 1>best album before. But did you did it inspire you

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<v Speaker 1>as artists?

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<v Speaker 4>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I inspired that as an artist, But it's hard

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<v Speaker 3>for somebody in hip hop that inspire me, even adopte

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<v Speaker 3>niggas like Kendrick or jay Z at this point that

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<v Speaker 3>none of them niggas can really inspire me at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>So where do you get inspiration from? Arry White? That's it.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been listening to very White war Ain't no ain't

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<v Speaker 3>in there. Hip hop can inspire me no more. I

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<v Speaker 3>feel that this is past that like I'm I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 3>at the core black music, like now I'm at the

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<v Speaker 3>hardest shoal of it, Like I'm playing all kinds of

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<v Speaker 3>fly shit. I'm playing nigga, I'm playing Stevie Wonder nigga,

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<v Speaker 3>like for real. And I'm like, and I don't make

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<v Speaker 3>a rap song that's like this, That's like I came

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<v Speaker 3>up with idea for a song that was like, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>I was made to love you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nothing, nothing like that, but it's like that.

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<v Speaker 5>So do you feel like your next album you drop

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<v Speaker 5>is gonna be soft food?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know if I'm gonna do an album.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know if I question something. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>But I tell you one thing. The next song I'm

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<v Speaker 3>about to drop, I just got it mixed. That motherfucker

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<v Speaker 3>or you feel me?

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<v Speaker 6>And it ain't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't can't nobody tell me nothing about hip hop

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<v Speaker 3>no more like you know what I mean? Like I

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<v Speaker 3>love it too much. I'm realizing most people don't love

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<v Speaker 3>it enough to be talking to me about it, And

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea. They don't have no business talking

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<v Speaker 3>to me about this. They don't love this shit like me.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't talk to me about it. If you it's like

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<v Speaker 3>a nigga that don't really love it. Like nigga, you

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<v Speaker 3>can't talk to me because you want you don't. You

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<v Speaker 3>ain't finna go through what I'm finna go through to

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<v Speaker 3>do it. Nigga, I'm making signs for videos, pickets, signs

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<v Speaker 3>like I love it. It ain't about no money, it

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<v Speaker 3>ain't about none of that.

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<v Speaker 5>But this will love.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to develop though, right, Yeah, I didn't love

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<v Speaker 3>it at first. I didn't know nothing about it, but

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<v Speaker 3>now that I do, like, I'm gonna keep looking. So

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<v Speaker 3>all you can do is tell me where to go.

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<v Speaker 3>But really there's no more space for hip hop to

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<v Speaker 3>truly inspire me.

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<v Speaker 5>So so so what you're saying all this your best

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<v Speaker 5>music is to come.

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<v Speaker 1>You think your music is in front of you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, because even the shit that you I've heard from

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<v Speaker 5>you that's coming out and all the other ship, this

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<v Speaker 5>shit is like by yo and yo shit is dope

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<v Speaker 5>to me. Look all your ship, but this shit is on.

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<v Speaker 3>Some now because now it's like if you listening to

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<v Speaker 3>very white bro, if you listening to real like black

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<v Speaker 3>music at this court, Marvin Gay, I'm I'm just off

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<v Speaker 3>of like some shit for me.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like like it's the only greatness that could

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<v Speaker 1>fuck with it, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 6>Like it's.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm past rappers, not like better or worse than I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm past rappers being inspiration. Like I don't even see

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<v Speaker 3>them as something to emulate anymore. I'm emulating Marvin Gay

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<v Speaker 3>as a rapper, like just like my predecessors, Just like

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<v Speaker 3>the original guys when they didn't have rap to look to,

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<v Speaker 3>they had to be you know what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 3>they had a limited amount of rap, like I would

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<v Speaker 3>imagine Scarface, you know, could see a lot more Gil Scott,

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<v Speaker 3>Jill Scott hearing than run dmc.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 5>Earlier on in the conversation, somebody asked, who would this

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<v Speaker 5>guy be in hip hop? Like we were doing R

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<v Speaker 5>and B and they were like, who this gotta be

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<v Speaker 5>in hip hop? Forgot the name they were using. Do

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<v Speaker 5>you feel like at this point in time, you you

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<v Speaker 5>the burier right of hip because it's.

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<v Speaker 3>The only thing that makes sense. Nothing else great enough,

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<v Speaker 3>even the niggas that's great, like dog in Them and

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<v Speaker 3>Whole and Face, the guys I love Kanye, that's not

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<v Speaker 3>great enough. Like this is not no more where you

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<v Speaker 3>put Ken Kendrick. If he was, he's probably in them conversations.

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<v Speaker 3>For sure, he's in the conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>Who would he be that that name? Oh, he'd be

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<v Speaker 1>the the al Green with Who would he be right now?

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<v Speaker 1>If I had to pick an act.

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<v Speaker 3>In comedy, he'd be Daz Japel mhmm, right to me,

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<v Speaker 3>Like he just got it pegged down and in R

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<v Speaker 3>and B music or music outside of hip hop.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably Marvin Gay.

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<v Speaker 5>You think, so, Yeah, Yeah, it's funny because that's who

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<v Speaker 5>I envisioned him.

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<v Speaker 3>When I hear him, it is probably like Marvin Gay,

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<v Speaker 3>like you know what I mean, Like I think early

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<v Speaker 3>Marvin Gay sacrifice a lot of stuff to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>people understood what he was doing. But I think when

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<v Speaker 3>he caught his stride, it was like and he was

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<v Speaker 3>always successful. You know, he was making hit records. He

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<v Speaker 3>hadn't hit records.

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<v Speaker 1>He was popping.

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<v Speaker 3>But he reminds me of Marvin Gay, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean. Like he's like he like he found this

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<v Speaker 3>level of soul at a time when it was really needed.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't manufactured like like this like this is legit,

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<v Speaker 3>like this ain't even like other like people saying he

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<v Speaker 3>just went West Coast. Like even the musicianship of adding

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<v Speaker 3>basis like a lot of music is just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>not muster muster, get busy, but a lot of other

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<v Speaker 3>West Coast music it's kind of eight a ways and melodies.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't really use the base or that frequency anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Like and for him to kind of go put that

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<v Speaker 3>frequency in all that music, like it's like Marvin Gay

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<v Speaker 3>to me, you know what I mean, Like like he

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<v Speaker 3>like he been successful the whole time, Like Marvin Gay

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<v Speaker 3>was successful, we had records. But man, towards the end

2:19:28.520 --> 2:19:30.840
<v Speaker 3>of his career, you really could see this China wind

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<v Speaker 3>of unapologetic nigga that was like hell of dope. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think with Dot, you know, even if this is

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<v Speaker 3>the last album, I think we got like the most

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<v Speaker 3>unapologetic nigga in the world, and we got a nigga

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<v Speaker 3>when the world needed a nigga too.

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<v Speaker 1>But why are you okay last album? You think it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be his last album? I don't know, shit, it depends.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he needs to be motivated to create.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think he like this ain't the business, Like

2:19:53.520 --> 2:19:55.800
<v Speaker 3>he makes business out of music, but that ain't his business,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I think his business is raising his kids and

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<v Speaker 3>living his life.

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<v Speaker 1>He made enough money to be fund you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>He's straight, so it'll be hard for him to motivate

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<v Speaker 3>himself for money, you know what I mean, or just

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<v Speaker 3>to put out another album, like he would have to

2:20:08.440 --> 2:20:10.720
<v Speaker 3>have like a story that he wants to tell. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't know, you know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what motivated him at this point. How do you get

2:20:16.520 --> 2:20:20.320
<v Speaker 3>motivated after this? Usually people get motivated after this because

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<v Speaker 3>of money, But like now, you you already made money.

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<v Speaker 1>You already had a national tour for me this.

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<v Speaker 3>You have multiple national arena tours, You have multiple number

2:20:29.520 --> 2:20:33.400
<v Speaker 3>ones before this, and now you finally just hit the pinnacle. Like, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you just super Bowl five games for one song, give

2:20:36.440 --> 2:20:39.440
<v Speaker 3>me arena tour? Like what motivates you after this to

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<v Speaker 3>kind of really make music? Like you you're finna spend

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of time away from your family, right, You're

2:20:44.840 --> 2:20:46.480
<v Speaker 3>finna be on this role. He already spent a lot

2:20:46.480 --> 2:20:49.200
<v Speaker 3>of time away from his family now, so it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they don't want to raise his kids and

2:20:50.879 --> 2:20:52.360
<v Speaker 3>all of that that shit mattered to him.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I do want to say this about uh our

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<v Speaker 5>Mount rush Moore, the no feelings around Mount Rushmore. I think,

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<v Speaker 5>I honestly think it might be the best route Mount

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<v Speaker 5>worsh Moore that could be put put together. They think

2:21:10.520 --> 2:21:12.200
<v Speaker 5>it's gonna be the best. I'm interested to see other

2:21:12.240 --> 2:21:14.160
<v Speaker 5>people my mind worsh More, but I don't think it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna be better than ours. I think that what you say,

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<v Speaker 1>we got the best one, I think we got the

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<v Speaker 1>best one.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm really I want to see others, but I think

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<v Speaker 5>that I think those are the two best Mount rush.

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<v Speaker 1>More for the male female for sure, male female male.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel yeah, I feel like it's like both of

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<v Speaker 1>the other best.

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<v Speaker 5>Those are the best Mounts Rushmore.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout out to the diamond Back Photography to Homy, what's up, Brodie,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you for the two dollars. What's your rating for

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<v Speaker 3>Maya vocally? I have already heard enough of mine singing.

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<v Speaker 3>Immediately the six come to mind, but she's probably better.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think you're six? Maya vocally? Yeah, I

2:21:50.000 --> 2:21:52.240
<v Speaker 1>haven't heard enough of her singing, but because of y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>like I heard, it makes me think of a six seven? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>six seven is fair?

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<v Speaker 3>Theyself love thank you for the two dollars. Play take

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<v Speaker 3>him on the deep dive of Brandy.

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<v Speaker 1>I got you all a copella too. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>no fucking music. I'm gonna shave you. Yeah, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>shave the ropes. Bro.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you Diamond Back Photograpy for that five dollars. The

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<v Speaker 3>instrumental that John Mure is a masterpiece. Sound Way made

2:22:16.800 --> 2:22:19.880
<v Speaker 3>that beat with Cocoa Leve's I'm Crying They'll Find example

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<v Speaker 3>was beautifully crafty.

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<v Speaker 1>Nigga.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember sound Wave was whack, so I hit South

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<v Speaker 3>Wave on the DM. I was like, man, I'm so

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<v Speaker 3>proud of you.

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<v Speaker 6>Bro.

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<v Speaker 3>He got so dope, man, Him and Ali, them niggas

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<v Speaker 3>got hello dope. That's young and devoted. They've been devoted,

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<v Speaker 3>so all the best things should happen to them. Man,

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<v Speaker 3>they hello dope. Shout out to Nick, thank you for

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<v Speaker 3>that five dollars. Shout out to g and the lunch

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<v Speaker 3>table east side that port yep wes. Shout out to

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<v Speaker 3>Mow they self love for the two dollars. No, mister

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<v Speaker 3>Morale slander I just slander it. I just said it

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<v Speaker 3>sounded like cash scratching paper.

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<v Speaker 6>That what's that? What's that?

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<v Speaker 5>He's saying that he don't get I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 5>that bad. He thinks if he's telling the truth to himself,

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<v Speaker 5>if it's a glasses fact, it means.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it really slander, super stretching. It wasn't like a

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<v Speaker 1>pain when y'all listen to the album, Like we argue

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<v Speaker 1>with the lady on that solid.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not my favorite, the cards trap off that you

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<v Speaker 3>dirty ass bitch, you punk ass, that's your I.

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<v Speaker 6>Said, only had to hear it one time and recognize

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<v Speaker 6>how great it was. Trap.

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<v Speaker 5>You listened to it one time because there was nothing

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<v Speaker 5>else play backable, Like you didn't want to listen.

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<v Speaker 1>That ship hurt that ship like I listen to it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the thing about Doc, Like I listened to all

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<v Speaker 3>the albums at least a couple of times straight through,

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<v Speaker 3>right because he that type of artist. Damn was my

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<v Speaker 3>Damn was my Probably the it was the second or

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<v Speaker 3>third best one section eighty was up there see your

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<v Speaker 3>next by far as just the ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I knew I wasn't gonna like big steppers when.

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<v Speaker 3>See and that's weird to me. Shout out to Moses.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, we cried together. It's fire, just fire, wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be the thing I would describe to speak on that song.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, like fire Bro, I didnt know.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't gonna like the big Steppers when too many

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<v Speaker 1>young kids like that, like I'm more depressed, motherfucker. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>too many Step and six on me.

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<v Speaker 6>You heard father niggas.

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<v Speaker 3>You gotta appreciate his range as an artist. I do

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate as an artistry as an artist. I'm a huge

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<v Speaker 3>Kanye West fan.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me ask you six six and Trap yeap, what's

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<v Speaker 5>better Big Steppers or g next to y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>They're completely different albums for different albums, but one is

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<v Speaker 1>better than others to y'all.

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<v Speaker 9>It's literally just completely It's like comparing the Power Forward

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<v Speaker 9>to a point Guard shout.

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<v Speaker 3>Out to and I'm listening to that motherfucker. Now, gee,

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<v Speaker 3>you listen to this nigga argue with this lady on

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<v Speaker 3>this song in the middle of this. You a sick nigga, Bro.

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<v Speaker 6>You just like you.

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<v Speaker 9>I'll admit the argument part is a little much, but

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<v Speaker 9>that that I can't pick that one moment and judged

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<v Speaker 9>the whole album for that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the whole album is sad. Yeah, But I mean

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<v Speaker 1>some people are said I understand.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's why I said it sound like the pain

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<v Speaker 3>of cat scratching papers like shout out to thank You

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<v Speaker 3>for Do Dollars, my favorite album still in rotation all day.

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<v Speaker 6>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I played that ship two or three times. That was it, Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, I hate to say it being from Watts,

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<v Speaker 1>but I like J Cole over K DO. That's not crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>Actually not crazy. That's not crazy.

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<v Speaker 6>Go ahead and they I think that.

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<v Speaker 1>Out there. I see y'all Friday, man.

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<v Speaker 3>But looking out for tuning into the Note Sellers podcast.

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