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Speaker 1: Yeah. Who else from Seattle?
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Speaker 5: Seattle for sure.
Speaker 1: From the NBA, Bradley Beal from Tacoma.
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Speaker 1: You know, but Isaiah Thomas from Yeah, he's from Seattle.
Speaker 1: T I t Yeah, from Seattle, Washington.
Speaker 6: What saying? How many sports players come from up there?
Speaker 1: Man, they got mc breed, I mean know, they got
Speaker 1: to mix a lot. Well, yeah, it's about sports. He
Speaker 1: was talking about sports people. King is from Brandon Roy,
Speaker 1: He from Washington. Brandon Roy Brennon Roy from Seattle.
Speaker 6: Seattle, Yeah, from Seattle.
Speaker 5: Brandon Roy might have been the might have been the
Speaker 5: best hooper from Seattle. Nah, who better than Brandon Roy?
Speaker 6: Nate Robinson Robinson saying better than I'm not saying better
Speaker 6: than Brandon Roy though, Nate Robinson Trump, Nate Robinson isn't
Speaker 6: he from up there?
Speaker 5: He's not better than Brandon Roy.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: From Seattle, like Brandon Roy and his prime before he
Speaker 1: got in jured? Nice?
Speaker 6: Crazy? What's good? Joah?
Speaker 1: What's happening?
Speaker 6: I'm not trying cooling man and ready for the Ready
Speaker 6: for the ready?
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's time we doubled back. You
Speaker 1: feel me?
Speaker 3: And this conversation became bigger than we wanted it to be,
Speaker 3: so I figured like you might as well expound on
Speaker 3: it because we wasn't even really tripping off of the
Speaker 3: conversation of R and B, but it spawned a whole
Speaker 3: other conversation where somebody did the Mount Rushmore. I was like, damn,
Speaker 3: didn't really work.
Speaker 6: Great.
Speaker 1: What's the crack hea for Mount Rushmore? That's a great question. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do the Mount Rushmore. How'll we
Speaker 1: double him back.
Speaker 3: Well, I just want to expand further on the conversation
Speaker 3: because I wouldn't have Mike in R and B, okay.
Speaker 5: Because I want to ask you about that, because when
Speaker 5: people ask me about this shit, they was like, so,
Speaker 5: what what's the crack here for R and B? And
Speaker 5: what's so is Mike R and B? Because I know
Speaker 5: you say he's pop, but he.
Speaker 1: Makes pop music a lot, but he does have R
Speaker 1: and B songs in the earlier stages of his career.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I would say that because
Speaker 1: Jackson five is pop? How do we categorize pop though?
Speaker 6: That's not what we do.
Speaker 3: You're making popular when the goal is to make popular, Okay.
Speaker 3: So R and B initially was considered race music, right,
Speaker 3: That's what they called it race music because at one
Speaker 3: time black people were considered people of race, right, and
Speaker 3: white people con themselves of race just them and it
Speaker 3: is everybody else but in us, right, So that like
Speaker 3: when Wexler made the term R and B, you feel me,
Speaker 3: that was a term coin So it was considered black
Speaker 3: music R and B. So anybody black making music, I
Speaker 3: guess some degree you could say that that's some level
Speaker 3: of R and B, like funk would have to be
Speaker 3: a descendant of R and B.
Speaker 1: I don't think people understand what R and B means,
Speaker 1: So can you explain that rhythm and blues? Okay?
Speaker 3: Right, So it's like but Lewis Jordan right as being
Speaker 3: one of the early founders of it, right, this is
Speaker 3: in the forties, but it went through different stages right
Speaker 3: in sub genres. Right, so is a derivative of R
Speaker 3: and B. So I guess it all is. But pop
Speaker 3: music probably could be a derivative of soul, right. Ray
Speaker 3: Charles is probably the father of modern modern pop music.
Speaker 3: But I just I wouldn't have thought that deep, So
Speaker 3: I'm not mad at it. I do think pop music
Speaker 3: is black music that white people make.
Speaker 7: Almost wow search stature popularity, no, no, no, And I
Speaker 7: think that's just so so when you don't make music,
Speaker 7: that's how it feels.
Speaker 3: It's like whatever goes popular becomes pop music. But some
Speaker 3: music was actually created to be popular for the mast
Speaker 3: from the beginning, like.
Speaker 4: For everybody, like not just one sector of people, for everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like like like like Kentucky Fried Chicken was
Speaker 3: like soul food for everybody. But I do think Michael
Speaker 3: Jackson has R and B songs, but I wouldn't consider
Speaker 3: that part of his catalog to be like one of
Speaker 3: the greatest R and B catalogs of all time.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, what at.
Speaker 5: A certain point in his career, what was what could
Speaker 5: be considered R and B after because everything he's don't
Speaker 5: put out was popular music everything.
Speaker 1: No, it's different, like because remember the time, right, that's
Speaker 1: R and B. That's a new.
Speaker 6: RBN.
Speaker 1: But songs like Thriller that's kind of pop, right, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a play.
Speaker 6: Beat it so is Lady of My Life? What is
Speaker 6: what is Lady of my Life?
Speaker 1: Lady my Life?
Speaker 5: Is r B?
Speaker 1: For sure?
Speaker 3: Yeah, lady, that's who you used that? Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: r B like he does have. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 3: just so, it's just so weird. Thing is pop derived
Speaker 3: from funk? Is that the closest connection you could because you.
Speaker 1: Said, no, I think pop the rash from soul?
Speaker 3: Okay, so so music, Ray Charles wouldn't be R and
Speaker 3: B the rib from So No, R and B is
Speaker 3: the father of soul. R and B is before, So
Speaker 3: R and B is before R and B is the
Speaker 3: father of So what.
Speaker 5: Would you consider uh uh.
Speaker 1: Little Richard. See, I would have thought he was rock
Speaker 1: and roll, rock, rock rock.
Speaker 6: Little Richard is rock because rock rock was rock was
Speaker 6: like like we we think of rock as being the
Speaker 6: rock wasn't to do it. It was a groove was growing.
Speaker 3: All of these things are really small, nuanced things that
Speaker 3: make it different. But I just wouldn't have thought of
Speaker 3: Mike as a as a great art like, well, forgive me,
Speaker 3: that's not the right time, because he's a great R
Speaker 3: B when he has R and B songs. But it's
Speaker 3: so many dope ass people that have a bigger and
Speaker 3: better R and B catalog of music than Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: It's not not so many neither that was off the
Speaker 1: wall was off the wall R and B album Now
Speaker 1: it's post disco like disco.
Speaker 3: It did R and B songs, So but there are talents, right,
Speaker 3: and that's why we gotta really look at the eighties
Speaker 3: and the nineties. I respect why even that Dude's list
Speaker 3: had that era, because really R and B didn't become
Speaker 3: R and B the way we know it as far
Speaker 3: as really pure R and B until the late eighties.
Speaker 1: I wonder who they say put out the first R
Speaker 1: and B album, It's gonna be somebody in the forties,
Speaker 1: like Louis Jordan is talking about, Like, Okay, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about the eighties.
Speaker 5: Though.
Speaker 1: In the eighties when you think it was really blossoming
Speaker 1: to the R and B we think of.
Speaker 3: Now they consider the first R and B superstar, Bobby Brown,
Speaker 3: don't be cruel.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of widely considered thought, at least amongst people.
Speaker 1: I talked to that fuck with R and B and
Speaker 1: he still had rhythm and blues feel to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is shout out to New York Hallum. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Teddy Riley mm hmm. That's why
Speaker 3: I put so much emphasis probably on That's why I
Speaker 3: put so much emphasis probably on like, uh, the Key
Speaker 3: Sweat Record, the Key Sweat Album.
Speaker 1: Uh, what's the time I'm thinking about the traps?
Speaker 6: Damn.
Speaker 3: It's like see, So while my favorite R and B
Speaker 3: album is probably like like, uh, Unpredictable by Jamie Fox,
Speaker 3: I think the greatest.
Speaker 6: That is so crazy.
Speaker 5: Crazy trap that was crazy when he told me that,
Speaker 5: when he told me that too.
Speaker 3: And don't get wrong, because it's not because you don't
Speaker 3: have to be the artist like it's not. Jamie Fox
Speaker 3: is more than a qualified artist and sing really well,
Speaker 3: he can execute well. He's not bad. He's like a
Speaker 3: top tier talent. But that album just is my favorite,
Speaker 3: and I wouldn't argue it for being the greatest. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying it's one of the GUFA. I'm telling you
Speaker 3: what y'all think. This is objective, right, and it's my
Speaker 3: favorite in the jam that's not that's a great album.
Speaker 1: This is.
Speaker 3: It goes to that conversation where like when we say,
Speaker 3: what's the better album bad or Bad or make it
Speaker 3: last favor? And I can tell y'all bet Bad is
Speaker 3: a better album than Make It Last fact it is.
Speaker 3: Right now, that sounds crazy because Bad is obviously Michael Jackson.
Speaker 3: It don't mean Keith Sweat is a more successful artist
Speaker 3: than Michael Jackson or a greater artist or a better artist.
Speaker 5: But it just means, like how you put it up
Speaker 5: for TC, put a number on Bad as a as
Speaker 5: a as a record as.
Speaker 3: The bad single is whack. Okay, so the single bad
Speaker 3: is whack or it's not bad bad, it is horrible,
Speaker 3: But I cannot.
Speaker 6: They shot that video inside of a New York City train.
Speaker 6: My mother work that my mother worked the train clerk that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that.
Speaker 5: I can't believe I'm saying this, But I grew with
Speaker 5: glasses man. But that was not good.
Speaker 1: That is whack.
Speaker 3: The single was whack speed I agree to. I don't
Speaker 3: like that song like that Demon is whack.
Speaker 1: I disagree, you know, I just so it was great
Speaker 1: when I was a little kid.
Speaker 3: When I was a little kid and and that movie
Speaker 3: came out and he was racing against that little animated rabbit.
Speaker 3: That was like the greatest thing in the world to me.
Speaker 3: But as I get older and I'm listening, what what
Speaker 3: the fuck is this?
Speaker 6: Tripping boss?
Speaker 1: Boss?
Speaker 6: They tripping boss? I knew.
Speaker 1: I knew that video was like as a kid, like
Speaker 1: the video.
Speaker 5: Was amazing, them getting together and circling each other and
Speaker 5: snapping their fingers.
Speaker 6: No, no, I got New York City train shut the
Speaker 6: train station down. Had had had some of the best
Speaker 6: dances in the video, like got Crazy Dan was an
Speaker 6: amazing video.
Speaker 5: Growing up in Inglewood, I'm watching this video and I'm like,
Speaker 5: you understand that, Yeah, I say, maybe, what is it
Speaker 5: to understand?
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. I didn't get it.
Speaker 6: Hold on when you you telling me when you came
Speaker 6: to New York, you're on the train. Didn't think first
Speaker 6: thing he thought it was the.
Speaker 3: Bad Hell No, I had to think about before I thought.
Speaker 3: I never until you just said that, I was like,
Speaker 3: oh man, I never even thought that.
Speaker 6: That was That was J Street bro or train station
Speaker 6: in New York.
Speaker 3: No bad ship I saw on train stations from hip hop.
Speaker 3: I would have never in my life thought of Bad.
Speaker 6: That was an amazing video. That was an amazing video.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm not mad, I think look I think Bad.
Speaker 3: I think Make It Last for Ever is a better
Speaker 3: album and a more important album than Bad. For a
Speaker 3: better album period, just music, sheer music. I agree with you,
Speaker 3: but again, I mean that ain't to say, but Make
Speaker 3: It Last Ever is probably one of the greatest R
Speaker 3: and B albums ever, right, I mean it launched the
Speaker 3: genre and launched the movement.
Speaker 1: It launched a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean Michael Jackson thought Bad was so good he
Speaker 3: went and got the producer of Maga Last Ever to do.
Speaker 1: His next album. So Michael Jackson agreed with me.
Speaker 3: Shout out to the lunch table that think I'm not
Speaker 3: being fair, But Michael Jackson agreed he was like, I'm
Speaker 3: not messing with Quincy no more.
Speaker 1: I'm going to Teddy Riley. That's a fact. He was
Speaker 1: good for that. That's not a glasses fact. That's a fact.
Speaker 3: He did that so that he saw that Keith Sweat,
Speaker 3: he saw that Bobby Brown. He was like, I'm going
Speaker 3: to get one of them. What we was doing is
Speaker 3: a thing of the past.
Speaker 1: Let's go do this.
Speaker 3: That's how much he thought Bad and Make It Last
Speaker 3: Ever came out close to each other. He saw Bad
Speaker 3: whooping his ass. Black people wasn't fucking with Bad. He
Speaker 3: saw make It Last Forever whooping his ass. Because Megan
Speaker 3: Last Forever is better than Bad. I've been saying this
Speaker 3: for years people. The fact that people even marking Crazy.
Speaker 3: I don't think you as a song the album.
Speaker 6: It's an album.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm not rolling. He check out. Now you're
Speaker 1: saying the song for.
Speaker 6: Two years about this man and girl, it's better than
Speaker 6: any song gonna make It Last Forever.
Speaker 5: I'm not rolling.
Speaker 6: Not Bery and Girl. Nigga's volunten song of the album,
Speaker 6: I want Her.
Speaker 1: It's better than every song on Bad. Yeah, man, I
Speaker 1: have to agree that I want Her. It's better than
Speaker 1: every last song.
Speaker 6: On Bad Bad.
Speaker 1: That's overrated guys very much.
Speaker 6: So are you saying you're saying Bad is the best
Speaker 6: R and B album of all time?
Speaker 1: No, not Bad Bad.
Speaker 6: Bad, I mean I mean make a last feather. No,
Speaker 6: that's that's his Confession A better Confessions. I forgot? Is
Speaker 6: it better Confessions?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no it's not better. No it's not.
Speaker 3: But I prefer Unpredictable over Confessions. Even though Confessions is
Speaker 3: a greater album. Does that make sense? Yeah, like it's
Speaker 3: obvious that.
Speaker 1: Album. But you know again we're talking about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, because I feel like, uh, off the Wall
Speaker 5: a better album than Thriller, But I think Thriller is
Speaker 5: the greater album.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and that's what we talk about. The quant
Speaker 1: to find greatness. I ain't mad at that.
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Speaker 3: I think R Kelly and Us should really have a
Speaker 3: claim to be on there.
Speaker 1: They really do.
Speaker 3: Like R Kelly easily could be there all time, Like
Speaker 3: that wouldn't even be crazy, Like I wouldn't even debate
Speaker 3: someone saying that.
Speaker 1: R Kelly is the Grads R and B actor. It's
Speaker 1: R Kelly like he's a monster. Can I ask you
Speaker 1: a question, though?
Speaker 5: Do we sleep on babyface when we start talking about
Speaker 5: this R and B?
Speaker 1: My first one because we talk about artists are the
Speaker 1: only artist his pets and he's a nice R and
Speaker 1: B artist talking about artist, and yeah, I get him.
Speaker 3: R Kelly and Usher really has a claim to probably
Speaker 3: be the greatest R and B act. But my issue
Speaker 3: is Michael Jackson's claim is not stronger than Stevie Wonder's claim.
Speaker 5: If we talking about artists, if we just straight up artistry, Yeah,
Speaker 5: then Michael Jackson's claim is stronger than Stevie.
Speaker 9: I don't know, man, because I think how Stevie Wonder
Speaker 9: wrote and produced for Michael Jackson too. But we said
Speaker 9: what we're talking, we saying this artist though, I'm saying
Speaker 9: that Michael Jackson's artistry baby Face back in the conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Chris Brown on that list, Michael Jackson. I'm
Speaker 3: not quite sure as far as just pure R and B.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying not pure R and B like you know,
Speaker 3: and again like we can kind of say pop is
Speaker 3: a is a subgenre of R and B because it's
Speaker 3: a sub genre of soul. But I probably would like
Speaker 3: it's hard for me not to imagine the world without
Speaker 3: songs in the Key of Life.
Speaker 6: That's my favorite album of all time right there.
Speaker 3: That's really tough, Like that's the that's kind of the
Speaker 3: jit Like that's R and B and soul like kind
Speaker 3: of the pinnacle, you know what I mean, somebody really
Speaker 3: using black music.
Speaker 1: So when does R and B change? I think R
Speaker 1: and B the way we see it is really in
Speaker 1: the eighties. Okay, that's what you were saying, coach.
Speaker 3: Because I think we look at a lot of other
Speaker 3: stuff before as all of the the originals were kind
Speaker 3: of fixing every like they were kind of starting to
Speaker 3: experiment with everything.
Speaker 1: So what changed in R and B in the eighties?
Speaker 1: It just got pure.
Speaker 3: I think they changed it to contemporary army where it
Speaker 3: started kind of being obviously just that.
Speaker 6: They say.
Speaker 5: Ratchet this to R and B two though, Like I
Speaker 5: think it kind of made R and B a little
Speaker 5: more edgy in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a little more edgy.
Speaker 3: So I'm not upset at that, but I just couldn't
Speaker 3: imagine the world without Stevie Wonders songs in the kid life.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the most important.
Speaker 3: And if that's the case, then we are we If
Speaker 3: we putting Michael Jackson in there, then we have to
Speaker 3: put prints in it. So we're gonna put them all
Speaker 3: in there. It's gonna be really tough for.
Speaker 1: Chris Brown.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, it's really tough for Chris Brown, and it's
Speaker 3: really gonna start being tough for us. You're and R Kelly,
Speaker 3: because now if you're just gonna take all of this
Speaker 3: black music, you know that came from R and B,
Speaker 3: and you gotta put Prince now do R Kelly got
Speaker 3: an album as great as let's say, Purple Rain, Probably not.
Speaker 1: That's who R Kelly.
Speaker 6: Probably that Double.
Speaker 5: Purple, that Double us City called the game Trap was
Speaker 5: all right, it was called all he thought he got
Speaker 5: another one. I thought it was.
Speaker 6: All one that was rending black, the one that was
Speaker 6: read in black, the double CD joint. Everything about twelve
Speaker 6: play two.
Speaker 5: Because I know he got one with like thirty thirty
Speaker 5: songs on it, and the only problem a bunch of
Speaker 5: great songs on there. Well, in thirty songs, you're going
Speaker 5: to have about six or seven of them that we're
Speaker 5: just and I think that Purple Rain, Man the Rain
Speaker 5: was a great album.
Speaker 3: So what I'm saying, so this becomes my problem, right, It's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: if we're not gonna try to do pure R and
Speaker 3: B and it just becomes R and B and all
Speaker 3: sub genres, you're gonna have a fight. It's gonna be
Speaker 3: some records in there that probably ain't even just black
Speaker 3: artists exactly.
Speaker 1: Oh that's crazy. I was gonna ask that question.
Speaker 5: Was known as race at first, that take white people
Speaker 5: out of the conversation altogether.
Speaker 1: I think it brought race. I think it brought white
Speaker 1: people into the conversation when they changed it to R
Speaker 1: and B so you could throw. Have you ever heard
Speaker 1: of an artist named John Billion? Of course, that's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite artists.
Speaker 5: Bro Okay, I love John Billions.
Speaker 3: I really don't like the only white singers I like.
Speaker 3: I can't say that. I don't really consider most white
Speaker 3: people really good singers. I think people sing really good
Speaker 3: for white people. I think if you listen to have
Speaker 3: like like Tina Marie Sings is Cold, Hall of Notes,
Speaker 3: Darryl Hall, some of these dudes, like, it's some that
Speaker 3: really get cracking. But I just saint Finnish, like Mariah Carey.
Speaker 3: That's out forgive me, Bobby can't. I've got a couple
Speaker 3: of songs Bob in there. Bob got that tone. But
Speaker 3: like that's my point. So Michael McDonald, yep, yep, Michael,
Speaker 3: see like you have to start putting Michael McDonald, dude, brother, you.
Speaker 1: Start talking some shit gonna get crazy.
Speaker 5: I don't think we go all the way back, like
Speaker 5: you said, you might have to start with in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Start at the eighties.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Mark Gear, Shout out to everybody at
Speaker 3: the lunch table, everybody cooking early, because is like, oh,
Speaker 3: were on this conversation.
Speaker 1: I knew this conversation is gonna be crazy. Softie, what's up?
Speaker 6: Eight?
Speaker 1: And age fast? Boss? What's up? Rough Squish? Thank you
Speaker 1: for being here? V what's the deal? Bro?
Speaker 3: Joey Westside, thank you for moderating, Santy Squisch Lext what's
Speaker 3: ut up next?
Speaker 1: I expect you to call in on this conversation. Boss.
Speaker 3: I know I'm gonna piss you off a little bit,
Speaker 3: but just work with me. Yato name, what's happening? Cool,
Speaker 3: what's the deal? We're gonna get to it. Let me
Speaker 3: get going because there's a lot of people cooking at
Speaker 3: the table, so I can't go through all the names.
Speaker 3: Thank y'all for being here because we're trying to work
Speaker 3: it out. Trying to work it out. No, I think
Speaker 3: Mariah is a great singer for like a white person.
Speaker 6: Shit ladies, man, come on.
Speaker 1: You no, like you know what I mean? No, she's
Speaker 1: the no So I see what you are.
Speaker 6: Ryan can't saying I never see highlight that comment.
Speaker 1: Ro can't. Nobody here said I did not.
Speaker 6: See you said Brandy can't tell? You said Brandy can't
Speaker 6: The other day I did not say Brandy the minus
Speaker 6: well the might as well said that. You might as
Speaker 6: well said that.
Speaker 3: No, I did not say. Brandy said she was a seventh.
Speaker 3: You said she was assessing and she was an eight.
Speaker 6: Same thing, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: It's Wheeney Houston and Many Rippleton is tens.
Speaker 5: Okay, so that's cap So when Winnie Howston is a ten,
Speaker 5: what's cap Miny Rippleton is like a seven?
Speaker 6: No no, no, no, no no, no, coach, coach, coach.
Speaker 1: I know you don't know that, but I had to
Speaker 1: go back. I had to go back and listen to
Speaker 1: many like you talking about a ten. She's not what
Speaker 1: is wrong with your ears?
Speaker 5: I'm talking about vocally, she's not a ten like she
Speaker 5: had a great song.
Speaker 6: Let let's let him cook for let him cook for
Speaker 6: a while.
Speaker 5: Women, six six mini Rippleton vocally is a ten ripper ripper.
Speaker 1: Ten is attend to you?
Speaker 5: What vocally?
Speaker 1: Finish your thought? And then I'll expound.
Speaker 9: No, I'm I'm asking, yeah, yeah, yeah, anywhere it's crazy.
Speaker 1: So, women, what song?
Speaker 6: What song? Was she?
Speaker 1: Vocally? So great on.
Speaker 5: That last He Got He Got Touched the memory? Just
Speaker 5: play loving You, I do play. It's one of her
Speaker 5: best songs. And what are ya getting from that? To
Speaker 5: where she's a ten vocally she.
Speaker 1: Had a whistlebody else and music that she had a whistle. Nothing, nobody,
Speaker 1: nobody else in music can do it. I knew it.
Speaker 1: I knew that what y'all thinking all the way Mariah
Speaker 1: carry and in that case the Malaya's for sure.
Speaker 3: But Maria is not Many. That's the problem with your
Speaker 3: This is like me watching basketball. You're watching basket. I
Speaker 3: look at somebody cross over and notice it's just across over.
Speaker 3: You see the nuances is a ten? Many carry cannot
Speaker 3: hold nothing is Diana Russell?
Speaker 9: Then also here we got this how I got out
Speaker 9: of the pocket last.
Speaker 1: Week because you just out of control and so and
Speaker 1: so I said, it's only crazy and not many, not
Speaker 1: one of them.
Speaker 3: Many, for sure. Every single will tell you Mini's a ten.
Speaker 3: Every single breathing air will tell you.
Speaker 1: Every single will tell you Brandy is a ten too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so okay, so exactly so, And I gotta
Speaker 5: go with six on that if many rippertains attend.
Speaker 1: Brandy can't do what many does. She can't whistle, Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: it's not she's singing all right, that she can't whistle.
Speaker 9: We can't we can't say like just because this person
Speaker 9: can't do like they don't have the exact they don't
Speaker 9: have to have the exact same skill set to be
Speaker 9: a ten.
Speaker 6: I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree all the time, Like what is happening?
Speaker 3: I know, I'll tell you all the time because you
Speaker 3: pay all the diversity and I'm telling you it's not
Speaker 3: You could do one thing and be the best at
Speaker 3: it and be a team I'm not Like Anita Baker
Speaker 3: is probably the closest to a tend but it's all low.
Speaker 1: Octive and I do I agree with that.
Speaker 3: Or you could have a top octave right like like
Speaker 3: Bobby de Barge right and switch.
Speaker 5: I agree with that, But I'm just saying if, but
Speaker 5: if you're going to call many Ripperton attend and there's
Speaker 5: some other people that you left out, then.
Speaker 1: That no, you just have bad ears.
Speaker 3: I'm saying you don't know way you can listen to
Speaker 3: many Ripperton and don't think to yourself that realized this
Speaker 3: is kind of like a one.
Speaker 5: I think that she's a great I think she has
Speaker 5: great songs and she don't really.
Speaker 1: Have she don't really have a lot of great songs
Speaker 1: are great? A great song?
Speaker 3: You talk about her vote vocally as a monster. She's
Speaker 3: like a real deal vocalist.
Speaker 5: Okay, cool, cool cool. I think she does that one thing.
Speaker 5: I think she's in her lane. She got her lane
Speaker 5: and she does that very well.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. She don't have a lane. Hers is variety.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. She she covered the spectrum. She like yo,
Speaker 1: Lebron James. What anyway, she's like a spectrum. My ears
Speaker 1: are bad, man, Let's move it on there. That's cool.
Speaker 5: Apparently all y'all think she's a ten, so I'm out.
Speaker 1: That's that's a cracking pa Bell is probably a ten.
Speaker 1: Pal Belt is a ten.
Speaker 5: Team for sure.
Speaker 3: But but the point I was making was, this is
Speaker 3: a real weird conversation because we're trying to decide.
Speaker 1: Are we calling everything in R and B?
Speaker 3: Since since all of the sub genres right, which could
Speaker 3: be sold, which could be pop, which could be funk,
Speaker 3: which could be all of these things kind of come
Speaker 3: from the original rhythm and blues.
Speaker 1: Once you got past gospel.
Speaker 3: So it's like, even when I look at a Michael Jackson, right,
Speaker 3: it's like, Michael Jackson made more pop songs and R
Speaker 3: and B something me wrong. His R and B songs
Speaker 3: is fire, right, But I'm just saying, it's people that
Speaker 3: have really dope pop some and he's one of them.
Speaker 3: Who's your top five white soul singers?
Speaker 6: You know, he don't toe into that. He don't toe
Speaker 6: into that too much as that one. You know, I'm
Speaker 6: toning to that too much. They don't carry souls, so
Speaker 6: he ain't gonna listen to that, right am? I? Right?
Speaker 6: Am I? Right?
Speaker 1: Glasses? My favorite five soul singers white one.
Speaker 3: Only so many white people were sold it is it
Speaker 3: favorite five white songs? Okay, so personally my favorite five,
Speaker 3: right is is Daryl Hall. Daryl Hall got the best
Speaker 3: voice of any white person ever. I fucking love Darryl Hall. Boys, Daryl,
Speaker 3: I wish I actually sang like Daryl Hall. Darryl Hall
Speaker 3: is the ship. Number two, remember Daryl Hall?
Speaker 6: Clip this please?
Speaker 3: I think you did, because it's gonna be really tough
Speaker 3: like number two. The Little Lady out of It that
Speaker 3: Rick James put on Tina right, tanum reed, for sure,
Speaker 3: that's that's.
Speaker 1: The real deal. Okay, Now just voice.
Speaker 3: Bobby called, well, he ain't got that many songs that
Speaker 3: I really jam, but Bobby called withell voice is fire.
Speaker 1: M right.
Speaker 3: Number four is Michael McDonald mm hmm. Best voice and soul,
Speaker 3: put some soul in there. And number five Elton John
Speaker 3: m hmm.
Speaker 6: Okay, Phil Collins or nothing. I think. I think I say,
Speaker 6: George Michaels some ship like.
Speaker 1: George on that man, No Elton, John, el Jonathan.
Speaker 6: Go out and go.
Speaker 3: I don't really think that's how I like. Like listening
Speaker 3: to Brian Carey is like listening to like a diet
Speaker 3: version of Minnie Riperton. They always called it a little
Speaker 3: that's missing when she goes up there, it's like a
Speaker 3: soul that's missing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. That's my five favorite white
Speaker 1: soul sing They got sould so no female white females.
Speaker 1: You just didn't okay, you don't.
Speaker 6: Mess with that. He don't mess with that.
Speaker 3: He don't mess no, no, no, no no no. Adale
Speaker 3: is cool for like a white singer.
Speaker 6: Mm hmman song.
Speaker 3: If her sisters sang like Adele, I wouldn't even listen
Speaker 3: to her.
Speaker 1: Hey, let me ask you, where were you? Where's like
Speaker 1: every sister walking down? Where'd y'all put Celine Dion vocally?
Speaker 1: You can sing for a white lady?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm a glass on that one.
Speaker 1: What was the Mexican girl. Back in the days he
Speaker 1: used to sing.
Speaker 6: Selena, talking about what's Selena? No no no coming, no
Speaker 6: no no, no no no. He's talking about talking about
Speaker 6: Lera who to be cracking for white man. I was
Speaker 6: talking about the incredible.
Speaker 1: Some of it. Look some of them white ladies, white lady.
Speaker 5: But all these all those white ladies you just named
Speaker 5: are are what you're talking about as far as know.
Speaker 5: So they don't they got so they got sol for
Speaker 5: like white people. Yeah, white people. So white people they
Speaker 5: don't sound.
Speaker 1: Like got sold.
Speaker 5: Tina Tina, Tina, Tina got it is bad.
Speaker 3: That's a bad motherfucker. That's that's tinam Ree is a
Speaker 3: real deal. Yeah, ain't nobody gonna play with Teena Marie.
Speaker 1: That's real. I like wine House voice shout out to
Speaker 1: the lunch tape. I like Amy, that was cool. I
Speaker 1: feel like.
Speaker 3: Listening to Amy wine House like like a very diet
Speaker 3: light minute made version of like.
Speaker 1: Nina Simone.
Speaker 6: I was thinking the same thing. That's a second jazz
Speaker 6: like I think the thing that's that's what it feels like.
Speaker 1: When I listened to uh, Amy Winehouse, It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what about Robin Think?
Speaker 3: I like Rob Robin think is a dope white singer.
Speaker 3: You can sing, period, but that's for white people. He's
Speaker 3: gonna be like a nine now on just black singers,
Speaker 3: he like a six.
Speaker 1: I know you gonna kill me for this.
Speaker 5: But j T, that's like j was a better singer
Speaker 5: until he got on the stage with Brian mcnott.
Speaker 1: Yeah you realize it. Yeah, it was different, Like j
Speaker 1: T was a good singer than Brian.
Speaker 6: He they did.
Speaker 5: You know, they got a song together, they got the
Speaker 5: stage of performing. I was there alive, and it was different.
Speaker 5: It was idam. He can't even say that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't want to see That's what I'm saying
Speaker 3: with like John, Beyonce is probably like a seven or eight.
Speaker 1: If Brian you're gonna get drugged for that. I know
Speaker 1: from about I think she's an We just said vocally
Speaker 1: no six. Do you have inside information on Beyonce? Like
Speaker 1: is she what is she?
Speaker 5: Vocally? Beyonce?
Speaker 9: I don't really listen to Beyonce to be honest, I
Speaker 9: never heard the album or anything.
Speaker 1: I've only heard singing. Yeah, I never listened. I never
Speaker 1: was drawn to her musical that.
Speaker 6: So you heard one plus one though.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking Beyonce is somewhere, Like I said, think, I
Speaker 3: think she a lot stronger than everybody.
Speaker 1: To get me credit for I think Beyonce is underrated
Speaker 1: as a singer though yeah I agree.
Speaker 6: I agree.
Speaker 5: It might be closer to her nine and you think.
Speaker 3: That could be true, but she don't do the songs
Speaker 3: to exercise where she could go.
Speaker 1: She also kind of stay controlled.
Speaker 3: So after walk, Rihanna is not an eight bro, that's.
Speaker 1: The bos nigga. Rihanna is a little bit. Rihanna is
Speaker 1: a little better than Cassie. You said that. In fact,
Speaker 1: she was a little better than Cassie. Yeah. Yeah, see
Speaker 1: that's a hot take.
Speaker 3: And I get wide, bro because as a fan, y'all
Speaker 3: feel like y'all listen like we kind of really listened
Speaker 3: to it. Like if you thought Rihanna was an eight bro,
Speaker 3: your fucking taste is horrible.
Speaker 6: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Like now, Rihanna as an as a female vocalist as
Speaker 3: excuse me, as a female actor, great act, She's an
Speaker 3: amazing act, but not vocally, bro, No before, it's not diabolical.
Speaker 3: T bods is a four? No six is you can
Speaker 3: sing at a six like you get cracking at a.
Speaker 5: Six cracking out of six is crazy heard boy singing.
Speaker 1: I'm about to put her up.
Speaker 6: I think a unique voice though.
Speaker 1: I think that's her selling point, her unique voice.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what it was. Eight and nine. She get
Speaker 6: up there, so yeah, I have to listen a little
Speaker 6: bit more. She gets listen.
Speaker 3: Whitney Houston and many Riperton are teens, right, that's that's great,
Speaker 3: Like you know, I mean, it's people up there too.
Speaker 3: So if you're Whitney Houston, you're t bos. That's what
Speaker 3: you have to compare. H.
Speaker 1: But you don't need agree with Whitney. Uh, you don't
Speaker 1: need to be like like.
Speaker 3: See, when I think of R and B, I think
Speaker 3: of people like Luther Vandraws, people that really just sing, hm.
Speaker 3: They don't really like Luther Vandross is a ten vocally
Speaker 3: like Luther Van Draws is a ten. Everybody know Luther
Speaker 3: Van not argument between no human beings that no. Luther
Speaker 3: Vandross vocally is a te Luther Luther. Everybody know Luther
Speaker 3: Vandras Tu. You ain't got to look at nobody. Marvin
Speaker 3: Gay is a ten.
Speaker 9: I just listened to T boys. Yes, how fast I
Speaker 9: clicked back to the to the part, right.
Speaker 5: You just listen to t balls.
Speaker 1: What would you give from me? Like five? Six? Thank you?
Speaker 1: That's what it ain't I said, it's four.
Speaker 5: I said like five six?
Speaker 1: Or is I think? Okay, I mean, but that's your
Speaker 1: that's your opinion. Yeah, because because.
Speaker 3: You gotta have space in the middle, Like, right, where's
Speaker 3: Tina Marie?
Speaker 1: Teana Marie is seen them? Damn near might be a
Speaker 1: nine bro.
Speaker 3: Right, So then think about how good Tina Marie is
Speaker 3: compared to teapots.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's what's the five point? That's what
Speaker 1: five like. It's not about three points, about bout five
Speaker 1: points like them big three points though. Okay, let's go seven.
Speaker 3: Eight, let me think, let me think I got you.
Speaker 3: Who's that uh Tony Braxton? Okay, see where'd you put Tony?
Speaker 5: Tony might be like a you might be like eight
Speaker 5: and a half Tony Braxton eight and a half nine.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm not mad at that?
Speaker 6: Locally eight.
Speaker 1: You can track. Yeah, I gotta go out to VLAs is.
Speaker 1: Where would you put Alicia Keys?
Speaker 6: Six?
Speaker 5: That's a good question, seven, seven, eight, seven because she
Speaker 5: can even relate them goddamn piano course mm hmm.
Speaker 3: She kind of just she like really sneaky good too,
Speaker 3: like Alicia Keys vocally is sneaky good?
Speaker 1: Do you think only a seven or eight I got?
Speaker 1: I have to really listen to a seven or eight.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you a question because I thought about
Speaker 5: something that we talked about yesterday. Do some people, because
Speaker 5: they're such good performers, get that taken away from their
Speaker 5: their their performance vocally?
Speaker 1: I think Michael Jackson is one of those people.
Speaker 5: Because, like I said, Mike, what about Prince vocally than
Speaker 5: we think he is?
Speaker 6: Prince is great vocally, though, Prince s different actors like
Speaker 6: Prince is crazy just live.
Speaker 1: Like twice Prince Prince is different. You see, he's Prince.
Speaker 3: And Alicia Keys are kind of like close. I don't
Speaker 3: know that might be pushing I need to.
Speaker 1: A Prince live.
Speaker 5: Prince vocally was flawless, old flaws bro it was crazy.
Speaker 6: Change is active. The way he's singing, you're saying, he's
Speaker 6: saying many different ways though the Princess crazy professional one
Speaker 6: of the team.
Speaker 1: You get Prince seven seven, You got Prince in the
Speaker 1: same realm as Alicia Keys. Yeah, they do the same thing. Actually,
Speaker 1: what you think about that trapping six? Wow? That I
Speaker 1: don't agree with Prince.
Speaker 6: Nine eight and a half.
Speaker 1: You know, no, he's not a nine. Wait so six?
Speaker 1: You say no to a nine or eight or a
Speaker 1: seven or eight prince vocally? No, I'm saying no to seven.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, seven or eight? That's what I said.
Speaker 5: What you what you gotta uh king.
Speaker 1: By the eight.
Speaker 6: And a half. Hmm, came my man, let's don't sing da.
Speaker 1: He's different. His different vocally. He is nice, but he's not.
Speaker 5: I think he's one of those guys who performed so
Speaker 5: well that where you you forget how.
Speaker 1: Good you know?
Speaker 3: It's not Michael Jackson is. That's my problem. And Michael
Speaker 3: Jackson I think better, a better vocalist, and I feel.
Speaker 1: Like losing your fucking mind.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 1: It's cool.
Speaker 6: You got you got Stevie.
Speaker 1: It's close.
Speaker 6: You got Stevie.
Speaker 3: Vocally, the same place, the same place with Prince and
Speaker 3: Lisa Key.
Speaker 6: Is not with them being come on stop that.
Speaker 3: Sneaky, really really good, bro. She has a good control,
Speaker 3: she has good range. She's not I'm telling you she
Speaker 3: a lot sneakier good than you could imagine that.
Speaker 9: I gotta come through soon, and we got to spend
Speaker 9: like an hour or two and I got I have to.
Speaker 9: I gotta train your ear to show you what you
Speaker 9: need to be listening to.
Speaker 1: Got you that's fair. You know you do it. You're here.
Speaker 1: I know, no, you got to do it. But but
Speaker 1: I think it's fair for me.
Speaker 6: No music.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's music vocally. I agree with that.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a disservice to say Stevie Wonder
Speaker 3: is an eight vocally. That's not I'm not disserve it's
Speaker 3: not a disservice to him or because really, their calling
Speaker 3: card is not necessarily the.
Speaker 1: Performance I say. I think they're calling card.
Speaker 3: Is the fact that these are some of the ad
Speaker 3: as musicians ever ever that could actually sing me as.
Speaker 1: I think, Prince, I mean, I think you.
Speaker 9: You have to go listen to my bad coach. You
Speaker 9: gotta go listen to Stevie Wonders vocally on the live
Speaker 9: version of Ribbon in the Sky where he's emulating the
Speaker 9: instruments that are playing at the end in the band
Speaker 9: Nigga that vocal performances out of it.
Speaker 3: Again again, I'm not I'm not again, I'm not stuck here.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, if you're asking me, this is my thought,
Speaker 3: now again I could go do this, do a deep
Speaker 3: dive and realize I was tripping this.
Speaker 1: Niggas as good as you gets? What about Smokey Robinson?
Speaker 1: Seven eight.
Speaker 6: You got?
Speaker 1: You got?
Speaker 6: Donny Hathaway.
Speaker 10: Yes, a tough crowd, everybody. When I listened to you
Speaker 10: sing bro like I want to him, you got eight
Speaker 10: eight nine is nice.
Speaker 6: I ain't mad at that.
Speaker 3: See like I like Bobby. The bars is a ten
Speaker 3: one gear. Right, here's a question. Six I got you?
Speaker 3: Where's Berry White vocally?
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one vocal I don't even know.
Speaker 1: I probably they can play with these. I respect.
Speaker 9: From your neighborhood. I'm not doing the twins from the
Speaker 9: Whispers coach.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm going back to burrial fast.
Speaker 6: Look at Joey Webside, said Joey Westie with a ten
Speaker 6: from Bothy.
Speaker 1: That's not bad. Seven and a half at bad. I'm
Speaker 1: not mad at that. Okay, when from the Whispers day
Speaker 1: that's some bad one.
Speaker 3: They get cracky, they solid what's funny is Rothel is
Speaker 3: my favorite vocalist as far as male vocalist, Well, obviously
Speaker 3: there's a couple, but ro is my I've listened to
Speaker 3: more Rothel Music than any other male vocals.
Speaker 5: This is where you get people fucked up, though, because
Speaker 5: you give all these other singers seven's and six and
Speaker 5: ship and then you be like.
Speaker 1: Jamie Fox unpredictable. That's crazy, crazy.
Speaker 3: Because you don't need to have a ten for you
Speaker 3: to be my What really they are? How they make me?
Speaker 6: Number?
Speaker 1: Does it get? Ro Probably a seven?
Speaker 6: Eight?
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, go ahead, go sx.
Speaker 9: My Nigga Gavin from Third Story, who don't get no
Speaker 9: claim to fame as a ten vocally and nobody probably.
Speaker 1: Even heard of them. But I put that with anybody, hm, anybody? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have to think about it.
Speaker 3: I think it like I think my my rating system
Speaker 3: makes sense because I'm judging just singing, Like you don't
Speaker 3: have to be the greatest singer to be my favorite. Again,
Speaker 3: Like I'm like, Michael Jackson is a way greater vocalist
Speaker 3: than Keith Sweat, but Make It Last Ever is a
Speaker 3: better album than Bad.
Speaker 5: But I think a lot more goes than making a
Speaker 5: great album than just vocals exactly.
Speaker 1: So that's why I don't think what I'm saying it's crazy,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Whitney Houston is one of
Speaker 1: the greatest.
Speaker 3: It's probably the greatest female vocalists ever. And I don't
Speaker 3: play none of her songs. I wouldn't be caught dead
Speaker 3: playing with me. Why not weekly, I just.
Speaker 6: Don't care about the records they come on. I want
Speaker 6: to dance with somebody.
Speaker 1: Never traver right one too. I want to have about
Speaker 1: that ship is the ship? Yeah, I would never remember
Speaker 1: that line of Richie. They don't play all night long.
Speaker 3: A lot of ches with the commodoors and maybe hello
Speaker 3: hey all night long?
Speaker 6: Only I got one for you, bro, what's Teddy Pendergras.
Speaker 1: Line?
Speaker 3: Just could start making pop music? He started competing and
Speaker 3: and I respected that.
Speaker 1: I just I don't thriller, Bro. I just saw something
Speaker 1: this morning, Bro, I gotta send it to y'all. It
Speaker 1: was one I don't know. I don't play thriller either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't play thriller like I sometimes when I do either,
Speaker 1: I don't play bad or thriller.
Speaker 5: Off the wall, off the wall that that get played.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tankers are ten. Tankers are ten vocally for sure.
Speaker 5: And you know what that was new when you said that.
Speaker 5: That was news to me. But but if you you know,
Speaker 5: if you heard I'm saying, you heard it. He might
Speaker 5: know like that that is news to me.
Speaker 1: You say, the expert.
Speaker 9: That's why these all these plaquis R and B.
Speaker 5: Nigga, I'm a rapper locally. Tank is ten a ten Yeah,
Speaker 5: because when I started atas, I was like, okay, but
Speaker 5: he got inside information.
Speaker 1: I think I think he's.
Speaker 3: Talking about his professional skill set as a singer. It's
Speaker 3: still like an execution, like Tank ain't no.
Speaker 9: Goddamn professional skill set because I always look at it.
Speaker 1: I always look at it this way right.
Speaker 9: I've had people over the years call me and say, Yo,
Speaker 9: I'm with so and so with this girl. Whatever she
Speaker 9: could sing, you want to hear a sing And I'm
Speaker 9: like no, because you being able to sing in front
Speaker 9: of me or sing on the phone don't mean you
Speaker 9: can go in there and make a record.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's singing. We're not talking about to make
Speaker 1: a record.
Speaker 9: But I'm saying, like, I don't look at Tank's ability
Speaker 9: to go in and uh to make a record professionally
Speaker 9: based on that that nigga can stand on the corner
Speaker 9: just like she stand in the corner. Okay, I don't know,
Speaker 9: g man. I heard somebody talk to me about it
Speaker 9: yesterday too. I sing it like really singing. She stood,
Speaker 9: don't think like She started, bringing me through the history
Speaker 9: of he was a backup singer.
Speaker 1: Started, She started, I'm gonna show you. I'm gonna show
Speaker 1: you when I pull up on you show me.
Speaker 3: Yep, I got to pull up on Tank and just
Speaker 3: make him just go, get cracking, nigga.
Speaker 1: So get cracking.
Speaker 3: Real nigga real. Like a lot of my stuff is
Speaker 3: not considered the greatest thing. No no, he's not. No, no,
Speaker 3: And this is my problem. And this is why I
Speaker 3: won't let you say that ship six see the type
Speaker 3: of ship that's happened. But that's what is different than yours.
Speaker 1: Though you need to say somebody's a ten. You gotta
Speaker 1: sing as good as Luther. Luther is his standard. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna say it.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm like, you gotta sing as good as these people.
Speaker 3: You don't have to sing just like them, but it
Speaker 3: has to be as good as him. So like Tank,
Speaker 3: I thought Tank is more than a qualified sacre. I
Speaker 3: think Tank get cracking. I would have thought Tank is
Speaker 3: an eight or something seven eight. He understands music, he
Speaker 3: understands equipment, instruments, he know how to do all of
Speaker 3: that shit.
Speaker 1: He tough.
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't have thought the niggas saying him and
Speaker 3: Luther on the corner, it wouldn't be no motherfucking battle.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell six talking about Luther
Speaker 1: would blow.
Speaker 9: I didn't say nothing about Luther, Nigga, you just made
Speaker 9: him he is six. But that's your criteria you. Luther
Speaker 9: is your standard, not mine.
Speaker 1: Is Luther not a team? Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 1: Can I Can I say this though? Can I say
Speaker 1: now that six six is saying this shit? A classes
Speaker 1: in this Luther talk? Is just want you to say Luther.
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna say this, man.
Speaker 1: That's why I looked at him early.
Speaker 5: Luther is cool, is tight, Luther's don't average no disrespect
Speaker 5: from about Luther. But I don't know if if Luther
Speaker 5: Tank staying on the corner, I don't know if Luther
Speaker 5: just killed Tank. I'm gonna be honest with you, man.
Speaker 5: After listening to Tank, listen to Luther. Luther is done.
Speaker 9: Just go listen, bro, you gotta understand nothing you could
Speaker 9: listen to that's gonna be close.
Speaker 5: Because Glass has got those he got some old people
Speaker 5: in his head that he just he just they on
Speaker 5: that that pantheon for him.
Speaker 1: But so you're saying, Luther van Dross don't deserve what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: See, he gonna try to get me saying that's what
Speaker 5: you want.
Speaker 1: To say, though you're saying.
Speaker 3: Much every other sake, Luther van Dross is one of
Speaker 3: the greatest vocalists to ever exist.
Speaker 1: Luther is there true Luther?
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't want to say nothing too bad, but.
Speaker 1: That's all you did last week.
Speaker 5: And I just asked questions about that. People probably talking
Speaker 5: bad about him all the time.
Speaker 1: Is Luther operted? No, this is your fault six I know, No,
Speaker 1: you did know, so you know you did Bush. I'm
Speaker 1: a seven year old. This is why. This is why
Speaker 1: I staying on it. So I don't have this.
Speaker 5: I'm a seven year old. I don't I'm asking a
Speaker 5: question somebody. I'm just is Luther overrated?
Speaker 1: No, not that, not even close to overrated?
Speaker 5: Okay, So so is he rated properly then? Or is
Speaker 5: he he's right where he needs to be at Luther
Speaker 5: that's one of the greatest This is Luther is a.
Speaker 1: It's for me.
Speaker 9: Ago because my thing is this like even Luther could
Speaker 9: be a twelve, like Whitney could be a twelve.
Speaker 1: Those type of things. Is that measurement. But some of
Speaker 1: these players are in their own realm, bro.
Speaker 3: Like, But they have to be able to sing as
Speaker 3: these people in these realms to be a ting.
Speaker 9: That's why men, let me ask you this. Are you
Speaker 9: saying that the people that you have as eights male
Speaker 9: singers don't have the ability to do what the tens
Speaker 9: do vocally?
Speaker 1: They can have the moment.
Speaker 3: What you mean, they got him, so they deliver sometimes,
Speaker 3: but a ten is a ten every time, Like Luther
Speaker 3: is Luther Van Draws no matter how you slice it.
Speaker 1: Somebody said, what would you rate James Brown?
Speaker 9: Come on, Oh no, James Brown good singer.
Speaker 3: He was on his Godfather soul Ship. He kind of
Speaker 3: got a unique tone. He's an underrated singer to me,
Speaker 3: he could sing. But you can't go funk James Brown
Speaker 3: because obviously he wasn't singing at that point that nigga
Speaker 3: was just shouting her.
Speaker 5: But Josh, this is what you do to you though,
Speaker 5: Like g y'all be saying, I'm baiting you know what?
Speaker 1: What you start calling me? Coach? This is dark? Hey,
Speaker 1: this is dark.
Speaker 6: This is dark.
Speaker 1: Beata right here?
Speaker 5: Does he do his baiting really fly? And I just
Speaker 5: come out and ask my question. GV wanted you to
Speaker 5: lead yourself into some bullshit little sneaky ship.
Speaker 3: I have a constant, so like I'm okay with saying
Speaker 3: him because I have to stand on him. So then
Speaker 3: I don't want to wake up one day and find
Speaker 3: somebody else. So we're talking about R and B. I
Speaker 3: don't want to say somebody's a tin and they can't
Speaker 3: sing with somebody that's a tin.
Speaker 1: Billy Holliday. I love Billy Holliday. I take a little
Speaker 1: bit more time.
Speaker 9: Just so I'm trying to gain a better understanding. So
Speaker 9: Luther is a ten yep, what's the equivalent on the
Speaker 9: hip hop side as Luther.
Speaker 1: That's a good question.
Speaker 3: I just listen to hip hop ain't just about talent
Speaker 3: like that. Hip hop is still like a street urban
Speaker 3: cultural movement, so like it's not just it's not just
Speaker 3: dependent on talent per se, Like like it's just not
Speaker 3: the same.
Speaker 1: Hip hop is different. So you don't got no ten
Speaker 1: on hip hip hop music is actually not good.
Speaker 6: I don't say that brow but just like you know,
Speaker 6: I stand on it.
Speaker 9: You need me to in the realm of like how
Speaker 9: we're judging singers on.
Speaker 1: Their ability to sing.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you heard me, Hey what I want
Speaker 3: to do something freaking to you and then go listen
Speaker 3: to than you don't notice the difference musically, like think
Speaker 3: is bad?
Speaker 5: What well?
Speaker 1: I think on a pantheon of music right now, just
Speaker 1: straight music. Doctor Dre wouldn't tell you G Thing is
Speaker 1: on the same level as Leon Haywood. I want to
Speaker 1: do something for you said.
Speaker 5: It's not on the same level.
Speaker 1: It's not even in the same arena.
Speaker 5: G Thing is not good.
Speaker 1: I think hip hop at the whole the music is
Speaker 1: just all of it is. Maybe the best is like
Speaker 1: a six. All hip just the music. It's a D.
Speaker 1: I mean an instrumentation of the music.
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, all right, all right, you know you're talking
Speaker 6: about because the message.
Speaker 3: Hip hop, the whole, the whole package is what makes
Speaker 3: it like a thirty.
Speaker 1: But the music part of it is just a D.
Speaker 1: It's under there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hell yeah, Okay, Like the best is like a C.
Speaker 5: So it's a seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a seven?
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Do you have any acts that you think are higher
Speaker 5: than the seed that kind of hold up the you know,
Speaker 5: get it up to the scene.
Speaker 1: So here to just mute, Like, is there somebody hip
Speaker 1: hop that make music good?
Speaker 5: White?
Speaker 4: Fuck?
Speaker 6: No, let me tell you why hip hop is not
Speaker 6: that right there, because the creation, the creation method of
Speaker 6: hip hop has to has to be put up there
Speaker 6: more more than what you're saying. It is though, because
Speaker 6: the fact that you can take anything making it hip.
Speaker 3: Hop the creation method. Forgive me trap, I don't mean
Speaker 3: to cut you off. Thereat don't matter when it comes
Speaker 3: to hip hop. Like the music were talking about, that's
Speaker 3: what makes hip hop special. That's like asking it's soul
Speaker 3: food healthy.
Speaker 6: Like what makes hip hop special is the fantas you
Speaker 6: can You could take anything and make it into hip hop. Cherry.
Speaker 1: You could take the only black music.
Speaker 3: Like we're we're comparing to other really talented black me
Speaker 3: I've never heard of hip hop song the music and thought, man,
Speaker 3: this is like Arry White.
Speaker 5: So hip hop music is not good for you artist.
Speaker 3: No, No, soul food don't have to clog the arteries.
Speaker 3: I just think you're comparing musicians.
Speaker 6: I get you you can do. I give it. You're
Speaker 6: saying no because it is better than all music.
Speaker 5: Okay, tramp so let me get this from you, too, pop,
Speaker 5: is that you also think hip hop a musically is.
Speaker 6: A DP No. The reason why the reason why understand,
Speaker 6: the reason why Undertarily's saying though, is because like I said,
Speaker 6: you could take anything make it's a hip hop, but
Speaker 6: it doesn't become hip hop to the lyrics can put
Speaker 6: on it, though, So you know what I'm saying, So
Speaker 6: it doesn't become so you could take like you said,
Speaker 6: I want to do something freaky to you doesn't become
Speaker 6: hip hop until Drey and Snook it's on the beat. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying like that, So that's what
Speaker 6: So it's like it's almost.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not I'm not saying the presentation of a
Speaker 1: hip hop.
Speaker 3: Hip Hop records can have records from people with any
Speaker 3: record in any genre music, but it's the complete presentation
Speaker 3: because the music is make do right. It's like making
Speaker 3: the best out of some ship you really don't know
Speaker 3: how to do. When you put your ship on that ship,
Speaker 3: you present it. How much power is anything I've ever
Speaker 3: seen in music? Anyking about like g thing is is powerful?
Speaker 3: Us very white, very white first last.
Speaker 1: And only so hip hop music is the most powerful
Speaker 1: music it is.
Speaker 3: It's probably so, but it's because it's it's more things
Speaker 3: that connect to poor people, like making do always work
Speaker 3: better with humanity and things of like overspent and producer.
Speaker 3: I mean because I think humans can connect to trying
Speaker 3: to make the best side of circumstance.
Speaker 1: But hip hop, the music itself, like if you play.
Speaker 3: G thinking next to leon Man a change and I
Speaker 3: want to do something freaky is so motherfucking cold bro
Speaker 3: before going to what dre sample to be the wash,
Speaker 3: That shit is incredible, like music like I listen to
Speaker 3: very White almost every day.
Speaker 1: Dog you hear that shit?
Speaker 6: Oh you like?
Speaker 1: Oh? This ain't necessarily music.
Speaker 5: So so when hip hop artists take okay, so I'm saying,
Speaker 5: like the stuff that they use musically is better, or
Speaker 5: when hip hop artists get on it, it makes it
Speaker 5: more powerful.
Speaker 3: Because because hip hop is really about the cultural approach,
Speaker 3: like it's a get out and in the present. Now Again,
Speaker 3: I don't know a hip hop instrumental that's even in
Speaker 3: the same vein as some of the best songs and
Speaker 3: other genres of music music right, like like Biggie Hypnotized
Speaker 3: cannot fuck with herb Albert's Rise, the song that they
Speaker 3: interpolated to make the song. Man, you hear Rise, but
Speaker 3: you hear the whole hypnotized song. That motherfucker just as powerful, if.
Speaker 1: Not more powerful. Once you on that motherfucker talking crazy,
Speaker 1: the niggas finish that shit off. It's short to you.
Speaker 1: It's like some shit you never saw before. It's like,
Speaker 1: that's the power of this shit.
Speaker 3: That's why nigga's so protective of it because I get
Speaker 3: what makes it special. Like when we're arguing. When I'm
Speaker 3: arguing with Trapping, I'm like, the music don't have a sound.
Speaker 3: It's really just black music to a degree, right, you
Speaker 3: get black, But once you put the person on it
Speaker 3: and some shit happened, that shit just be different.
Speaker 1: But I mean, man, if you hear.
Speaker 3: Barry White like like like I lay my Lowrider, that
Speaker 3: the love unlimited. Bro, you hear some of this shit,
Speaker 3: this ship is out of here. Like the music, Bro,
Speaker 3: that shit is just crazy. I ain't never heard no
Speaker 3: hip hop shit like that.
Speaker 1: Never. I get it. As far as just the music,
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: Even when I hear cream right, which is one of
Speaker 3: my favorite beats of hip hop. I think of the lyrics,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, and that's one of my
Speaker 3: favorite beats. But man, you play that ship and you
Speaker 3: play some of that Verry White shit, you be like
Speaker 3: it's different that shit start changing and doing shit and
Speaker 3: you be like, holy shit.
Speaker 5: I wonder if that why culture culturally we look at
Speaker 5: hip hop artists more in the leadership bro then we
Speaker 5: look at other.
Speaker 1: That could be true.
Speaker 6: M hmm.
Speaker 9: What's what's your what's your favorite? What's your favorite R
Speaker 9: and B hip hop collab? Eat your collab?
Speaker 1: Yeah, h.
Speaker 6: Can knock the hustle jay Z and Mary J.
Speaker 1: Blige boom boom boo boom.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that is a do that's a fire. That's
Speaker 1: an abstract choice too. Okay, all this.
Speaker 3: So the first my favorite, the first song that come
Speaker 3: to mind, the greatest to me is probably that song
Speaker 3: Ghost and Mary.
Speaker 1: Did that song come right to mind?
Speaker 3: I always think of that song first for some reason,
Speaker 3: that that song All I Need song, the Marvin Gaye song.
Speaker 1: But for me, probably favorite is Balling with the dramatics.
Speaker 1: It's you're talking about method man and Mary. Yeah, excuse
Speaker 1: me that you all? I mean all I mean, I'm.
Speaker 3: Gonna say that six when you said that ship come
Speaker 3: on my mind and it sucks me up. But for me,
Speaker 3: my favorite is Balling with the dramatics and Snoop.
Speaker 5: That's always gonna go West Coast.
Speaker 1: Let's do a lot of on the West Coast.
Speaker 3: But the first one that comes to mind the greatest
Speaker 3: is probably that method and Mary J song.
Speaker 1: I remember hearing that song being like, damn crazy if
Speaker 1: I the world too, I think, but that is hip hop.
Speaker 1: No man, that might be the one, bro Becauselauren Hill
Speaker 1: is hip hop.
Speaker 9: I mean there's something that we haven't talked about either
Speaker 9: that even vocalists is we haven't really brought up Jo
Speaker 9: tosy know, because.
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about them.
Speaker 3: I mean, when they killing, you ain't hurting, nothing like that,
Speaker 3: when they all live, when they when anybody is office specifically,
Speaker 3: i've heard them all.
Speaker 1: No I saw they got one of the.
Speaker 3: I don't really hear a lot of singers, you know who.
Speaker 3: It's crazy we that all this R and B conversation.
Speaker 3: You know, we haven't talked about Mary J.
Speaker 1: Blige.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's Mary R and B female act of all time,
Speaker 3: but it's Mary J.
Speaker 5: Like how you said that other song was hip hop
Speaker 5: all the way hip hop? Because Mary J.
Speaker 1: Hip hop She's the queen of hip hop. Saw because
Speaker 1: Mary J. Just Mary J.
Speaker 3: Blige could easily be the greatest R and B act Ever,
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever saw anybody any reaction to
Speaker 3: music as much as I saw, like you gotta go
Speaker 3: pop music, Michael Jackson, Mary J. Blige, The thing Mary
Speaker 3: J Blige do. The black women I have never saw
Speaker 3: no ship I'm talking about. Ain't another black woman breathing air,
Speaker 3: not beyond that's a good one. Not none of them.
Speaker 3: You see them motherfuckers?
Speaker 1: Will Mary J?
Speaker 6: Come on?
Speaker 5: It is different ja so powerful that I used to
Speaker 5: listen to her and be like, I get what I
Speaker 5: get it girls.
Speaker 1: The time I listened to Mary J. Blige, the main
Speaker 1: question come to my mind is what did you do?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 1: Man, I agree, that's how good.
Speaker 6: Mary J.
Speaker 1: Make you think some of your ship? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: Mary J. Blige makes me think, what are you doing
Speaker 1: to make all these people do this to you? I
Speaker 1: ain't never late go to your married for it got
Speaker 1: to be married for bro.
Speaker 5: That's that's a real nigga. Got to be it's married for.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 1: You see black women with Mary J. Blige, Come on, man,
Speaker 1: they can't be everybody else is this is you, This
Speaker 1: is you, gotta be you.
Speaker 5: You remember when when Mary was happy for a minute,
Speaker 5: she dropped that album and all the women was mad
Speaker 5: and we need that this ain't the marry we like
Speaker 5: doing on her relationship and ship.
Speaker 3: Going to Mary J. Blige R and B. I think
Speaker 3: I'm going Mary J. Blige over be nor Kelly. Oh
Speaker 3: hell now as an act as far as what great
Speaker 3: as the greatest R and B act of all time.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 6: Sometimes Mary J. Blige built everything crazy, marriage crazy. Marriag's
Speaker 6: crazy as far as I act, She's really up there,
Speaker 6: changed the whole.
Speaker 1: Energy Arena's pure R and B. She she don't even
Speaker 1: have no possible You know she up there, but don't singer.
Speaker 6: She ain't whole like no Lie kick and all that ship.
Speaker 1: Under blues. It's just so much rhythm and blues. Bro.
Speaker 1: Women got mad when she didn't have the blues.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this though, imagine if R Kelly
Speaker 5: just liked them two years older and he was still he.
Speaker 1: Still probably wouldn't be change.
Speaker 6: Yeah, two years old, but I think.
Speaker 1: Like them two years older too. I like them all
Speaker 1: you're still marry. I'm not saying she's not married. She
Speaker 1: is dope. She but r Kelly dope. He's dope. She's
Speaker 1: that dope Kelly dope.
Speaker 6: But but I think you're talking more so now now
Speaker 6: when it comes to her, I'm talking about marry. As
Speaker 6: far as performing, I'm saying the way Shell songs, records, records,
Speaker 6: she got records, record.
Speaker 1: She don't have no I believe I can fly. She
Speaker 1: don't have no cross.
Speaker 3: She's just a black lady singing about niggas role. I
Speaker 3: get that we're idiots. She's a black lady from the
Speaker 3: ghetto of New York talking about black men fucking her over.
Speaker 1: It is the most polarizing thing you've ever saw in
Speaker 1: your life.
Speaker 6: It was allowed to do with production.
Speaker 5: Black women might think are Kelly better than her?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think they can like them better, but I think
Speaker 3: Mary does. I'm just being honest, like every does something
Speaker 3: different to people. Honestly, the more I think about it,
Speaker 3: I ever saw no.
Speaker 1: Ship like that.
Speaker 6: When a woman's fed up, somebody said, what you're responding with,
Speaker 6: what you're responding with from that, what you're responding with
Speaker 6: from that right there, nigga.
Speaker 5: When when I heard when a woman's fed up, it
Speaker 5: made me want to be nicer to women.
Speaker 1: Your men, women, dog man.
Speaker 5: I personal Mary Shait and it was it was dope,
Speaker 5: it was you have a penis? But damn right, but
Speaker 5: I would make you. I'm telling you I watched Mary Bro.
Speaker 1: I'm not lying.
Speaker 3: Like the more I even think about it, Bro, She's
Speaker 3: probably clearly the greatest R.
Speaker 6: And B A.
Speaker 5: I would like to know what do black women think
Speaker 5: about I would like to know do black women.
Speaker 1: Like Mary or are Robert R.
Speaker 6: Kelly?
Speaker 5: I mean, Robert Kelly better than I just think I
Speaker 5: think black women will probably shout out to Fatima. She said, Nah,
Speaker 5: Mary J. Blige is way better than R Kelly.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's one.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not that because I think we're talking
Speaker 3: about who are the greatest, But I think R Kelly.
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 3: People live the R Kelly music as much as they
Speaker 3: live Mary's experience all the R Kelly.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about No that I don't care about understanding.
Speaker 1: People are going to talk about that, but I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna get into that. What I'm saying is
Speaker 3: just him as R and B acts Mary J. Blige Bro,
Speaker 3: like I seen women be in the streets, drinking, singing
Speaker 3: that ship with their eyes closed.
Speaker 1: I never saw that for R. Kelly.
Speaker 3: I never saw them living the music like I see
Speaker 3: them living the music to Marry J.
Speaker 1: Blige. Now again, is Robert Kelly more more like of
Speaker 1: a talent? Yes, I'm talking about just pure R and
Speaker 1: B act and Mary J. Blige is not a great singer.
Speaker 1: That's the crazy part is R. Kelly and great singers.
Speaker 1: He's a little bit.
Speaker 6: Better than everybody getting crazy about seven seven?
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so Mary? Not a seven is more Mary's
Speaker 5: afford with TC.
Speaker 6: No, Mary, I might give a five.
Speaker 5: Five, I say five.
Speaker 3: I'll say marybody damn trap. That's that's I say Mary
Speaker 3: about the six or seven.
Speaker 6: I think there's a lot to do with her production
Speaker 6: with songs.
Speaker 3: Like the blues that come off, the pain that come
Speaker 3: off for her is like some ship.
Speaker 1: I never saw that's you. That comment I was talking
Speaker 1: about you get mad at no, you ain't. Nobody did
Speaker 1: all this to you? What you do? That's what I
Speaker 1: be thinking. You have now mad?
Speaker 5: I beat you have a tendency decide to somebody who's
Speaker 5: who got a lot of pain in they and they
Speaker 5: ship like you.
Speaker 1: But but you love more damn about the commiss like.
Speaker 3: I like more R Kelly songs than I like. I mean,
Speaker 3: I like more R Kelly song I like Mary Ja.
Speaker 3: But I've never saw music affect anyone like I see
Speaker 3: like no ghetto, all the ghettos I've been to around America,
Speaker 3: no matter if I was hustling or if I was
Speaker 3: doing music, whatever I'm doing, I've never in my life
Speaker 3: saw music affect people like Mary J. Blige, unless we
Speaker 3: talk about Michael Jackson, but Mary J. Blige music. I've
Speaker 3: been to different ghettos, Vegas, here, New York, and when
Speaker 3: that shit come on them, women go somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 5: I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I agree with that.
Speaker 5: All I'm saying is Art Kelly's shit affected people so
Speaker 5: much that it's started affecting white people. I think he.
Speaker 1: Makes really good music. That shit was costing all the
Speaker 1: way over.
Speaker 3: I think he makes really good it was a pop
Speaker 3: song at the beginning. I think he makes really great music.
Speaker 3: I'm not disagreeing. Like I'm telling you, I think R Kelly.
Speaker 3: I think I think Mary J. Blige they really live
Speaker 3: that like. It's different. It's the level of blues is different.
Speaker 3: It's just the connection they have to her is different,
Speaker 3: and her shit is just really for her. She's not
Speaker 3: even a an incredible talent, that's the crazy part. But
Speaker 3: they feel it because that's just I don't know why
Speaker 3: that that's a and that's a prime example DT.
Speaker 1: White people not on Mary like that because she really
Speaker 1: is a true rhythm and blues act.
Speaker 5: And I think that's what does it for you because
Speaker 5: white people don't fuck with it, you love it.
Speaker 3: I just feel like white people don't fuck with the
Speaker 3: most black things exactly.
Speaker 5: It gotta be ser bad for you, Like you if
Speaker 5: that ship I mean of R and B initially was
Speaker 5: race music, it was really black music.
Speaker 3: It was people of race race music. So it makes
Speaker 3: I'm okay with knowing that they not. But she's still
Speaker 3: doing arenas and that's scary.
Speaker 1: NAS was opening up for her.
Speaker 6: M h.
Speaker 1: She don't make crossover music. It's true. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not thinking nothing away from Mary great.
Speaker 3: I mean I mean again, it's just Rob got as
Speaker 3: many records, if not Bore records and Mary, but I
Speaker 3: think what Mary records do that was.
Speaker 1: Just something crazy. What he got way more records. Mary,
Speaker 1: Mary got a lot of records. She got some records,
Speaker 1: but she got a lot of record close in records.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they might be close. I'm telling you she her
Speaker 3: ship is sneaky.
Speaker 1: She didn't.
Speaker 3: But but when you see how her music affects people,
Speaker 3: that's the one thing I can't shake.
Speaker 1: I can think of.
Speaker 3: Great Robert Kelly records. I know a lot of them.
Speaker 3: He's one of the best to ever make music. Man,
Speaker 3: when I see her music on, it ain't a song
Speaker 3: no more.
Speaker 5: But see you only thinking about from motherfuckers from the carter,
Speaker 5: like you got it. You only want to see if
Speaker 5: that music affect niggas in the carter and like, because
Speaker 5: that's what that's what's called. It's called race music. Then
Speaker 5: after that, but tell me was affecting those people and
Speaker 5: then that ship was traveling over to white people.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care.
Speaker 3: I white people prove that don't make it. It's called
Speaker 3: race music. Yeah, but it's called race music.
Speaker 1: So I'm okay. White people don't get it. That's okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 5: Then, when you when people are doing their uh mount rushmore,
Speaker 5: are they only doing it based off of.
Speaker 1: Acts they don't know? They just be doing their top four.
Speaker 1: Me and Trapp had a.
Speaker 6: Great yeah, exactly exactly about this.
Speaker 1: Really clearing that thought up.
Speaker 3: And because the Mount Rushmore is not the fourth greatest president,
Speaker 3: it's the fourth.
Speaker 1: I say that marked different things in American history.
Speaker 3: One mark the beginning of the nation, one mark the
Speaker 3: progress of the nation.
Speaker 1: One mark.
Speaker 3: There's one mark one, you know what I mean bringing
Speaker 3: it back together in Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 1: We had this with death Jam.
Speaker 3: I think we said the Mount Rushmore, the true Mount
Speaker 3: Rushmore of death Jam would be l L Right, as
Speaker 3: as your George Washington, I think you said public enemy.
Speaker 1: As the.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 1: No, we put uh Beastie Boys as.
Speaker 3: The one that takes to improve outside of the country,
Speaker 3: and we put DMX as the Lincoln to bring the
Speaker 3: sound back.
Speaker 5: But you know, l did his Mount Rushmore of of
Speaker 5: uh def Jam also, and his my words were similar
Speaker 5: to yours. People got mad at him because they the
Speaker 5: most popular acts.
Speaker 3: Because I don't know what and this Mount Rushmore has
Speaker 3: been kind of colonized by people thinking it's the best
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 5: But this is what I'm asking. That's why I say,
Speaker 5: if we really did the Mount Rushmore of R and
Speaker 5: B real got to be on it. Baby Face got
Speaker 5: to be on the Mount Ushmore?
Speaker 6: Probably not? So why not?
Speaker 1: So who who who you put over baby Face? I mean,
Speaker 1: who would be who would be the who would be
Speaker 1: the George Washington of Mount Rushmore for R and B?
Speaker 1: That against you? You're saying, probably uh, Bobby Brown.
Speaker 3: I mean they say's hip hop's first superstar. But then
Speaker 3: we have to pretty much disclude a lot of people.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I'm comfortable with this clue
Speaker 3: with Stevie Wonder, that's my Margaret. Stevie Wonder would be
Speaker 3: really hard. I can probably not hold on to Michael
Speaker 3: Jackson and as R and B, not as black music.
Speaker 3: I could probably not hold on the Prince as R
Speaker 3: and B just black music. I'm okay with that even
Speaker 3: kind of you know, I can miss them in R
Speaker 3: and B because I got them everywhere else. And pop
Speaker 3: music day is powerful as any pop artists in the
Speaker 3: history of pop music, so they're still there. But I
Speaker 3: couldn't really imagine the world on that list without Stevie
Speaker 3: Wonder and Marvin Gaye. That would be really hard for me,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like I listened to too
Speaker 3: much of that shit. I study too much of their ship.
Speaker 3: It would be really really hard for me to do that.
Speaker 3: But theoretically they are considered soul and and different things.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know, they do make
Speaker 1: R and B, but a lot of people really feel
Speaker 1: like contemporary R and B is like more of an
Speaker 1: eighty sting.
Speaker 5: So does Keith wet get a.
Speaker 6: Ke not?
Speaker 3: I don't think on red board. Don't think he's got
Speaker 3: his album his album. I'm not bad that being in
Speaker 3: the conversation, but not Keith Sweat as a talent.
Speaker 1: Not Keith Sweating. But at the time I'm saying, but
Speaker 1: are we just doing as the talent though.
Speaker 3: I'm saying he has one making Last Forever, he needs three.
Speaker 3: He would need five with his.
Speaker 1: Why I Bring Back go over five hundred million albums.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's also so now we're talking about people
Speaker 3: that are influential and matter in R and B, then
Speaker 3: baby faces probably paramount.
Speaker 5: But You's what I'm saying, when you making a while
Speaker 5: other than that have to what happened? What's the criteria
Speaker 5: is when I'm asking.
Speaker 1: Well, if we're saying R and B, we're talking about
Speaker 1: R and B singers, R and B acts, So just
Speaker 1: R and B singers and if we're just doing as
Speaker 1: sure because because yeah, but it would be hard. Who
Speaker 1: would be the George Washington of temperar. I guess if
Speaker 1: we did in temporary art.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Steve gotta be the George Walsh him.
Speaker 1: I feel and and hip hop R and B started
Speaker 1: with Lewis Jordan's so it's like he's not going to
Speaker 1: be He's like that first president America became America black
Speaker 1: man that was pregnant before before, before George Washington.
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, it could be Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder could
Speaker 3: be on the Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 6: So you've got Stevie Wonder down there. Now, you got
Speaker 6: George Washington down as the birth and the foundational leader.
Speaker 6: You've got Teddy, you got Thomas Jefferson expansion the visionary ideas.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Joke Smoke and I thought the same thing.
Speaker 3: I feel like it probably would have to be this
Speaker 3: is the problem with it had to be Ray Charles,
Speaker 3: because Stevie Wonder is Ray Charles Jr.
Speaker 1: Ray on the on the Mount. Worst one nothing I'd
Speaker 1: have to Charles.
Speaker 6: Was making was making arm Vito.
Speaker 3: Because he made he made so he kind of created soul,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, he kind of created so
Speaker 3: and then pop is white people soul.
Speaker 6: But it was also like a like a rendition of
Speaker 6: like gospel music though, but that's all.
Speaker 3: But but it all comes from there. Lose comes from gospel,
Speaker 3: Everything comes from gospel. Yeah, it's just it's just tough,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. That's the problem.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's hard because it's possible to narrow it
Speaker 1: down to four. Yeah, I think that. I think it's hard,
Speaker 1: and well, you know what, let's try anyway, let's consider fucking.
Speaker 5: But my thing is, I think when people do these
Speaker 5: amount of Rushmore's, they they kind of set their own criteria.
Speaker 1: Like y'allferent. But I like when mere trap do it
Speaker 1: because it makes us think harder and it makes us
Speaker 1: credit to get quick question, you know what. Not saying
Speaker 1: the white boy makes it the right mont worst mo
Speaker 1: or anything anybody can if you're white and give me
Speaker 1: R and B Are you popp?
Speaker 6: Now? Yes?
Speaker 1: So six and six know who John Bellyon is? Is
Speaker 1: John Billyon pop? Or is you R and B D?
Speaker 9: I don't think he's really pop because but I don't
Speaker 9: think he's quite R and B he kind of like
Speaker 9: I think like his song like crop Circles could it's
Speaker 9: like more like alternative R and B.
Speaker 1: But then when you think about what was the first
Speaker 1: single that Sam Smith is just pop pop last is
Speaker 1: just black and white. He's just white black because.
Speaker 3: If you white, you automatically anything you make is going
Speaker 3: to go into a pop space.
Speaker 1: Because the audience of people that's gonna.
Speaker 5: Take John is popular.
Speaker 6: No, he's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not. It's not about being popular, right, That's
Speaker 1: really what it's about. What was his first thing?
Speaker 6: The popular one? Uh?
Speaker 5: Some low shade down down.
Speaker 1: With long Okay, okay, I'm with that. I'm with that.
Speaker 3: Let's go Ray Charles as George Washington of the R
Speaker 3: and B my Rishmore's he is he is the.
Speaker 1: True founder for the most part of soul music.
Speaker 6: Who's the expansion and the visionary ideas.
Speaker 3: That's Thomas Jefferson R and B, who is a Thomas
Speaker 3: Jefferson who expanded R and B.
Speaker 1: Ray Charles did a good job of making it. So
Speaker 1: when you say expanded, you mean to the masses or so.
Speaker 3: Jefferson represents the Louisiana purchase at the time.
Speaker 1: The West.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he made because.
Speaker 1: When it was the first It was just the thirteen,
Speaker 1: the colonies and all that, and it was just on
Speaker 1: the east coast. He pushed it out west. He recognized the.
Speaker 6: Expansion Louisiana purchase, the Louisiana Purchase.
Speaker 1: Are moving it west. So who was that person that
Speaker 1: took R and B from Ray Charles?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: And then they went to another le. They don't have
Speaker 1: to be a direct correlation, they just need to take
Speaker 1: it to the next level.
Speaker 3: Is it the eighty Did everybody else follow his direction
Speaker 3: for that point after? Because I think Stevie wonder if
Speaker 3: t is kind of like, I mean, that was the
Speaker 3: same marketing.
Speaker 1: Well, my thing is, what do you think Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: is though? Do you consider him? He would have to
Speaker 1: be in this conversation too, because if you but I
Speaker 1: think Michael Jackson is that third president? What's the third guy?
Speaker 6: It's Abraham Lincoln. No, No, that's the fourth direction. No,
Speaker 6: all right, So Theodore Roosevelt the development on an evolution
Speaker 6: Teddy Roosevelt.
Speaker 3: So I think Michael Jackson took it internationally because that's
Speaker 3: what Teddy Roosevelt. So it's somebody between Ray Charles and
Speaker 3: Teddy Roosevelt.
Speaker 1: Between so they got to be between Ray Charles and Mikey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the person that made it.
Speaker 3: A much more popular thing than Ray because Ray Charles
Speaker 3: kind of ushered in soul music and really pop records.
Speaker 3: To be honest, nobody would really see it that way.
Speaker 3: But the more I studied he ushered in Ray true
Speaker 3: was ushered in pop records. Like he like what we're talking.
Speaker 1: About, taking gospel and making it worldly.
Speaker 3: It's kind of the genesis of pop music, like taking
Speaker 3: a little of the ethnic, cleansing it up a little
Speaker 3: bit and making it digestible for everybody.
Speaker 1: So instead of Southern tones, it must be Jesus.
Speaker 3: It became I got a woman, must be Jesus, go
Speaker 3: in and around, well Jesus taking that that's.
Speaker 1: Kind of the the the epicenter of pop music.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: So then then he would he would.
Speaker 3: He would recognize the expansion internationally, Michael Jackson, so he
Speaker 3: would be there.
Speaker 1: Gay, it's Marvin Gay. I would think of Marvin. I
Speaker 1: think Marvel many Yeah, it's Marvin Gay.
Speaker 3: So is Marvin Gay probably the token the greatest artist
Speaker 3: out of the Motown solo act because I know Smoke
Speaker 3: is probably the most influential but I think Marvin is
Speaker 3: probably the greatest Motown X solo.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a lot of it's a lot
Speaker 1: of acts on Moretown.
Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know why. You gotta kind
Speaker 6: of go through it.
Speaker 1: Through like he came and never it's Marvin all right.
Speaker 4: So if you go he had commercial success to you
Speaker 4: remember he had commercial successful.
Speaker 6: I like, I like Diana Rose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna restake the mic. Rachel's Marvin Mike yep.
Speaker 1: And then and then now you have the person that
Speaker 1: brought R and B back?
Speaker 3: Who that's what you say, Bobby Brown. Now that's where
Speaker 3: we had a conversation. Whoever, we're okay, we're focused on male,
Speaker 3: so we're not even gonna bring you females. So that
Speaker 3: way we're not even.
Speaker 1: Separate Rushmore's. We'll do a self a separate Rushmore. So
Speaker 1: who is the person that brought R and B back
Speaker 1: to prominence?
Speaker 3: That's who it is. And it probably could be like see,
Speaker 3: that's where it could get funny, right because you could
Speaker 3: take R. Kelly is close to Bobby.
Speaker 1: Kelly Brown and so on. Yeah, that's because that's right there, yeah,
Speaker 1: public yeah, Kelly there it is so Ray, Charles H, Marvin,
Speaker 1: Arvin Gay, Michael, Michael Jackson, R.
Speaker 6: Kelly.
Speaker 9: I'm not mad at that, not bad, very respectable. I'm
Speaker 9: not I'm surprised Luther wasn't in there for you G.
Speaker 3: Not mad because I think jay Z is also the
Speaker 3: greatest death Jam recording artist, but he wasn't on the
Speaker 3: Death Jam Mount I'll get you. So it's okay that
Speaker 3: the greatest R and B singer of all time, or
Speaker 3: the greatest male vocalists of all time, I should say,
Speaker 3: may not make the list of the Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 1: But I'm okay with that. Ray Charles, H, Marvin Gay,
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, R. Kelly, That's not bad.
Speaker 5: That's not bad, that's not bad.
Speaker 3: If burst me to leave STEVIEE. But I know Stevie
Speaker 3: is Ray Charles, that's his, that's his, that's his baby. Yeah,
Speaker 3: shout out to Stevie Man, shout out for.
Speaker 1: Big shots to Stevie.
Speaker 3: But that's the point, Like because even when we did
Speaker 3: even Trap, when we did the Death Jam Mount Rushmore,
Speaker 3: it be different, like it kind of we knew death
Speaker 3: Jam was loud and op notching, so even the skip
Speaker 3: jay Z was almost blasphemous. Bro or Warren who who
Speaker 3: brought who saved death Jam? Or but it's depth Jam
Speaker 3: wasn't fuck the business. We talk about the thing that
Speaker 3: it represented, this loud out, nachous energy that was like
Speaker 3: street urban on the prow DMX when when when hip
Speaker 3: hop was trying to go clean, you know, puffin and
Speaker 3: was taking it shiny and clean, this motherfucker came out
Speaker 3: with some tims with no socks on and an overall
Speaker 3: short set and an overall short set screaming, barking, and growley.
Speaker 3: That is death Jam energy summing. That's like watching LLL
Speaker 3: Rebirth in the grimiest setting.
Speaker 6: I like that.
Speaker 8: I like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm a man.
Speaker 1: I was just asking. I thought it was gonna be ridiculous.
Speaker 1: But I'm not mad at Charles. Ray Charles. Could he
Speaker 1: be the John Hanson and Stevie Wonder be the no either,
Speaker 1: George Washington. I'm not mad at that either.
Speaker 3: But no, Ray Charles is like a really really big deal,
Speaker 3: like he wasn't like they made the pop charts.
Speaker 1: But just feel weird not having Stevie on you.
Speaker 3: But you also have to realize Ray Charles was a
Speaker 3: successful act and that's why Stevie got.
Speaker 1: A shot in the first place. So he was the
Speaker 1: first person to say blinds can't do this, and I
Speaker 1: mean not just do it like Ray Charles is not
Speaker 1: Lewis Johnson. Ray Charles is like your subtle trolling this
Speaker 1: crazy coach. I don't.
Speaker 6: Know what.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah, you see what he be doing. Coach Chaos.
Speaker 1: So let me get this right. One or two a
Speaker 1: day every time he won.
Speaker 6: That know the other the craziest one was two years older.
Speaker 6: Ship though. That was crazy. That was crazy.
Speaker 5: Ask questions.
Speaker 1: You amazing t shirts Coach Chaos. Faiths I've been listening
Speaker 1: to ain't a lot this this week. Somebody in the
Speaker 1: chat said, what would you rate Faith Evans?
Speaker 3: Yeah, faith is that's the real mount war Ray Charles,
Speaker 3: Marvin Gay, Michael Jackson, and R Kelly.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. I'm okay.
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, not at all. Now.
Speaker 1: Females is gonna be really hard men and who any
Speaker 1: rippretending who else? Well, you can't do that because he
Speaker 1: didn't go Look the first one, it's probably hard.
Speaker 6: To be that.
Speaker 1: She might not get on. She might not know I'm
Speaker 1: putting Diana Ross on there, like not gonna get on
Speaker 1: that at all. The only person. I know for sure
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Mary J Blige. I know for sure
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Mary J Blige, Mary J BLI gonna
Speaker 1: be at the end of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's She definitely re established if it ever kind
Speaker 3: of went away, because female R and B never went away.
Speaker 5: So does Beyonce not get it?
Speaker 1: I don't know. She's not on this.
Speaker 6: Diana Ross is on there right attack like you.
Speaker 1: That's okay, that that will change. Beyonce is the one.
Speaker 1: She's still the one that don't gotta be on every list.
Speaker 1: She wouldn't. But if we talk about Nigga wing for seventy,
Speaker 1: she couldn't be on the list, So she can missed
Speaker 1: a list. Uh first, is is it a reason or
Speaker 1: is it Billy Holliday? Billy is jazz still, but we're
Speaker 1: talking about okay, because you gotta go post forty Ross,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fifties sixties you said on that far
Speaker 1: who you said fifties and sixties? I'm saying who first?
Speaker 6: You said?
Speaker 1: Probably Aretha hold On. People love to Reatha. I don't
Speaker 1: know why they loved it, I mean, but they loved.
Speaker 3: Her like they were dear to her. Differently like I
Speaker 3: would love to ask my my mask my mom one time.
Speaker 5: You ain't like Aretha that much?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's dope. I like Patler Bill more than Rita though,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean it's Patty like she making
Speaker 1: pies and everything.
Speaker 6: Patty Piles were playing things on Walker.
Speaker 1: She's not on here.
Speaker 6: Dianna is a real pop act and the coldest riding
Speaker 6: I keep saying Dianea Ross, which she's on this list right.
Speaker 1: Let's figure out who is the first James James Bell
Speaker 1: She's dope and she from La Is that? Is that
Speaker 1: a James from LA I didn't know that about Leila
Speaker 1: half the way. No, no, no way back then.
Speaker 3: Yah, I was about we might have to come what
Speaker 3: is your George Washington? Who is a George Washington? A female?
Speaker 1: R and B You might have to come back to
Speaker 1: this one. I don't know that one because Billy Holliday
Speaker 1: was jazz. She was before that, I remember correctly.
Speaker 6: No, let me ask, let me ask. Definitely jazz. She
Speaker 6: was scatting and everything like that.
Speaker 1: It was the first female. Might have to be on there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how about Gladys Knight.
Speaker 6: Gladys what it came up? What came up?
Speaker 1: Mary?
Speaker 6: Welles, that's.
Speaker 3: First female R and B superstar, is often associated with
Speaker 3: Mary Welles. She is considered a pioneer of motown music
Speaker 3: and the first successful female R and B star that
Speaker 3: the first female artist to achieve ainstream pop success with
Speaker 3: hits like the one You Really Loved You and My
Speaker 3: Guy Damn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot about that one My guy.
Speaker 6: Damn.
Speaker 1: Let me see something very well.
Speaker 6: I remember not putting on the list because if you
Speaker 6: do the same thing with the R and B that,
Speaker 6: it's not gonna come up with Ray, It's gonna have somebody.
Speaker 1: Else had Bobby Brown. H is gonna be hard to
Speaker 1: beat that. Get some mention on here, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: hard to be very well.
Speaker 6: Shock should go up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was. I wonder what kind of
Speaker 1: icon Mary Wells was.
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. You can't put up there. She
Speaker 6: ain't like if it adn't come to your mind like that,
Speaker 6: then you can't put on this list.
Speaker 1: Then is this she in the group too?
Speaker 6: Though?
Speaker 1: Very well, here's one in Americas. He was in a
Speaker 1: group too? Was My Guy a group song?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 1: Without a group song? I think it was a group song.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that might have been a group.
Speaker 6: That was a group song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no it's not. That's oh no, it's not what
Speaker 1: group was she in though they was wasn't in no group?
Speaker 6: That was a solo song that my guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. You know they had vocalists, so I
Speaker 1: could be leave that also somebody else Mary Wells was
Speaker 1: part of the Supremes.
Speaker 6: Was she?
Speaker 1: I thought she was, but I don't. I can't verify it.
Speaker 1: AI be boys shit in half the time.
Speaker 6: I'm under said, because you know them songs like she
Speaker 6: might have seen that song and somebody else might have
Speaker 6: sing it too, though that wasn't the group. I think
Speaker 6: the Supremes did sing it right. Then the Supreme sing
Speaker 6: that song too.
Speaker 1: I gotta die back. That's way before my.
Speaker 6: Time now, then the Supreme sing that song too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was in the Prince for sure. I think
Speaker 1: I'm okay with saying Mary Wells. I feel like I
Speaker 1: don't know enough about Mary Wellster. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Maybe not, maybe not. It said her career, Yeah, ignorant,
Speaker 1: don't mean that.
Speaker 6: It's right.
Speaker 1: I'm sure she had. She was a big deal because
Speaker 1: he was a big record.
Speaker 5: I'm good with Mary Wells.
Speaker 1: I don't know putting that on the yah when you
Speaker 1: read up on Mary Wells right now, like she seemed
Speaker 1: like a big deal.
Speaker 5: She seemed like she did her thing and could be
Speaker 5: I said Dana Ross ma first maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, I'm with Donad What the chat saying, George Washington, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with Dina. I'm with Donad Ross.
Speaker 6: George. They said, that's what Jennifer Hudson wasn't that's what
Speaker 6: character was based off for Oh wow, based up in
Speaker 6: manyell mm hmm, oh wow.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, Mary Mary. I like the choice
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 6: Well Wells and Diana Ross was competition.
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go downa Ross.
Speaker 6: That's what I said from the jump. Yeah, I think
Speaker 6: that's a push, but no, I think it gotta be her.
Speaker 6: You got the supremes, all the supremes. And he moved
Speaker 6: on to you know what I'm saying, like she could
Speaker 6: even she gonna fall in one of these spots though.
Speaker 6: She could fall into the expansion the expansion spot though too,
Speaker 6: because she took that. She took the game out there though, too,
Speaker 6: So you could if you wanna through many Wells, you
Speaker 6: can put her in the Theodore Roosevelt. Te Roosevelt spot too.
Speaker 1: She ain't getting that.
Speaker 6: She went so black, King Patrick Man, come on, man, that's.
Speaker 3: What I thought, darry Donna Ross should probably be George Washington.
Speaker 3: I think she was the first female R and B
Speaker 3: icon that we can remember.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's wrong or not, but I'm
Speaker 3: thinking that's what's important, right, is we're remembering like George.
Speaker 3: We all know George Washington is that's not none of
Speaker 3: us go trip. Even if we don't know much about
Speaker 3: George Washington, we know that's George Washington.
Speaker 1: The same thing it's Whitney. And hold on, let's can
Speaker 1: we agree with donnad Ross and Georgian put Mike?
Speaker 6: Did we put Mike in the in the men joint? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And he introduced her?
Speaker 6: All right, all right, all right. I'm just saying because
Speaker 6: if you want, you gonna put Mike in there, because
Speaker 6: Mike was a pop and you can't put Whitney up
Speaker 6: in there, even that Whitney super pop.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know if Whitney gonna
Speaker 1: make a period.
Speaker 6: Whitney was pop.
Speaker 1: So what's the second criteria forgot?
Speaker 3: So it's Jefferson. If they expanded it. Okay, they took
Speaker 3: it from Donna Ross and wentn't even further. That might
Speaker 3: be it shouldn't it should have been Mary Wells and
Speaker 3: Dona Roll.
Speaker 1: That might be Aretha That could I roll with that too?
Speaker 1: Mary Wells first, Diana Ross? Yeah, but it probably should
Speaker 1: be Dona Ross. Have we all heard of Mary Wells?
Speaker 1: I have obvious when you were younger. Yeah, Motown was
Speaker 1: a big deal when I was younger. Dina Ross was
Speaker 1: the queen of Motown. I know that for sure.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's go Mary Diana. I still think we're kind
Speaker 3: of cheating, But Diana is way before Diana Ross, so
Speaker 3: just go down.
Speaker 1: She's way before donas time for years, ten years. I
Speaker 1: don't think that much, is it is?
Speaker 3: I think Mary Wells's first song when I looked, was
Speaker 3: like sixty two, and Dona ross first album is in seventy.
Speaker 1: I mean we go married then Diana?
Speaker 6: Though? What about the Supremes?
Speaker 3: Though, yeah, you know what, I'm with revenge. I'm with revenge,
Speaker 3: he said. I don't know Mary Wells.
Speaker 1: That's important. He knows who George wah Inton gout.
Speaker 6: That makes She's probably from Canada too.
Speaker 3: I think I was the President of America before everything.
Speaker 3: That's who she represents. I think you I think you
Speaker 3: gotta go one or the other, though, I don't think
Speaker 3: you can go both. Yeah, not both, okay. Dona Ross
Speaker 3: is George Washing. So then who took it where I
Speaker 3: said I would read.
Speaker 1: The Franklin Yeah from Donnah Ross. Yeah she did. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I took it away out there. Aretha
Speaker 1: Franklin was Aretha Franklin was after Dona rossad frank She
Speaker 1: had her long career all the way through, even after
Speaker 1: Dona Ross. I'm saying, but she older than Dona Ross.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Diana Ross had a solo career. You got to
Speaker 6: go back to the to the sopruns and all that. Though.
Speaker 6: You know what, what.
Speaker 3: Aretha Franklin is. Aretha Franklin is the George and Donna
Speaker 3: Russell is Jefferson.
Speaker 1: That makes sense because that's what I was expansion, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Experion Franklin was like the first Yeah, her longevity was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Yeah Franklin. Okay, all right, so Aretha then Diana Ross.
Speaker 3: Franklin is George Washington and then Diana Ross. Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: okay with that, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So now the third one, and what this third one represent.
Speaker 3: Aretha Franklin is she was born in forty two. Donald
Speaker 3: Ross was born in forty four, but their career started
Speaker 3: ten years apart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that could be the same age Maria first read it.
Speaker 1: So what's the third one, third crut? What's the third one?
Speaker 1: Third one?
Speaker 3: Is Teddy Roosevelt? Right, and he represented the expansion out
Speaker 3: of the country. I think what was the Panama Canal was.
Speaker 1: The big thing, and that would be Whitney.
Speaker 3: Whitney was international act like that, Are you serious? She
Speaker 3: was the female Michael got no coming on that.
Speaker 6: That's what I was saying.
Speaker 5: I was thinking, I'm thinking, I'm trying to think, because
Speaker 5: I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1: But she's that big.
Speaker 5: I think she think she was big.
Speaker 6: She was.
Speaker 4: To have a super Bowl, big glass movie, super Bowl Bodyguard,
Speaker 4: all that stuff.
Speaker 6: And the super National anthem, the super Bowl the national
Speaker 6: Wasn't that the super Bowl at the super Bowl National anthem? Different?
Speaker 1: Okaycuse not say halftime show.
Speaker 6: Yeah that's the fact, you're right, My bad, But no,
Speaker 6: she was big.
Speaker 5: So who we say was bigger than Whitney, Well, it's
Speaker 5: not bigger than I mean, I'm from international, expanding the past.
Speaker 5: If we if we were going to if we're not
Speaker 5: putting her there, who do we say was expect you know,
Speaker 5: look at the women that came out. You're right, it
Speaker 5: has to be Whitney. It has to be with me
Speaker 5: then married Almos for getting me roughly. And it's not
Speaker 5: like I don't have respect for Whitney. He like puts
Speaker 5: in respect. It's not that it's just try to get
Speaker 5: it right. But it probably the best vocalists to.
Speaker 1: Me in my mind too. Need to read the Franklin too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said she was like a niece or or something
Speaker 1: like a god daughter or some ship that makes sense
Speaker 1: with Mary.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just I just.
Speaker 1: Conover Whitney as an international star.
Speaker 6: You want to hear who Jack who chat GPT said?
Speaker 6: They said, they said to read the Franklin, Georgia Washington.
Speaker 6: They said, Thomas Jefferson is Beyonce, Abraham Lincoln is married
Speaker 6: J Blige, and then and Teddy Roosevelt shot there.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm not mad at that. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 3: you why I didn't disagree, because I knew Mary J.
Speaker 3: Blige is the return of R and B.
Speaker 1: And we all agree.
Speaker 3: Read the Franklin with George Washington. The only difference is
Speaker 3: what we're saying about Donna Ross. They said, who was it?
Speaker 6: Beyonce said, Beyonce with Teddy Roosevelt. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 6: I'm time with Jefferson.
Speaker 5: Excuse me, Okay, So I kind of jumped to, uh
Speaker 5: my only disagreement with that that with that rigo party shot,
Speaker 5: I said Beyonce too.
Speaker 6: They put they put shot there. They said, because the
Speaker 6: timeless innovation and drama elevation.
Speaker 1: This is a bad motherfucker. Yeah, we don't know, Beyonce.
Speaker 6: I mean know, we're gonna go, uh, they're gonna go
Speaker 6: Whitney with Whitney for West spot for for Teddy Jefferson.
Speaker 6: I'm not, man, Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 6: She was so popped though, she was just so popped though.
Speaker 6: That's the only thing. Like she wasn't really like R
Speaker 6: and B songs for Whinney Houston like that. Man, that's
Speaker 6: the same what you say about Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: I know he was hello pop. Yeah, black people looked
Speaker 1: at her as R and B they did. We're looking
Speaker 1: at hindsight now, No, they didn't look.
Speaker 6: At No, they didn't know they did.
Speaker 1: It was the white people can talk ship about what
Speaker 1: I mean, they knew, they all knew she could sing
Speaker 1: her ass off. But that's like, yeah, people didn't talk
Speaker 1: about Whitney. He was there, he was there, he can
Speaker 1: hear this sing. She was pretty. That's true. I didn't know.
Speaker 1: That's not what she's saying.
Speaker 6: You didn't know.
Speaker 3: That's how you can see Luther was gay as the motherfucker.
Speaker 3: I had never had no idea like Luther was gay.
Speaker 3: That's how good that nigga saying that. I didn't even
Speaker 3: when I saw never too much. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: this nigga obviously was gay, but he's saying so fucking good.
Speaker 1: I was like, this nigga is the best.
Speaker 11: That's how George Michaels was like, yeah, yeah, white people
Speaker 11: get that off coat.
Speaker 1: So what's the four for the women?
Speaker 3: Because reading Franklin Dona Ross, we're saying we the Houston
Speaker 3: instead of yeah, Beyonce is not on there.
Speaker 1: No, it's gonna be Mary J. The gotta be Beyonce,
Speaker 1: guys to break the bad news to you, Mary J.
Speaker 6: B back.
Speaker 1: Conversation, Mary J. Blige broke that real R and B.
Speaker 6: You know what, somebody just said about us rocked though
Speaker 6: she was hold on that again. Somebody mentioned Tina Turner though,
Speaker 6: but I don't I don't really.
Speaker 1: Turner actually actually know Tina Turner's career.
Speaker 3: No, wow, what's hold Ontina? Contina was rocked, got into
Speaker 3: R and B and she when she went, she went.
Speaker 5: Okay, so you're talking about Okay, she wasn't even the
Speaker 5: genre of music. She don't fit the giant.
Speaker 1: She don't really have. What's not got to do with?
Speaker 1: It's not an R and B song, that's not that's
Speaker 1: a rock song too. Okay, all right, okay, so I'd
Speaker 1: like to list you did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, behind the Ross Whitney Houston and Mary J. Block
Speaker 3: brought back Real Lauren B.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is not mad. I'm not mad? Wait what was it?
Speaker 1: What did it say? What did that gv T say?
Speaker 6: They said it said that said all right, held on?
Speaker 6: All right? So it said George Washington is Aretha Franklin.
Speaker 6: They said they gave her a birth. The expansion they
Speaker 6: gave that was that was Thomas Jefferson and gave that
Speaker 6: to Beyonce. The preservation they gave it that Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 6: They gave it to Mary J. And the development Theodore
Speaker 6: Roosevelt gave the shot the I'm not mad.
Speaker 1: At that though. Who they could hear Beyonce too. They're
Speaker 1: saying she was like the uh, they're saying she was.
Speaker 6: Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Abraham Lincoln. You said you said no, no, no, no,
Speaker 6: you said beyond. I'm sorry, you said said that.
Speaker 1: Was taking Tina Turner to me.
Speaker 8: It said global, it said global reach, drama been there
Speaker 8: her dad over Tina Turner. She's like, well there, so no,
Speaker 8: she didn't that bring nothing new?
Speaker 6: Who be Yeah, she didn't bring nothing new rolls on it.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 6: They didn't put Diana Ross on it.
Speaker 1: Understand why you don't put Dona ross Sony. I understand
Speaker 1: why not. But I'm but I mean, I would put
Speaker 1: Diana Ross I take on list because I agree with trap.
Speaker 1: She expanded.
Speaker 3: She took what Areka Franklin was doing and a national thing.
Speaker 3: She became like a national superstar.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she was crazy.
Speaker 1: She was really some ship like that's why we know
Speaker 1: I'm about to say.
Speaker 6: And she was the one that was bringing out she
Speaker 6: put out like the Jackson five. She brought out.
Speaker 1: She brought out math. You didn't do math to the
Speaker 1: world I'm saying, she was expanding. People don't forget the movies,
Speaker 1: but it's scary. What's her greatest R and B song?
Speaker 1: That's my thing?
Speaker 6: What's the name? Feel Me? Killing Me? Infens for this.
Speaker 1: And she got that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she got she got some ship. She got some ship.
Speaker 5: It's funny because I got introduced to Diana Rouss through
Speaker 5: acting for music.
Speaker 1: You know, she's like, yeah, actress first, and then I
Speaker 1: heard on the soundtrack and I was like, I always
Speaker 1: knew she was sick. I did not know I've seen her,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, then I heard the soundtrack,
Speaker 1: I was like who.
Speaker 3: One of the things I was screaming about when Dot
Speaker 3: won that final award for that Grammy was Diana.
Speaker 1: Ross gave him.
Speaker 6: He did say that. He did say that to this
Speaker 6: whole hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's man. I checked that nigga.
Speaker 3: I said, Dina Ross nigga that nigga hit me back
Speaker 3: like damn, I'm like, nigga, he killed that. He was
Speaker 3: like yo, he came up like what Dinah Ross, bro, Wow,
Speaker 3: that was like a big deal the awards Donald and
Speaker 3: gave it to you.
Speaker 1: Then I said that what made it so crazy was
Speaker 1: that then she gave Mike his fipp.
Speaker 6: One that time.
Speaker 1: No, some like that, they said, but that was in
Speaker 1: the I wasn't for one sothing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm just saying, though it was.
Speaker 1: It was like that the same amount. Yeah, for sure
Speaker 1: it could be. Besides Dona ross I don't Frankling within
Speaker 1: the Houston so that looked like what the seventies. I'm
Speaker 1: rolling Diana me too. What I'm saying is anybody we're
Speaker 1: not thinking about. I can't think anybody the chest seventies
Speaker 1: R and B singers. Yeah, yeah, they had.
Speaker 6: To be a big deal to somebody. You saying. Tammy Terrell, Oh.
Speaker 1: It was more like her and Marvin Gay the duets
Speaker 1: about Temmy burning Flat, Dona Russell Summers after flat Fire.
Speaker 1: I thought she would this guy, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: but about the same.
Speaker 3: Gwyn Dicky is another dope singer that we didn't talk about.
Speaker 3: Vocal lead singer from Rose Royce.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hopefully she's crazy vocally
Speaker 6: she might be a nine. I think, bro, are we
Speaker 6: tripping on Shoka like that? Shock? You could do that?
Speaker 1: It could be Shocked or Gladys Night.
Speaker 6: Lad As Night.
Speaker 1: We have not talked about glad I mentioned Glad It's night. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know why she wasn't a solo act even turning.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, I think you said the Pimps. I
Speaker 1: used to I used to think that's what we all thought.
Speaker 9: It was Glad at Night in the Pimps, that that
Speaker 9: had me messed up when I was a kid, and
Speaker 9: that that Uh go see cal commercial they used to
Speaker 9: play all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go see caw see caw That's what it sounded like, bro,
Speaker 1: when I was a little kid. I don't know how
Speaker 1: we've seen that ship way up in Washington. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was definitely a regional commercial for sure, But I definitely
Speaker 1: did not think you.
Speaker 4: Put one up there in Frederick Way, Kyle Worthington, Uh,
Speaker 4: franchise up there in Washington. I was.
Speaker 1: Animals and ships.
Speaker 3: Probably hold on, I'm looking right now, man, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be tough to be Dona Ross man.
Speaker 5: I think they got staples on here, rolling Chaka Khan,
Speaker 5: Donna Summers.
Speaker 1: That's a good list right here. That's down the Summers
Speaker 1: one given a rough for money. That's how good the
Speaker 1: music was when it's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Aretha Franklin is the George Washington Dinah
Speaker 3: Ross is Tom Jefferson.
Speaker 1: Whitney Houston is the Teddy Roosevelt.
Speaker 11: Mary J.
Speaker 1: Blige is the leacuoln.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say with that, Eddie Ray, I'm okay, I
Speaker 3: could breathe with that. I'm locking that in a lock
Speaker 3: it ro.
Speaker 1: Ween mm hmm. Yeah, I'm with that.
Speaker 6: Call a call so so.
Speaker 1: Laugh when the.
Speaker 6: Yeah up?
Speaker 2: Hm.
Speaker 1: Mary J. Blige is really the one, bro. You you
Speaker 1: fuck what you think of Mary?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 4: What's what's unanimous? Which one of those is unanimous on
Speaker 4: both lists? What's unanimous? Like greath is unanimous?
Speaker 1: Areatha was unanimous, Diana Diana Ross is not shaky, Whitney
Speaker 1: Houston was shaky, okay, and Mary J Is is unanimous? No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't know who could you replace Mary J. Blige with?
Speaker 1: As Franklin is the only unanimous one? Yeah for sure, Nah,
Speaker 1: I gotta go married. It's hard, man. I understand what
Speaker 1: the on there though, you can't Beyonce didn't bring That's.
Speaker 5: What I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We can't flip Beyonce on there. Bring R and B
Speaker 1: back with the Desney.
Speaker 5: Not bring like I'm like it was dead to be
Speaker 5: win solo.
Speaker 1: No beyond started making up stopped that and then males.
Speaker 1: It was Ray Charles. That is a unanimous ones.
Speaker 3: We all agreed that Ray Charles probably was the first. Okay,
Speaker 3: you kind of want to say sty wanted, but we
Speaker 3: said Ray Charles. He went on his as though he
Speaker 3: Steve Wonder sure Ray Charles. Number two was Marvin Gay.
Speaker 1: That was a tough one.
Speaker 3: So that wasn't unanimous, but I think we kind of
Speaker 3: realized it needed to be. Okay, is that fair? Six
Speaker 3: that again Marvin Gay really united, he needed to be.
Speaker 4: Uh, we got the unanimous on just trying to figure
Speaker 4: out that us needed okay, so that's too unanimous.
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson was kind of the shaky one that we
Speaker 3: all just had to accept, okay, and we all agreed.
Speaker 1: It had to be r Kelly three unanimous is on
Speaker 1: that one? Okay? I think the male one it was
Speaker 1: definitely have chat GBT make us a drawing.
Speaker 6: Of that. Yeah. I don't think we're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I can do it. Do it.
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Speaker 3: you elaborate later on your statement? Gn next equal Striller.
Speaker 3: I like that shout out to No Selings. I just
Speaker 3: knew it was going to have a about five or
Speaker 3: six records that were gonna be big records, big singers.
Speaker 1: The way it's composed, the success, it's like him.
Speaker 3: It's like the culmination of all his powers coming into
Speaker 3: one in him understanding exactly how much of himself he
Speaker 3: needed to present yet how much he needed to align
Speaker 3: himself culturally, Like I think that was important for Michael
Speaker 3: Jackson with Thriller. Like I think that's where he went
Speaker 3: wrong on Bad. Bad didn't have a real black music feel,
Speaker 3: Like I think he wasn't really digging black music at
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: Like at that time, probably the.
Speaker 3: Biggest Black act in the eighty seven would have probably
Speaker 3: been Cameo, right it Candies around that time, Like I
Speaker 3: think he didn't really I think Michael Jackson see before
Speaker 3: that when he did Thriller, he was able to look
Speaker 3: at Hall of Notes, who had a different pipeline of
Speaker 3: black people.
Speaker 1: Right, So when you hear Billy Jean, you could hear
Speaker 1: I can't go that. Rick James was destroying at that time, right,
Speaker 1: you know further problem, I was just thinking about what
Speaker 1: you just said.
Speaker 4: A lot of them older groups like Commodorees and all
Speaker 4: them started going solo in the eighties and stuff, Well
Speaker 4: they started going sold them groups started going solo, But
Speaker 4: it wasn't the eighties.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't just that, right, like they Cameo was
Speaker 3: doing damage to black music at that time. The Cameo
Speaker 3: was for sure the blackest thing I heard at that
Speaker 3: time in the midti Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: That's like the last group everybody started going solo and stuff.
Speaker 1: And I think what he was saying wasn't Teddy. Wasn't
Speaker 1: Teddy rockling around that time too?
Speaker 3: Yep, Teddy Teddy is a little earlier earlier. It was
Speaker 3: earlier eighties than the mid to late eighties. He was
Speaker 3: solo like in the late seventies, right was he? I
Speaker 3: thought it was what was it was the early eighties
Speaker 3: about Teddy pinograms vocally, that's another one of your favorite votes.
Speaker 1: That's about right.
Speaker 6: Trapping.
Speaker 3: And I think and I think Michael Jackson ignored Cameo
Speaker 3: mm hmm. I think he saw that as I wonder
Speaker 3: what was the conversation about musicianship around Cameo, like how
Speaker 3: it was around James Brown.
Speaker 1: The New York Players New York City players was different.
Speaker 3: I mean they didn't really the New York players like
Speaker 3: Cameo didn't really Cameo was out there though.
Speaker 6: They was mexing with Cameo over here.
Speaker 1: Pop. No, that was that was to me the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: Again I was a kid. The biggest thing on the
Speaker 1: black scene to me at that time was Cameo.
Speaker 3: Bro Cameo was like, because hip hop was coming to
Speaker 3: run everything down at this point, this is mid to
Speaker 3: late eighties hip hop running everything down LLL and them
Speaker 3: starting to run sh it down.
Speaker 1: Here come in w A, here come all this rap.
Speaker 4: Cameo couldn't been a welcome map for hip hops. Well,
Speaker 4: it kind of was hip hop, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: right hip He had a soft call word up that
Speaker 4: was hip hop right now. But my Michael Jackson I
Speaker 4: think ignored that.
Speaker 3: So when he looked for his urban influence of musicianship
Speaker 3: at that time, him and him and Quincy, I think
Speaker 3: they looked to Ray Parker when they should have looked
Speaker 3: at Cameo and Ray Parker. At that time, Kinna already
Speaker 3: had a pop sound like Bad is like Ghostbusters Ghostbusters.
Speaker 3: This the same song, but Ghostbusters is corny as fuck.
Speaker 3: It's already not tight, Like none of us really fucked
Speaker 3: with Ghostbusters unless we was little kids like.
Speaker 1: We were, and we just jammed it. But that wasn't
Speaker 1: like a song we fucked with.
Speaker 3: So I think he didn't look at Cameo the way
Speaker 3: he looked at Rick James to make Thriller, or the
Speaker 3: way he looked at different black acts to kind of
Speaker 3: put black music into bad So then you just end
Speaker 3: up with kind of this really pop offering of a
Speaker 3: bunch of records that really kind of don't have no
Speaker 3: like no real blackness to him outside of Michael Jackson
Speaker 3: applying whatever that looks like.
Speaker 1: After selling thirty million, then he grew up in Motown,
Speaker 1: so he had that was in them, but he was.
Speaker 3: But he already depended on it. But by that time,
Speaker 3: I remember he's on He's he's fresh off Thriller. Thriller
Speaker 3: is ten twenty thirty million. Yeah, like it's killing. So
Speaker 3: he's not touching the third.
Speaker 1: Like that no more. He not on the scene no more.
Speaker 3: This nigga for me is the man. So it's like,
Speaker 3: I think he looked at Ray Parker, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? And there I'm not just saying he had
Speaker 3: He definitely ate his before Ghostbusters, But I don't think
Speaker 3: when it came to black music, Ray Parker was as
Speaker 3: as dense culturally as.
Speaker 1: Let's say, Cameo Cameo's connection to blackness.
Speaker 3: Darryl, you know better than me because you from that
Speaker 3: time period, it was deep, like niggas love Cameo, like
Speaker 3: my mom loved fucking Cameo like it was black as fuck.
Speaker 3: And I don't know why Michael Jackson didn't pull from
Speaker 3: Cameo for some records on Bad I don't know why
Speaker 3: he didn't. So but so back to the point with
Speaker 3: gn X, I think the point with gn X is
Speaker 3: dot realized, like the culmination of what's happening in the space,
Speaker 3: how to make it his and then represent it at
Speaker 3: the perfect time. So it equated to him having more
Speaker 3: successful singles than any other album songs. That's probably It's
Speaker 3: gonna probably be multiple songs on this album that go diamond.
Speaker 3: The album is probably gonna end up somewhere near five
Speaker 3: or six million sol. I mean it's a different type
Speaker 3: of thing. I mean where he's where he culminated that
Speaker 3: as an artist. So shout out to quin t to
Speaker 3: Quinnity cooling the gang. That's another one, yep.
Speaker 4: So do you think Prince was able to pull from
Speaker 4: somebody like, like you said, Cameo and stuff like that
Speaker 4: better than Mike did since Mike didn't pull it because.
Speaker 3: Michael Prince was Prince was. Prince took from white people
Speaker 3: like because you know, he had the time.
Speaker 1: Prince put out the time.
Speaker 6: Prince James.
Speaker 3: Okay, Prince Prince, but by that time it was over
Speaker 3: to like by the late eighties, they wasn't quite they
Speaker 3: had already kind of hit.
Speaker 4: Their peak because uh cameo Me was a slow version
Speaker 4: of Rick James when I was growing up.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad
Speaker 1: that you would know better than us, But yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: saying just.
Speaker 4: Look at the stage performance, the clothing, the way that
Speaker 4: they all did things that don't even looked like Rick,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But they was all off that funk. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It was a slower version to me. That's
Speaker 1: what Bad didn't have. He didn't have the funk.
Speaker 6: Funk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bad was just hella poppy like Dirty Diner. These
Speaker 3: records are really great pop records. Anchor of talking about
Speaker 3: the Lady in My Life thriller, the way he make
Speaker 3: Billy Jem like those thriller that were like black songs.
Speaker 1: It wasn't bad. And that's what I think with that ship.
Speaker 1: That ship had a lot more pop records early on,
Speaker 1: but GM next is like hella, hella, hella lost as
Speaker 1: this black.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you a question, do you think because
Speaker 5: of how a lot of people felt about Big Steppers
Speaker 5: made him go g next, made him come out.
Speaker 1: No, I just think he made him. This guy made
Speaker 1: him do it. It was on It was on glasses.
Speaker 1: It was on glasses right there, like sounds catch the
Speaker 1: black boy.
Speaker 6: I hate the way that.
Speaker 1: That's what it did sound like to me too. I
Speaker 1: told you big steppers are like a cast scratch of
Speaker 1: the bulls.
Speaker 5: I felt the same way a lot of people felt
Speaker 5: about Big Steppers, a lot of people from you know.
Speaker 3: I think that real and I think, but that's also
Speaker 3: why God is a better artist than I am. Like
Speaker 3: he covers more ground, Like I wouldn't cover that fucking ground,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I keep that between me
Speaker 3: and my own ship. But doc, will you know what
Speaker 3: I feel like he didn't. Do you think he regret
Speaker 3: covering that ground on that?
Speaker 1: No? No, I don't think he really give a think
Speaker 1: he was when you did covering that?
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like a real artist, bro.
Speaker 3: That is like a much more I'm like a real
Speaker 3: street urban culturist that became an artist.
Speaker 1: That is an artist. He always he was a little nigga,
Speaker 1: but he always was an artist. So it's not about
Speaker 1: the end results. It's about him just putting his music. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how it is for him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's not really about where everybody else like it or
Speaker 3: not that Nigga really be making this ship and figuring
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 1: Do you think that was more like a like a
Speaker 1: like a self defining album, which one remember it's like
Speaker 1: Marvin mixed up. Yeah, it's like it's like Marvin Gate
Speaker 1: here my Dear or that or that or that Usher album?
Speaker 1: What's that Usher album? It was a really good album.
Speaker 6: It's Divorced about seventeen Confessions seventeen not confessions.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, the one later it was
Speaker 3: it was it was when he got when he broke
Speaker 3: up with the old lady was deep as it was dope.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I forgot the name.
Speaker 3: To me, It's like Big Steppers is like here, my Dear,
Speaker 3: Like you have to be into the artists to really
Speaker 3: care about the records.
Speaker 1: Like that was something for him and his fans.
Speaker 3: I'm not truly a fanatic Kendrick, like I'm a I'm
Speaker 3: a friend, I'm a fanatic gn X. I'm not a
Speaker 3: fanatic of Kendrick as like he wouldn't be in my
Speaker 3: favorite artist.
Speaker 1: He's just my nigga. That's dope.
Speaker 3: Was a nigga that I think is all time great,
Speaker 3: but he not in my list of niggas that I'm
Speaker 3: listening to, you know what I mean. Kendrick is all
Speaker 3: time great, but that's not my ship.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 3: Gn X is the first dot album that here I
Speaker 3: stand shut out to BV exactly.
Speaker 1: That was another one. Life is Good by nas.
Speaker 3: It's the ones where if you're into the artist, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, that's your album that connects with them.
Speaker 6: I feel like as if as if that that Big
Speaker 6: Stepper was an album where where he gave a voice
Speaker 6: to the voiceless, you know what I'm saying. So it
Speaker 6: was like so the people that that cut and basically
Speaker 6: speak with the city he was saying, like the father
Speaker 6: Time song, the song with the you know what I'm
Speaker 6: saying about his auntie. It was it was given a
Speaker 6: voice right there, but that they didn't have.
Speaker 3: That's not true. That was the biggest conversation in mainstream media.
Speaker 3: That's what I didn't like. It felt too pop.
Speaker 6: So now you felt as if I'm going that way
Speaker 6: right there and made people like it's not more light
Speaker 6: on that ship right there, Like it was a given
Speaker 6: the light was.
Speaker 3: Already shining on it. So he kind of brought his
Speaker 3: positioning into it based off what he was going through.
Speaker 3: So it was all these mainstream topics and things like
Speaker 3: at that time, that was a big thing to talk
Speaker 3: about people being you know, what do you call those?
Speaker 1: What pronouns? That's fucked up?
Speaker 6: It's like.
Speaker 1: Pronouns was big at that time. So I felt like it.
Speaker 1: I felt like that album is his most pop album.
Speaker 1: I know that sounds crazy.
Speaker 5: Do you feel like that album was most pop album?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Four fans like that album, yes, So you think they
Speaker 5: came from his previous album? Was like, man, we really
Speaker 5: want to hear him talk about.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think Dot's core fans is like a very
Speaker 1: mainstream person.
Speaker 3: Do you think that is relevant what's going on? Yeah,
Speaker 3: he know everything. That motherfucker be watching everything.
Speaker 1: Nigga. You said something about Nigga in the third grade.
Speaker 1: He know what you said. So he knows like he
Speaker 1: knows the mood of the people. It's not the mood
Speaker 1: like he's a really autist. Share that is, he's a
Speaker 1: really great artist, bro, Because.
Speaker 3: It's not just the mood of people with him, like
Speaker 3: he finds himself where people are something I'm just really
Speaker 3: figuring out right now. I just figured out how to
Speaker 3: do it right this prime example, this motherfucker knew how
Speaker 3: to do it pretty much since damn he figured out
Speaker 3: like two things.
Speaker 1: I just figured it out right now. I had a
Speaker 1: recordd way before this motherfucker.
Speaker 3: But he studied and pay attention way more so, like
Speaker 3: he found how to align himself at the time where
Speaker 3: it sat and present a perspective. I didn't figure it
Speaker 3: out till Tupac must dieing Really now, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: I see.
Speaker 1: Like I'm working on this idea. Were working on this idea.
Speaker 3: You and Trap were working on this idea, and it's like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, we're gonna take all this shit happening and
Speaker 3: put it into the idea. That never used to happen
Speaker 3: to me before, Like it was always my personal journey
Speaker 3: as an artist, as an artist to reflect what was happening.
Speaker 3: So I think God like, like specifically with you know,
Speaker 3: big steppers, it is like, here, my dear, it shout
Speaker 3: out to hymphisms.
Speaker 1: It is kind of depressing to me when I listened
Speaker 1: to it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: It's very rooted in him. But also remember it's during
Speaker 3: the pandemic. Yes, when this is a big conversation, people
Speaker 3: hurting themselves, Like he knew how to align it. I
Speaker 3: think most of DOTS fans are very like a mainstream
Speaker 3: type of audience versus.
Speaker 1: Like gn X. Even though it's successful, it's not as mainstream.
Speaker 1: The language ain't his mainstream.
Speaker 3: The attitude and his mainstream, but the rec are so
Speaker 3: contagious that they're digestible in a different way.
Speaker 1: That's what I saying.
Speaker 4: It seemed like every time he does this, it's like
Speaker 4: it fits the public, with the public scoring three.
Speaker 1: You know, this is the first time that it didn't
Speaker 1: the hell No, I think this was the public need.
Speaker 1: It's like the public needed this to happen. But this
Speaker 1: is the difference.
Speaker 3: See, he was always framing for what they wanted. This
Speaker 3: is the first time it wasn't about them, and I
Speaker 3: could tell it was about where he was at.
Speaker 1: But he was already prepared for this.
Speaker 6: I was about to say that right there, about to
Speaker 6: say a lot of times he means to he means
Speaker 6: the fans and nothing. I'm saying the listeners where they're at.
Speaker 6: And then you'll come here, yeah yeah, come here, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: I felt like he dropped this album because he felt
Speaker 5: like he needed to drop this album like.
Speaker 3: He was pumped up. He wasn't even pumped up, like
Speaker 3: he got pumped up like a victory lap.
Speaker 1: It wasn't because that's not that. That ain't his temperament.
Speaker 1: Like you're not like that. You won't talk about the battle,
Speaker 1: we just laugh at it.
Speaker 5: Do you think he cares about the streets think about
Speaker 5: his work? And I kind of felt like the streets
Speaker 5: didn't love big Steppers. It almost like he heard that,
Speaker 5: like I need to put this ship out there.
Speaker 6: I agree with your.
Speaker 3: Coach necessarily ever been his thing. I don't think not
Speaker 3: one of them records that was his thing. I don't
Speaker 3: think he really gave a fuck what none of us
Speaker 3: like the streets think. I mean when you start talking
Speaker 3: about streets no, now street urban culture, yes, but not
Speaker 3: the streets.
Speaker 1: This album is.
Speaker 5: But that's what I mean when I say street, streets
Speaker 5: urban culture, but it's different, like this album is really
Speaker 5: for the streets, street urban culture.
Speaker 1: This is the streets.
Speaker 6: This is Yeah. A lot a lot of this album
Speaker 6: came up after that pop out.
Speaker 1: This this is like from my home, just from my home,
Speaker 1: this is where I came from it, but not just that.
Speaker 3: This for every ghetto, Like this is a record where
Speaker 3: he's not trying to tell the ghetto. He's He's like
Speaker 3: this what our mom get down? Versus at first he
Speaker 3: would be trying to be a great example you feel
Speaker 3: me of what it should be. This is like, nigga,
Speaker 3: this is why I'm back, I'm on y'all last.
Speaker 4: Whatever do you think In the beginning he was trying
Speaker 4: to explain itself more than now to other people.
Speaker 1: That was the first thing I told him. When I
Speaker 1: was talking to him, I was like, bro like like
Speaker 1: he was like, man, I had to grow up.
Speaker 5: But this album almost came across like niggas like you were,
Speaker 5: you know, a little disappointed with this album. Was almost
Speaker 5: like niggas like g niggas like that they wasn't really
Speaker 5: feeling that big step of ship.
Speaker 6: Let me.
Speaker 1: But I really like this. I don't think he was
Speaker 1: worried about me the motherfucker doing national tours. But but
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't think my thoughts followed pears. You hear me,
Speaker 3: But big comes always matter.
Speaker 6: But check the credits. Coach e X the album. Check
Speaker 6: the credits telling.
Speaker 1: This part is like this is him. I'm glad y'all
Speaker 1: got him.
Speaker 3: The other ship is him trying to be a better
Speaker 3: version of himself. You're getting him now, this is the
Speaker 3: nigga that I know. See all that other ship is
Speaker 3: him discovering shit about hisself, trying to be a better person,
Speaker 3: that role model.
Speaker 1: Hey hey, hey, fuck that.
Speaker 5: Cut up.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I think he dropped up.
Speaker 9: And he was like, I think as an artist, yeah,
Speaker 9: get cracking nigga. As an artist, there's always.
Speaker 5: Like you thought, like, man, I gotta be more me.
Speaker 5: Maybe he was like, this is the record I gotta
Speaker 5: be more me.
Speaker 3: But this is something I used to always say, Like
Speaker 3: I felt like y'all needed to meet him, Like, I'm
Speaker 3: so glad Drake did that ship he got, Like the
Speaker 3: world got to meet him. Not the version of him
Speaker 3: that he wants you to meet, that's cool, and you
Speaker 3: got to meet who he is. Fucking with him and see,
Speaker 3: this ship can't be cut. This is uncut, like when
Speaker 3: you make it records, you could cut it down and
Speaker 3: digestible this hands off squabble you mean. And then so
Speaker 3: then the attitude came from that into just him making
Speaker 3: records that fit who he is at this time. Like,
Speaker 3: this is by far to me, this is his most
Speaker 3: authentic album.
Speaker 5: I would just about that, ask you that before you
Speaker 5: feel like this and it's you know what the crazy
Speaker 5: thing is? That's really crazy to have your most authentic
Speaker 5: album come this late.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the good Man City way more authentic than
Speaker 3: Good king Man City, way more good kid Mass City
Speaker 3: was more thematic and and.
Speaker 1: Like like I'm going to.
Speaker 3: Present the sophisticated taken to street, urban culture, lifestyle and
Speaker 3: counter like I'm gonna make it artsy. This is like, yeah,
Speaker 3: nigg here we go yesterday something, give you a bunch
Speaker 3: of give you a bunch of music. It hold on yesterday.
Speaker 3: He got songs that this was all his records. Gonna
Speaker 3: have a message.
Speaker 5: That album huh on.
Speaker 1: The g next from the as a main message, sucking.
Speaker 6: With cool cool.
Speaker 1: It's the first.
Speaker 3: Record saying listen, bro, this is by far his greatest
Speaker 3: opening of all. Tell me what's more important. The nigga
Speaker 3: started the song saying this how you started the album yesterday?
Speaker 3: Somebody whacked out my mirror.
Speaker 1: When I heard that first line, I knew he was
Speaker 1: in hours. Turned the radio ship. Okay, yeah, yesterday somebody
Speaker 1: whacked out my mirror. Nigga.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh so even though big Steppers had
Speaker 5: me a little concerned when he said that, I was like,
Speaker 5: are you about to be sad about this?
Speaker 1: Or so? When he did continue, I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: this is Kenna that ship.
Speaker 3: I need him to be strong, Like it's okay to
Speaker 3: project masculine energy, not just in a digestible manner, but
Speaker 3: it's okay to be the unpologetic for sure. And they
Speaker 3: gonna love you your most when you were unapologetic, Nigga,
Speaker 3: they gonna love you. Oh you thought they loved that
Speaker 3: version in you that they thought you was cool and
Speaker 3: a nice guy. And you, oh, they don't know you
Speaker 3: a little confident animal. Show them because if everybody see that,
Speaker 3: you're gonna have your greatest shit now, people gonna be
Speaker 3: looking at you crazy because they they ain't gonna quite know.
Speaker 1: But Nigga, show them, Nigga, be like you he really
Speaker 1: that nigga? Like, Nigga, you really a nigga fool like
Speaker 1: you get cracking?
Speaker 3: Show them, show them that's what I'm screaming at by
Speaker 3: show them stop playing fuck all that nigga, get to it,
Speaker 3: make this shit happen.
Speaker 1: So this album right here, he was the most comfortable
Speaker 1: with being himself. And that's what he said.
Speaker 5: He tried to grow up, mature, He had the maturity,
Speaker 5: tried to grow up because that's all.
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's the best thing, bro, Like, that's the
Speaker 3: best thing, like him being unapologetically him. It's nothing wrong
Speaker 3: with the lead with inspiration and ideas and being greater,
Speaker 3: but it's okay also to just beat us.
Speaker 5: Let me ask your question. You as an artist when
Speaker 5: you heard that out gn X, did you did you say, Okay,
Speaker 5: hold him now?
Speaker 1: First listen. I told Trump, I said this is the
Speaker 1: best album before. But did you did it inspire you
Speaker 1: as artists?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: Okay, I inspired that as an artist, But it's hard
Speaker 3: for somebody in hip hop that inspire me, even adopte
Speaker 3: niggas like Kendrick or jay Z at this point that
Speaker 3: none of them niggas can really inspire me at this point.
Speaker 1: So where do you get inspiration from? Arry White? That's it.
Speaker 3: I've been listening to very White war Ain't no ain't
Speaker 3: in there. Hip hop can inspire me no more. I
Speaker 3: feel that this is past that like I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 3: at the core black music, like now I'm at the
Speaker 3: hardest shoal of it, Like I'm playing all kinds of
Speaker 3: fly shit. I'm playing nigga, I'm playing Stevie Wonder nigga,
Speaker 3: like for real. And I'm like, and I don't make
Speaker 3: a rap song that's like this, That's like I came
Speaker 3: up with idea for a song that was like, uh,
Speaker 3: I was made to love you.
Speaker 1: It's nothing, nothing like that, but it's like that.
Speaker 5: So do you feel like your next album you drop
Speaker 5: is gonna be soft food?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if I'm gonna do an album.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if I question something. I don't know,
Speaker 3: But I tell you one thing. The next song I'm
Speaker 3: about to drop, I just got it mixed. That motherfucker
Speaker 3: or you feel me?
Speaker 6: And it ain't.
Speaker 3: I don't can't nobody tell me nothing about hip hop
Speaker 3: no more like you know what I mean? Like I
Speaker 3: love it too much. I'm realizing most people don't love
Speaker 3: it enough to be talking to me about it, And
Speaker 3: I have no idea. They don't have no business talking
Speaker 3: to me about this. They don't love this shit like me.
Speaker 3: Don't talk to me about it. If you it's like
Speaker 3: a nigga that don't really love it. Like nigga, you
Speaker 3: can't talk to me because you want you don't. You
Speaker 3: ain't finna go through what I'm finna go through to
Speaker 3: do it. Nigga, I'm making signs for videos, pickets, signs
Speaker 3: like I love it. It ain't about no money, it
Speaker 3: ain't about none of that.
Speaker 5: But this will love.
Speaker 3: You have to develop though, right, Yeah, I didn't love
Speaker 3: it at first. I didn't know nothing about it, but
Speaker 3: now that I do, like, I'm gonna keep looking. So
Speaker 3: all you can do is tell me where to go.
Speaker 3: But really there's no more space for hip hop to
Speaker 3: truly inspire me.
Speaker 5: So so so what you're saying all this your best
Speaker 5: music is to come.
Speaker 1: You think your music is in front of you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because even the shit that you I've heard from
Speaker 5: you that's coming out and all the other ship, this
Speaker 5: shit is like by yo and yo shit is dope
Speaker 5: to me. Look all your ship, but this shit is on.
Speaker 3: Some now because now it's like if you listening to
Speaker 3: very white bro, if you listening to real like black
Speaker 3: music at this court, Marvin Gay, I'm I'm just off
Speaker 3: of like some shit for me.
Speaker 1: So it's like like it's the only greatness that could
Speaker 1: fuck with it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Like it's.
Speaker 3: I'm past rappers, not like better or worse than I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm past rappers being inspiration. Like I don't even see
Speaker 3: them as something to emulate anymore. I'm emulating Marvin Gay
Speaker 3: as a rapper, like just like my predecessors, Just like
Speaker 3: the original guys when they didn't have rap to look to,
Speaker 3: they had to be you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 3: they had a limited amount of rap, like I would
Speaker 3: imagine Scarface, you know, could see a lot more Gil Scott,
Speaker 3: Jill Scott hearing than run dmc.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 5: Earlier on in the conversation, somebody asked, who would this
Speaker 5: guy be in hip hop? Like we were doing R
Speaker 5: and B and they were like, who this gotta be
Speaker 5: in hip hop? Forgot the name they were using. Do
Speaker 5: you feel like at this point in time, you you
Speaker 5: the burier right of hip because it's.
Speaker 3: The only thing that makes sense. Nothing else great enough,
Speaker 3: even the niggas that's great, like dog in Them and
Speaker 3: Whole and Face, the guys I love Kanye, that's not
Speaker 3: great enough. Like this is not no more where you
Speaker 3: put Ken Kendrick. If he was, he's probably in them conversations.
Speaker 3: For sure, he's in the conversations.
Speaker 1: Who would he be that that name? Oh, he'd be
Speaker 1: the the al Green with Who would he be right now?
Speaker 1: If I had to pick an act.
Speaker 3: In comedy, he'd be Daz Japel mhmm, right to me,
Speaker 3: Like he just got it pegged down and in R
Speaker 3: and B music or music outside of hip hop.
Speaker 1: Probably Marvin Gay.
Speaker 5: You think, so, Yeah, Yeah, it's funny because that's who
Speaker 5: I envisioned him.
Speaker 3: When I hear him, it is probably like Marvin Gay,
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, Like I think early
Speaker 3: Marvin Gay sacrifice a lot of stuff to make sure
Speaker 3: people understood what he was doing. But I think when
Speaker 3: he caught his stride, it was like and he was
Speaker 3: always successful. You know, he was making hit records. He
Speaker 3: hadn't hit records.
Speaker 1: He was popping.
Speaker 3: But he reminds me of Marvin Gay, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. Like he's like he like he found this
Speaker 3: level of soul at a time when it was really needed.
Speaker 3: It wasn't manufactured like like this like this is legit,
Speaker 3: like this ain't even like other like people saying he
Speaker 3: just went West Coast. Like even the musicianship of adding
Speaker 3: basis like a lot of music is just you know,
Speaker 3: not muster muster, get busy, but a lot of other
Speaker 3: West Coast music it's kind of eight a ways and melodies.
Speaker 3: They don't really use the base or that frequency anymore.
Speaker 3: Like and for him to kind of go put that
Speaker 3: frequency in all that music, like it's like Marvin Gay
Speaker 3: to me, you know what I mean, Like like he
Speaker 3: like he been successful the whole time, Like Marvin Gay
Speaker 3: was successful, we had records. But man, towards the end
Speaker 3: of his career, you really could see this China wind
Speaker 3: of unapologetic nigga that was like hell of dope. And
Speaker 3: I think with Dot, you know, even if this is
Speaker 3: the last album, I think we got like the most
Speaker 3: unapologetic nigga in the world, and we got a nigga
Speaker 3: when the world needed a nigga too.
Speaker 1: But why are you okay last album? You think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be his last album? I don't know, shit, it depends.
Speaker 1: I think he needs to be motivated to create.
Speaker 3: I don't think he like this ain't the business, Like
Speaker 3: he makes business out of music, but that ain't his business,
Speaker 3: Like I think his business is raising his kids and
Speaker 3: living his life.
Speaker 1: He made enough money to be fund you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: He's straight, so it'll be hard for him to motivate
Speaker 3: himself for money, you know what I mean, or just
Speaker 3: to put out another album, like he would have to
Speaker 3: have like a story that he wants to tell. And
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, you know, I don't know
Speaker 3: what motivated him at this point. How do you get
Speaker 3: motivated after this? Usually people get motivated after this because
Speaker 3: of money, But like now, you you already made money.
Speaker 1: You already had a national tour for me this.
Speaker 3: You have multiple national arena tours, You have multiple number
Speaker 3: ones before this, and now you finally just hit the pinnacle. Like, right,
Speaker 3: you just super Bowl five games for one song, give
Speaker 3: me arena tour? Like what motivates you after this to
Speaker 3: kind of really make music? Like you you're finna spend
Speaker 3: a lot of time away from your family, right, You're
Speaker 3: finna be on this role. He already spent a lot
Speaker 3: of time away from his family now, so it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, they don't want to raise his kids and
Speaker 3: all of that that shit mattered to him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do want to say this about uh our
Speaker 5: Mount rush Moore, the no feelings around Mount Rushmore. I think,
Speaker 5: I honestly think it might be the best route Mount
Speaker 5: worsh Moore that could be put put together. They think
Speaker 5: it's gonna be the best. I'm interested to see other
Speaker 5: people my mind worsh More, but I don't think it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna be better than ours. I think that what you say,
Speaker 1: we got the best one, I think we got the
Speaker 1: best one.
Speaker 5: I'm really I want to see others, but I think
Speaker 5: that I think those are the two best Mount rush.
Speaker 1: More for the male female for sure, male female male.
Speaker 1: I feel yeah, I feel like it's like both of
Speaker 1: the other best.
Speaker 5: Those are the best Mounts Rushmore.
Speaker 3: Shout out to the diamond Back Photography to Homy, what's up, Brodie,
Speaker 3: thank you for the two dollars. What's your rating for
Speaker 3: Maya vocally? I have already heard enough of mine singing.
Speaker 3: Immediately the six come to mind, but she's probably better.
Speaker 1: What do you think you're six? Maya vocally? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: haven't heard enough of her singing, but because of y'all,
Speaker 1: like I heard, it makes me think of a six seven? Yeah,
Speaker 1: six seven is fair?
Speaker 3: Theyself love thank you for the two dollars. Play take
Speaker 3: him on the deep dive of Brandy.
Speaker 1: I got you all a copella too. I don't want
Speaker 1: no fucking music. I'm gonna shave you. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: shave the ropes. Bro.
Speaker 3: Thank you Diamond Back Photograpy for that five dollars. The
Speaker 3: instrumental that John Mure is a masterpiece. Sound Way made
Speaker 3: that beat with Cocoa Leve's I'm Crying They'll Find example
Speaker 3: was beautifully crafty.
Speaker 1: Nigga.
Speaker 3: I remember sound Wave was whack, so I hit South
Speaker 3: Wave on the DM. I was like, man, I'm so
Speaker 3: proud of you.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 3: He got so dope, man, Him and Ali, them niggas
Speaker 3: got hello dope. That's young and devoted. They've been devoted,
Speaker 3: so all the best things should happen to them. Man,
Speaker 3: they hello dope. Shout out to Nick, thank you for
Speaker 3: that five dollars. Shout out to g and the lunch
Speaker 3: table east side that port yep wes. Shout out to
Speaker 3: Mow they self love for the two dollars. No, mister
Speaker 3: Morale slander I just slander it. I just said it
Speaker 3: sounded like cash scratching paper.
Speaker 6: That what's that? What's that?
Speaker 5: He's saying that he don't get I don't think it's
Speaker 5: that bad. He thinks if he's telling the truth to himself,
Speaker 5: if it's a glasses fact, it means.
Speaker 1: Is it really slander, super stretching. It wasn't like a
Speaker 1: pain when y'all listen to the album, Like we argue
Speaker 1: with the lady on that solid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not my favorite, the cards trap off that you
Speaker 3: dirty ass bitch, you punk ass, that's your I.
Speaker 6: Said, only had to hear it one time and recognize
Speaker 6: how great it was. Trap.
Speaker 5: You listened to it one time because there was nothing
Speaker 5: else play backable, Like you didn't want to listen.
Speaker 1: That ship hurt that ship like I listen to it.
Speaker 3: That's the thing about Doc, Like I listened to all
Speaker 3: the albums at least a couple of times straight through,
Speaker 3: right because he that type of artist. Damn was my
Speaker 3: Damn was my Probably the it was the second or
Speaker 3: third best one section eighty was up there see your
Speaker 3: next by far as just the ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew I wasn't gonna like big steppers when.
Speaker 3: See and that's weird to me. Shout out to Moses.
Speaker 3: He said, we cried together. It's fire, just fire, wouldn't
Speaker 3: be the thing I would describe to speak on that song.
Speaker 3: I know, like fire Bro, I didnt know.
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna like the big Steppers when too many
Speaker 1: young kids like that, like I'm more depressed, motherfucker. Yes,
Speaker 1: too many Step and six on me.
Speaker 6: You heard father niggas.
Speaker 3: You gotta appreciate his range as an artist. I do
Speaker 3: appreciate as an artistry as an artist. I'm a huge
Speaker 3: Kanye West fan.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you six six and Trap yeap, what's
Speaker 5: better Big Steppers or g next to y'all.
Speaker 1: They're completely different albums for different albums, but one is
Speaker 1: better than others to y'all.
Speaker 9: It's literally just completely It's like comparing the Power Forward
Speaker 9: to a point Guard shout.
Speaker 3: Out to and I'm listening to that motherfucker. Now, gee,
Speaker 3: you listen to this nigga argue with this lady on
Speaker 3: this song in the middle of this. You a sick nigga, Bro.
Speaker 6: You just like you.
Speaker 9: I'll admit the argument part is a little much, but
Speaker 9: that that I can't pick that one moment and judged
Speaker 9: the whole album for that.
Speaker 1: But the whole album is sad. Yeah, But I mean
Speaker 1: some people are said I understand.
Speaker 3: That's that's why I said it sound like the pain
Speaker 3: of cat scratching papers like shout out to thank You
Speaker 3: for Do Dollars, my favorite album still in rotation all day.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 1: I played that ship two or three times. That was it, Jack,
Speaker 1: he said, I hate to say it being from Watts,
Speaker 1: but I like J Cole over K DO. That's not crazy,
Speaker 1: Actually not crazy. That's not crazy.
Speaker 6: Go ahead and they I think that.
Speaker 1: Out there. I see y'all Friday, man.
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