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Speaker 1: So many people that in the sports world that come

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Speaker 4: Okay, man, Doors just talk about the boys. Sneal from

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Speaker 4: the Los Angeles Dodgers. That's heard a picture Tony Sneill.

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Speaker 5: Uh yeah, you're talking about uh yeah, Brett he's playing

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Speaker 5: for Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but he's from Seattle and we were just talking

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Speaker 4: He sponsors a love Seattle Select team up there right now.

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Speaker 4: That that's where the bats came up at because this

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Speaker 5: I know it's some dudes from Seattle for sure. You

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Speaker 5: know that because I know, uh, Jamal Carver from Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Who else from Seattle?

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Speaker 5: Uh, it's it's it's it's some guards that came from

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Speaker 1: From the NBA, Bradley Beal from Tacoma.

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Speaker 5: Oh, Brady to come yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: You know, but Isaiah Thomas from Yeah, he's from Seattle.

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Speaker 6: What saying? How many sports players come from up there?

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Speaker 1: Man, they got mc breed, I mean know, they got

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Speaker 1: to mix a lot. Well, yeah, it's about sports. He

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Speaker 1: was talking about sports people. King is from Brandon Roy,

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Speaker 1: He from Washington. Brandon Roy Brennon Roy from Seattle.

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Speaker 5: Brandon Roy might have been the might have been the

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Speaker 5: He's not better than Brandon Roy.

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Speaker 1: From Seattle, like Brandon Roy and his prime before he

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Speaker 6: Crazy? What's good? Joah?

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Speaker 1: What's happening?

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Speaker 6: I'm not trying cooling man and ready for the Ready

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Speaker 6: for the ready?

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Speaker 1: You know, I think it's time we doubled back. You

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Speaker 3: And this conversation became bigger than we wanted it to be,

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Speaker 1: What's the crack hea for Mount Rushmore? That's a great question. Well,

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Speaker 3: Well, I just want to expand further on the conversation

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Speaker 3: because I wouldn't have Mike in R and B, okay.

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Speaker 5: Because I want to ask you about that, because when

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Speaker 5: what what's the crack here for R and B? And

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Speaker 5: what's so is Mike R and B? Because I know

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Speaker 1: Makes pop music a lot, but he does have R

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Speaker 3: You're making popular when the goal is to make popular, Okay.

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Speaker 3: So R and B initially was considered race music, right,

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Speaker 1: I don't think people understand what R and B means,

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Speaker 1: So can you explain that rhythm and blues? Okay?

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Speaker 3: Right, So it's like but Lewis Jordan right as being

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Speaker 3: But I just I wouldn't have thought that deep, So

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Speaker 3: I'm not mad at it. I do think pop music

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Speaker 7: Almost wow search stature popularity, no, no, no, And I

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Speaker 7: think that's just so so when you don't make music,

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Speaker 3: It's like whatever goes popular becomes pop music. But some

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Speaker 3: music was actually created to be popular for the mast

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Speaker 4: For everybody, like not just one sector of people, for everybody.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like like like like Kentucky Fried Chicken was

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Speaker 3: Jackson has R and B songs, but I wouldn't consider

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Speaker 1: No, it's different, like because remember the time, right, that's

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Speaker 1: But songs like Thriller that's kind of pop, right, it's

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Speaker 6: Beat it so is Lady of My Life? What is

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Speaker 6: what is Lady of my Life?

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Speaker 1: Lady my Life?

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Speaker 5: Is r B?

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Speaker 1: For sure?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, lady, that's who you used that? Yeah, yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: just so, it's just so weird. Thing is pop derived

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Speaker 1: Said, no, I think pop the rash from soul?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so so music, Ray Charles wouldn't be R and

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Speaker 3: the father of soul. R and B is before, So

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Speaker 5: Would you consider uh uh.

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Speaker 1: Little Richard. See, I would have thought he was rock

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Speaker 3: All of these things are really small, nuanced things that

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Speaker 3: Mike as a as a great art like, well, forgive me,

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Speaker 3: that's not the right time, because he's a great R

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Speaker 3: so many dope ass people that have a bigger and

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Speaker 3: better R and B catalog of music than Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 1: It's not not so many neither that was off the

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Speaker 1: wall was off the wall R and B album Now

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Speaker 1: it's post disco like disco.

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Speaker 3: It did R and B songs, So but there are talents, right,

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Speaker 3: and that's why we gotta really look at the eighties

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Speaker 1: I wonder who they say put out the first R

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Speaker 1: about the eighties.

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Speaker 5: Though.

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Speaker 1: In the eighties when you think it was really blossoming

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Speaker 3: Now they consider the first R and B superstar, Bobby Brown,

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Speaker 1: That's the kind of widely considered thought, at least amongst people.

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Speaker 1: Uh, what's the time I'm thinking about the traps?

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Speaker 6: Damn.

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Speaker 3: It's like see, So while my favorite R and B

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Speaker 6: That is so crazy.

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Speaker 5: Crazy trap that was crazy when he told me that,

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Speaker 3: And don't get wrong, because it's not because you don't

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Speaker 3: have to be the artist like it's not. Jamie Fox

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Speaker 3: It goes to that conversation where like when we say,

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Speaker 3: last favor? And I can tell y'all bet Bad is

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Speaker 3: a better album than Make It Last fact it is.

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Speaker 3: Right now, that sounds crazy because Bad is obviously Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 3: It don't mean Keith Sweat is a more successful artist

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Speaker 5: But it just means, like how you put it up

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Speaker 5: for TC, put a number on Bad as a as

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Speaker 3: The bad single is whack. Okay, so the single bad

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Speaker 6: No, no, I got New York City train shut the

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Speaker 5: Growing up in Inglewood, I'm watching this video and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I didn't get it. I didn't get it.

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Speaker 3: Bad Hell No, I had to think about before I thought.

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Speaker 3: I never until you just said that, I was like,

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Speaker 6: That was That was J Street bro or train station

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Speaker 3: No bad ship I saw on train stations from hip hop.

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Speaker 3: I would have never in my life thought of Bad.

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Speaker 6: That was an amazing video. That was an amazing video.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm not mad, I think look I think Bad.

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Speaker 3: I think Make It Last for Ever is a better

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Speaker 1: It launched a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 3: I mean Michael Jackson thought Bad was so good he

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Speaker 1: I'm going to Teddy Riley. That's a fact. He was

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Speaker 3: He did that so that he saw that Keith Sweat,

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Speaker 1: Let's go do this.

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Speaker 3: That's how much he thought Bad and Make It Last

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Speaker 3: saw make It Last Forever whooping his ass. Because Megan

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Speaker 3: Last Forever is better than Bad. I've been saying this

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Speaker 3: I don't think you as a song the album.

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Speaker 6: It's an album.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm not rolling. He check out. Now you're

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Speaker 6: Two years about this man and girl, it's better than

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Speaker 5: I'm not rolling.

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Speaker 6: Not Bery and Girl. Nigga's volunten song of the album,

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Speaker 6: I want Her.

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Speaker 1: It's better than every song on Bad. Yeah, man, I

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Speaker 6: On Bad Bad.

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Speaker 1: That's overrated guys very much.

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Speaker 6: So are you saying you're saying Bad is the best

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Speaker 1: No, not Bad Bad.

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Speaker 6: Bad, I mean I mean make a last feather. No,

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Speaker 6: that's that's his Confession A better Confessions. I forgot? Is

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no it's not better. No it's not.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, because I feel like, uh, off the Wall

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and that's what we talk about. The quant

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Speaker 3: and iHeart Look as far as that Man's mind rushmore.

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Speaker 3: I think R Kelly and Us should really have a

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Speaker 3: Like R Kelly easily could be there all time, Like

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Speaker 3: that wouldn't even be crazy, Like I wouldn't even debate

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Speaker 1: R Kelly is the Grads R and B actor. It's

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Speaker 1: R Kelly like he's a monster. Can I ask you

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Speaker 5: Do we sleep on babyface when we start talking about

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Speaker 1: My first one because we talk about artists are the

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Speaker 3: R Kelly and Usher really has a claim to probably

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Speaker 5: If we talking about artists, if we just straight up artistry, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: then Michael Jackson's claim is stronger than Stevie.

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Speaker 9: I don't know, man, because I think how Stevie Wonder

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Speaker 9: that Michael Jackson's artistry baby Face back in the conversation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Chris Brown on that list, Michael Jackson. I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying not pure R and B like you know,

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Speaker 3: a is a subgenre of R and B because it's

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Speaker 3: it's hard for me not to imagine the world without

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Speaker 6: That's my favorite album of all time right there.

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Speaker 3: That's really tough, Like that's the that's kind of the

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Speaker 3: jit Like that's R and B and soul like kind

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Speaker 1: So when does R and B change? I think R

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Speaker 1: the eighties. Okay, that's what you were saying, coach.

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Speaker 3: Because I think we look at a lot of other

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Speaker 1: So what changed in R and B in the eighties?

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Speaker 1: It just got pure.

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Speaker 3: I think they changed it to contemporary army where it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a little more edgy.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not upset at that, but I just couldn't

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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the most important.

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Speaker 3: And if that's the case, then we are we If

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Speaker 3: put prints in it. So we're gonna put them all

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me, it's really tough for Chris Brown, and it's

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Speaker 3: really gonna start being tough for us. You're and R Kelly,

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Speaker 3: because now if you're just gonna take all of this

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Speaker 3: and you gotta put Prince now do R Kelly got

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Speaker 3: an album as great as let's say, Purple Rain, Probably not.

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Speaker 1: That's who R Kelly.

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Speaker 6: Probably that Double.

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Speaker 5: Purple, that Double us City called the game Trap was

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Speaker 6: All one that was rending black, the one that was

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Speaker 5: Because I know he got one with like thirty thirty

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Speaker 5: just and I think that Purple Rain, Man the Rain

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Speaker 3: So what I'm saying, so this becomes my problem, right, It's like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: if we're not gonna try to do pure R and

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Speaker 1: Oh that's crazy. I was gonna ask that question.

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Speaker 5: Was known as race at first, that take white people

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Speaker 1: I think it brought race. I think it brought white

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Speaker 1: of an artist named John Billion? Of course, that's one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite artists.

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Speaker 5: Bro Okay, I love John Billions.

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Speaker 3: I really don't like the only white singers I like.

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Speaker 3: I can't say that. I don't really consider most white

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Speaker 3: Darryl Hall, some of these dudes, like, it's some that

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Speaker 3: really get cracking. But I just saint Finnish, like Mariah Carey.

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Speaker 3: That's out forgive me, Bobby can't. I've got a couple

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Speaker 3: of songs Bob in there. Bob got that tone. But

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Speaker 3: like that's my point. So Michael McDonald, yep, yep, Michael,

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Speaker 3: see like you have to start putting Michael McDonald, dude, brother, you.

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Speaker 1: Start talking some shit gonna get crazy.

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Speaker 5: I don't think we go all the way back, like

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Speaker 5: you said, you might have to start with in the eighties.

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Speaker 1: Start at the eighties.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to Mark Gear, Shout out to everybody at

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Speaker 3: the lunch table, everybody cooking early, because is like, oh,

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Speaker 3: were on this conversation.

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Speaker 1: I knew this conversation is gonna be crazy. Softie, what's up?

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Speaker 6: Eight?

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Speaker 1: And age fast? Boss? What's up? Rough Squish? Thank you

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Speaker 1: for being here? V what's the deal? Bro?

447
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Speaker 3: Joey Westside, thank you for moderating, Santy Squisch Lext what's

448
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Speaker 3: ut up next?

449
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Speaker 1: I expect you to call in on this conversation. Boss.

450
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Speaker 3: I know I'm gonna piss you off a little bit,

451
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Speaker 3: but just work with me. Yato name, what's happening? Cool,

452
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 3: what's the deal? We're gonna get to it. Let me

453
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Speaker 3: get going because there's a lot of people cooking at

454
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Speaker 3: the table, so I can't go through all the names.

455
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Speaker 3: Thank y'all for being here because we're trying to work

456
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Speaker 3: it out. Trying to work it out. No, I think

457
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Speaker 3: Mariah is a great singer for like a white person.

458
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Speaker 6: Shit ladies, man, come on.

459
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Speaker 1: You no, like you know what I mean? No, she's

460
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Speaker 1: the no So I see what you are.

461
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Speaker 6: Ryan can't saying I never see highlight that comment.

462
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Speaker 1: Ro can't. Nobody here said I did not.

463
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Speaker 6: See you said Brandy can't tell? You said Brandy can't

464
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Speaker 6: The other day I did not say Brandy the minus

465
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Speaker 6: well the might as well said that. You might as

466
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Speaker 6: well said that.

467
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Speaker 3: No, I did not say. Brandy said she was a seventh.

468
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Speaker 3: You said she was assessing and she was an eight.

469
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Speaker 6: Same thing, it's the same thing.

470
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Speaker 1: It's Wheeney Houston and Many Rippleton is tens.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so that's cap So when Winnie Howston is a ten,

472
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Speaker 5: what's cap Miny Rippleton is like a seven?

473
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Speaker 6: No no, no, no, no no, no, coach, coach, coach.

474
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Speaker 1: I know you don't know that, but I had to

475
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Speaker 1: go back. I had to go back and listen to

476
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Speaker 1: many like you talking about a ten. She's not what

477
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Speaker 1: is wrong with your ears?

478
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Speaker 5: I'm talking about vocally, she's not a ten like she

479
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Speaker 5: had a great song.

480
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Speaker 6: Let let's let him cook for let him cook for

481
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Speaker 6: a while.

482
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Speaker 5: Women, six six mini Rippleton vocally is a ten ripper ripper.

483
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Speaker 1: Ten is attend to you?

484
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Speaker 5: What vocally?

485
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Speaker 1: Finish your thought? And then I'll expound.

486
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Speaker 9: No, I'm I'm asking, yeah, yeah, yeah, anywhere it's crazy.

487
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Speaker 1: So, women, what song?

488
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Speaker 6: What song? Was she?

489
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Speaker 1: Vocally? So great on.

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Speaker 5: That last He Got He Got Touched the memory? Just

491
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Speaker 5: play loving You, I do play. It's one of her

492
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Speaker 5: best songs. And what are ya getting from that? To

493
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Speaker 5: where she's a ten vocally she.

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Speaker 1: Had a whistlebody else and music that she had a whistle. Nothing, nobody,

495
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Speaker 1: nobody else in music can do it. I knew it.

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Speaker 1: I knew that what y'all thinking all the way Mariah

497
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Speaker 1: carry and in that case the Malaya's for sure.

498
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Speaker 3: But Maria is not Many. That's the problem with your

499
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Speaker 3: This is like me watching basketball. You're watching basket. I

500
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Speaker 3: look at somebody cross over and notice it's just across over.

501
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Speaker 3: You see the nuances is a ten? Many carry cannot

502
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Speaker 3: hold nothing is Diana Russell?

503
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Speaker 9: Then also here we got this how I got out

504
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Speaker 9: of the pocket last.

505
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Speaker 1: Week because you just out of control and so and

506
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Speaker 1: so I said, it's only crazy and not many, not

507
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Speaker 1: one of them.

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Speaker 3: Many, for sure. Every single will tell you Mini's a ten.

509
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Speaker 3: Every single breathing air will tell you.

510
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Speaker 1: Every single will tell you Brandy is a ten too.

511
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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so okay, so exactly so, And I gotta

512
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Speaker 5: go with six on that if many rippertains attend.

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Speaker 1: Brandy can't do what many does. She can't whistle, Okay, cool,

514
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Speaker 1: it's not she's singing all right, that she can't whistle.

515
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Speaker 9: We can't we can't say like just because this person

516
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Speaker 9: can't do like they don't have the exact they don't

517
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Speaker 9: have to have the exact same skill set to be

518
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Speaker 9: a ten.

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Speaker 6: I agree.

520
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Speaker 1: I agree all the time, Like what is happening?

521
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Speaker 3: I know, I'll tell you all the time because you

522
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Speaker 3: pay all the diversity and I'm telling you it's not

523
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Speaker 3: You could do one thing and be the best at

524
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Speaker 3: it and be a team I'm not Like Anita Baker

525
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Speaker 3: is probably the closest to a tend but it's all low.

526
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Speaker 1: Octive and I do I agree with that.

527
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Speaker 3: Or you could have a top octave right like like

528
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Speaker 3: Bobby de Barge right and switch.

529
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Speaker 5: I agree with that, But I'm just saying if, but

530
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Speaker 5: if you're going to call many Ripperton attend and there's

531
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Speaker 5: some other people that you left out, then.

532
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Speaker 1: That no, you just have bad ears.

533
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Speaker 3: I'm saying you don't know way you can listen to

534
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Speaker 3: many Ripperton and don't think to yourself that realized this

535
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Speaker 3: is kind of like a one.

536
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Speaker 5: I think that she's a great I think she has

537
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Speaker 5: great songs and she don't really.

538
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Speaker 1: Have she don't really have a lot of great songs

539
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 1: are great? A great song?

540
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 3: You talk about her vote vocally as a monster. She's

541
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Speaker 3: like a real deal vocalist.

542
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Speaker 5: Okay, cool, cool cool. I think she does that one thing.

543
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Speaker 5: I think she's in her lane. She got her lane

544
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Speaker 5: and she does that very well.

545
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Speaker 1: That's the thing. She don't have a lane. Hers is variety.

546
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. She she covered the spectrum. She like yo,

547
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: Lebron James. What anyway, she's like a spectrum. My ears

548
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: are bad, man, Let's move it on there. That's cool.

549
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 5: Apparently all y'all think she's a ten, so I'm out.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a cracking pa Bell is probably a ten.

551
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Speaker 1: Pal Belt is a ten.

552
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Speaker 5: Team for sure.

553
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Speaker 3: But but the point I was making was, this is

554
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Speaker 3: a real weird conversation because we're trying to decide.

555
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Speaker 1: Are we calling everything in R and B?

556
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Speaker 3: Since since all of the sub genres right, which could

557
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Speaker 3: be sold, which could be pop, which could be funk,

558
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 3: which could be all of these things kind of come

559
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Speaker 3: from the original rhythm and blues.

560
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: Once you got past gospel.

561
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Speaker 3: So it's like, even when I look at a Michael Jackson, right,

562
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Speaker 3: it's like, Michael Jackson made more pop songs and R

563
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Speaker 3: and B something me wrong. His R and B songs

564
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: is fire, right, But I'm just saying, it's people that

565
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 3: have really dope pop some and he's one of them.

566
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Speaker 3: Who's your top five white soul singers?

567
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Speaker 6: You know, he don't toe into that. He don't toe

568
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Speaker 6: into that too much as that one. You know, I'm

569
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 6: toning to that too much. They don't carry souls, so

570
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Speaker 6: he ain't gonna listen to that, right am? I? Right?

571
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Speaker 6: Am I? Right?

572
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: Glasses? My favorite five soul singers white one.

573
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 3: Only so many white people were sold it is it

574
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Speaker 3: favorite five white songs? Okay, so personally my favorite five,

575
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Speaker 3: right is is Daryl Hall. Daryl Hall got the best

576
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: voice of any white person ever. I fucking love Darryl Hall. Boys, Daryl,

577
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 3: I wish I actually sang like Daryl Hall. Darryl Hall

578
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: is the ship. Number two, remember Daryl Hall?

579
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Speaker 6: Clip this please?

580
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Speaker 3: I think you did, because it's gonna be really tough

581
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Speaker 3: like number two. The Little Lady out of It that

582
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Speaker 3: Rick James put on Tina right, tanum reed, for sure,

583
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Speaker 3: that's that's.

584
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Speaker 1: The real deal. Okay, Now just voice.

585
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Speaker 3: Bobby called, well, he ain't got that many songs that

586
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Speaker 3: I really jam, but Bobby called withell voice is fire.

587
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Speaker 1: M right.

588
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: Number four is Michael McDonald mm hmm. Best voice and soul,

589
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Speaker 3: put some soul in there. And number five Elton John

590
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: m hmm.

591
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 6: Okay, Phil Collins or nothing. I think. I think I say,

592
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Speaker 6: George Michaels some ship like.

593
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Speaker 1: George on that man, No Elton, John, el Jonathan.

594
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Speaker 6: Go out and go.

595
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Speaker 3: I don't really think that's how I like. Like listening

596
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: to Brian Carey is like listening to like a diet

597
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 3: version of Minnie Riperton. They always called it a little

598
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: that's missing when she goes up there, it's like a

599
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 3: soul that's missing.

600
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. That's my five favorite white

601
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Speaker 1: soul sing They got sould so no female white females.

602
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: You just didn't okay, you don't.

603
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Speaker 6: Mess with that. He don't mess with that.

604
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Speaker 3: He don't mess no, no, no, no no no. Adale

605
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Speaker 3: is cool for like a white singer.

606
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Speaker 6: Mm hmman song.

607
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: If her sisters sang like Adele, I wouldn't even listen

608
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Speaker 3: to her.

609
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: Hey, let me ask you, where were you? Where's like

610
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: every sister walking down? Where'd y'all put Celine Dion vocally?

611
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: You can sing for a white lady?

612
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm a glass on that one.

613
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Speaker 1: What was the Mexican girl. Back in the days he

614
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: used to sing.

615
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Speaker 6: Selena, talking about what's Selena? No no no coming, no

616
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Speaker 6: no no, no no no. He's talking about talking about

617
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Speaker 6: Lera who to be cracking for white man. I was

618
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Speaker 6: talking about the incredible.

619
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Speaker 1: Some of it. Look some of them white ladies, white lady.

620
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Speaker 5: But all these all those white ladies you just named

621
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Speaker 5: are are what you're talking about as far as know.

622
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Speaker 5: So they don't they got so they got sol for

623
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 5: like white people. Yeah, white people. So white people they

624
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 5: don't sound.

625
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: Like got sold.

626
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 5: Tina Tina, Tina, Tina got it is bad.

627
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Speaker 3: That's a bad motherfucker. That's that's tinam Ree is a

628
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: real deal. Yeah, ain't nobody gonna play with Teena Marie.

629
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Speaker 1: That's real. I like wine House voice shout out to

630
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: the lunch tape. I like Amy, that was cool. I

631
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: feel like.

632
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: Listening to Amy wine House like like a very diet

633
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: light minute made version of like.

634
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: Nina Simone.

635
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 6: I was thinking the same thing. That's a second jazz

636
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 6: like I think the thing that's that's what it feels like.

637
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: When I listened to uh, Amy Winehouse, It's like, yeah,

638
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: what about Robin Think?

639
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Speaker 3: I like Rob Robin think is a dope white singer.

640
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 3: You can sing, period, but that's for white people. He's

641
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: gonna be like a nine now on just black singers,

642
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: he like a six.

643
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: I know you gonna kill me for this.

644
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 5: But j T, that's like j was a better singer

645
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 5: until he got on the stage with Brian mcnott.

646
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah you realize it. Yeah, it was different, Like j

647
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: T was a good singer than Brian.

648
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 6: He they did.

649
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 5: You know, they got a song together, they got the

650
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 5: stage of performing. I was there alive, and it was different.

651
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 5: It was idam. He can't even say that.

652
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't want to see That's what I'm saying

653
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 3: with like John, Beyonce is probably like a seven or eight.

654
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: If Brian you're gonna get drugged for that. I know

655
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: from about I think she's an We just said vocally

656
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: no six. Do you have inside information on Beyonce? Like

657
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: is she what is she?

658
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 5: Vocally? Beyonce?

659
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 9: I don't really listen to Beyonce to be honest, I

660
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 9: never heard the album or anything.

661
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: I've only heard singing. Yeah, I never listened. I never

662
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: was drawn to her musical that.

663
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 6: So you heard one plus one though.

664
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Speaker 3: I'm thinking Beyonce is somewhere, Like I said, think, I

665
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: think she a lot stronger than everybody.

666
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: To get me credit for I think Beyonce is underrated

667
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: as a singer though yeah I agree.

668
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 6: I agree.

669
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 5: It might be closer to her nine and you think.

670
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: That could be true, but she don't do the songs

671
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: to exercise where she could go.

672
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: She also kind of stay controlled.

673
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 3: So after walk, Rihanna is not an eight bro, that's.

674
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: The bos nigga. Rihanna is a little bit. Rihanna is

675
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: a little better than Cassie. You said that. In fact,

676
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: she was a little better than Cassie. Yeah. Yeah, see

677
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: that's a hot take.

678
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 3: And I get wide, bro because as a fan, y'all

679
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: feel like y'all listen like we kind of really listened

680
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 3: to it. Like if you thought Rihanna was an eight bro,

681
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: your fucking taste is horrible.

682
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 6: That's crazy.

683
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

684
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 3: Like now, Rihanna as an as a female vocalist as

685
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 3: excuse me, as a female actor, great act, She's an

686
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: amazing act, but not vocally, bro, No before, it's not diabolical.

687
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 3: T bods is a four? No six is you can

688
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 3: sing at a six like you get cracking at a.

689
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 5: Six cracking out of six is crazy heard boy singing.

690
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: I'm about to put her up.

691
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 6: I think a unique voice though.

692
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: I think that's her selling point, her unique voice.

693
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what it was. Eight and nine. She get

694
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 6: up there, so yeah, I have to listen a little

695
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 6: bit more. She gets listen.

696
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 3: Whitney Houston and many Riperton are teens, right, that's that's great,

697
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 3: Like you know, I mean, it's people up there too.

698
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 3: So if you're Whitney Houston, you're t bos. That's what

699
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 3: you have to compare. H.

700
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: But you don't need agree with Whitney. Uh, you don't

701
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: need to be like like.

702
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 3: See, when I think of R and B, I think

703
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 3: of people like Luther Vandraws, people that really just sing, hm.

704
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 3: They don't really like Luther Vandross is a ten vocally

705
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: like Luther Van Draws is a ten. Everybody know Luther

706
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 3: Van not argument between no human beings that no. Luther

707
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: Vandross vocally is a te Luther Luther. Everybody know Luther

708
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 3: Vandras Tu. You ain't got to look at nobody. Marvin

709
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 3: Gay is a ten.

710
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 9: I just listened to T boys. Yes, how fast I

711
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 9: clicked back to the to the part, right.

712
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 5: You just listen to t balls.

713
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: What would you give from me? Like five? Six? Thank you?

714
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: That's what it ain't I said, it's four.

715
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 5: I said like five six?

716
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: Or is I think? Okay, I mean, but that's your

717
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: that's your opinion. Yeah, because because.

718
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 3: You gotta have space in the middle, Like, right, where's

719
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: Tina Marie?

720
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: Teana Marie is seen them? Damn near might be a

721
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: nine bro.

722
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: Right, So then think about how good Tina Marie is

723
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: compared to teapots.

724
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's what's the five point? That's what

725
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: five like. It's not about three points, about bout five

726
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: points like them big three points though. Okay, let's go seven.

727
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 3: Eight, let me think, let me think I got you.

728
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: Who's that uh Tony Braxton? Okay, see where'd you put Tony?

729
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 5: Tony might be like a you might be like eight

730
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 5: and a half Tony Braxton eight and a half nine.

731
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm not mad at that?

732
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 6: Locally eight.

733
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: You can track. Yeah, I gotta go out to VLAs is.

734
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: Where would you put Alicia Keys?

735
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 6: Six?

736
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 5: That's a good question, seven, seven, eight, seven because she

737
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 5: can even relate them goddamn piano course mm hmm.

738
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 3: She kind of just she like really sneaky good too,

739
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: like Alicia Keys vocally is sneaky good?

740
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: Do you think only a seven or eight I got?

741
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: I have to really listen to a seven or eight.

742
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 5: Let me ask you a question because I thought about

743
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 5: something that we talked about yesterday. Do some people, because

744
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 5: they're such good performers, get that taken away from their

745
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 5: their their performance vocally?

746
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: I think Michael Jackson is one of those people.

747
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 5: Because, like I said, Mike, what about Prince vocally than

748
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 5: we think he is?

749
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 6: Prince is great vocally, though, Prince s different actors like

750
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 6: Prince is crazy just live.

751
00:38:54,560 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: Like twice Prince Prince is different. You see, he's Prince.

752
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 3: And Alicia Keys are kind of like close. I don't

753
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: know that might be pushing I need to.

754
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 1: A Prince live.

755
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 5: Prince vocally was flawless, old flaws bro it was crazy.

756
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 6: Change is active. The way he's singing, you're saying, he's

757
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 6: saying many different ways though the Princess crazy professional one

758
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 6: of the team.

759
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: You get Prince seven seven, You got Prince in the

760
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: same realm as Alicia Keys. Yeah, they do the same thing. Actually,

761
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: what you think about that trapping six? Wow? That I

762
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: don't agree with Prince.

763
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 6: Nine eight and a half.

764
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: You know, no, he's not a nine. Wait so six?

765
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: You say no to a nine or eight or a

766
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: seven or eight prince vocally? No, I'm saying no to seven.

767
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: Oh okay, seven or eight? That's what I said.

768
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 5: What you what you gotta uh king.

769
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: By the eight.

770
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 6: And a half. Hmm, came my man, let's don't sing da.

771
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: He's different. His different vocally. He is nice, but he's not.

772
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 5: I think he's one of those guys who performed so

773
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 5: well that where you you forget how.

774
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: Good you know?

775
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 3: It's not Michael Jackson is. That's my problem. And Michael

776
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: Jackson I think better, a better vocalist, and I feel.

777
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: Like losing your fucking mind.

778
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 6: Man.

779
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: It's cool.

780
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 6: You got you got Stevie.

781
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: It's close.

782
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 6: You got Stevie.

783
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: Vocally, the same place, the same place with Prince and

784
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 3: Lisa Key.

785
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 6: Is not with them being come on stop that.

786
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 3: Sneaky, really really good, bro. She has a good control,

787
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 3: she has good range. She's not I'm telling you she

788
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 3: a lot sneakier good than you could imagine that.

789
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 9: I gotta come through soon, and we got to spend

790
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 9: like an hour or two and I got I have to.

791
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 9: I gotta train your ear to show you what you

792
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 9: need to be listening to.

793
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: Got you that's fair. You know you do it. You're here.

794
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: I know, no, you got to do it. But but

795
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: I think it's fair for me.

796
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 6: No music.

797
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it's music vocally. I agree with that.

798
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a disservice to say Stevie Wonder

799
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 3: is an eight vocally. That's not I'm not disserve it's

800
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 3: not a disservice to him or because really, their calling

801
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 3: card is not necessarily the.

802
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: Performance I say. I think they're calling card.

803
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: Is the fact that these are some of the ad

804
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 3: as musicians ever ever that could actually sing me as.

805
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: I think, Prince, I mean, I think you.

806
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 9: You have to go listen to my bad coach. You

807
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 9: gotta go listen to Stevie Wonders vocally on the live

808
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 9: version of Ribbon in the Sky where he's emulating the

809
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 9: instruments that are playing at the end in the band

810
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 9: Nigga that vocal performances out of it.

811
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 3: Again again, I'm not I'm not again, I'm not stuck here.

812
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, if you're asking me, this is my thought,

813
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,479
Speaker 3: now again I could go do this, do a deep

814
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 3: dive and realize I was tripping this.

815
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: Niggas as good as you gets? What about Smokey Robinson?

816
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: Seven eight.

817
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 6: You got?

818
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: You got?

819
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 6: Donny Hathaway.

820
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 10: Yes, a tough crowd, everybody. When I listened to you

821
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 10: sing bro like I want to him, you got eight

822
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 10: eight nine is nice.

823
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 6: I ain't mad at that.

824
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: See like I like Bobby. The bars is a ten

825
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 3: one gear. Right, here's a question. Six I got you?

826
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 3: Where's Berry White vocally?

827
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one vocal I don't even know.

828
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: I probably they can play with these. I respect.

829
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 9: From your neighborhood. I'm not doing the twins from the

830
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 9: Whispers coach.

831
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm going back to burrial fast.

832
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 6: Look at Joey Webside, said Joey Westie with a ten

833
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 6: from Bothy.

834
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: That's not bad. Seven and a half at bad. I'm

835
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: not mad at that. Okay, when from the Whispers day

836
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: that's some bad one.

837
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 3: They get cracky, they solid what's funny is Rothel is

838
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 3: my favorite vocalist as far as male vocalist, Well, obviously

839
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 3: there's a couple, but ro is my I've listened to

840
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: more Rothel Music than any other male vocals.

841
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 5: This is where you get people fucked up, though, because

842
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 5: you give all these other singers seven's and six and

843
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 5: ship and then you be like.

844
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 1: Jamie Fox unpredictable. That's crazy, crazy.

845
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 3: Because you don't need to have a ten for you

846
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: to be my What really they are? How they make me?

847
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 6: Number?

848
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: Does it get? Ro Probably a seven?

849
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 6: Eight?

850
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, go ahead, go sx.

851
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 9: My Nigga Gavin from Third Story, who don't get no

852
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 9: claim to fame as a ten vocally and nobody probably.

853
00:44:54,239 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: Even heard of them. But I put that with anybody, hm, anybody? Yeah,

854
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: I have to think about it.

855
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 3: I think it like I think my my rating system

856
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 3: makes sense because I'm judging just singing, Like you don't

857
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 3: have to be the greatest singer to be my favorite. Again,

858
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 3: Like I'm like, Michael Jackson is a way greater vocalist

859
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: than Keith Sweat, but Make It Last Ever is a

860
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 3: better album than Bad.

861
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 5: But I think a lot more goes than making a

862
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 5: great album than just vocals exactly.

863
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: So that's why I don't think what I'm saying it's crazy,

864
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Whitney Houston is one of

865
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: the greatest.

866
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: It's probably the greatest female vocalists ever. And I don't

867
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: play none of her songs. I wouldn't be caught dead

868
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 3: playing with me. Why not weekly, I just.

869
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 6: Don't care about the records they come on. I want

870
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 6: to dance with somebody.

871
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 1: Never traver right one too. I want to have about

872
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: that ship is the ship? Yeah, I would never remember

873
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 1: that line of Richie. They don't play all night long.

874
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: A lot of ches with the commodoors and maybe hello

875
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 3: hey all night long?

876
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 6: Only I got one for you, bro, what's Teddy Pendergras.

877
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: Line?

878
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 3: Just could start making pop music? He started competing and

879
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: and I respected that.

880
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: I just I don't thriller, Bro. I just saw something

881
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: this morning, Bro, I gotta send it to y'all. It

882
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: was one I don't know. I don't play thriller either. Yeah,

883
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: I don't play thriller like I sometimes when I do either,

884
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: I don't play bad or thriller.

885
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 5: Off the wall, off the wall that that get played.

886
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, tankers are ten. Tankers are ten vocally for sure.

887
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 5: And you know what that was new when you said that.

888
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 5: That was news to me. But but if you you know,

889
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 5: if you heard I'm saying, you heard it. He might

890
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 5: know like that that is news to me.

891
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 1: You say, the expert.

892
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 9: That's why these all these plaquis R and B.

893
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 5: Nigga, I'm a rapper locally. Tank is ten a ten Yeah,

894
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 5: because when I started atas, I was like, okay, but

895
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 5: he got inside information.

896
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: I think I think he's.

897
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: Talking about his professional skill set as a singer. It's

898
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 3: still like an execution, like Tank ain't no.

899
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 9: Goddamn professional skill set because I always look at it.

900
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: I always look at it this way right.

901
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 9: I've had people over the years call me and say, Yo,

902
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 9: I'm with so and so with this girl. Whatever she

903
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 9: could sing, you want to hear a sing And I'm

904
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 9: like no, because you being able to sing in front

905
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 9: of me or sing on the phone don't mean you

906
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 9: can go in there and make a record.

907
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's singing. We're not talking about to make

908
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: a record.

909
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 9: But I'm saying, like, I don't look at Tank's ability

910
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 9: to go in and uh to make a record professionally

911
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 9: based on that that nigga can stand on the corner

912
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 9: just like she stand in the corner. Okay, I don't know,

913
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 9: g man. I heard somebody talk to me about it

914
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 9: yesterday too. I sing it like really singing. She stood,

915
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,959
Speaker 9: don't think like She started, bringing me through the history

916
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 9: of he was a backup singer.

917
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: Started, She started, I'm gonna show you. I'm gonna show

918
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: you when I pull up on you show me.

919
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 3: Yep, I got to pull up on Tank and just

920
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 3: make him just go, get cracking, nigga.

921
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 1: So get cracking.

922
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 3: Real nigga real. Like a lot of my stuff is

923
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: not considered the greatest thing. No no, he's not. No, no,

924
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 3: And this is my problem. And this is why I

925
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 3: won't let you say that ship six see the type

926
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: of ship that's happened. But that's what is different than yours.

927
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: Though you need to say somebody's a ten. You gotta

928
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: sing as good as Luther. Luther is his standard. I mean,

929
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: if you're gonna say it.

930
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 3: Like, I'm like, you gotta sing as good as these people.

931
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 3: You don't have to sing just like them, but it

932
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 3: has to be as good as him. So like Tank,

933
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: I thought Tank is more than a qualified sacre. I

934
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 3: think Tank get cracking. I would have thought Tank is

935
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: an eight or something seven eight. He understands music, he

936
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 3: understands equipment, instruments, he know how to do all of

937
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 3: that shit.

938
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: He tough.

939
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't have thought the niggas saying him and

940
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 3: Luther on the corner, it wouldn't be no motherfucking battle.

941
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell six talking about Luther

942
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: would blow.

943
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 9: I didn't say nothing about Luther, Nigga, you just made

944
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 9: him he is six. But that's your criteria you. Luther

945
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 9: is your standard, not mine.

946
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: Is Luther not a team? Oh that's a good one.

947
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: Can I Can I say this though? Can I say

948
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: now that six six is saying this shit? A classes

949
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: in this Luther talk? Is just want you to say Luther.

950
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna say this, man.

951
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: That's why I looked at him early.

952
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 5: Luther is cool, is tight, Luther's don't average no disrespect

953
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 5: from about Luther. But I don't know if if Luther

954
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 5: Tank staying on the corner, I don't know if Luther

955
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 5: just killed Tank. I'm gonna be honest with you, man.

956
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,959
Speaker 5: After listening to Tank, listen to Luther. Luther is done.

957
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 9: Just go listen, bro, you gotta understand nothing you could

958
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 9: listen to that's gonna be close.

959
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 5: Because Glass has got those he got some old people

960
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 5: in his head that he just he just they on

961
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 5: that that pantheon for him.

962
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: But so you're saying, Luther van Dross don't deserve what

963
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

964
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 5: See, he gonna try to get me saying that's what

965
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 5: you want.

966
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: To say, though you're saying.

967
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 3: Much every other sake, Luther van Dross is one of

968
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 3: the greatest vocalists to ever exist.

969
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: Luther is there true Luther?

970
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't want to say nothing too bad, but.

971
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 1: That's all you did last week.

972
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 5: And I just asked questions about that. People probably talking

973
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 5: bad about him all the time.

974
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: Is Luther operted? No, this is your fault six I know, No,

975
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: you did know, so you know you did Bush. I'm

976
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: a seven year old. This is why. This is why

977
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: I staying on it. So I don't have this.

978
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 5: I'm a seven year old. I don't I'm asking a

979
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 5: question somebody. I'm just is Luther overrated?

980
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: No, not that, not even close to overrated?

981
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 5: Okay, So so is he rated properly then? Or is

982
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 5: he he's right where he needs to be at Luther

983
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 5: that's one of the greatest This is Luther is a.

984
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: It's for me.

985
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 9: Ago because my thing is this like even Luther could

986
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 9: be a twelve, like Whitney could be a twelve.

987
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: Those type of things. Is that measurement. But some of

988
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: these players are in their own realm, bro.

989
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 3: Like, But they have to be able to sing as

990
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,479
Speaker 3: these people in these realms to be a ting.

991
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 9: That's why men, let me ask you this. Are you

992
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 9: saying that the people that you have as eights male

993
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 9: singers don't have the ability to do what the tens

994
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 9: do vocally?

995
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: They can have the moment.

996
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 3: What you mean, they got him, so they deliver sometimes,

997
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 3: but a ten is a ten every time, Like Luther

998
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 3: is Luther Van Draws no matter how you slice it.

999
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: Somebody said, what would you rate James Brown?

1000
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 9: Come on, Oh no, James Brown good singer.

1001
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: He was on his Godfather soul Ship. He kind of

1002
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 3: got a unique tone. He's an underrated singer to me,

1003
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 3: he could sing. But you can't go funk James Brown

1004
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 3: because obviously he wasn't singing at that point that nigga

1005
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 3: was just shouting her.

1006
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 5: But Josh, this is what you do to you though,

1007
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 5: Like g y'all be saying, I'm baiting you know what?

1008
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: What you start calling me? Coach? This is dark? Hey,

1009
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: this is dark.

1010
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 6: This is dark.

1011
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: Beata right here?

1012
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 5: Does he do his baiting really fly? And I just

1013
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 5: come out and ask my question. GV wanted you to

1014
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 5: lead yourself into some bullshit little sneaky ship.

1015
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 3: I have a constant, so like I'm okay with saying

1016
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 3: him because I have to stand on him. So then

1017
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 3: I don't want to wake up one day and find

1018
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 3: somebody else. So we're talking about R and B. I

1019
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 3: don't want to say somebody's a tin and they can't

1020
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 3: sing with somebody that's a tin.

1021
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: Billy Holliday. I love Billy Holliday. I take a little

1022
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: bit more time.

1023
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 9: Just so I'm trying to gain a better understanding. So

1024
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 9: Luther is a ten yep, what's the equivalent on the

1025
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 9: hip hop side as Luther.

1026
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: That's a good question.

1027
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 3: I just listen to hip hop ain't just about talent

1028
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 3: like that. Hip hop is still like a street urban

1029
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 3: cultural movement, so like it's not just it's not just

1030
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 3: dependent on talent per se, Like like it's just not

1031
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:21,479
Speaker 3: the same.

1032
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: Hip hop is different. So you don't got no ten

1033
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: on hip hip hop music is actually not good.

1034
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 6: I don't say that brow but just like you know,

1035
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 6: I stand on it.

1036
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 9: You need me to in the realm of like how

1037
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 9: we're judging singers on.

1038
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: Their ability to sing.

1039
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 3: I mean, if you heard me, Hey what I want

1040
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 3: to do something freaking to you and then go listen

1041
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 3: to than you don't notice the difference musically, like think

1042
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 3: is bad?

1043
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 5: What well?

1044
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: I think on a pantheon of music right now, just

1045
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: straight music. Doctor Dre wouldn't tell you G Thing is

1046
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: on the same level as Leon Haywood. I want to

1047
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: do something for you said.

1048
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 5: It's not on the same level.

1049
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 1: It's not even in the same arena.

1050
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 5: G Thing is not good.

1051
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: I think hip hop at the whole the music is

1052
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: just all of it is. Maybe the best is like

1053
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: a six. All hip just the music. It's a D.

1054
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: I mean an instrumentation of the music.

1055
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, all right, all right, you know you're talking

1056
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 6: about because the message.

1057
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 3: Hip hop, the whole, the whole package is what makes

1058
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 3: it like a thirty.

1059
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: But the music part of it is just a D.

1060
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: It's under there.

1061
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, hell yeah, Okay, Like the best is like a C.

1062
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 5: So it's a seven.

1063
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a seven?

1064
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1065
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 5: Do you have any acts that you think are higher

1066
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 5: than the seed that kind of hold up the you know,

1067
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 5: get it up to the scene.

1068
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: So here to just mute, Like, is there somebody hip

1069
00:55:58,800 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: hop that make music good?

1070
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:00,439
Speaker 5: White?

1071
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 4: Fuck?

1072
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 6: No, let me tell you why hip hop is not

1073
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 6: that right there, because the creation, the creation method of

1074
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 6: hip hop has to has to be put up there

1075
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 6: more more than what you're saying. It is though, because

1076
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 6: the fact that you can take anything making it hip.

1077
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 3: Hop the creation method. Forgive me trap, I don't mean

1078
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 3: to cut you off. Thereat don't matter when it comes

1079
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 3: to hip hop. Like the music were talking about, that's

1080
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 3: what makes hip hop special. That's like asking it's soul

1081
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 3: food healthy.

1082
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 6: Like what makes hip hop special is the fantas you

1083
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 6: can You could take anything and make it into hip hop. Cherry.

1084
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: You could take the only black music.

1085
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 3: Like we're we're comparing to other really talented black me

1086
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 3: I've never heard of hip hop song the music and thought, man,

1087
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 3: this is like Arry White.

1088
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 5: So hip hop music is not good for you artist.

1089
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 3: No, No, soul food don't have to clog the arteries.

1090
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 3: I just think you're comparing musicians.

1091
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 6: I get you you can do. I give it. You're

1092
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 6: saying no because it is better than all music.

1093
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 5: Okay, tramp so let me get this from you, too, pop,

1094
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 5: is that you also think hip hop a musically is.

1095
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 6: A DP No. The reason why the reason why understand,

1096
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 6: the reason why Undertarily's saying though, is because like I said,

1097
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 6: you could take anything make it's a hip hop, but

1098
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 6: it doesn't become hip hop to the lyrics can put

1099
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 6: on it, though, So you know what I'm saying, So

1100
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 6: it doesn't become so you could take like you said,

1101
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,919
Speaker 6: I want to do something freaky to you doesn't become

1102
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 6: hip hop until Drey and Snook it's on the beat. Yeah,

1103
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying like that, So that's what

1104
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 6: So it's like it's almost.

1105
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: Like I'm not I'm not saying the presentation of a

1106
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: hip hop.

1107
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 3: Hip Hop records can have records from people with any

1108
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 3: record in any genre music, but it's the complete presentation

1109
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 3: because the music is make do right. It's like making

1110
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 3: the best out of some ship you really don't know

1111
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 3: how to do. When you put your ship on that ship,

1112
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 3: you present it. How much power is anything I've ever

1113
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 3: seen in music? Anyking about like g thing is is powerful?

1114
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 3: Us very white, very white first last.

1115
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: And only so hip hop music is the most powerful

1116
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: music it is.

1117
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 3: It's probably so, but it's because it's it's more things

1118
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 3: that connect to poor people, like making do always work

1119
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 3: better with humanity and things of like overspent and producer.

1120
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 3: I mean because I think humans can connect to trying

1121
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 3: to make the best side of circumstance.

1122
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: But hip hop, the music itself, like if you play.

1123
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 3: G thinking next to leon Man a change and I

1124
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 3: want to do something freaky is so motherfucking cold bro

1125
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 3: before going to what dre sample to be the wash,

1126
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 3: That shit is incredible, like music like I listen to

1127
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 3: very White almost every day.

1128
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: Dog you hear that shit?

1129
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 6: Oh you like?

1130
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: Oh? This ain't necessarily music.

1131
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 5: So so when hip hop artists take okay, so I'm saying,

1132
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 5: like the stuff that they use musically is better, or

1133
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 5: when hip hop artists get on it, it makes it

1134
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 5: more powerful.

1135
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 3: Because because hip hop is really about the cultural approach,

1136
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 3: like it's a get out and in the present. Now Again,

1137
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 3: I don't know a hip hop instrumental that's even in

1138
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 3: the same vein as some of the best songs and

1139
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 3: other genres of music music right, like like Biggie Hypnotized

1140
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 3: cannot fuck with herb Albert's Rise, the song that they

1141
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 3: interpolated to make the song. Man, you hear Rise, but

1142
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 3: you hear the whole hypnotized song. That motherfucker just as powerful, if.

1143
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: Not more powerful. Once you on that motherfucker talking crazy,

1144
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: the niggas finish that shit off. It's short to you.

1145
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: It's like some shit you never saw before. It's like,

1146
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: that's the power of this shit.

1147
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 3: That's why nigga's so protective of it because I get

1148
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 3: what makes it special. Like when we're arguing. When I'm

1149
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 3: arguing with Trapping, I'm like, the music don't have a sound.

1150
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 3: It's really just black music to a degree, right, you

1151
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 3: get black, But once you put the person on it

1152
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 3: and some shit happened, that shit just be different.

1153
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: But I mean, man, if you hear.

1154
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 3: Barry White like like like I lay my Lowrider, that

1155
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 3: the love unlimited. Bro, you hear some of this shit,

1156
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 3: this ship is out of here. Like the music, Bro,

1157
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 3: that shit is just crazy. I ain't never heard no

1158
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 3: hip hop shit like that.

1159
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: Never. I get it. As far as just the music,

1160
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: I get it.

1161
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 3: Even when I hear cream right, which is one of

1162
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 3: my favorite beats of hip hop. I think of the lyrics,

1163
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, and that's one of my

1164
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 3: favorite beats. But man, you play that ship and you

1165
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 3: play some of that Verry White shit, you be like

1166
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 3: it's different that shit start changing and doing shit and

1167
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 3: you be like, holy shit.

1168
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 5: I wonder if that why culture culturally we look at

1169
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 5: hip hop artists more in the leadership bro then we

1170
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 5: look at other.

1171
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: That could be true.

1172
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 6: M hmm.

1173
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 9: What's what's your what's your favorite? What's your favorite R

1174
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 9: and B hip hop collab? Eat your collab?

1175
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, h.

1176
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 6: Can knock the hustle jay Z and Mary J.

1177
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: Blige boom boom boo boom.

1178
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1179
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that is a do that's a fire. That's

1180
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: an abstract choice too. Okay, all this.

1181
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 3: So the first my favorite, the first song that come

1182
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 3: to mind, the greatest to me is probably that song

1183
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 3: Ghost and Mary.

1184
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: Did that song come right to mind?

1185
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 3: I always think of that song first for some reason,

1186
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 3: that that song All I Need song, the Marvin Gaye song.

1187
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: But for me, probably favorite is Balling with the dramatics.

1188
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: It's you're talking about method man and Mary. Yeah, excuse

1189
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: me that you all? I mean all I mean, I'm.

1190
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 3: Gonna say that six when you said that ship come

1191
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 3: on my mind and it sucks me up. But for me,

1192
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 3: my favorite is Balling with the dramatics and Snoop.

1193
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 5: That's always gonna go West Coast.

1194
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: Let's do a lot of on the West Coast.

1195
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 3: But the first one that comes to mind the greatest

1196
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 3: is probably that method and Mary J song.

1197
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: I remember hearing that song being like, damn crazy if

1198
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: I the world too, I think, but that is hip hop.

1199
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: No man, that might be the one, bro Becauselauren Hill

1200
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: is hip hop.

1201
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 9: I mean there's something that we haven't talked about either

1202
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 9: that even vocalists is we haven't really brought up Jo

1203
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 9: tosy know, because.

1204
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about them.

1205
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 3: I mean, when they killing, you ain't hurting, nothing like that,

1206
01:02:55,720 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 3: when they all live, when they when anybody is office specifically,

1207
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 3: i've heard them all.

1208
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: No I saw they got one of the.

1209
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 3: I don't really hear a lot of singers, you know who.

1210
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 3: It's crazy we that all this R and B conversation.

1211
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 3: You know, we haven't talked about Mary J.

1212
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: Blige.

1213
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 3: Okay, it's Mary R and B female act of all time,

1214
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 3: but it's Mary J.

1215
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 5: Like how you said that other song was hip hop

1216
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 5: all the way hip hop? Because Mary J.

1217
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: Hip hop She's the queen of hip hop. Saw because

1218
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: Mary J. Just Mary J.

1219
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,919
Speaker 3: Blige could easily be the greatest R and B act Ever,

1220
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever saw anybody any reaction to

1221
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 3: music as much as I saw, like you gotta go

1222
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,959
Speaker 3: pop music, Michael Jackson, Mary J. Blige, The thing Mary

1223
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 3: J Blige do. The black women I have never saw

1224
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 3: no ship I'm talking about. Ain't another black woman breathing air,

1225
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 3: not beyond that's a good one. Not none of them.

1226
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 3: You see them motherfuckers?

1227
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: Will Mary J?

1228
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 6: Come on?

1229
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 5: It is different ja so powerful that I used to

1230
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 5: listen to her and be like, I get what I

1231
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 5: get it girls.

1232
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: The time I listened to Mary J. Blige, the main

1233
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: question come to my mind is what did you do?

1234
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 6: Yes?

1235
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: Man, I agree, that's how good.

1236
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 6: Mary J.

1237
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: Make you think some of your ship? No, no, no,

1238
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: Mary J. Blige makes me think, what are you doing

1239
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: to make all these people do this to you? I

1240
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: ain't never late go to your married for it got

1241
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: to be married for bro.

1242
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 5: That's that's a real nigga. Got to be it's married for.

1243
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 6: Man.

1244
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: You see black women with Mary J. Blige, Come on, man,

1245
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: they can't be everybody else is this is you, This

1246
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: is you, gotta be you.

1247
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 5: You remember when when Mary was happy for a minute,

1248
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 5: she dropped that album and all the women was mad

1249
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 5: and we need that this ain't the marry we like

1250
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:51,439
Speaker 5: doing on her relationship and ship.

1251
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 3: Going to Mary J. Blige R and B. I think

1252
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 3: I'm going Mary J. Blige over be nor Kelly. Oh

1253
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 3: hell now as an act as far as what great

1254
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 3: as the greatest R and B act of all time.

1255
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: It's crazy.

1256
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 6: Sometimes Mary J. Blige built everything crazy, marriage crazy. Marriag's

1257
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 6: crazy as far as I act, She's really up there,

1258
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 6: changed the whole.

1259
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: Energy Arena's pure R and B. She she don't even

1260
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: have no possible You know she up there, but don't singer.

1261
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 6: She ain't whole like no Lie kick and all that ship.

1262
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: Under blues. It's just so much rhythm and blues. Bro.

1263
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: Women got mad when she didn't have the blues.

1264
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this though, imagine if R Kelly

1265
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 5: just liked them two years older and he was still he.

1266
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: Still probably wouldn't be change.

1267
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, two years old, but I think.

1268
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: Like them two years older too. I like them all

1269
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: you're still marry. I'm not saying she's not married. She

1270
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: is dope. She but r Kelly dope. He's dope. She's

1271
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: that dope Kelly dope.

1272
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 6: But but I think you're talking more so now now

1273
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 6: when it comes to her, I'm talking about marry. As

1274
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 6: far as performing, I'm saying the way Shell songs, records, records,

1275
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 6: she got records, record.

1276
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: She don't have no I believe I can fly. She

1277
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: don't have no cross.

1278
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 3: She's just a black lady singing about niggas role. I

1279
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 3: get that we're idiots. She's a black lady from the

1280
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 3: ghetto of New York talking about black men fucking her over.

1281
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: It is the most polarizing thing you've ever saw in

1282
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: your life.

1283
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 6: It was allowed to do with production.

1284
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 5: Black women might think are Kelly better than her?

1285
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1286
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 3: I think they can like them better, but I think

1287
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 3: Mary does. I'm just being honest, like every does something

1288
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 3: different to people. Honestly, the more I think about it,

1289
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 3: I ever saw no.

1290
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 1: Ship like that.

1291
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 6: When a woman's fed up, somebody said, what you're responding with,

1292
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 6: what you're responding with from that, what you're responding with

1293
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 6: from that right there, nigga.

1294
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 5: When when I heard when a woman's fed up, it

1295
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 5: made me want to be nicer to women.

1296
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: Your men, women, dog man.

1297
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 5: I personal Mary Shait and it was it was dope,

1298
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 5: it was you have a penis? But damn right, but

1299
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 5: I would make you. I'm telling you I watched Mary Bro.

1300
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: I'm not lying.

1301
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 3: Like the more I even think about it, Bro, She's

1302
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 3: probably clearly the greatest R.

1303
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 6: And B A.

1304
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 5: I would like to know what do black women think

1305
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 5: about I would like to know do black women.

1306
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: Like Mary or are Robert R.

1307
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 6: Kelly?

1308
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 5: I mean, Robert Kelly better than I just think I

1309
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 5: think black women will probably shout out to Fatima. She said, Nah,

1310
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 5: Mary J. Blige is way better than R Kelly.

1311
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's one.

1312
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not that because I think we're talking

1313
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 3: about who are the greatest, But I think R Kelly.

1314
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: I don't think.

1315
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 3: People live the R Kelly music as much as they

1316
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 3: live Mary's experience all the R Kelly.

1317
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:17,919
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about No that I don't care about understanding.

1318
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: People are going to talk about that, but I'm not.

1319
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna get into that. What I'm saying is

1320
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 3: just him as R and B acts Mary J. Blige Bro,

1321
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 3: like I seen women be in the streets, drinking, singing

1322
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 3: that ship with their eyes closed.

1323
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: I never saw that for R. Kelly.

1324
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 3: I never saw them living the music like I see

1325
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 3: them living the music to Marry J.

1326
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 1: Blige. Now again, is Robert Kelly more more like of

1327
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,600
Speaker 1: a talent? Yes, I'm talking about just pure R and

1328
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 1: B act and Mary J. Blige is not a great singer.

1329
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,759
Speaker 1: That's the crazy part is R. Kelly and great singers.

1330
01:08:58,439 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: He's a little bit.

1331
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 6: Better than everybody getting crazy about seven seven?

1332
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so Mary? Not a seven is more Mary's

1333
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 5: afford with TC.

1334
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 6: No, Mary, I might give a five.

1335
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 5: Five, I say five.

1336
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 3: I'll say marybody damn trap. That's that's I say Mary

1337
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 3: about the six or seven.

1338
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 6: I think there's a lot to do with her production

1339
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 6: with songs.

1340
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 3: Like the blues that come off, the pain that come

1341
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 3: off for her is like some ship.

1342
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: I never saw that's you. That comment I was talking

1343
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 1: about you get mad at no, you ain't. Nobody did

1344
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:38,560
Speaker 1: all this to you? What you do? That's what I

1345
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: be thinking. You have now mad?

1346
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 5: I beat you have a tendency decide to somebody who's

1347
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 5: who got a lot of pain in they and they

1348
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 5: ship like you.

1349
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: But but you love more damn about the commiss like.

1350
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 3: I like more R Kelly songs than I like. I mean,

1351
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 3: I like more R Kelly song I like Mary Ja.

1352
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 3: But I've never saw music affect anyone like I see

1353
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 3: like no ghetto, all the ghettos I've been to around America,

1354
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 3: no matter if I was hustling or if I was

1355
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 3: doing music, whatever I'm doing, I've never in my life

1356
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 3: saw music affect people like Mary J. Blige, unless we

1357
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 3: talk about Michael Jackson, but Mary J. Blige music. I've

1358
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 3: been to different ghettos, Vegas, here, New York, and when

1359
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 3: that shit come on them, women go somewhere else.

1360
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: I get it.

1361
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:24,560
Speaker 5: I'm with you.

1362
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: I agree with that.

1363
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 5: All I'm saying is Art Kelly's shit affected people so

1364
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 5: much that it's started affecting white people. I think he.

1365
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: Makes really good music. That shit was costing all the

1366
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: way over.

1367
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 3: I think he makes really good it was a pop

1368
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 3: song at the beginning. I think he makes really great music.

1369
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 3: I'm not disagreeing. Like I'm telling you, I think R Kelly.

1370
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 3: I think I think Mary J. Blige they really live

1371
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 3: that like. It's different. It's the level of blues is different.

1372
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 3: It's just the connection they have to her is different,

1373
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 3: and her shit is just really for her. She's not

1374
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 3: even a an incredible talent, that's the crazy part. But

1375
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 3: they feel it because that's just I don't know why

1376
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 3: that that's a and that's a prime example DT.

1377
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 1: White people not on Mary like that because she really

1378
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: is a true rhythm and blues act.

1379
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 5: And I think that's what does it for you because

1380
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 5: white people don't fuck with it, you love it.

1381
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:30,600
Speaker 3: I just feel like white people don't fuck with the

1382
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,520
Speaker 3: most black things exactly.

1383
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 5: It gotta be ser bad for you, Like you if

1384
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 5: that ship I mean of R and B initially was

1385
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 5: race music, it was really black music.

1386
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 3: It was people of race race music. So it makes

1387
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 3: I'm okay with knowing that they not. But she's still

1388
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 3: doing arenas and that's scary.

1389
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 1: NAS was opening up for her.

1390
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 6: M h.

1391
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: She don't make crossover music. It's true. I mean, I'm

1392
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: not I'm not thinking nothing away from Mary great.

1393
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 3: I mean I mean again, it's just Rob got as

1394
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 3: many records, if not Bore records and Mary, but I

1395
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 3: think what Mary records do that was.

1396
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: Just something crazy. What he got way more records. Mary,

1397
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 1: Mary got a lot of records. She got some records,

1398
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: but she got a lot of record close in records.

1399
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, they might be close. I'm telling you she her

1400
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 3: ship is sneaky.

1401
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: She didn't.

1402
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,799
Speaker 3: But but when you see how her music affects people,

1403
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 3: that's the one thing I can't shake.

1404
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: I can think of.

1405
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 3: Great Robert Kelly records. I know a lot of them.

1406
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 3: He's one of the best to ever make music. Man,

1407
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 3: when I see her music on, it ain't a song

1408
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 3: no more.

1409
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 5: But see you only thinking about from motherfuckers from the carter,

1410
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 5: like you got it. You only want to see if

1411
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 5: that music affect niggas in the carter and like, because

1412
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 5: that's what that's what's called. It's called race music. Then

1413
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 5: after that, but tell me was affecting those people and

1414
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 5: then that ship was traveling over to white people.

1415
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care.

1416
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 3: I white people prove that don't make it. It's called

1417
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 3: race music. Yeah, but it's called race music.

1418
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: So I'm okay. White people don't get it. That's okay, okay.

1419
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question.

1420
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 5: Then, when you when people are doing their uh mount rushmore,

1421
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 5: are they only doing it based off of.

1422
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 1: Acts they don't know? They just be doing their top four.

1423
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 1: Me and Trapp had a.

1424
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 6: Great yeah, exactly exactly about this.

1425
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 1: Really clearing that thought up.

1426
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 3: And because the Mount Rushmore is not the fourth greatest president,

1427
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 3: it's the fourth.

1428
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 1: I say that marked different things in American history.

1429
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 3: One mark the beginning of the nation, one mark the

1430
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 3: progress of the nation.

1431
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: One mark.

1432
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,719
Speaker 3: There's one mark one, you know what I mean bringing

1433
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 3: it back together in Abraham Lincoln.

1434
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: We had this with death Jam.

1435
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 3: I think we said the Mount Rushmore, the true Mount

1436
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 3: Rushmore of death Jam would be l L Right, as

1437
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 3: as your George Washington, I think you said public enemy.

1438
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,600
Speaker 1: As the.

1439
01:13:58,960 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 6: Yep.

1440
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: No, we put uh Beastie Boys as.

1441
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 3: The one that takes to improve outside of the country,

1442
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 3: and we put DMX as the Lincoln to bring the

1443
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 3: sound back.

1444
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 5: But you know, l did his Mount Rushmore of of

1445
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 5: uh def Jam also, and his my words were similar

1446
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 5: to yours. People got mad at him because they the

1447
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 5: most popular acts.

1448
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 3: Because I don't know what and this Mount Rushmore has

1449
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 3: been kind of colonized by people thinking it's the best

1450
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 3: for it.

1451
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 5: But this is what I'm asking. That's why I say,

1452
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,560
Speaker 5: if we really did the Mount Rushmore of R and

1453
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 5: B real got to be on it. Baby Face got

1454
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 5: to be on the Mount Ushmore?

1455
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 6: Probably not? So why not?

1456
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: So who who who you put over baby Face? I mean,

1457
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: who would be who would be the who would be

1458
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 1: the George Washington of Mount Rushmore for R and B?

1459
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: That against you? You're saying, probably uh, Bobby Brown.

1460
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 3: I mean they say's hip hop's first superstar. But then

1461
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 3: we have to pretty much disclude a lot of people.

1462
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I'm comfortable with this clue

1463
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 3: with Stevie Wonder, that's my Margaret. Stevie Wonder would be

1464
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 3: really hard. I can probably not hold on to Michael

1465
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 3: Jackson and as R and B, not as black music.

1466
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 3: I could probably not hold on the Prince as R

1467
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 3: and B just black music. I'm okay with that even

1468
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 3: kind of you know, I can miss them in R

1469
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 3: and B because I got them everywhere else. And pop

1470
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 3: music day is powerful as any pop artists in the

1471
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 3: history of pop music, so they're still there. But I

1472
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 3: couldn't really imagine the world on that list without Stevie

1473
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 3: Wonder and Marvin Gaye. That would be really hard for me,

1474
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like I listened to too

1475
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 3: much of that shit. I study too much of their ship.

1476
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 3: It would be really really hard for me to do that.

1477
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 3: But theoretically they are considered soul and and different things.

1478
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know, they do make

1479
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: R and B, but a lot of people really feel

1480
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: like contemporary R and B is like more of an

1481
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 1: eighty sting.

1482
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 5: So does Keith wet get a.

1483
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 6: Ke not?

1484
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,839
Speaker 3: I don't think on red board. Don't think he's got

1485
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 3: his album his album. I'm not bad that being in

1486
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 3: the conversation, but not Keith Sweat as a talent.

1487
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,560
Speaker 1: Not Keith Sweating. But at the time I'm saying, but

1488
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:11,759
Speaker 1: are we just doing as the talent though.

1489
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 3: I'm saying he has one making Last Forever, he needs three.

1490
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 3: He would need five with his.

1491
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:23,879
Speaker 1: Why I Bring Back go over five hundred million albums.

1492
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's also so now we're talking about people

1493
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 3: that are influential and matter in R and B, then

1494
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 3: baby faces probably paramount.

1495
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 5: But You's what I'm saying, when you making a while

1496
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,719
Speaker 5: other than that have to what happened? What's the criteria

1497
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 5: is when I'm asking.

1498
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 1: Well, if we're saying R and B, we're talking about

1499
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 1: R and B singers, R and B acts, So just

1500
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 1: R and B singers and if we're just doing as

1501
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 1: sure because because yeah, but it would be hard. Who

1502
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: would be the George Washington of temperar. I guess if

1503
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: we did in temporary art.

1504
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, Steve gotta be the George Walsh him.

1505
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 1: I feel and and hip hop R and B started

1506
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:08,640
Speaker 1: with Lewis Jordan's so it's like he's not going to

1507
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 1: be He's like that first president America became America black

1508
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: man that was pregnant before before, before George Washington.

1509
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, it could be Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder could

1510
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:24,759
Speaker 3: be on the Mount Rushmore.

1511
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 6: So you've got Stevie Wonder down there. Now, you got

1512
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 6: George Washington down as the birth and the foundational leader.

1513
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 6: You've got Teddy, you got Thomas Jefferson expansion the visionary ideas.

1514
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 3: Shout out to Joke Smoke and I thought the same thing.

1515
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 3: I feel like it probably would have to be this

1516
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 3: is the problem with it had to be Ray Charles,

1517
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 3: because Stevie Wonder is Ray Charles Jr.

1518
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 1: Ray on the on the Mount. Worst one nothing I'd

1519
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: have to Charles.

1520
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 6: Was making was making arm Vito.

1521
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 3: Because he made he made so he kind of created soul,

1522
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, he kind of created so

1523
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 3: and then pop is white people soul.

1524
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 6: But it was also like a like a rendition of

1525
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 6: like gospel music though, but that's all.

1526
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 3: But but it all comes from there. Lose comes from gospel,

1527
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 3: Everything comes from gospel. Yeah, it's just it's just tough,

1528
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. That's the problem.

1529
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 1: Like it's it's hard because it's possible to narrow it

1530
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 1: down to four. Yeah, I think that. I think it's hard,

1531
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: and well, you know what, let's try anyway, let's consider fucking.

1532
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 5: But my thing is, I think when people do these

1533
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 5: amount of Rushmore's, they they kind of set their own criteria.

1534
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 1: Like y'allferent. But I like when mere trap do it

1535
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 1: because it makes us think harder and it makes us

1536
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: credit to get quick question, you know what. Not saying

1537
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 1: the white boy makes it the right mont worst mo

1538
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 1: or anything anybody can if you're white and give me

1539
01:18:58,479 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: R and B Are you popp?

1540
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 6: Now? Yes?

1541
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 1: So six and six know who John Bellyon is? Is

1542
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: John Billyon pop? Or is you R and B D?

1543
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 9: I don't think he's really pop because but I don't

1544
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 9: think he's quite R and B he kind of like

1545
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 9: I think like his song like crop Circles could it's

1546
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 9: like more like alternative R and B.

1547
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 1: But then when you think about what was the first

1548
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 1: single that Sam Smith is just pop pop last is

1549
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 1: just black and white. He's just white black because.

1550
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 3: If you white, you automatically anything you make is going

1551
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 3: to go into a pop space.

1552
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 1: Because the audience of people that's gonna.

1553
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:38,839
Speaker 5: Take John is popular.

1554
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 6: No, he's not.

1555
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not. It's not about being popular, right, That's

1556
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 1: really what it's about. What was his first thing?

1557
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 6: The popular one? Uh?

1558
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 5: Some low shade down down.

1559
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: With long Okay, okay, I'm with that. I'm with that.

1560
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 3: Let's go Ray Charles as George Washington of the R

1561
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 3: and B my Rishmore's he is he is the.

1562
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 1: True founder for the most part of soul music.

1563
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 6: Who's the expansion and the visionary ideas.

1564
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 3: That's Thomas Jefferson R and B, who is a Thomas

1565
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 3: Jefferson who expanded R and B.

1566
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 1: Ray Charles did a good job of making it. So

1567
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: when you say expanded, you mean to the masses or so.

1568
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 3: Jefferson represents the Louisiana purchase at the time.

1569
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 1: The West.

1570
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:36,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, he made because.

1571
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: When it was the first It was just the thirteen,

1572
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:39,560
Speaker 1: the colonies and all that, and it was just on

1573
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 1: the east coast. He pushed it out west. He recognized the.

1574
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:46,520
Speaker 6: Expansion Louisiana purchase, the Louisiana Purchase.

1575
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 1: Are moving it west. So who was that person that

1576
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 1: took R and B from Ray Charles?

1577
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 6: Right?

1578
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: And then they went to another le. They don't have

1579
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 1: to be a direct correlation, they just need to take

1580
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 1: it to the next level.

1581
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 3: Is it the eighty Did everybody else follow his direction

1582
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 3: for that point after? Because I think Stevie wonder if

1583
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 3: t is kind of like, I mean, that was the

1584
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 3: same marketing.

1585
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:10,719
Speaker 1: Well, my thing is, what do you think Michael Jackson

1586
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 1: is though? Do you consider him? He would have to

1587
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 1: be in this conversation too, because if you but I

1588
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: think Michael Jackson is that third president? What's the third guy?

1589
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 6: It's Abraham Lincoln. No, No, that's the fourth direction. No,

1590
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 6: all right, So Theodore Roosevelt the development on an evolution

1591
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 6: Teddy Roosevelt.

1592
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 3: So I think Michael Jackson took it internationally because that's

1593
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 3: what Teddy Roosevelt. So it's somebody between Ray Charles and

1594
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:40,560
Speaker 3: Teddy Roosevelt.

1595
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 1: Between so they got to be between Ray Charles and Mikey. Yeah,

1596
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 1: that was the person that made it.

1597
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 3: A much more popular thing than Ray because Ray Charles

1598
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:54,679
Speaker 3: kind of ushered in soul music and really pop records.

1599
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 3: To be honest, nobody would really see it that way.

1600
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 3: But the more I studied he ushered in Ray true

1601
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:03,839
Speaker 3: was ushered in pop records. Like he like what we're talking.

1602
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 1: About, taking gospel and making it worldly.

1603
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 3: It's kind of the genesis of pop music, like taking

1604
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 3: a little of the ethnic, cleansing it up a little

1605
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 3: bit and making it digestible for everybody.

1606
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,759
Speaker 1: So instead of Southern tones, it must be Jesus.

1607
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 3: It became I got a woman, must be Jesus, go

1608
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:23,679
Speaker 3: in and around, well Jesus taking that that's.

1609
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 1: Kind of the the the epicenter of pop music.

1610
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 6: Mm hmm.

1611
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 1: So then then he would he would.

1612
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 3: He would recognize the expansion internationally, Michael Jackson, so he

1613
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 3: would be there.

1614
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: Gay, it's Marvin Gay. I would think of Marvin. I

1615
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 1: think Marvel many Yeah, it's Marvin Gay.

1616
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,639
Speaker 3: So is Marvin Gay probably the token the greatest artist

1617
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 3: out of the Motown solo act because I know Smoke

1618
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 3: is probably the most influential but I think Marvin is

1619
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 3: probably the greatest Motown X solo.

1620
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a lot of it's a lot

1621
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:05,719
Speaker 1: of acts on Moretown.

1622
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know why. You gotta kind

1623
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 6: of go through it.

1624
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 1: Through like he came and never it's Marvin all right.

1625
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 4: So if you go he had commercial success to you

1626
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 4: remember he had commercial successful.

1627
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 6: I like, I like Diana Rose.

1628
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna restake the mic. Rachel's Marvin Mike yep.

1629
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: And then and then now you have the person that

1630
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 1: brought R and B back?

1631
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 3: Who that's what you say, Bobby Brown. Now that's where

1632
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:38,680
Speaker 3: we had a conversation. Whoever, we're okay, we're focused on male,

1633
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 3: so we're not even gonna bring you females. So that

1634
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 3: way we're not even.

1635
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,640
Speaker 1: Separate Rushmore's. We'll do a self a separate Rushmore. So

1636
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 1: who is the person that brought R and B back

1637
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 1: to prominence?

1638
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 3: That's who it is. And it probably could be like see,

1639
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 3: that's where it could get funny, right because you could

1640
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 3: take R. Kelly is close to Bobby.

1641
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 1: Kelly Brown and so on. Yeah, that's because that's right there, yeah,

1642
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 1: public yeah, Kelly there it is so Ray, Charles H, Marvin,

1643
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 1: Arvin Gay, Michael, Michael Jackson, R.

1644
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 6: Kelly.

1645
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 9: I'm not mad at that, not bad, very respectable. I'm

1646
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 9: not I'm surprised Luther wasn't in there for you G.

1647
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 3: Not mad because I think jay Z is also the

1648
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 3: greatest death Jam recording artist, but he wasn't on the

1649
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 3: Death Jam Mount I'll get you. So it's okay that

1650
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 3: the greatest R and B singer of all time, or

1651
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 3: the greatest male vocalists of all time, I should say,

1652
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 3: may not make the list of the Mount Rushmore.

1653
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 1: But I'm okay with that. Ray Charles, H, Marvin Gay,

1654
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, R. Kelly, That's not bad.

1655
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 5: That's not bad, that's not bad.

1656
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:01,759
Speaker 3: If burst me to leave STEVIEE. But I know Stevie

1657
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 3: is Ray Charles, that's his, that's his, that's his baby. Yeah,

1658
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 3: shout out to Stevie Man, shout out for.

1659
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:09,759
Speaker 1: Big shots to Stevie.

1660
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:11,600
Speaker 3: But that's the point, Like because even when we did

1661
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 3: even Trap, when we did the Death Jam Mount Rushmore,

1662
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 3: it be different, like it kind of we knew death

1663
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,639
Speaker 3: Jam was loud and op notching, so even the skip

1664
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 3: jay Z was almost blasphemous. Bro or Warren who who

1665
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 3: brought who saved death Jam? Or but it's depth Jam

1666
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 3: wasn't fuck the business. We talk about the thing that

1667
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,600
Speaker 3: it represented, this loud out, nachous energy that was like

1668
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 3: street urban on the prow DMX when when when hip

1669
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 3: hop was trying to go clean, you know, puffin and

1670
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 3: was taking it shiny and clean, this motherfucker came out

1671
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 3: with some tims with no socks on and an overall

1672
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 3: short set and an overall short set screaming, barking, and growley.

1673
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 3: That is death Jam energy summing. That's like watching LLL

1674
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 3: Rebirth in the grimiest setting.

1675
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 6: I like that.

1676
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 8: I like that.

1677
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm a man.

1678
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:10,759
Speaker 1: I was just asking. I thought it was gonna be ridiculous.

1679
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 1: But I'm not mad at Charles. Ray Charles. Could he

1680
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: be the John Hanson and Stevie Wonder be the no either,

1681
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 1: George Washington. I'm not mad at that either.

1682
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 3: But no, Ray Charles is like a really really big deal,

1683
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 3: like he wasn't like they made the pop charts.

1684
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 1: But just feel weird not having Stevie on you.

1685
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,640
Speaker 3: But you also have to realize Ray Charles was a

1686
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:35,599
Speaker 3: successful act and that's why Stevie got.

1687
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: A shot in the first place. So he was the

1688
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: first person to say blinds can't do this, and I

1689
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 1: mean not just do it like Ray Charles is not

1690
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: Lewis Johnson. Ray Charles is like your subtle trolling this

1691
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 1: crazy coach. I don't.

1692
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 6: Know what.

1693
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah, you see what he be doing. Coach Chaos.

1694
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 1: So let me get this right. One or two a

1695
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 1: day every time he won.

1696
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 6: That know the other the craziest one was two years older.

1697
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 6: Ship though. That was crazy. That was crazy.

1698
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 5: Ask questions.

1699
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 1: You amazing t shirts Coach Chaos. Faiths I've been listening

1700
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 1: to ain't a lot this this week. Somebody in the

1701
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 1: chat said, what would you rate Faith Evans?

1702
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, faith is that's the real mount war Ray Charles,

1703
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 3: Marvin Gay, Michael Jackson, and R Kelly.

1704
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. I'm okay.

1705
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, not at all. Now.

1706
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 1: Females is gonna be really hard men and who any

1707
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: rippretending who else? Well, you can't do that because he

1708
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 1: didn't go Look the first one, it's probably hard.

1709
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 6: To be that.

1710
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 1: She might not get on. She might not know I'm

1711
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 1: putting Diana Ross on there, like not gonna get on

1712
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 1: that at all. The only person. I know for sure

1713
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Mary J Blige. I know for sure

1714
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Mary J Blige, Mary J BLI gonna

1715
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 1: be at the end of it.

1716
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's She definitely re established if it ever kind

1717
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 3: of went away, because female R and B never went away.

1718
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 5: So does Beyonce not get it?

1719
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. She's not on this.

1720
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 6: Diana Ross is on there right attack like you.

1721
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 1: That's okay, that that will change. Beyonce is the one.

1722
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 1: She's still the one that don't gotta be on every list.

1723
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 1: She wouldn't. But if we talk about Nigga wing for seventy,

1724
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 1: she couldn't be on the list, So she can missed

1725
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 1: a list. Uh first, is is it a reason or

1726
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 1: is it Billy Holliday? Billy is jazz still, but we're

1727
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 1: talking about okay, because you gotta go post forty Ross,

1728
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fifties sixties you said on that far

1729
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 1: who you said fifties and sixties? I'm saying who first?

1730
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 6: You said?

1731
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 1: Probably Aretha hold On. People love to Reatha. I don't

1732
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 1: know why they loved it, I mean, but they loved.

1733
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 3: Her like they were dear to her. Differently like I

1734
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 3: would love to ask my my mask my mom one time.

1735
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 5: You ain't like Aretha that much?

1736
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's dope. I like Patler Bill more than Rita though,

1737
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean it's Patty like she making

1738
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 1: pies and everything.

1739
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 6: Patty Piles were playing things on Walker.

1740
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: She's not on here.

1741
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 6: Dianna is a real pop act and the coldest riding

1742
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 6: I keep saying Dianea Ross, which she's on this list right.

1743
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 1: Let's figure out who is the first James James Bell

1744
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 1: She's dope and she from La Is that? Is that

1745
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:54,679
Speaker 1: a James from LA I didn't know that about Leila

1746
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 1: half the way. No, no, no way back then.

1747
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 3: Yah, I was about we might have to come what

1748
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 3: is your George Washington? Who is a George Washington? A female?

1749
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 1: R and B You might have to come back to

1750
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 1: this one. I don't know that one because Billy Holliday

1751
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 1: was jazz. She was before that, I remember correctly.

1752
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 6: No, let me ask, let me ask. Definitely jazz. She

1753
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 6: was scatting and everything like that.

1754
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 1: It was the first female. Might have to be on there. Yeah,

1755
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 1: how about Gladys Knight.

1756
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:40,600
Speaker 6: Gladys what it came up? What came up?

1757
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 1: Mary?

1758
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 6: Welles, that's.

1759
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:50,640
Speaker 3: First female R and B superstar, is often associated with

1760
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 3: Mary Welles. She is considered a pioneer of motown music

1761
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 3: and the first successful female R and B star that

1762
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:01,200
Speaker 3: the first female artist to achieve ainstream pop success with

1763
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 3: hits like the one You Really Loved You and My

1764
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 3: Guy Damn.

1765
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot about that one My guy.

1766
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 6: Damn.

1767
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 1: Let me see something very well.

1768
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 6: I remember not putting on the list because if you

1769
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:20,640
Speaker 6: do the same thing with the R and B that,

1770
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 6: it's not gonna come up with Ray, It's gonna have somebody.

1771
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 1: Else had Bobby Brown. H is gonna be hard to

1772
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 1: beat that. Get some mention on here, it's gonna be

1773
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 1: hard to be very well.

1774
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 6: Shock should go up there.

1775
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was. I wonder what kind of

1776
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:44,640
Speaker 1: icon Mary Wells was.

1777
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. You can't put up there. She

1778
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 6: ain't like if it adn't come to your mind like that,

1779
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 6: then you can't put on this list.

1780
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 1: Then is this she in the group too?

1781
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 6: Though?

1782
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 1: Very well, here's one in Americas. He was in a

1783
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 1: group too? Was My Guy a group song?

1784
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 6: Now?

1785
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 1: Without a group song? I think it was a group song.

1786
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that might have been a group.

1787
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 6: That was a group song.

1788
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, no it's not. That's oh no, it's not what

1789
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 1: group was she in though they was wasn't in no group?

1790
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 6: That was a solo song that my guy.

1791
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. You know they had vocalists, so I

1792
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 1: could be leave that also somebody else Mary Wells was

1793
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 1: part of the Supremes.

1794
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 6: Was she?

1795
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 1: I thought she was, but I don't. I can't verify it.

1796
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 1: AI be boys shit in half the time.

1797
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 6: I'm under said, because you know them songs like she

1798
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 6: might have seen that song and somebody else might have

1799
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 6: sing it too, though that wasn't the group. I think

1800
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 6: the Supremes did sing it right. Then the Supreme sing

1801
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:52,439
Speaker 6: that song too.

1802
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:56,600
Speaker 1: I gotta die back. That's way before my.

1803
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 6: Time now, then the Supreme sing that song too.

1804
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:02,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was in the Prince for sure. I think

1805
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm okay with saying Mary Wells. I feel like I

1806
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 1: don't know enough about Mary Wellster. That's what I'm saying.

1807
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:18,719
Speaker 1: Maybe not, maybe not. It said her career, Yeah, ignorant,

1808
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 1: don't mean that.

1809
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 6: It's right.

1810
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 1: I'm sure she had. She was a big deal because

1811
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 1: he was a big record.

1812
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 5: I'm good with Mary Wells.

1813
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 1: I don't know putting that on the yah when you

1814
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 1: read up on Mary Wells right now, like she seemed

1815
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 1: like a big deal.

1816
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 5: She seemed like she did her thing and could be

1817
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 5: I said Dana Ross ma first maybe.

1818
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:53,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, I'm with Donad What the chat saying, George Washington, Yeah,

1819
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 1: I'm with Dina. I'm with Donad Ross.

1820
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 6: George. They said, that's what Jennifer Hudson wasn't that's what

1821
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 6: character was based off for Oh wow, based up in

1822
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 6: manyell mm hmm, oh wow.

1823
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, Mary Mary. I like the choice

1824
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 1: right now.

1825
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 6: Well Wells and Diana Ross was competition.

1826
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go downa Ross.

1827
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 6: That's what I said from the jump. Yeah, I think

1828
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 6: that's a push, but no, I think it gotta be her.

1829
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 6: You got the supremes, all the supremes. And he moved

1830
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 6: on to you know what I'm saying, like she could

1831
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:33,639
Speaker 6: even she gonna fall in one of these spots though.

1832
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 6: She could fall into the expansion the expansion spot though too,

1833
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 6: because she took that. She took the game out there though, too,

1834
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 6: So you could if you wanna through many Wells, you

1835
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 6: can put her in the Theodore Roosevelt. Te Roosevelt spot too.

1836
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:49,479
Speaker 1: She ain't getting that.

1837
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 6: She went so black, King Patrick Man, come on, man, that's.

1838
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 3: What I thought, darry Donna Ross should probably be George Washington.

1839
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:03,800
Speaker 3: I think she was the first female R and B

1840
01:35:04,040 --> 01:35:05,280
Speaker 3: icon that we can remember.

1841
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 6: Now.

1842
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's wrong or not, but I'm

1843
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 3: thinking that's what's important, right, is we're remembering like George.

1844
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:14,560
Speaker 3: We all know George Washington is that's not none of

1845
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:16,479
Speaker 3: us go trip. Even if we don't know much about

1846
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:18,439
Speaker 3: George Washington, we know that's George Washington.

1847
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:27,599
Speaker 1: The same thing it's Whitney. And hold on, let's can

1848
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 1: we agree with donnad Ross and Georgian put Mike?

1849
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 6: Did we put Mike in the in the men joint? Yeah?

1850
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 1: And he introduced her?

1851
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 6: All right, all right, all right. I'm just saying because

1852
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:43,599
Speaker 6: if you want, you gonna put Mike in there, because

1853
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 6: Mike was a pop and you can't put Whitney up

1854
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 6: in there, even that Whitney super pop.

1855
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know if Whitney gonna

1856
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 1: make a period.

1857
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 6: Whitney was pop.

1858
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 1: So what's the second criteria forgot?

1859
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 3: So it's Jefferson. If they expanded it. Okay, they took

1860
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:01,240
Speaker 3: it from Donna Ross and wentn't even further. That might

1861
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 3: be it shouldn't it should have been Mary Wells and

1862
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 3: Dona Roll.

1863
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 1: That might be Aretha That could I roll with that too?

1864
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 1: Mary Wells first, Diana Ross? Yeah, but it probably should

1865
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:14,759
Speaker 1: be Dona Ross. Have we all heard of Mary Wells?

1866
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 1: I have obvious when you were younger. Yeah, Motown was

1867
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 1: a big deal when I was younger. Dina Ross was

1868
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 1: the queen of Motown. I know that for sure.

1869
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 3: Okay, let's go Mary Diana. I still think we're kind

1870
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 3: of cheating, But Diana is way before Diana Ross, so

1871
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:36,120
Speaker 3: just go down.

1872
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:42,240
Speaker 1: She's way before donas time for years, ten years. I

1873
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:43,680
Speaker 1: don't think that much, is it is?

1874
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:45,720
Speaker 3: I think Mary Wells's first song when I looked, was

1875
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:48,519
Speaker 3: like sixty two, and Dona ross first album is in seventy.

1876
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 1: I mean we go married then Diana?

1877
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 6: Though? What about the Supremes?

1878
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:55,839
Speaker 3: Though, yeah, you know what, I'm with revenge. I'm with revenge,

1879
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:57,240
Speaker 3: he said. I don't know Mary Wells.

1880
01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 1: That's important. He knows who George wah Inton gout.

1881
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:05,320
Speaker 6: That makes She's probably from Canada too.

1882
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 3: I think I was the President of America before everything.

1883
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 3: That's who she represents. I think you I think you

1884
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 3: gotta go one or the other, though, I don't think

1885
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:13,760
Speaker 3: you can go both. Yeah, not both, okay. Dona Ross

1886
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 3: is George Washing. So then who took it where I

1887
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:18,559
Speaker 3: said I would read.

1888
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:25,680
Speaker 1: The Franklin Yeah from Donnah Ross. Yeah she did. I

1889
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 1: don't know if I took it away out there. Aretha

1890
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 1: Franklin was Aretha Franklin was after Dona rossad frank She

1891
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 1: had her long career all the way through, even after

1892
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:41,559
Speaker 1: Dona Ross. I'm saying, but she older than Dona Ross.

1893
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, Diana Ross had a solo career. You got to

1894
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 6: go back to the to the sopruns and all that. Though.

1895
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:49,640
Speaker 6: You know what, what.

1896
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:57,880
Speaker 3: Aretha Franklin is. Aretha Franklin is the George and Donna

1897
01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 3: Russell is Jefferson.

1898
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 1: That makes sense because that's what I was expansion, That's

1899
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:02,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

1900
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 4: Experion Franklin was like the first Yeah, her longevity was unbelievable.

1901
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:16,639
Speaker 1: Yeah Franklin. Okay, all right, so Aretha then Diana Ross.

1902
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:21,639
Speaker 3: Franklin is George Washington and then Diana Ross. Okay, I'm

1903
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:24,800
Speaker 3: okay with that, that makes sense.

1904
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:30,600
Speaker 1: So now the third one, and what this third one represent.

1905
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:35,400
Speaker 3: Aretha Franklin is she was born in forty two. Donald

1906
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:37,880
Speaker 3: Ross was born in forty four, but their career started

1907
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:38,759
Speaker 3: ten years apart.

1908
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:43,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, that could be the same age Maria first read it.

1909
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 1: So what's the third one, third crut? What's the third one?

1910
01:38:47,479 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 1: Third one?

1911
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:51,680
Speaker 3: Is Teddy Roosevelt? Right, and he represented the expansion out

1912
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,120
Speaker 3: of the country. I think what was the Panama Canal was.

1913
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:55,519
Speaker 1: The big thing, and that would be Whitney.

1914
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 3: Whitney was international act like that, Are you serious? She

1915
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:06,600
Speaker 3: was the female Michael got no coming on that.

1916
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 6: That's what I was saying.

1917
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:09,679
Speaker 5: I was thinking, I'm thinking, I'm trying to think, because

1918
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 5: I'm trying to think.

1919
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:11,639
Speaker 1: But she's that big.

1920
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 5: I think she think she was big.

1921
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 6: She was.

1922
01:39:16,240 --> 01:39:20,440
Speaker 4: To have a super Bowl, big glass movie, super Bowl Bodyguard,

1923
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:21,520
Speaker 4: all that stuff.

1924
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:24,120
Speaker 6: And the super National anthem, the super Bowl the national

1925
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 6: Wasn't that the super Bowl at the super Bowl National anthem? Different?

1926
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:33,720
Speaker 1: Okaycuse not say halftime show.

1927
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:39,160
Speaker 6: Yeah that's the fact, you're right, My bad, But no,

1928
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:39,880
Speaker 6: she was big.

1929
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 5: So who we say was bigger than Whitney, Well, it's

1930
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:49,439
Speaker 5: not bigger than I mean, I'm from international, expanding the past.

1931
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 5: If we if we were going to if we're not

1932
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 5: putting her there, who do we say was expect you know,

1933
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 5: look at the women that came out. You're right, it

1934
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:58,400
Speaker 5: has to be Whitney. It has to be with me

1935
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:02,560
Speaker 5: then married Almos for getting me roughly. And it's not

1936
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 5: like I don't have respect for Whitney. He like puts

1937
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 5: in respect. It's not that it's just try to get

1938
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:10,320
Speaker 5: it right. But it probably the best vocalists to.

1939
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:14,280
Speaker 1: Me in my mind too. Need to read the Franklin too. Yeah,

1940
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 1: I said she was like a niece or or something

1941
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:19,040
Speaker 1: like a god daughter or some ship that makes sense

1942
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 1: with Mary.

1943
01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:22,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just I just.

1944
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:25,840
Speaker 1: Conover Whitney as an international star.

1945
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:30,120
Speaker 6: You want to hear who Jack who chat GPT said?

1946
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 6: They said, they said to read the Franklin, Georgia Washington.

1947
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:40,679
Speaker 6: They said, Thomas Jefferson is Beyonce, Abraham Lincoln is married

1948
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 6: J Blige, and then and Teddy Roosevelt shot there.

1949
01:40:45,439 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm not mad at that. I'm gonna tell

1950
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:53,200
Speaker 3: you why I didn't disagree, because I knew Mary J.

1951
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:55,280
Speaker 3: Blige is the return of R and B.

1952
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:56,880
Speaker 1: And we all agree.

1953
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:59,760
Speaker 3: Read the Franklin with George Washington. The only difference is

1954
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:02,560
Speaker 3: what we're saying about Donna Ross. They said, who was it?

1955
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:06,320
Speaker 6: Beyonce said, Beyonce with Teddy Roosevelt. I mean, I mean,

1956
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:07,240
Speaker 6: I'm time with Jefferson.

1957
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 5: Excuse me, Okay, So I kind of jumped to, uh

1958
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:16,559
Speaker 5: my only disagreement with that that with that rigo party shot,

1959
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:19,280
Speaker 5: I said Beyonce too.

1960
01:41:20,439 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 6: They put they put shot there. They said, because the

1961
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:25,280
Speaker 6: timeless innovation and drama elevation.

1962
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:31,360
Speaker 1: This is a bad motherfucker. Yeah, we don't know, Beyonce.

1963
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:33,800
Speaker 6: I mean know, we're gonna go, uh, they're gonna go

1964
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:39,839
Speaker 6: Whitney with Whitney for West spot for for Teddy Jefferson.

1965
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 6: I'm not, man, Yeah, I'm not.

1966
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm not.

1967
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:46,960
Speaker 6: She was so popped though, she was just so popped though.

1968
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:51,720
Speaker 6: That's the only thing. Like she wasn't really like R

1969
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:53,760
Speaker 6: and B songs for Whinney Houston like that. Man, that's

1970
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:55,160
Speaker 6: the same what you say about Michael Jackson.

1971
01:41:55,840 --> 01:42:01,080
Speaker 1: I know he was hello pop. Yeah, black people looked

1972
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 1: at her as R and B they did. We're looking

1973
01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 1: at hindsight now, No, they didn't look.

1974
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:07,800
Speaker 6: At No, they didn't know they did.

1975
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:13,560
Speaker 1: It was the white people can talk ship about what

1976
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:15,960
Speaker 1: I mean, they knew, they all knew she could sing

1977
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:19,599
Speaker 1: her ass off. But that's like, yeah, people didn't talk

1978
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:24,000
Speaker 1: about Whitney. He was there, he was there, he can

1979
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:27,600
Speaker 1: hear this sing. She was pretty. That's true. I didn't know.

1980
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:28,760
Speaker 1: That's not what she's saying.

1981
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:29,600
Speaker 6: You didn't know.

1982
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:33,160
Speaker 3: That's how you can see Luther was gay as the motherfucker.

1983
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:35,240
Speaker 3: I had never had no idea like Luther was gay.

1984
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:37,760
Speaker 3: That's how good that nigga saying that. I didn't even

1985
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:39,640
Speaker 3: when I saw never too much. And I'm like, oh,

1986
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:42,679
Speaker 3: this nigga obviously was gay, but he's saying so fucking good.

1987
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:44,719
Speaker 1: I was like, this nigga is the best.

1988
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:54,920
Speaker 11: That's how George Michaels was like, yeah, yeah, white people

1989
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:56,679
Speaker 11: get that off coat.

1990
01:42:57,720 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 1: So what's the four for the women?

1991
01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:03,840
Speaker 3: Because reading Franklin Dona Ross, we're saying we the Houston

1992
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:07,599
Speaker 3: instead of yeah, Beyonce is not on there.

1993
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:11,880
Speaker 1: No, it's gonna be Mary J. The gotta be Beyonce,

1994
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:14,600
Speaker 1: guys to break the bad news to you, Mary J.

1995
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:15,839
Speaker 6: B back.

1996
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:21,040
Speaker 1: Conversation, Mary J. Blige broke that real R and B.

1997
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 6: You know what, somebody just said about us rocked though

1998
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:31,360
Speaker 6: she was hold on that again. Somebody mentioned Tina Turner though,

1999
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:32,799
Speaker 6: but I don't I don't really.

2000
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:38,479
Speaker 1: Turner actually actually know Tina Turner's career.

2001
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:42,519
Speaker 3: No, wow, what's hold Ontina? Contina was rocked, got into

2002
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:44,760
Speaker 3: R and B and she when she went, she went.

2003
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:47,560
Speaker 5: Okay, so you're talking about Okay, she wasn't even the

2004
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:49,080
Speaker 5: genre of music. She don't fit the giant.

2005
01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 1: She don't really have. What's not got to do with?

2006
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:53,240
Speaker 1: It's not an R and B song, that's not that's

2007
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:56,960
Speaker 1: a rock song too. Okay, all right, okay, so I'd

2008
01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:57,840
Speaker 1: like to list you did.

2009
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, behind the Ross Whitney Houston and Mary J. Block

2010
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:08,000
Speaker 3: brought back Real Lauren B.

2011
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, is not mad. I'm not mad? Wait what was it?

2012
01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:18,000
Speaker 1: What did it say? What did that gv T say?

2013
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:22,519
Speaker 6: They said it said that said all right, held on?

2014
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:28,160
Speaker 6: All right? So it said George Washington is Aretha Franklin.

2015
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 6: They said they gave her a birth. The expansion they

2016
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:34,640
Speaker 6: gave that was that was Thomas Jefferson and gave that

2017
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:40,280
Speaker 6: to Beyonce. The preservation they gave it that Abraham Lincoln.

2018
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:44,679
Speaker 6: They gave it to Mary J. And the development Theodore

2019
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:47,920
Speaker 6: Roosevelt gave the shot the I'm not mad.

2020
01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:51,360
Speaker 1: At that though. Who they could hear Beyonce too. They're

2021
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:53,600
Speaker 1: saying she was like the uh, they're saying she was.

2022
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:58,760
Speaker 6: Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Abraham Lincoln. You said you said no, no, no, no,

2023
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 6: you said beyond. I'm sorry, you said said that.

2024
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:05,400
Speaker 1: Was taking Tina Turner to me.

2025
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:09,200
Speaker 8: It said global, it said global reach, drama been there

2026
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 8: her dad over Tina Turner. She's like, well there, so no,

2027
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 8: she didn't that bring nothing new?

2028
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:24,680
Speaker 6: Who be Yeah, she didn't bring nothing new rolls on it.

2029
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:26,080
Speaker 1: Huh.

2030
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:28,000
Speaker 6: They didn't put Diana Ross on it.

2031
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:32,400
Speaker 1: Understand why you don't put Dona ross Sony. I understand

2032
01:45:32,439 --> 01:45:34,920
Speaker 1: why not. But I'm but I mean, I would put

2033
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:39,519
Speaker 1: Diana Ross I take on list because I agree with trap.

2034
01:45:39,680 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 1: She expanded.

2035
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:44,680
Speaker 3: She took what Areka Franklin was doing and a national thing.

2036
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 3: She became like a national superstar.

2037
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:48,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, she was crazy.

2038
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:51,960
Speaker 1: She was really some ship like that's why we know

2039
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm about to say.

2040
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:55,720
Speaker 6: And she was the one that was bringing out she

2041
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 6: put out like the Jackson five. She brought out.

2042
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:00,240
Speaker 1: She brought out math. You didn't do math to the

2043
01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:06,719
Speaker 1: world I'm saying, she was expanding. People don't forget the movies,

2044
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:12,040
Speaker 1: but it's scary. What's her greatest R and B song?

2045
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 1: That's my thing?

2046
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:21,240
Speaker 6: What's the name? Feel Me? Killing Me? Infens for this.

2047
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:25,160
Speaker 1: And she got that.

2048
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, she got she got some ship. She got some ship.

2049
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 5: It's funny because I got introduced to Diana Rouss through

2050
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:33,800
Speaker 5: acting for music.

2051
01:46:34,360 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 1: You know, she's like, yeah, actress first, and then I

2052
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:42,080
Speaker 1: heard on the soundtrack and I was like, I always

2053
01:46:42,120 --> 01:46:45,640
Speaker 1: knew she was sick. I did not know I've seen her,

2054
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, then I heard the soundtrack,

2055
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:47,760
Speaker 1: I was like who.

2056
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:51,000
Speaker 3: One of the things I was screaming about when Dot

2057
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:54,240
Speaker 3: won that final award for that Grammy was Diana.

2058
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:54,640
Speaker 1: Ross gave him.

2059
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 6: He did say that. He did say that to this

2060
01:46:58,320 --> 01:46:58,920
Speaker 6: whole hell.

2061
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:01,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's man. I checked that nigga.

2062
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:03,800
Speaker 3: I said, Dina Ross nigga that nigga hit me back

2063
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:07,920
Speaker 3: like damn, I'm like, nigga, he killed that. He was

2064
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:13,559
Speaker 3: like yo, he came up like what Dinah Ross, bro, Wow,

2065
01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:17,680
Speaker 3: that was like a big deal the awards Donald and

2066
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:18,400
Speaker 3: gave it to you.

2067
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:20,960
Speaker 1: Then I said that what made it so crazy was

2068
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:22,919
Speaker 1: that then she gave Mike his fipp.

2069
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 6: One that time.

2070
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:25,840
Speaker 1: No, some like that, they said, but that was in

2071
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:27,439
Speaker 1: the I wasn't for one sothing.

2072
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm just saying, though it was.

2073
01:47:29,479 --> 01:47:31,960
Speaker 1: It was like that the same amount. Yeah, for sure

2074
01:47:34,439 --> 01:47:39,960
Speaker 1: it could be. Besides Dona ross I don't Frankling within

2075
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:42,599
Speaker 1: the Houston so that looked like what the seventies. I'm

2076
01:47:42,680 --> 01:47:45,800
Speaker 1: rolling Diana me too. What I'm saying is anybody we're

2077
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:52,439
Speaker 1: not thinking about. I can't think anybody the chest seventies

2078
01:47:52,600 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 1: R and B singers. Yeah, yeah, they had.

2079
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:05,880
Speaker 6: To be a big deal to somebody. You saying. Tammy Terrell, Oh.

2080
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:08,679
Speaker 1: It was more like her and Marvin Gay the duets

2081
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:15,439
Speaker 1: about Temmy burning Flat, Dona Russell Summers after flat Fire.

2082
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:22,720
Speaker 1: I thought she would this guy, you know, I mean,

2083
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 1: but about the same.

2084
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:27,160
Speaker 3: Gwyn Dicky is another dope singer that we didn't talk about.

2085
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:29,240
Speaker 3: Vocal lead singer from Rose Royce.

2086
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:40,400
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hopefully she's crazy vocally

2087
01:48:40,479 --> 01:48:43,519
Speaker 6: she might be a nine. I think, bro, are we

2088
01:48:43,680 --> 01:48:47,640
Speaker 6: tripping on Shoka like that? Shock? You could do that?

2089
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:50,400
Speaker 1: It could be Shocked or Gladys Night.

2090
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:52,120
Speaker 6: Lad As Night.

2091
01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:55,559
Speaker 1: We have not talked about glad I mentioned Glad It's night. Yeah, yeah,

2092
01:48:56,280 --> 01:48:58,439
Speaker 1: you know why she wasn't a solo act even turning.

2093
01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:06,519
Speaker 1: Come on, man, I think you said the Pimps. I

2094
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:12,320
Speaker 1: used to I used to think that's what we all thought.

2095
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:16,720
Speaker 9: It was Glad at Night in the Pimps, that that

2096
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 9: had me messed up when I was a kid, and

2097
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:21,479
Speaker 9: that that Uh go see cal commercial they used to

2098
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:22,120
Speaker 9: play all the time.

2099
01:49:24,680 --> 01:49:28,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, go see caw see caw That's what it sounded like, bro,

2100
01:49:28,840 --> 01:49:30,360
Speaker 1: when I was a little kid. I don't know how

2101
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:36,000
Speaker 1: we've seen that ship way up in Washington. Yeah, it

2102
01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:38,599
Speaker 1: was definitely a regional commercial for sure, But I definitely

2103
01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:40,040
Speaker 1: did not think you.

2104
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:42,800
Speaker 4: Put one up there in Frederick Way, Kyle Worthington, Uh,

2105
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:47,519
Speaker 4: franchise up there in Washington. I was.

2106
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:53,960
Speaker 1: Animals and ships.

2107
01:49:55,280 --> 01:50:01,200
Speaker 3: Probably hold on, I'm looking right now, man, it's gonna

2108
01:50:01,240 --> 01:50:02,639
Speaker 3: be tough to be Dona Ross man.

2109
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 5: I think they got staples on here, rolling Chaka Khan,

2110
01:50:08,479 --> 01:50:09,160
Speaker 5: Donna Summers.

2111
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:11,920
Speaker 1: That's a good list right here. That's down the Summers

2112
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:14,519
Speaker 1: one given a rough for money. That's how good the

2113
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:15,759
Speaker 1: music was when it's.

2114
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:23,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Aretha Franklin is the George Washington Dinah

2115
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:25,760
Speaker 3: Ross is Tom Jefferson.

2116
01:50:26,160 --> 01:50:28,280
Speaker 1: Whitney Houston is the Teddy Roosevelt.

2117
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:28,720
Speaker 11: Mary J.

2118
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:29,920
Speaker 1: Blige is the leacuoln.

2119
01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:35,439
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say with that, Eddie Ray, I'm okay, I

2120
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:40,800
Speaker 3: could breathe with that. I'm locking that in a lock

2121
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:41,120
Speaker 3: it ro.

2122
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:49,720
Speaker 1: Ween mm hmm. Yeah, I'm with that.

2123
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:53,519
Speaker 6: Call a call so so.

2124
01:50:56,840 --> 01:50:57,600
Speaker 1: Laugh when the.

2125
01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:00,200
Speaker 6: Yeah up?

2126
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:03,320
Speaker 2: Hm.

2127
01:51:04,439 --> 01:51:06,800
Speaker 1: Mary J. Blige is really the one, bro. You you

2128
01:51:07,680 --> 01:51:08,599
Speaker 1: fuck what you think of Mary?

2129
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:08,760
Speaker 6: So?

2130
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:11,720
Speaker 4: What's what's unanimous? Which one of those is unanimous on

2131
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:15,880
Speaker 4: both lists? What's unanimous? Like greath is unanimous?

2132
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:21,080
Speaker 1: Areatha was unanimous, Diana Diana Ross is not shaky, Whitney

2133
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:25,880
Speaker 1: Houston was shaky, okay, and Mary J Is is unanimous? No, No,

2134
01:51:26,840 --> 01:51:29,040
Speaker 1: I don't know who could you replace Mary J. Blige with?

2135
01:51:29,240 --> 01:51:34,000
Speaker 1: As Franklin is the only unanimous one? Yeah for sure, Nah,

2136
01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:37,519
Speaker 1: I gotta go married. It's hard, man. I understand what

2137
01:51:37,600 --> 01:51:41,840
Speaker 1: the on there though, you can't Beyonce didn't bring That's.

2138
01:51:41,680 --> 01:51:42,080
Speaker 5: What I'm saying.

2139
01:51:42,160 --> 01:51:44,600
Speaker 1: We can't flip Beyonce on there. Bring R and B

2140
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:45,840
Speaker 1: back with the Desney.

2141
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:50,920
Speaker 5: Not bring like I'm like it was dead to be

2142
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:52,480
Speaker 5: win solo.

2143
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:57,200
Speaker 1: No beyond started making up stopped that and then males.

2144
01:51:57,360 --> 01:52:01,280
Speaker 1: It was Ray Charles. That is a unanimous ones.

2145
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:04,320
Speaker 3: We all agreed that Ray Charles probably was the first. Okay,

2146
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:05,760
Speaker 3: you kind of want to say sty wanted, but we

2147
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:08,040
Speaker 3: said Ray Charles. He went on his as though he

2148
01:52:08,280 --> 01:52:12,240
Speaker 3: Steve Wonder sure Ray Charles. Number two was Marvin Gay.

2149
01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:13,200
Speaker 1: That was a tough one.

2150
01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:16,120
Speaker 3: So that wasn't unanimous, but I think we kind of

2151
01:52:16,200 --> 01:52:18,760
Speaker 3: realized it needed to be. Okay, is that fair? Six

2152
01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:23,160
Speaker 3: that again Marvin Gay really united, he needed to be.

2153
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:26,360
Speaker 4: Uh, we got the unanimous on just trying to figure

2154
01:52:26,360 --> 01:52:30,800
Speaker 4: out that us needed okay, so that's too unanimous.

2155
01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:33,439
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson was kind of the shaky one that we

2156
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:37,040
Speaker 3: all just had to accept, okay, and we all agreed.

2157
01:52:36,760 --> 01:52:41,080
Speaker 1: It had to be r Kelly three unanimous is on

2158
01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:45,400
Speaker 1: that one? Okay? I think the male one it was

2159
01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:48,640
Speaker 1: definitely have chat GBT make us a drawing.

2160
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:53,439
Speaker 6: Of that. Yeah. I don't think we're gonna do it.

2161
01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:54,800
Speaker 1: I can do it. Do it.

2162
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Speaker 3: I like that shout out to No Selings. I just

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Speaker 3: knew it was going to have a about five or

2182
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:03,799
Speaker 3: six records that were gonna be big records, big singers.

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Speaker 1: The way it's composed, the success, it's like him.

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Speaker 3: It's like the culmination of all his powers coming into

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Speaker 3: one in him understanding exactly how much of himself he

2186
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:22,280
Speaker 3: needed to present yet how much he needed to align

2187
01:54:22,439 --> 01:54:25,759
Speaker 3: himself culturally, Like I think that was important for Michael

2188
01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:28,160
Speaker 3: Jackson with Thriller. Like I think that's where he went

2189
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:31,719
Speaker 3: wrong on Bad. Bad didn't have a real black music feel,

2190
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:36,040
Speaker 3: Like I think he wasn't really digging black music at

2191
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:36,400
Speaker 3: the time.

2192
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:38,200
Speaker 1: Like at that time, probably the.

2193
01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:40,360
Speaker 3: Biggest Black act in the eighty seven would have probably

2194
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:47,160
Speaker 3: been Cameo, right it Candies around that time, Like I

2195
01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:50,000
Speaker 3: think he didn't really I think Michael Jackson see before

2196
01:54:50,120 --> 01:54:52,320
Speaker 3: that when he did Thriller, he was able to look

2197
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:54,480
Speaker 3: at Hall of Notes, who had a different pipeline of

2198
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:55,040
Speaker 3: black people.

2199
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:59,080
Speaker 1: Right, So when you hear Billy Jean, you could hear

2200
01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:04,400
Speaker 1: I can't go that. Rick James was destroying at that time, right,

2201
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:06,800
Speaker 1: you know further problem, I was just thinking about what

2202
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:07,400
Speaker 1: you just said.

2203
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:10,160
Speaker 4: A lot of them older groups like Commodorees and all

2204
01:55:10,240 --> 01:55:15,280
Speaker 4: them started going solo in the eighties and stuff, Well

2205
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:18,440
Speaker 4: they started going sold them groups started going solo, But

2206
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:19,640
Speaker 4: it wasn't the eighties.

2207
01:55:19,960 --> 01:55:23,120
Speaker 3: But it wasn't just that, right, like they Cameo was

2208
01:55:23,160 --> 01:55:26,320
Speaker 3: doing damage to black music at that time. The Cameo

2209
01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:28,560
Speaker 3: was for sure the blackest thing I heard at that

2210
01:55:28,680 --> 01:55:30,360
Speaker 3: time in the midti Yeah, but.

2211
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:35,080
Speaker 1: That's like the last group everybody started going solo and stuff.

2212
01:55:35,400 --> 01:55:38,560
Speaker 1: And I think what he was saying wasn't Teddy. Wasn't

2213
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:39,880
Speaker 1: Teddy rockling around that time too?

2214
01:55:40,520 --> 01:55:45,000
Speaker 3: Yep, Teddy Teddy is a little earlier earlier. It was

2215
01:55:45,160 --> 01:55:48,600
Speaker 3: earlier eighties than the mid to late eighties. He was

2216
01:55:48,640 --> 01:55:51,040
Speaker 3: solo like in the late seventies, right was he? I

2217
01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:53,560
Speaker 3: thought it was what was it was the early eighties

2218
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:57,360
Speaker 3: about Teddy pinograms vocally, that's another one of your favorite votes.

2219
01:55:57,360 --> 01:55:57,960
Speaker 1: That's about right.

2220
01:55:59,640 --> 01:55:59,920
Speaker 6: Trapping.

2221
01:56:01,200 --> 01:56:04,160
Speaker 3: And I think and I think Michael Jackson ignored Cameo

2222
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:08,440
Speaker 3: mm hmm. I think he saw that as I wonder

2223
01:56:08,520 --> 01:56:11,640
Speaker 3: what was the conversation about musicianship around Cameo, like how

2224
01:56:11,680 --> 01:56:12,920
Speaker 3: it was around James Brown.

2225
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:16,040
Speaker 1: The New York Players New York City players was different.

2226
01:56:16,280 --> 01:56:19,120
Speaker 3: I mean they didn't really the New York players like

2227
01:56:19,200 --> 01:56:21,520
Speaker 3: Cameo didn't really Cameo was out there though.

2228
01:56:21,880 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 6: They was mexing with Cameo over here.

2229
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:28,760
Speaker 1: Pop. No, that was that was to me the biggest thing.

2230
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:31,600
Speaker 1: Again I was a kid. The biggest thing on the

2231
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:35,160
Speaker 1: black scene to me at that time was Cameo.

2232
01:56:35,360 --> 01:56:38,000
Speaker 3: Bro Cameo was like, because hip hop was coming to

2233
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:40,480
Speaker 3: run everything down at this point, this is mid to

2234
01:56:40,600 --> 01:56:43,920
Speaker 3: late eighties hip hop running everything down LLL and them

2235
01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:44,880
Speaker 3: starting to run sh it down.

2236
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:47,200
Speaker 1: Here come in w A, here come all this rap.

2237
01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:50,080
Speaker 4: Cameo couldn't been a welcome map for hip hops. Well,

2238
01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:51,760
Speaker 4: it kind of was hip hop, you know what I'm saying,

2239
01:56:52,600 --> 01:56:56,880
Speaker 4: right hip He had a soft call word up that

2240
01:56:57,000 --> 01:57:00,960
Speaker 4: was hip hop right now. But my Michael Jackson I

2241
01:57:01,080 --> 01:57:02,000
Speaker 4: think ignored that.

2242
01:57:02,280 --> 01:57:05,440
Speaker 3: So when he looked for his urban influence of musicianship

2243
01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:09,080
Speaker 3: at that time, him and him and Quincy, I think

2244
01:57:09,120 --> 01:57:11,240
Speaker 3: they looked to Ray Parker when they should have looked

2245
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:14,240
Speaker 3: at Cameo and Ray Parker. At that time, Kinna already

2246
01:57:14,280 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 3: had a pop sound like Bad is like Ghostbusters Ghostbusters.

2247
01:57:18,360 --> 01:57:20,760
Speaker 3: This the same song, but Ghostbusters is corny as fuck.

2248
01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:24,240
Speaker 3: It's already not tight, Like none of us really fucked

2249
01:57:24,240 --> 01:57:25,920
Speaker 3: with Ghostbusters unless we was little kids like.

2250
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:27,800
Speaker 1: We were, and we just jammed it. But that wasn't

2251
01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:29,280
Speaker 1: like a song we fucked with.

2252
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:32,680
Speaker 3: So I think he didn't look at Cameo the way

2253
01:57:32,760 --> 01:57:35,240
Speaker 3: he looked at Rick James to make Thriller, or the

2254
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:37,960
Speaker 3: way he looked at different black acts to kind of

2255
01:57:38,040 --> 01:57:41,480
Speaker 3: put black music into bad So then you just end

2256
01:57:41,560 --> 01:57:44,160
Speaker 3: up with kind of this really pop offering of a

2257
01:57:44,240 --> 01:57:47,120
Speaker 3: bunch of records that really kind of don't have no

2258
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:50,840
Speaker 3: like no real blackness to him outside of Michael Jackson

2259
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:52,200
Speaker 3: applying whatever that looks like.

2260
01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:55,440
Speaker 1: After selling thirty million, then he grew up in Motown,

2261
01:57:55,560 --> 01:57:57,960
Speaker 1: so he had that was in them, but he was.

2262
01:57:58,000 --> 01:57:59,960
Speaker 3: But he already depended on it. But by that time,

2263
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:03,000
Speaker 3: I remember he's on He's he's fresh off Thriller. Thriller

2264
01:58:03,160 --> 01:58:07,320
Speaker 3: is ten twenty thirty million. Yeah, like it's killing. So

2265
01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:09,080
Speaker 3: he's not touching the third.

2266
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:11,360
Speaker 1: Like that no more. He not on the scene no more.

2267
01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:15,640
Speaker 3: This nigga for me is the man. So it's like,

2268
01:58:16,680 --> 01:58:19,000
Speaker 3: I think he looked at Ray Parker, you know what

2269
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:21,880
Speaker 3: I mean? And there I'm not just saying he had

2270
01:58:22,040 --> 01:58:24,800
Speaker 3: He definitely ate his before Ghostbusters, But I don't think

2271
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:28,680
Speaker 3: when it came to black music, Ray Parker was as

2272
01:58:28,920 --> 01:58:31,360
Speaker 3: as dense culturally as.

2273
01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:34,680
Speaker 1: Let's say, Cameo Cameo's connection to blackness.

2274
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:37,120
Speaker 3: Darryl, you know better than me because you from that

2275
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:41,040
Speaker 3: time period, it was deep, like niggas love Cameo, like

2276
01:58:41,160 --> 01:58:45,200
Speaker 3: my mom loved fucking Cameo like it was black as fuck.

2277
01:58:45,240 --> 01:58:48,160
Speaker 3: And I don't know why Michael Jackson didn't pull from

2278
01:58:48,280 --> 01:58:52,160
Speaker 3: Cameo for some records on Bad I don't know why

2279
01:58:52,240 --> 01:58:54,640
Speaker 3: he didn't. So but so back to the point with

2280
01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:56,760
Speaker 3: gn X, I think the point with gn X is

2281
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:01,440
Speaker 3: dot realized, like the culmination of what's happening in the space,

2282
01:59:01,800 --> 01:59:04,520
Speaker 3: how to make it his and then represent it at

2283
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:07,120
Speaker 3: the perfect time. So it equated to him having more

2284
01:59:07,160 --> 01:59:10,760
Speaker 3: successful singles than any other album songs. That's probably It's

2285
01:59:10,760 --> 01:59:13,360
Speaker 3: gonna probably be multiple songs on this album that go diamond.

2286
01:59:14,160 --> 01:59:16,680
Speaker 3: The album is probably gonna end up somewhere near five

2287
01:59:16,760 --> 01:59:20,680
Speaker 3: or six million sol. I mean it's a different type

2288
01:59:20,680 --> 01:59:23,640
Speaker 3: of thing. I mean where he's where he culminated that

2289
01:59:23,720 --> 01:59:25,920
Speaker 3: as an artist. So shout out to quin t to

2290
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:28,720
Speaker 3: Quinnity cooling the gang. That's another one, yep.

2291
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:31,200
Speaker 4: So do you think Prince was able to pull from

2292
01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:34,480
Speaker 4: somebody like, like you said, Cameo and stuff like that

2293
01:59:34,640 --> 01:59:37,200
Speaker 4: better than Mike did since Mike didn't pull it because.

2294
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:42,040
Speaker 3: Michael Prince was Prince was. Prince took from white people

2295
01:59:42,160 --> 01:59:43,560
Speaker 3: like because you know, he had the time.

2296
01:59:43,680 --> 01:59:44,800
Speaker 1: Prince put out the time.

2297
01:59:47,200 --> 01:59:48,760
Speaker 6: Prince James.

2298
01:59:49,720 --> 01:59:52,840
Speaker 3: Okay, Prince Prince, but by that time it was over

2299
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:56,440
Speaker 3: to like by the late eighties, they wasn't quite they

2300
01:59:56,520 --> 01:59:57,600
Speaker 3: had already kind of hit.

2301
01:59:57,560 --> 02:00:01,520
Speaker 4: Their peak because uh cameo Me was a slow version

2302
02:00:01,560 --> 02:00:05,400
Speaker 4: of Rick James when I was growing up.

2303
02:00:07,320 --> 02:00:11,160
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad

2304
02:00:12,120 --> 02:00:14,160
Speaker 1: that you would know better than us, But yeah, I'm

2305
02:00:14,160 --> 02:00:14,680
Speaker 1: saying just.

2306
02:00:14,720 --> 02:00:17,320
Speaker 4: Look at the stage performance, the clothing, the way that

2307
02:00:17,440 --> 02:00:19,240
Speaker 4: they all did things that don't even looked like Rick,

2308
02:00:19,400 --> 02:00:20,080
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.

2309
02:00:20,240 --> 02:00:21,600
Speaker 1: But they was all off that funk. You know what

2310
02:00:21,600 --> 02:00:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It was a slower version to me. That's

2311
02:00:24,040 --> 02:00:26,440
Speaker 1: what Bad didn't have. He didn't have the funk.

2312
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:27,280
Speaker 6: Funk.

2313
02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:30,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bad was just hella poppy like Dirty Diner. These

2314
02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:36,880
Speaker 3: records are really great pop records. Anchor of talking about

2315
02:00:38,200 --> 02:00:41,840
Speaker 3: the Lady in My Life thriller, the way he make

2316
02:00:41,960 --> 02:00:46,560
Speaker 3: Billy Jem like those thriller that were like black songs.

2317
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:53,440
Speaker 1: It wasn't bad. And that's what I think with that ship.

2318
02:00:53,560 --> 02:00:55,600
Speaker 1: That ship had a lot more pop records early on,

2319
02:00:55,800 --> 02:01:00,240
Speaker 1: but GM next is like hella, hella, hella lost as

2320
02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:01,200
Speaker 1: this black.

2321
02:01:01,480 --> 02:01:03,640
Speaker 5: Let me ask you a question, do you think because

2322
02:01:03,680 --> 02:01:06,680
Speaker 5: of how a lot of people felt about Big Steppers

2323
02:01:06,800 --> 02:01:08,800
Speaker 5: made him go g next, made him come out.

2324
02:01:09,040 --> 02:01:12,520
Speaker 1: No, I just think he made him. This guy made

2325
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:16,640
Speaker 1: him do it. It was on It was on glasses.

2326
02:01:18,600 --> 02:01:23,680
Speaker 1: It was on glasses right there, like sounds catch the

2327
02:01:23,720 --> 02:01:24,240
Speaker 1: black boy.

2328
02:01:24,600 --> 02:01:25,320
Speaker 6: I hate the way that.

2329
02:01:27,480 --> 02:01:30,160
Speaker 1: That's what it did sound like to me too. I

2330
02:01:30,280 --> 02:01:32,120
Speaker 1: told you big steppers are like a cast scratch of

2331
02:01:32,160 --> 02:01:32,440
Speaker 1: the bulls.

2332
02:01:33,680 --> 02:01:35,920
Speaker 5: I felt the same way a lot of people felt

2333
02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:37,800
Speaker 5: about Big Steppers, a lot of people from you know.

2334
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:41,720
Speaker 3: I think that real and I think, but that's also

2335
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:43,960
Speaker 3: why God is a better artist than I am. Like

2336
02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:47,000
Speaker 3: he covers more ground, Like I wouldn't cover that fucking ground,

2337
02:01:47,800 --> 02:01:49,680
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I keep that between me

2338
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:52,640
Speaker 3: and my own ship. But doc, will you know what

2339
02:01:52,720 --> 02:01:55,120
Speaker 3: I feel like he didn't. Do you think he regret

2340
02:01:55,240 --> 02:01:56,040
Speaker 3: covering that ground on that?

2341
02:01:56,360 --> 02:01:59,560
Speaker 1: No? No, I don't think he really give a think

2342
02:01:59,600 --> 02:02:02,880
Speaker 1: he was when you did covering that?

2343
02:02:04,120 --> 02:02:04,320
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2344
02:02:04,520 --> 02:02:06,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like a real artist, bro.

2345
02:02:07,000 --> 02:02:08,920
Speaker 3: That is like a much more I'm like a real

2346
02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:10,920
Speaker 3: street urban culturist that became an artist.

2347
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:13,320
Speaker 1: That is an artist. He always he was a little nigga,

2348
02:02:13,360 --> 02:02:15,200
Speaker 1: but he always was an artist. So it's not about

2349
02:02:15,200 --> 02:02:17,600
Speaker 1: the end results. It's about him just putting his music. Yeah,

2350
02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:19,600
Speaker 1: that's how it is for him, you know what I mean.

2351
02:02:19,680 --> 02:02:21,920
Speaker 3: It's not really about where everybody else like it or

2352
02:02:21,960 --> 02:02:24,640
Speaker 3: not that Nigga really be making this ship and figuring

2353
02:02:24,680 --> 02:02:24,960
Speaker 3: it out.

2354
02:02:26,760 --> 02:02:28,400
Speaker 1: Do you think that was more like a like a

2355
02:02:28,760 --> 02:02:32,920
Speaker 1: like a self defining album, which one remember it's like

2356
02:02:33,040 --> 02:02:36,760
Speaker 1: Marvin mixed up. Yeah, it's like it's like Marvin Gate

2357
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:40,520
Speaker 1: here my Dear or that or that or that Usher album?

2358
02:02:40,520 --> 02:02:42,520
Speaker 1: What's that Usher album? It was a really good album.

2359
02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:47,680
Speaker 6: It's Divorced about seventeen Confessions seventeen not confessions.

2360
02:02:50,600 --> 02:02:52,880
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, the one later it was

2361
02:02:53,080 --> 02:02:55,120
Speaker 3: it was it was when he got when he broke

2362
02:02:55,200 --> 02:02:57,280
Speaker 3: up with the old lady was deep as it was dope.

2363
02:02:57,080 --> 02:03:03,480
Speaker 6: But yeah, I forgot the name.

2364
02:03:05,240 --> 02:03:07,840
Speaker 3: To me, It's like Big Steppers is like here, my Dear,

2365
02:03:08,480 --> 02:03:10,520
Speaker 3: Like you have to be into the artists to really

2366
02:03:10,600 --> 02:03:11,480
Speaker 3: care about the records.

2367
02:03:11,960 --> 02:03:13,960
Speaker 1: Like that was something for him and his fans.

2368
02:03:14,960 --> 02:03:18,000
Speaker 3: I'm not truly a fanatic Kendrick, like I'm a I'm

2369
02:03:18,040 --> 02:03:21,480
Speaker 3: a friend, I'm a fanatic gn X. I'm not a

2370
02:03:21,520 --> 02:03:23,520
Speaker 3: fanatic of Kendrick as like he wouldn't be in my

2371
02:03:23,720 --> 02:03:24,400
Speaker 3: favorite artist.

2372
02:03:24,560 --> 02:03:26,320
Speaker 1: He's just my nigga. That's dope.

2373
02:03:28,600 --> 02:03:30,360
Speaker 3: Was a nigga that I think is all time great,

2374
02:03:30,400 --> 02:03:32,200
Speaker 3: but he not in my list of niggas that I'm

2375
02:03:32,240 --> 02:03:34,600
Speaker 3: listening to, you know what I mean. Kendrick is all

2376
02:03:34,680 --> 02:03:36,240
Speaker 3: time great, but that's not my ship.

2377
02:03:36,360 --> 02:03:36,480
Speaker 6: Now.

2378
02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:38,800
Speaker 3: Gn X is the first dot album that here I

2379
02:03:38,880 --> 02:03:40,280
Speaker 3: stand shut out to BV exactly.

2380
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:44,200
Speaker 1: That was another one. Life is Good by nas.

2381
02:03:44,440 --> 02:03:47,440
Speaker 3: It's the ones where if you're into the artist, you know,

2382
02:03:47,480 --> 02:03:49,800
Speaker 3: I mean, that's your album that connects with them.

2383
02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:54,440
Speaker 6: I feel like as if as if that that Big

2384
02:03:54,520 --> 02:03:58,040
Speaker 6: Stepper was an album where where he gave a voice

2385
02:03:58,040 --> 02:03:59,560
Speaker 6: to the voiceless, you know what I'm saying. So it

2386
02:03:59,720 --> 02:04:02,520
Speaker 6: was like so the people that that cut and basically

2387
02:04:03,560 --> 02:04:05,440
Speaker 6: speak with the city he was saying, like the father

2388
02:04:05,640 --> 02:04:08,920
Speaker 6: Time song, the song with the you know what I'm

2389
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:12,320
Speaker 6: saying about his auntie. It was it was given a

2390
02:04:12,440 --> 02:04:15,040
Speaker 6: voice right there, but that they didn't have.

2391
02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:18,160
Speaker 3: That's not true. That was the biggest conversation in mainstream media.

2392
02:04:18,240 --> 02:04:19,800
Speaker 3: That's what I didn't like. It felt too pop.

2393
02:04:20,800 --> 02:04:23,720
Speaker 6: So now you felt as if I'm going that way

2394
02:04:23,800 --> 02:04:26,880
Speaker 6: right there and made people like it's not more light

2395
02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:28,560
Speaker 6: on that ship right there, Like it was a given

2396
02:04:29,040 --> 02:04:29,560
Speaker 6: the light was.

2397
02:04:29,560 --> 02:04:31,680
Speaker 3: Already shining on it. So he kind of brought his

2398
02:04:31,840 --> 02:04:34,560
Speaker 3: positioning into it based off what he was going through.

2399
02:04:34,720 --> 02:04:38,000
Speaker 3: So it was all these mainstream topics and things like

2400
02:04:38,120 --> 02:04:40,200
Speaker 3: at that time, that was a big thing to talk

2401
02:04:40,200 --> 02:04:43,200
Speaker 3: about people being you know, what do you call those?

2402
02:04:43,280 --> 02:04:44,560
Speaker 1: What pronouns? That's fucked up?

2403
02:04:44,560 --> 02:04:44,840
Speaker 6: It's like.

2404
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:48,960
Speaker 1: Pronouns was big at that time. So I felt like it.

2405
02:04:49,600 --> 02:04:51,840
Speaker 1: I felt like that album is his most pop album.

2406
02:04:52,160 --> 02:04:53,440
Speaker 1: I know that sounds crazy.

2407
02:04:54,560 --> 02:04:56,880
Speaker 5: Do you feel like that album was most pop album?

2408
02:04:57,760 --> 02:04:57,960
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2409
02:04:58,120 --> 02:05:00,880
Speaker 5: Four fans like that album, yes, So you think they

2410
02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:03,480
Speaker 5: came from his previous album? Was like, man, we really

2411
02:05:03,560 --> 02:05:04,839
Speaker 5: want to hear him talk about.

2412
02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:08,640
Speaker 1: Yes, I think Dot's core fans is like a very

2413
02:05:08,760 --> 02:05:09,720
Speaker 1: mainstream person.

2414
02:05:11,440 --> 02:05:14,920
Speaker 3: Do you think that is relevant what's going on? Yeah,

2415
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:17,640
Speaker 3: he know everything. That motherfucker be watching everything.

2416
02:05:17,720 --> 02:05:19,720
Speaker 1: Nigga. You said something about Nigga in the third grade.

2417
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:21,880
Speaker 1: He know what you said. So he knows like he

2418
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:26,480
Speaker 1: knows the mood of the people. It's not the mood

2419
02:05:26,680 --> 02:05:30,400
Speaker 1: like he's a really autist. Share that is, he's a

2420
02:05:30,520 --> 02:05:32,400
Speaker 1: really great artist, bro, Because.

2421
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:34,960
Speaker 3: It's not just the mood of people with him, like

2422
02:05:35,240 --> 02:05:37,880
Speaker 3: he finds himself where people are something I'm just really

2423
02:05:37,960 --> 02:05:39,840
Speaker 3: figuring out right now. I just figured out how to

2424
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:42,760
Speaker 3: do it right this prime example, this motherfucker knew how

2425
02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:47,880
Speaker 3: to do it pretty much since damn he figured out

2426
02:05:47,880 --> 02:05:48,400
Speaker 3: like two things.

2427
02:05:48,400 --> 02:05:50,840
Speaker 1: I just figured it out right now. I had a

2428
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:52,400
Speaker 1: recordd way before this motherfucker.

2429
02:05:52,440 --> 02:05:55,360
Speaker 3: But he studied and pay attention way more so, like

2430
02:05:55,480 --> 02:05:58,320
Speaker 3: he found how to align himself at the time where

2431
02:05:58,360 --> 02:06:01,120
Speaker 3: it sat and present a perspective. I didn't figure it

2432
02:06:01,160 --> 02:06:04,400
Speaker 3: out till Tupac must dieing Really now, I'm like, okay,

2433
02:06:04,440 --> 02:06:04,800
Speaker 3: I see.

2434
02:06:05,240 --> 02:06:07,360
Speaker 1: Like I'm working on this idea. Were working on this idea.

2435
02:06:07,720 --> 02:06:09,560
Speaker 3: You and Trap were working on this idea, and it's like,

2436
02:06:09,800 --> 02:06:11,440
Speaker 3: oh yeah, we're gonna take all this shit happening and

2437
02:06:11,560 --> 02:06:14,040
Speaker 3: put it into the idea. That never used to happen

2438
02:06:14,080 --> 02:06:17,440
Speaker 3: to me before, Like it was always my personal journey

2439
02:06:17,520 --> 02:06:20,720
Speaker 3: as an artist, as an artist to reflect what was happening.

2440
02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:25,320
Speaker 3: So I think God like, like specifically with you know,

2441
02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:28,920
Speaker 3: big steppers, it is like, here, my dear, it shout

2442
02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:31,160
Speaker 3: out to hymphisms.

2443
02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:34,200
Speaker 1: It is kind of depressing to me when I listened

2444
02:06:34,200 --> 02:06:35,320
Speaker 1: to it, you know what I mean?

2445
02:06:35,440 --> 02:06:38,680
Speaker 3: It's very rooted in him. But also remember it's during

2446
02:06:38,840 --> 02:06:43,640
Speaker 3: the pandemic. Yes, when this is a big conversation, people

2447
02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:46,240
Speaker 3: hurting themselves, Like he knew how to align it. I

2448
02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:49,360
Speaker 3: think most of DOTS fans are very like a mainstream

2449
02:06:49,440 --> 02:06:51,640
Speaker 3: type of audience versus.

2450
02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:55,320
Speaker 1: Like gn X. Even though it's successful, it's not as mainstream.

2451
02:06:55,600 --> 02:06:57,120
Speaker 1: The language ain't his mainstream.

2452
02:06:57,520 --> 02:07:00,520
Speaker 3: The attitude and his mainstream, but the rec are so

2453
02:07:00,720 --> 02:07:03,520
Speaker 3: contagious that they're digestible in a different way.

2454
02:07:03,560 --> 02:07:04,040
Speaker 1: That's what I saying.

2455
02:07:04,040 --> 02:07:05,520
Speaker 4: It seemed like every time he does this, it's like

2456
02:07:05,600 --> 02:07:07,760
Speaker 4: it fits the public, with the public scoring three.

2457
02:07:07,880 --> 02:07:11,040
Speaker 1: You know, this is the first time that it didn't

2458
02:07:11,920 --> 02:07:15,080
Speaker 1: the hell No, I think this was the public need.

2459
02:07:15,160 --> 02:07:17,160
Speaker 1: It's like the public needed this to happen. But this

2460
02:07:17,320 --> 02:07:17,960
Speaker 1: is the difference.

2461
02:07:18,240 --> 02:07:21,880
Speaker 3: See, he was always framing for what they wanted. This

2462
02:07:22,080 --> 02:07:23,800
Speaker 3: is the first time it wasn't about them, and I

2463
02:07:23,840 --> 02:07:25,200
Speaker 3: could tell it was about where he was at.

2464
02:07:25,400 --> 02:07:26,720
Speaker 1: But he was already prepared for this.

2465
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:28,520
Speaker 6: I was about to say that right there, about to

2466
02:07:28,560 --> 02:07:30,920
Speaker 6: say a lot of times he means to he means

2467
02:07:31,000 --> 02:07:34,000
Speaker 6: the fans and nothing. I'm saying the listeners where they're at.

2468
02:07:34,280 --> 02:07:38,400
Speaker 6: And then you'll come here, yeah yeah, come here, yeah yeah.

2469
02:07:38,760 --> 02:07:41,440
Speaker 5: I felt like he dropped this album because he felt

2470
02:07:41,560 --> 02:07:45,240
Speaker 5: like he needed to drop this album like.

2471
02:07:45,600 --> 02:07:48,200
Speaker 3: He was pumped up. He wasn't even pumped up, like

2472
02:07:48,280 --> 02:07:51,760
Speaker 3: he got pumped up like a victory lap.

2473
02:07:52,440 --> 02:07:55,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't because that's not that. That ain't his temperament.

2474
02:07:55,480 --> 02:07:58,080
Speaker 1: Like you're not like that. You won't talk about the battle,

2475
02:07:58,120 --> 02:07:58,920
Speaker 1: we just laugh at it.

2476
02:08:01,640 --> 02:08:03,960
Speaker 5: Do you think he cares about the streets think about

2477
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:07,080
Speaker 5: his work? And I kind of felt like the streets

2478
02:08:07,160 --> 02:08:10,200
Speaker 5: didn't love big Steppers. It almost like he heard that,

2479
02:08:10,360 --> 02:08:12,000
Speaker 5: like I need to put this ship out there.

2480
02:08:12,560 --> 02:08:13,280
Speaker 6: I agree with your.

2481
02:08:13,160 --> 02:08:16,480
Speaker 3: Coach necessarily ever been his thing. I don't think not

2482
02:08:16,600 --> 02:08:19,000
Speaker 3: one of them records that was his thing. I don't

2483
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:20,800
Speaker 3: think he really gave a fuck what none of us

2484
02:08:20,960 --> 02:08:23,480
Speaker 3: like the streets think. I mean when you start talking

2485
02:08:23,480 --> 02:08:27,200
Speaker 3: about streets no, now street urban culture, yes, but not

2486
02:08:27,400 --> 02:08:27,880
Speaker 3: the streets.

2487
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:28,640
Speaker 1: This album is.

2488
02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:30,560
Speaker 5: But that's what I mean when I say street, streets

2489
02:08:30,600 --> 02:08:33,920
Speaker 5: urban culture, but it's different, like this album is really

2490
02:08:34,160 --> 02:08:37,600
Speaker 5: for the streets, street urban culture.

2491
02:08:37,680 --> 02:08:39,280
Speaker 1: This is the streets.

2492
02:08:40,040 --> 02:08:43,960
Speaker 6: This is Yeah. A lot a lot of this album

2493
02:08:44,280 --> 02:08:45,520
Speaker 6: came up after that pop out.

2494
02:08:46,080 --> 02:08:49,440
Speaker 1: This this is like from my home, just from my home,

2495
02:08:49,600 --> 02:08:51,840
Speaker 1: this is where I came from it, but not just that.

2496
02:08:52,080 --> 02:08:54,360
Speaker 3: This for every ghetto, Like this is a record where

2497
02:08:54,400 --> 02:08:56,440
Speaker 3: he's not trying to tell the ghetto. He's He's like

2498
02:08:56,560 --> 02:09:00,160
Speaker 3: this what our mom get down? Versus at first he

2499
02:09:00,200 --> 02:09:02,440
Speaker 3: would be trying to be a great example you feel

2500
02:09:02,440 --> 02:09:05,760
Speaker 3: me of what it should be. This is like, nigga,

2501
02:09:05,760 --> 02:09:07,760
Speaker 3: this is why I'm back, I'm on y'all last.

2502
02:09:08,120 --> 02:09:10,320
Speaker 4: Whatever do you think In the beginning he was trying

2503
02:09:10,360 --> 02:09:12,800
Speaker 4: to explain itself more than now to other people.

2504
02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:14,560
Speaker 1: That was the first thing I told him. When I

2505
02:09:14,680 --> 02:09:17,600
Speaker 1: was talking to him, I was like, bro like like

2506
02:09:17,720 --> 02:09:19,000
Speaker 1: he was like, man, I had to grow up.

2507
02:09:19,680 --> 02:09:23,560
Speaker 5: But this album almost came across like niggas like you were,

2508
02:09:25,600 --> 02:09:28,280
Speaker 5: you know, a little disappointed with this album. Was almost

2509
02:09:28,320 --> 02:09:31,120
Speaker 5: like niggas like g niggas like that they wasn't really

2510
02:09:31,120 --> 02:09:32,200
Speaker 5: feeling that big step of ship.

2511
02:09:32,320 --> 02:09:32,560
Speaker 6: Let me.

2512
02:09:33,160 --> 02:09:35,920
Speaker 1: But I really like this. I don't think he was

2513
02:09:35,960 --> 02:09:40,360
Speaker 1: worried about me the motherfucker doing national tours. But but

2514
02:09:40,520 --> 02:09:41,240
Speaker 1: I don't think.

2515
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:45,080
Speaker 3: I don't think my thoughts followed pears. You hear me,

2516
02:09:45,160 --> 02:09:47,040
Speaker 3: But big comes always matter.

2517
02:09:47,360 --> 02:09:53,360
Speaker 6: But check the credits. Coach e X the album. Check

2518
02:09:53,440 --> 02:09:54,640
Speaker 6: the credits telling.

2519
02:09:54,560 --> 02:09:59,400
Speaker 1: This part is like this is him. I'm glad y'all

2520
02:09:59,480 --> 02:09:59,880
Speaker 1: got him.

2521
02:10:01,080 --> 02:10:02,720
Speaker 3: The other ship is him trying to be a better

2522
02:10:02,840 --> 02:10:05,720
Speaker 3: version of himself. You're getting him now, this is the

2523
02:10:05,800 --> 02:10:08,920
Speaker 3: nigga that I know. See all that other ship is

2524
02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:11,920
Speaker 3: him discovering shit about hisself, trying to be a better person,

2525
02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:13,440
Speaker 3: that role model.

2526
02:10:13,720 --> 02:10:17,000
Speaker 1: Hey hey, hey, fuck that.

2527
02:10:18,480 --> 02:10:18,840
Speaker 5: Cut up.

2528
02:10:19,880 --> 02:10:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I think he dropped up.

2529
02:10:21,400 --> 02:10:26,760
Speaker 9: And he was like, I think as an artist, yeah,

2530
02:10:26,840 --> 02:10:30,600
Speaker 9: get cracking nigga. As an artist, there's always.

2531
02:10:30,400 --> 02:10:35,280
Speaker 5: Like you thought, like, man, I gotta be more me.

2532
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:37,720
Speaker 5: Maybe he was like, this is the record I gotta

2533
02:10:37,760 --> 02:10:38,200
Speaker 5: be more me.

2534
02:10:38,360 --> 02:10:40,240
Speaker 3: But this is something I used to always say, Like

2535
02:10:40,760 --> 02:10:44,600
Speaker 3: I felt like y'all needed to meet him, Like, I'm

2536
02:10:44,680 --> 02:10:47,720
Speaker 3: so glad Drake did that ship he got, Like the

2537
02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:50,920
Speaker 3: world got to meet him. Not the version of him

2538
02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:53,480
Speaker 3: that he wants you to meet, that's cool, and you

2539
02:10:53,600 --> 02:10:57,080
Speaker 3: got to meet who he is. Fucking with him and see,

2540
02:10:57,160 --> 02:11:00,160
Speaker 3: this ship can't be cut. This is uncut, like when

2541
02:11:00,160 --> 02:11:01,760
Speaker 3: you make it records, you could cut it down and

2542
02:11:01,840 --> 02:11:06,480
Speaker 3: digestible this hands off squabble you mean. And then so

2543
02:11:06,640 --> 02:11:09,280
Speaker 3: then the attitude came from that into just him making

2544
02:11:09,400 --> 02:11:13,760
Speaker 3: records that fit who he is at this time. Like,

2545
02:11:13,880 --> 02:11:16,160
Speaker 3: this is by far to me, this is his most

2546
02:11:16,240 --> 02:11:17,080
Speaker 3: authentic album.

2547
02:11:17,760 --> 02:11:19,400
Speaker 5: I would just about that, ask you that before you

2548
02:11:19,480 --> 02:11:21,680
Speaker 5: feel like this and it's you know what the crazy

2549
02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:25,360
Speaker 5: thing is? That's really crazy to have your most authentic

2550
02:11:25,400 --> 02:11:26,320
Speaker 5: album come this late.

2551
02:11:26,720 --> 02:11:31,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the good Man City way more authentic than

2552
02:11:31,160 --> 02:11:33,800
Speaker 3: Good king Man City, way more good kid Mass City

2553
02:11:33,920 --> 02:11:35,080
Speaker 3: was more thematic and and.

2554
02:11:36,880 --> 02:11:37,880
Speaker 1: Like like I'm going to.

2555
02:11:37,880 --> 02:11:41,000
Speaker 3: Present the sophisticated taken to street, urban culture, lifestyle and

2556
02:11:41,080 --> 02:11:44,160
Speaker 3: counter like I'm gonna make it artsy. This is like, yeah,

2557
02:11:44,240 --> 02:11:47,680
Speaker 3: nigg here we go yesterday something, give you a bunch

2558
02:11:47,720 --> 02:11:51,680
Speaker 3: of give you a bunch of music. It hold on yesterday.

2559
02:11:51,920 --> 02:11:54,560
Speaker 3: He got songs that this was all his records. Gonna

2560
02:11:54,600 --> 02:11:55,480
Speaker 3: have a message.

2561
02:11:56,920 --> 02:11:58,680
Speaker 5: That album huh on.

2562
02:12:00,280 --> 02:12:07,400
Speaker 1: The g next from the as a main message, sucking.

2563
02:12:06,880 --> 02:12:11,800
Speaker 6: With cool cool.

2564
02:12:12,160 --> 02:12:13,360
Speaker 1: It's the first.

2565
02:12:13,240 --> 02:12:17,240
Speaker 3: Record saying listen, bro, this is by far his greatest

2566
02:12:17,320 --> 02:12:21,360
Speaker 3: opening of all. Tell me what's more important. The nigga

2567
02:12:21,400 --> 02:12:24,480
Speaker 3: started the song saying this how you started the album yesterday?

2568
02:12:24,560 --> 02:12:25,960
Speaker 3: Somebody whacked out my mirror.

2569
02:12:27,400 --> 02:12:29,320
Speaker 1: When I heard that first line, I knew he was

2570
02:12:29,360 --> 02:12:37,720
Speaker 1: in hours. Turned the radio ship. Okay, yeah, yesterday somebody

2571
02:12:37,840 --> 02:12:41,080
Speaker 1: whacked out my mirror. Nigga.

2572
02:12:41,120 --> 02:12:43,720
Speaker 5: I was like, oh so even though big Steppers had

2573
02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:46,440
Speaker 5: me a little concerned when he said that, I was like,

2574
02:12:46,480 --> 02:12:47,760
Speaker 5: are you about to be sad about this?

2575
02:12:48,040 --> 02:12:50,720
Speaker 1: Or so? When he did continue, I was like, all right,

2576
02:12:50,760 --> 02:12:53,040
Speaker 1: this is Kenna that ship.

2577
02:12:53,600 --> 02:12:59,160
Speaker 3: I need him to be strong, Like it's okay to

2578
02:12:59,320 --> 02:13:03,840
Speaker 3: project masculine energy, not just in a digestible manner, but

2579
02:13:03,920 --> 02:13:07,880
Speaker 3: it's okay to be the unpologetic for sure. And they

2580
02:13:07,960 --> 02:13:11,840
Speaker 3: gonna love you your most when you were unapologetic, Nigga,

2581
02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:13,760
Speaker 3: they gonna love you. Oh you thought they loved that

2582
02:13:13,880 --> 02:13:15,760
Speaker 3: version in you that they thought you was cool and

2583
02:13:16,160 --> 02:13:18,640
Speaker 3: a nice guy. And you, oh, they don't know you

2584
02:13:18,760 --> 02:13:22,400
Speaker 3: a little confident animal. Show them because if everybody see that,

2585
02:13:23,120 --> 02:13:25,120
Speaker 3: you're gonna have your greatest shit now, people gonna be

2586
02:13:25,200 --> 02:13:27,480
Speaker 3: looking at you crazy because they they ain't gonna quite know.

2587
02:13:27,600 --> 02:13:31,480
Speaker 1: But Nigga, show them, Nigga, be like you he really

2588
02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:33,880
Speaker 1: that nigga? Like, Nigga, you really a nigga fool like

2589
02:13:33,960 --> 02:13:34,720
Speaker 1: you get cracking?

2590
02:13:34,840 --> 02:13:37,040
Speaker 3: Show them, show them that's what I'm screaming at by

2591
02:13:37,160 --> 02:13:41,400
Speaker 3: show them stop playing fuck all that nigga, get to it,

2592
02:13:42,080 --> 02:13:43,200
Speaker 3: make this shit happen.

2593
02:13:43,640 --> 02:13:45,919
Speaker 1: So this album right here, he was the most comfortable

2594
02:13:45,960 --> 02:13:47,800
Speaker 1: with being himself. And that's what he said.

2595
02:13:47,840 --> 02:13:50,320
Speaker 5: He tried to grow up, mature, He had the maturity,

2596
02:13:50,400 --> 02:13:52,640
Speaker 5: tried to grow up because that's all.

2597
02:13:52,680 --> 02:13:59,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's the best thing, bro, Like, that's the

2598
02:13:59,400 --> 02:14:03,920
Speaker 3: best thing, like him being unapologetically him. It's nothing wrong

2599
02:14:03,960 --> 02:14:07,480
Speaker 3: with the lead with inspiration and ideas and being greater,

2600
02:14:07,760 --> 02:14:09,840
Speaker 3: but it's okay also to just beat us.

2601
02:14:10,400 --> 02:14:12,800
Speaker 5: Let me ask your question. You as an artist when

2602
02:14:12,840 --> 02:14:15,960
Speaker 5: you heard that out gn X, did you did you say, Okay,

2603
02:14:16,040 --> 02:14:16,560
Speaker 5: hold him now?

2604
02:14:16,720 --> 02:14:18,320
Speaker 1: First listen. I told Trump, I said this is the

2605
02:14:18,360 --> 02:14:21,880
Speaker 1: best album before. But did you did it inspire you

2606
02:14:21,960 --> 02:14:22,480
Speaker 1: as artists?

2607
02:14:22,520 --> 02:14:22,560
Speaker 4: Like?

2608
02:14:23,360 --> 02:14:27,280
Speaker 3: Okay, I inspired that as an artist, But it's hard

2609
02:14:27,360 --> 02:14:29,280
Speaker 3: for somebody in hip hop that inspire me, even adopte

2610
02:14:29,320 --> 02:14:31,160
Speaker 3: niggas like Kendrick or jay Z at this point that

2611
02:14:31,240 --> 02:14:33,120
Speaker 3: none of them niggas can really inspire me at this point.

2612
02:14:33,400 --> 02:14:36,840
Speaker 1: So where do you get inspiration from? Arry White? That's it.

2613
02:14:37,440 --> 02:14:40,600
Speaker 3: I've been listening to very White war Ain't no ain't

2614
02:14:40,600 --> 02:14:43,520
Speaker 3: in there. Hip hop can inspire me no more. I

2615
02:14:43,600 --> 02:14:47,320
Speaker 3: feel that this is past that like I'm I'm I'm

2616
02:14:47,360 --> 02:14:49,320
Speaker 3: at the core black music, like now I'm at the

2617
02:14:49,400 --> 02:14:51,600
Speaker 3: hardest shoal of it, Like I'm playing all kinds of

2618
02:14:51,640 --> 02:14:55,320
Speaker 3: fly shit. I'm playing nigga, I'm playing Stevie Wonder nigga,

2619
02:14:55,600 --> 02:14:58,040
Speaker 3: like for real. And I'm like, and I don't make

2620
02:14:58,040 --> 02:15:00,680
Speaker 3: a rap song that's like this, That's like I came

2621
02:15:00,760 --> 02:15:02,680
Speaker 3: up with idea for a song that was like, uh,

2622
02:15:03,600 --> 02:15:04,560
Speaker 3: I was made to love you.

2623
02:15:04,920 --> 02:15:07,280
Speaker 1: It's nothing, nothing like that, but it's like that.

2624
02:15:07,960 --> 02:15:09,880
Speaker 5: So do you feel like your next album you drop

2625
02:15:10,040 --> 02:15:10,760
Speaker 5: is gonna be soft food?

2626
02:15:13,200 --> 02:15:13,600
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2627
02:15:13,800 --> 02:15:15,280
Speaker 3: I don't even know if I'm gonna do an album.

2628
02:15:15,920 --> 02:15:19,560
Speaker 3: I don't even know if I question something. I don't know,

2629
02:15:20,160 --> 02:15:22,080
Speaker 3: But I tell you one thing. The next song I'm

2630
02:15:22,080 --> 02:15:25,200
Speaker 3: about to drop, I just got it mixed. That motherfucker

2631
02:15:25,400 --> 02:15:26,080
Speaker 3: or you feel me?

2632
02:15:26,200 --> 02:15:26,640
Speaker 6: And it ain't.

2633
02:15:26,680 --> 02:15:29,320
Speaker 3: I don't can't nobody tell me nothing about hip hop

2634
02:15:29,440 --> 02:15:33,000
Speaker 3: no more like you know what I mean? Like I

2635
02:15:33,120 --> 02:15:36,000
Speaker 3: love it too much. I'm realizing most people don't love

2636
02:15:36,040 --> 02:15:40,240
Speaker 3: it enough to be talking to me about it, And

2637
02:15:40,320 --> 02:15:42,240
Speaker 3: I have no idea. They don't have no business talking

2638
02:15:42,280 --> 02:15:44,120
Speaker 3: to me about this. They don't love this shit like me.

2639
02:15:44,240 --> 02:15:46,400
Speaker 3: Don't talk to me about it. If you it's like

2640
02:15:46,400 --> 02:15:48,080
Speaker 3: a nigga that don't really love it. Like nigga, you

2641
02:15:48,080 --> 02:15:49,640
Speaker 3: can't talk to me because you want you don't. You

2642
02:15:49,680 --> 02:15:51,360
Speaker 3: ain't finna go through what I'm finna go through to

2643
02:15:51,400 --> 02:15:54,960
Speaker 3: do it. Nigga, I'm making signs for videos, pickets, signs

2644
02:15:55,040 --> 02:15:57,280
Speaker 3: like I love it. It ain't about no money, it

2645
02:15:57,320 --> 02:15:58,160
Speaker 3: ain't about none of that.

2646
02:15:58,320 --> 02:15:58,880
Speaker 5: But this will love.

2647
02:15:58,920 --> 02:16:01,040
Speaker 3: You have to develop though, right, Yeah, I didn't love

2648
02:16:01,080 --> 02:16:04,040
Speaker 3: it at first. I didn't know nothing about it, but

2649
02:16:04,200 --> 02:16:06,320
Speaker 3: now that I do, like, I'm gonna keep looking. So

2650
02:16:06,360 --> 02:16:07,760
Speaker 3: all you can do is tell me where to go.

2651
02:16:07,920 --> 02:16:10,520
Speaker 3: But really there's no more space for hip hop to

2652
02:16:10,600 --> 02:16:11,440
Speaker 3: truly inspire me.

2653
02:16:12,080 --> 02:16:14,400
Speaker 5: So so so what you're saying all this your best

2654
02:16:14,480 --> 02:16:15,160
Speaker 5: music is to come.

2655
02:16:15,280 --> 02:16:16,680
Speaker 1: You think your music is in front of you.

2656
02:16:17,000 --> 02:16:18,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, because even the shit that you I've heard from

2657
02:16:19,000 --> 02:16:20,840
Speaker 5: you that's coming out and all the other ship, this

2658
02:16:20,920 --> 02:16:24,000
Speaker 5: shit is like by yo and yo shit is dope

2659
02:16:24,040 --> 02:16:26,200
Speaker 5: to me. Look all your ship, but this shit is on.

2660
02:16:26,280 --> 02:16:30,080
Speaker 3: Some now because now it's like if you listening to

2661
02:16:30,280 --> 02:16:33,200
Speaker 3: very white bro, if you listening to real like black

2662
02:16:33,320 --> 02:16:36,800
Speaker 3: music at this court, Marvin Gay, I'm I'm just off

2663
02:16:36,840 --> 02:16:38,760
Speaker 3: of like some shit for me.

2664
02:16:38,879 --> 02:16:42,920
Speaker 1: So it's like like it's the only greatness that could

2665
02:16:42,959 --> 02:16:44,040
Speaker 1: fuck with it, you know what I mean.

2666
02:16:44,200 --> 02:16:44,959
Speaker 6: Like it's.

2667
02:16:46,360 --> 02:16:49,680
Speaker 3: I'm past rappers, not like better or worse than I mean,

2668
02:16:49,680 --> 02:16:52,840
Speaker 3: I'm past rappers being inspiration. Like I don't even see

2669
02:16:52,879 --> 02:16:56,560
Speaker 3: them as something to emulate anymore. I'm emulating Marvin Gay

2670
02:16:56,640 --> 02:16:59,320
Speaker 3: as a rapper, like just like my predecessors, Just like

2671
02:16:59,400 --> 02:17:01,640
Speaker 3: the original guys when they didn't have rap to look to,

2672
02:17:01,800 --> 02:17:04,120
Speaker 3: they had to be you know what I mean, Like

2673
02:17:04,200 --> 02:17:06,560
Speaker 3: they had a limited amount of rap, like I would

2674
02:17:06,600 --> 02:17:11,280
Speaker 3: imagine Scarface, you know, could see a lot more Gil Scott,

2675
02:17:11,440 --> 02:17:13,320
Speaker 3: Jill Scott hearing than run dmc.

2676
02:17:14,600 --> 02:17:14,640
Speaker 1: So.

2677
02:17:14,760 --> 02:17:17,560
Speaker 5: Earlier on in the conversation, somebody asked, who would this

2678
02:17:17,720 --> 02:17:19,360
Speaker 5: guy be in hip hop? Like we were doing R

2679
02:17:19,400 --> 02:17:20,480
Speaker 5: and B and they were like, who this gotta be

2680
02:17:20,520 --> 02:17:22,880
Speaker 5: in hip hop? Forgot the name they were using. Do

2681
02:17:23,080 --> 02:17:24,840
Speaker 5: you feel like at this point in time, you you

2682
02:17:24,959 --> 02:17:27,160
Speaker 5: the burier right of hip because it's.

2683
02:17:27,000 --> 02:17:31,360
Speaker 3: The only thing that makes sense. Nothing else great enough,

2684
02:17:32,440 --> 02:17:34,320
Speaker 3: even the niggas that's great, like dog in Them and

2685
02:17:34,879 --> 02:17:38,160
Speaker 3: Whole and Face, the guys I love Kanye, that's not

2686
02:17:38,280 --> 02:17:40,520
Speaker 3: great enough. Like this is not no more where you

2687
02:17:40,600 --> 02:17:43,680
Speaker 3: put Ken Kendrick. If he was, he's probably in them conversations.

2688
02:17:43,879 --> 02:17:44,920
Speaker 3: For sure, he's in the conversations.

2689
02:17:45,400 --> 02:17:47,760
Speaker 1: Who would he be that that name? Oh, he'd be

2690
02:17:47,879 --> 02:17:51,440
Speaker 1: the the al Green with Who would he be right now?

2691
02:17:51,879 --> 02:17:53,480
Speaker 1: If I had to pick an act.

2692
02:17:55,440 --> 02:17:59,640
Speaker 3: In comedy, he'd be Daz Japel mhmm, right to me,

2693
02:18:02,000 --> 02:18:05,360
Speaker 3: Like he just got it pegged down and in R

2694
02:18:05,440 --> 02:18:07,320
Speaker 3: and B music or music outside of hip hop.

2695
02:18:14,120 --> 02:18:15,279
Speaker 1: Probably Marvin Gay.

2696
02:18:16,320 --> 02:18:19,520
Speaker 5: You think, so, Yeah, Yeah, it's funny because that's who

2697
02:18:19,560 --> 02:18:20,280
Speaker 5: I envisioned him.

2698
02:18:20,520 --> 02:18:22,720
Speaker 3: When I hear him, it is probably like Marvin Gay,

2699
02:18:25,040 --> 02:18:27,280
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, Like I think early

2700
02:18:27,360 --> 02:18:30,280
Speaker 3: Marvin Gay sacrifice a lot of stuff to make sure

2701
02:18:30,360 --> 02:18:35,680
Speaker 3: people understood what he was doing. But I think when

2702
02:18:35,720 --> 02:18:39,040
Speaker 3: he caught his stride, it was like and he was

2703
02:18:39,080 --> 02:18:41,040
Speaker 3: always successful. You know, he was making hit records. He

2704
02:18:41,080 --> 02:18:41,720
Speaker 3: hadn't hit records.

2705
02:18:41,760 --> 02:18:42,240
Speaker 1: He was popping.

2706
02:18:42,320 --> 02:18:46,080
Speaker 3: But he reminds me of Marvin Gay, you know what

2707
02:18:46,080 --> 02:18:49,560
Speaker 3: I mean. Like he's like he like he found this

2708
02:18:49,760 --> 02:18:53,560
Speaker 3: level of soul at a time when it was really needed.

2709
02:18:53,600 --> 02:18:58,080
Speaker 3: It wasn't manufactured like like this like this is legit,

2710
02:18:58,680 --> 02:19:00,840
Speaker 3: like this ain't even like other like people saying he

2711
02:19:00,920 --> 02:19:03,920
Speaker 3: just went West Coast. Like even the musicianship of adding

2712
02:19:04,000 --> 02:19:06,800
Speaker 3: basis like a lot of music is just you know,

2713
02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:09,520
Speaker 3: not muster muster, get busy, but a lot of other

2714
02:19:09,680 --> 02:19:12,160
Speaker 3: West Coast music it's kind of eight a ways and melodies.

2715
02:19:12,840 --> 02:19:15,680
Speaker 3: They don't really use the base or that frequency anymore.

2716
02:19:15,840 --> 02:19:17,320
Speaker 3: Like and for him to kind of go put that

2717
02:19:17,400 --> 02:19:20,360
Speaker 3: frequency in all that music, like it's like Marvin Gay

2718
02:19:20,440 --> 02:19:23,520
Speaker 3: to me, you know what I mean, Like like he

2719
02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:25,840
Speaker 3: like he been successful the whole time, Like Marvin Gay

2720
02:19:25,879 --> 02:19:28,480
Speaker 3: was successful, we had records. But man, towards the end

2721
02:19:28,520 --> 02:19:30,840
Speaker 3: of his career, you really could see this China wind

2722
02:19:30,920 --> 02:19:34,400
Speaker 3: of unapologetic nigga that was like hell of dope. And

2723
02:19:34,520 --> 02:19:36,240
Speaker 3: I think with Dot, you know, even if this is

2724
02:19:36,280 --> 02:19:38,920
Speaker 3: the last album, I think we got like the most

2725
02:19:39,000 --> 02:19:41,360
Speaker 3: unapologetic nigga in the world, and we got a nigga

2726
02:19:41,360 --> 02:19:42,760
Speaker 3: when the world needed a nigga too.

2727
02:19:43,120 --> 02:19:46,200
Speaker 1: But why are you okay last album? You think it's

2728
02:19:46,200 --> 02:19:49,360
Speaker 1: gonna be his last album? I don't know, shit, it depends.

2729
02:19:49,480 --> 02:19:51,160
Speaker 1: I think he needs to be motivated to create.

2730
02:19:51,320 --> 02:19:53,440
Speaker 3: I don't think he like this ain't the business, Like

2731
02:19:53,520 --> 02:19:55,800
Speaker 3: he makes business out of music, but that ain't his business,

2732
02:19:55,879 --> 02:19:57,720
Speaker 3: Like I think his business is raising his kids and

2733
02:19:57,800 --> 02:19:58,400
Speaker 3: living his life.

2734
02:19:58,640 --> 02:20:00,880
Speaker 1: He made enough money to be fund you know what

2735
02:20:00,920 --> 02:20:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

2736
02:20:01,320 --> 02:20:04,560
Speaker 3: He's straight, so it'll be hard for him to motivate

2737
02:20:04,640 --> 02:20:06,560
Speaker 3: himself for money, you know what I mean, or just

2738
02:20:06,640 --> 02:20:08,360
Speaker 3: to put out another album, like he would have to

2739
02:20:08,440 --> 02:20:10,720
Speaker 3: have like a story that he wants to tell. And

2740
02:20:11,440 --> 02:20:14,640
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, you know, I don't know

2741
02:20:14,720 --> 02:20:16,440
Speaker 3: what motivated him at this point. How do you get

2742
02:20:16,520 --> 02:20:20,320
Speaker 3: motivated after this? Usually people get motivated after this because

2743
02:20:20,360 --> 02:20:22,879
Speaker 3: of money, But like now, you you already made money.

2744
02:20:23,120 --> 02:20:25,600
Speaker 1: You already had a national tour for me this.

2745
02:20:25,959 --> 02:20:29,480
Speaker 3: You have multiple national arena tours, You have multiple number

2746
02:20:29,520 --> 02:20:33,400
Speaker 3: ones before this, and now you finally just hit the pinnacle. Like, right,

2747
02:20:33,440 --> 02:20:36,360
Speaker 3: you just super Bowl five games for one song, give

2748
02:20:36,440 --> 02:20:39,440
Speaker 3: me arena tour? Like what motivates you after this to

2749
02:20:39,560 --> 02:20:42,960
Speaker 3: kind of really make music? Like you you're finna spend

2750
02:20:43,000 --> 02:20:44,840
Speaker 3: a lot of time away from your family, right, You're

2751
02:20:44,840 --> 02:20:46,480
Speaker 3: finna be on this role. He already spent a lot

2752
02:20:46,480 --> 02:20:49,200
Speaker 3: of time away from his family now, so it's like,

2753
02:20:49,280 --> 02:20:50,840
Speaker 3: you know, they don't want to raise his kids and

2754
02:20:50,879 --> 02:20:52,360
Speaker 3: all of that that shit mattered to him.

2755
02:20:53,560 --> 02:20:59,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do want to say this about uh our

2756
02:21:00,040 --> 02:21:04,720
Speaker 5: Mount rush Moore, the no feelings around Mount Rushmore. I think,

2757
02:21:05,080 --> 02:21:07,200
Speaker 5: I honestly think it might be the best route Mount

2758
02:21:07,240 --> 02:21:10,480
Speaker 5: worsh Moore that could be put put together. They think

2759
02:21:10,520 --> 02:21:12,200
Speaker 5: it's gonna be the best. I'm interested to see other

2760
02:21:12,240 --> 02:21:14,160
Speaker 5: people my mind worsh More, but I don't think it's.

2761
02:21:14,040 --> 02:21:16,280
Speaker 1: Gonna be better than ours. I think that what you say,

2762
02:21:16,360 --> 02:21:17,640
Speaker 1: we got the best one, I think we got the

2763
02:21:17,680 --> 02:21:18,000
Speaker 1: best one.

2764
02:21:18,040 --> 02:21:20,200
Speaker 5: I'm really I want to see others, but I think

2765
02:21:20,280 --> 02:21:22,199
Speaker 5: that I think those are the two best Mount rush.

2766
02:21:22,080 --> 02:21:27,200
Speaker 1: More for the male female for sure, male female male.

2767
02:21:28,480 --> 02:21:30,440
Speaker 1: I feel yeah, I feel like it's like both of

2768
02:21:30,480 --> 02:21:31,720
Speaker 1: the other best.

2769
02:21:31,920 --> 02:21:33,520
Speaker 5: Those are the best Mounts Rushmore.

2770
02:21:34,600 --> 02:21:37,240
Speaker 3: Shout out to the diamond Back Photography to Homy, what's up, Brodie,

2771
02:21:37,240 --> 02:21:38,920
Speaker 3: thank you for the two dollars. What's your rating for

2772
02:21:39,040 --> 02:21:42,199
Speaker 3: Maya vocally? I have already heard enough of mine singing.

2773
02:21:42,440 --> 02:21:44,600
Speaker 3: Immediately the six come to mind, but she's probably better.

2774
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:49,960
Speaker 1: What do you think you're six? Maya vocally? Yeah, I

2775
02:21:50,000 --> 02:21:52,240
Speaker 1: haven't heard enough of her singing, but because of y'all,

2776
02:21:52,360 --> 02:21:55,720
Speaker 1: like I heard, it makes me think of a six seven? Yeah,

2777
02:21:55,920 --> 02:21:56,800
Speaker 1: six seven is fair?

2778
02:21:59,160 --> 02:22:01,960
Speaker 3: Theyself love thank you for the two dollars. Play take

2779
02:22:02,040 --> 02:22:03,360
Speaker 3: him on the deep dive of Brandy.

2780
02:22:03,520 --> 02:22:07,680
Speaker 1: I got you all a copella too. I don't want

2781
02:22:07,720 --> 02:22:10,240
Speaker 1: no fucking music. I'm gonna shave you. Yeah, I'm gonna

2782
02:22:10,240 --> 02:22:11,000
Speaker 1: shave the ropes. Bro.

2783
02:22:11,400 --> 02:22:13,840
Speaker 3: Thank you Diamond Back Photograpy for that five dollars. The

2784
02:22:13,959 --> 02:22:16,760
Speaker 3: instrumental that John Mure is a masterpiece. Sound Way made

2785
02:22:16,800 --> 02:22:19,880
Speaker 3: that beat with Cocoa Leve's I'm Crying They'll Find example

2786
02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:20,920
Speaker 3: was beautifully crafty.

2787
02:22:20,959 --> 02:22:21,240
Speaker 1: Nigga.

2788
02:22:21,240 --> 02:22:26,000
Speaker 3: I remember sound Wave was whack, so I hit South

2789
02:22:26,040 --> 02:22:27,320
Speaker 3: Wave on the DM. I was like, man, I'm so

2790
02:22:27,400 --> 02:22:27,760
Speaker 3: proud of you.

2791
02:22:27,879 --> 02:22:27,959
Speaker 6: Bro.

2792
02:22:28,080 --> 02:22:30,520
Speaker 3: He got so dope, man, Him and Ali, them niggas

2793
02:22:30,560 --> 02:22:35,160
Speaker 3: got hello dope. That's young and devoted. They've been devoted,

2794
02:22:35,280 --> 02:22:37,720
Speaker 3: so all the best things should happen to them. Man,

2795
02:22:37,800 --> 02:22:41,080
Speaker 3: they hello dope. Shout out to Nick, thank you for

2796
02:22:41,160 --> 02:22:42,879
Speaker 3: that five dollars. Shout out to g and the lunch

2797
02:22:42,959 --> 02:22:47,840
Speaker 3: table east side that port yep wes. Shout out to

2798
02:22:47,920 --> 02:22:50,039
Speaker 3: Mow they self love for the two dollars. No, mister

2799
02:22:50,120 --> 02:22:53,040
Speaker 3: Morale slander I just slander it. I just said it

2800
02:22:53,120 --> 02:22:54,560
Speaker 3: sounded like cash scratching paper.

2801
02:22:55,080 --> 02:22:58,680
Speaker 6: That what's that? What's that?

2802
02:22:59,480 --> 02:23:01,720
Speaker 5: He's saying that he don't get I don't think it's

2803
02:23:01,760 --> 02:23:03,880
Speaker 5: that bad. He thinks if he's telling the truth to himself,

2804
02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:05,600
Speaker 5: if it's a glasses fact, it means.

2805
02:23:07,560 --> 02:23:11,720
Speaker 1: Is it really slander, super stretching. It wasn't like a

2806
02:23:11,800 --> 02:23:14,080
Speaker 1: pain when y'all listen to the album, Like we argue

2807
02:23:14,120 --> 02:23:15,359
Speaker 1: with the lady on that solid.

2808
02:23:16,680 --> 02:23:22,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, not my favorite, the cards trap off that you

2809
02:23:23,040 --> 02:23:26,480
Speaker 3: dirty ass bitch, you punk ass, that's your I.

2810
02:23:26,520 --> 02:23:29,080
Speaker 6: Said, only had to hear it one time and recognize

2811
02:23:29,120 --> 02:23:33,120
Speaker 6: how great it was. Trap.

2812
02:23:33,200 --> 02:23:34,840
Speaker 5: You listened to it one time because there was nothing

2813
02:23:34,920 --> 02:23:37,279
Speaker 5: else play backable, Like you didn't want to listen.

2814
02:23:39,360 --> 02:23:43,120
Speaker 1: That ship hurt that ship like I listen to it.

2815
02:23:43,720 --> 02:23:46,200
Speaker 3: That's the thing about Doc, Like I listened to all

2816
02:23:46,240 --> 02:23:49,000
Speaker 3: the albums at least a couple of times straight through,

2817
02:23:49,120 --> 02:23:51,440
Speaker 3: right because he that type of artist. Damn was my

2818
02:23:52,280 --> 02:23:56,640
Speaker 3: Damn was my Probably the it was the second or

2819
02:23:56,720 --> 02:23:59,720
Speaker 3: third best one section eighty was up there see your

2820
02:23:59,760 --> 02:24:01,640
Speaker 3: next by far as just the ship.

2821
02:24:03,959 --> 02:24:06,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew I wasn't gonna like big steppers when.

2822
02:24:06,920 --> 02:24:08,920
Speaker 3: See and that's weird to me. Shout out to Moses.

2823
02:24:09,080 --> 02:24:12,160
Speaker 3: He said, we cried together. It's fire, just fire, wouldn't

2824
02:24:12,160 --> 02:24:14,440
Speaker 3: be the thing I would describe to speak on that song.

2825
02:24:15,160 --> 02:24:16,920
Speaker 3: I know, like fire Bro, I didnt know.

2826
02:24:16,959 --> 02:24:18,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna like the big Steppers when too many

2827
02:24:19,200 --> 02:24:23,200
Speaker 1: young kids like that, like I'm more depressed, motherfucker. Yes,

2828
02:24:24,080 --> 02:24:26,080
Speaker 1: too many Step and six on me.

2829
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Speaker 6: You heard father niggas.

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Speaker 3: You gotta appreciate his range as an artist. I do

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02:24:35,800 --> 02:24:39,680
Speaker 3: appreciate as an artistry as an artist. I'm a huge

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Speaker 3: Kanye West fan.

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Speaker 5: Let me ask you six six and Trap yeap, what's

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Speaker 5: better Big Steppers or g next to y'all.

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Speaker 1: They're completely different albums for different albums, but one is

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Speaker 1: better than others to y'all.

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Speaker 9: It's literally just completely It's like comparing the Power Forward

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Speaker 9: to a point Guard shout.

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Speaker 3: Out to and I'm listening to that motherfucker. Now, gee,

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Speaker 3: you listen to this nigga argue with this lady on

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Speaker 3: this song in the middle of this. You a sick nigga, Bro.

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Speaker 6: You just like you.

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Speaker 9: I'll admit the argument part is a little much, but

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Speaker 9: that that I can't pick that one moment and judged

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Speaker 9: the whole album for that.

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Speaker 1: But the whole album is sad. Yeah, But I mean

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Speaker 1: some people are said I understand.

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Speaker 3: That's that's why I said it sound like the pain

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Speaker 3: of cat scratching papers like shout out to thank You

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Speaker 3: for Do Dollars, my favorite album still in rotation all day.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 1: I played that ship two or three times. That was it, Jack,

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Speaker 1: he said, I hate to say it being from Watts,

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Speaker 1: but I like J Cole over K DO. That's not crazy,

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Speaker 1: Actually not crazy. That's not crazy.

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Speaker 6: Go ahead and they I think that.

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Speaker 1: Out there. I see y'all Friday, man.

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Speaker 3: But looking out for tuning into the Note Sellers podcast.

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Speaker 3: Please do us a favorite, subscribe, rate, comment, and share.

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Speaker 3: This episode was recorded right here on the West coast

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Speaker 3: of the USA. It produced about the Black Effect podcast

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Speaker 3: network and not heard radio year