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Speaker 1: Vikings on Sunday afternoon as the Cowboys hit the road.
Speaker 1: And we're here to prepare you all for at Bill
Speaker 1: Jones along with Everson Walls and Mickey Spagnola inside the
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Speaker 1: And how are we doing on this very fine football Friday?
Speaker 1: Let's start with you ever soon. How are you doing?
Speaker 1: I am doing just fine. I'm glad we're in this
Speaker 1: wonderful weather. Anytime you think of the Vikings, you always
Speaker 1: think of old Minneapolis. What is it? Was it metro Stadium, Metropolitans,
Speaker 1: Metropolitan Stadium, Connesota outdoors. They didn't have turf, It was grass.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine in December what that grass would have
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the frozen dirt would have felt like playing
Speaker 1: against the Minnesota Vikings. That's right, is that, of course
Speaker 1: the Metro Dome, And now they've got a sparkling, relatively
Speaker 1: new stadium up there, which Mickey, Mickey Spagnola, you've been
Speaker 1: in all of the stadiums that they've played Vikings games, right,
Speaker 1: I don't think so? Why not? I wasn't there when
Speaker 1: they had the benches on the same side of the field.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's old school stuff. Did you play in it?
Speaker 1: I don't believe coach allowed them to wear gloves. Wait
Speaker 1: did he let him wear gloves? You remember? He was
Speaker 1: he was you know, Buck was was kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't they They couldn't wear gloves in the game,
Speaker 1: no matter how cold it was. And I think practice
Speaker 1: had the same rules. So it was pretty tough playing
Speaker 1: for the Vikings back then. You had to be a
Speaker 1: man's man, mind over matter. Yeah. But were they in
Speaker 1: the dome by time you got there? Yeah? Thank god,
Speaker 1: Yes they were. The do I probably would have played.
Speaker 1: I probably would have been injured for like the first
Speaker 1: time in my career if I would have had to
Speaker 1: go up to playing that old Metro Dome. Frozen dirt,
Speaker 1: that's frozen tundra. Forget Green Bay frozen tundra is Minnesota many.
Speaker 1: This is very much though not the Hail Mary was
Speaker 1: at the Metropolitan Stadium. It was out. Hail Mary was
Speaker 1: on my sixteenth birthday, which I always I never failed
Speaker 1: to point out. So I have been a part of
Speaker 1: cowboy lore even when I was my voice was still changing.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm looking up about the old met and
Speaker 1: it was I was old enough to watch games on
Speaker 1: television from there with Ray Scott calling the games. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: my favorite guy. Yep. They broke ground in nineteen fifty
Speaker 1: five on Metropolitan Stadium. It opened in nineteen fifty six.
Speaker 1: It closed December twentieth, nineteen eighty one. So ever since
Speaker 1: you really did just miss Thank goodness, we didn't have
Speaker 1: to play that division my rookie. I think the coldest
Speaker 1: game my rookie year could have been in Indianapolis. I
Speaker 1: know it was a really ugly game in Indianapolis. Curtis Dickey,
Speaker 1: Texas say and then running back was the starting running
Speaker 1: back for the Baltimore Coats. I'm sorry at that time,
Speaker 1: and we ended up playing in New Jersey last game
Speaker 1: of the season. We did not need that game. The
Speaker 1: Giants needed that game to make the playoffs. It was
Speaker 1: the last game of the season and we couldn't wait
Speaker 1: to get the heck out of there. I think it
Speaker 1: was the wind chill had to be around twenty something
Speaker 1: beautiful day, snow was all on the sideline, no precipitation,
Speaker 1: but it was about twenty degrees wind chill, and we
Speaker 1: went into overtime. Come on, what is going on here?
Speaker 1: We didn't even need the game and we went into overtime.
Speaker 1: That was the worst. I'm not gonna lie. I could
Speaker 1: care Le's who won the game, but the Giants did
Speaker 1: win in overtime, and they ended up playing San Francisco
Speaker 1: I believe uh in that first round Soil, What did
Speaker 1: you mentioned? Where did the Vikings play? You go ahead, Mickey,
Speaker 1: Where did the Vikings play before they went into Metropolitan Stadium?
Speaker 1: Or who was playing in there when they opened it?
Speaker 1: You said fifty six fifty six. Well, I gotta go
Speaker 1: back now, you probably had it. I did, and I
Speaker 1: moved on. I moved on to Curtis Dickey. Curtis Dickey
Speaker 1: because it's funny you mentioned Curtis Dickey. I almost mentioned
Speaker 1: him the other day when you were talking about Herky
Speaker 1: and being a sprinter. You know, Curtis. Curtis Dickey was
Speaker 1: a great sprinter. And uh and in fact, I would
Speaker 1: have wouldn't be surprised if Herky Walls and Curtis Dickey
Speaker 1: matched up together in high school. It was like this,
Speaker 1: Herkey was down here running and Curtis was way up here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember rutching David and Goliath compete for the hundred
Speaker 1: hundred at that time, one hundred of your dad. I
Speaker 1: remember going to the regional track made at Foutsfield in
Speaker 1: Denton and watching Curtis Dickey run, and Herkey might have
Speaker 1: been in that same race. I'm pretty sure he was
Speaker 1: all right to answer your question, Mickey on Metropolitan Stadium, Bloomington, Minnesota.
Speaker 1: The Minneapolis Miller's minor league baseball team played at the
Speaker 1: met starting in nineteen fifty six to nineteen sixty. The
Speaker 1: Twins moved from Washington. The Senators moved from Washington to
Speaker 1: Minnesota to become the Twins, and then they got there
Speaker 1: another franchise which became the Rangers after that. So the
Speaker 1: Twins played there starting in nineteen sixty one, and the
Speaker 1: Vikings also started in nineteen sixty one because they were
Speaker 1: the second So there you go. They were the second
Speaker 1: expansion team. The Cowboys were the first, and they came
Speaker 1: the next year and they gave Minnesota the franchise early
Speaker 1: enough for them to participate in that six one draft
Speaker 1: that was in December of nineteen sixty. So they got
Speaker 1: the first pick where the Cowboys got No. Who was that? Bill? Oh?
Speaker 1: You know what? I just looked at that yesterday and
Speaker 1: now I forgot, um, what was that? What was the
Speaker 1: Vikings had the first pick in the sixty one draft
Speaker 1: and he wanted to know who it was. Who was that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And the Cowboys had traded away Maybe I don't know
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had traded away, they would have had the
Speaker 1: Cowboys would have had the second pick, but they traded
Speaker 1: it away the year before to get Eddie LeBaron from
Speaker 1: the Redskins to play quarterback because they didn't have Meredith
Speaker 1: just yet. So they ended up with the thirteenth pick
Speaker 1: in that sixty one draft because they traded their first
Speaker 1: round pick in sixty two to Cleveland to get their
Speaker 1: first round pick in sixty one, and it ended up
Speaker 1: being Bob lily Wow with the thirteenth pick. Bob thirteenth pick,
Speaker 1: thirteenth pick. And by the way, the Vikings with the
Speaker 1: number one pick, selected a half back from Tulane University,
Speaker 1: Tommy Mason. He played with him. Thank you Cowboys, gil Brant.
Speaker 1: Gil Brant won that draft with the thirteenth pick with
Speaker 1: Bob Lily. But I think I looked it up, Bill,
Speaker 1: and there was four four Hall of famers in that draft.
Speaker 1: If I remember correctly, it was Ditka. Mike Ditka was
Speaker 1: the fifth pick to Chicago Jimmy Johnson, not the former
Speaker 1: Cowboy head coach, Jimmy Johnson, San Francisco, that's right, and
Speaker 1: a sixth fith to San Francisco. Herb atterly went twelfth
Speaker 1: to Green Bay, Bob Lily thirteenth to Dallas. So there
Speaker 1: was I just rattled off four Ditka, Jimmy Johnson, Herbatterly,
Speaker 1: Bob Lily, uh and fran Tarkington went in the third round.
Speaker 1: So the Vikings waited to the third round to take
Speaker 1: one of the greatest players of all time in their history,
Speaker 1: might be the greatest. And I don't see another one,
Speaker 1: and then I think, there you go. And there was
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks in the first round? Was it Norm Sneed
Speaker 1: and Billy Kilmer? All right? Going back to the first
Speaker 1: round of the nineteen sixty one draft. Everything that you
Speaker 1: would want to know about the nineteen sixty norm Sneed
Speaker 1: was the number two pick. The number two pick was
Speaker 1: norm Sneed to Washington. Okay, I pick acquired from the Cowboys, okay.
Speaker 1: And the next quarterback taken was Billy Kilbert to San
Speaker 1: Francisco at number eleven. Very good. So there you go,
Speaker 1: and now you know the rust you start to be
Speaker 1: a jerk. Bill. No, I did not play against Billy Kilmer. Okay.
Speaker 1: My feelings are still hurt from that comment. There you go,
Speaker 1: all right, Mickey, Yes, Jerry talked this morning. He did.
Speaker 1: You want to go straight to Jerry. You want to
Speaker 1: talk about who's on the well, there's no there's a
Speaker 1: walk through today. You want to update, Uh, Marcus Lawrence?
Speaker 1: Is it sounds like lady Gregory's back? Go ahead. Gregory
Speaker 1: was back in the building today. He had missed the
Speaker 1: two days of practice with an illness, but he was
Speaker 1: back in the building, so he's good to go to.
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence is not here, but Mike McCarthy said everything
Speaker 1: was pointing towards him being able to play on Sunday.
Speaker 1: So I think what happened, and McCarthy kind of got
Speaker 1: into it a little bit later in his conference call.
Speaker 1: Is any think about this. If I sneeze and you're
Speaker 1: in the room, you're running out right because we're so
Speaker 1: worried about COVID, Right, I can't have like an allergy
Speaker 1: or just you know, I smelled some black pepper or
Speaker 1: something and I sneezed. It's like, oh no, so when
Speaker 1: you have when they say illness, now you could have
Speaker 1: a sore throat or you can have a runny nose
Speaker 1: or whatever, and it could be an allergy. But they're going, oh, now,
Speaker 1: with COVID, you stay home until we you know, you
Speaker 1: pass a couple of tests. So I think that might
Speaker 1: be what happened with those guys, just because you know,
Speaker 1: everybody's such on alert. But it sounded like both should
Speaker 1: be able to play. And the other thing that I
Speaker 1: thought it was encouraging. On the report, I was trying
Speaker 1: to you know, how you on zoom, you gotta kind
Speaker 1: of when you're when you're muted, you got to get
Speaker 1: your hand in the air, your your virtual hand to
Speaker 1: ask a question. And I was in the midst of
Speaker 1: trying to get Scott's attention to let me ask a question,
Speaker 1: and then I got beat to the punch. But it
Speaker 1: got asked about Brandon Knight how we looked this week,
Speaker 1: and uh, Mike said, he looked, he looked good and
Speaker 1: that he liked the way he moved around, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't willing to go the next step. So if he's
Speaker 1: good enough to play, would he go in at right tackle?
Speaker 1: And he said, we haven't got into that. That's down
Speaker 1: the line. Obviously he wasn't gonna say, but at least
Speaker 1: it got asked that, you know, the possibility if he's
Speaker 1: ready to go, is he a better tackle than Terrence Steel?
Speaker 1: And we talked about that yesterday, So we'll see where
Speaker 1: that goes. But at least they like the progress he made.
Speaker 1: You know, I have to ask the question because this
Speaker 1: is such a unique situation in regards to send the
Speaker 1: people home when you have a game to play, you know,
Speaker 1: in the number of days from the moment that you're
Speaker 1: sent home. So you go home and you're isolated, I
Speaker 1: guess self, isolation. I mean, what do you do? Do
Speaker 1: they continue to work out? Right? Do they I'm getting
Speaker 1: ready for a game next week even though I'm at
Speaker 1: home and they've I've been emancipated even though they've done that.
Speaker 1: You know, once you get home, do they make you rest? Um?
Speaker 1: What is the what is the order of the day
Speaker 1: from the cowboy doctors? Do I go home and get
Speaker 1: on the treadmill? You know? Do I go left? Can
Speaker 1: I still do that? What? What? What's the protocol for
Speaker 1: a player that's in that situation? You know, I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: but you know. In Andy Dalton's interview yesterday, he talked
Speaker 1: about how, you know, when he when he was starting
Speaker 1: to feel better from the concussion protocol and he was
Speaker 1: at home, he had started to kind of work out
Speaker 1: and do some things from home. Uh, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, when he thought he was ready to
Speaker 1: come back in the building, the COVID nineteen hit. And
Speaker 1: then he had to go through that protocol. And it
Speaker 1: was pretty interesting talking about how it wasn't just him,
Speaker 1: but his wife came down tested positive, one of his
Speaker 1: sons tested positive. So he's they got a house full
Speaker 1: of positive tests and and and he said, and that's
Speaker 1: when I had Yeah, you can't take that stuff for granted.
Speaker 1: And we just talk about positive tests like I just
Speaker 1: got a fever. You know, that's it can go from
Speaker 1: being very benign to something extremely dangerous. He said that
Speaker 1: first day had hit him pretty hard, so he had
Speaker 1: to back off, and then you know, he talked about
Speaker 1: I was surprised. He talked openly about how he lost
Speaker 1: his sense of smell and sense of taste, and that
Speaker 1: the taste still hasn't come back, so he said, he said,
Speaker 1: he said, I think he put it this way. I
Speaker 1: might as well eat healthy because I can't taste it.
Speaker 1: So there's no benefit to have something spicy because I
Speaker 1: can't taste it. Plant based food, yeah, I can see
Speaker 1: him him the plant based burger now, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the time his wife is gonna slide him
Speaker 1: that stuff that he needs to be eating as he
Speaker 1: as he gets to meet me. And Bill's age, he's
Speaker 1: only thirty three. He turned thirty three the last weekend
Speaker 1: or the last weekend October. But I'm sure those guys
Speaker 1: they have they have equipment at home that they can use,
Speaker 1: just like everybody. You know. If I'm a Dalton, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure he's got a great workout room at home,
Speaker 1: and I would be trying to get off in there,
Speaker 1: stay in shape so that when I come back I'm
Speaker 1: ready to go, you know. But but you know, if
Speaker 1: you're feeling like he was feeling if if if COVID
Speaker 1: hits you like that totally different deal as opposed to
Speaker 1: being contact in contact with someone who had it versus
Speaker 1: someone versus you testing positive for it. Two big differences there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he looks like ready to go, Bill Uh. It
Speaker 1: looks like he's practiced well. Uh. And Tyrone Crawford should
Speaker 1: be ready to go to his was contact tracing that
Speaker 1: kept him at home. So from a from a health
Speaker 1: standpoint other than Trayvon digs Um, you know they're they're
Speaker 1: in pretty good shape right now. Yeah, what about the Vikings?
Speaker 1: What about the Vikings? You saw Huku popped up on
Speaker 1: their injury report yesterday as a COVID reserve guy. I
Speaker 1: did not, Did you see that? Now? C J Hamm
Speaker 1: the fullback? No, CJ. Yes. We talked about throughout this
Speaker 1: week about how they used the fullback and so forth. Well,
Speaker 1: yesterday c J. Ham popped up on their report as
Speaker 1: a COVID UH positive, as a co COVID reserve guy,
Speaker 1: not not saying he's tested positive. Well, you see that
Speaker 1: because on the on the Wednesday injury report he did
Speaker 1: not practice and it said not injury related. So again
Speaker 1: there you know what happens when Okay, you're around somebody,
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, stay home, don't practice with us. Hey didn't,
Speaker 1: didn't the center didn't, They didn't their office. The center
Speaker 1: have an issue as well, Um Bradberry, their center had
Speaker 1: an injury. Yeah, but he was limited. He was limited
Speaker 1: in practice. It's Ezra Cleeve London did not participate yesterday
Speaker 1: and starting offensive guard right, so I would think that
Speaker 1: Drew Samil would start for him instead. Uh see, how
Speaker 1: a center, that's a that's an an essential position. I
Speaker 1: was watching the game last night. I don't know how
Speaker 1: many false starts, uh that the Arizona that Arizona NA. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this this guy was. They didn't even have
Speaker 1: a crowd there and the twelfth man was still prevalently
Speaker 1: in that ball game. I mean, they had so many
Speaker 1: false starts it was ridiculous. And I think it was
Speaker 1: all related to the fact that they had to replacement center.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's that's something that could you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm the Cowboys, I'm gonna try to
Speaker 1: take advantage that. If this guy's kind of injured and
Speaker 1: then you have no full back. That kind of changes
Speaker 1: the game playing a little bit. Maybe not the game plan,
Speaker 1: but my train of thought and how I'm going to
Speaker 1: attack this offense. And uh, I'm looking at some updated
Speaker 1: reports on the on the Vikings. The Vikings have ruled
Speaker 1: Ezra Cleveland out of Sunday's game now and Brett Jones
Speaker 1: will actually replace him, and U and Zimmer Mike Zimmer
Speaker 1: says that fullback Steve j Ham, placed Thursday on the
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen reserve list, could play Sunday. So that tells
Speaker 1: you he did not test positive. He was one of
Speaker 1: those contact tracing ones. And uh yeah, so they got
Speaker 1: to figure that out by something on their depth chart.
Speaker 1: They don't have a backup fullback listed, right, and he
Speaker 1: had thirty five snaps last week and their most recent win.
Speaker 1: So and we've talked about how much they use that, Helmut,
Speaker 1: how much they use the fullback, much more than any
Speaker 1: other team in the league. Really, yeah, all right, we
Speaker 1: got some We got Jerry talking about a variety of
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Speaker 1: See what kind of celebrities we have? Yeah, that will
Speaker 1: do that. You know, I gotta I gotta a deal
Speaker 1: from the University of Missouri. Uh, they were they were
Speaker 1: gonna do some of the virtual for a fundraiser. Right,
Speaker 1: you needed to pay I don't know, twenty bucks, thirty
Speaker 1: bucks and send your picture with some Missouri gear on
Speaker 1: and they would make one of those uh fake fans
Speaker 1: in the stands with your face on it. I forgot
Speaker 1: to do it. I was gonna do. Have you done that? No,
Speaker 1: I forgot When you just says it costs I think
Speaker 1: like twenty or thirty dollars. That would be cool if
Speaker 1: you know, you might have got on TV, but they
Speaker 1: got fans in the stands. What would be cool is
Speaker 1: you get all of the you get some of the
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Speaker 1: they had in the championship game in the NBA. It'd
Speaker 1: be nice if we could see, you know, Lebron watching
Speaker 1: his favorite team, the Cowboys play. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of it's a lot of major fans out there
Speaker 1: that are Cowboy fans, I mean, very notable fans out there,
Speaker 1: so they'd be right to see a couple of them
Speaker 1: show up. That'd be cool. Yeah, all right, Mickey, you
Speaker 1: took a listen to Jerry this morning as a regular
Speaker 1: Friday morning spot on the fan, and some interesting comments
Speaker 1: came out of that this morning. Yeah. Absolutely, And you know,
Speaker 1: they were talking to him about the division race, and
Speaker 1: they kind of laid out a scenario that if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys can sweep all three of the remaining NFC East
Speaker 1: games and then win one more game to get the
Speaker 1: six wins, they would have a good chance of winning
Speaker 1: the division. And they wanted to know what Jerry had
Speaker 1: to think about this at this point when so many
Speaker 1: people are talking about, you know, not trying to win,
Speaker 1: get a get a better draft choice, and you know,
Speaker 1: he went out. He started off by saying, you know,
Speaker 1: I've seen so much in my time, and he basically
Speaker 1: his point was that if you can get going, you
Speaker 1: can do a lot of damage with seven games left.
Speaker 1: And I thought it was very interesting on how he
Speaker 1: kind of explained himself and basically pointed out, this is
Speaker 1: no time to be tanking, but to pass. To get
Speaker 1: there were daunting but if we get there, we can
Speaker 1: get there with a team that might be capable of
Speaker 1: doing more than we're giving credit for. A right today,
Speaker 1: I know that there's there's just no way. We hear
Speaker 1: about preparing for next year, we hear about doing some
Speaker 1: things like that, there's no way I can go there
Speaker 1: at this time. I'm interested in what we're going to
Speaker 1: do up here against Minnesota, if we do some good
Speaker 1: things on the field and take advantage of some things
Speaker 1: we're talking about right here, and I'm not going to
Speaker 1: be ready to talk next year for a long time.
Speaker 1: And you know, and one of the things when he
Speaker 1: said about preparing for Minnesota, and he also basically pointed
Speaker 1: out that, you know, he knows that hasn't showed up
Speaker 1: in wins, but he sees the team improving. And he said,
Speaker 1: and he said, you naturally, with the amount of young
Speaker 1: guys we're playing, you would improve. The more reps you
Speaker 1: get in practice, the more snaps you get in games,
Speaker 1: getting vander esh back on the field, and he said,
Speaker 1: he said, I don't in any way give us a
Speaker 1: handicap going into that game. He thinks that they can
Speaker 1: go up there and play a side holid team and
Speaker 1: play well enough to win. So we'll see. And you know,
Speaker 1: Jerry's always very optimistic, but yeah, he basically pointed out,
Speaker 1: don't come in here with this tanking stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: we still got a long ways to go, only one
Speaker 1: win behind the team it's leading the division. I kind
Speaker 1: of like it. You can kind of tell when when
Speaker 1: Jerry um it has a little more false bravado versus
Speaker 1: when he's really focused. Right, And to me that sounded
Speaker 1: like a very focused interview to where this is not
Speaker 1: where our mindset is and we don't even want to
Speaker 1: think about that now. The key point is he said
Speaker 1: at this point, he said what I'm thinking about. So
Speaker 1: that's good. That's good to hear because he shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're talking about the businessman running a
Speaker 1: football team, I would I wouldn't necessarily run a team
Speaker 1: as a business. But when you start looking you can
Speaker 1: get personnel and how you can improve your team. To me,
Speaker 1: that is business when you start looking at personnel alone.
Speaker 1: And so when you start doing your quality control as
Speaker 1: far as what your team is doing, you can see
Speaker 1: a little hope here, a little hope there. The way
Speaker 1: you pointed out spags and you go over a certain
Speaker 1: critical punch in the ball game, and we talked about, okay,
Speaker 1: if we could have done this better, then the outcome
Speaker 1: would be a little smoother. If we could have moved
Speaker 1: forward at this point, then the outcome would have been better,
Speaker 1: been more positive. That's the only way you can look
Speaker 1: at the team quality control, see where you made your mistakes,
Speaker 1: and say, look, okay, if we're gonna turn this around,
Speaker 1: these things have to change instead of this being a
Speaker 1: negative at this point, we're gonna have to change this situation.
Speaker 1: Whether it's a third down situation or whether you're talking
Speaker 1: offensively improving your running game, whatever, whatever segment of your
Speaker 1: team you want to improve, it has to be really
Speaker 1: isolated on and you have to really hone in on that.
Speaker 1: And I like the fact that that's what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are doing because that's what we do on the show.
Speaker 1: We take a particular incident in a ball game and say,
Speaker 1: if this would have been done better, the outcome would
Speaker 1: have been different, or at least has a chance to
Speaker 1: be different. And that's all Jerry's doing. He's being optimistic
Speaker 1: about where he sees we can improve. And these are
Speaker 1: not far fetched optimistic sites that he has on the team.
Speaker 1: This is something that is very doable. And he feels
Speaker 1: that that's why you had that sense of defiance in
Speaker 1: that interview that he had. Yeah, and he kind of
Speaker 1: started it off. And I don't know if we heard
Speaker 1: it all from the beginning, but he said, if you
Speaker 1: can get on the right path, and then his point
Speaker 1: was the path right now is dawning. But the other thing,
Speaker 1: since you mentioned the running game, uh, they you know,
Speaker 1: they kind of came at him with Zeke, are you
Speaker 1: disappointed that he hasn't done this, this or this? Uh? Andy,
Speaker 1: And he started off saying, I think we're selling him short. Uh.
Speaker 1: He said, Uh. He said, it's it's it's early early
Speaker 1: when we could see there was some problems with our offense.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just him, you know, the offensive line, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the turnovers. But I think he caught the
Speaker 1: guys by surprise. Uh. And it's a quick cut here,
Speaker 1: but I think he caught him by surprise when he
Speaker 1: said this about Zeke. He's our best football player. He's
Speaker 1: our best one. And having said that, we just got
Speaker 1: to have more chances to expose him to the defense.
Speaker 1: And we're going to do that. So how about that. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he met the best player on the field
Speaker 1: right now. I don't think he was. I don't want
Speaker 1: anybody to say, oh, he's taking a shot at dak right,
Speaker 1: but his point wash, you know, and I guess we
Speaker 1: could argue you want to, you want to argue for
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, But other than that, I don't know where
Speaker 1: else you would go on that discussion. Well, to me,
Speaker 1: if i'm if, I'm Zeke, and i'm i'm I'm accustomed
Speaker 1: to three all pros and a very solid offensive line.
Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden, I look in the
Speaker 1: hovel and it's me, Mickey Spagnola and Bill Jones sitting there.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sorry, my chances of success are gonna
Speaker 1: be dwindled greatly. So to just dismiss the fact that
Speaker 1: he's gone through so much in regards to a different
Speaker 1: personnel on the offensive line, you can't ignore that. I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, let's let's just be real about it. Any
Speaker 1: good running any good running back in history has always
Speaker 1: had a formidable offensive line, and right now Zeke does
Speaker 1: not have that. It's just it's no no knock on
Speaker 1: the guys of the plane, no knock at all. But
Speaker 1: they don't have the experience, all the expertise of what
Speaker 1: from what Zeke is used to running behind. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know what, and it's funny how excuses are made
Speaker 1: for the quarterback when the offensive line is not performing
Speaker 1: the way it should be. But then it's like, well
Speaker 1: we should just rely on the running game. Well, if
Speaker 1: they can't bass block, does that assume that they can
Speaker 1: run block a lot better? And probably not. They are
Speaker 1: who they are, it's not it's not their fault. Are
Speaker 1: who they are. That's right there. I mean, And so
Speaker 1: that affects the running game too, when you have guys
Speaker 1: missing blocks and you've got new tight ends out there
Speaker 1: that you know have not There have been times when
Speaker 1: the tight ends have been the problem too, in both
Speaker 1: instances running pass blocking two. So I understand what Jerry
Speaker 1: what Jerry was saying, but yeah, he was. He was
Speaker 1: pretty interesting today. So if anybody has an opportunity to,
Speaker 1: you know, listen to his fifteen minutes, it was it
Speaker 1: was pretty good. Let me throw this out there because
Speaker 1: I hear it from fans and and from media too.
Speaker 1: I was just on a radio show earlier today and
Speaker 1: they're asking me, why not more snaps for Tony Pollard,
Speaker 1: Give more carries to Tony Pollard. If Tony Pollard had
Speaker 1: let's reverse it, and let's say Tony Pollard got Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott snaps in the game and Zeke got Tony Pollard's
Speaker 1: carries in a game, what would Tony Pollard's yards per
Speaker 1: rushing attempt be. He's at four point four yards per
Speaker 1: attempt right now on the season, he's at uh, where
Speaker 1: is he? He's forty seven carries for two hundred and
Speaker 1: six yards, while Zeke is at three point eight yards
Speaker 1: per carry and Zeke hast one hundred and fifty one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty carries for five hundred and seventy two yards. Whatever.
Speaker 1: There's my point is there's a difference in the type
Speaker 1: carries that Zeke is getting compared to Pollard, right exactly,
Speaker 1: because they're not putting Pollard in there on third and
Speaker 1: three or third and two and handing them the ball. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's not getting it on fourth and one when you
Speaker 1: just need one right tone, Yeah, yeah, exactly, And you
Speaker 1: know what, and he has the benefit of that change
Speaker 1: of pace, right they're used to. You get the defense
Speaker 1: kind of sitting in there tough and against a guy
Speaker 1: like Zeke, you kind of know where he's coming from.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, Pollard gets a pitch
Speaker 1: out wide and it's like Oh, he's fast. You know
Speaker 1: you're used to Zeke pounding it in there. I just
Speaker 1: don't think people give Zeke credit for the dirty yards
Speaker 1: he has been getting this entire time. We talked about that.
Speaker 1: I think we talked about it last week, that the
Speaker 1: thunder and lightning that I enjoy watching Pollard is definitely
Speaker 1: benefiting from the hard, tough yards that Zeke is getting.
Speaker 1: And let's let's just be fair here. Pollard, to me,
Speaker 1: would be a great starting running back for any other team.
Speaker 1: Let's just be real about that. He's a great player,
Speaker 1: very diverse in what he does. He punt return, kick return,
Speaker 1: he does it all. He's very exciting. But to be
Speaker 1: a starting running back, I don't know if he would
Speaker 1: be able to do that here with the Cowboys on
Speaker 1: a consistent basis. He's one of those guys I believe
Speaker 1: would truly need a fullback. He would be like a
Speaker 1: cook as far as I'm concerned, he would need that fullback.
Speaker 1: To me, Zeke doesn't need that fullback. That's why he's
Speaker 1: always taking that first huge contact anytime he harries the ball,
Speaker 1: because there's no one in front of him, and once
Speaker 1: he gets to that hole, he's gonna meet somebody and
Speaker 1: it's gonna be man on man and usually Zeke wins
Speaker 1: that battle. All right, picks to click or coming up
Speaker 1: next to the Cowboys beat the Vikings on Sunday on
Speaker 1: the non frozen tundra inside what do they call that
Speaker 1: stadium up there? I knew you were gonna ask me.
Speaker 1: Hang on, all right, Nicky's gonna look that up. We're
Speaker 1: coming back with that. We've been there. Its Bank Stadium,
Speaker 1: all right, US Bank Stadium doesn't matter because we don't.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna be there with this for some reason,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Does that's right? No? All right,
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Speaker 1: of the wait, getting you set for the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: the Vikings. And by the way, yesterday we were talking
Speaker 1: about great players in Vikings history. I did a little
Speaker 1: bit of research. Here are your Hall of Fame players
Speaker 1: for the Minnesota Vikings. Fran Tarkington, Alan Page, Paul Krausse,
Speaker 1: Ron Yerry Mick Tingelhoff, Carla Eller, Chris Carter Randall, McDaniel,
Speaker 1: John Randall, Chris Dolman, and of course you got the
Speaker 1: head coach, Bud Grant, GM Jim Finks, I did a
Speaker 1: little talkback interview with a reporter for Minneapolis yesterday. He
Speaker 1: threw in Randy Moss and Adrian Peterson as great players
Speaker 1: in Vikings history. So you hear that list, And who's
Speaker 1: the greatest player in Vikings history? Who's the greatest? Yeah? Yeah, Tarking.
Speaker 1: You thought you thought Tarkington yesterday, didn't you? I mentioned
Speaker 1: talking to him. But I'm gonna go with a defensive man.
Speaker 1: I'm going with Alan Page. I like Alan Page too,
Speaker 1: I'm going with Alan Page. He was he was just
Speaker 1: a straight up beast. I'm sorry. So my Mickey Desart,
Speaker 1: my research came up with the six numbers they retired,
Speaker 1: the six players numbers they retired, Okay, Fran Tarkington number ten,
Speaker 1: Mick Tingelhoff fifty three, Jim Marshall's seventy, Corey Stringer seventy seven,
Speaker 1: Chris Carter eighty and then Alan Page eighty eight. Those
Speaker 1: are their retired numbers. Not Chop Foreman. I was surprised
Speaker 1: by that. What's that? He said? No, Chuck Foreman, that
Speaker 1: was the guy I mentioned yesterday. Chuck Foreman was awfully good.
Speaker 1: So there you go. We got two votes for Alan
Speaker 1: Page and Mickey, who you voting? Yeah, Alan Page for sure, Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I didn't realize he was the NFL MVP
Speaker 1: one year, so that's what sold it for me. That's
Speaker 1: crazy at that time, at that position. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have him. Yeah, that's a good purple people leaders. All right. Okay,
Speaker 1: wait a second. Chris Beam, our producer, who were like,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at him on our WebEx feed and he's
Speaker 1: shaking his head. He didn't like our pinion, like alang
Speaker 1: all right, Chris, who does he like? Adrian Peterson? We
Speaker 1: didn't even talk about him yesterday. His name didn't even
Speaker 1: come up. What, no doubt give him credit on that one.
Speaker 1: I do have to give him credit on that one.
Speaker 1: So you're changing your vote from Alan Page Adrian Jameson
Speaker 1: not changing my boat, but god, Adrian Peterson and the
Speaker 1: Texas kid too. No that that gives him an Oklahoma
Speaker 1: sooner at that and still that's that's my honorable mention. Sorry,
Speaker 1: but I can't get out. I can't give him a
Speaker 1: bow and paced there you go. All right, So let's
Speaker 1: talk about the current vikings. And by the way, they've
Speaker 1: got a player on injured reserve this year who I
Speaker 1: think is eventually going to be in their Ring of Honor,
Speaker 1: and that is their defensive end to Neil Hunter. As
Speaker 1: long as he comes back from this injury. I think
Speaker 1: he is that good. But he's not playing on Sunday.
Speaker 1: What's this history, Well, in his first five years, five
Speaker 1: years in the league from what school, LSU? In fact,
Speaker 1: he's the guy. He's the guy I thought the Cowboys
Speaker 1: should have drafted in twenty What year did Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: come out? He lasted to the third round twenty. He
Speaker 1: only had like three sets, he only had like three
Speaker 1: sacks in college at LSU, but he was twenty years
Speaker 1: old coming out. I was so enamored with him coming
Speaker 1: into the draft that year. I said, Cowboys need to
Speaker 1: take this guy in the first round. But he was
Speaker 1: a late bloomers type and so Mary Nelly didn't like him.
Speaker 1: They wanted someone who can produce immediately, you know, and
Speaker 1: so they took Randy Gregory in the second round. But anyway,
Speaker 1: he's got over fifty sacks his first five years in
Speaker 1: the league and he's only twenty five, twenty six years old.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's going to play another ten years. Assuming
Speaker 1: this injury and debilitating anyway, all right, so this Vikings team,
Speaker 1: let's start with you ever send your thoughts on a
Speaker 1: pick to click and a winner on Sunday? Who do
Speaker 1: you got? Well my pick to click? First, I have
Speaker 1: to set up the situation the Cowboys in order to
Speaker 1: be successful, they're gonna have to play first down very well.
Speaker 1: We know it's gonna be running. They may come out
Speaker 1: with some tricks, would play action early on, but when
Speaker 1: the game as it progresses, Minnesota is going to try
Speaker 1: and gass you on first down with Delvin Cook. In
Speaker 1: order for us to be successful, we have to stop that.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna have to stop that with our linebackers.
Speaker 1: So as much as we talk about a pick to click,
Speaker 1: I got three picks to click, and I'm looking at
Speaker 1: our entire linebacker squad, Jalen, Sean Lee, and Layton. If
Speaker 1: we're gonna be successful, they have to have a hell
Speaker 1: of a game. I'm not y'all just talking about stopping
Speaker 1: the run. I'm talking about shutting down that tight end.
Speaker 1: Because when they put that ball, when they put that
Speaker 1: ball in Cook's belly and they bring it out, they're
Speaker 1: gonna be looking for Kyle rud Off. And that's another
Speaker 1: opportunity for our linebackers to make a difference in this game.
Speaker 1: I look for us to win best case scenario. I
Speaker 1: always say this best case scenario, things work out well.
Speaker 1: Cowboys twenty seven and twenty seven twenty all right, very
Speaker 1: good opening up that off VICKI what are you thinking?
Speaker 1: As my pick to click? I'm gonna go with a
Speaker 1: little bit of a short history here because if you
Speaker 1: remember when Andy Dalton came into the game against the Giants,
Speaker 1: who did he hook up with for those big drives won?
Speaker 1: Michael Gallop? Michael Gallup, and he's been a little quiet lately.
Speaker 1: So watch out for Michael Gallop because this offense has
Speaker 1: to get rolling. The Vikings have been scoring points. They
Speaker 1: only scored nineteen against the Bears. I get it, but
Speaker 1: they've been scoring quite a few points along the way,
Speaker 1: and if you look at it, that was the fewest
Speaker 1: the second fewest points they scored all season. They only
Speaker 1: scored eleven when they lost to the Colts twenty eight eleven,
Speaker 1: But they had thirty four, thirty thirty one, twenty six,
Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty eight, thirty four. So the Cowboys offense
Speaker 1: has to function much better than it has since uh gosh,
Speaker 1: we can go all the way back to the game
Speaker 1: they beat the Giants. Giants, they scored thirty seven points.
Speaker 1: So my guy's gonna be Michael Gallup. He's gonna he's
Speaker 1: gonna hurt this secondary that has struggled some somewhat against
Speaker 1: the past. That's why I almost picked Cooper's bags. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you went with Gallop. I thought you'd go
Speaker 1: with Cooper. And then for my pick, I swore that
Speaker 1: I wouldn't pick the Cowboys again to win until they won,
Speaker 1: and they haven't won yet, right until they won twice.
Speaker 1: You said, until they went twice. You're right, So this
Speaker 1: is this will be the key one because if they
Speaker 1: can win this one and then they have a chance
Speaker 1: to beat Washington, then I guess I have to pick
Speaker 1: him against Baltimore, right then you yeah, yeah, pick him
Speaker 1: against the Ravens. Then, but I think looking ahead, no fair, look,
Speaker 1: I think Vikings twenty four and twenty one in this one,
Speaker 1: Vikings twenty four twenty one, all right, and I'm going
Speaker 1: with I'm gonna go ahead and go with the Cowboys victory.
Speaker 1: All right. They're gonna be a half game out of
Speaker 1: first place by Sunday night, because the Eagles are gonna
Speaker 1: lose to Baker Mayfield and the Browns. And then I'll
Speaker 1: even I'll take it a step further because because my
Speaker 1: prediction is going to be the Cowboys are going to
Speaker 1: be in first place by the end of Thanksgiving weekend.
Speaker 1: How's that? Okay, That's where I'm going with this, and
Speaker 1: so I'll go tight game, let's go, Let's have a
Speaker 1: zerline winning on a field goal twenty four twenty three. Hey,
Speaker 1: and Sean Lee is my pick to click. If they
Speaker 1: play him, he'll be the pick to click. Let me
Speaker 1: go down the hallway and tell tell Mike you need
Speaker 1: to play. And by the way, I'm going against my
Speaker 1: little philosophy that the more you win in this league,
Speaker 1: the closer you are to losing. They've won their three straight, right,
Speaker 1: so the odds are they're about to lose one. That's
Speaker 1: my point. Two. There it goes back and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have lost their fourth straight, and so they are closer
Speaker 1: to wait, something, something's gonna land in their lab. All right,
Speaker 1: very good? All right, that does it for Mixed Shots
Speaker 1: for another week. Enjoy the game on Sunday, and we
Speaker 1: will be back with you on Monday afternoon at one
Speaker 1: thirty to talk about this Cowboys victory over the Vikings.
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