WEBVTT - Selects: Nostradamus: Predictor of the future? Not so much. 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:03.040 Hey everyone, it's Josh and for this week's select I've 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:07.520 chosen our twenty fifteen episode, Nostrodamus, Predictor of the Future. 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:11.680 Not so much Nostrodamus if that even is his real name, 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.520 which it isn't, must have rued the day he was born. 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:17.800 After you heard this episode, we disassemble his so called 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:22.080 prophetic abilities so hard. Plus, this has one more Adam 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:26.040 Sandler than you'd probably expected. So sit back, light a candle, 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:28.440 let your eyes roll back in your head, and enjoy 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:36.600 this skeptical episode a skep epp. Welcome to Stuff you 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:45.879 Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.120 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:54.520 there's Jerry. I predict this will be the best podcast 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:58.160 of the new year. Man, I don't know about that one. 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:01.360 And I think that predict is coming true. And the 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:05.759 first month when Gray filled the Sky, the recorders of 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:12.600 Gobbledegook hit a high water mark. It's a little on 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:14.880 the nose from Nostre Damas. Actually it's I should have 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:18.240 been even more vague, like way vaguer. Yeah that was 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:23.479 like explicit for him. Yeah, yeah, because no, Stredamus used 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:27.840 to like to just basically take concepts and words and 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:32.200 put them together and pretend like they were going to happen. Yeah, no, 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:36.360 stre Damas snort a little nutmeg. I Um. When I 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.880 was a younger person, I realized, like from this and 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:45.440 ESP that I was into some pretty cool occult stuff. Yeah, 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.200 read lots of books about ghosts and things like that. Sure, 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:49.640 meet to you a little bit. And then now I 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:51.600 was like an older person, like I wanted to go 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.800 to Duke University to study parapsychology. Oh really, I was 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.360 into like that kind of thing. And then now as 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.640 an older person, I'm like, man of the things I 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:04.920 used to believe, just do a face palm here there, Like, 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:07.680 for example, we got into real science and that's usually 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:11.560 what happens. Yes, so the pseudoscience has kind of fade 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.400 away once you start educating yourself. Well, we shouldn't say 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:19.240 parapsychology is necessarily a pseudoscience. That's not We're here to 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:24.200 poo pooh Nostradamus, not esp parasychology in general, but for instance, 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:31.600 you were I remember not only believing, but frequently saying, dude, Nostradamus, 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:35.960 he had to be exhumed once, like at the church 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.840 he was buried at. They were like expanding and they 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.919 had to exoome his grave and they opened his casket 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.600 and he was holding a tablet that had the day 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:49.320 they exhumed him. I thought that was real. I thought 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:51.760 that really happened when I was a slightly younger man. 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:56.919 That's awesome. Yeah, when you were in your late twenties, right, Yeah, 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:59.240 I remember. I didn't read up on stuff like this, 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.880 but I was a big fan of like Lennar Nimoys 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:06.679 in Search of and yeah, TV shows that kind of 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.480 dabbled in the fringe, And what's wrong with that. Nothing, 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.079 there's nothing wrong with enjoying that kind of thing, liking it. 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.679 Ve been wondering if possibly some of it could be real. 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:20.720 Nothing wrong with exploration, right, But the key to keeping 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:22.960 egg off your face as much as possible is to 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:28.760 doing research, especially when a claim is very extraordinary. Yeah, 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.840 really look into it. Yeah, Like had I had I 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:34.920 looked around, had the Internet been invented yet? And I 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:38.440 looked around, and I probably would have found somewhere some 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.720 entry saying like that is absolutely not true. Well, that's 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:43.840 one of the Internet is one of the big reasons, 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.880 I think because before that was around, you know, it's 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:49.400 you'd have to go search out a book that was 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:54.640 written profuing Ostradamis, Yeah, in the card catalog, and it 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:56.640 was just a lot harder back then, you know. Yeah, 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.200 But the Internet is a double edged fiber optic line. 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:01.280 I mean there's a lot out of sites out there 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.960 that I mean, No Stradamas has gotten probably even more 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.160 popular and even more play since the Internet was invented. 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:10.760 Oh sure, you know. Yeah, So let's talk about this guy. 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.040 Let's try to separate the man from the myth and 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:17.839 really get into who no Stredamis was. Because he was 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:22.200 a lot more than a crackpot writer of vague predictions. 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.279 That's true, he was. One of the tough parts is, though, 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:30.000 is that there are so many disagreements about his biography. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:34.360 Even yeah, I didn't find that necessarily. Yeah, I saw 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:35.719 one guy wrote a book at him that said he 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:39.920 wasn't even a doctor. Woh, okay, that is a disagreement. Yeah, 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.320 well let's go ahead and go there then. Okay, So 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.559 he was supposedly born in fifteen oh three, No, not true. 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.920 In France, he was born Michel de Nostre, Dame he 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:54.120 became no Stredamis because he latinized his name after he 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.960 graduated from medical school, which apparently was custom at the time. 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.000 That's right. But when he was born he was Michelle 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.880 de Nostre Dame. Yeah. And his family was educated and 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:05.799 they believed in education. So he was from an early 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:10.720 age an academic in a traditional sense, right, nothing wacky 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.440 right out of the gate. Well, his grandfather instructed him 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.000 as when he was a younger man, taught him languages 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.599 and kind of sparked his interest in all sorts of 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.719 different topics and all things learning. Yeah. And do you 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:27.520 remember when we did the Inquisition episode, yeah, where there 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.880 are a lot of Jewish people who converted but just 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:33.680 converted in name only. Yeah. Yeah, apparently Nostradamis's family was 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.360 one of those. Oh so that wasn't a genuine conversion 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:40.520 supposedly not gotcha again, it could be myth, it could 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.960 be whatever. Because he was on good terms with the 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:48.200 local Inquisition and the local church officials for most of 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.640 his life. So I guess either they didn't suspect him, 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.520 or they he had a pass. I don't know. Oh, 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:58.400 it's interesting, that makes sense. He studied a straw no, 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:03.920 I'm sorry. Astrology, which was at the time respected well 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:08.600 respected as a science. Yeah, and supposedly his fellow astrologers 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.720 thought he was full of it. Oh really, his contemporary 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.719 astrologer pals Well, one of the things that he did 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:19.440 was he studied and this would play out throughout his well, 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.000 I would say his career as a predictor, but he 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:25.600 really just wrote the book, the Centuries book, which we'll 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:31.360 get to. But he studied astronomical patterns that coincided with 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:38.520 historical events. That's astrology. Well yeah, but he would basically 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:42.320 use those to predict the future events. Like by some accounts, 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:46.279 he didn't even say that he was a prophet. He said, 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:51.279 I study history and basically history repeats itself, and so 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:53.880 I'm going to use the stars and when these things 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.400 line up pattern wise in the certain year in the future, 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:02.440 this may happen again. Yeah, so that's like real astrology. Yeah, 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:04.880 we should do an episode on that. Yeah, I've been 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.440 thinking about that one for a while. This one, well, 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:12.680 the the article we have like almost like spits in 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:16.840 the middle. Yeah, it's so one sided in skeptical it's 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.280 just a picture of a big lugue, right, But I 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.200 looked into Um I looked into it and like, there's 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.520 the it's fascinating what they used to believe in all 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.640 of the holes you can punch in it, you know, 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:30.320 but um, it's a pretty we should do that for 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.680 some time. Yeah. I had my chart done one time, 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:37.280 like for real by my friend's mom, and I remember 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.360 looking at it and thinking like, wow, that's a lot 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:43.640 like me. Yeah, it's pretty accurate. But and even even 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.760 remove that last part, Yeah, the amount of thought and 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.239 effort in what it's based on, in the ancient tradition 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.240 of it and everything that in and of itself is fascinating. Yeah, 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:53.920 totally agree, you know, And then you can get in there. 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.840 We're totally doing astrology at some point, all right, But 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:01.200 um so what he was doing was astrology. Apparently where 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.320 he ran a foul of his fellow astrologers was to 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.760 make predictions of how something would come about. Rather than 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:12.000 the next time Venus is in the seventh House of 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:17.440 Mars and a cat catches fire, there's going to be 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.760 an earthquake, sure, something like that, he went further and 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.840 like made predictions about you know, what was going to 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.960 set this off, and like where the people involved were 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.160 going to come from and like, and then he was 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.360 very very vague, right, So all of that added to 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:38.000 the astrologers disdained for him because he gave him a 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:41.520 bad name pretty much because they were all right exactly. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:47.600 So he left home supposedly in fifteen twenty two to 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:52.480 study medicine legit medicine and became a physician. Most people 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:56.280 agree that he became a professor in a physician in 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.920 southern France. And apparently it was pretty good to doctor 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:03.920 or at treating plague victims. Yeah, he's very ahead of 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.760 his time. Yeah, even though he lost his wife and son, 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:12.280 I'm sorry his children to the plague and yeah, and 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.120 that had a big effect on his life. Obviously, he 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.800 basically sent him on the road for a decade, which 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.600 is where he kind of came up with this plan 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:25.760 to write this book. So he was he was a 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:31.240 progressive doctor in that like he prescribed sanitation practices yea, 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:36.880 he prescribed fresh air. He also apparently came up with 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:40.640 a rose hip loznge to help cure plague mild cases 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.839 of plague, and that actually makes sense because rose hips 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.040 are packed with vitamin C. Yeah, so he was a 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.160 pretty good doctor and he had a good record, and 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.400 from that he lived in this village with his wife 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:55.560 and children and had a patron who basically supported the family. 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.280 And then once his wife and children died, he couldn't 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.240 cure them. His star really he fell in this village. 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:03.840 And about the same time, he also had a pretty 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.280 good sense of humor. About the same time, they were 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.840 raising a statue of the Virgin Mary in the local church, 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.520 and he thought it was the ugliest thing he'd ever seen, 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:17.520 and he was making a comment on the artist's abilities. Yeah, 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.040 not the Virgin Mary, but he said, these guys are 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:25.079 casting demons, like basically saying, that's a really ugly Virgin Mary. Right. Well, 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.760 the artist didn't like this and turn him into the inquisition. 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.000 And that's about the time when he ended up on 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.640 the road. Yeah, and he went all over Europe just 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:38.400 basically he was described as sort of wandering. But he 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:43.040 did meet another woman and get remarried on his wanderings, 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.160 I think toward the tail end of his wanderings about 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:50.520 eight years later, and moved to Salon in France, and 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:55.320 then he started kind of getting his getting his act 0:10:55.320 --> 0:11:00.319 together in a in a real way to publish, like 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.440 he he said, you know what, I'm gonna put together 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.280 this book of prophecies. I've been messing around, I've been 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.640 kicking the idea around. I'm just gonna do it. So 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.559 we'll talk about what came out of that. Right after 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:34.360 this story, So Chuck, Nostre Damas is settling down in 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:42.439 Solon Solon, Yeah, selectives, and he is deciding to put 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:48.640 his awesome thoughts down into quatrains, that's right, into a 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.800 book called The Centuries. But at the time he just 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:55.800 called it the Prophecies. Yeah, the Prophecies of Michel Nostre Damas. 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.520 I think when did they rename it um? I think 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.400 after his death. Yeah, apparently the centuries had nothing to 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:03.400 do with time. But it was in the structure, the 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.560 organized structure of the book itself, because there are a 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:11.319 thousand quatrains or four line verses in hundreds. Yeah, for 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:14.040 some reason. So that's the Centuries. And it wasn't it 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.320 wasn't chronological or anything like that. No, and it was 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:21.280 it was a It became a huge sensation due to 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:26.200 a few things. One, simply enough, was that the printing 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:31.800 press was a recent invention and books were a big deal. 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.600 Now you know, like widespread books like there was now 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.840 something could literally be a best seller for the first time. 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:43.520 So it aligned in that way. And another is that 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:46.960 he just sort of fit the dark times. It was 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:51.040 a book and of its time with all his dire predictions. 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.439 It was, you know, when the Catholics and Protestants were 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.320 warring and there were all kinds of people saying the 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.679 end of the world was coming, and it was just 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.760 it was basically put out right at the right time 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:06.960 and widespread because of the printing press. And then Queen 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:12.360 Catherine de Medici of France was a really superstitious queen 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.920 and he predicted her husband Henry the second's death, yeah, 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:20.920 pretty specifically for once. Yeah, but we'll poke holes on 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.760 that too, and it happened a few years later, and 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.560 so she invited him to the court, which was like 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:29.320 the most popular court in Europe at the time, and 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.240 so he got a lot of attention there. So he 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:35.480 was sort of like a big writing superstar of his 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:37.920 day because of all these things aligning. Yeah, I mean, 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.000 like he wasn't one of those posthumously honored authors like 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:43.760 he was celebrated during his time. Supposedly he met some 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:49.480 monks on the road once and correctly said that one 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.200 of them was going to be the next pope. Bam, 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:56.720 no way case solved. Nostronomous is the real deal, because 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:01.240 that supposedly happened. So he had like a whole whole 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:06.240 jam going where he would retire in the evenings. Yeah, 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:10.280 and he would concentrate on maybe a fire, the flames 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.080 of a fire, meditate on it, yeah, Or he would 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:16.040 take a bowl with some herbs or something in it 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:19.320 and just zone out on those, try to read the herbs. 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.240 Like you said, I don't know if he was doing 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.840 lines of nutmeg, but he was ingesting nutmeg most likely, yeah, 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:27.800 which could be hallucinogenic. Right, And he had to have 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.640 been rich to just be doing nutmeg, you know, Yeah, 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:35.440 because they had just discovered that. Yeah, And he would 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:39.360 just kind of zone out. He would apparently he got 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:43.040 help from an angelic figure, that's what he says said, 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.760 and then he would just see the future. It would 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:51.040 come to him. The thing is is no stredamis these 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:56.120 prophecies didn't come to him, all convoluted and kukie and 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.560 however he put them, he understood exactly what was going 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.440 to happen. Well, yeah, he supposedly convoluted them on purpose 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.880 to avoid persecution during his lifetime. Yeah, that is supposedly 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:12.760 what he told his son from a second marriage, is that, Caesar, Yeah, 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:16.720 I'm doing all this on purpose, and because they will, 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.480 you know, string me up as a heretic, because I'm 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:24.040 so eerily accurate. Yeah, they will find out, which I 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:27.960 mean at the time, it was a genuine concern. So 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.080 it's it's not like this is just a preposterous claim 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:35.239 on Nostre Damas's part. It's just that for skeptics of Nostradamas, 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.920 it's just one more convenient little thing because if you 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:43.880 read the quatrains, they make almost no sense in all 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:48.760 sense simultaneously. Yeah, depending on whether you're reading them on 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:50.760 their own or whether you're trying to look at them 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.920 in context. Well yeah, well we might as well go 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:57.040 and talk about that. That's one of the big reasons 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.480 you can poke holes in it is because there were 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.720 even experts say, it's hard to find two copies of 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.240 this book that are the same. Oh yeah, yeah, because 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.960 it was translated, you know, hundreds of times. It was 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:14.160 the early printing presses were you know, they weren't super 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:17.040 accurate and they would if the printer maybe didn't know 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:19.800 exactly what he meant, they would say, well, I think 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.640 he meant to actually have an apostrophe here, and in 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:26.160 Middle French, that apostrophe could completely change the meaning of 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:31.600 the word. So beyond that confusion and the translation confusions, 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:36.520 there are, like you said, there are many different ways 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.040 to interpret something, and if something didn't come true, you 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:41.400 could probably find a version out there of it that 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:45.960 supports whatever you think he predicted, right, you know, Yeah, 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:49.000 there's a pretty good example that people give of a 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:53.960 translation problem after nine to eleven, which we'll talk more 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:59.040 about in a second. Yeah, they some quatrain of or 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:03.440 I guess in a semige of nostredamis. Quatrains were kind 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.719 of bandied about as proof that he predicted it right. 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.639 One of them was there would be smoke in the 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:14.200 new city. Well, in his actual text in the centuries 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:19.760 he wrote a villa noeuve Vienneuve, which means in French 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.520 the new city. Yeah, but it was also a city 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:28.280 in France at the time he was probably talking about. Yeah, 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:33.200 So there's a lot of translation and interpretation that can 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:37.760 come together and really lead to a misunderstanding. If there 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.000 is even such a thing at all with nostre damas. 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:43.720 Can you misunderstand him? I don't think it's possible. Can 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:47.840 you misunderstand what's not understandable words? Yeah, Well, since we're 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.439 talking about interpreting, we might as well go onto the 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:56.280 famous Hitler prediction. Beasts ferocious with hunger will across the 0:17:56.359 --> 0:18:01.119 rivers a greater part of the battlefield. Wainst into a 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:05.639 cage of iron iron with the child of Germany, he observes, 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:10.520 or thing, man, I wouldn't I hope we added some 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:16.679 effect to that, Jerry, Yes, vocal effects, Yeah, something menacing maybe, 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:22.240 or maybe we should do like clown music. Um So, 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:24.920 histor this was has long been looked at as the 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.400 prediction of the rise of Hitler. Yeah, he says Germany 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:33.360 in there. Yeah, it's Germany and hisstor Yeah. Um, but 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:38.240 hisstor was actually the lower Danube River, and so most people, 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.800 um or skeptics would say, well, he didn't say Hitler, 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:45.000 he said Hister since that was a place. Um, that's 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:49.880 probably what he meant. Yeah, or he would have said Hitler. Yeah, 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:53.879 it kind of a miss right there. Um. Some people say, well, 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:59.600 Hitler was born around the Danube, so he still met Hitler. 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:04.320 That's exactly the point is that people will find a 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.040 way to interpret it if they choose to. But the 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:11.760 Nazis still use this to their advantage. They actually dropped 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:17.320 pamphlets containing this prediction onto France from planes because they 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:21.800 wanted to scare them, like, hey, even Nostradamas said we're coming, yeah, 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.560 and we're coming, and it worked. I guess it did 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:27.919 for a while. So there's basically that if you're a 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:33.400 skeptic of Nostradamus, you say, okay, first of all, he's 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:37.600 not really saying anything right or anything concrete right, And 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:40.800 a believer of Nostredamas would say, well, he even said that, 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:42.720 you're not supposed to get it unless you're one of 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:46.720 the enlightened few who happen to be one of that. 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:50.040 It's not for this time. It's for people far from 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:53.040 now to understand, right, And so the skeptic that's arguing 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:57.040 will sigh and then say, okay, Um, here's the thing though, 0:19:57.359 --> 0:19:59.840 even if even if he is saying something like even 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:03.240 if there's something clear, he's making a prediction and it 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:07.639 does seem to come true if you look at events 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:13.960 in human history as numbers on a graph. Yeah, eventually. 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:18.800 Statistically speaking, one of Nostredams's very vague predictions about the 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:23.800 rise of a power, a war, Sure, an earthquake, something 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:28.800 like that is going to happen, and maybe something will 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:32.440 have even a couple of predictions that will fit one 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:36.200 event yeah, like the date might align somehow or something. Yeah, 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:38.000 because every once a while he used dates, but for 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:41.080 the most part he didn't. But if you look at 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:46.320 it statistically, yes, even Nostre Damas' predictions are going to 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:51.040 come true over a long enough period of time. Right Again, 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:53.879 if you read the predictions, it's hard to say his 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.840 predictions come true because he's not really predicting anything. It's 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:59.600 not like he sat back and said, sometime in the 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:03.439 twenty century, a guy with a terrible mustache is going 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:05.560 to come to power and there's going to be a 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:11.080 horrific war as a result. Nothing even approaching that. Yeah, 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:14.400 I mean you read what the Hitler prediction was, like, 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:17.240 it could be anything. Yeah, But even if you had 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:19.960 predicted something, if you take his predictions as predictions, if 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:23.200 you put them over the arc of time, sure eventually 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.520 you're going to get hit. So that's one argument A 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:30.600 skeptical argument against Nostredamas. Yeah, especially if you believe, like 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:33.480 most people do, that history repeats itself in some fashion 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:37.840 over a long enough timeline. When he himself said that 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.800 that's the model he used, was using the stars to 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.640 look at past historical events to predict future events, right, 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:47.160 so it kind of makes sense. And also some people 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:50.479 say these aren't even predictions because a prediction is something 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:55.160 that you realize before the fact. And despite the fact 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:59.439 that thousands of scholars have studied Nostradamus and millions of 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.320 people have read him, no one has ever pointed out 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:05.600 something before it happened. It's always afterward that they go 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:08.840 back and see, look, see here, he said this was 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:11.880 going to happen, and it happened because we interpreted that way. 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:15.199 But no one's ever said stopped anything in its tracks 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:18.119 because nostredamis predicted it As an excellent point, you know, 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:22.280 it also raises another argument against no strudomas, and that 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:26.080 the people who follow no stream, like you said, it's 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:30.200 always the interpretation is always after the fact. And allegations 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:34.840 of shoehorning occur where basically you make something fit, you 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:39.520 shoehorned into the context and in doing so, you cherry 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:42.080 pick stuff that makes sense and you ignore stuff that 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:44.920 doesn't make sense. Yeah. In fact, I think this article, 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:48.119 this one line says it best imprecise language lends itself 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:51.720 well to subjective interpretation. Yeah. I mean, if you throw 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:54.480 something super vague out there, you could come up with 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:58.040 a hundred different interpretations of it. Yep. You know that's 0:22:58.040 --> 0:23:02.520 what poetry is exactly. And you know, despite all of 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:06.360 these very great arguments, there's still plenty of people out 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:09.600 there who believe in Nostre Damas. It almost seems like 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:11.320 there should be a phase in life where you do 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:14.200 go through believing that Nostre Damas is real, because it 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:18.200 does kind of lend some sort of something to life. 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:21.359 It also coincides with being really into Pink Floyd exam 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.840 it's true. So we'll talk a little more about some 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:28.040 of the people who argue for and against Nostre Damas, 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:47.840 specifically centered around nine to eleven. Right after this, okay, Chuck, 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:52.520 nine to eleven happened, and almost immediately people said Nostre 0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:57.040 Damas predicted this. Yeah, his sales went through the roof, apparently, 0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:02.439 and supposedly his name was googled more than Usama bin 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:05.639 Laden or George Bush after nine eleven. Really, that's what 0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:09.080 they say. That sounds like something someone just writes on 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:12.800 the internet exactly, but I believe it. Well, here's why 0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:16.480 his star rose again was because this quatrain emerged where 0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:20.760 it was like, yeah, that's pretty close to what happened. Yeah. 0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:23.040 I remember hearing it and thinking, oh my gosh, so 0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:25.400 you want to read this one. You're pretty good at reading. Here. 0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:27.960 Can we get the sound effect again? Please cue the 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:31.560 clown music. In the City of God, there will be 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:35.080 a great thunder or two brothers torn apart by chaos, 0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:39.359 while the fortress endures, the Great Leader will succome The 0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:42.480 third big war will begin when the big city is burning. 0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:46.879 That's super specific. Yeah. The only thing I don't know 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:49.280 if most people would agree on is calling New York 0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:52.280 the City of God or George Bush the Great Leader. Yeah, 0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:57.840 but the two brothers clearly those are the two towers. Yeah, 0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:02.640 the fortress endures, the Pentagon the Great Leader Bush. Yeah, 0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:05.560 some people said, and then the third war will begin 0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:08.920 when the big city was burning. Well, at least one 0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:11.080 more war. I don't know if it was World War three, 0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:14.360 but a pretty huge couple of Wars started up as 0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:18.240 a result. So people are saying, here it is finally 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:23.600