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Speaker 3: What do we have, Crystal?

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do many things to get to this morning.

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Speaker 1: So last week there was a star studded Biden fundraiser,

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Speaker 1: three presidents, there, lots of celebrities and also a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of protesters, so we will share that with you.

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Speaker 1: We also have a new audio of a congressman who

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Speaker 1: literally suggested to his constituents that Gaza should be nuked.

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Speaker 4: Definitely want to hear that.

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Speaker 1: We also have an exodus of John Fetterman communication staffers,

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Speaker 1: so can only guess why they may be living his

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Speaker 1: office at this point. Some explosive leaks from the Daily

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Speaker 1: Wire revealing the circumstances surrounding Candice Owens firing a lot

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Speaker 4: So anyway, lots of breakdown there.

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Speaker 1: to Israel in the midst of all sorts of horrors

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Speaker 4: So many things to say about all of this.

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Speaker 2: to take advantage. But as we mentioned, there was a

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Speaker 2: blockbuster event in the city of New York. Three presidents

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Speaker 2: current President Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama all

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Speaker 2: appearing together at a major let'sy star studded fundraiser in

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Speaker 3: And it was supposed to be crystal. It was supposed to.

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Speaker 3: They raised a ton of money.

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Speaker 2: Stephen Colbert, who hosts a news program or what an

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Speaker 3: President Obama snapping back at protesters.

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Speaker 3: So there you go, Crystal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you'll recall that they went to great lengths

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Speaker 1: And I think that's very well said, Or you could

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Speaker 1: So when you contrast the images that came out of

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Speaker 1: as a digression, how sad, How sad that Stephen Colbert,

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Speaker 1: But the contrast in those images of this star studded,

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Speaker 1: So you don't get to go out there and you know,

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Speaker 1: Yes, all of her all of her body positivity is bullshit.

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Speaker 4: It's give me a break, please. Just a perfect.

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Speaker 3: That's right, culture of narcissism at its absolute finest.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, let's just say the event, it didn't go

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Speaker 1: And God bless these protesters who hound them everywhere they go.

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Speaker 4: I hope they can keep it up.

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Speaker 1: And you know, as I said before, just a taste

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Speaker 1: Let's turn to some absolutely insane, outrageous, disgusting comments made

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Speaker 6: We spending our money to go to court for them.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's Joe Libs recent We need to get your

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Speaker 8: I don't think we should.

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Speaker 7: I don't think any of our aid that goes to

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Speaker 7: I agree, it should be like Nasaki.

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Speaker 1: calling directly for nuking Gaza and turning it into like

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Speaker 1: And I can't help but notice you'll recall Congressman Rashida

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Speaker 1: Will he be centured by the House, of course not?

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Speaker 3: Of course, not Christal.

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Speaker 1: Rageous to and she reflect on that front I mean, listen,

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Speaker 4: Coat your nation.

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Speaker 3: That's a good point.

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Speaker 2: Would say Chrystal, I actually think the tide is turning.

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Speaker 2: is a lot more sympathetic. People have watched the Israeli

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Speaker 2: military campaign. It's not a lot of plausible deniability, you know,

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Speaker 2: at this point. So I actually think that things are

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Speaker 2: turning against us now. I don't know where this This

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Speaker 2: was apparently in Dundee, Michigan, that this happened. But I

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Speaker 2: also think it is noteworthy that he actually did have

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Speaker 2: to walk it back. So he says the people, no, sorry,

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Speaker 2: He said, as a child who grew up in the

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Speaker 2: Cold War era, the last thing I would advocate for

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Speaker 2: would be the use of nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 3: He says.

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Speaker 2: I used a metaphor to convey the need for both

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Speaker 2: Israel and Ukraine to win their wars as swiftly as

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Speaker 2: possible without putting American troops in harm's way. And I

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Speaker 2: think what he's I mean, obviously it was clear what

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Speaker 2: he was calling for, but I mean, recall what was

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Speaker 2: it Brian mast and those people says there's no such

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Speaker 2: thing as an innocent child and godz or recall some

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Speaker 2: of these other Republican congressmen who three four months ago,

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Speaker 2: they were receiving no pushback or even frankly, even a

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Speaker 2: lot of media coverage outside of independent circles. This one,

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Speaker 2: I mean, this got written up in the New York

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Speaker 2: Times and the Detroit Free Press Michigan has obviously stayed

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Speaker 2: with a lot of arabor American voters.

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Speaker 3: I don't know anything about Dundee. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: it's going.

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Speaker 2: To hurt his electoral chances or not, but I do

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Speaker 2: think it was at least somewhat noteworthy to me that

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Speaker 2: they were or at least he felt the need to

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Speaker 2: issue some sort of quote unquote clarification, even though it's

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Speaker 2: a BS clarification and what he said is crazy like

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Speaker 2: on every level.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, all right, Well that's a good point that

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Speaker 1: at least now he feels some shame, he's forced to

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Speaker 1: feel a little bit of shame around this and receive

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Speaker 1: a little bit of pushback, at least in the local

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Speaker 1: press in particular. There's some other political news we wanted

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Speaker 1: to bring to you, which is a center fetterman who

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Speaker 1: has become the greatest cheerleader for Israel doing whatever the

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Speaker 1: hell they want to do in the Gaza strip and

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Speaker 1: seeming to show absolute no, absolutely no care and concern

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Speaker 1: for the fate of Palestinian civilians. He is suffering a

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Speaker 1: mass exodus at this point of communication staffers in particular

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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. Top staffers for Democrat

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Speaker 1: John Fetterman are leaving his office for more progressive jobs

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Speaker 1: as the Pennsylvania sentator moves more to this center. They say,

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Speaker 1: I don't know call at the center, but anyway on

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Speaker 1: key issues. Joe Calvello, Fetterman's longtime communications director who helped

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Speaker 1: him navigate a tumultuous Senate race working on the campaign,

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Speaker 1: left to work with liberal Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson earlier

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Speaker 1: this month. Quote from him, he says, Mayor Johnson is

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Speaker 1: a true progressive who is committed to fighting for the

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Speaker 1: working people and families of the city of Chicago. Deeply

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Speaker 1: honored to join his administration. We also have Nick Gaviot,

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Speaker 1: Fetterman's deputy communications director who started with his campaign, is

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Speaker 1: going to head to the Working Families party.

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Speaker 4: And we have.

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Speaker 1: One more individual, who is Emma Mustion. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: go with I'm sorry Emma, who served in Fetterman's office,

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Speaker 1: who is going to work on the other Pennsylvania seditor's

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Speaker 1: campaigns enter Bob Casey's re election bid. You know, you

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Speaker 1: can read into this. I think probably a lot of

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Speaker 1: it has to do with his just devotion to Israel,

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Speaker 1: his willingness to even he is way to the right

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Speaker 1: of Biden a retortally in terms of what he supports,

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Speaker 1: and he's criticized by He was doing this whole song

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Speaker 1: and dance about like, how can you criticize Biden on Israel?

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Speaker 4: Then you're just helping Trump.

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Speaker 1: But then when it came to Biden even rhetorically shifting

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Speaker 1: with regard to Israel, he felt perfectly comfortable to attack

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Speaker 1: him then. And apparently when he does it from the right,

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Speaker 1: it's not quote unquote helping Trump.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's funny.

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Speaker 4: I didn't even pick up on that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot going on there. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I think the big question with Betterman, we had Ryan

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Speaker 1: Grimm's reporting about how he originally sort of staked down

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Speaker 1: this position on Israel very much looked like from Ryan's

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Speaker 1: reporting that he hadn't really thought that much about the issue,

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Speaker 1: And then in his campaign, when he was faced with

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Speaker 1: a primary challenge in that Senate campaign against Connor Lamb,

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Speaker 1: it was more of like a centrist figure in Fetterman

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Speaker 1: at that point was the more of the progressive figure.

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Speaker 1: He just effectively asked Democratic Majority for Israel, like, what

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Speaker 1: should my position be? They literally wrote it up for them,

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Speaker 1: and he has sort of stuck with it ever since.

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Speaker 1: And you know, he's taken a lot of money from APAC,

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Speaker 1: sure that provide it's a hefty incentive to stay lockstep

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Speaker 1: in support. But I think at this point, given the

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Speaker 1: fact that he's not just doing this sort of like

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Speaker 1: standard issue democratic support of Israel, that he's so vocal

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Speaker 1: about it, so vociferous about it, it has to go

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Speaker 1: beyond the money for him, Like, I think he has

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Speaker 1: become completely ideologically locked into this position, beyond any sort

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Speaker 1: of reasonable understanding of the way money may have influenced

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Speaker 1: him and the way that this may impact him electorally,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. Because I could very much see him, you know,

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Speaker 1: next time he has to face reelection, which granted is

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Speaker 1: a number of years from now, but I could see

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Speaker 1: him facing a challenge from the left that could be

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Speaker 1: quite potent. He is definitely risking his career with being

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Speaker 1: such an overt cheerleader for the horrors that are unfolding. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, for these staffers, apparently just became too much

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Speaker 1: to watch this man whose whole political brand now he

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Speaker 1: wants to run away from the progressively. He was not

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Speaker 1: running away from the progressive label when he was running

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Speaker 1: he was Medicare for all. He was originally a Bernie

545
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Speaker 1: Sanders supporter. He's talking about lifting wages, supporting unions, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: That was his positioning and specifically his brand as a

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Speaker 1: former rust belt town mayor was you know, I'm the

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Speaker 1: one who's going to look after the forgotten people. To

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Speaker 1: then have zero, zero sense of the humanity of Palestinian civilians.

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Speaker 1: I think for these staffers it probably just became too

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Speaker 1: much to bear. And it's no accent that they're all

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Speaker 1: going to, you know, places that are more progressive in

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Speaker 1: a different place when it comes to Israel Gaza.

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Speaker 2: For me, I think it's just clear. And these two

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Speaker 2: things something we try and tell people all the time. Guys,

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Speaker 2: people in the office, they're actually not that smart. If

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Speaker 2: you watch the show, or if you even read, you know,

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Speaker 2: any other show, or you know in general, you're probably

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Speaker 2: smarter than some of them.

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Speaker 3: I mean, let's think back to the words of this

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Speaker 3: what was his name, the congressman or.

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Speaker 2: D Wahlberg, Robert He was like, well, China and North

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Speaker 2: Korea probably in there too.

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Speaker 3: Like wait, what what are you talking about? Where? Where

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Speaker 3: do you even get this from? Same with Fetterman.

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of these guys are either low

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Speaker 2: information or they are highly selective information in terms of

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Speaker 2: what they take in. They have no challenges, their staff

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Speaker 2: usually either afraid or you know, just going to bubble up.

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Speaker 3: Whatever they want.

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Speaker 2: If you've ever been in the Senate, for people who

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Speaker 2: are even in Congress, like you can create your own

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Speaker 2: little reality in that world, like once you've been elected.

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Speaker 2: So this is just a good view into kind of

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Speaker 2: the boom or brain and how it can work. And

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Speaker 2: I guess in Fetterman's case too, about how if you want,

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Speaker 2: you can create an entire you know, information sphere that

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Speaker 2: works exactly the way that you want.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, apparently apparently.

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Speaker 2: There's been some updates on the firing or I guess,

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Speaker 2: departure of canvas Owans Ben Shapiro and Candace allegedly apparently

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Speaker 2: agreed not to speak about it, and yet in some

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Speaker 2: recent interviews Shapiro has been shedding some light into his

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Speaker 2: thinking as to why it was not hypocritical to fire,

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Speaker 2: or at least have Candace Owans depart his organization, The

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Speaker 2: Daily Wire.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say an interview with Dave Rubin.

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Speaker 5: The difference between a publisher like The Daily Wire and

589
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Speaker 5: a platform like Locals is obviously that a platform should

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Speaker 5: have a very broad range of speech that it allows,

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Speaker 5: including speech that maybe even the creators don't believe is

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Speaker 5: inside what they would consider to be the Overton window.

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Speaker 5: It's a very different thing than direct subsidization of particular opinions.

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Speaker 5: So the Daily Wire would not have a host, would

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Speaker 5: not pay a host who was staunchly pro abortion, would

596
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Speaker 5: have no obligation to bey a host who is staunchly

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Speaker 5: pro abortion. And so when it comes to the host

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Speaker 5: on the Daily Wire, obviously everyone was able to say

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Speaker 5: what they want. Nobody ever comes to me and says,

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Speaker 5: you can't say X. Nobody or says that's to Walsh,

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Speaker 5: and no one ever said that to Candace. But the

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Speaker 5: reality is that there is an Overton window at the

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Speaker 5: Daily Wire. Obviously there was a non meeting of the minds.

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Speaker 5: That's pretty much all I can say on this, And

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Speaker 5: you know a lot of this has happened publicly, but

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Speaker 5: to the extent that the Daily Wire is in fact

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Speaker 5: not a publisher, that is in fact not a platform.

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Speaker 5: It as a publisher. That means that there is no

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Speaker 5: moral obligation for the Daily and there's no free speech

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Speaker 5: problem with the Daily Wire saying we don't wish to

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Speaker 5: pay a particular host, or that host saying I don't.

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Speaker 3: Wish to work here anymore.

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Speaker 5: Because again there's a parting of the ways that I'm

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Speaker 5: that you know, is not really open for discussion at

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Speaker 5: this point. This week, NBC News deciding that McDaniel is

616
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Speaker 5: too much for them. Ron McDaniel can't work at NBC News.

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Speaker 5: The Sacred Halls and NBC News must not be sullied

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Speaker 5: by the former head of the RNC. Jensake, however, can

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Speaker 5: have a show on MSNBC despite being the Press secretary

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Speaker 5: for the White House five seconds ago. The rights response

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Speaker 5: to that is I think correct to say, you guys

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Speaker 5: have shut the Overton window too tight. But I think

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Speaker 5: some elements of the right have basically said there is

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Speaker 5: no Overton window.

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Speaker 3: The Overton winner should be completely exploded.

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Speaker 2: So the defense that he just gave there is the

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Speaker 2: exact defense of Facebook, Twitter, and Google Crystal every single

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Speaker 2: time that they take somebody down. We are not a platform,

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Speaker 2: or we are a publisher, and publishers get to make

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Speaker 2: editorial decisions. And yet when it was flipped around that

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Speaker 2: we commonly understand that that is a form of censorship.

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Speaker 2: It is obviously a term which is difficult to update

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Speaker 2: to our modern laws, but we can at least understand

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Speaker 2: that there are speech within Overton window, of which Shapiro

635
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Speaker 2: has long advocated include him, but now is saying and

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Speaker 2: she can't and shan't include others.

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Speaker 3: It seems that with Candice, you know, the other.

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Speaker 2: Thing is hypocritical to when he was talking about abortion,

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Speaker 2: is they hired her with full well knowledge of who

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Speaker 2: she was, how she is, and of her mo her

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Speaker 2: willingness to say and whatever they want, and they were

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Speaker 2: happy with it for everything except.

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Speaker 3: Whenever it came towards Israel.

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Speaker 2: And that's the other thing too, is that I believe

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Speaker 2: Jeremy Boring, who is the CEO of the organization The

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Speaker 2: Daily Wire, had said, for example, he would never hire

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Speaker 2: anybody who said that the quote there was a genocide

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Speaker 2: that was happening in Gaza. So it's like you have

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Speaker 2: two lines at the wire. You have abortion. I mean

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Speaker 2: that one's understandable to me given the history of the organization,

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Speaker 2: but now it's Israel, and it's like, oh, hold, Honestly,

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Speaker 2: I thought this was an organization that covered American politics

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Speaker 2: and was talking about American free speech. But here is

654
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Speaker 2: just a little bit too much for mister Shapiro.

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Speaker 1: Well, how I love how suddenly we're getting very nuanced,

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Speaker 1: We're getting very parsy about this whole free speech conversation

657
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Speaker 1: and the comments about Ronald McDaniel. I mean, he's really

658
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Speaker 1: got to work to try to justify that one, because

659
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Speaker 1: it's very plain to see. All right, Well, if you

660
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Speaker 1: know you think it's justified to fire Candace because her

661
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Speaker 1: views fall outside of your quote unquote Overton window, then

662
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Speaker 1: don't complain when NBC News fires ron McDaniel. Don't complain

663
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Speaker 1: when there's a backlash over a Tom Cotton a ED

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Speaker 1: and New York Times.

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Speaker 4: They're a publisher exactly perhaps this was outside of their

666
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Speaker 4: Overton window, so it shouldn't be published. Don't complain.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just so clear that the moment it

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Speaker 1: came to this issue, that's very core for him Suddenly

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Speaker 1: everything he had said in the past is gone, and

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Speaker 1: he's got to find fifteen different ways to try to

671
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Speaker 1: justify a nuance at Craft. This response to try to

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Speaker 1: hide the fact that he has done a one to

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Speaker 1: eighty when it comes to free speech, and just to

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Speaker 1: pick up on what you were saying about.

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Speaker 4: They knew who Candice was. She they were fine.

676
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Speaker 1: And this question also over whether it was you know,

677
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Speaker 1: she was fired for genuinely anti Semitic comments, which I

678
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Speaker 1: think some of her comments you can say were following

679
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Speaker 1: the category of genuinely anti Semitic in my personal opinion,

680
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Speaker 1: or whether it was over her position with regards to Israel.

681
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Speaker 1: And I think it's very clear because prior to getting

682
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Speaker 1: hired by The Daily Wire, she had said that thing

683
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Speaker 1: about if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and

684
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Speaker 1: have things run well, okay, fine, that was no problem

685
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Speaker 1: for the Daily Wire. She had defended Kanye even if

686
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Speaker 1: she's out there literally saying I love Hitler, that was fine,

687
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Speaker 1: no problem. But the minute that she has a critique

688
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Speaker 1: of Israel and is willing to say we are watching

689
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Speaker 1: a genocide unfold, No, that's the line. And there was

690
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Speaker 1: there were a couple other things that were really interesting

691
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Speaker 1: as well, because SAGERI said that thing. Oh, we didn't

692
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Speaker 1: tell anybody.

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Speaker 4: They can't. They can't.

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Speaker 1: We didn't never tell Cannas she can't say anything. Yeah, well,

695
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Speaker 1: most of these news organizations MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, they're

696
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Speaker 1: not overtly telling their staff you can't say this about

697
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Speaker 1: Trump or you must say this about Trump. But everybody

698
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Speaker 1: knows what that quote unquote Overton window is. Candace knew

699
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Speaker 1: where the Overton window was. She just wasn't willing to

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Speaker 1: abide by those rules and strictures. And so just like

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Speaker 1: it's CNN with Mark Lamont Hill or at MSNBC with

702
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Speaker 1: Mehdi Hassan, when they went outside of where they knew

703
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Speaker 1: the lines were, they're gone. So you're just like them.

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Speaker 1: That's the bottom line. You're just like them. Don't pretend like.

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Speaker 3: You're Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And that's the other thing is you need to understand

707
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Speaker 2: that the if you are going to position yourself and

708
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Speaker 2: make a million, not even it's probably hundreds of millions

709
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: of dollars as a free speech organization whose entire purpose,

710
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Speaker 2: by the way, is to blow up the Overton window.

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Speaker 3: And you know what in a certain sense.

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Speaker 2: Part of what I despise the most about that was

713
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Speaker 2: He's like, well, we need to have some Overton window.

714
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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, now, we need to have some Overton window.

715
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Speaker 3: I'm like, by the way, I don't even believe in it.

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Speaker 2: I think people should be able to say anything, even

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Speaker 2: the craziest shit, because in general, that's how a lot

718
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Speaker 2: of truth can emerge. You really have no idea in

719
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Speaker 2: the actual moment, and I think that's actually very good

720
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Speaker 2: for society. But now all of a sudden he does

721
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Speaker 2: believe in you know, where things should be, and it's like, well,

722
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Speaker 2: you don't see the hypocrisy on how that's used against you,

723
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Speaker 2: on transgenderism or any erase and all these other issues

724
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Speaker 2: that these guys have made whole careers, you know, speaking

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Speaker 2: out against. Here they are lockstep with Jonathan Greenblatt and

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Speaker 2: all of them over at the ADL, who they have

727
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Speaker 2: criticized a million times. So, in the words of Glenn Greenweald,

728
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Speaker 2: that is what makes me absolutely sick. There's also some

729
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Speaker 2: evidence too about how this all went down behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This account censored. Men don't know who this gentleman or

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Speaker 2: who this woman is, but been doing some great work

733
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Speaker 2: they have actually put out.

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Speaker 3: This was the.

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Speaker 2: Email sent to employees at the Daily Wire informing them

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Speaker 2: of the impromptu town hall that Jeremy Boring had organized.

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Speaker 2: Employees were told not to bring their cell phones to

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Speaker 2: the meeting. Independent contractors would not be allowed to attend

739
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: at the town hall. Daily Wire leadership attempted to smear

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Speaker 2: Owens as an anti Semite in front of their employees

741
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Speaker 2: to justify if their hiring. And you can see the

742
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Speaker 2: evidence of that town hall, which is very clearly Increase

743
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: included there for the emails that were sent to their

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Speaker 2: entire staff. Let's go to the next part here, please,

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Speaker 2: because you can see too Candace is saying, quote, Ben,

746
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Speaker 2: we agreed not to talk about this, but you are

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Speaker 2: very much going on a public tour right now pretending

748
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Speaker 2: not to talk about it while you were very.

749
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Speaker 3: Much talking about it. Would you like me to do

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Speaker 3: the same.

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Speaker 2: Part of the reason, Crystal, that Candace is so dangerous

752
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Speaker 2: is that her husband is a son of a billionaire.

753
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Speaker 2: So let's just say she is not hurting for cash,

754
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Speaker 2: and she truly is. If there is such a thing

755
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Speaker 2: as fu money she's got it, so good for her, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: she continues, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean it's it's a very revealing situation. And part of

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Speaker 1: why is so important is because there's always been this

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Speaker 1: incredible blind spot on the right, even at the peak

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Speaker 1: of their supposed free speech commitment, when it comes to

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Speaker 1: Israel and Palestine and the number of people this is

762
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Speaker 1: like the number one issue that will get you canceled

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Speaker 1: careers ruined. Hey, you have this whole like war path

764
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Speaker 1: against students at Harvard led by Bill Ackman to try

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Speaker 1: to destroy their career prospects for the entire rust of

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Speaker 1: their lives for participating in protests and doing rally chants

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Speaker 1: that he found to be objectionable. If you actually consistently

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Speaker 1: care about free speech, you have to care about free

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Speaker 1: speech when it comes to this issue, no matter what

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Speaker 1: you think about Israel and Gaza and Hamas and what's

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Speaker 1: happening right now, because it is about that principle of

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Speaker 1: free speech, and so it is, you know, it's sort

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Speaker 1: of it's sort of perfect that it comes down to

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Speaker 1: Candace stepping out on the line when it comes to Israel,

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Speaker 1: that that's what it comes down to, and not just

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Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro but so many others on the right, including

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Speaker 1: Dave Rubin, really showing their ass when it comes to

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Speaker 1: their actual commitment to free speech, which is only comes

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Speaker 1: into play when it is people in speech that they

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Speaker 1: find to be ideologically convenient for themselves. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I actually want to recall the comments that Rogan made

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Speaker 1: in the context of Candace getting fired, and you know,

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Speaker 1: you brought up abortion. Ben said, listen, you know we

784
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Speaker 1: would never hire someone who's pro abortion here.

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Speaker 4: Okay, fair enough.

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Speaker 1: That is a moral position, a philosophical moral position on

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Speaker 1: a political spectrum. Rogan's point was basically, you know, whether

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Speaker 1: you want to use the term genocide or not, you

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Speaker 1: have to be able to deal with the facts of

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Speaker 1: what is happening here, which are not That's not an opinion, right,

791
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: that's facts in reality.

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Speaker 4: So I would even put.

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Speaker 1: This issue out side of you know, a sort of

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Speaker 1: like political sphere of debate, because clearly you aren't even

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Speaker 1: at the Daily Wire. You aren't even allowed to really

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Speaker 1: discuss the facts of what's unfolding. You're certainly not allowed

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Speaker 1: to call it a genocide when you have you know,

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Speaker 1: you on special Rappertoire, you have the ICJ saying it's plausible.

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Speaker 1: You have numerous human rights organization saying this.

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Speaker 4: So if if you.

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Speaker 1: Can't even speak to just the facts and reality of

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Speaker 1: what's happening, then you can't really call yourself a news organization.

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Speaker 1: And no, I don't think that that's an appropriate quote

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00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: unquote Overton window to have, where you, as a condition

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Speaker 1: of working there, you have to deny reality that's unfolding

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Speaker 1: in front of you.

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Speaker 4: That's that's insane. And like I.

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Speaker 1: Said, you can't call yourself a news organization there, You're

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Speaker 1: just a propaganda allen.

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Speaker 4: And that's that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's fine, you know, be honest about that,

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Speaker 2: But don't be raising hundreds of or you know, asking

813
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Speaker 2: people sill and asking for hundreds of millions of dollars

814
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Speaker 2: and buy Jeremy's razors and chocolates and all the other

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Speaker 2: things that these people have done toosition themselves as outside

816
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Speaker 2: of this specifically the job of trying to crack the

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Speaker 2: so called mainstream and to expand the Overton window to correctly,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, include some of the viewpoints that they

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Speaker 2: have over there, and then experience and partake in the

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Speaker 2: exact same censorship tactics that they did whenever you were

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Speaker 2: speaking out, so I think that's really really disgusting. I

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Speaker 2: also refer people to Glenn Greenwell's commentary on the subject.

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Speaker 2: It was absolutely fantastic. Let's go to the next part.

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Speaker 2: This is another update on a story that we wanted

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Speaker 2: to make sure that we included. Let's go put this

826
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Speaker 2: please up on the screen. We brought everybody the news

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Speaker 2: about how the FEDS had rated two of P. Diddy's residences,

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Speaker 2: both in Los Angeles and in Miami, allegedly over a

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Speaker 2: sex trafficking investigation. It appears now from the New York Post,

830
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: who definitely would have the scoop on something like this.

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Speaker 2: They say the FEDS are set to widen the Diddy

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Speaker 2: sex probe over cleans that the rapper boasted about shooting people,

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Speaker 2: bribing jurors, and using j Lo as a gun mule.

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Speaker 3: It says quote.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five years ago, at two thirty am on a

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Speaker 2: cold winter night, three NYPD detectives were called into Midtown

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Speaker 2: North Precinct. Rap impresario Sean Combs, then known as Puff Daddy,

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Speaker 2: with his girlfriend Jennifer Lopez, and his bodyguard, as well

839
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Speaker 2: as another rapper, had been arrested following a shooting inside

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Speaker 2: of a Times Square club that had wounded three bystanders.

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Speaker 2: The cops then found j Lo At that time quote

842
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Speaker 2: cuffed in the cage. Combs was in the station house

843
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Speaker 2: and his plans for a spectacular celebration of the new

844
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Speaker 2: Millennium man. This is really dated for a few days later.

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Speaker 2: We're temporarily on hold.

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Speaker 3: It says.

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Speaker 2: Now the events of that night and the sensational trial

848
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Speaker 2: which followed are back in the spotlight. Two law enforcement

849
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Speaker 2: sources are telling the Post that the infamous shooting and

850
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Speaker 2: the trial would be reinvestigated as part of the sweeping

851
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Speaker 2: probe into Seawan Combs and specifically around the gun mule

852
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: accusations as well as an alleged cover up and bribing jurors,

853
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Speaker 2: and eventually got him off of one of the gun

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Speaker 2: charges that we had listed and discussed here previously. Part

855
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Speaker 2: of the reason that they swarmed and went into both

856
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Speaker 2: of his residences, it appears, is into the sex trafficking

857
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Speaker 2: investigation for which they were appearing to look for evidence. Obviously,

858
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Speaker 2: transporting a minor across state lines for the purposes of

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Speaker 2: sex is a federal crime of which there is a

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Speaker 2: very very lengthy jail sentence, and that's exactly what mister

861
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: Combs is actually being accused of and was previously in

862
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Speaker 2: some of these losses. But it does appear, I mean,

863
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Speaker 2: this is a serious, serious problem for him.

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Speaker 3: This is up there with R. Kelly and others.

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Speaker 2: I do know, Chris, There's been a lot of conspiracy

866
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Speaker 2: that this is like about covering up some of the

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Speaker 2: people that he was involved with. And it will be

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Speaker 2: interesting to see are they going to tug on some

869
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Speaker 2: of the threads here that include a Jlo or many

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Speaker 2: of the other rappers and of the famous people who

871
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: were in his orbit, or are they going to do

872
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: what they did with Epstein, which is focused on two

873
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: charges from twenty thirty years ago or whatever that don't

874
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: implicate anybody. Throw Glane and jail. It just be like, yeah,

875
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: we're just going to figeret that the entire thing happened. Yeah,

876
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a big question.

877
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: And the main character turns up dead. The Epstein vibes

878
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: here are off the charge. Yeah, I agree, because you

879
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: have Diddy at the center of this entire ring of celebrities.

880
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: I mean, he hosted these infamous white parties in the Hampton's.

881
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: He had not just his you know, the it was

882
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: not just the music industry, it was the fashion industries.

883
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 4: This cultural figure with.

884
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: His hands in a lot of different pots, and so

885
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people catching strays right now with regards

886
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: to the Diddy allegations, a lot of rumors flying about

887
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: who knew what when, Because the allegations against Diddy, I mean,

888
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: they last decades, they are extensive, There is a consistent

889
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: pattern that they appear to reveal. You know, there's a

890
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 1: lot of just direct violence, there's a lot of psychological

891
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: torture and manipulation, and then there's the allegations of sexual

892
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: assault and you know, across state lines, which leads it

893
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: into sex trafficking.

894
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 4: Did He of course denies all of that.

895
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: But if you were best days with Ditty, didn't you

896
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: probably know some of these things that were going on.

897
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: Were you potentially involved in some of these things that

898
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: were going on? And so that's why there's so much

899
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: a sort of connective tissue between him and Epstein because

900
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: of these elite circles that they were living in, potential

901
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: dirt that they have on other people who inhabited those circles,

902
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: and so, yeah, are we going to learn how deep

903
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: this went?

904
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 4: How far it went beyond Diddy?

905
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: Who was enabling You can't do the things that he's

906
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: accused of, You cannot do on your own without other

907
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: people knowing and being involved. So who was the Galaine Maxwell?

908
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: Who were the other wealthy celebrities who kept their mouths

909
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: shut because they knew what you had on them? Those

910
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: are the questions that make this story, you know, significant,

911
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: beyond this one man's apparent. You know, horrific depravity and

912
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: you know cool, et cetera. That's what makes this incredibly significant.

913
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: And it just it really is wild to see the

914
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: way that, especially in the entertainment industry, it seems like

915
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: you come ap across these characters in every sphere because

916
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: you have these power dynamics where so many people are

917
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: desperate ticket close to fame, close to money, get close

918
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: to power, that they keep quiet, they enable the behavior,

919
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: they watch, the way they potentially participate in the behavior,

920
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: And that he was able to keep this under wraps

921
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: for decades is astonishing. And you know, credit to Cassie

922
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: who was a first to file a lawsuit. That really

923
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: was the watershed moment that lead led to a lot

924
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: of these revelations and very likely you know, ultimately led

925
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: to this criminal investigation. So again he denies all the

926
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 1: claims and the charges of the allegations, but we will

927
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: see where this goes.

928
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and this is exactly you made a

929
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: just good point here about that you can't participate or

930
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: pull something like this off without a ton of infrastructure

931
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 2: that is underneath you. I mean, part of the thing

932
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: that really came out about how it is so discussing

933
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 2: about Harvey Weinstein is not just Harvey Weinstein, was all

934
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: of his assistance and all these other people, his brother also.

935
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 4: The people were like, yeah, we know he has an

936
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 4: open secret.

937
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: It's like what, like how is this allowed to just

938
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: continue happening over and over again. It's like we need

939
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: to know the names of a lot of those individuals,

940
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: and particularly here. I mean, again, as I understand it,

941
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: this is this story is popping off in pop culture

942
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 2: in a way that I don't really think the mainstream

943
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: media has grappled with just yet, the views, the level

944
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: of interest is up there with Epstein, if not actually

945
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: surpassing it at least in some places. And if they

946
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 2: participate and yet another cover up in just a matter

947
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: of years, people are really really going to take notice

948
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: of something like that and really learn how this so

949
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: called justice system and all of that really works whenever rich,

950
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: powerful people are implicated in major sex trafficking investigations.

951
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 3: So there we go.

952
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to turn down to this situation in

953
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 2: Baltimore where they're cleanup crews remain trying to extract some debris,

954
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: looking for bodies, and continue to find out what the

955
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 2: hell exactly happened in this horrific bridge collapse after that

956
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: container ship struck it in the middle of the night.

957
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 3: We have a little bit of a video from the scene.

958
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

959
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 6: It's a huge bridge. It's going to be in pieces

960
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 6: and tangled. The water is murky, almost no visibility, and

961
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 6: some current. So you combine all that and very dangerous

962
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 6: environment for divers to work. It's sure a big, heavy

963
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 6: Jenga game. It gets precarious and it can all come

964
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 6: down at any moment. I think there's a lot of

965
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 6: urgency to not only recover the decease, but open that

966
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 6: channel and get the bottleneck of shipping flowing again. I

967
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 6: would be guessing because I'm not there and I have

968
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 6: not seen this myself, but I would say we're looking

969
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 6: at I would say days, not weeks to move that

970
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 6: ship and hopefully potentially clear the channel. It doesn't mean

971
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 6: that the salvage would be over at that point. There

972
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 6: will probably be debris and inspections and investigations going on

973
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 6: for many weeks in months.

974
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: Pretty crazy that the ship remains entangled within the debris,

975
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: including the crew, by the way, who remain on the ship.

976
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: There's still some major questions as to how something like

977
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: this happens. Let's put this up there. Our friends over

978
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: at lever News report this. Larry Hogan, the state's governor

979
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: now turned Senate candidate, has champion quote megaships exactly like

980
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: the one that destroyed the Baltimore Bridge. So this is

981
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: a big question around regulation and specifically also around the

982
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: safety procedures that are involved. Now, I do want to

983
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 2: say some of the first responders and the people who

984
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: are involved, they immediately closed the bridge. They definitely save lives,

985
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 2: they worked incredibly well.

986
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 3: But this I think goes a much at a level.

987
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: Much higher than the individuals who were involved just on

988
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 2: the night of, from the captain to those involved. There

989
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: major regulatory questions around exactly around these container megaships, which

990
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 2: has been increasing, increasing, increasing in size. I personally have

991
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 2: actually visited, and I recommend if you ever do too,

992
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: go down to the Panama Canal and go see it

993
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 2: for yourself, specifically the new part of the canal where

994
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: these megaships can actually make.

995
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: Their way through.

996
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: It is really difficult to actually grapple with how gigantic

997
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: these things are and then the level of infrastructure, machinery

998
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: and others to better necessary for them in our current

999
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: infrastructure as compared to some of the older ships of

1000
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 2: just twenty five even thirty years ago, it's gone exponential,

1001
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: and a lot of our policy has not kept up

1002
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: to date with that.

1003
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: Crystal.

1004
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. So there.

1005
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: This was the second major bridge that collapse in similar circumstances.

1006
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: The federal guilelines to product bridges were drafted following the

1007
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty collapse of the Tampa Bay Sunshine Skyway Bridge.

1008
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: We can actually put this article upon the screen from

1009
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal. That's very good talking about Okay,

1010
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: so this was horrible.

1011
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 4: Is this a risk at other major bridges?

1012
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: And basically the answer is yes. They document these eight

1013
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: US bridges are vulnerable to a repeat of the Baltimore crash.

1014
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: Modern spans must have safeguards, but even robust structures might

1015
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: not withstand a direct blow from giant ships.

1016
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 4: So there are a lot of questions.

1017
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: Here about what needs to be done, not just in

1018
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: rebuilding this particular bridge to enable these megaships and to

1019
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: try to guard from this ever happening again, but also

1020
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: at these other spans around the country, what potential updates

1021
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: and upgrades and safety procedures can be put into place

1022
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: to make sure that we learn the lessons here and

1023
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: don't have a repeat of this war.

1024
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1025
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 2: No, it's really worth reading this entire thing because it

1026
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: demonstrates just again how the ships have become supersized, the vulnerability,

1027
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: the lack of regulation around a lot of this. And

1028
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: this also highlights the same problem where the only reason

1029
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: that we had the updated law was specifically because of

1030
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: a bridge collapse in the future. And now, I mean

1031
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: there's all these questions right now that are come to

1032
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: light around whether the federal government should pay for something

1033
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 2: like this. I also think it will be very instructive

1034
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 2: as to how well this is done. Apparently, inflation adjusted,

1035
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 2: this bridge costs around four hundred million dollars to construct

1036
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: whenever it was built inflation adjusted dollars. So then that's

1037
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: going to be a big question is like, well, have

1038
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: we lowered the cost? Is it going to go exponential?

1039
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 2: Is it going to be billions of dollars? If the

1040
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 2: Feds are going to pay for it, what will exactly

1041
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: be included in terms of the updated infrastructure for this

1042
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: for not? And there's also you know, obviously lots of

1043
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: corruption that Coolie should be on the lookout for. We

1044
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 2: can put the next one, please up there on the

1045
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: screen because this is highlights exactly what I was talking about.

1046
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 2: You could see exactly the size quote of a new

1047
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: ship when the bridge was built, which is tiny, minuscule

1048
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: compared quote to the size of a new ship that

1049
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: exists today, and even minuscule whenever you compare it to

1050
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 2: the cargo ship that crashed into the Baltimore Bridge. Don't

1051
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: forget this ship is relatively new, It was built in

1052
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 2: Korea by Hyundai, and demonstrates that even you know, since

1053
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: that time period, they continue to increase in size and

1054
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: in scale. Some of the graphics that they have in

1055
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: front of us are just literally stunning to behold, just

1056
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: comparing a twenty twenty three ship to a twenty fifteen ship,

1057
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: this one that crashed into the Baltimore Bridge, and it

1058
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 2: demonstrates again why we're going to have updated both infrastructure

1059
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 2: and thought and need for this, because this is already

1060
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 2: impacting a ton of travel shipping and travel shipping and

1061
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,479
Speaker 2: infrastructure in the entire DMV the Baltimore metro area as well.

1062
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 2: It's becoming catastrophic and ours are already said it could

1063
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: turn into now a multi billion dollar boondoggle whenever they're

1064
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: actually trying to fix it, which I really hope they

1065
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: do and they get it running as fast as possible.

1066
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, So just for comparison's sake, the ship that crashed

1067
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: into the Baltimore Bridge has the capacity to carry ten

1068
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: thousand containers. The largest ships that exist now can carry

1069
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: twenty four crazy thousand. Now, Baltimore Port was not equipped

1070
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: for that level of megaship, so you would never see

1071
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 1: like a twenty four thousand container ship in.

1072
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 4: That particular port.

1073
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: But this is the size that is now being enabled

1074
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: around the globe. So you know, as you mentioned, Sager,

1075
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: this is a huge blow to global shipping. It's a

1076
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: massive blow to the city of Baltimore, which really didn't

1077
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: need this. I mean, in terms of the economic impact

1078
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: here is going to be extraordinary. There may be a

1079
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: lot of workers, dock workers who are out of work

1080
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: and who are really struggling, you know, while this bridge

1081
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: is being constructed. All of the estimates I've seen it's

1082
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: going to take years. It's going to take years for

1083
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: this bridge to be rebuilt and for this port to

1084
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: be fully back up and functional. So huge impact there.

1085
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: Huge impact obviously in terms of traffic and congestion. I mean,

1086
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: this quarter is one of the busiest and already one

1087
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: of the most congested in the entire country, So that's

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Speaker 1: going to be an extraordinary impact as well. And you know,

1089
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: a lot of questions here still about exactly. You know,

1090
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: it looks very clear there's some sort of like a

1091
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: technical failure. The electricity went out, impacted the steering, et cetera.

1092
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: I mean that the outlines of what happened, it seems

1093
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: like we know. But there are still a lot of

1094
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: questions that have been raised by our friends at lever

1095
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: News about whether this type of ship really, you know,

1096
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: whether it was ever safe for this size of ship

1097
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: to be navigating in those areas, whether those proper safety

1098
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: procedures were in place with regards to the shipping company,

1099
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: whether they were falling procedures, whether safety regulations were you know,

1100
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: appropriately followed.

1101
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 4: Whether the ship was maintained properly.

1102
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: So there still are a lot of questions about exactly

1103
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: how this was, how this unfolded.

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00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 3: That's right.

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00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 2: We'll continue to stay on the story, keep everybody updated.

1106
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: It's you know, it still remains one of the most

1107
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 2: important stories in the country. I think it really captured

1108
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: a lot of people's attention to and you know, just

1109
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 2: such a horrific situation. The idea of being on the bridge,

1110
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 2: the fallout bridges being something that we go along with

1111
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: all the time. And you know there's something symbolic about too,

1112
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: this great American city already on the downswing, the bridge

1113
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: falls apart.

1114
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 3: Can the government actually reclaim some.

1115
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: Of its glory like it has in the past, rebuild

1116
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: something like this possible even better?

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00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 3: And I think that story is going to be very

1118
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 3: important for me.

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00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the heartbreak of those six workers, oh yeah, it

1121
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: was horrible. Most if not all of them, immigrants to

1122
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: this country, were there on the bridge in the middle

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00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: of the night, you know, fixing potholes and at grace

1124
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: risk to themselves and ultimately losing their lives while trying

1125
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: to make people's commutes a little bit easier. So sure,

1126
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: our heartbreaks for them and their families as well. All right,

1127
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and move on to the very latest

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00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: with regards to our policy visa the Israel.

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00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 4: Let's put this up on the screen.

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00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: This really says it all about where we are in

1131
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,919
Speaker 1: spite of all the rhetorical shifts from the Biden administration

1132
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: expressing their concern about Palestinine civilians, et cetera. Meanwhile, the

1133
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: US has just signed off on more bombs and more

1134
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: warplanes for Israel. Subhead here, despite a widening rift with

1135
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: the Israeli government, the Biden administration continues to authorize the

1136
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: transfer of two one thousand pound bombs and other weapons.

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00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 1: So specifically, in addition to eighteen hundred new two thousand

1138
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: pound bombs, we've also got five hundred five hundred pound bombs.

1139
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: They go on to say. The two thousand pound bombs,

1140
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: you guys probably recall this, have been linked to previous

1141
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: mass casualty events throughout Israel's military campaign in Gaza. They

1142
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: are capable of leveling city blocks and leaving craters in

1143
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: the earth forty feet across in larger and are almost

1144
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: never used anymore by Western militaries in densely populated locations

1145
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: due to the risk of civilian casualties. But of course

1146
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: Israel has used them extensively in Gaza one and perhaps

1147
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: most notably in the bombing of Gaza's Jabalia refugee camp

1148
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: that was on October thirty first. UN officials decried that strike,

1149
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: which killed more than one hundred people, as a disproportionate

1150
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: attack that could amount to war crimes. Israel defended the bombing,

1151
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 1: saying it resulted in the death of a single Hamas leader.

1152
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: Two thousand pound bunk or buster bomb to at best

1153
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: kill one Humas leader, again, according to Israel, at the

1154
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: cost of more than one hundred Palestinian civilian lives.

1155
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 4: So we talked a lot about these two.

1156
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: Thousand pound bombs at the time because exactly what they're

1157
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: laying out here. Our military, which also had some issues,

1158
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: let's say, during the War on Terror, you know, and

1159
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 1: in Iraq and in Afghanistan, etc. With regard to protecting

1160
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,959
Speaker 1: civilian life, they said, in a dense urban environment, two

1161
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: thousand pound bombs no way. The absolute max they would

1162
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: use is five hundred pound bombs. Not to mention here

1163
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:49,720
Speaker 1: we are hearing all of this supposed concern about Rafa,

1164
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: where more than a million civilians are huddled, desperate, trying

1165
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: to seek safety. We're hearing these supposed concerns, and yet

1166
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: what are they doing in reality shipping the very two

1167
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: thousand pound bombs that could absolutely massacre these people. So

1168
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 1: don't believe them when they pretend like they care about

1169
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: Palestinian civilians, Like this is the real policy, and this

1170
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: says it all about where we actually are a vis

1171
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: of the Israel.

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Speaker 2: That's very Honestly, I was shocked by it because first

1173
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: they tried to do it in secret, as.

1174
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 3: If it wasn't going to lead. Come on, guys, you

1175
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 3: really think that that's not going to get up.

1176
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 2: But really what kind of shocked me is that we're

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00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: fulfilling their wish list almost to a t. These are

1178
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: the exact munitions that they need restock, which they don't

1179
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 2: produce for themselves and they can't buy from everybody else.

1180
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 2: It also fits with Frankly, Wood has received less scrutiny,

1181
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: but it was also very important. I read this with

1182
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: great interest yesterday. We can put it up there on

1183
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: the screen from the Wall Street Journal. It says quote

1184
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 2: US and Israel's unprecedented intelligence sharing draws criticism, and it

1185
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 2: basically says that we have expanded intaeil sharing with Israel

1186
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: after the October seventh attack, quote growing concerns in Washington

1187
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 2: about whether that information is contributing actually to civilian casualties.

1188
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 2: The justification of the intelligence sharing was that this would

1189
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 2: allow them to use precision guided munitions. But it appears

1190
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: actually that instead that the information either maybe disregarded or used,

1191
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 2: let's say, in a very very different way than it

1192
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: was passed on. And it was originally intended. It first

1193
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: began with hostage sharing our hostage recovery because some of

1194
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 2: the hostages are American citizens, but quickly actually expanded very

1195
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 2: much into the similar role that we're seeing with the

1196
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: US military play with Ukraine. But if you pair those

1197
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: two things together, I do think it is undeniable that

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00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 2: their military campaign that would not at least exist as

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Speaker 2: it currently is without the United States absolutely and its support.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: And from that article, they say the US shares what's

1202
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: known as raw intelligence, such as live video feeds from

1203
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: intelligence gathering drones over Gaza with Israeli security agencies. We

1204
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: had also apparently dramatically expanded our own surveillance of Gaza previously,

1205
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: so guess we have a lot of these live video

1206
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: feeds that we can offer up to the Israeli's Sarah Yeager,

1207
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: who is watching in, director of New York based nonprofit

1208
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: Human Rights Watch, that the intelligence sharing arrangement has little

1209
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: in the way of rules and restrictions end quote, essentially

1210
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: opens up the entire US vault. So think about our

1211
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: involvement here. Okay, Number one, as we just said, fulfilling

1212
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: the entire wish list whatever they want. Weapons wise, we've

1213
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: shipped more than one hundred different weapons shipments at this point.

1214
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: Even at this juncture when the rhetorical concerns about Palistine

1215
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: civilians have been elevated all the way up to Joe

1216
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: Biden himself, we are still shipping huge quantities of two

1217
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: thousand pounds bunker buster bombs that have been used to

1218
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: absolutely massacre civilians by Israeli. So fulfilling the entire weapons

1219
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: wish list. Okay, what's another key Israeli policy with regard

1220
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: to GASA starvation and collective punishment, which was, you know,

1221
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: complete siege and now, so at the beginning they then

1222
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: allowed in a trickle of trucks. We have also done

1223
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: their bidding when it comes to starving and inflicting punishment

1224
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: across the entire civilian population. Specifically, when they asked us

1225
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: to defund UNRA, we did it. Number one eight organization

1226
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: on the ground, we said yes. Now we have codified

1227
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: into law that UNRA is defunded at least through twenty

1228
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: twenty five. So we're do their bidding there when it

1229
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: comes to another key policy, which is starving the population.

1230
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: And now we learn which we probably could have guessed,

1231
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: but good to have the details here as well, that

1232
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: when it comes to the actual targeting and the intelligence

1233
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: sharing and the surveillance of Gaza work in hand in glove,

1234
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: no restrictions, giving them absolutely everything.

1235
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 4: They want and need.

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01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: And we see Joe Biden himself describe their bombing as indiscriminate,

1237
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: so it's not like he doesn't know that they're not

1238
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: precisely targeting Hamas.

1239
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 4: And these pinpoint strikes.

1240
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: We can all see the Dresden level devastation of the

1241
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: entire Gaza strip. So in every way imaginable, we are

1242
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: backing and aiding in the most horrifying atrocities that are

1243
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: unfolding before all.

1244
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 4: Of our eyes.

1245
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: And to add insult to injury, let's put this up

1246
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: on the screen from Haretz. Buffer Zone and Control Corridor,

1247
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: what the Israeli armies entrenchment in Gaza looks like under

1248
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: the radar. The IDF is creating a border buffer zone

1249
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: that occupies sixteen percent of the Gaza Strip's territory and

1250
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: an east west control corridor to monitor Palestinians moving north.

1251
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: This is what it looks like in satellite images. They

1252
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: go on to say, without providing many details. Issue is

1253
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: currently pursuing a massive project in the Gaza Strip, again

1254
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: taking up to about sixteen percent of the Gaza Strips

1255
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: area for this buffer zone. They've demolished absolutely everything in

1256
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: this area.

1257
01:01:58,720 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 4: They say.

1258
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: The buffer zone will feature earth dykes and IDF forces

1259
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: will go in and out. There are no plans to

1260
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: set up any permanent military posts inside the zone. That

1261
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: area that has been thoroughly demolished. If you look at

1262
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: the satellite images used to comprise agricultural feeds, greenhouses, solar

1263
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: plant panels, and many residential structures, the IDF is now

1264
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: systematically demolishing these structures. Okay, So this matters for a

1265
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: variety of reasons. First of all, the one more instance

1266
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: of complete annihilation of Gaza civilian life unfolding before our eyes,

1267
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: the intentional demolition of everything that is in this area

1268
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: sixteen percent of the land mass of the Gaza Strip.

1269
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: Second of all, this goes directly against what the US

1270
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: has long claimed is one of our policy redlines with

1271
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: regards to the quote unquote day after in Gaza. Here's

1272
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: John Kirby speaking to exactly.

1273
01:02:54,000 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 10: That attributed to some of these ministers at this event. Irresponsible, incendiary.

1274
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 10: I'd go so far as to say, and certainly as

1275
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 10: a report, with our strong policy statement, what we have

1276
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 10: made clear that there can be no reduction in gods

1277
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 10: and territory.

1278
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: No reduction in gods of territory. Well, it's happening right

1279
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: here before your eyes. They are the US military, the

1280
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: US you know, intelligence apparatus certainly knows this even better

1281
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: than Haratz is able to report. And is there any

1282
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: concern over this race by the administration to the public,

1283
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: none whatsoever.

1284
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a bit laughable.

1285
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 2: And you know the other thing I had realized too

1286
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 2: about the intelligence is that given that the Israelis are

1287
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 2: probably number the one or two biggest counterintelligence threat to

1288
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 2: the US intelligence community. Sharing them raw intelligence and just

1289
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 2: expecting them not to gleam and possibly steal basically whatever

1290
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 2: they want and sources, methods, et cetera is also probably

1291
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 2: something that probably should be discussed and would have been,

1292
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 2: you know, privately at least in the past, but obviously

1293
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 2: was overridden by the Biden administration. But anyway, I think

1294
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 2: what you can see very very clearly is that at

1295
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 2: a policy level, as of what this was only a

1296
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 2: two day ago result, that the weapons are continuing to

1297
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 2: flow regardless of any violation of alleged US policy, which

1298
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 2: means that there is no such US policy.

1299
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's at least the headline to.

1300
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 4: Me, that is the bottom line.

1301
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: At the same time, we wanted to pay a little

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Speaker 1: bit of attention to what is unfolding in Israel domestically.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up on the screen. There've been huge protests.

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Speaker 1: These are images out of Tel Aviv. These are from

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Speaker 1: a few days ago, but these protests have continued and

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Speaker 1: in fact are escalating as of today.

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Speaker 4: Huge crowds here.

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Speaker 1: For those of you who are just listening, you also

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Speaker 1: see a very aggressive Israeli police response, which once again

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Speaker 1: contrast you can see them being shot with water cannons here,

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Speaker 1: once again contrast with the watermelon and cotton candy that

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Speaker 1: is being enjoyed by the protesters who are there at

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Speaker 1: Gaza blocking aid trucks from going in. Very different treatment

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Speaker 1: here when it comes to protests who are against the

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Speaker 1: net Na WHO government, there's a mix of issues that

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Speaker 1: has brought people into the streets. Let's go and put

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Speaker 1: this up on the screen. You know, hostage families and

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Speaker 1: their advocates have really been at the center of a

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Speaker 1: lot of the recent protests. You had a press conference

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Speaker 1: from the families of hostages against net Nyaho said quote Netanya,

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Speaker 1: who is working against a hostage deal. His behavior regarding

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Speaker 1: hostages is a crime. We have no choice but to

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Speaker 1: say we understand that you're the one who's blocking the deal.

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Speaker 1: We'll do whatever it takes to try and end your

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Speaker 1: term as PM. This is a new phase in our

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Speaker 1: battle to bring our kids home. And again this was

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Speaker 1: from family members of hostages in a press conference. Let's

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Speaker 1: put this next piece up on the screen. Some reporting

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Speaker 1: on a four day protest in Jerusalem that just launched

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Speaker 1: that protest movement against the net Noaho government is expected

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Speaker 1: to face its first significant challenge since the war with

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Speaker 1: Hmas began after leaders called on supporters to converge outside

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Speaker 1: the Kanesset in Jerusalem on Sunday four Straation to set

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Speaker 1: up a tensity that will remain in place for four days.

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Speaker 1: They say members of the protests organization know that the

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Speaker 1: civil awakening of the past few weeks is unlikely to

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Speaker 1: bring down the government in the six days remaining before

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Speaker 1: the Knesset spring recess, but a good turnout would allow

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Speaker 1: the movement to begin the summer session on a high note.

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Speaker 1: They hope to channel public anger that returned last week

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Speaker 1: mainly around the hostage deal or lack thereof, into getting

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Speaker 1: Israelis back on the streets in large numbers for the

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Speaker 1: first time since the war began. Organizers target a Jerusalem

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Speaker 1: Tel Aviv is also a compromise a matter of habit.

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Speaker 1: Families of victims have maintained a tent camp near the

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Speaker 1: Canesset since the start of the war, so you have

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Speaker 1: a combination of upset over the lack of a deal

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Speaker 1: to free the hostages. This goes counter to the narrative

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Speaker 1: that you hear from a lot of American Israel defenders about, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, just that the war has to continue to

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Speaker 1: free the hostages. Well, these family members of the hostages

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Speaker 1: are saying the exact opposite, that the way to free

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Speaker 1: the hostages, which obviously we've seen as this war is unfolded,

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Speaker 1: is to come to a deal so that there can

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Speaker 1: be a cease fire and hostages can be released, and

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Speaker 1: Palestinian hostages being held by Israelis can also be released

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Speaker 1: as part of that deal. So we know the only

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Speaker 1: time there was a significant hostage release came as a

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Speaker 1: result of one of these deals. Israel has killed some

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Speaker 1: undetermined number of their own hostages with this onslaught in

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Speaker 1: the Gaza strip. So you can understand very logically how

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Speaker 1: they came to the conclusion that your war is not

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Speaker 1: rescuing our brothers, sisters, family members, etc. It is putting

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Speaker 1: them at fur the grave risks.

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Speaker 2: Well, one of the family members of the hostages spoke

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Speaker 2: exactly to that. If we can go ahead and play that,

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Speaker 2: please eate. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 8: There's a lot of pressure coming from the cabinet ministers

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Speaker 8: stating these thoughts. Okay, be quiet, be quiet, play along,

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Speaker 8: come with us to these delegations and then meet with

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Speaker 8: the UN and put pressure on outside players, but don't

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Speaker 8: say anything to contradict the fish a governmental line and

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Speaker 8: the Israel Republic is being pumped with together we would win. Together,

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Speaker 8: we would win, and we're not winning. We're not winning

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Speaker 8: at all. So this this shorade should stop. We need

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Speaker 8: some international intervention because the way things are going in

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Speaker 8: Israel now we're jumping straight head down to the business.

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Speaker 2: This rhetoric is part of what drives me so crazy

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Speaker 2: about American politics is they have more debate in their

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Speaker 2: own country than we do, are we? Why is this allowed?

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Speaker 2: Why are they allowed to question their own leaders. He's

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Speaker 2: directly calling for international intervention into his own country. If

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Speaker 2: you called for that here in this country, I mean,

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Speaker 2: imagine you know how they have smeared you look at

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Speaker 2: the way that Natsan Yahu went after Chuck Schumer for

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Speaker 2: calling for a new government. And yet in their country

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Speaker 2: they have widespread thousands of people protesting in the street

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Speaker 2: disagreement over the war policy. But that's allowed, you know,

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Speaker 2: for them, But here it makes you an anti Semitic

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Speaker 2: or pro Hamas or whatever. It's it's just drives me

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Speaker 2: nuts to see that for them, they're allowed to have

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Speaker 2: rational bounds of discussion and whatever.

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Speaker 3: And look, I'm not, you know, a whole defender or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But at the very least they appear to be have

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Speaker 2: a much more robust debate within their own country, their

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Speaker 2: media than we are allowed in our own country.

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Speaker 3: And that actually makes me really really upset.

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Speaker 4: To a point, Yeah, to a point.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it also is true that there have been

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Speaker 1: many people who have been arrested in harassed for posting

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Speaker 1: propolistic victiments on social media and Israel, So I don't

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Speaker 1: want to go too far. What's acceptable to do is

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Speaker 1: you can criticize.

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Speaker 4: The NTA WHO government. Yeah, you can.

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Speaker 1: Criticize the hostage strategy. You know, you aren't allowed to

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Speaker 1: say it's a genocide, right, You're not allowed to actually

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Speaker 1: you know fully rebut or dissent from the desire to

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Speaker 1: have this war.

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Speaker 4: To begin with.

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Speaker 1: Like, there are very clear lines you're really not allowed

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Speaker 1: to you know, fully express support for Palisan civilians, humanity,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. And as I was saying, they have very

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Speaker 1: draconian policies if you cross over those lines. And you

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Speaker 1: can also see the aggressive response towards these protesters as well.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 1: But what this man was saying was very important because

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Speaker 1: he's revealing that behind the scenes, the Netanyahu government is

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Speaker 1: putting pressure on the hostage member families to keep quiet.

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Speaker 4: And you can understand.

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Speaker 1: How that would be very powerful because the fate of

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Speaker 1: your loved ones is in their hands. They're the ones

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Speaker 1: who are negotiating who's going to be on the next.

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Speaker 4: List of release.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, and so they really could you know,

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Speaker 1: they can prioritize your loved one or they cannot. And

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Speaker 1: so when they're telling you, here's what you need to say,

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Speaker 1: and here's the things that you're not allowed to say,

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Speaker 1: and here's where we want you to be, and here's

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Speaker 1: how we want you to, you know, hush up with

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Speaker 1: these other concerns. Yeah, that's going to be incredibly powerful

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Speaker 1: when you are desperate to see your loved one returned

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Speaker 1: home safe and sound. So it's actually, you know, very

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Speaker 1: revelatory that he's indicating that that sort of pressure is

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Speaker 1: coming directly from the Natanyahu government. There's another issue that

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Speaker 1: is unfolding in Israeli society, which you know is uh,

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Speaker 1: this is a big one for them, and this goes back.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a long time debate and conflict over

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Speaker 1: whether Israel is going to be an even somewhat nominally

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Speaker 1: secular state or whether it is going to be sort

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Speaker 1: of like an overtly religious state, and this particular conflict

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Speaker 1: cuts to the core of that question. Let's put this

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Speaker 1: up on the screen so dramatic. Is really Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: ruling that freezes funding to ultra Orthodox seminaries unless their

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Speaker 1: students serve in the military is forcing Netnahu's government to

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Speaker 1: contend with its survival.

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Speaker 4: They say.

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Speaker 1: The headline here is netna who coalition in crisis over

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Speaker 1: religious draft as war rages. Ultra Orthodox parties in the

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Speaker 1: ruling coalition had been assured that they're decades long immunity

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Speaker 1: from conscription would be made permanent, and they were in

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Speaker 1: a rage after the Supreme Court decision. They called the

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Speaker 1: decision a quote mark of Cain. They're threatening to exit

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Speaker 1: the coalition. Those in the quote unquote center who joined

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Speaker 1: the war cabinet last October back to the court, citing

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Speaker 1: the need for war military manpower as Israel faces threats

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Speaker 1: not only from Hamas and Gazaba, also from Hesbula in Lebanon.

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Speaker 1: Since the war, they write, the burden of carrying the

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Speaker 1: ultra Orthodox has become unbearable for large majorities of Israelis,

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Speaker 1: who see their abstention from military service as unfair and

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Speaker 1: a drain on the economy. Thursday's decision means hundreds of

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Speaker 1: religious academies or ishivas will lose a significant portion of

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Speaker 1: their funding, some up to fifty percent.

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Speaker 4: And just to give you a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit of the background here which they write out while

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Speaker 1: on this story, they say, many Israelis have long resented

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Speaker 1: this exemption of the ultra Orthodox because they don't share

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Speaker 1: the security burden, but also because their eshivas received these

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Speaker 1: huge governments of cities.

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Speaker 4: So the men.

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Speaker 1: Mostly just study religious texts and don't work. So you're

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Speaker 1: not contributing to the economy, you're exempt from conscription into

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Speaker 1: the military, and we're funding your schools and paying for

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Speaker 1: all of this is the view of the more secular

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Speaker 1: Israeli public. This portion of ultra Orthodox religious Jews makes

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Speaker 1: up about thirteen percent of the Israeli population they live in.

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Speaker 1: According to this article Cloister life of poverty, prayer and

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Speaker 1: studying large families. They believe religious study contributes mortives or

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Speaker 1: real safety than military service, and also fear their young men,

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Speaker 1: if exposed a secular society will leave the fold.

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Speaker 4: That's probably kind of justified.

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Speaker 1: The problem is in terms of the numbers, nearly half

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Speaker 1: of ultra Orthodox men are unemployed, only fourteen percent of

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Speaker 1: university degrees.

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Speaker 4: A quarter of children four.

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Speaker 1: And younger though, are ultra Orthodox, raising questions about how

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Speaker 1: the society will support.

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Speaker 4: Itself in the future.

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Speaker 1: So you have this significant and rapidly growing part of

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Speaker 1: Israeli society, which is also becoming increasingly politically powerful, that

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Speaker 1: has been exempt from the draft and had their whole

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Speaker 1: lifestyle not working and just studying and their schools funded

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Speaker 1: by the Israeli taxpayer, and that population is growing far

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Speaker 1: faster than other Jewish demographic groups in Israel. So, as

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Speaker 1: I said, this is kind of coming to a head

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Speaker 1: now in terms of whether the coalition is actually going

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Speaker 1: to split over this, I find it doubtful because the

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Speaker 1: thing that would happen if they don't have net Nyahu

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Speaker 1: is you'd end up with someone like Benny Gantz, who.

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Speaker 4: Is more secular.

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Speaker 1: He's still hardline when it comes to the war in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the policy that different under Benny Gantse,

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Speaker 1: although as we've discussed before, he may be more sympathetic

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Speaker 1: to the hostage families and more aggressive and seeking some

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Speaker 1: sort of a deal there, so it could be significant there,

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Speaker 1: but certainly he's not going to be on their side.

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Speaker 4: When it comes to an issue like that.

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Speaker 1: So I think they feel like net Nyahu is probably

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Speaker 1: the lesser of two evils, to use some political phrasing

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Speaker 1: from that we might be familiar with here in America.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, these people are the whole situation is

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Speaker 2: because Crystal. It's not only do they get their schools funded,

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Speaker 2: they are also the biggest welfare queens on the planet

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Speaker 2: and they literally get paid by the state in order

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Speaker 2: to sit out religion to not where they don't do anything.

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Speaker 3: And they also have like ten children. It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: If anybody's ever been to Jerusalem or to Israel, you

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01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 2: see them all over. The secular Israelis hate them with

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01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 2: the passion, specifically for this reason and especially now. I mean, look,

1519
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 2: serving in the military is not fun. You have to

1520
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 2: give up two years of your entire life. Rich and

1521
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 2: poor everybody alike, except if you're one of them, and

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01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 2: they get paid, they get their exemptions, they have all

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01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 2: these children, they get basically vassals of the state in

1524
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 2: order to just study religion all day. I mean, it's

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01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 2: just outrageous, especially in an allegedly secular democracy. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: I think in this particular case, though, if they are

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01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 2: able to maintain their draft exemption even in the biggest

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01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 2: draft call up in Israeli history, and as you've had

1529
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 2: massive blows to the economy, it does demonstrate their power.

1530
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 2: Part of the reason why some politicians don't want get

1531
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 2: on the wrong side of them is because their population

1532
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 2: booms so much that there's some projections that say some

1533
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 2: fifty percent of the country in fifty years is going

1534
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 2: to just be ultra Orthodox.

1535
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, are going to be the Hurries.

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01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 2: So they're like, well, demographics is kind of destiny at

1537
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 2: that point, and that will put very irreconcilable parts of

1538
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 2: Israeli society that really come up against each other. It's

1539
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 2: hard to even put in a US context because we

1540
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 2: really can't understand just like how different they're both visions

1541
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,639
Speaker 2: of the country, of the state, of what it's supposed

1542
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 2: to be and all of that actually are, and they

1543
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 2: somehow coexist in the same place, which is like barely

1544
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 2: the size of a US state.

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01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 1: Well, and their representatives would be more of the like

1546
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 1: Smotrich ben Gevier.

1547
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 6: Like.

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01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 2: See, they have crazy beliefs. Some of them don't even

1549
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 2: believe that Israel is a real country. You know, some

1550
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 2: of them have been arrested by the secular military play.

1551
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 2: This is my other thing. Their biblical interpretations and all

1552
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 2: that are way all over the map. So even smoke

1553
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 2: tris I don't know if he's one hundred percent you know,

1554
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,679
Speaker 2: in line. And they have much more like socially conservative

1555
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,520
Speaker 2: views on some things. They're not necessarily as pro military

1556
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 2: in others. It's difficult to get to like wrap your

1557
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 2: head around them. It's a weird group.

1558
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,799
Speaker 1: But just so people understand, like this Supreme Court decision

1559
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: is already going into effect.

1560
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the funding is being.

1561
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 1: Pulled, the draft lifts, lists are being created.

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01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 4: This is going into action now.

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01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: There could be some sort of political comment compromise that

1564
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: makes its way through the Kanesset. And my understanding is,

1565
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, that's a possibility that you don't end up

1566
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: fully with, you know, all of them being drafted. Maybe

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01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 1: there's some more limited exemptions something of that nature. And

1568
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 1: funding being restored. So this isn't a done deal yet. However,

1569
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 1: as of today it is going into effect. They are

1570
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 1: taking action after this Supreme Court ruling. And you know,

1571
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 1: this is a massive, massive issue in Israeli domestic society,

1572
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 1: and it is one more thing that makes Netnahu's coalition,

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01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,719
Speaker 1: you know, tenuous. You add to that then the secular

1574
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 1: protests against him in the streets of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem,

1575
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: which are by all accounts, you know, these are some

1576
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 1: of the most massive protests that they've seen since the

1577
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: war began. And you can see the pressure that he

1578
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 1: is certainly under himself. And as we have said million

1579
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: times before, he thinks it's in his best interest to

1580
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 1: keep this war going as long as he possibly can,

1581
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: because it allows him to forestall any questions about a

1582
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: new government, saying listen, well, you know, we'll look into

1583
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 1: the failures in October sent but it's got to.

1584
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 4: Be after the war.

1585
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 1: Yes, So it's right, guess what, you want to keep

1586
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 1: the war going forever, and apparently the US is happy

1587
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 1: to back you in that endeavor. All right, let's get

1588
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 1: to some more shocking comments made on Joe Biden's favorite

1589
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 1: morning show, program, Morning Joe. This is the head of

1590
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 1: the ADL Jonathan Greenblatt, comparing the Kafias scarf worn by

1591
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: Palestinian activists Palestinians themselves, peoples stand in solidarity with Palestinians,

1592
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 1: comparing that to the swastika.

1593
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:55,759
Speaker 4: Take listen, you have got.

1594
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 11: To be concerned because these kids on these college campuses.

1595
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 11: Guess where they're going to your boardrooms. They're going to

1596
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 11: editorial boards, They're going to the assignment death of news

1597
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 11: networks people who stay death to the Zionists. I wish

1598
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 11: for that and worse. And if you wouldn't tolerate it

1599
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 11: if someone is wearing a swastika on their arm, I'm sorry,

1600
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 11: you shouldn't tolerate it. If they're wearing a caffeita, there

1601
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 11: are flowing death to anyone.

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01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 1: All right, CEO of the Antidefamation, Lady Jonathan Greenblat, God

1603
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: bless the poor internet connection there. But you know this

1604
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 1: is outrageous to compare a kafia to a swastika and

1605
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 1: smear all of the fifty of American Jews want to

1606
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 1: cease fire, Okay, to smear anybody who associates themselves with

1607
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: the Palestinian cause and basic palestin humanity as an antisemit,

1608
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: semite and on the level of a Nazi is so

1609
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: dis and that that can be aired on the most

1610
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 1: mainstream of news programs. And it's not just that he

1611
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: says that, it's that not a single person on that

1612
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 1: We were there seven people up on the screen there

1613
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 1: sitting there listening to these comments. Not one of them objects,

1614
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: not one. Now, imagine, let's put the shoe on the

1615
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 1: other foot. Let's say that you had someone on the

1616
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 1: panel who equated an Israeli flag to and displaying an

1617
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 1: Israeli flag to a swastika. Do you think they would

1618
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 1: just sit back quietly and let that slide and calmly

1619
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 1: end the segment. Of course not. It would be a

1620
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:47,719
Speaker 1: national news story. The entire panel would have completely melted

1621
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 1: down and freaked down.

1622
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 4: And we know this. Remember when Nina Turner was on.

1623
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 1: CNN on one of the primary election nights and she

1624
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 1: just tried to bring up the facts about what was

1625
01:20:57,680 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: being done and why so many people were motivated to

1626
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 1: come out out and vote uncommitted against JOBAI. They all

1627
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 1: freaked out, They melted down, Anderson Cooper wouldn't even allow

1628
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 1: her to finish her comments, yet here Kafia compared to

1629
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:10,839
Speaker 1: swastika silence.

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01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 2: Now, it is funny though, because at a certain point,

1631
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 2: if you're grasping for things now, at that level, it's like,

1632
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 2: what are we even doing here?

1633
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 3: You just look like a complete clown.

1634
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 2: What's also ironic, I would just say, is that if

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01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 2: you look into some of these so called swastika instances

1636
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 2: on college campuses, nine out of ten of them are

1637
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 2: complete bullshit just so people do and are either inside

1638
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 2: jobs for attention or not. I actually went to George

1639
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 2: Watching University, one of the original homes of the swastika hoax,

1640
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 2: So just gonna put that out there. That's first and foremost,

1641
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 2: but second in terms of comparing the Kafia the political statement,

1642
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 2: the point that you just made is an excellent one,

1643
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 2: but it gets to the ADL philosophy of you justify censorship.

1644
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 2: Here at the top, you build yourself as an organization,

1645
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:53,679
Speaker 2: and then in the moment of crisis for their true purpose,

1646
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 2: which is to serve the State of Israel, allegedly through

1647
01:21:56,320 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 2: combating anti Semitism, you narrow and use those levers to

1648
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 2: increasingly chip away at any public expression of support. It's

1649
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 2: fundamentally an anti American It is ridiculous and and it

1650
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 2: really is like hand in glove both with censorship complex

1651
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 2: to try and normalize this type of rhetoric in American media.

1652
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 2: And that's why I think it is so dangerous because

1653
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 2: it has power. It really does have power.

1654
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 4: It does, it does.

1655
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 1: And also this obsession with what college kids are saying

1656
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:23,480
Speaker 1: on campus.

1657
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 4: Well, okay, we.

1658
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 1: Have a member of Congress calling for Gosita be nuked,

1659
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: and that gets less attention than what's some kidd Columbia,

1660
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 1: you know, at Stanford University, where The Atlantic thought it

1661
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 1: appropriate to spend five months of journalistic resources digging into

1662
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 1: what those kids says.

1663
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 4: Powerless. Yeah, I wish, I wish we could have heard your.

1664
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 3: Your compuci did you guys bring that?

1665
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Peter and Susan Glasser and so he is

1666
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 1: a dual NEPO baby there.

1667
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 3: Former Jerusalem Correspondence. I would also say, yeah, so.

1668
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 1: The Atlantic and this dude, they find it so important.

1669
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that like the sentiments of college

1670
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 1: students don't matter at all.

1671
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 4: That's why we talk about how young.

1672
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 1: People view this conflict and how it's different from older Americans.

1673
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 1: But to spend five months digging into their every utterance

1674
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 1: and then allow things like, you know, this member of

1675
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 1: Congress who actually has power and influence, who is calling

1676
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 1: for Gaza being duked, and that's barely a blip on

1677
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 1: your radar screen. It's just insane. It's just pure insanity. Now,

1678
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: I think your rights are, like you can see from

1679
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 1: the polls, we are not really buying it. But the

1680
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,639
Speaker 1: other thing that's discussing about it so cheapens the term

1681
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,560
Speaker 1: anti semitism, it makes it utterly meaningless.

1682
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:34,919
Speaker 4: So when people hear.

1683
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 1: This, you know, lobbied against basically like half the population

1684
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: for their views on Israel Gaza. Then when it genuinely applies,

1685
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 1: and in many, in plenty of instances, there is genuine

1686
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 1: anti semitism. No one yere is denying that. That is

1687
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: a real and disgusting phenomenon. But when it genuinely applies,

1688
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 1: people are more likely to dismiss it as you're just

1689
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 1: you know, basically swaming this person. They last week, I'm

1690
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 1: sure you saw this special rapertorre Francesca Yeah Albany sorry

1691
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 1: segment Yeah, releases a report saying there are reasonable grounds

1692
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: to believe that Israel is committing genocide. The response from

1693
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 1: our own State Department is to smear her as an

1694
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 1: anti semi completely baselessly based on comments that she made

1695
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: that yes, we're critical of Israel, but are not even

1696
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: colorably antisemitic. You just strip the term of literally any meaning.

1697
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 1: And that's part of why I find this so disgusting.

1698
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 2: Well, the next one is a perfect example of that too,

1699
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,919
Speaker 2: Lindsey Graham saying it's a blood libel to criticize Israeli

1700
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 2: humanitarian policy in Gaza.

1701
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

1702
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 9: I'm here also to take on and I will talk

1703
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 9: about this tomorrow. A form of blood libel in twenty

1704
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 9: twenty four, that the state of Israel is using starvation

1705
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 9: as a weapon of war. That is bullshit, And owil

1706
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 9: tomorrow walk through the food that's coming into Gaza and

1707
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 9: what you're doing to make sure that people in Gaza

1708
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 9: do not starve.

1709
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 3: So Israel is guide's back against the wall. We have

1710
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 3: your back.

1711
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:12,839
Speaker 2: So that's another example of how the word blood libel

1712
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 2: is meaningless, or you know it was. It's a term

1713
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 2: that originates from the Middle Ages, where they said that

1714
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 2: Jews drink the blood of Christians. It is then resurrected

1715
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 2: and used by the Nazis in the Holocaust to continue

1716
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 2: to incur said blood libel against Jews, and I think

1717
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 2: all of us are able to intellectually understand the difference

1718
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 2: between what a genuine blood libel is and it's rhetoric

1719
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 2: and what it actually lies. Then in truth or at

1720
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 2: least in complete ability to criticize humanitarian actions, specifically taking

1721
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 2: place at the Israel border crossing, they are the ones

1722
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:53,759
Speaker 2: who are destroying and cheapening their own rhetoric. And frankly,

1723
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 2: I mean, didn't you I think you've said this, maybe

1724
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 2: Daryl Cooper said this too. If if everything is anti Semitic,

1725
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 2: you're actually setting the grounds for more anti Semitism.

1726
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not sure, you know, for me too.

1727
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 2: At this point, if someone's like, oh, that's so and

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01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 2: so's an anti Semi, I'm like, oh.

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01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, well he actually say right, I'm gonna.

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01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 2: Have to judge it for myself before I believe you,

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01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 2: Whereas previously I'd be like, oh really, wow, you know,

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01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 2: maybe I won't to look into it or won't be

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01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 2: as skeptical nowadays, you know, if you hear these types

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01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 2: of terms, any of them, Honestly, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Just like well maybe let me let me make up

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01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 3: my line for myself.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 1: Well, and just to prove the point, let's put this

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. This is from that you know,

1740
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:33,719
Speaker 1: blood libeling left wing rag the Washington Post, looking at

1741
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 1: exactly how much aid is going into Gaza in the

1742
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 1: massive deficit post October seventh, in what needs to go

1743
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:46,680
Speaker 1: in versus what is actually going in. And you can

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01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 1: see this huge and growing deficit.

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01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:53,520
Speaker 4: And let's be totally clear, Israel.

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01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 1: Controls this one hundred percent. There are trucks and trucks

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01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 1: and trucks lined up at the border, thousands of them

1748
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 1: ready to go in, including.

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Speaker 4: Some of our own aid trucks.

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01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 1: So apparently the allegation is we're trying to smuggle weapons

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01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 1: into Hamas through these truckloads. And we also know that

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01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 1: children have and infants in particular have literally starved to death.

1753
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 1: So again, their only defense to these things is to

1754
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 1: make it out of bounds to even speak the facts

1755
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 1: of what is happening here for fear of being branded

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01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:36,679
Speaker 1: and tarred as an anti semi. And also again another

1757
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 1: Darryl Cooper point is that the more you conflate all

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01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 1: Jewish people around the world with the state of Israel

1759
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 1: and the explicit policy right now of the net Nyahu government,

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01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 1: the more you are directly actually stoking anti Semitism. I

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01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:58,680
Speaker 1: reject the idea that you should conflate and demand that

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01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: every Jew around the world be attached to this horrifying policy,

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01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 1: And in fact, a majority of Jewish Americans here dissent

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01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 1: from that policy descent from the net Yahoo government. In fact,

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01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 1: it's actually white evangelical Christians that are the strongest supporter

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01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 1: of the net Yahoo government here in the US. So

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01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: I actually think it's really wrong to look at this

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01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 1: through the lens of religion and this holy war that

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01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 1: actually isn't the core of what this is about at all.

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01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 1: It's about the you know, original displacement of Palestinians. It's

1771
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 1: about a long and ongoing land dispute, and it's about

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01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 1: the demonstrable atrocities that we're all watching unfolding in front

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01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 1: of our eyes. And no, it is not anti semitic

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01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 1: to just speak to the facts of what.

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01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:43,759
Speaker 4: We all see.

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01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 1: But as I said, it's kind of like, you know,

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01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 1: at this point, I think they're desperate. All of the

1778
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 1: other talking points have kind of worn out, So the

1779
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 1: last ditch attempt is just to say like, well, you

1780
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 1: can't say that, even if it's happening, you can't say

1781
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 1: it because you'll, you know, it's anti Semitic. So that's

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01:28:57,960 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 1: kind of where we are. And I think you're right

1783
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 1: that people have really seen through this tactic and it

1784
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 1: just doesn't carry the weight that it wants to.

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01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:05,720
Speaker 3: Oh, I definitely am.

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01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:07,879
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said that at the swastika thing, Swaska,

1787
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 2: They're like, if they claim a Swaska shows up literally

1788
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 2: anywhere in America, I'm like, maybe, maybe show me a

1789
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 2: camera of an actual white nationalist spraying it, and then

1790
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,680
Speaker 2: I'll still be like, well, we'll see, just because I

1791
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 2: know that there's so much cultural cachet to be had

1792
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 2: by the ADL and others to try and blow up

1793
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 2: these incidents. In some cases people are faking them because

1794
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 2: they want to invite and create the conditions for exactly

1795
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 2: this type of discussion and rhetoric. But unfortunately for them,

1796
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 2: people can see through it, at least for now in

1797
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 2: the age of the Internet.

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01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 3: So there we go, guys, we have a great show

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Speaker 3: for everybody today.

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Speaker 2: Happy is today Easter or yesterday was Easter?

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01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 1: That non religious listen, you're not a cultural Christian like

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01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 1: Richard Dawkins apparently is.

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01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I wish to talk about that because

1804
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 2: he's being very unfairly smeared for that.

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01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 3: As as a long time Dawkins guy.

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01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 4: You think who should talk about it?

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01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 2: Well, no, I think they're coming out against him. They're

1808
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 2: claiming that he it's a hypocrite. It's something that he's

1809
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 2: been saying for actually quite a long time, which is

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01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 2: why it actually annoys me.

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01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 1: Well, my issue was more than like islamophobia in the

1812
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 1: comments versus.

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01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 3: We'll talk about it tomorrow.

1814
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll put it in the show because it sounds

1815
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 1: like maybe you have an interesting conversation there. Anyway, Saga

1816
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 1: apparently not a cultural Christian or not a cultural myself probably.

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01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:19,759
Speaker 1: I mean we celebrate Easter just with like the bunnies

1818
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 1: in the basket.

1819
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 3: But today is apparently today is Easter Monday. It is

1820
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 3: a holiday. I guess it's a holiday in Europe.

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01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 4: So anyway, we digress. See you tomorrow.