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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Devin, joined as usual by Joe and Steve, and
Speaker 1: today we're going to talk about a mystery. I know
Speaker 1: that's different from what we normally do. Yeah, well this
Speaker 1: good you know recipe we could talk about instead if
Speaker 1: you wanted cooking show. Yeah, we should be a travelogue.
Speaker 1: We should the neighborhoods of Portland. Yeah. Um, Today we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about mystery we're calling the Persian Princess.
Speaker 1: And before we get too far into what I do.
Speaker 1: Want to thank Hayden for the suggestion of this mystery
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about. I mean, it may seem
Speaker 1: kind of boring, this Persian princess thing, but I have
Speaker 1: a fun twist ending kind of and an attempt and
Speaker 1: a like a really really bad attempt at a quick
Speaker 1: overview of the case that you may have already read
Speaker 1: because it's also our episode description. Uh. In October two thousand,
Speaker 1: of video surfaced in which a man claimed to have
Speaker 1: the mummified remains of a Persian princess for sale. The
Speaker 1: investigation that followed revealed not only that the mummy might
Speaker 1: be a forgery, but also that there might be a
Speaker 1: murder in the mix, which is the fun twist ending
Speaker 1: there was a dead body in the middle of that. Mommy,
Speaker 1: wasn't there, Well there, Usually iscifically it works, it's usually
Speaker 1: how it works, though. Yeah, okay ready indeed okay. Uh So.
Speaker 1: On October nineteenth, two thousand, a Pakistani man named Ali
Speaker 1: Akbar made a video showcasing a mummy in a gilded
Speaker 1: sarcophagus that he said he was selling for six million rupees,
Speaker 1: which at the time was about eleven million dollars um,
Speaker 1: which is about sixteen million dollars now, which I know
Speaker 1: is a huge difference. That's a big jump in the
Speaker 1: seventeen short years. Yeah, and for folks who don't know
Speaker 1: sarcophagus is a fancy coffin, not everybody goes yeah, actually
Speaker 1: sometimes a sarcop guess it's see, it's like the exterior,
Speaker 1: the ex character the cofin put the coffin into. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the fancy thing. They put a fancy coffin. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: While this interested some people to be sure, other people
Speaker 1: thought maybe this was illegal and in violation of the
Speaker 1: antiquity laws. It's probably illegal amount how you cut it.
Speaker 1: It's either fraud which is illegal, or let's you know,
Speaker 1: valuable artifact which is also illegal. Yeah. Either way, the
Speaker 1: police decided that it was a good idea to go
Speaker 1: question ak Bar. When they did, he said he wasn't
Speaker 1: in actual physical possession. Instead, he was acting as like
Speaker 1: a go between, a middleman. When the police did actually
Speaker 1: go to question him, they he said that he wasn't
Speaker 1: actually in physical possession of the mummy and sarcophagus and
Speaker 1: coffin and all that stuff. Instead it was kept at
Speaker 1: the house of a tribal leader. Yeah, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: I want to do that on your own. I don't.
Speaker 1: I just want to keep going. Um. I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm really good at pronouncing something. Then I looked up
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, and then now I'm realizing I
Speaker 1: didn't look all of it up. So sorry everyone, But
Speaker 1: this this tribal leader lived kind of near the border
Speaker 1: of Afghanistan. So police police go to question Riki and
Speaker 1: he tells them the mommy was a gift. Of course
Speaker 1: it was, yeah, he said. The man he had gotten
Speaker 1: it from was an Iranian who said that he had
Speaker 1: found it after an earthquake in or near Quarta, Kta.
Speaker 1: Both Akbar and Riki were charged with violations of the
Speaker 1: antiquity rules and were sentenced to ten years in jail.
Speaker 1: And that's pretty much the end of their involvement in
Speaker 1: the story, kind of mostly mostly by name. At least
Speaker 1: a week later, the mummy was making waves and an
Speaker 1: archaeologist Ahma Hassan Danni of Islami's Bods Quite Isam University.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry from not not even language, sorry sorry sorry,
Speaker 1: um said that the mummy seemed to be a princess,
Speaker 1: probably from about six D B C E, which is
Speaker 1: BC for Christ for Common era if we're in use
Speaker 1: sciency terms. The mummy was wrapped in an ancient Egyptian
Speaker 1: style and rested in a gilded wooden coffin with cuneiform
Speaker 1: carvings inside of a stone sarcophagus. Cuniform, well maybe kind
Speaker 1: of Cuniform is one of the earliest systems of writing,
Speaker 1: for those of you who don't know. It was invented
Speaker 1: by the Sumerians, and they basically they made it with this.
Speaker 1: They had these little blunt wedge reads. They were basically
Speaker 1: like little triangles at the end split a read into
Speaker 1: quarters and then you would just push it in in
Speaker 1: a different sets of you know, shapes, um. But they
Speaker 1: were all this like weird little trianglie people people have
Speaker 1: probably people who don't know what this is has probably
Speaker 1: actually seen it in movies because it's it's always like
Speaker 1: two or three arrows at a time pointing in a
Speaker 1: direction and they kind of rotate around, like it'll be
Speaker 1: three in a row, three stacked on top of each other,
Speaker 1: and then you rotate. But people have seen it in
Speaker 1: a lot of Hollywood stuff, and what you're describing as
Speaker 1: an arrow I would describe as a triangle right arrowhead, Yeah,
Speaker 1: triangle kind it's difference, but people Hollywood use it to
Speaker 1: make it look things look old. Yeah, for a more
Speaker 1: body reference. If you remember the Predator movies, that's you know,
Speaker 1: like Predator, Predator versus Alien. Yeah, yeah, that's what the
Speaker 1: that's the kind of writing the Predator did, kind of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of writing. Um, well, cuniform, so the ancient aliens,
Speaker 1: well they probably gave it to us, dude. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: cuneiform itself actually just means wedge shape, so it is
Speaker 1: that kind of wedge triangle shaped anyway. Anyway, that was
Speaker 1: a little thing. The wooden coffin had a far of
Speaker 1: our carved in it, which kind of looks like a
Speaker 1: guy in the middle of a giant wingspan. It looks
Speaker 1: super objected, right, kind of if there's a guy standing
Speaker 1: in the middle of like just imagine a giant Egyptian wingspan,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm talking about, but instead of
Speaker 1: like a head of an animal or something, it's just
Speaker 1: a guy standing there, normal human, yeah, facing sideways. This
Speaker 1: was a symbol of Zoroastrianism, which is a pre Islamic
Speaker 1: Persian religion. You sometimes see it in Iran still, but
Speaker 1: it's not really religious anymore. It's been taken over by
Speaker 1: a secular meaning. It's kind of more of just a
Speaker 1: national symbol. Yeah, more of like amah. Yeah. As mentioned,
Speaker 1: there was a gold chest plate that was written in
Speaker 1: cuneiform um. She had a gold crown and mask on
Speaker 1: her face. The mummy there was also a chest like
Speaker 1: there was a weird leaf pattern almost that was also
Speaker 1: in gold that was on kind of her chest area
Speaker 1: as well, which you don't see referenced a lot, but
Speaker 1: you can see in the pictures Pricey little mommy. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The body was laid on a mat that was covered
Speaker 1: in honey and wax, which is kind of typical of mummies.
Speaker 1: The inscription was translated to say that she was the
Speaker 1: basically unknown daughter of kings zerk sees the first of
Speaker 1: persia U named Duguna, and she was a member of
Speaker 1: the Acameded dynasty. Actually, like basically verbatim, it read, I
Speaker 1: am the daughter of the great King zerk sees U.
Speaker 1: Mazerika protects me. I am Reduguna. I am so one
Speaker 1: thing I want to point out about this mommy, because
Speaker 1: people I immediately did not understand what she looked like.
Speaker 1: I had a preconceived notion based on stuff that I
Speaker 1: see on TV. It's not the dry wrapped mummy like
Speaker 1: she's encased in the resin, the resin, in the honey,
Speaker 1: in the wax, like she is fully inside of this stuff.
Speaker 1: It's not your typical dry mummy that stands up and
Speaker 1: walks around on Halloween kind of look, right, And that's
Speaker 1: really what mummies were like. And then once you get
Speaker 1: through that, then you do get to that drier kind
Speaker 1: of wrapping, although it's you know, soaked in resonant shell off,
Speaker 1: but essentially they're kind of like cast in resin or
Speaker 1: something right there, like a paper weight, yeah, kind of, yeah, actually,
Speaker 1: and then they push the and that's kind of how
Speaker 1: they keep the gold. I'm sorry, I'm trying to really
Speaker 1: her not to cover my face as I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the mask, but the gold crown in the mask is
Speaker 1: kind of you know, it's slay on top of her,
Speaker 1: and then there's resin poured on top of that, so
Speaker 1: it stays in place, sealed in. Yeah, it's all kind
Speaker 1: of sealed in, baked in maybe I think sealed. I
Speaker 1: think this kind of resin is not like aering resin.
Speaker 1: I think it's just kind of you know, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: never I've never dealt with it like honey, you know
Speaker 1: how honey just sticky. Oh, and that it kind of
Speaker 1: heartens after a while. Yeah, you know, there's probably some like,
Speaker 1: you know, some sort of new age funeral home here
Speaker 1: in town that actually does modifications, So we should probably
Speaker 1: call them. If there isn't. The millennials will make it happen.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, I like artisanal mommification or something
Speaker 1: like that. I'm sure there's gonna be a little place
Speaker 1: opening up very soon here in town. Yeah, that's an
Speaker 1: interesting pronuncia. That's a different way than Yeah, it sounds
Speaker 1: it sounds more artisanal. Yeah, I pulled the word up suddenly.
Speaker 1: It had no time to prepare myself for pronuncia fair enough. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I guess I can, because you've gotten everything
Speaker 1: else right so for me. Yeah. So okay, So this
Speaker 1: whole inscription thing kind of puzzled archaeologists. Actually, the whole
Speaker 1: thing puzzled archaeologists, And this is why this was such
Speaker 1: a big deal as well. So it's like puzzling in
Speaker 1: a huge deal because she was found in Persia. But
Speaker 1: as far as anybody knew was son of Darius, Persians,
Speaker 1: he was a Persian, he was Persian. Yeah, right, so
Speaker 1: the it's all Persian, this Persian that, um. But the reason, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess that's probably worth bringing up. The reason that
Speaker 1: this was so startling and so big was, as far
Speaker 1: as anybody knew at that time, mummification was really just
Speaker 1: only practiced by Egyptians. In Egypt. They thought maybe she
Speaker 1: was had married a Persian prince and she was Egyptian
Speaker 1: and that they had sent you know, honored her tradition
Speaker 1: or something well, or that when she was married off
Speaker 1: that they had sent you know, there was there was
Speaker 1: some knowledge of this sort of when an Egyptian, well
Speaker 1: that they would know that they would send also like
Speaker 1: you know, they would send the Egyptian scholars and they
Speaker 1: would send you know, jewelry and stuff like that. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: party they're in there for they would retain the knowledge, right,
Speaker 1: And so then there was well they wouldn't there were
Speaker 1: people who were who only did momification, but that they
Speaker 1: would have maybe sent a couple of them as as well,
Speaker 1: so that when she did die, she could be you know,
Speaker 1: buried in the proper way her body could be prepared
Speaker 1: for the afterlife in the appropriate way. Makes sense that
Speaker 1: she was a princess. The rest of us we get
Speaker 1: thrown into a hole that. Yeah, got a special team
Speaker 1: that's just like all on that one issue. Yeah, true,
Speaker 1: Princess one is down wrap stacked. Yeah, I mean really yeah,
Speaker 1: because I mean, like I said, it's not as though
Speaker 1: it just anybody knew how to mummify a body, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, well, we could probably figure it out the internet, right,
Speaker 1: But you know, in those times, particularly if she was Persian,
Speaker 1: meant either that she had come from Egypt and some
Speaker 1: people had come from Egypt to take care of her
Speaker 1: body when she died, or the Persians actually had a
Speaker 1: history of momification that nobody knew about before, and this
Speaker 1: was like a huge breakthrough an understanding. Yeah. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think as like a lot of these ancient
Speaker 1: ancient Persian reality, I don't think they found their tombs,
Speaker 1: have they. I don't think so. Yeah, I think they're
Speaker 1: all that. So you know, it could be that they
Speaker 1: were all busy mommifying themselves and then we just don't know,
Speaker 1: We just don't know. We haven't found them yet Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was a big deal. And actually that of
Speaker 1: course means that, um, a couple other people said no, actually,
Speaker 1: you know what, I think we own the rights to
Speaker 1: that mummy, uh, the Persian princess. Yeah, yeah, exactly, yes,
Speaker 1: So where it was, you know, that particular patch of
Speaker 1: real estate is close to Iran, Afghanistan and in Pakistan,
Speaker 1: so it's like, well, you know, probably that piece of
Speaker 1: real estate has been part of those all three of
Speaker 1: those countries at some point. Yeah, so Iran, Pakistan, and
Speaker 1: actually the Taliban. Yeah, they all made claims that they
Speaker 1: were actually the rightful owners of this mummy. Eventually Pakistan
Speaker 1: one out and they placed the Persian Princess as Princess
Speaker 1: Juguna in the National Museum of Pakistan on display as
Speaker 1: a cultural heritage thing. Whoops. There, I'm kind of curious
Speaker 1: about what the Taliban wanted to do with the mommy,
Speaker 1: because remember they're not they're not there, they're not too
Speaker 1: keen on. But we'll talk about that later, you think, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it later. Yeah. Sorry. Anyway, so you
Speaker 1: may have heard us go whoops, um, why why whoops? Well,
Speaker 1: so it turns out during this whole hullabaloo. An American
Speaker 1: archaeologist named Oscar White Muscarella, who is an expert in
Speaker 1: Persian antiquities, came forward. He said that he had actually
Speaker 1: also been approached about a year prior by a different
Speaker 1: middleman in two thousand, right, so right as the discovery
Speaker 1: of this thing was kind of being made public. I
Speaker 1: think the guy sent him, like some polaroids he sent, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he sent some polaroids, and he said he immediately had
Speaker 1: some doubts about the mummies authenticity, mostly tied up to
Speaker 1: where the money was found, and also the translation of
Speaker 1: the breastplate. He said that, um, it seemed kind of familiar,
Speaker 1: and it was taken like almost word for word. Maybe
Speaker 1: there's this like this is where the reporting gets a
Speaker 1: little weird, because I've seen this statement where he says
Speaker 1: it was taken word from word from this other thing,
Speaker 1: and then I've seen other statements that say, actually it
Speaker 1: was made by Pete somebody who was totally illiterate in
Speaker 1: the Persian language, and it's like riddled with mistakes. So
Speaker 1: I'm not really totally sure, but there was something really
Speaker 1: off about the chest plate. It might have been taken
Speaker 1: from this pretty famous inscription called the Bastian inscription, which
Speaker 1: is probably not how you pronounce that word, which is
Speaker 1: a multi lingual inscription that can can serve as kind
Speaker 1: of a Rosetta stone, but for cuneiform instead of hieroglyphics.
Speaker 1: It's three different languages all in Cuneiform. It's Old Persian, Emilet,
Speaker 1: and Babylonian. The original carving of that inscription is pretty big.
Speaker 1: It's like fifty ft high by eighty two ft wide,
Speaker 1: which is fifteen meters and respectively. And it was like
Speaker 1: a hundred or three hundred and twenty feet off the ground,
Speaker 1: which is a hundreds meant to be read from far
Speaker 1: away apparently. Yeah, well it's big. It's like it's a billboard.
Speaker 1: It's like first billboard. It is like the Hollywood sign.
Speaker 1: It is. Yeah, absolutely is. And actually what the story
Speaker 1: is is that it was it was carved during the
Speaker 1: reign of Darius, who deserved seed One's father, so would
Speaker 1: have I guess been the grandfather of Um Reduguna the Persian. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's a World Heritage site. Yeah, so it's a World
Speaker 1: Heritage site, et cetera. Um. Anyway, the American archaeologists said
Speaker 1: that he didn't think the mummy was more than a
Speaker 1: hundred years old and it was probably like modern. So
Speaker 1: the dealer, being kind of a smart alec, was like, okay, sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll send you part of the often, just like a
Speaker 1: little sliver of the wood from the coffin, and then
Speaker 1: you can carbon date that and that will prove that
Speaker 1: this is authentic, and then um, and I can face
Speaker 1: sucker well or you know, then you'll obviously be interested
Speaker 1: in buying it because it's this like huge antiquity, even
Speaker 1: though again it's kind of like it's super illegal and
Speaker 1: you would think an archaeologist would know that, but whatever,
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to be like carving a chunk out
Speaker 1: the coffin. Yeah. So um, he did send a small
Speaker 1: piece of the coffin and it did get carbon dated.
Speaker 1: The carbon dating came back on the coffin and that
Speaker 1: was about two and fifty years old in reality. The
Speaker 1: dealer's representative counter argued that that could hardly be considered modern.
Speaker 1: So so he should still be interested in buying this antiquity, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: um so. Muscarella, who by now was almost certain that
Speaker 1: this whole mummy thing was a total forgery, alerted the
Speaker 1: FBI and clearly they did not take any action on that,
Speaker 1: and they don't care. Yeah, and I mean I will say,
Speaker 1: you know again, as we know, carbon dating really only
Speaker 1: says that's when the tree was cut down. So for
Speaker 1: all you know, the coffin could have been made made
Speaker 1: more recently than they could have been like you know,
Speaker 1: salvage would maybe they know, somebody tore a barn down.
Speaker 1: It's it's totally possible. Yeah, even later. Um Ahmed Donnie,
Speaker 1: who was the director of the Institute of Asian Civilizations
Speaker 1: in Islama's Islamabad at the time, I inspected the mummy
Speaker 1: because he was also kind of suspicious of his mummy. Again.
Speaker 1: You know, I think a lot of people were like,
Speaker 1: this is really cool discovery. We're learning new things about
Speaker 1: ancient civilizations. But at the same time, a lot of
Speaker 1: people were super suspicious of it because people fake stuff
Speaker 1: all the time. It turns out actually that this was
Speaker 1: a big thing. Was faking mummy. Oh yeah, big sport
Speaker 1: back hundred years ago. Yeah, which is kind of sad.
Speaker 1: You know, I must be disappointing to come across this.
Speaker 1: I mean there's so many initial initial excitement and then bam,
Speaker 1: you know, all gets taken away. Yeah, but so when
Speaker 1: the mummy itself was examined, it seemed like the body
Speaker 1: was much younger than even the coffin surrounding it. He
Speaker 1: noticed that the matt below the body, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like it's like up the walls of the coffin and
Speaker 1: then below the body. Um, it's kind of like a
Speaker 1: protective thing. Was really seems to only be about five
Speaker 1: years old still at a Walmart tag. Yeah exactly, um Ke,
Speaker 1: alerted Awesoma Ibraheim, who was the curator at that National
Speaker 1: Museum in Pakistan where the mummy was being displayed. Ibraheim
Speaker 1: took a closer look at the mummy on display and
Speaker 1: did find that the inscription was maybe not an exact
Speaker 1: copy that we had thought before. Like I said, this
Speaker 1: is where they realized there were a ton of grammatical
Speaker 1: errors in the cuneiform inscription. Yeah, so, like I said,
Speaker 1: I had like a bunch of grammatic errors. It's somebody
Speaker 1: looked at a picture of it and thought, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can do that, probably from a movie. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: Another another funny thing about it is and they took
Speaker 1: a close look at at the carvings that were in
Speaker 1: the coffin. They noticed that somebody had had actually made
Speaker 1: guide marks with a lead pencil, yeah, prior to the carving,
Speaker 1: and they forgot to erase them or whatever remove them
Speaker 1: after it was all done. Yeah. So um, anyway, that's
Speaker 1: it seems like maybe that was not maybe it's not real. Um.
Speaker 1: And the final kind of nail in the proverbial coffin
Speaker 1: was that it actually turned out that the name that
Speaker 1: was being used was a wrong version of the name
Speaker 1: um Dugana. It turns out, is actually the Greek form
Speaker 1: of the Persian name. It's a slightly different spelling, which
Speaker 1: the pronunciation is the same. So I'm not going to
Speaker 1: try to relay. But Reduguna is spelled r h oh,
Speaker 1: and then the actual Persian version of it is spelled
Speaker 1: w a R. So obviously that's not right. Somebody really
Speaker 1: didn't do his research here. Yeah. Ibraheim spent some time
Speaker 1: investigating the body, including having an X ray and CT
Speaker 1: scanned in April of two thousand one and stated that
Speaker 1: actually it was not a mummy at all. Done done,
Speaker 1: done well. I mean it's in a sense it was
Speaker 1: a mommy, it just wasn't I guess, you know, a
Speaker 1: dead body was wrapped up in a mummy is sort
Speaker 1: of way. So I guess it was kind of a
Speaker 1: mommy kind of Yeah, just an ancient No, not really
Speaker 1: that old at all. Yeah, So we're going to do
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Speaker 1: this snoop, ain't lion Cliffhanger over theories ready, Alright, theory
Speaker 1: number one, it's real. She really was a Persian princess, Yeah,
Speaker 1: daughter of Xerxes. This was real, the mommy. Yeah, although
Speaker 1: that kind of if she wasn't indeed the daughter of Xerxes,
Speaker 1: and that kind of that kind of dashes the whole
Speaker 1: she was an Egyptian princess who married a Persian prince. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, kind of dashes that whole thing. It does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but again I know, maybe maybe the ancient purchase did
Speaker 1: do them up momification. Yeah, and that would explain some
Speaker 1: stuff we're going to talk about in a little bit.
Speaker 1: But overall, yeah, overall, this is not really a theory
Speaker 1: at all. Yeah. Not, well, it is just not a
Speaker 1: good one. Yeah. So the next theory, the next theory
Speaker 1: is when we're gonna do a bunch of sub theories
Speaker 1: on and that is that that it was a woman
Speaker 1: who was murdered, but not a princess. So basically, how
Speaker 1: was the body acquired revolving around? Yeah, pretty much, I
Speaker 1: mean I guess this, I guess really what this like
Speaker 1: overarching theory should be is that it was a fraud
Speaker 1: mummy and that the body that was in there was
Speaker 1: the body of a murder victim of some kind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just how exactly did it happen? Yeah, so you might
Speaker 1: have noticed that I was holding back some information. We
Speaker 1: did a little cliffhangers just a couple of minutes ago,
Speaker 1: probably less than a couple of minutes ago, after editing.
Speaker 1: But that's okay, let's just talk about the CT scans.
Speaker 1: We talked about that a minute. A minute ago. We
Speaker 1: said that Ibrahim had a X rays and seas tea
Speaker 1: scans done of the body of the mummy. So they
Speaker 1: found some stuff. Surprised It turns out that the mummy,
Speaker 1: the body was actually the body of a woman who
Speaker 1: had probably died in Yeah. They were able to carbonate
Speaker 1: the teeth or something like that. Yeah, not so ancient
Speaker 1: after all. It turns out she had been really small,
Speaker 1: about four seven four seven inches, which I didn't bother
Speaker 1: to translate into meters or whatever it is that you
Speaker 1: guys use so they can look it up. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: but but but that is very small, but probably for
Speaker 1: ancient times, probably not remarkable for ancient times. No, but
Speaker 1: it's pretty small. They also decided that they were able
Speaker 1: to see that the body was of a woman who
Speaker 1: was no older than twenty one. But they do refer
Speaker 1: to her as a woman. I've never seen it referred
Speaker 1: to as a girl or a teen or even a
Speaker 1: young woman. Um, but she was a young woman, so
Speaker 1: I'm going to make the presumption that she was older
Speaker 1: than eighteen UM. But so she was a young young
Speaker 1: woman who was very small. Her skin and hair had
Speaker 1: been bleached, and they had been treated with things like
Speaker 1: bicarbonate of soda and sodium chloride, which are both drying
Speaker 1: agents and worth noting their modern drying agents they back
Speaker 1: in the day. They stuffed her body full of that
Speaker 1: stuff to suck all of the moisture out. They did. Actually,
Speaker 1: the autopsy found that she had died from blunt force
Speaker 1: trauma of the spine, but it was really hard to
Speaker 1: tell if it was intentional or accidental. They likened it
Speaker 1: to kind of what it would look like if you'd
Speaker 1: been hit by a car and died um from a
Speaker 1: spinal injury. So I guess by definition she was murdered
Speaker 1: technically run over by a car or something like that.
Speaker 1: Lots of murder. I mean, getting run over by a
Speaker 1: car intentional or not is still technically murder. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: if you do the right thing and call the police
Speaker 1: and follow an accident report, I guess it's an accident.
Speaker 1: But if you just grabbed the body and mommify it,
Speaker 1: maybe that's kind of more murdering. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: would say, like even an accidental murder is a murder
Speaker 1: of a kind, right, Yeah, sort of, that's technically a murder,
Speaker 1: it's just a really accidental kind of I mean, you know.
Speaker 1: The other option here is that she might have like
Speaker 1: fallen just right on a fence or something like that,
Speaker 1: but that seems really unlikely to me. So first sub
Speaker 1: theory is that she could have been murdered for her organs.
Speaker 1: That's a thing that happens sometimes, not not frequently, I
Speaker 1: don't think, but sometimes you listen to the internet, it
Speaker 1: happens all the time, constantly in bathtubs filled with ice. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: with a weird side pain. Uh. Did I forget to
Speaker 1: mention that all of her organs were missing, by the way,
Speaker 1: because they were all of them. I didn't forget. I
Speaker 1: intentionally didn't. I did here, right, Sorry, it was being coy.
Speaker 1: It's fine. This could have been the case of somebody
Speaker 1: killing her for her organs, you know, a blunt forced
Speaker 1: trauma to the spine, could have been intentional or not. Again,
Speaker 1: but they could have thought, oh, let's take all of
Speaker 1: her organs, because even her heart was missing, and this
Speaker 1: was a this was a mistake maybe on the part
Speaker 1: of the people who were doing it, or was or
Speaker 1: it was all of her organs were being taken to
Speaker 1: be sold on the black market. Body for mama Mama, yeah,
Speaker 1: because well yeah, Gyptians left the heart in. But one
Speaker 1: thing that people kind of thought was that it's possible
Speaker 1: that her body had been grave robbed and that's how
Speaker 1: somebody came about her body versus, you know, murdered for
Speaker 1: necessarily the forgery or anything like that. So it's possible
Speaker 1: she was murdered for her organs. They were all removed
Speaker 1: and then she was buried, and then later she had
Speaker 1: the additional misfortune of being dug up and made into
Speaker 1: a mummy or and I don't know how much this happens.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can be an Oregon downer over here
Speaker 1: in America. I assume they have similar things in other countries,
Speaker 1: and so maybe she had died of some some cause
Speaker 1: or another in her organs were harvested for, you know,
Speaker 1: to be given to other people, and then they sent
Speaker 1: her off to the morgue where she was more robbed
Speaker 1: instead of grave robbed. I mean, her body could have
Speaker 1: been nabbed all kinds of places. True, It's it's certainly
Speaker 1: possible that that could have happened. I don't think they
Speaker 1: usually take all the organs, like they wouldn't take her intestines,
Speaker 1: for instance, right, Like that would be that would have
Speaker 1: been a thing they would have left in there, because
Speaker 1: like I don't think, I don't think, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't have never heard of an intestinal transplant that I
Speaker 1: haven't either. Seemed like that would be kind of seems
Speaker 1: like maybe not a right How do you get them
Speaker 1: packed in there just right? I'm sure there are some
Speaker 1: doctors you know. Well. The weird thing about taking the
Speaker 1: organs for harvest or not, as well as the whole
Speaker 1: packing or full of drying agents, you have to do
Speaker 1: that stuff almost immediately. I mean, if they are really
Speaker 1: taking the organs to sell, then they definitely would have
Speaker 1: had to kill this person to take them right away.
Speaker 1: While the brand new fresh in the package, still working.
Speaker 1: You gotta if you don't kill them, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: at least Johnny on the spot exactly. And the same
Speaker 1: thing with the with the drying agents. In order to
Speaker 1: get the drying agents in there and get the body
Speaker 1: to actually start, you know, losing all that moisture before
Speaker 1: it starts to decay and rot and every other things
Speaker 1: to set in that speed that process along, you also
Speaker 1: have to be there like immediately. There's not there's a
Speaker 1: very small window for that stuff to happen. So, and
Speaker 1: I'm not clear on the type of spine injury she
Speaker 1: had that killed her, it is I guess it is possible,
Speaker 1: just totally speculating here, that she could have had one
Speaker 1: of those like brain dead spine injuries and that's why
Speaker 1: she And so that would mean that somebody could have
Speaker 1: harvested all of her organs if she was in a hospital,
Speaker 1: if she well, if she were in a hospital, or
Speaker 1: if your brain did your body No, I I know
Speaker 1: your body isn't functioning. I understand the brain runs the body.
Speaker 1: I'm not a total but no, but that you know,
Speaker 1: if they had hit her just right and they realized,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, it doesn't really matter. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you were in the hospital or some other thing. I
Speaker 1: don't really know how the organ harvesting black market works
Speaker 1: so relatively efficiently according to the Internet, you got a
Speaker 1: one or two. Though, it looks to me like she
Speaker 1: probably from the injuries I've heard described, and I've heard
Speaker 1: variations from broken pelvis to broken neck all the way
Speaker 1: up the whole game, it sounds something like she probably
Speaker 1: was in something like a car wreck. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: she was probably hit by a car, like a pedestrian
Speaker 1: hit by probably from behind, looks like, so you do
Speaker 1: have to wonder how many of her organs were actually
Speaker 1: good enough shape after something like that. And that's why
Speaker 1: I yeah, and that's why I bring this one up first, because,
Speaker 1: as you guys know, I like to go like dumbest
Speaker 1: to best. So I would say, this is a low
Speaker 1: probability that she was killed for her organs, but it's
Speaker 1: still probably a possibility. I guess that's a theory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we kind of went on the grave robbing thing again.
Speaker 1: But yeah, sorry, let's let's hop to the next area.
Speaker 1: In the next area that that she, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: got hit by a car totally accidentally died was buried
Speaker 1: and then at a later date was grave robbed and
Speaker 1: they took all of her organs out for the forgery.
Speaker 1: The problem with this, of course, is, um, we just said, yeah,
Speaker 1: basically all the things we just said, you know, the
Speaker 1: drying agents would have had to have been applied like
Speaker 1: way earlier than you know, she would have showed more
Speaker 1: signs of decomposition things like that. Um, this was the
Speaker 1: most prevalent theory from the investigators. They thought that basically
Speaker 1: the reason that this is like their ideal theory is
Speaker 1: because we'll talk about at the end here the really
Speaker 1: really sad part of this whole story. But the investigators
Speaker 1: once once they found out that it wasn't a real mummy,
Speaker 1: just kind of didn't care anymore. So this theory, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it wasn't obviously as high profile, but it's a'm sture.
Speaker 1: They still looked into it as a murder mystery, but
Speaker 1: probably not tis not really that much. It sounds like,
Speaker 1: so this was an ideal theory for them, right, because
Speaker 1: it meant they didn't have to really deal with a murder, right,
Speaker 1: they didn't really have to find a Jane Doe murder
Speaker 1: that had been killed for this, like huge foragery. They
Speaker 1: could just say, listen, we got the people who were
Speaker 1: who had you know, done this, and they're in jail
Speaker 1: for ten years because of the antiquities laws, and that's
Speaker 1: probably good enough. And they just robbed a grave and
Speaker 1: you know, they did the forgery and that's awful, but
Speaker 1: they didn't really kill anyone. They weren't really hurting anyone.
Speaker 1: They didn't really get away with it. So they're spending
Speaker 1: time in jail and everything's fine. So this is obviously
Speaker 1: an ideal theory for them because they didn't really have
Speaker 1: to do anything. But you know, obviously they could have
Speaker 1: done something, because that's that's where the trail leads back,
Speaker 1: is to who actually killed this person. Is these people
Speaker 1: got got the body from somebody somebody and obviously the
Speaker 1: police that they probably bribed the police to just say dude,
Speaker 1: you know, don't make us, don't make us rad our
Speaker 1: friends up, we'll get killed or something like that, you know.
Speaker 1: But but obviously they could have tracked it back that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we one would think they could have, but it seems
Speaker 1: like they didn't really care. Yeah. Well, and I wonder
Speaker 1: I wonder that the level of difficulty to track it
Speaker 1: back because based on how gosh I forgot the name
Speaker 1: of the guy, the American who first saw and figured
Speaker 1: out it was a forgery, Oscar. Yeah, there was. There
Speaker 1: was at least six months, if not almost a year
Speaker 1: between when he saw the tape and when the next
Speaker 1: people got ahold of it. So that means this body,
Speaker 1: this was I think the same it was the same seller,
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about the time frame between when he
Speaker 1: saw the film and whoever report you know got them
Speaker 1: in trouble saw the film. Yeah, so this body has
Speaker 1: been floating around, this mummy has been floating around in
Speaker 1: their possession for a while. So that makes the trail
Speaker 1: even colder, because you know, there's more and more time.
Speaker 1: People are coming and go, and I can I'm not
Speaker 1: defending them, but I can see all that would make
Speaker 1: it so much harder when it's not brand new fresh
Speaker 1: blood on the ground. Yeah, I'm just I'm just presuming
Speaker 1: that fakes like this, especially ones that are considered to
Speaker 1: be like high level fakes, not just a regular mommy,
Speaker 1: but a princess. You know, somebody, somebody invested some time
Speaker 1: and then found themselves a buyer and it was so
Speaker 1: this thing actually might have originally been and that might
Speaker 1: be part of the reason it was so crudely done,
Speaker 1: like with the translations and stuff like that. It might
Speaker 1: have just been meant to be sold to some rich
Speaker 1: dude as a memento, like you know, as you know,
Speaker 1: it could have been the tribal guy, and it could
Speaker 1: have been never intended to actually fool anybody at the
Speaker 1: level of a museum of antiquities level, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And so that guy had it and then
Speaker 1: either decided he needed to cash more or whatever, so
Speaker 1: he sold it. And so I don't think anybody like
Speaker 1: bought somebody like in a in a bazaar or something
Speaker 1: like that where they didn't know who it was even
Speaker 1: with time going by. It's actually a really good segue
Speaker 1: into our next theory. So let's do that, and then
Speaker 1: I know, you guys have a lot you want to
Speaker 1: talk about with this theory, which is why I saved
Speaker 1: it for last, and it's the most likely one. I think.
Speaker 1: It could be that somebody killed her for the forgery. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, she literally fit the bill, she I mean, yeah, actually, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: you know, she was small and people from that time
Speaker 1: we're small, and you know, it could be that she was,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe somebody who was experiencing homelessness, maybe somebody
Speaker 1: who was a sex worker, maybe somebody who they just
Speaker 1: knew what some you know, somebody that they knew, you know, sadly,
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be missed. And also you gotta find somebody
Speaker 1: who hasn't had any dental work done. You can't have
Speaker 1: any model of modern dental work things like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think they probably just found the right you know,
Speaker 1: in my mind, the way this goes as somebody found
Speaker 1: the confidence sarcophagus, which was a forgery in and of itself, right,
Speaker 1: but somebody found this older forgery and was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we could we could fill that. Oh yeah, you know what. Actually,
Speaker 1: you know that one lady that we see all the
Speaker 1: time who's super short, she would fit the bill. We
Speaker 1: could do this. We and then they just hit her
Speaker 1: with a car, kills her. And then they or something
Speaker 1: or you know something, they hit her with something killer,
Speaker 1: you know, find they remove all her organs, wrongly, remove
Speaker 1: all her organs because again Egyptian mummies not traditionally dry
Speaker 1: her out, make a new map for the coffin, deal
Speaker 1: with the resident, put the gold on her face and
Speaker 1: you know put the chest plate. I mean, it's not insane.
Speaker 1: I mean it is insane, right, it's that's that is insane.
Speaker 1: But it's not a crazy theory, No, not at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, actually, mummy forgeries are really common. And back
Speaker 1: like two years ago and the early nineteenth century, there
Speaker 1: was this thing called mummy mania. Have you heard of?
Speaker 1: Mummy Mania overtook Europe after after after Egypt. Egypt was
Speaker 1: opened up and suddenly lots of Europeans were traveling to Egypt,
Speaker 1: and all these rich Europeans were buying mummies to bring
Speaker 1: home and put it on display at the family of state,
Speaker 1: show off to their friends and stuff. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: just about all of them were forgeries. Well this is
Speaker 1: and this is why antiquities laws exist now too. I mean,
Speaker 1: should you be buying an authentic one to take home? No,
Speaker 1: I mean the black market for antiquities, whether they're forged
Speaker 1: or not. The black market is worth so much to
Speaker 1: the tune of billions of dollars a year, which you
Speaker 1: can understand why that would be so enticing to a
Speaker 1: couple of Yahoo's who finds something and realized that they
Speaker 1: could spin it from a low level thing to a
Speaker 1: higher low value to a higher value object. Sixteen million
Speaker 1: dollars is a lot of money. I'm talking about when
Speaker 1: they found just a coffin and oh hey, if we
Speaker 1: can stuff a body in that thing, now it's worth
Speaker 1: even more. But I agree with Joe that I think
Speaker 1: that they you really have to have some seriously big
Speaker 1: cojones and skill to think that you can fool somebody
Speaker 1: in a museum. Well, what I think kind of mostly man,
Speaker 1: I sort of tested. I think what kind of happened
Speaker 1: is somebody just meant it to fool some rich dude.
Speaker 1: It didn't really know anything, yeah, and it was plenty
Speaker 1: authentic enough looking for that, and then this rich dude,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, decided, hey, this is this is such
Speaker 1: a perfect copy. I could probably fool somebody else and
Speaker 1: make myself like ten million bucks or or said rich
Speaker 1: dude you know, thinks it's actually, you know, actually real
Speaker 1: worth a lot of money and finds himself well and
Speaker 1: finds himself like, you know what, Actually I really want
Speaker 1: to boat? Yeah, i'd want that panther yacht. What do
Speaker 1: I have that I could sell that I don't really
Speaker 1: care about? Oh yeah, I have that money in the basement.
Speaker 1: I'll sell that. Yeah, I'd get kind of tired of
Speaker 1: that anyway. It's hard to keep it clean. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: been just collecting that a scratching post. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I almost also wonder if what happened is they found
Speaker 1: the coffin the sarcophagus that they could I don't as
Speaker 1: far as I know, they never dated the chest plate
Speaker 1: and all the other goal the couchmans. It's possible, in
Speaker 1: my mind they found a really old forgery that had
Speaker 1: not the mummy itself had not withstood the test of time, right,
Speaker 1: and so they find all this stuff and for all
Speaker 1: they know, it's authentic, except for the mummy looks bad.
Speaker 1: They don't know. They're not the dummies who did like
Speaker 1: a weird your dumb translation on the chest. They don't
Speaker 1: know anything. Yeah, right, I mean, they don't know anything.
Speaker 1: They're just like, we just need a body to fill this,
Speaker 1: and then we've got ourselves an authentic mummy in a
Speaker 1: coffin in a sarcophagus that we can solve her a
Speaker 1: ton of money. They might not even they might have, honestly,
Speaker 1: honest to God, thought that everything else about it was authentic,
Speaker 1: except because that's I mean the coffin comes from that
Speaker 1: time when Mummy Fever was happening. Yeah, when all these
Speaker 1: fortunes were going around. Yeah, and which would explained why
Speaker 1: the guy sent over the sliver of the coffin, like,
Speaker 1: go ahead and Carmen this. I mean, he could really
Speaker 1: could have just thought they could have been so dumb.
Speaker 1: I mean, frankly, if I found something like that, I
Speaker 1: would think it was real, Like, I don't know any better.
Speaker 1: I think this guy. It might be that the guy
Speaker 1: that actually owned it and picked himself a really stupid
Speaker 1: agent to marketing, probably intended for him to go find
Speaker 1: himself a private collector to pay big money for this,
Speaker 1: and as Bozo starts showing it a out to actually
Speaker 1: well connected people who and it actually got publicized and
Speaker 1: gave to the attention to the authorities and stuff, and
Speaker 1: so he probably just googled like Persian antique collectors, and
Speaker 1: like a bunch of educated people came up and he
Speaker 1: was like, cool, these are the collectors I'll reach out
Speaker 1: to that I just did a Google. Yeah, it could
Speaker 1: be alright. I guess at that point it was probably
Speaker 1: like an ask Jeeves or something, because that's a good point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I find it really funny that the Taliban in the beginning,
Speaker 1: we're trying to flex their muscle to say that they
Speaker 1: owned it because they were they Well what I find
Speaker 1: so ironic about that is you know that they're pretending
Speaker 1: that they're trying to protect a national treasure, but no,
Speaker 1: the biggest bandits they are. They've been selling off so
Speaker 1: much history for so long in that part of the world,
Speaker 1: and to fund their operations and also destroying it. You know,
Speaker 1: they had they sort of hued this idea that nothing
Speaker 1: predates are wonderful Islamic Republicans, so like you know, like
Speaker 1: remember those those giant, those giant ancient Buddhas up in
Speaker 1: the middle that they destroyed. Yeah, yeah, Well big part
Speaker 1: of this is if you have been paying attention, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: there's a gold crown, there's a gold mask, there's a
Speaker 1: gold chest plate, there's another gold weird chess plate thing
Speaker 1: that's there's money there, there's a lot of money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people who did the forgeries were domin enough to just
Speaker 1: do something that was plated. I assume that you solid gold,
Speaker 1: I was what do you think about it? Is it
Speaker 1: kind of an investment? It is, But if you're going
Speaker 1: to sell it for you know, sixty what is now
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars, it's still still worthwhile. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: really I do kind of think it was. You know,
Speaker 1: they didn't actually do any of the forgery except for
Speaker 1: the body in my mind. You know, it's it's hard
Speaker 1: to say. I just I just know how much of
Speaker 1: that that part of the world is being dug up
Speaker 1: constantly and sold off. Have you reading those articles about
Speaker 1: how they're using satellite technology and their their time standing,
Speaker 1: the overlaying images from different times to then be able
Speaker 1: to tell where and when people are digging stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're doing it illegally, yeah, constantly, but like entire grave
Speaker 1: ancient graveyards are being looted from the sky. They're like,
Speaker 1: oh look it's it looks like the side of a
Speaker 1: golf ball. You just just pock marksist divin did. Did
Speaker 1: just guys out there just this so sad, you know,
Speaker 1: But yeah, there there was there was some really fun
Speaker 1: If you guys want to hear stories of other fake
Speaker 1: fun mummy stories, Yeah, Like the most recent one was
Speaker 1: fifty in the Vatican finally decided to check on do
Speaker 1: a little research on their comummies, and they had two
Speaker 1: of them that were basically child sized. One that turned
Speaker 1: out to be complete fakes, and they've had them for
Speaker 1: a long time, Like how complete faikes? Like just newer
Speaker 1: they had no human body, had animal bones. Well. There
Speaker 1: was just another famous case was in New Jersey. This
Speaker 1: this is like in the on display at like the
Speaker 1: Hack and Sack Library that have been donated like in
Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties or something into the city and it
Speaker 1: had been on display and then suddenly and after about
Speaker 1: three decades, it was discovered that it was all just rags.
Speaker 1: I mean it was just like you know, my mommy,
Speaker 1: just rags, all shaped to look like a human body,
Speaker 1: all wrapped in Yeah, like like when you were a
Speaker 1: kid and you make the pillows under your blankets, so
Speaker 1: that looked like the shape of you sleeping kind of yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And there was another famous one that was like a
Speaker 1: huge attraction in Mississippi was like I'm displayed at the
Speaker 1: Mississippi State Capital from like the nineteen twenties to nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty nine. I think when they finally took a closer
Speaker 1: look at it and then did some X rays and
Speaker 1: discovered that what they thought was a body inside it
Speaker 1: was just like paper mache and a wooden frame held
Speaker 1: together with nails. Rapp, I have a new venture for yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do from now on. Uh So,
Speaker 1: just one final thing before we end this story. Uh
Speaker 1: and it's just really sad to me. It's it's worth
Speaker 1: noting that, um, a few people in the agency's investing
Speaker 1: the whole discovery of the mummy got these really big
Speaker 1: promotions based on the discovery and returned to the rifle owners.
Speaker 1: These are all air quotes. I'm doing whild Air quoting
Speaker 1: in here. But once it was exposed as a murder
Speaker 1: and forgery, they kept their promotions and also weren't really
Speaker 1: asked to investigate the origins of the murdered woman. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, basically, people really only cared about this case
Speaker 1: when it was a fancy princess mummy. And on one hand,
Speaker 1: I understand, But on the other hand, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like there was a Jane Doe murder out there, Like
Speaker 1: some woman was murdered. It's kind of like Princess who
Speaker 1: died in a car wreck. Other other women of similar
Speaker 1: age and worthiness get killed in car wrecks all the time.
Speaker 1: Does anybody know or care no, no, yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: really sad to me. Um. But since the coffin and
Speaker 1: mummy were removed from the National Museum because of course
Speaker 1: they her um like that, it was taken to the
Speaker 1: Eddie Trust, which is now the Eddie Foundation, and it
Speaker 1: was stored for investigation for eight years, during which time
Speaker 1: not a single investigator came to look at it. Of course,
Speaker 1: like they did, they had to keep it in the
Speaker 1: more for eight years. It took up but it was
Speaker 1: like sarcophagus. Coffin and body took up the space of
Speaker 1: two bodies basically, and the whole the cost of them
Speaker 1: storing it was like seven dollars a day, which doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like a lot of money until you consider that
Speaker 1: by the time that they finally got around to being
Speaker 1: able to bury her, they had spent almost twenty three
Speaker 1: thousand dollars on storing eight And that's that's why you
Speaker 1: shouldn't go have one or two Starbucks a day, because
Speaker 1: that's how much money you're going to spend in a
Speaker 1: couple of years. It add up, and by the way,
Speaker 1: in that part of the world, that's probably more than
Speaker 1: most people making their entire lives. Yeah, it's a lot
Speaker 1: of money, um so. And actually what happened is the
Speaker 1: Eddie Foundation kept saying to the investigators, like, we have
Speaker 1: this body, are you, like, what are you doing? What
Speaker 1: are you doing? Like, it's really expensive for us to
Speaker 1: to store this body, and we're happy to do it
Speaker 1: as long as you're working towards finding out who she is.
Speaker 1: And they kept saying, oh, yeah, yeah, we're working. And
Speaker 1: so finally they said, um, all right, listen, we're going
Speaker 1: to bury the body in four days unless you tell
Speaker 1: us not to. And the investigators just never responded. So
Speaker 1: they finally in two thousand nine buried the body coffin Sarcopticus,
Speaker 1: everything in a kind of unmarked grave plot. And to me,
Speaker 1: that's really the saddest part of this mystery is that, yeah,
Speaker 1: woman was murdered, probably just burying it so somebody else
Speaker 1: doesn't dig it up and put it back on the market. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that might be part of it too, but
Speaker 1: I mean, realistically, that's the saddest part to me is that, like,
Speaker 1: a woman was murdered and we have no idea who
Speaker 1: she was, or not even necessarily murdered. She might have
Speaker 1: just died accidentally, but still she should have a marked grave,
Speaker 1: you know, or we should know, should know what happened, right, Yeah, sure, anyway,
Speaker 1: that's the down ending of this kind of otherwise fun
Speaker 1: Mrs let thanks a lot. Good thing we don't release
Speaker 1: these on Mondays. We'd screw people's entire weekend. I know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Thursdays are bad enough, rolls right into Friday and it's Friday.
Speaker 1: Maybe we should just not be releasing them anywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good point. Let's talk about that later. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're kidding, guys. Don't worry. Please don't write with angry emails,
Speaker 1: are we anyway? Um? Yeah, So if you want to
Speaker 1: see some of the links to some of the research, um,
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully you've already taken time to look up
Speaker 1: pictures of what this mommy looks like because it's kind
Speaker 1: of hard to describe if any of that stuff. You
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Speaker 1: lists to find every single episode we've ever done. I
Speaker 1: think Steve told me before we started recording that we're
Speaker 1: at like DO forty or something like. So if you
Speaker 1: think you have a story, you'd like to suggest check
Speaker 1: their first. But all of that stuff is at our website,
Speaker 1: which is Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. You can find
Speaker 1: us on social media. We are on Facebook. We've got
Speaker 1: a group and a page to join the group. You
Speaker 1: do have to ask answer some questions. Just don't forget
Speaker 1: to do it. They're really easy. And then you can
Speaker 1: find us on Twitter where we're Thinking Sideways Podcast. We've
Speaker 1: got a subreddit which is called Thinking Sideways and we
Speaker 1: have an Instagram now Thinking Sideways Podcast, not Thinking Sideways,
Speaker 1: that's something totally different somehow. Still, Also, you know where
Speaker 1: you're listening to us. It might be iTunes, it might
Speaker 1: be Stitcher, it might be Google Play, it might be
Speaker 1: pod being, it might be any other thing that I
Speaker 1: don't have the energy to list right now. If you do,
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Speaker 1: And then if you want to talk to us about
Speaker 1: the Persian Mummy, if you want to talk about how
Speaker 1: bad my pronunciation for every single word I said today was,
Speaker 1: you don't need to actually let Devon know. We've already
Speaker 1: made fun of it. We all know. It's it's okay,
Speaker 1: I know already. Um, if you have any any just
Speaker 1: anything you want to say to us, um, feel free
Speaker 1: to send us an email. That email Dress is Thinking
Speaker 1: Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. And I think that
Speaker 1: is everything that I need to tell you. I think
Speaker 1: it's all the stuff that you guys skip. There we go. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: another mystery solved. Yeah, sadly, let's talk about another princess.
Speaker 1: Talk about Disney princesses. Yeah, we can talk about Disney
Speaker 1: princess talk about princess cruises. Okay, oh yeah, when we
Speaker 1: talk about Disney princess cruises, perfect. Okay, what do you
Speaker 1: guys want to talk about first,