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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Devin, joined as usual by Joe and Steve, and

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Speaker 1: today we're going to talk about a mystery. I know

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Speaker 1: that's different from what we normally do. Yeah, well this

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Speaker 1: good you know recipe we could talk about instead if

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Speaker 1: you wanted cooking show. Yeah, we should be a travelogue.

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Speaker 1: We should the neighborhoods of Portland. Yeah. Um, Today we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about mystery we're calling the Persian Princess.

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Speaker 1: And before we get too far into what I do.

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Speaker 1: Want to thank Hayden for the suggestion of this mystery

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about. I mean, it may seem

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Speaker 1: kind of boring, this Persian princess thing, but I have

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Speaker 1: a fun twist ending kind of and an attempt and

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Speaker 1: a like a really really bad attempt at a quick

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Speaker 1: overview of the case that you may have already read

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Speaker 1: because it's also our episode description. Uh. In October two thousand,

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Speaker 1: of video surfaced in which a man claimed to have

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Speaker 1: the mummified remains of a Persian princess for sale. The

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Speaker 1: investigation that followed revealed not only that the mummy might

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Speaker 1: murder in the mix, which is the fun twist ending

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Speaker 1: there was a dead body in the middle of that. Mommy,

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Speaker 1: wasn't there, Well there, Usually iscifically it works, it's usually

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Speaker 1: how it works, though. Yeah, okay ready indeed okay. Uh So.

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Speaker 1: On October nineteenth, two thousand, a Pakistani man named Ali

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Speaker 1: Akbar made a video showcasing a mummy in a gilded

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Speaker 1: sarcophagus that he said he was selling for six million rupees,

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Speaker 1: which at the time was about eleven million dollars um,

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Speaker 1: seventeen short years. Yeah, and for folks who don't know

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Speaker 1: sarcophagus is a fancy coffin, not everybody goes yeah, actually

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Speaker 1: the ex character the cofin put the coffin into. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's the fancy thing. They put a fancy coffin. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: While this interested some people to be sure, other people

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Speaker 1: antiquity laws. It's probably illegal amount how you cut it.

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Speaker 1: It's either fraud which is illegal, or let's you know,

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Speaker 1: question ak Bar. When they did, he said he wasn't

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Speaker 1: sciency terms. The mummy was wrapped in an ancient Egyptian

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Speaker 1: But overall, yeah, overall, this is not really a theory

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Speaker 1: did a little cliffhangers just a couple of minutes ago,

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Speaker 1: probably less than a couple of minutes ago, after editing.

424
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: But that's okay, let's just talk about the CT scans.

425
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: We talked about that a minute. A minute ago. We

426
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: said that Ibrahim had a X rays and seas tea

427
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: scans done of the body of the mummy. So they

428
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: found some stuff. Surprised It turns out that the mummy,

429
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,239
Speaker 1: the body was actually the body of a woman who

430
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: had probably died in Yeah. They were able to carbonate

431
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: the teeth or something like that. Yeah, not so ancient

432
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: after all. It turns out she had been really small,

433
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: about four seven four seven inches, which I didn't bother

434
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: to translate into meters or whatever it is that you

435
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 1: guys use so they can look it up. But but yeah,

436
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: but but but that is very small, but probably for

437
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: ancient times, probably not remarkable for ancient times. No, but

438
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: it's pretty small. They also decided that they were able

439
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: to see that the body was of a woman who

440
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: was no older than twenty one. But they do refer

441
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: to her as a woman. I've never seen it referred

442
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: to as a girl or a teen or even a

443
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,239
Speaker 1: young woman. Um, but she was a young woman, so

444
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to make the presumption that she was older

445
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: than eighteen UM. But so she was a young young

446
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: woman who was very small. Her skin and hair had

447
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: been bleached, and they had been treated with things like

448
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: bicarbonate of soda and sodium chloride, which are both drying

449
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: agents and worth noting their modern drying agents they back

450
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: in the day. They stuffed her body full of that

451
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: stuff to suck all of the moisture out. They did. Actually,

452
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: the autopsy found that she had died from blunt force

453
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: trauma of the spine, but it was really hard to

454
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: tell if it was intentional or accidental. They likened it

455
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: to kind of what it would look like if you'd

456
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: been hit by a car and died um from a

457
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: spinal injury. So I guess by definition she was murdered

458
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: technically run over by a car or something like that.

459
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: Lots of murder. I mean, getting run over by a

460
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: car intentional or not is still technically murder. Well, you know,

461
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: if you do the right thing and call the police

462
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: and follow an accident report, I guess it's an accident.

463
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: But if you just grabbed the body and mommify it,

464
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: maybe that's kind of more murdering. Yeah, I mean I

465
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: would say, like even an accidental murder is a murder

466
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: of a kind, right, Yeah, sort of, that's technically a murder,

467
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: it's just a really accidental kind of I mean, you know.

468
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: The other option here is that she might have like

469
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: fallen just right on a fence or something like that,

470
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: but that seems really unlikely to me. So first sub

471
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 1: theory is that she could have been murdered for her organs.

472
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: That's a thing that happens sometimes, not not frequently, I

473
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: don't think, but sometimes you listen to the internet, it

474
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: happens all the time, constantly in bathtubs filled with ice. Yeah, yeah,

475
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: with a weird side pain. Uh. Did I forget to

476
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: mention that all of her organs were missing, by the way,

477
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: because they were all of them. I didn't forget. I

478
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: intentionally didn't. I did here, right, Sorry, it was being coy.

479
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: It's fine. This could have been the case of somebody

480
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: killing her for her organs, you know, a blunt forced

481
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: trauma to the spine, could have been intentional or not. Again,

482
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: but they could have thought, oh, let's take all of

483
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: her organs, because even her heart was missing, and this

484
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: was a this was a mistake maybe on the part

485
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: of the people who were doing it, or was or

486
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: it was all of her organs were being taken to

487
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: be sold on the black market. Body for mama Mama, yeah,

488
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: because well yeah, Gyptians left the heart in. But one

489
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: thing that people kind of thought was that it's possible

490
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: that her body had been grave robbed and that's how

491
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: somebody came about her body versus, you know, murdered for

492
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: necessarily the forgery or anything like that. So it's possible

493
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: she was murdered for her organs. They were all removed

494
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: and then she was buried, and then later she had

495
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: the additional misfortune of being dug up and made into

496
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: a mummy or and I don't know how much this happens.

497
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you can be an Oregon downer over here

498
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: in America. I assume they have similar things in other countries,

499
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: and so maybe she had died of some some cause

500
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 1: or another in her organs were harvested for, you know,

501
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: to be given to other people, and then they sent

502
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: her off to the morgue where she was more robbed

503
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: instead of grave robbed. I mean, her body could have

504
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: been nabbed all kinds of places. True, It's it's certainly

505
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: possible that that could have happened. I don't think they

506
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: usually take all the organs, like they wouldn't take her intestines,

507
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: for instance, right, Like that would be that would have

508
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: been a thing they would have left in there, because

509
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: like I don't think, I don't think, I don't I

510
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: don't have never heard of an intestinal transplant that I

511
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: haven't either. Seemed like that would be kind of seems

512
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: like maybe not a right How do you get them

513
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: packed in there just right? I'm sure there are some

514
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: doctors you know. Well. The weird thing about taking the

515
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: organs for harvest or not, as well as the whole

516
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: packing or full of drying agents, you have to do

517
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: that stuff almost immediately. I mean, if they are really

518
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: taking the organs to sell, then they definitely would have

519
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: had to kill this person to take them right away.

520
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: While the brand new fresh in the package, still working.

521
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: You gotta if you don't kill them, you're gonna be

522
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: at least Johnny on the spot exactly. And the same

523
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: thing with the with the drying agents. In order to

524
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: get the drying agents in there and get the body

525
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: to actually start, you know, losing all that moisture before

526
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: it starts to decay and rot and every other things

527
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: to set in that speed that process along, you also

528
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: have to be there like immediately. There's not there's a

529
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: very small window for that stuff to happen. So, and

530
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,239
Speaker 1: I'm not clear on the type of spine injury she

531
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: had that killed her, it is I guess it is possible,

532
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: just totally speculating here, that she could have had one

533
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: of those like brain dead spine injuries and that's why

534
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: she And so that would mean that somebody could have

535
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: harvested all of her organs if she was in a hospital,

536
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: if she well, if she were in a hospital, or

537
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: if your brain did your body No, I I know

538
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: your body isn't functioning. I understand the brain runs the body.

539
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: I'm not a total but no, but that you know,

540
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: if they had hit her just right and they realized,

541
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: like I don't know, it doesn't really matter. Yeah, if

542
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: you were in the hospital or some other thing. I

543
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: don't really know how the organ harvesting black market works

544
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: so relatively efficiently according to the Internet, you got a

545
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: one or two. Though, it looks to me like she

546
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: probably from the injuries I've heard described, and I've heard

547
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: variations from broken pelvis to broken neck all the way

548
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: up the whole game, it sounds something like she probably

549
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: was in something like a car wreck. Yeah. I think

550
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: she was probably hit by a car, like a pedestrian

551
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: hit by probably from behind, looks like, so you do

552
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: have to wonder how many of her organs were actually

553
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: good enough shape after something like that. And that's why

554
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: I yeah, and that's why I bring this one up first, because,

555
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: as you guys know, I like to go like dumbest

556
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: to best. So I would say, this is a low

557
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: probability that she was killed for her organs, but it's

558
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: still probably a possibility. I guess that's a theory. Yeah,

559
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: we kind of went on the grave robbing thing again.

560
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, sorry, let's let's hop to the next area.

561
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: In the next area that that she, you know, maybe

562
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: got hit by a car totally accidentally died was buried

563
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: and then at a later date was grave robbed and

564
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: they took all of her organs out for the forgery.

565
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: The problem with this, of course, is, um, we just said, yeah,

566
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: basically all the things we just said, you know, the

567
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: drying agents would have had to have been applied like

568
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: way earlier than you know, she would have showed more

569
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: signs of decomposition things like that. Um, this was the

570
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: most prevalent theory from the investigators. They thought that basically

571
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: the reason that this is like their ideal theory is

572
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: because we'll talk about at the end here the really

573
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: really sad part of this whole story. But the investigators

574
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: once once they found out that it wasn't a real mummy,

575
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: just kind of didn't care anymore. So this theory, Yeah, no,

576
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't obviously as high profile, but it's a'm sture.

577
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: They still looked into it as a murder mystery, but

578
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: probably not tis not really that much. It sounds like,

579
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: so this was an ideal theory for them, right, because

580
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: it meant they didn't have to really deal with a murder, right,

581
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 1: they didn't really have to find a Jane Doe murder

582
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: that had been killed for this, like huge foragery. They

583
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: could just say, listen, we got the people who were

584
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: who had you know, done this, and they're in jail

585
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: for ten years because of the antiquities laws, and that's

586
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: probably good enough. And they just robbed a grave and

587
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, they did the forgery and that's awful, but

588
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 1: they didn't really kill anyone. They weren't really hurting anyone.

589
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: They didn't really get away with it. So they're spending

590
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: time in jail and everything's fine. So this is obviously

591
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: an ideal theory for them because they didn't really have

592
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: to do anything. But you know, obviously they could have

593
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 1: done something, because that's that's where the trail leads back,

594
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: is to who actually killed this person. Is these people

595
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: got got the body from somebody somebody and obviously the

596
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: police that they probably bribed the police to just say dude,

597
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, don't make us, don't make us rad our

598
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: friends up, we'll get killed or something like that, you know.

599
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: But but obviously they could have tracked it back that way. Yeah,

600
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: we one would think they could have, but it seems

601
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: like they didn't really care. Yeah. Well, and I wonder

602
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: I wonder that the level of difficulty to track it

603
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: back because based on how gosh I forgot the name

604
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: of the guy, the American who first saw and figured

605
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: out it was a forgery, Oscar. Yeah, there was. There

606
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: was at least six months, if not almost a year

607
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: between when he saw the tape and when the next

608
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: people got ahold of it. So that means this body,

609
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: this was I think the same it was the same seller,

610
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about the time frame between when he

611
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: saw the film and whoever report you know got them

612
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: in trouble saw the film. Yeah, so this body has

613
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: been floating around, this mummy has been floating around in

614
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: their possession for a while. So that makes the trail

615
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: even colder, because you know, there's more and more time.

616
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: People are coming and go, and I can I'm not

617
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: defending them, but I can see all that would make

618
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 1: it so much harder when it's not brand new fresh

619
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: blood on the ground. Yeah, I'm just I'm just presuming

620
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: that fakes like this, especially ones that are considered to

621
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: be like high level fakes, not just a regular mommy,

622
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: but a princess. You know, somebody, somebody invested some time

623
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: and then found themselves a buyer and it was so

624
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: this thing actually might have originally been and that might

625
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: be part of the reason it was so crudely done,

626
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: like with the translations and stuff like that. It might

627
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: have just been meant to be sold to some rich

628
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: dude as a memento, like you know, as you know,

629
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: it could have been the tribal guy, and it could

630
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: have been never intended to actually fool anybody at the

631
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: level of a museum of antiquities level, you know what

632
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And so that guy had it and then

633
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: either decided he needed to cash more or whatever, so

634
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: he sold it. And so I don't think anybody like

635
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: bought somebody like in a in a bazaar or something

636
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: like that where they didn't know who it was even

637
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: with time going by. It's actually a really good segue

638
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: into our next theory. So let's do that, and then

639
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: I know, you guys have a lot you want to

640
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: talk about with this theory, which is why I saved

641
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: it for last, and it's the most likely one. I think.

642
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: It could be that somebody killed her for the forgery. Um,

643
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, she literally fit the bill, she I mean, yeah, actually, unfortunately,

644
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, she was small and people from that time

645
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: we're small, and you know, it could be that she was,

646
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, maybe somebody who was experiencing homelessness, maybe somebody

647
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: who was a sex worker, maybe somebody who they just

648
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: knew what some you know, somebody that they knew, you know, sadly,

649
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be missed. And also you gotta find somebody

650
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: who hasn't had any dental work done. You can't have

651
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: any model of modern dental work things like that. Yeah,

652
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: so I think they probably just found the right you know,

653
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: in my mind, the way this goes as somebody found

654
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: the confidence sarcophagus, which was a forgery in and of itself, right,

655
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: but somebody found this older forgery and was like, oh yeah,

656
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: we could we could fill that. Oh yeah, you know what. Actually,

657
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: you know that one lady that we see all the

658
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: time who's super short, she would fit the bill. We

659
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: could do this. We and then they just hit her

660
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: with a car, kills her. And then they or something

661
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: or you know something, they hit her with something killer,

662
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, find they remove all her organs, wrongly, remove

663
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: all her organs because again Egyptian mummies not traditionally dry

664
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: her out, make a new map for the coffin, deal

665
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: with the resident, put the gold on her face and

666
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: you know put the chest plate. I mean, it's not insane.

667
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: I mean it is insane, right, it's that's that is insane.

668
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: But it's not a crazy theory, No, not at all.

669
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: I mean, actually, mummy forgeries are really common. And back

670
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: like two years ago and the early nineteenth century, there

671
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: was this thing called mummy mania. Have you heard of?

672
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: Mummy Mania overtook Europe after after after Egypt. Egypt was

673
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: opened up and suddenly lots of Europeans were traveling to Egypt,

674
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: and all these rich Europeans were buying mummies to bring

675
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: home and put it on display at the family of state,

676
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: show off to their friends and stuff. And I'm sure

677
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: just about all of them were forgeries. Well this is

678
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: and this is why antiquities laws exist now too. I mean,

679
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: should you be buying an authentic one to take home? No,

680
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean the black market for antiquities, whether they're forged

681
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: or not. The black market is worth so much to

682
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: the tune of billions of dollars a year, which you

683
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: can understand why that would be so enticing to a

684
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: couple of Yahoo's who finds something and realized that they

685
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: could spin it from a low level thing to a

686
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: higher low value to a higher value object. Sixteen million

687
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: dollars is a lot of money. I'm talking about when

688
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: they found just a coffin and oh hey, if we

689
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: can stuff a body in that thing, now it's worth

690
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: even more. But I agree with Joe that I think

691
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: that they you really have to have some seriously big

692
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: cojones and skill to think that you can fool somebody

693
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: in a museum. Well, what I think kind of mostly man,

694
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: I sort of tested. I think what kind of happened

695
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: is somebody just meant it to fool some rich dude.

696
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: It didn't really know anything, yeah, and it was plenty

697
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: authentic enough looking for that, and then this rich dude,

698
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, decided, hey, this is this is such

699
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: a perfect copy. I could probably fool somebody else and

700
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: make myself like ten million bucks or or said rich

701
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: dude you know, thinks it's actually, you know, actually real

702
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: worth a lot of money and finds himself well and

703
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: finds himself like, you know what, Actually I really want

704
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: to boat? Yeah, i'd want that panther yacht. What do

705
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: I have that I could sell that I don't really

706
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 1: care about? Oh yeah, I have that money in the basement.

707
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: I'll sell that. Yeah, I'd get kind of tired of

708
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: that anyway. It's hard to keep it clean. Yeah, it's

709
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: been just collecting that a scratching post. Yeah, I mean

710
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: I almost also wonder if what happened is they found

711
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: the coffin the sarcophagus that they could I don't as

712
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: far as I know, they never dated the chest plate

713
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: and all the other goal the couchmans. It's possible, in

714
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: my mind they found a really old forgery that had

715
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: not the mummy itself had not withstood the test of time, right,

716
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: and so they find all this stuff and for all

717
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: they know, it's authentic, except for the mummy looks bad.

718
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: They don't know. They're not the dummies who did like

719
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: a weird your dumb translation on the chest. They don't

720
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: know anything. Yeah, right, I mean, they don't know anything.

721
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: They're just like, we just need a body to fill this,

722
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: and then we've got ourselves an authentic mummy in a

723
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: coffin in a sarcophagus that we can solve her a

724
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: ton of money. They might not even they might have, honestly,

725
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: honest to God, thought that everything else about it was authentic,

726
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: except because that's I mean the coffin comes from that

727
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: time when Mummy Fever was happening. Yeah, when all these

728
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: fortunes were going around. Yeah, and which would explained why

729
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: the guy sent over the sliver of the coffin, like,

730
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: go ahead and Carmen this. I mean, he could really

731
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: could have just thought they could have been so dumb.

732
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: I mean, frankly, if I found something like that, I

733
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,959
Speaker 1: would think it was real, Like, I don't know any better.

734
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: I think this guy. It might be that the guy

735
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: that actually owned it and picked himself a really stupid

736
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: agent to marketing, probably intended for him to go find

737
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: himself a private collector to pay big money for this,

738
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: and as Bozo starts showing it a out to actually

739
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: well connected people who and it actually got publicized and

740
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: gave to the attention to the authorities and stuff, and

741
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: so he probably just googled like Persian antique collectors, and

742
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: like a bunch of educated people came up and he

743
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: was like, cool, these are the collectors I'll reach out

744
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: to that I just did a Google. Yeah, it could

745
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: be alright. I guess at that point it was probably

746
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: like an ask Jeeves or something, because that's a good point. Yeah,

747
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: I find it really funny that the Taliban in the beginning,

748
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: we're trying to flex their muscle to say that they

749
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: owned it because they were they Well what I find

750
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: so ironic about that is you know that they're pretending

751
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: that they're trying to protect a national treasure, but no,

752
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: the biggest bandits they are. They've been selling off so

753
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 1: much history for so long in that part of the world,

754
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: and to fund their operations and also destroying it. You know,

755
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: they had they sort of hued this idea that nothing

756
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: predates are wonderful Islamic Republicans, so like you know, like

757
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: remember those those giant, those giant ancient Buddhas up in

758
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: the middle that they destroyed. Yeah, yeah, Well big part

759
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: of this is if you have been paying attention, you know, uh,

760
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: there's a gold crown, there's a gold mask, there's a

761
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: gold chest plate, there's another gold weird chess plate thing

762
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: that's there's money there, there's a lot of money. Yeah,

763
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: people who did the forgeries were domin enough to just

764
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: do something that was plated. I assume that you solid gold,

765
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: I was what do you think about it? Is it

766
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: kind of an investment? It is, But if you're going

767
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: to sell it for you know, sixty what is now

768
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars, it's still still worthwhile. Yeah, but I

769
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: really I do kind of think it was. You know,

770
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: they didn't actually do any of the forgery except for

771
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: the body in my mind. You know, it's it's hard

772
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: to say. I just I just know how much of

773
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: that that part of the world is being dug up

774
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: constantly and sold off. Have you reading those articles about

775
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: how they're using satellite technology and their their time standing,

776
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: the overlaying images from different times to then be able

777
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: to tell where and when people are digging stuff. Yeah,

778
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: they're doing it illegally, yeah, constantly, but like entire grave

779
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: ancient graveyards are being looted from the sky. They're like,

780
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: oh look it's it looks like the side of a

781
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: golf ball. You just just pock marksist divin did. Did

782
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: just guys out there just this so sad, you know,

783
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, there there was there was some really fun

784
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: If you guys want to hear stories of other fake

785
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: fun mummy stories, Yeah, Like the most recent one was

786
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: fifty in the Vatican finally decided to check on do

787
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: a little research on their comummies, and they had two

788
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: of them that were basically child sized. One that turned

789
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: out to be complete fakes, and they've had them for

790
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: a long time, Like how complete faikes? Like just newer

791
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: they had no human body, had animal bones. Well. There

792
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: was just another famous case was in New Jersey. This

793
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: this is like in the on display at like the

794
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: Hack and Sack Library that have been donated like in

795
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties or something into the city and it

796
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 1: had been on display and then suddenly and after about

797
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 1: three decades, it was discovered that it was all just rags.

798
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: I mean it was just like you know, my mommy,

799
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: just rags, all shaped to look like a human body,

800
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: all wrapped in Yeah, like like when you were a

801
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: kid and you make the pillows under your blankets, so

802
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 1: that looked like the shape of you sleeping kind of yeah. Yeah.

803
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: And there was another famous one that was like a

804
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: huge attraction in Mississippi was like I'm displayed at the

805
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 1: Mississippi State Capital from like the nineteen twenties to nineteen

806
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: sixty nine. I think when they finally took a closer

807
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: look at it and then did some X rays and

808
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: discovered that what they thought was a body inside it

809
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: was just like paper mache and a wooden frame held

810
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: together with nails. Rapp, I have a new venture for yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

811
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do from now on. Uh So,

812
00:45:54,719 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: just one final thing before we end this story. Uh

813
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: and it's just really sad to me. It's it's worth

814
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: noting that, um, a few people in the agency's investing

815
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: the whole discovery of the mummy got these really big

816
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: promotions based on the discovery and returned to the rifle owners.

817
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: These are all air quotes. I'm doing whild Air quoting

818
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: in here. But once it was exposed as a murder

819
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: and forgery, they kept their promotions and also weren't really

820
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: asked to investigate the origins of the murdered woman. Yeah.

821
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: I mean, basically, people really only cared about this case

822
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: when it was a fancy princess mummy. And on one hand,

823
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: I understand, But on the other hand, it's kind of

824
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: like there was a Jane Doe murder out there, Like

825
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: some woman was murdered. It's kind of like Princess who

826
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: died in a car wreck. Other other women of similar

827
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: age and worthiness get killed in car wrecks all the time.

828
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: Does anybody know or care no, no, yeah, it's it's

829
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: really sad to me. Um. But since the coffin and

830
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: mummy were removed from the National Museum because of course

831
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: they her um like that, it was taken to the

832
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: Eddie Trust, which is now the Eddie Foundation, and it

833
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: was stored for investigation for eight years, during which time

834
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: not a single investigator came to look at it. Of course,

835
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: like they did, they had to keep it in the

836
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: more for eight years. It took up but it was

837
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: like sarcophagus. Coffin and body took up the space of

838
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: two bodies basically, and the whole the cost of them

839
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: storing it was like seven dollars a day, which doesn't

840
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: seem like a lot of money until you consider that

841
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: by the time that they finally got around to being

842
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: able to bury her, they had spent almost twenty three

843
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: thousand dollars on storing eight And that's that's why you

844
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 1: shouldn't go have one or two Starbucks a day, because

845
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: that's how much money you're going to spend in a

846
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: couple of years. It add up, and by the way,

847
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: in that part of the world, that's probably more than

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Speaker 1: most people making their entire lives. Yeah, it's a lot

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Speaker 1: of money, um so. And actually what happened is the

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Speaker 1: Eddie Foundation kept saying to the investigators, like, we have

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Speaker 1: this body, are you, like, what are you doing? What

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00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: are you doing? Like, it's really expensive for us to

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Speaker 1: to store this body, and we're happy to do it

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00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: as long as you're working towards finding out who she is.

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Speaker 1: And they kept saying, oh, yeah, yeah, we're working. And

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Speaker 1: so finally they said, um, all right, listen, we're going

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Speaker 1: to bury the body in four days unless you tell

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Speaker 1: us not to. And the investigators just never responded. So

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Speaker 1: they finally in two thousand nine buried the body coffin Sarcopticus,

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Speaker 1: everything in a kind of unmarked grave plot. And to me,

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Speaker 1: that's really the saddest part of this mystery is that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: woman was murdered, probably just burying it so somebody else

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Speaker 1: doesn't dig it up and put it back on the market. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that might be part of it too, but

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Speaker 1: I mean, realistically, that's the saddest part to me is that, like,

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Speaker 1: a woman was murdered and we have no idea who

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Speaker 1: she was, or not even necessarily murdered. She might have

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Speaker 1: just died accidentally, but still she should have a marked grave,

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Speaker 1: you know, or we should know, should know what happened, right, Yeah, sure, anyway,

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Speaker 1: that's the down ending of this kind of otherwise fun

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Speaker 1: Mrs let thanks a lot. Good thing we don't release

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Speaker 1: these on Mondays. We'd screw people's entire weekend. I know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Thursdays are bad enough, rolls right into Friday and it's Friday.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we should just not be releasing them anywhere. Yeah,

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00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: that's a good point. Let's talk about that later. Okay,

876
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: we're kidding, guys. Don't worry. Please don't write with angry emails,

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Speaker 1: are we anyway? Um? Yeah, So if you want to

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Speaker 1: see some of the links to some of the research, um,

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00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully you've already taken time to look up

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00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: pictures of what this mommy looks like because it's kind

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Speaker 1: of hard to describe if any of that stuff. You

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00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: think Steve told me before we started recording that we're

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Speaker 1: at like DO forty or something like. So if you

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Speaker 1: their first. But all of that stuff is at our website,

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Speaker 1: which is Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. You can find

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Speaker 1: us on social media. We are on Facebook. We've got

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Speaker 1: got a subreddit which is called Thinking Sideways and we

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Speaker 1: have an Instagram now Thinking Sideways Podcast, not Thinking Sideways,

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Speaker 1: that's something totally different somehow. Still, Also, you know where

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Speaker 1: you're listening to us. It might be iTunes, it might

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Speaker 1: And then if you want to talk to us about

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Speaker 1: the Persian Mummy, if you want to talk about how

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Speaker 1: bad my pronunciation for every single word I said today was,

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Speaker 1: you don't need to actually let Devon know. We've already

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Speaker 1: made fun of it. We all know. It's it's okay,

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Speaker 1: I know already. Um, if you have any any just

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Speaker 1: anything you want to say to us, um, feel free

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Speaker 1: to send us an email. That email Dress is Thinking

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Speaker 1: Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. And I think that

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Speaker 1: is everything that I need to tell you. I think

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Speaker 1: it's all the stuff that you guys skip. There we go. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: another mystery solved. Yeah, sadly, let's talk about another princess.

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Speaker 1: Talk about Disney princesses. Yeah, we can talk about Disney

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Speaker 1: princess talk about princess cruises. Okay, oh yeah, when we

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Speaker 1: talk about Disney princess cruises, perfect. Okay, what do you

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Speaker 1: guys want to talk about first,