WEBVTT - 10: BONUS EP - America’s Next Top Superhero

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<v Speaker 1>Novel. It was a cold, unusually windy evening in downtown

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<v Speaker 1>l A in two thousand and six. The hum of

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<v Speaker 1>the city was interrupted by a woman's screams for help.

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<v Speaker 1>She was on the roof of a warehouse, running around

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<v Speaker 1>in a pink skirt and flailing her arms. But on

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<v Speaker 1>the neighboring roof was a site that would make even

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<v Speaker 1>the most jaded Angelino do a double take. A group

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<v Speaker 1>of superheroes were assembled. They're dressed in colorful spandex costumes

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<v Speaker 1>and billowing caps. One of the heroes cried out, help

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<v Speaker 1>is coming. At the edge of the roof was a

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<v Speaker 1>perfectly placed beam that spanned across the two buildings to

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<v Speaker 1>create a precarious bridge. From this height, the people walking

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<v Speaker 1>along the street below looked like ants, We're gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>across two buildings on a beam, because that's the superheroes do.

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<v Speaker 1>That's La Mauria. She's one of the heroes. She's wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a gold spandex suit with no sleeves and a black cape.

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<v Speaker 1>Her black hair is flowing in the wind. Gold lots

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<v Speaker 1>and lots of gold, lots of gold like gold power

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<v Speaker 1>and then I work gold pants well rap fans, super

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<v Speaker 1>tight and um stiletto gold stiletto booths, because every superhero

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<v Speaker 1>should wear a s little boothe She stepped onto the

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<v Speaker 1>beam towards the desperate woman. It's at night and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a wind going, and I'm feeling my hair is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of brushing against my face. I'm holding on to a beam,

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<v Speaker 1>just white knuckling it. Right, So I'm white knuckling this beam.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot see anything. With her face furrowed in concentration,

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<v Speaker 1>Lemuria and the other superheroes navigated the narrow space between

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<v Speaker 1>the buildings. So here we go. So we're there, and

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<v Speaker 1>I literally no shape. I have no shame at all,

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<v Speaker 1>no shape. I get on my hands and knees, and

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<v Speaker 1>the wind is coming and I'm getting cold, and just

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<v Speaker 1>one hit time, you know what I mean. This is

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<v Speaker 1>like internal, ugly crying and just the fear of death.

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<v Speaker 1>Midway across the beam, Lemuria thought it might be the end,

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<v Speaker 1>but after some hyperventilating, she saved the damsel in distress.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, I should add that while La Maria

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<v Speaker 1>thought she was defying death two above street level, she

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<v Speaker 1>was actually blindfolded on a TV set, tiptoeing across a

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<v Speaker 1>wooden beam. There was only a few inches off the floor.

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<v Speaker 1>There was even a guy operating a wind machine to

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<v Speaker 1>simulate the gusty l a wind. I didn't realize it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't real. We're on the set of a reality TV

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<v Speaker 1>show like no other. Somewhere inside autous Welcome to Who

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<v Speaker 1>Wants to Be a Superhero? Before Phoenix Jones and the

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<v Speaker 1>Rain City Superhero Movement started doing their ing. Who Wants

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<v Speaker 1>to Be a Superhero was a reality competition show that

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<v Speaker 1>aired on the Sci Fi Channel in two thousand and six.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like a cross between Big Brother and The Apprentice,

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<v Speaker 1>but with a whole lot more spandex. The premise was

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<v Speaker 1>that comic book fans had to invent their own superhero

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<v Speaker 1>persona and battle it out in a series of challenges

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<v Speaker 1>to see who possessed true superhero qualities compassion, courage, and kindness.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the church to make lifelong fetes. I'm a source

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<v Speaker 1>of life, i amdulous ball, I'm the last hero standing.

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<v Speaker 1>Would receive a prize that money can't buy. They'd have

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<v Speaker 1>their character immortalized in an original comic book written by Stanley,

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<v Speaker 1>the mastermind behind Spider Man, The Hulk, the Fantastic Four,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of the greatest comic book superheroes in history.

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<v Speaker 1>When you look back at footage from Who Wants to

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<v Speaker 1>Be a Superhero, it's can't be in pretty ridiculous. The

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<v Speaker 1>contestants have names like the Iron and Forcer, cell Phone Girl,

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<v Speaker 1>or Nitro g and they carry homemade cardboard laser guns

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<v Speaker 1>or plastic bananas which supposedly transform into high tech weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>It all looks pretty low budget. Who Wants to Be

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<v Speaker 1>a Superhero air before the renaissance of all the superhero

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<v Speaker 1>blockbuster movies, back when the real life superhero scene was

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<v Speaker 1>just getting off the ground. In a way, the show

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<v Speaker 1>laid the groundwork for the whole movement. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>get to know the people who played such a big

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<v Speaker 1>role in this weird subculture. I'm about to dive back

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<v Speaker 1>into the comic book universe to find out what it

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<v Speaker 1>takes to triumph in the ultimate reality TV battle between

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<v Speaker 1>real life superheroes. So don your capes, slip into your micra,

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<v Speaker 1>and rehearse your cheesiest catchphrase, because things are about to

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<v Speaker 1>get ridiculous. I'm David Weinberg and from the Team's at

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<v Speaker 1>Novel and I Heart Radio. This is the Superhero Complex,

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<v Speaker 1>Episode ten America's next top superhero. I'm such a nerd.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. You're here in my house and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>board games everywhere and swords and beholders and mind flares

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<v Speaker 1>and dragons on the walls. And that's what makes me happy.

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<v Speaker 1>I met Matthew Atherton at his house in the suburbs,

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<v Speaker 1>about an hour east of Los Angeles. Back in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and six, he was known as Feedback, a real

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<v Speaker 1>life superhero, but not in the way that Phoenix Jones

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<v Speaker 1>is a real life superhero. I'm not the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>you know is going to put on a costume and

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<v Speaker 1>go into dark alleys and look for wrongs that need

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<v Speaker 1>to be righted. Feedback is Matthew's superhero character, created for

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<v Speaker 1>who wants to be a superhero. Before he was Feedback, though,

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew liked to role play as his favorite superheroes, in

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<v Speaker 1>particular Spider Man. I made a Spiderman costume and dressed

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<v Speaker 1>up as Spider Man and led the Halloween parade a

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<v Speaker 1>Spiderman and stuff like that. And in college he even

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<v Speaker 1>made his own Spider Man movies. So the first one

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<v Speaker 1>was called The Origin, and I sent a copy to

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<v Speaker 1>my mom, and my mom sent it to Marvel, and so, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I got this letter that said, we really love that

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<v Speaker 1>you're excited about the character, but you can't do this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, getting this, I'm like, mom, why did you

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<v Speaker 1>do that? And so I wrote back a letter that said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're not charging any money for any of this.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, we're just making fan films. And I got

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<v Speaker 1>another letter back that's like, you know, it's tough to

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<v Speaker 1>break into the comic book business. You know, try hanging

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<v Speaker 1>out at a comic bookstore and all this other stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought, this is worthless. Maybe Marvel knew something

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew didn't at the time, because hanging out at this

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<v Speaker 1>local comic bookstore would change his life. One day, around

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and five, many years after Matthew got in

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<v Speaker 1>touch with Marvel, he saw an ad for an open

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<v Speaker 1>casting call. It was for a show called Who Wants

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<v Speaker 1>to Be a Superhero? Matthew raced home and forged a

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<v Speaker 1>brand new superhero persona feedback. Feedback had the power to

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<v Speaker 1>draw energy from others. If I was with other heroes,

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<v Speaker 1>I could enhance their powers, and if I were with

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<v Speaker 1>a villain, I could pull their power down. Feedback were

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<v Speaker 1>a black iron man looking suit with electric blue detailing

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<v Speaker 1>and a big letter F in the middle. On the

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<v Speaker 1>day of auditions, Feedback took the day off from his

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<v Speaker 1>job as a software engineer and drove down to Sunset

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<v Speaker 1>Gower Studios in Hollywood. He parked his car and quickly

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<v Speaker 1>realized he wasn't alone. There was a whole crowd of

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<v Speaker 1>would be superheroes milling around, blinking in the rain and

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<v Speaker 1>waiting to be told what to do. The battle to

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<v Speaker 1>become one of the show's contestants was clearly going to

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<v Speaker 1>be fierce, like how do you do this? And it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's have an open casting call and we'll put it everywhere, Craigslist, everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Rick tell Us, he's the director of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>He was raging on the day of the auditions and

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<v Speaker 1>he was scared nobody would show up. But Rick definitely

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<v Speaker 1>underestimated the number of would be superheroes in l A.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I remember going outside looking down the street

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<v Speaker 1>and there was this huge line of people and it

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<v Speaker 1>just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>He had to open a second studio to house them all,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were all dressed up and I'm thinking to myself,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you keep them entertained? Rick didn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>do anything because these weren't regular people. They were superheroes,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just completely filled with spectacle, you know, people

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<v Speaker 1>that are wearing huge wings and some people even like

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<v Speaker 1>breathing fire, you know, and I'm like, how is that?

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<v Speaker 1>You probably should not be doing that in an enclosed space.

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<v Speaker 1>Feedback and the other superheroes walked into a dramatic black

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<v Speaker 1>room and took their place in a pool of light.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they introduced themselves, told their superhero origin story, and

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<v Speaker 1>explain their powers to Stanley, who's peering down from a

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<v Speaker 1>large screen. There was Monkey Woman who sounds exactly like

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<v Speaker 1>a monkey, and there was Ice Bitch, who has the

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<v Speaker 1>excellent catchphrase of freeze motherfucker. There was Mulletman, who looks

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<v Speaker 1>as you'd expect, and then there was also a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who can unleash the powers of his quote Harry Ass

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<v Speaker 1>when he puts on a yellow thong and healed white boots.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's director Rick. There was one woman that came in

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<v Speaker 1>and took off her top and we were like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, how are we going to show this on TV?

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<v Speaker 1>Stan was like shocked, and we were all shocked or like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god. Apparently she liked to fight topless to

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<v Speaker 1>distract her enemies. Sometimes you have to go to extreme

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<v Speaker 1>measures to combat evil. Some of the wanna be TV stars,

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<v Speaker 1>it seemed more invested in their characters than others. The

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<v Speaker 1>trick was figuring out who's the most genuine. Maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>was the woman clad in a pink leotard over her

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<v Speaker 1>skin tight black suit with donuts hanging around her waist.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Alison Wilson. I'm known as Neil Wilson.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't into superheroes and stan Lee and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really even know who he was. You know. Allison's daughter

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<v Speaker 1>had come home one day after seeing a post about

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<v Speaker 1>the audition on social media. She said, they were doing

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<v Speaker 1>auditions for Who Wants to Be a Superhero? And so

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<v Speaker 1>we were playing around and um, trying to think of

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<v Speaker 1>what we would be if I was a superhero. So

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<v Speaker 1>I said, well, I'm fat and I'm a mama, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be fat mama. And so I had these donuts

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<v Speaker 1>and I put some donuts around my waist, and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll read the world of bullies so I would help

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<v Speaker 1>people to accept themselves the way they are, and the

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<v Speaker 1>producers loved her. They loved her so much that that

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<v Speaker 1>Mama already knew she was in by the time she

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<v Speaker 1>attended the audition. It was merely a normality. But not

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<v Speaker 1>everyone was having fun. Another aspiring superhero, Major Victory, was

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<v Speaker 1>dressed in ballet tights and a red shirt with a

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<v Speaker 1>letter V duct tape to his chest. He was fed

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<v Speaker 1>up at the endless hours of auditioning and waiting around

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<v Speaker 1>as the producers tried to whittle down their contestants. What

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<v Speaker 1>am I doing. I'm dressed in spandex, I'm sopping wet

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<v Speaker 1>my hair that I had all like a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>hair spray and and stuff, and I just felt like

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<v Speaker 1>a wet dog. And I wanted to leave. But just

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<v Speaker 1>as he was about to give up and go home,

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<v Speaker 1>he got a tap on the shoulder that would change

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<v Speaker 1>his life forever. And I was just about to leave,

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<v Speaker 1>and the producer grabbed me and said, hey, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to introduce you to somebody. This is Diamond Girl. So

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<v Speaker 1>he introduced me to Diamond Girl. So I met Diamond Girls. Said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to see my diamond said sure, I'll check

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<v Speaker 1>out your diamond and and um Diamond Girl ended up

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<v Speaker 1>being my wife. While romance blossomed between these who masked adventures,

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<v Speaker 1>their spandex clad rivals were being put through the wringer.

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<v Speaker 1>After being grilled and grueling round of interviews, psychological tests,

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<v Speaker 1>and a final round of performing their superhero battle cry

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<v Speaker 1>to Stanley himself, the producers picked their final twelve contestants.

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<v Speaker 1>It took a bit of extra persuasion for feedback, but

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that if I were on the show, then

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<v Speaker 1>people who really loved comics and loved the stories, and

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<v Speaker 1>not just the great artwork and the funny parts of it,

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<v Speaker 1>but the parts where you care about it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>stories that resonate with you as a human being. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to represent those people who really appreciated it and

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<v Speaker 1>just said, I feel like this is my purpose. There's

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why I'm on the planet. His speech to

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<v Speaker 1>the producers did the trick. Feedback, secured his spot on

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<v Speaker 1>the show, and perhaps unadvisedly quit his job that same day.

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<v Speaker 1>On the first day of filming, the chosen twelve superheroes

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<v Speaker 1>arrived one by one on set to a luxurious mansion

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<v Speaker 1>with large staircases. Each character was profiled in true comic

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<v Speaker 1>book fashion in a majestic entrance hall, Fat Mama, Feedback,

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<v Speaker 1>Major Victory, and Lemuria. We're all sizing each other up

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<v Speaker 1>over a welcome toast. Alongside them were Monkey Woman, Cellphone Girl, Creature,

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<v Speaker 1>Iron Enforcer, Nitro g Tculus Levity, and Rode Art, who

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<v Speaker 1>was wearing a silver suit and a silver army helmet.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, I was a little bit intimidated because, like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, all I saw was these people, and they're young,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, they looked like what America or people

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<v Speaker 1>think a superhero supposed. It looked like we had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea what was going to be ahead of us. A

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<v Speaker 1>party ensued. Monkey Woman was shaking her body wildly while

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<v Speaker 1>cell Phone Girl danced the Robot Levity, an action figure

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<v Speaker 1>shop owner, discussed his plans to blaze a trail for

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<v Speaker 1>the LGBTQ community as a superhero with the added perk

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<v Speaker 1>of being able to cash in with his own act

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<v Speaker 1>and figure. Creature, who could heal others with fruit and

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<v Speaker 1>raw foods, was flirting with the other heroes, and Iron Enforcer,

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<v Speaker 1>with his machine gun arm was bragging about his affinity

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<v Speaker 1>for killing people. Suddenly, Stanley interrupted them from a screen

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<v Speaker 1>in the corner that none of them had been paying

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<v Speaker 1>attention to. He was wearing his iconic aviator glasses. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>been watching them for a while. I was appalled at

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<v Speaker 1>the chaotic scene unfolding in front of him. This was

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<v Speaker 1>serious business and not what superheroes were supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Hero like that, he informed them that he was looking

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<v Speaker 1>for human qualities that make superheroes great. They were going

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<v Speaker 1>to move to a secret layer, because, after all, their

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<v Speaker 1>identities were supposed to be kept secret. The mansion was

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<v Speaker 1>just a tease. They were ushered into an inconspicuous vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>to take them to their hideout, and by inconspicuous, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean a long and glaringly white limousine with disco lights

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<v Speaker 1>blasting from the inside. We're driving around a limo, around

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<v Speaker 1>and around, and we pulled up to kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>very nondescript building. And if you wouldn't have been able

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<v Speaker 1>to talent from outside, I remember that excitement of we

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<v Speaker 1>knew there was going to be a challenge, but we

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea what it was going to be. They

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<v Speaker 1>arrived at a storage facility with dumpsters and barbed wire

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<v Speaker 1>lining the street. It took the contestants a while before,

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<v Speaker 1>they spotted stan Lee on another screen. Stanley had a

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<v Speaker 1>message for them, quote, I'm afraid one of you will

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<v Speaker 1>not be allowed to enter. There happens to be a

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<v Speaker 1>spy amongst you. I've enlisted the help of one of

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<v Speaker 1>my assistants to infiltrate the group. I have to be

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<v Speaker 1>sure that all of you are here for the right reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>They all started pointing fingers. Then Roti Art stepped forward

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<v Speaker 1>spelled backwards. Is stradar. I've got all of you on

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<v Speaker 1>tape since the very beginning, watching all of your moves.

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<v Speaker 1>Pulling out footage from the party, rodi Art showcased multiple

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<v Speaker 1>examples of indecent superhero behavior. In a tense moment outside

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<v Speaker 1>the storage facility, Levity was eliminated. His plan to monetize

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<v Speaker 1>his superhero status with an action figure did not sit

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<v Speaker 1>well with the Great Stanley. One of the main qualities

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<v Speaker 1>of the superhero is selflessness. I understand you have a

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<v Speaker 1>toy shop and you hope to make millions on your character.

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<v Speaker 1>Superheroes were not supposed to be greedy. Levity never got

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<v Speaker 1>his chance to fulfill his dream of becoming a gay

0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:37.040
<v Speaker 1>superhero icon. His sudden departure sent shock waves through the

0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:41.080
<v Speaker 1>remaining heroes. Ship just got real. This probably would have

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<v Speaker 1>been a good time to remind everyone of the contracts

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<v Speaker 1>they had signed, which allegedly included a clause that the

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<v Speaker 1>producers could lie to their faces. But I'm willing to

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<v Speaker 1>bet that reading the fine print was not a superpower

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<v Speaker 1>that many in the group put to use on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>We walked through would look like a sweatshop. There was

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<v Speaker 1>these people sitting there, so seen, soing, and all factory going.

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<v Speaker 1>The remaining ten superheroes found a rickety old elevator. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a warning sign on the door. After a few

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<v Speaker 1>moments of hesitation, they decided to go in. The elevator

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<v Speaker 1>took them up to a darkened floor. Then the lights

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<v Speaker 1>came on and they were standing in a huge room

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<v Speaker 1>with tall ceilings lined with candle light. The furniture was

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<v Speaker 1>draped with velvet. There was even a hot tub. They

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<v Speaker 1>had finally made it to their secret layer. Major Victory

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<v Speaker 1>was psyched. When you got into it, you felt more

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<v Speaker 1>like a superhero, you know what I mean? Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>check this. Look at all the red brick kind of

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<v Speaker 1>goes with my outfit. Nice cool, But the heroes were

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<v Speaker 1>also a bit wary. It wasn't just the production team,

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<v Speaker 1>but the heroes were suspicious of They didn't trust each

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<v Speaker 1>other either. On the first night, Fat Mama overheard a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot of superhero bitching going on in the layers

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<v Speaker 1>hot tub. I was on one side of the curtain

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<v Speaker 1>and Lamaria Nitro creature where in the hot tub, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they didn't know I was on the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of the curtain, and they were saying, oh, Fat Boma

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<v Speaker 1>was definitely going first. You don't even need to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>He can't do nothing. But you know, all this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>I've never said that. That hurt my feelers, but at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time it gave me determination that I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>show them. You know, the superheroes hadn't even started competing

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<v Speaker 1>against each other, but already there were personality conflicts and

0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:33.119
<v Speaker 1>rivalries were simmering. After tiling off, it was time to

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<v Speaker 1>get some rest. The next day, the heroes would do

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<v Speaker 1>battle for real in a series of outlandish challenges that

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<v Speaker 1>would push their powers to the limit. That's coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>The superheroes were all assembled at Pershing Square, a paved

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<v Speaker 1>park in downtown Los Angeles. It was time for the

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<v Speaker 1>first challenge. Their mission was to make it from one

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<v Speaker 1>end of the park to the other as quickly as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time they do inconspicuously change into their

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<v Speaker 1>full superhero outfit. I think Clark can't turning into Superman

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<v Speaker 1>and the telephone booth but while running at the same time.

0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.399
<v Speaker 1>It was cheesy from the get go. Monkey Woman scaled

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<v Speaker 1>a treat to change into her outfit, then somersaulted back

0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:35.080
<v Speaker 1>down to the ground. The Iron Enforcer sprinted through the

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<v Speaker 1>park brandishing a homemade laser gun. Then it was Fat

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<v Speaker 1>Mama's turn. I though, I can't outrun these guys and

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<v Speaker 1>all the younger people and stuff, but I'll just go

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<v Speaker 1>through as they asked. She rounded a corner and saw

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<v Speaker 1>something unusual and so what does he look? Come on,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw this little girl crying, and I stopped and

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<v Speaker 1>asked her was she okay? And she was saying she

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<v Speaker 1>lost her parents and stuff. And then there was a

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<v Speaker 1>sign over to the side that says security. So I

0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:15.000
<v Speaker 1>ran her in there and I ran, you know, took

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<v Speaker 1>her to security. There was a trick at play that

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<v Speaker 1>Stanley didn't reveal. Here's director Rick tell Us. We put

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<v Speaker 1>a little girl next to a fountain who was lost

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<v Speaker 1>and she needed her mom. And we wanted to see

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<v Speaker 1>who would stop and throw the challenge and help that

0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:39.000
<v Speaker 1>little girl. And that was the real challenge. Major Victory

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<v Speaker 1>also spotted the secret challenge and decided to ramp up

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<v Speaker 1>the drama just a little. I think I said, who

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<v Speaker 1>is this child's mother? I did by d J Boys Blue.

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<v Speaker 1>He proceeded to carry the little girl heroically to security office.

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<v Speaker 1>Lemuria also decided to help the girl, but she had

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<v Speaker 1>a different problem. I just were running in these crazy heels.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not recommend that for any in the future,

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<v Speaker 1>and wants to create a superior costumers do not use.

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<v Speaker 1>Still let him feels, and then there was feedback. Things

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<v Speaker 1>were going wrong and the zippers were not going up

0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.600
<v Speaker 1>and clasps were not clasping, and I was like, oh man.

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<v Speaker 1>After a struggle behind some porter parties, feedback was finally

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<v Speaker 1>suited up. As he was running, some straps from his

0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:27.720
<v Speaker 1>costume fell off in front of the girl. All I

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<v Speaker 1>saw was that archway and I flew past. After he

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<v Speaker 1>was done, the production team asked him how he thought

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<v Speaker 1>he did, and then they said, so, did you see

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<v Speaker 1>anything unusual? And I said unusual. No, they said, you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't see a little girl, and I thought, oh I missed.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I'm done. Made me on the rooftop in time

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<v Speaker 1>for an elimination. All the contestants were called up to

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<v Speaker 1>the rooftop of their secret layer in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the night. They stood on glowing cubes with the lights

0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:06.640
<v Speaker 1>of l A glittering behind them. It was the first

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<v Speaker 1>of many supposedly epic game show eliminations. Stanley was peering

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<v Speaker 1>down on them from a big screen. Once again, here's Lemuria.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's all very dramatic, and none of you know

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<v Speaker 1>who's leaving. You're all packed. I think we had to

0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:21.760
<v Speaker 1>pack up every single time. Stan was disappointed at the

0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:25.440
<v Speaker 1>six contestants that missed the little girl. This obviously wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a test of speed. The girl was practically screaming for help.

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<v Speaker 1>Stand calls on three of the failures to explain themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the end, Nitro g gets sent home Nitrogen

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<v Speaker 1>Turn into your costume. He changed out in plain sight

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<v Speaker 1>and totally missed the girl. He was both the youngest

0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:48.480
<v Speaker 1>contestant and the biggest comic book collector of all of them.

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<v Speaker 1>When he heard the news, he solemnly pulled off his

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<v Speaker 1>gloves and threw them into a nearby trash can. Fat

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<v Speaker 1>Mama felt relieved. I laughed so hard because I said

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I was gonna be the wanted to go home.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, okay, so Fat Mama didn't go home.

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<v Speaker 1>Feedback took the results of the challenge to heart. I

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<v Speaker 1>was crushed. I felt like I had disappointed stand and

0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:19.800
<v Speaker 1>disappointed myself. I thought I knew the trick, and therefore

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<v Speaker 1>I closed my mind off to other things, and so

0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:30.040
<v Speaker 1>being authentic was really the right way to go. And

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<v Speaker 1>my most authentic self is Captain Oblivious. The contestants all

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<v Speaker 1>lived together in a house and were filmed intensively every

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<v Speaker 1>day for two weeks. Each episode took about three days

0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:46.080
<v Speaker 1>to film. There wasn't a huge budget for the show,

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<v Speaker 1>and the contestants suffered as a result. You go into

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<v Speaker 1>the bath room, it was like it's no white the

0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:55.840
<v Speaker 1>seventh Awards. There's these lines of twin side beds and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, we gotta sleep in here, all next to

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<v Speaker 1>each other. We all thought we would getting their own

0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 1>bed room, so maybe two to a room. So you

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<v Speaker 1>never thought she was gonna be sleeping in a room

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<v Speaker 1>for growing the dope. You know, at night they say

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<v Speaker 1>good night John. You know you say good night to

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<v Speaker 1>each person going down the line. As well as sharing

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<v Speaker 1>a bedroom, there was only one bathroom between them all.

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<v Speaker 1>They often slept with their shoes next to their beds

0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:24.000
<v Speaker 1>in case a challenge was sprung on them during the night.

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<v Speaker 1>Living on top of each other for days and days

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<v Speaker 1>on end, the contestants started to get more and more tired.

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<v Speaker 1>According to La Mauria, tensions were starting to build. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so fat Mama really got reality, Like she really understood,

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<v Speaker 1>like she was gonna push buttons and kind of make

0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:44.600
<v Speaker 1>things happen and be in the middle of all the craziness. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But she, oh man, she got so she would just

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<v Speaker 1>pick at me a little. She was just a little.

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<v Speaker 1>It was something you're like, Okay, cool, I can handle that.

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:54.960
<v Speaker 1>That's fine. Just get on my nerves, Okay, she just oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I was getting pissed. There wasn't time for the contestants

0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:01.439
<v Speaker 1>to hold drudges for long. The filming schedule was packed

0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:05.320
<v Speaker 1>with challenge after challenge designed to put their superhero qualities

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<v Speaker 1>to the test. By the second week of filming, the

0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:12.840
<v Speaker 1>superheroes overcrowded bedroom was getting emptier and emptier. There were

0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:17.639
<v Speaker 1>only four superheroes still standing, Lemuria, Fat Mama, Major victory

0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:20.440
<v Speaker 1>and feedback. They had to battle it out in a

0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:24.680
<v Speaker 1>questionable challenge that would prove fateful for the ending. The

0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:27.800
<v Speaker 1>remaining heroes were standing in the kitchen eating fruit before

0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Stanley appeared on a screen. He said, very shortly, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>meet some hardened criminals. All of them are incarcerated as

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<v Speaker 1>we speak. They'll spend some quality time with them in

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<v Speaker 1>an effort to show them the error of their ways.

0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:45.480
<v Speaker 1>The challenge was to prevent these criminals from reoffending. The

0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:48.159
<v Speaker 1>superheroes were genuinely nervous as they got taken to the

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<v Speaker 1>prison to meet the convicts. It was a big sandy

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<v Speaker 1>yard surrounded by tall fences and barbed wire. The whole

0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 1>setup was fantastically absurd. The spandex, the minivan, the orange

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:03.600
<v Speaker 1>jump suits, and the camo clad prison guard brandishing liability

0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:08.280
<v Speaker 1>contracts that assumed any in all risks, including death. What's

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:10.879
<v Speaker 1>more is that the superheroes had also been given secret

0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:14.280
<v Speaker 1>tasks to complete. In their encounter with the prisoners, La

0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Mauria had to sit on an inmates lap for ten seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>This challenge felt particularly gross to me, especially the use

0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 1>of prisoners comic relief. Unsurprisingly, Lea Maria felt uncomfortable with

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:29.560
<v Speaker 1>the situation that the producers had put her in. I

0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:32.800
<v Speaker 1>was really tired. I was so tired, and I hadn't

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:35.119
<v Speaker 1>been sleeping. I tried to give people a great deal

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:38.200
<v Speaker 1>of respect for their personal space, for their personal body.

0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:40.560
<v Speaker 1>So for me personally, I kind of felt a little

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:43.560
<v Speaker 1>bit weird being in somebody's personal space that had already

0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:46.920
<v Speaker 1>been in prison, that had already been um it was

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 1>already paying their dues. I didn't want to be more disrespectful.

0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:52.879
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter if I'm on a TV show, it

0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter if I'm you know, in a really cool costume.

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:59.160
<v Speaker 1>It does not give me the right to invade another

0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:01.879
<v Speaker 1>human being space, and especially a human being there's a

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:04.920
<v Speaker 1>point in their life that they're not doing great. But

0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 1>in the world of Stanley, all is not as it seems.

0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:11.960
<v Speaker 1>It turns out the prisoners were all actors. Lamuria was

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:14.639
<v Speaker 1>actually talking to dot Marie Jones, who would go on

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 1>to play Coach Sheldon on Glee. She was sitting on

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:20.440
<v Speaker 1>a chair with an angry demeanor, legs sprawled out in

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 1>front of her. Her red hair was messy and unkempt.

0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 1>In a desperate attempt to complete her challenge, La Mauria

0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 1>abruptly tried to sit on the coach's lap without consent.

0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:33.480
<v Speaker 1>The actress shoved her away and angrily stormed off again.

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:35.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry if I disrespected you in anyway. I really,

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 1>I really are. Feedback, on the other hand, had to

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:45.639
<v Speaker 1>hug an inmate three times. I don't think being phony

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:48.920
<v Speaker 1>has any part of being superhero. So the only way

0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 1>that I'm going to hug that person is if I

0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:54.920
<v Speaker 1>feel a genuine response to hug. The fake convict asked

0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 1>to have his handcuffs removed. The man was apparently in

0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:01.600
<v Speaker 1>jail for four counts of murder. Feedback asked if he

0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 1>felt any remorse for his victims families, and the man

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:09.040
<v Speaker 1>replied no, because my own father was murdered. In return,

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Feedback opened up with his own story. He revealed, and

0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:15.720
<v Speaker 1>when he was a kid, his father took his own life.

0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what your life was like, but I

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 1>know what it's like to leave to dad when my

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:28.320
<v Speaker 1>dad died. I started getting back into the Spider Man

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:32.600
<v Speaker 1>comic books, but for me. I was searching for father

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:36.240
<v Speaker 1>figures and the character of Peter Parker, the decisions he

0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 1>would make. I took that and was integrating that like

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 1>a father figure almost. But it wasn't Peter Parker that

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I was looking at as the father figure. It was

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 1>the creator of the stories, the writing, and that was

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:52.760
<v Speaker 1>stan Lee. The producers had no idea. This emotional exchange

0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 1>turned into a big hug, and Feedback managed to complete

0:28:56.000 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 1>his secret task. Later, at that night's elimination ceremony, Stanley

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 1>announced that he'd won a place in the next round.

0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Feedback thanked his father figure with tears in his eyes.

0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:10.120
<v Speaker 1>The episode was a real emotional roller coaster and reminded

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:11.960
<v Speaker 1>me of a lot of the time I spent with

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 1>the real life superheroes, especially those moments where one minute

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 1>I would be thinking this is all so ridiculous, and

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 1>then the next moment I would be so moved by

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>the work the superheroes were doing and by their dedication

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:27.560
<v Speaker 1>to bettering their community, even if it was in this

0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 1>really bonkers way. Unfortunately for Lemuria, she was the only

0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 1>one who failed to complete the prisoner challenge. Stan told

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:37.960
<v Speaker 1>her it was time to pack her bags. I was

0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 1>incredibly sad to leave from outside. It's kind of like

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 1>this wacky show, I think, but for inside and being

0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 1>with the people that were on it and doing these challenges,

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 1>and we got to go in an amazing adventure and

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 1>experiencing that adventure. And then when stance like, well, you're done,

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 1>and then these other people get to keep on going,

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:00.480
<v Speaker 1>you kind of you just just want a little our taste,

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.480
<v Speaker 1>a little half. And you know, I think I cried

0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:04.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot because I wasn't going to be able to

0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 1>do that. In the Battle of the Real Life Superheroes,

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 1>there were now only three contestants remaining. Superheroes can lonely

0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 1>get harder from here, but I suspect the three of

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 1>you will be up to it. Yes, sir, Yes, sir. Sleepwell,

0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Tomorrow is a new day that's coming up. As Who

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Wants to Be a Superhero reached its climax, the challenges

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 1>got even more absurd. The three remaining contestants, Fat Mama,

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 1>Feedback and Major Victory had to win over a tough

0:30:56.400 --> 0:31:00.360
<v Speaker 1>jury of fourth graders with their origin stories and super hours.

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Then they hunted for a super villain and a shopping center.

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:07.960
<v Speaker 1>They were also shown their potential comic book covers a

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 1>k A their passport to immortality. When our first side

0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 1>to be honest, I was like, why do you make

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 1>me look so mean? The face was so mean. Fat

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Mama wasn't sure about her own comic book, but she

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 1>could see from Feedback's face how much surprise meant to him.

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Back in the Secret Layer in between challenges, Fat Mama

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 1>was worried. She had a bad feeling that Feedback was

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>going to be eliminated. The fourth graders had been confused

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 1>by the explanation of his powers, and he lost out

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 1>in the race to hunt for the super villain. At

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 1>the mall, Fat Mama and Major Victory, we're going to

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 1>be finalists. The producers had already planned to fly Major

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Victory's daughter out for an emotional finale. He wanted to

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 1>be a hero in her life, and the producers could

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 1>smell the tears. Fat Mama locked herself in the bathroom

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 1>and asked to speak to the production team. I told

0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 1>them to eliminate me and let the two boys do

0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 1>it and have it because they really wanted it, and

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:09.720
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't see taking that from someone. When I came

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:12.680
<v Speaker 1>in and I wasn't really even into the prize, and

0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:15.320
<v Speaker 1>when I look at Feedback, it was like I couldn't

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:17.760
<v Speaker 1>do it to him, you know, I was like, I

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 1>need to go fat. Mama wasn't even into comic books. Now,

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 1>maybe if it was two or three million dollars, we

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 1>might be talking something something totally different. The producers were

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:32.040
<v Speaker 1>in a difficult position. Feedback didn't want to go home,

0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 1>but he understood their dilemma. It made sense for her

0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:39.200
<v Speaker 1>to win this show. As an audience member, I would

0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 1>have wanted her to win the show because then it

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 1>would send the message of everybody can be a superhero.

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:47.240
<v Speaker 1>It's about how you treat other people and how you

0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:51.920
<v Speaker 1>face different challenges. There was another complication too. Before his

0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Superhero days, major victory was in a dance group called

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 1>the California dream Men. They were a bit like an

0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 1>off brand Chippendale's. Apparently they were huge in Italy stand

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:07.240
<v Speaker 1>and the producers were conflicted about major victories dancing days. Apparently,

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 1>according to them, stripping didn't qualify as a heroic activity.

0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm noticing a pattern with you. No matter what I say,

0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:21.840
<v Speaker 1>no matter what I do, you just can't see to

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:25.960
<v Speaker 1>keep your clothes up. Personally, I think it takes a

0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>lot of courage to get naked in front of strangers.

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 1>It also seems like a skill that would come in

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:33.560
<v Speaker 1>handy if you wanted to, I don't know, seduce a supervillain.

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.960
<v Speaker 1>But ultimately Major Victory's fate was in the hands of Stanley,

0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:43.640
<v Speaker 1>known skeptic of male strippers. Up on the roof of

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:47.040
<v Speaker 1>the layer stand, summoned the three remaining superheroes for one

0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:50.400
<v Speaker 1>more elimination ceremony. They took their places on the glowing

0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:53.280
<v Speaker 1>cube shaped podiums to face the music one more time

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 1>before the grand finale. From up on a giant TV

0:33:56.440 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 1>screen disguise as a billboard, Stanley glared down at them

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 1>and now that one hero would be eliminated, Major Victory,

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing surreal because you're up there, They're trying

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:12.279
<v Speaker 1>to dissect everything you did wrong, you know what I mean,

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:16.440
<v Speaker 1>to justify you leaving, and you just felt, wow, this

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:21.560
<v Speaker 1>is coming to Then Stanley told him it accomplished his mission.

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 1>He had become a hero to his daughter. The producers

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:28.920
<v Speaker 1>handed him a phone and they put my daughter on

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 1>the line, and I lose it and it just feels

0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 1>so final, and it felt good um to connect with her.

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 1>It was cathartic and I really grew from it, and

0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I got to connect with my daughter. I got to

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:49.920
<v Speaker 1>meet some amazing people, do some really fun things, to

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:53.000
<v Speaker 1>meet my wife. It's like one of the best experiences

0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I've ever had in my life. It was time for

0:34:57.160 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 1>the final showdown between Fat Mama and Feedback. Okay, my

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:03.560
<v Speaker 1>money was on Fat Mama. For the next challenge, our

0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 1>two remaining heroes were sent to stunt school to learn

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 1>the action packed moves that any self respecting superhero should

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:12.719
<v Speaker 1>be able to perform with ease. We're going to teach

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:20.200
<v Speaker 1>you to flaw using that green screen over there. Under

0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:23.440
<v Speaker 1>the watchful eye of a Hollywood stunt coordinator, Feedback launched

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:26.879
<v Speaker 1>himself again and again onto a crash mat. Fat Mama

0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 1>traded punches with an instructor before flooring Feedback with a

0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:35.320
<v Speaker 1>right hook and a kick to the stomach. Here we go.

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Then they were grilled by Stanley in a final interview.

0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:44.239
<v Speaker 1>This is the last chance I'll have to speak with you,

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:48.160
<v Speaker 1>and I want to learn more about you, not your character.

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:51.279
<v Speaker 1>And finally, Fat Mama and Feedback were taken to the

0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Universal Studio CityWalk shopping center. They were greeted by a

0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:58.480
<v Speaker 1>cheering crowd and Stanley beaming down from his giant screen.

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 1>We wrote around the World's Next Grade. High up on

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:11.080
<v Speaker 1>a balcony podium, overlooking the crowd, Fat Mama reflected on

0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:14.200
<v Speaker 1>what she and Feedback had shared. Me and him are

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:17.279
<v Speaker 1>the only two that went through every single task, and

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 1>we got to experience everything. We got to see the

0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:25.000
<v Speaker 1>heartache and the laughter and the joy. Feedback's heart was pounding.

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.520
<v Speaker 1>I had no idea what was happening. They told us

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 1>to write two different speeches, one as a winning speech,

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 1>one is a concession speech. And I didn't spend any

0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:38.719
<v Speaker 1>time on the winning speech because I completely convinced that

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:41.759
<v Speaker 1>Fat Mama was gonna win. For the final showdown, the

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:44.600
<v Speaker 1>producers rolled an action movie sequence of the two heroes

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:48.000
<v Speaker 1>dueling and evil villain called dragon Breath in the Last

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 1>Chance to prove their super credentials. Well, if it isn't

0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Mr dragon Breath, we're going down, Fat Mama. The producers

0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:58.839
<v Speaker 1>through in all the special effects that a mid tier

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:03.120
<v Speaker 1>reality TV show could forward. There were meteors, fire breathing dragons,

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:07.960
<v Speaker 1>and even a giant chicken rampaging Godzilla style through skyscrapers.

0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Then the dust settled, intense music ramped up up on

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:19.680
<v Speaker 1>his godlike TV screen, Stand bowed his head solemnly and

0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:22.160
<v Speaker 1>declared the time had come for him to make the

0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 1>ultimate decision. After evaluating all the challenges over the course

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:34.759
<v Speaker 1>of the season, the winner was Feedback. And then stan

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:37.279
<v Speaker 1>Lee comes out, and so my my mind was just

0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:41.120
<v Speaker 1>jumping up to different levels que the big fake explosions.

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:44.200
<v Speaker 1>As Stand the manly strolled over to meet Feedback in

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 1>real life. They shared a big hug, which was a

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 1>dream come true for the nerd of all comic book nerds.

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:54.279
<v Speaker 1>Then Feedback literally flew off into space in a big

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:58.040
<v Speaker 1>flurry of bad c g. I. There were a lot

0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 1>of people that thought I was just this attention seeking

0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:04.040
<v Speaker 1>crazy guy. But it wasn't about getting attention. It was

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:08.279
<v Speaker 1>about fulfilling something inside of me. And at that moment

0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:12.719
<v Speaker 1>of winning, I felt validation. I felt a purpose fulfilled

0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 1>After blowing all that money on the giant c g

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I chicken, maybe the producers didn't have any budget left

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 1>or stands appearance fee because he didn't stick around to

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:24.720
<v Speaker 1>explain what exactly the superhero qualities were that made Feedback

0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:27.359
<v Speaker 1>a winner. If you ask me, it seems like kind

0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 1>of a cop out considering that it was meant to

0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:32.080
<v Speaker 1>be the whole point of the show. But talking to

0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:36.720
<v Speaker 1>his fellow contestants, they had some theories. An incredibly humble,

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:39.959
<v Speaker 1>loving human being that would literally you could see himba

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 1>a fireman that would just save people's lives without any

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.240
<v Speaker 1>thought of their own. That is that man. But Feedback

0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 1>sees it differently. It was Fat Mama's competition. In my mind,

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:52.759
<v Speaker 1>Fat Mama is the one, you know who won, and

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm still runner up to her because I think she's amazing,

0:38:57.760 --> 0:39:00.319
<v Speaker 1>and I still think the only reason why she didn't

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:02.960
<v Speaker 1>win this because basically she said she didn't want to win.

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.400
<v Speaker 1>As for me, I was happy for Feedback. Being a

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 1>superhero clearly meant a lot to him. After all, he'd

0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:12.200
<v Speaker 1>been dressing up like Spider Man since he was young,

0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:15.480
<v Speaker 1>and Fat Mama seemed perfectly happy to let Feedback have

0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:18.800
<v Speaker 1>all the glory. After the show, many of the contestants

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 1>remained friends, and some went on to make appearance as

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 1>at comic book conventions and gigs within the superhero community.

0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Some of them used their superhero characters to become real

0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:30.560
<v Speaker 1>life superheroes who went out on the streets and patrolled,

0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:34.400
<v Speaker 1>just like Phoenix Jones. As for feedback, he never became

0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:38.560
<v Speaker 1>the next Spider Man. Despite overcoming six episodes worth of obstacles,

0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:42.440
<v Speaker 1>his character faded into obscurity. He was even promised a

0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:44.800
<v Speaker 1>role in a TV movie on the Sci Fi Channel,

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:48.000
<v Speaker 1>but all he ended up getting was a cameo. At

0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:50.000
<v Speaker 1>one point, he was asked to do a new TV

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:53.640
<v Speaker 1>show with our old friend Phoenix Jones. In true Phoenix

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Jones style, he was mid crisis on his way to

0:39:56.520 --> 0:39:59.240
<v Speaker 1>the hospital one night he gave me a call because

0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:01.520
<v Speaker 1>he had been He had like a shaft of a

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:04.319
<v Speaker 1>knife like stuck in his leg. The show they talked

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:07.080
<v Speaker 1>about never came to fruition and the two heroes never

0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:11.239
<v Speaker 1>spoke again. But for feedback, it was never about the

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 1>TV deals. They offered this prize of immortality and getting

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:18.200
<v Speaker 1>your own comic book and stuff like that. But for

0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:21.400
<v Speaker 1>me then end now, the prize was always being on

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:24.880
<v Speaker 1>the show. And I think what the show is about

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<v Speaker 1>is identity, you know, finding your people and making them

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, wow, there's some validation there. This It's not

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<v Speaker 1>just me who likes this stuff. It's enough people where

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to make a TV show about it. We

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<v Speaker 1>live in the age of the slick, six pack filled

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<v Speaker 1>superhero industrial complex, where a new Marvel or DC movie

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<v Speaker 1>gets pumped out every couple of months. It's easy to

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<v Speaker 1>forget there was a time not so long ago and

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<v Speaker 1>being into superheroes wasn't that cool to me? Who wants

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<v Speaker 1>to be a superhero? Feels like an extension of the

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<v Speaker 1>real life superhero movement. It's one of the few places

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<v Speaker 1>in popular media that represented regular folks who created their

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<v Speaker 1>own original superhero personas. In the years following the show,

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<v Speaker 1>superheroes became a dominant force in popular culture. But strangely,

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<v Speaker 1>the rise and popularity of comic book superheroes was not

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<v Speaker 1>accompanied by a rise in real life superheroes. I've always

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<v Speaker 1>found that puzzling. Maybe it's because we are increasingly living

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<v Speaker 1>our lives online so there's less actual real life happening

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<v Speaker 1>in general, or maybe he was always going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a fringe movement. But even if they are small in number,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad they're out there suiting up and patrolling their neighborhoods,

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<v Speaker 1>helping people in need, and making the streets a little

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<v Speaker 1>more exciting. I do wonder what Stanley would think of

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<v Speaker 1>the real life superheroes who were inspired by his writing

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<v Speaker 1>to take on the real world problems dressed as superheroes.

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<v Speaker 1>I did come across a quote of his and which

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<v Speaker 1>he talked about why he created characters like the X

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<v Speaker 1>Men and the Fantastic Four. He said, vote we were

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<v Speaker 1>fascinated by science and awed by the mysteries of the

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<v Speaker 1>great beyond. Today we consider a nearer, deeper, unknown one

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<v Speaker 1>inside ourselves. We asked, what is more real a world

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<v Speaker 1>that we were born into or the one we create ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>The Superhero Complex is hosted and written by Me, David Weinberg,

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<v Speaker 1>and reported by Me, Amalia Sortland and Caroline Thornham. Production

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<v Speaker 1>from Amalia Shortland and Caroline Thornham. Sean Glenn, Max O'Brien

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<v Speaker 1>and David Waters are executive producers. Fact checking by Andrew Schwartz,

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<v Speaker 1>Production management from Shari Houston, Frankie Taylor and Charlotte Wolf.

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<v Speaker 1>Sound design, mixing and scoring by Eli Block and Daniel Kempson.

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<v Speaker 1>Music supervision by Nicholas Alexander and David Waters. Original music

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<v Speaker 1>is composed by Paul Housden. Special thanks to Peter Tangent,

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<v Speaker 1>Willard Foxton, Matt o'mera, Katrina Norvelle Beth and Macaluso, or

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<v Speaker 1>In Rosenbaum, Shelby Shenkman, and all the team at U

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<v Speaker 1>t A. For more from Novel, visit novel dot audio