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Speaker 2: Welcome to This League Uncut in the rule of twenty

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Speaker 1: News, this news you'll.

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Speaker 2: Chris Haynes, it's so time, work's time, it's so time.

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Speaker 2: This League Uncut is underway and on fire. This should

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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome in to the latest edition of This

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Speaker 1: League Uncut. Mark Stein here with Chris Haynes, Taping on

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Speaker 1: a Sunday night. It'll be Monday morning by the time

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Speaker 1: this episode drops. Where within three weeks, now less than

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Speaker 1: three weeks to go until the NBA trade buzzer February eighth,

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Speaker 1: Well tell me this. I know you said you can't

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about Kyle Kuzma in Washington, a

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Speaker 1: Boston Celtics. And so Washington traded away two former All

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Speaker 1: Stars and got back no first round picks. You know

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Speaker 1: that the Wizards want to make up for all the

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Speaker 1: first rounders they didn't get when they had to send

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Speaker 1: Bial and Porzingis away. And so I'm gonna that's something

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Speaker 1: I think, besides the Jonte Murray, besides Bruce Brown, I

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Speaker 1: think that's one of the most significant stories that we

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Speaker 1: really need to watch here in these last two plus

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Speaker 1: weeks before the deadline. Will anyone out there come up

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Speaker 1: with the draft capital needed to satisfy the Wizards and

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Speaker 1: pry a Kuzma, a Gafford, or a Tias Jones away.

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Speaker 3: From them m And again regarding Kuzma, they want a

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Speaker 3: return that was loftier than what Toronto got for Pascal Huh.

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Speaker 1: And the re And here's in.

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Speaker 3: Terms of get the reason yea, in terms of picks.

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Speaker 1: Because look, the Raptors got three first round picks, but

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Speaker 1: two of them are in this coming draft, which the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four draft is much maligned. So getting two

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Speaker 1: firsts in the twenty twenty four draft doesn't really wow people.

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Speaker 1: They did get a twenty twenty six pick from Indiana,

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Speaker 1: that's I believe top four protected. But the draft capital

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Speaker 1: that Toronto got in the trade has not been treated

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Speaker 1: as some absolute Rudy gobert as call. And that's why

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Speaker 1: I think the Raptors are so excited about this ability

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Speaker 1: to maybe do something with Bruce Brown in the next

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Speaker 1: two plus weeks so they can make the overall package

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Speaker 1: they got for Siakam look better on paper than it

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Speaker 1: does right now.

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Speaker 3: Hmm, okay, I do want to say something. I want

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Speaker 3: to go back a little bit Portland. We're talking about Portland.

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Speaker 3: You brought up Malcolm Brogden. He's somebody to look out

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Speaker 3: for as well at the deadline. I do want to

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Speaker 3: say this Stein on my last I believe it was

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Speaker 3: my last Bleacher live stream I did where I had

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Speaker 3: use of nurkice.

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Speaker 1: On your second guys, second.

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Speaker 3: And last, thank you, second and last. I have Phoenix

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Speaker 3: Sun centered use of nurkice on and y'all go look

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Speaker 3: that up. I haven't seen it, Stein said he can.

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Speaker 3: You can go back and go on VRS page and

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Speaker 3: go look at my interviews on my live streams. But

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Speaker 3: I had nurkice on and I reported prior to Nurkish

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Speaker 3: coming on, and I reported about the Suns out there

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Speaker 3: in the market for a defensive wing, for a Ford

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Speaker 3: type player, and Nurkis came on and I told Nurk

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Speaker 3: and I said, yeah, I just reported about you know,

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Speaker 3: the Suns, this is what they're looking for, looking for

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Speaker 3: athletic for that's what they're looking for. And they're not

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Speaker 3: in the market for a point guard. And I told

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Speaker 3: nurk that, and so he started talking, you know, he

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Speaker 3: started talking about like, you know, he can see that,

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Speaker 3: he can see the need for that. But then he

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Speaker 3: brought up Brogden by himself. He said, but if there's

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Speaker 3: somebody like Brogden as available, I don't know how you

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Speaker 3: can't try to go after him and try to get him.

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Speaker 3: Y'all might want to check that out. I'm paraphrasing what

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Speaker 3: he said. But he brought up Brogden out the blue.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't even asked about him, didn't ask about him. I

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Speaker 3: didn't say anything about him. I didn't even mention the

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Speaker 3: point guard. Again. I was reporting about the Suns feel

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Speaker 3: like they don't need a point guard because they got

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Speaker 3: so many players that need the ball in their hands,

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Speaker 3: and they don't want to take the ball out of

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Speaker 3: their three stars hands. When you're talking about Devin Booker,

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Speaker 3: Bradley Bill and Kevin Durant, and then Nurkish just unprompted

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Speaker 3: say hey, yeah, but if somebody like Brockdon is available,

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Speaker 3: I don't see how you don't try to go after them.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if you know, I don't know

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Speaker 3: if that's saying much. I don't know if that is.

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Speaker 3: You know, the front office may have its own obviously,

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Speaker 3: they have their own, their own idea of the front office.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. Last last time last I saw,

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Speaker 3: I think his title was center. That's the last last

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Speaker 3: I saw. The title was center. I don't think there

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Speaker 3: was no front office title. Uh, but it's still it's

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Speaker 3: still interesting, intriguing to hear from a player's standpoint, somebody

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Speaker 3: who's in the thick of it kind of hear what

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Speaker 3: they feel like they need. So y'all go check that

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Speaker 3: out when y'all get a chance.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we've at least covered in this time together.

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Speaker 1: We've found a way to mention numerous players who are

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Speaker 1: being talked about as the trade deadline approaches. We've discussed

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Speaker 1: a bunch of different scenarios and introduced some new trade ideas,

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Speaker 1: and we will do it again. You and I will

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Speaker 1: get together very soon, and I'm sure we will continue

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Speaker 1: to talk trade deadline. Remind me, what is your what

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Speaker 1: does your TV slate look like this week? Where you headed?

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Speaker 1: How many games do you.

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Speaker 3: Have just this week? I have one game this week,

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Speaker 3: but it's a very spicy, very spicy game. Going back

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Speaker 3: to La Baby Tuesday. Clippers Lakers.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, something tells me, Clippers Lakers you will.

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Speaker 1: When it was thunder at Clippers last week, you came

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Speaker 1: away from that with a notebook burst with Jim, so

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Speaker 1: I fully anticipate the same when you return from time

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Speaker 1: in that Clipper huddle with your guy Russ Lakers. Lebron's

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Speaker 1: got the special towels that no other player in the

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Speaker 1: NBA has. I remember that from his Cleveland days. He

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Speaker 1: has these industrial strength personal towels with him on the bench.

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Speaker 1: So I have no doubt that, even though it's only

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Speaker 1: a one game week for you instead of two in

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Speaker 1: terms of sideline assignments, by the time we do this again,

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Speaker 1: and I'm guessing it will be probably a Wednesday night taping.

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Speaker 1: Will pencil that in. You will have no shortage of

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Speaker 1: material to share with us.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm looking forward to it excited, and you know

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Speaker 3: you know how much I love La so very much

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Speaker 3: looking forward to But stein before you close, I want

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Speaker 3: to say something. I got a little bit of a

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Speaker 3: confirmation on the last story I told in our last

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Speaker 3: episode about how I like to go when I was

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Speaker 3: a kid, how I would go into restaurants and I

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Speaker 3: would go to the restroom and check out the restroom,

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Speaker 3: see how nice and tidy the restroom was, and that

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Speaker 3: would determine.

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Speaker 1: To be before you say it, before you say anything else.

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Speaker 1: So last week, after we ended the show not our

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Speaker 1: last show, we ended with ten minutes of urinal talk.

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Speaker 1: That was enough you felt you felt like you needed

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Speaker 1: to bring it back for one more.

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Speaker 3: I said yes, because I got confirmation. I am not alone.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, as y'all know, I have a great host

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Speaker 3: when I do my Bleacher Report live streams. Her name

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00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: is Page You probably most people probably know her as

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Speaker 3: that sports page PK. Before we did our live stream,

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Speaker 3: she said, Chris, I listened to you guys' podcast, and

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Speaker 3: she said, I have a friend who does is today.

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Speaker 3: She would go into the restroom today, not as a

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Speaker 3: kid when I did it. Today, she goes into the

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Speaker 3: restroom and she checks it out, and that gives her

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Speaker 3: some type of inclination or a feeling of how the

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Speaker 3: food is going to be. And just like I did,

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Speaker 3: she said, most oftentimes if the restroom is clean, the

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Speaker 3: food is good. And so she felt she felt very

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Speaker 3: strongly about sharing that with me, Stein, because she didn't

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Speaker 3: want me to feel like I was alone, like I

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Speaker 3: was alone in this world, out of place, like I

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Speaker 3: was an odd ball. So she confirmed that for me.

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Speaker 3: She said, there's a lot of other people like that,

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Speaker 3: and so I wanted to share that with people who

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Speaker 3: might have thought, why is Chris sharing his secret? Why

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Speaker 3: is Chris doing this? I'm doing it because there's more

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Speaker 3: of us out there, and I want us to all

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Speaker 3: to stand proud. And that is it. Stein.

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Speaker 1: I'm somewhat speechless. I was never questioning your strategy. My

574
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: only two questions about it were a why this was

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Speaker 1: such a focus for you at the age of six, seven,

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Speaker 1: and eight. I think in adulthood, I in adulthood I

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00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: would understand it more so. I'm not disputing the methodology

578
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Speaker 1: of it. It was really more that it took over

579
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: your mindset at such a young age, but really just

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Speaker 1: that you were like that, you felt that a ten

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Speaker 1: minute chunk of this league uncut should be devoted to

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Speaker 1: this topic. That was really more my curiosity.

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Speaker 3: Well, Steve Bamber, you have to remember Steve, Steve Bomber

584
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 3: opened the door he raved about the urinals. No, you're right,

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00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 3: so I can't.

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Speaker 1: I cannot dispute that. Ye, now that we talked, Now

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Speaker 1: that we've talked about it on two straight episodes, I

588
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: think we're done.

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Speaker 3: I think we're done. I think we put until until chapter.

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Speaker 1: Until the first time you or I go to the

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Speaker 1: into It dome and then.

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure, Oh no, it's coming back. There actually

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Speaker 3: no back there.

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Speaker 1: You said on the last episode. The most important thing

595
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Speaker 1: you said on the last episode was that Steve Balmer

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Speaker 1: wants to come on the show.

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Speaker 3: You say, oh, come on for sure?

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00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: All right, So we gotta we gotta stay on that

599
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Speaker 1: after the trade deadline and see if Steve Balmer will

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Speaker 1: come on. I might just have to mute and let

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Speaker 1: the two of you guys just take over, since I

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 3: So, let me apologize. Yes, So we have at minimum,

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Speaker 3: and I won't say minimum, we have max two more

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Speaker 3: episodes within the next two in the next seven or

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Speaker 3: eight months, of which Urino's will be brought back up,

607
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Speaker 3: because it will be brought up when we have Steve

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Speaker 3: Balmer on and it has to be brought up when

609
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Speaker 3: me and you fishlely a visit into it dome, because

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Speaker 3: I have to see if the fuss is really what

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Speaker 3: has been worked up to be. That's it two, and

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Speaker 3: that's it two for the rest of twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 3: and you won't hear no more talk from me. That's

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Speaker 3: it all right.

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Speaker 1: We will hold you to that promise, and we will

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Speaker 1: try in our next episode to bring it back and

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Speaker 1: keep it focused on the on rushing NBA trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: That will do it for this edition of This League Uncut.

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Speaker 1: As always, if you haven't already, please follow the show,

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Speaker 1: He'll be on the sidelines for TNT Tuesday Night Clippers

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Speaker 1: and Lakers at Crypto dot com arena. He and I

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Speaker 1: will get together as soon as possible after that to

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Speaker 1: record another episode of this show. Everyone, stay tuned, we

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Speaker 1: will be back with you.

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Speaker 2: Do it for us, See you next time.

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