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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to Hunting Collective a very special episode. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna say goodbye to Turkey season. It's over now

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Speaker 1: for most of us in the office, most of us

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Speaker 1: around the country. We had a great one. We had

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Speaker 1: a lot of great discussions on this podcast, a lot

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Speaker 1: of great content on the mediator dot com. But we're

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Speaker 1: gonna say goodbye the turk season. And and the only

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Speaker 1: way I could think to do it, and that's by

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Speaker 1: talking to Joannice a lot of vi an eagle, but

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Speaker 1: tell us probably the best turkey hunter on our crew,

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Speaker 1: although Ranella might argue, but we have Janni. We're talking,

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Speaker 1: and we're saying goodbye to the turkey season. We're talking

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Speaker 1: tips and tactics, we running gun, We're sitting get um

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Speaker 1: and reflecting on our interview guest for today, who is

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Speaker 1: Colonel Tom Kelly. Colonel Tim Kelly is ninety three years

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Speaker 1: of age as it stands. Throughout his life he's been

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Speaker 1: called the poet Laureate of turkey hunting, and and in

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Speaker 1: my mind is has done the best job of representing

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Speaker 1: turkey hunters and turkeys and our pursuit in the written

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Speaker 1: word ever maybe ever. So he's a legend, and it's

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Speaker 1: very specially sit down with him, probably the only podcast

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Speaker 1: he's ever done and ever will do you're about to hear,

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Speaker 1: So hopefully it stands up to the lofty goals of

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Speaker 1: his career. I've long wanted to meet Tom and have

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Speaker 1: a conversation with him, so hopefully you will enjoy it

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Speaker 1: as much as I did. But before we get to that,

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Speaker 1: wearing my muck boots out for musher money last week.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's a must if you live in the

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Speaker 1: or really anywhere else. If you're a duck hunter. Um,

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Speaker 1: you wear them shoveling the driveway in the wintertime. Whatever

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Speaker 1: I like him. Nobody told me to say that. I

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Speaker 1: without further ado, one of my favorite podcasts of all time,

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Speaker 1: coming right at you. Let's go. I guess I grew

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Speaker 1: up on an older road, a pared do the medal.

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Speaker 1: I always did what I told until I found out

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Speaker 1: that my brand new clothes, the games that can hand

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Speaker 1: from the rich kids next door, and I grew um

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Speaker 1: baths like it's like up. They have a thousand things

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Speaker 1: inside of my head. I wish I ain't saying and

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Speaker 1: now I just wanted to a real bad dream or

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Speaker 1: being a lack. I'm coming a part of the scenes,

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Speaker 1: but thank you, Jack Daniels. Hey, everybody, it's me Ben O'Brien,

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Speaker 1: I host this podcast, it's called The Hunting Collective, and

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Speaker 1: we're back on a very sad, sad day. It's June.

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Speaker 1: It'll be the June four when you're listening to this.

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Speaker 1: And this is kind of in memoriam two. Turkey Season.

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Speaker 1: She she was good to us this year. I feel like,

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Speaker 1: and and we got to move on to other things bears,

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Speaker 1: spring bear season, and then just like, what makes it

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Speaker 1: a female? What's that? What makes Turkey Season a female?

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Speaker 1: Just because I'm in love with her, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: the head of her sexual relationship. If you're saying I

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't judge anybody if they wanted to personified Turkey

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Speaker 1: the fall, but spring turkeys to me is just a different,

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Speaker 1: that was two days ago. And um, yeah it was

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Speaker 1: best for last, the best turkey season, save the best

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Speaker 1: But you know, just a few days prior to that,

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Speaker 1: in Michigan with a Jake because it was the last day.

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Speaker 1: just it's all gravy. I was. I was shooting for ten.

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Speaker 1: coming out there. He's shooting for ten. Then he reminded me,

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Speaker 1: don't I know, I live in Montana. Announced was sale

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Speaker 1: cunning and blah blah blah. But I've said this on

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Speaker 1: the last three years, I've said a goal of ten

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Speaker 1: So that's something that I've been trying to do. I

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Speaker 1: you don't have time to, Like if you're running a

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00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 1: slate call and you have to reach behind in some

425
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 1: extra pounch in your pack and so you have to

426
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 1: have the stuff accessible. With the vest, everything is successible. Yeah,

427
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 1: when I ran the Fannie pack though, I would just

428
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: like utilize all my pockets that have in my clothes

429
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: a lot more right, crow call and you know one

430
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: pocket slate in a cargo pocket striker, you know, in

431
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: the cargo pocket next to it, so it's not clicking

432
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: and banging. That makes sense, I think. So if you

433
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: can solve for accessibility with a pack on, if you

434
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: could wear like a pack for haul and stuff, and

435
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 1: then like a Fannie pack for carrying your essentials, or

436
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: if it's something like stone Glacier would have like a

437
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 1: little attachment for you know, your calls and whatnot. I

438
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 1: think you'd be solved. Whereas you have all this successibility

439
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: with a vest, but all the weight hangs around your waist.

440
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: I mean when you're traveling in in in mountain countries,

441
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: you're told to get to get the the load bearing

442
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: strap of your pack above your hips to carry the

443
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 1: weight better. You mean weights. You're burying the weight on

444
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: your shoulders in a vest. Yeah, well, all the weights

445
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: around your waist, which makes you bear the weight on

446
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: your shoulders, right, it's all that's there's no displacement of Yeah,

447
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: there's no hip belt. Yeah, there's nothing there. So you're

448
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: it's it's moving around. It's not. It's not real comfortable

449
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: to walk in, although once you get used to it,

450
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: you're you're used to it. But it is still the

451
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: way to distribute the weights that you're carrying sucks because

452
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: if you say that you put a decoy in the back.

453
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 1: You got all this box calls and slate calls and

454
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 1: flashlights and stuff in the front. It's hanging off your

455
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: body in a way that stresses decoy. Same thing. I

456
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: hunted with some guys in Montana this year. They were

457
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 1: packing deeks on their backpack and I was packing them

458
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: in the just giant game pouch of my vest, and man,

459
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: I could deploy and set up in half the time

460
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: that it was taking them. And they're like taking their

461
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 1: packs off, getting their snaps, and there's a turning packing up.

462
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 1: Same thing. I'm like, we got a boogie, let's go.

463
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm like in my little pouch and and I'm running

464
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, I gotta like get the bungee

465
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: cords out, hold on big loud snaps. Oh, snap this in,

466
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: snap this in the like, well the turkeys now gone.

467
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: Great pack. I still lean towards the vest for the

468
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 1: for the reasons I outlined there, but but I could

469
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 1: see why a pack would be important if you're in

470
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: the in the mountain West or somewhere, or you're getting

471
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: a lot of elevation game, you're driving a lot of miles.

472
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: Totally get all that. It's a great We'll continue to

473
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: have it, but maybe one day we'll create the meat

474
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: eater turkey best. It's perfect. I could definitely use uh

475
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: more minimal turkey best um and then some sort of

476
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: load bearing technology you know that would like yeah, okay,

477
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 1: that's that's right in with your ideas or send sent

478
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: us feedback. What's the ultimate turkey conveyance turkey carrying device? UM,

479
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: A vest pack if you will, the best pack? All right?

480
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: What else we got here? Do you? We're talking about

481
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: this a little bit earlier, running gun versus sit and get.

482
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: I've never heard sitting get. That's pretty good. Come up

483
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: with that. Nope, nope. One of my first editing when

484
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 1: I was working at the National Rifle Association as an

485
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: editor for American Hunter. One of my co workers wrote

486
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: the headline that was running gun or sitting Get. I'll

487
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: use that for the rest of my actor hand days

488
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: because it really does kind of you have like the

489
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: micro elements of making that decision, but then the macro

490
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 1: element of what kind of turkey hunter? Am? I? Like,

491
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: what's my philosophy? Okay, I see what you're saying, because

492
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, I was like, isn't this

493
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: podcast all about nuance? Because the answer falls somewhere in

494
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: between the two. Thanks for bringing that up, Jannie, there's

495
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: certainly no bullshit here, But no, I think your general

496
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: philosophy is like what do I tend to do? And

497
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: then in the moment, what do I decide? Can you

498
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: just scribe it to like what would make me want

499
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: one or another? So if you're a sit and get hunter, right,

500
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: if you're a guy that likes to stay put, you're

501
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: generally going to locate a turkey and plant yourself in

502
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: an area close to it where it would where it

503
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: would funnel tours or where it might tend to travel,

504
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: and sit there and stay there hours hours. You're sitting

505
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: on a food plot. You're playing the game he's gonna

506
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 1: come by here eventually, and I'm going the game that

507
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm playing is my patients will win out. This turkey

508
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: is gonna want to be in this field strutting or

509
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: whatever he would be doing. It's a pinch point and

510
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: then whatever in the timber. So that's the sitt and

511
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: get hunter. You would tend to do that. So if

512
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: the bird flies off the roost, he doesn't come to

513
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: your little field at the spot you've set up. He

514
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: starts going to a place where you know you might

515
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: be able to kill him. Like I think I'll back off.

516
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,719
Speaker 1: That's to not pressure him. He's gonna come back by

517
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: here eventually. As a running gun guy, you might start

518
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 1: off thinking, while I'll sit here and see if he'll

519
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: come by where I'm at. But you can't just can't

520
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: take it patients, you're lacking patients, or maybe you have

521
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: this Turkey hunting hubris build in that you think you

522
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: can outsmart him and you think you can do it

523
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: quicker than being the guy that sits and wait. So

524
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: the guy maybe we're talking about, like the running gun

525
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: guys a gambler, and the sitting good guy or gal

526
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: is is more is patient, he lays in weight. Man,

527
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: I've definitely have been both of them this Turkey season,

528
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: and uh, I can tell. And maybe I had more

529
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: opportunities that allowed me to have more fun up being

530
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: a running gunner. But when I, um, that's what I'm

531
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: looking for, sort of went towards patients and sit and

532
00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: get more, I became more successful. I would. I think

533
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: you're right. I think there's a lot of Turkey hunters,

534
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: me included, who just can't. It's just at the time

535
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: of year the way to hunt. You just feel like

536
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: if you can move around and you have space, and

537
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: you're not confined to a small property or whatever, which

538
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,239
Speaker 1: tends to be out here in the West. You can

539
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: tend to move around a good bit that bumping a bird,

540
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: Oh well, like I'll find another one. So you feel

541
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: like I'm willing to gamble because it's more fun to me.

542
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: It's the better experience to go and work. You know,

543
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: understand and understanding where this bird wants to go how

544
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: to manipulate him is a little bit more interactive than

545
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: just sitting in a place and letting me be knowing

546
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: that there's a turkey in this field and continually hammering

547
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: on that idea until you've convinced him to come over

548
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: or he's coming anyway. But I just feel like beyond

549
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: you know what your general philosophy is here, it's like

550
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: knowing where the turkey wants to be. It's a huge

551
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: part of the equation. Yes, if you know kind of

552
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: where he wants to be and how he wants to

553
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: get there, you can play either one of these two

554
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: games pretty effectively. Go get there and say it down,

555
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: or get in between where he wants to go and

556
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: where he is, whatever, whatever the case might be. Do

557
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: you feel like that maybe in this this whole game

558
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: of strategy with turkeys is the one thing that matters

559
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: the most if you eliminate where they want to be.

560
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: I think with any hunting, any game, it's that's just

561
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: a huge advantage of knowing it, you know, when you

562
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: roll in cold and never have hunted a zone. I mean,

563
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: that's mostly what you're trying to figure out for the

564
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: first two or three days is what the hell is

565
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: going on? And that includes what what does everything look like?

566
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: And it includes where where does the game want to be?

567
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: Where do they sleep? Where do they eat? You know? Um, yeah,

568
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: I think you know, being a mountain hunter and having

569
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, legs that can go and not minding go,

570
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: it's certainly tough to you know, sit for long periods

571
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 1: of the time. In the first day in Wisconsin, h uh,

572
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: Jennifer and I was hunt with my wife and we

573
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: uh circumnavigated the farm twice and dougs like, dude, it

574
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: usually takes me three days to do it once, you know,

575
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: and uh, the first day we did it twice. You know. Um,

576
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: but again, I think I was kind of doing some recon,

577
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, but you know, we weren't

578
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: hearing a lot of goggles and then I got on

579
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: one and I was trying to get close. I was

580
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: pushing him and he saw something that did that, or

581
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: I bumped a deer over past him and that was

582
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: enough to to shut him up. But um, I muffed him.

583
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: And I was really really upset because I was like

584
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: the first opportunity we had had in two days. And yeah,

585
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: I have to Yeah, I have two distinct muffings this year,

586
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: two times where I muffed it the second time and

587
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: that was it. I got way more than that. Well,

588
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: there's probably other muffings that I didn't even realize I

589
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 1: I perpetrated. The second one. We were I was an

590
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: Oregon hunt with Kevin Harlander from First Light, and we

591
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: had this is a pretty unique situation. I think this bird,

592
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: I'd never heard of turkey gobble as much as this turkey,

593
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: like he couldn't go. It seemed to me like he

594
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: couldn't go a step without gobbling, Like he would take

595
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: pregnant pauses of like ten fifteen seconds. But he just

596
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: bla blah blah blop hitting him like he had just

597
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: I believe what I think later is that he had

598
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: a month, just had a hand that he had bread

599
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: that went to nest or something like that, like she

600
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: had just left him. Something had happened. Because it was

601
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: pretty still, pretty late in the season. It wasn't he

602
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: wasn't just starting to get fired up. So I was

603
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: trying to just in trying to figure that out he

604
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: was when we first heard him, he was a good

605
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: ways away, and we covered this country well. He ended

606
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: up being on this kind of pine knob in the

607
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: middle of some pretty It's a pretty rolling country. So

608
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: by the time we got to where we knew where

609
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: he was and we could hear his gobble every five seconds,

610
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: so we just tracked him pretty quickly. There was a

611
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: clear cut between us and him, and he had the

612
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: elevation on us. He's probably three ft above us. We're

613
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: down in this little creek bottom that was edge was

614
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: some timber, and we're standing at the edge of this timber.

615
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: He's gobbling. I know, if we crossed this clear cut

616
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: of timber to get to this stream to get on

617
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: the hill he's on, he's probably gonna see us. Like,

618
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: but if we take the chance and we get over there,

619
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna kill him. If we get across this clear

620
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: cut and get on the same hill he's on. You

621
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: couldn't go around. We could have gone around, right. Kevin

622
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: gave me the like, hey man, we could maybe go around.

623
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, but but if he doesn't see us,

624
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: times of the essence, yeah, times of the essence. This

625
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: guy's gobbling his face off. If we can get across

626
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: here without him seeing us that we're in the money

627
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: now circling around. I've never been in this country. I

628
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: don't know what's over there. He may see us. We

629
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: go that way, So we kind of could either sit

630
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: here and see what he does, or I didn't feel

631
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: like he would have had to fly down to us

632
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: from where he was, and I just didn't feel like

633
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: wanting to chance. It's that with letting him know we

634
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: were there, and so we I was like, let's just

635
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: screwt across you really quick. Let's wait till he's gobbling.

636
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: It sounds like he's facing the other way, just like,

637
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if he can see us or not.

638
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: But boy, if he's at the lip of this hill

639
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: he's on, he'll be able to see us and he'll spook.

640
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: And so I was like, kept say, okay, we got

641
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: halfway across that field, stopped in this little set of timber,

642
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: went the rest of the way across that field. By

643
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: that time, he's no, no, not a sound. And this

644
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: is a bird that's been gobbling every five seconds for

645
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. And so I knew me. I'm like, dude,

646
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: we just spooked that bird. And and and it's not

647
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: something where we we did. We never saw him. I

648
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: don't think we ever got really that close to him.

649
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: He just had the high ground on us, and he

650
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: like that was his its own, like you, that was

651
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: his area. And so he ended up gobbling later, you know,

652
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: about five minutes later he gobbles. He's five dred yards

653
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: down there, you know, away from us, and ended up

654
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: killing him later on. But that was a crappy feeling

655
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: we had. We had the most fired up turkey I

656
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: had ever heard within five yards and we just screwed it. Yeah,

657
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: nothing worse um from going and fired up from here

658
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: to zero turkey woods zero. And you were you were

659
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: there for the first the first one. I'm off to

660
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: where I just was with the buddy Tyler and you

661
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: had left with Brandon and we were in Texas hunting.

662
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: This is right? Was it? Right before we killed that bird,

663
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: my the bird eye shot right after the evening hunt.

664
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: We had shot my bird in the afternoon, and then

665
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: we'd split up, and Tyler and I were sitting on

666
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: a spot really just napping waiting in the mid afternoon.

667
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: The next thing you know, I got a gobbler like

668
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: four h yards starting to light it up. Start calling,

669
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: he's coming on a string. But I know he's coming

670
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: through like a cattle pasture, and I was worried that

671
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: those cattles are gonna bump him around. And I'm calling him,

672
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: calling him, calling, he's coming on a string. And then

673
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, as he's about the crest is

674
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: little ridge to get down in the flat where we are.

675
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: I hate like the next goblet here is three yards

676
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: the other way, going like what what happened? And so

677
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: I said, well we better we better get up to

678
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: this little ridge, show him the fan, do something to

679
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: get his attention so he comes back and we can

680
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: kill him. We got up, we went about fifty yards,

681
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 1: were on the hill, the little crest of this hill

682
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: where we were gonna show him the fan and see

683
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: if we get him to come back. And we hear

684
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: spitting and drum and on the other side of this

685
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: rock we're sitting by, and he had come all the

686
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: way back across and it was now ten yards away

687
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: from us. Space just came to mind. I've heard that

688
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: story a couple of times, so I just came to mind,

689
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: is which often happens. Happened to me this weekend. Is

690
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: he might have turned or been in a depression, or

691
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: just through his voice and he gobbles one time at

692
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: fifty and then he gobbles and he something changes the

693
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: direction that he's pointing when he goes into a little depression,

694
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: and that same gobble sounds like it's and I think

695
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: that's what happened to us. I think he maybe there

696
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: was cattle in there, and he might have been bumping

697
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: around a little bit in ways he wouldn't have otherwise.

698
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: But I think he just turned and gobbled the other way,

699
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: and I heard it wrong and was impatient. If I'd

700
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: have been patient, he would have walked right down. We

701
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: just shot him. But I was impatient. And both those

702
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: two cases, I feel like just being patient and just

703
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: playing the cards your delt, not trying to force it

704
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 1: would have been dead turkeys. Both those cases that screwed

705
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: the pooch sitting, Get sitting, Get baby. Well that's good.

706
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: Now we can figure all that out for everybody. I

707
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: think you just got to determine when you go out

708
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: to turkey hunt if what you are you running gun?

709
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: Are you sitting? Get and think real hard about him.

710
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: Here's the last one. There's time for both. I say,

711
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: I think you're right. Is a turkey fan safe to

712
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: use in public lands? Do you use it on public lands?

713
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: I do? But definitely public lands where like I haven't

714
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: seen another turkey hunter. Yeah, like you you're aware of

715
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: the kind of like if I parked somewhere in a

716
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: trailhead where there was like the chance that I was

717
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: going to see another turkey hunter, there was another truck there,

718
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be working a fan. I'd probably still pack

719
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: like a decoy that has a fan use it, but

720
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like fanning a turkey and just holding

721
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: that thing right next to my head. I think that's

722
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: a bad idea. I think so too. I've got a

723
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: lot of people ask about that. It's like, what do

724
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: you feel like it's unsafe? I'm like, yeah, it is

725
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: unsafe in general. I mean, if you're hunting a place

726
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: where you don't know what other hunters are around, or

727
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: you can't predict that for sure. Some states, you know,

728
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: I think it's Pennsylvania says that you can't you can't hunt,

729
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: you can't stalk with a decoy. I think is how

730
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: how they put it will be smart. I mean it's not.

731
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: It's definitely not out of the question. I'm sure if

732
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: we looked pretty hard, we'd find a lot of examples

733
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: of guys getting popped. Use turkey fans, Yeah, that's getting shot.

734
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: Assess he was from Pennsylvania says there's quite a few

735
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: every year, And I mean turkey hunting just lends itself

736
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: to that. I mean, think about it, man, all these

737
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: people out there not taking their naps, got up a

738
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: three d morning and now it's eleven, and like, you

739
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: had three tough days of hunting, and now you hear

740
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: one that's hammering. You go over the ridge and you

741
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: happen to see the fan decoy instead of the gabbler

742
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: that's two yards to the right or whatever. You're just like, well,

743
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: should be really easy to be hazy and not. Yeah,

744
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: and there you are with your head behind a fan

745
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: and everyone's while you're looking out. But I mean you're

746
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: really presenting the thing people want to see. Oh yeah,

747
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: my fan doesn't have My fans got a red head attache. Yeah,

748
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: your fans got everything you'd want to see, exactly right

749
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: there at the base of the neck. So yeah, I mean,

750
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 1: just I guess be smart. But I think as turkey

751
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: hunting community, you have to. We're gonna have to figure

752
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: that out. It's a relatively relatively new phenomenon that guys

753
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: are caring and Turkey fans around. Um, so hopefully it

754
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: doesn't become a big, big issue, but it's certainly something

755
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: to think about and talk about. I say, oh, yeah,

756
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: I think most people know that you need to be

757
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: I think with decoys in general. I mean, this is

758
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: a little more dangerous because you are like working the

759
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: decoy in your hand. But I think most people are

760
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: pretty aware of that. True. True. All right, Well, do

761
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: you you have your big laughing eagle paddle call a

762
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: giant box called But I got a new one. Yeah,

763
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: Now I got one that I can actually put into

764
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: my turkey vesta that long handle where they call him.

765
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: What is the actual name for the long box call?

766
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, is there a name for it. I

767
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: was just making paddle That's what I always called paddle call.

768
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: There's something else might just be box called. Anyways, Yeah,

769
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: I got a one sided box call from um. A

770
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: fellow by the name of J. D. Peck More and

771
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: Brothers is the name of his company, Gobbler's Choice, and

772
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 1: our buddy guy zoc Fine tuned it for me, and uh,

773
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: she sounds good. It's pretty sweet. There's a guy wrote

774
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: in Bill Rays from Canyon, Texas, and he was asking

775
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: about is there a specific type of wood that you

776
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: prefer for your calls? He said that I seem like

777
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: a knowledgeable turkey hunter. I don't think he knows me well. Um,

778
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: and is there a call maker you would recommend? What

779
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: do you think? I'd never really thought about types of wood. Honestly,

780
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: I just pick a call up and feel it and

781
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: slam on it, and that's beyond me. I mean, you

782
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: have to have like a musician's ear to be able

783
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: to hear the the nuance difference between if it's a

784
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: butternut or a cherry or whatever. That I think that

785
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: new box call I have his butternut and ipe are

786
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: the two different ones I've heard. I've heard a lot

787
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: of like mahoganies over the year. Like people say mahogany

788
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: is good. I've also heard say people say poplar is good.

789
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: I don't know Walnut. I've heard it's nice. I think

790
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: it just like a lot of slate bottoms are made

791
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: out of cherry. But I have no personal preference. I

792
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: pick it up and if it sounds, but there is

793
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: there is a groove you get. I think you get

794
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: in these groove with all calls where you're kind of

795
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: hit it enough where you know exactly you know, like

796
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: it's like a musical instrument, like playing the violin, like

797
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 1: you kind of just know how to play it, which

798
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: we used it long enough. I mean, you certainly can

799
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: make the notes if you just pick it up for

800
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: the first time. But when you're having a conversation with

801
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: a turkey, that that Oregon bird, I called him back

802
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: in with a box call, with the old wet Willie

803
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: call my dad had given me when I was a

804
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: kiddoh um or I had since I was really young,

805
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: and it just I just know how to play the call.

806
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: It's a piece of ship like it's it's no good,

807
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: like it's it's it probably just needs to replace. But

808
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: I kind of just have done it so much with

809
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: that thing that I know, Yeah, turkeys, I don't think

810
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: i'd be replacing it. I was just kind of falling apart.

811
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: I need to I need to fix and fix it up.

812
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: I have no no bill for Bill. Sorry Bill, We're

813
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: just we're useless in this. But we're about to get

814
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: to call. But he did ask who makes Who's who

815
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: are some good call maker? That he did ask that

816
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: you listen. I'm I've gone all the way from like

817
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: custom calls to I had a custom amerk in Iowa

818
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: make a slate call for a hunt. I did. And

819
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: then a guy over in Maryland, UM, a buddy of

820
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 1: mine have another custom box call made. And those things

821
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: are They're both great calls, and I use them. But

822
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it past like a night Inhale or

823
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: a pre most. I've picked some of those calls up

824
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: and thought they sounded really good. Sometimes they all those

825
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: factory calls will feel chintzy when you pick them up,

826
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: but you you strike them and they sound great. So

827
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: I don't. I guess my advice there's as bad as

828
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: my advice for the type of wood is man. You

829
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: kind of have to go through them and I don't

830
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: know that I've ever run into a custom call that

831
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: sounded so much better then a store bought, factory you

832
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: manufactured call that I could say, one way or the other.

833
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: How do you feel about that? Yep? Um, I haven't

834
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: messed around with the custom calls too much. There's a

835
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: guy by the name of Albert Paul who might have

836
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: quit making calls now. Um. And I think that his

837
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: field grades were running right around a hundred bucks. Um.

838
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: The guys that mentored me early on all ran his

839
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: box call. Um, so it was the best. Like I said,

840
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: that new when I got from J. D. Martin that

841
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 1: was only twenty bucks. It's a steel for a call

842
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: that's not, you know, mass produced. I like it. Um.

843
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 1: Who else? Yeah, Jason Phelips obviously we like his diaphragm calls. Yeah,

844
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: Cat was running some of his diaphragm calls. They saund

845
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: are really good, man. They were striking up some Texas

846
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: turkeys like you wouldn't believe. Um, really good. But I

847
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: want to move on to kind of the reason, well,

848
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: maybe one of the reasons I'm here. Maybe it's one

849
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 1: of the reasons you're here as well. This podcast uh

850
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: is includes an interview with man named Colonel Tom Kelly. UM.

851
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: I traveled to a couple of weeks back, traveled to Bethesda, Marylands,

852
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: where Colonel Tom currently lives, and was able to track

853
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: him down in uh an apartment in a high rise

854
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: in Bethesda, Maryland where he lives now UM following the

855
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: passing of his wife. His his daughter and family lived there.

856
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: He's ninety three years old, UM and he's a bit

857
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: of a like kind of in an assisted living situation

858
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: where he has nurses that come and people that comment

859
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: clean his apartmentent, but he's still for for being ninety

860
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: three years old, he's he's as intelligent and surprised he

861
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: always imagine he would have been in his prior years. UM.

862
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: And I think it's an important conversation. It's very important

863
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,959
Speaker 1: to me because this man's work UM mainly his book

864
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 1: Tenth Legion, but some of his other books have maybe

865
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: I inspired me. Is is maybe a word that's to trite,

866
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: but definitely some of the most creative storytelling around turkey

867
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: hunting there ever has been, and a person that has

868
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: been able to capture what it is to be a

869
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: turkey hunter, to be a part of the culture better

870
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: than anyone that I've ever read. Um, so that's what's

871
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: made him a legend, made him the poet laureate. Has

872
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people call him turkey hunting, So that's

873
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: my opinion. But what what do you think they're on

874
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: about Colonel Tom Kelly? Yeah, I agree with you. I

875
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: haven't read any of his other work other than The

876
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: Tenth Legion, but I've probably read that book three or

877
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: four times in the last thousand years. Is again, same

878
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: crew that mentored me early on. Um gave me that

879
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: book in my first or second turkey season and said,

880
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: read this and this will explain a lot about it.

881
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: And uh, it's cool because, like he said, it talks

882
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: about the culture and what it means to be a

883
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: turkey hunter, and then he gets into tips and tactics

884
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: as well, and um, mostly what I get out of it, man,

885
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: is just like the respect that he feels that, you know,

886
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: the turkey demands and deserves. And uh, and I think

887
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 1: you can tell that he would feel that way about

888
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: all wildlife. You know. I think that's you know, we

889
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: probably shared those same values with him, you know. Yeah, yeah,

890
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: I mean I asked him if if I don't want

891
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: to spoil the interview, so we get to it here

892
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: in a minute. But I asked him if he could

893
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: have a conversation with the last turkey that he would

894
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: ever kill, what would he say, you know, what would

895
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: he say to the turkey? And he just said something

896
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 1: to the effect of, I wish you weren't the last

897
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: one was there was another one behind. I was like,

898
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: it's just he's just a ninety three year old man

899
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: who's definitely got less days ahead of him than that

900
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: there are behind him, and like he still has a

901
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: hunger like to do it. He was sitting there at

902
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:16,479
Speaker 1: this fairly like poorly adorned apartment with a walker, and

903
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: it just, you know, it seemed like he had been

904
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: transplanted into a place that he wasn't comfortable. But still

905
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: in front of him were turkey hunting books in a

906
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: box call he was working on, and he maybe didn't

907
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, you'll hear in a minute like he might

908
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: have struggled through some of the details of his life

909
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: because he's three and he's not as sharp as he

910
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: once was. But when you talk about turkeys, you can

911
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: hear it in his voice like it's still still there,

912
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: still has the passion which says something about him, but

913
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: also something about turkeys that that he's it's still captivates

914
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: him the way it captivates us now. So maybe when

915
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: we're ninety three will be lucky enough to still have

916
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: that have that drive. I'm sure we will. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

917
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: because those turkeys will have the ability to humble us

918
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: no matter how long we hunt and how much we

919
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: think we in quotes figure him out, you know. Yeah.

920
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: And I think there's really no better way to say

921
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: goodbye to this turkey season, bye bye. Um. Then by

922
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: talking to Tom Kelly, Colonel Tim Kelly, UM, it's a

923
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: good conversation. Again, Please remember that that Tom did his

924
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: best to work through this very respectful with his time. UM.

925
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: But he is getting up there in age, so he's

926
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: probably not um what he once was as far as

927
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: his memory in some of the ways that we went

928
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: through the interview. But regardless, man, what a gym. And

929
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: he still had a lot of one liners for us

930
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: um in there. So do you want to do you

931
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: have any you know, final thoughts on Colonel Kelly that

932
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: you want to keep people out I mean the words

933
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: that you remember or you know kind of what the

934
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: death lesion means to you. You know what stuck out

935
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: last time what I read it is I think he

936
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: wrote it. It's like sixty five ish, maybe, yeah, in

937
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: the early seventies, early seventies maybe. Um, there's definitely a

938
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: lot of stuff that's dated, and some of the stuff

939
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: was hit some of his ideas or maybe proven very

940
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: right or just like wrong. Like he was talking about

941
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: how some guys when calling him, they'll even scratch their

942
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: hand in the leaves to make it sound like a

943
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 1: turkey scratching, And I don't know about that, And I'm like, well,

944
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: that right there, is they tried in true tactic? Is

945
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: that will fool the wary gobbler that has had enough

946
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: of your calls. But if he's like, but man, there's

947
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: a hand over there scratching and leaves. You know. So

948
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: that was pretty funny to read to read that this

949
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: year and be like, yeah, but Tim, it does work.

950
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: You know, we figured out forty years later that it

951
00:49:53,200 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: really works. Well. Um, but no, I don't know if

952
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: I have any like big big thoughts on or any

953
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: quotes from that book off the top of my head. Um.

954
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: The one I guess it does stick with me though,

955
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: is I think it's twards the end of the book

956
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: and where he says like, well, you're not allowed to

957
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: do in that game that you play with that turkey,

958
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: is that when you have him dead right, you don't.

959
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 1: You don't. You can't let him walk because it's disrespectful

960
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: to him and to you, disrepect for the game, distract

961
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: of the game. Well good, we'll say goodbye to this

962
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: Turkey season, um, and we'll see we'll we'll pick this

963
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: conversation up next Turkey season. But we're gonna transport ourselves

964
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: over to Bethessa, Maryland to talk to the legendary Time Kelly.

965
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: I imagine this is one of the very few podcasts

966
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: he's ever been on and a few conversations will have

967
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: going forward about Turkey. So enjoy it. I enjoyed it.

968
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: It's a bit of a time apple for us. And

969
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: I believe this man not only to be our poet

970
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: Lauria for turkey hunting, but um, you know the key

971
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: to a cash of eighty years of turkey hunting stories

972
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: and expertise. So hopefully enjoy this conversation. We'll take you

973
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: there right now, Mr Kelly, how are you today? Colonel Kelly?

974
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks for thanks for joining me and having

975
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: me into your home here and in Bethesda. Uh. There's

976
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: a lot of things I want to talk to you about, um,

977
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: but the first one is why do you think turkeys

978
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: was the thing that you became famous for writing about?

979
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: The thing that is I think really triggered me into it.

980
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: With my wife. Uh, we would go into some place

981
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: and she said something to me, and she said, you know,

982
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: I hear you telling oldies Torre stories to people about

983
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: this who might order write that down and maybe if

984
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: somebody would want to would want to listen to it.

985
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: And I had no idea about about doing anything like

986
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: And I said, all right, I'll try that. And I

987
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: had been at that time, I had been writing. I

988
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: had been sitting an occasional story to feel and stream

989
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: and outdoor life. And I used to sell something to

990
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: uh uh, the one sports illustrating. I used to selling

991
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,720
Speaker 1: them sports illustrating before they fell out of a little

992
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: with killing things, you know. And uh, and so I

993
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: did that and I started doing it, and then that

994
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: triggered the whole damn thing that that triggered to me. Uh,

995
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: I'm not at all interested in Big Game one. I mean,

996
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: I I do not want to when I hunt something,

997
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: and this may be cowardice, but when I hunt something,

998
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: if I lose, I want to lose. I don't want

999
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: to lose some arms and legs or get my head

1000
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: knawn off. I don't want to hunt elephants who I

1001
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: would be trampled by the damn elephant if I if

1002
00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: I do something wrong, I'm a not a sufferer. And

1003
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 1: and that really is what triggered. The whole thing. Won't

1004
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: be anything else. And and then once it started, uh,

1005
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: the police book I did was tenth of Legion. The

1006
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: tenth Legion is old Jesus. Tenth Legion must be an

1007
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: It's I don't know why I don't walk m any editions.

1008
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 1: I just don't. Well, it's twenty something when that yeah, yeah,

1009
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: and then of course that trigger did, and then and

1010
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: then when that trigger did, and then and what you

1011
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: just meet a while with nice folks? You really do?

1012
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: You meet a lot of I agree, I agree, yeah yeah.

1013
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: And then because I think the question what people love

1014
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: about that book? What I love about that book is

1015
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: the way you articulated the motivation of the Turkey Hunter,

1016
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: our our relationship with the Turkey, and our interactions with yeah, Well,

1017
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: if somebody, if somebody would, God, I don't look, I

1018
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: don't have any goddamn idea how many Tukis I've killed.

1019
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been hunting on since ninety all right,

1020
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 1: And and and uh, when I was getting to kill,

1021
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: took his family regulart. I wish to god I had

1022
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: keptable oh jun. Yeah, I mean, if it was normal,

1023
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: then hunted here and hunted down, hunted is and did this,

1024
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: and did that and did the other thing. But ok, okay,

1025
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: So if I've been hunting took his for fifty years

1026
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: more than that, say years, If I've been hunting tookis

1027
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: for seventy years, and and if I've killed four or

1028
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: five turkys a year, that's whatever four or five times

1029
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: seventy years hundred something like h three fifty turkeys like that,

1030
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: two three hundred fifty four hundred turkeys in your life,

1031
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: if you if we were round up to it. Yeah,

1032
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: that's a lot of interactions with one animal. Yeah, and

1033
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: and and and and the thing about it is, I

1034
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: don't care how how much you've done it, and I

1035
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: don't care how good you get at it. Every damn Yeah,

1036
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: and one of them is gonna do something to you,

1037
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: and you're gonna think, and the hell could I have

1038
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: been that damn dumb? It never gets old, It never

1039
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: never ever gets old. You feel and you feel that

1040
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: all turkey hunters have. You have a hubris, have a

1041
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 1: confidence that you get to a point where you think

1042
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 1: a bird is gonna do something you think you haven't

1043
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: figured out. Like why do we continue to return to

1044
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: this confidence? Because we don't because he he will destroy it.

1045
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: If you get that much confidence, he's gonna break your

1046
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: neck with Uh. It's one of the one of the

1047
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: moublest things about about doing it. If if if you

1048
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: told me that I could never kill another turkey, I

1049
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: could still enjoy taking people because you can take somebody

1050
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: in and I took you. This guy won't characteristic. He

1051
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: cannot hear a whisper. If you talk like this, you

1052
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 1: can hear, and you can sit. And when I take

1053
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: somebody hunting, I sit right here behind him. Yeah, well

1054
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: I can look over his shoulder that way. If he

1055
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: choose me with your shot gun, he's gonna turn it

1056
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: around and take off his boot and pull a trigger

1057
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: with his toll. So and I ain't gonna sit there

1058
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: and wait for him to do that. But if if

1059
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: you can, you can wait and you can whisper him

1060
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: all the way to the gun. Yeah, you can say, hey, comes,

1061
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: he comes. They didn't give bhind that tree. I don't

1062
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: do anything. And you can talk him all the way

1063
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 1: up there and do it. And you can hear about

1064
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: if you told me I could never kill another turkey,

1065
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: I've killed him off. I like to eat him. But

1066
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: if you told me, if I could never kill another turkey,

1067
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: I could get a pile of enjoyment out of taking

1068
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: other people took him. Now, as long as I'm as

1069
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: long as I can get about like this and this,

1070
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: this can't go on. You know, you've moved it along

1071
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: more than most I moved along. But I ain't going

1072
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: to left to a hundred and eight or a hundred sixteen.

1073
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: So the end is out there and and just hopefully

1074
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: it will come quick. Well you said you just turned

1075
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: ninety three two days ago. Yeah, happy three, Happy birthday, um,

1076
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: happy belated birthday. I want to take you all the

1077
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: way back to where you were born, kind of going

1078
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: through a little bit of of how you came to be,

1079
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: to be Tom, the Colonel Tom Kelly of Turkey, hunting.

1080
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: I was born in South all About, born a mobile

1081
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: and uh uh and it was in nine seven, nineteen

1082
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: twenty seven and uh the thirty years. Uh, you know,

1083
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: kids growing up, playing football, all that kind of stuff.

1084
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: Early years when I when I got to be a

1085
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: World War two came along. Seeing when World World World

1086
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: two came along, I was fourteen, Well, I wanted at

1087
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: that point in time, I really wanted to You could

1088
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: you could go in to serve. The draft was at eighteen,

1089
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: the drest starting at eighteen, but you could go into

1090
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: service as seventeen. Well, I wanted to go into services seventeen,

1091
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: and my daddy was willing to let me go, but

1092
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: my mama one and I can't understand that. No, no,

1093
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: mama wants a seventeen year old boy. I take getting

1094
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: shot at that. That's common and he and he expected,

1095
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,439
Speaker 1: and especially early in the game like that, when we

1096
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: were not doing well at all. In fact, we were

1097
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: getting the ship kicked out of us and then YE

1098
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: had them. Nobody could do anything about that. But I

1099
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: finally I got in and I got into service, and

1100
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: uh I got in, Uh I got I got in

1101
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: just before I got drafted, so I could pick picked

1102
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: my location and I was a back seat going to

1103
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: dive bombas it's B two c's it s B D

1104
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: S first and NSP two cs and then the leader

1105
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: and the war when when it was obvious that everybody

1106
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: was moving, we we ended the war. In Europe we

1107
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: had one now one and in the Japanese we were

1108
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: having a hell of a time with the Japanese. Everybody

1109
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: was and everything was moving and moving that way, and

1110
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: moving that way and moving that way. I have not

1111
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: seen the operations I order. I expect the operations I

1112
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: order would fill two box calls, but the we were

1113
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: seriously expecting something like twenty million casualties by the time

1114
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: we took the Japanese islands, and at that time population

1115
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: of the United States was hundred fifty millions, under sixty millions,

1116
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: something like that. It would have been see. I never

1117
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: did yet, I never did get it to come back. Okay,

1118
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: just every everything was moving there, everything was going, everything

1119
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: was going, everything was going, and then boom, it was ending.

1120
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: And of course at that time, when you're seventeen years old,

1121
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: you're amort I mean, you think you line up two

1122
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: hundred seventeen years out there and tell them tomorrow morning,

1123
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: all of the people standing in the damned ranks would

1124
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: be dead except to And you think, Jesus, I'm o

1125
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: mist these guys. When you get to be forty two

1126
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: and you tell them that four people that those ranks

1127
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,479
Speaker 1: are going to be dead, you're gonna insting over your bunk,

1128
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: you know your that's that's that's why you That's why

1129
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: you got that's why. That's why I soldiers and sailors

1130
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: and and people in combat arms. It's just for the

1131
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: young because they they just don't believe anything had happened

1132
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: to there. And that's all right now. Well and when

1133
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: when the war was over, um you went back to

1134
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: a man, Well I went back to Alabama. But well

1135
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: what happened then? Then the Korean all came along. We'll

1136
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: see when I got out, and I thought, okay, now

1137
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: I'll just stay in. I just, uh automatically, I went

1138
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: into reserve. Well then when the when the Navy called

1139
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: me up and said, now we're gonna begin to call

1140
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: folks back in. And I said, well, now I've graduated

1141
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: from school and uh is is not possible, as I

1142
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: could get a better job. And they said, well I don't,

1143
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: Well you can get a better job, but not, we

1144
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: don't know what the hell you can do well that

1145
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: that then they will call it up National Guard divisions.

1146
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: And I had some friends in the thirty first Infantry Division,

1147
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: and I went and talked to him and took the

1148
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: physical and went to Montgomery and it was signed up

1149
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: in commission as a sacred lieutenant of artillery in twenty

1150
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: four hours. That was the most unqualified second lieutenant of

1151
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: aultillery you ever slowing your life. But I didn't a

1152
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: lot of using machine gun and had an ultillery battery

1153
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: has got in it a self defense unit that's got

1154
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: machine guns in it and rifles, and I could shoot.

1155
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: I could. I could shoot a shotgun and shoot a

1156
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: rifle well. And then of course, once I got in

1157
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: there in state, in there and liked it well, then

1158
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: and then and then then I began to get promoted.

1159
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: And then I got to the point where you were

1160
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: making a little bit of money at it, and and

1161
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: and then one thing left to another, and I served.

1162
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: I think I ended up with something like thirty eight

1163
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: years service. Wow. Part they don't they don't give you

1164
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: the same amount of time for reserve service as they

1165
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: do factive service. But it's it's a it's a pretty decent.

1166
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: It's it's a hell of one. And see you you're

1167
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: you're eligible for all couns hospitalization of stuff as a veteran,

1168
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: a double veteran. Yeah, well what people call everyone calls

1169
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: you Colonel Tom Kelly. I just wanted to made I

1170
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that everyone understood. I want to

1171
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: make sure everybody understood the history behind that. You know, uh,

1172
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: the I forget the damn thing. I don't know it was.

1173
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: It was coming in the South to hold everybody up,

1174
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: got to be you were an actual, You were an actual.

1175
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: I really was a coul of no ship. I've heard

1176
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: some people ask is he does he call hips of

1177
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: Colonel Tom Kelly because he's a colonel of the tenth Legion.

1178
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: That is not not That is not correct, sir. He's

1179
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: an actual colonel. So I just wanted to make sure.

1180
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure that people knew that's

1181
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: the United States Army and this man was a part

1182
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: of two theaters of war. And going back to your upbringing,

1183
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: because I definitely want to talk about your first Turkey

1184
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: and all all those things. Why do you love Alabama

1185
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: so much? You've written about it, you talk about it.

1186
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: We're not in Alabama now, but like I know that's

1187
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 1: where your heart is and yourself, well I knew it.

1188
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: I knew to people. Uh. And and then working wicked

1189
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: as I did in the woods with that many people,

1190
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: so you know whoa bossing Boston six hundred people it was.

1191
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: It was a lot of folks and and and you

1192
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: get to you get you get a real feeling for

1193
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: people at what they can do. And it does a

1194
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: lot of good for a southern one and getting rid

1195
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: of somebody's prejudices against black and white. I had a

1196
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: lot of instances we played it. We played it strictly

1197
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: on what you could do. And I had a lot

1198
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: of instances where I had black crew leaders. A normal

1199
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: logging crew for us was a full man crew. Well

1200
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: it was really it was a three or four man crew.

1201
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: You had the boss and then you had a soft

1202
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: hand with him, and then you had a truck driver.

1203
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: And and the truck driver went and came in rolled

1204
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: the truck when it broad brought his own truck to

1205
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: the bill. He loaded his truck at night and brought

1206
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: it home with him when he got up early in

1207
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: the morning. He went to the mill where he was delivering,

1208
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: and he was the first one in line. While he

1209
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: was there, the crew chief picked up the other guy

1210
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: and the crew and they went out there and started

1211
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: running to skitter and pulling stuff into piles. When the

1212
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: truck driver got through, he came out there, loaded his

1213
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: truck and went and that went on all the time,

1214
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: and and then the whole thing put together. It was.

1215
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: It was that they were a very lively group. And

1216
01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: and I had in a lot of instances, uh, White's

1217
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: working for black And I have had guys telling me,

1218
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: Mr Tom, I don't want someone, so I don't want him.

1219
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: He and I ain't gonna get along together. And in

1220
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: every case I went with him. If you were bossing

1221
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 1: the crew, you had to write to put anybody in

1222
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: your crew that you wanted to, so long as he

1223
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: could pass the physical do this noime. He made for

1224
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: an absolutely level society. In three right, you took a

1225
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: position with the scott Paper Company and then you oversaw

1226
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: Did you do that for forty years? Yeah? Yeah, you

1227
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: oversaw six d employees or more at any at any

1228
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: given time. And he said, what that that? And I

1229
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: really and truly miss him. I miss him yet I

1230
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: could see it yet, Yeah, no question about it. Mission

1231
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: is that is that you know why you you loved

1232
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: Alabama so much as the people, the people, the people,

1233
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: the people. I probably could have would have done the

1234
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 1: same thing someplace else, but I was there. I knew

1235
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: the country, I knew the people, I knew the land,

1236
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: I knew the temple. I like to hunting fish and

1237
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: in Alabama there's a hell of a lot of hoot

1238
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: right now, you get all the migratory stuff besides the

1239
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: datish stuff. Yeah. Well, it feels like for your generation

1240
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: you had a very normal, normal upbringing and a very

1241
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: and a very you know, a lot of people in

1242
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: your generation went to Warren, came back and worked for

1243
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: the same company for a very long time, and my

1244
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: grandfather was very much the same. So it seems like

1245
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: you had very typical you know life in that way.

1246
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: But what what where I would say it's not typical,

1247
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: is is your ability to to take the stories, these

1248
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,919
Speaker 1: stories that you had not only in the woods, because

1249
01:07:54,920 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: there's you've written twenty five books, right more, six books

1250
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: not just about hunting, but to be able to articulate

1251
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: your experiences in a way that like inspires people. It's

1252
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: inspired me to be a better turkey hunter, more mindful

1253
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: turkey hunter, to see the bird in a different way.

1254
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: Like what what do you think is has allowed you

1255
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: to do? To do that? I have no idea the

1256
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: luck of the draw. It's it's high come you've got

1257
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: brown eyes instead of black eyes or big ears instead

1258
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: a little is it's just And then then the I

1259
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: am I am pretty much interested in everything except going

1260
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: to Africa is shooting out from saying interested in that.

1261
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: But I'm pretty much interested in everything. And uh uh

1262
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 1: as a rule even now, and I read a lot Jesus,

1263
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: I must read. I must read three books a week

1264
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: as well as we sit here. There's books, books, books, books, books,

1265
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: bookspapers and books everywhere. Yeah, magazine, Well, I mean that's

1266
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: the appreciates that that I have for you and your work. Um,

1267
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: but there's there's it's more than that. It's like an

1268
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: understanding of, like I said earlier, an understanding of our

1269
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 1: relationship with with the Turkey. And so I guess to

1270
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: understand how you were able to do that, we should

1271
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,799
Speaker 1: we should start at the very beginning and you well

1272
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, and and into uh ship you learned something

1273
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: to do you die, yeah, if you, if you, if you,

1274
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: if you at yourself, and if you fall into a

1275
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: coma no, but if you had yourself, something will come well, pus,

1276
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: somebody will come in and say something. It'll be something

1277
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: brand new, always learning eight you killed your first turkey?

1278
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: I heard I heard a story about nineteen thirty eight,

1279
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: you killed your first turkey. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you

1280
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: tell me about that. And without loud's and shut down.

1281
01:09:54,479 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: He started calling and finally I saw him coming to up. Uh. Uh,

1282
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 1: I had no end I had. I didn't pay any

1283
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: attention to whether they were hims or gobblers. And when

1284
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: they got in close, in close range, I killed one

1285
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 1: of them, and when I want out didn't pick it up.

1286
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: I thought, oops, oops, I have never I have never

1287
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: officially admitted that. And iations it's still got the color.

1288
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: I think we're talking. We're talking in generations. Yeah, but

1289
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: it's a it was and that and that trickery. And

1290
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:39,600
Speaker 1: after that I kept up dove hunting, uh, and a

1291
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: course dove hunting momanship. Yes, I mean, you know, you

1292
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: get out there and and then fairly laid in my career,

1293
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 1: I stumbled ottle snipe and if you have been. If

1294
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 1: you have been killing the limit of dolls out of

1295
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: a box of shells regularly and you take up snipe hunting,

1296
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: you are going to be disappointed because you ain't gonna

1297
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: kill that. They ate the same thing on ago. Well,

1298
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: he used to trick as a kid. We used to

1299
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: trick folks and tell him we were taking them snipe hunting. Well, yeah,

1300
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not it as a matter of fact,

1301
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 1: because I got a book older there called Reflections on

1302
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 1: Snipe that was done by Day There something like fifteen

1303
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: or sixteen separate species of snipe. Snipe is worldwide. It's

1304
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:34,720
Speaker 1: in every it's in every country, but uh, and then

1305
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: it's the South Pole. But it's from me. Every it

1306
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: is from every country on down from Canada. And it's

1307
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 1: a it's good, and a snipe is great. Snipe tree.

1308
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,879
Speaker 1: He reminds you of a woodcock. Of woodcock is fattah

1309
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: and he flies of Woodcock's easy to kill a snipe

1310
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 1: tub man, he's listening. He's gonna makes your marks a

1311
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: night there. You damn right. What's the first time you

1312
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: heard a turkey gobble? The first time I heard it

1313
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: took your gobble. I didn't know what it was my

1314
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: my I had an uncle who waked at the shipyard

1315
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,759
Speaker 1: at Pasca Google and he had a friend named Kennedy.

1316
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: And the Kennedys had they had three boys. They had

1317
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: a boy younger than me and a boy older than me,

1318
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: and a boy who was my age, Pete and Pete

1319
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 1: sort of well, their daddy awaked for my uncle, and

1320
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,799
Speaker 1: their daddy lived just north of Pasca Google, Best Sippi

1321
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: and I lived in Bobile, and I had gone over

1322
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 1: there to visit my uncle, and Pete and I hit

1323
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: it off together and he started taking me with him.

1324
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,759
Speaker 1: And that's what that's the first Yeah, I heard gobble, Pete,

1325
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,640
Speaker 1: and I thought it was a dog bocket, it's you know,

1326
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: And he said, no, that's it too, and that that

1327
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 1: triggered it. And from then on out it take you

1328
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: take his turkeys all the one. What about the first

1329
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 1: time that you made a turkey gobble with your calling abilities? Uh?

1330
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: The first time? Well? What what? I what? I fell

1331
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:17,719
Speaker 1: into the trip of doing. I got one of these

1332
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: one of these boxy pots and uh uh and I

1333
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 1: and I I hear you hear tuck your gobble and

1334
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 1: you I try to get pretty close and then and then, uh,

1335
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: the first time I hood one gobble, I knew what

1336
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: it was. I knew it was him. It did's a

1337
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: it's a you when when you don't know nothing. And

1338
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,719
Speaker 1: when it was my uncle didn't know the first damn

1339
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: thing about Tucky on he'd killed some turkeys on deer drives.

1340
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: You said, out tell what you shot gun on deer drives?

1341
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: And when the when the when the dogs are running

1342
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,600
Speaker 1: the dead past the standards. I'd sit there on the

1343
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 1: first guard. My hand was a single barrel. You sit

1344
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:04,520
Speaker 1: there with the angle barrow, and I'd have uh, a

1345
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: buckshot into single barrel. But i'd have a h number

1346
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 1: six shot in my hand and you could trigger it

1347
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: a gun when you do it didn't come in. If

1348
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: he wasn't a deal, if you thought it was a turkey,

1349
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: you could trigger the gun and put the other thing

1350
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: and then shoot him. Buying pigeons come out of locks.

1351
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 1: Whatever it is? What is it about that when you're

1352
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: a kid, that you just just want something in your hand.

1353
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 1: You want to say I've done it. You're right, And

1354
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 1: that's it's universal for all childers. Right, you've got grandchildren now,

1355
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: ship he got little things, you know, you're a hunter

1356
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: gatherer gather at that age much you hunt them down

1357
01:14:55,080 --> 01:15:01,480
Speaker 1: and kill them. Uh, our thanks ain't much and clawls buds.

1358
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 1: We have shot we got shotguns though we got shotgun well.

1359
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I got so many questions for you,

1360
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 1: but I think it's it's it makes sense to kind

1361
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 1: of try to get your perspective on where we are

1362
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 1: as a modern turkey hunter now and where you began.

1363
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you have you have lived through the age

1364
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: of turkey hunting. And before we hit recorded, we were talking, Yeah,

1365
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: we we were talking about that. I think, and I

1366
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 1: think it's this is a natural thing that a lot

1367
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: of people that hunt turkeys today feel because they're so

1368
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: abundant that it might have always been that way. It

1369
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 1: may have the way it is now, might be the

1370
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: way that it has been. It was a friend of

1371
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: mine named Jim Andrews. He's dead now like most of

1372
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: my friends, but Jim Andrews were one of these guys.

1373
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,719
Speaker 1: And if you went to someplace, Jim Andrews were gonna

1374
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 1: find a damn twicky and if they were in the

1375
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 1: two here gonna be ko one, Jim Andrews gonna kill it.

1376
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: And he couldn't doably explain why he's written about him. Yeah,

1377
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: I've read it. I've read many passes about where he

1378
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 1: was buried and what direction he might be traveling. Yeah,

1379
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 1: tell me about him your relationship. Then you talked about

1380
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 1: him being I've read that that he just was a

1381
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 1: turkey magnet. He was. He was ead that. He couldn't

1382
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: explain it either. He couldn't explain it. His daddy was

1383
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 1: not a turkey hunter. None of his uncle's was a

1384
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: turkey hunter. His brother, his brother Henry was a fight

1385
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 1: apart and and and his brother Henry was a great shot,

1386
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 1: but he was a shifty turkey up. It's just that, well,

1387
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: I think the principal characteristic his patients. It's a big bud.

1388
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,600
Speaker 1: It's big enough to be you. You you created important,

1389
01:16:54,600 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: send the bood yourself, and that's what that's what you say. Yeah,

1390
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: and guys like Jim, I mean you've written about this too,

1391
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 1: like the friendships that we make, the connections we may

1392
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: then see Jim and I worked together. Yeah, and in

1393
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 1: fact about the fact Jim worked for me. Uh. He

1394
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 1: said what he came to took you and then I

1395
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 1: worked with you? What what is it? What is it

1396
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 1: about turkey hunting that makes that like if not makes

1397
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: friendships like that enhances them and makes them that it

1398
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: is the people. Well, if it may be like all appreciation.

1399
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: A guy falls in love with Peyton and then I

1400
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 1: don't care who he's talking to. He wants to talk

1401
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 1: about painton and painless and how they did this all

1402
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: sculpture and sculpted in that. Uh. And and you know

1403
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,680
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of thing that that that that hossill

1404
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: that yeah, that black hole, I did that, Holls, I

1405
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 1: did this. Uh, there's just crap around here that I did.

1406
01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 1: Uh did did you know? You just I don't know.

1407
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: He asked me why? And to hell with a guy

1408
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: waste his damn time making a fake unicorn when he

1409
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 1: aul such a thing as a real unicorn, And I

1410
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: can't answer the question. You just feel like time to

1411
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 1: make a goddamnunic So I'm Mabel. That's been tasting. But yeah,

1412
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 1: I mean I think that you're right. I mean, as

1413
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: a as a hunter, as someone who appreciates this, you

1414
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: want to surround yourself with people that have equal passion.

1415
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 1: And for somebody like you, your passion is unequal. It's

1416
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 1: hard to find people that that can that come to

1417
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,440
Speaker 1: it like you. So then you end up around exceptional

1418
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: folks like Jim andrews Um talk about I mean you

1419
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 1: you've written about burying him, you know, or being you

1420
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 1: know where he was buried, and trying to figure out

1421
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: kind of and going to church and trying to figure

1422
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 1: out in the pastor talking about which direction he might

1423
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 1: have traveled in the afterlife. And you had an experience

1424
01:18:57,200 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 1: with some turkeys that you called in Do you remember

1425
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: that experience? Yeah, yeah, yeah, here's mama. I knew if

1426
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 1: we get when he introduced it to his mama. Well,

1427
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 1: he lived in Camden, which is in off It's it's uh,

1428
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 1: it's it. It jumps into the Alabama and the tomb

1429
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 1: by Rivers uptown, and then he hunted up around that.

1430
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: And when Jim, when Jim got out of school, he

1431
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 1: went into cow business and went broke, and and then

1432
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 1: he had he he had to go to work for us,

1433
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,839
Speaker 1: for market tumber for people. When he would just scratching

1434
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 1: around making a living any damn where he could make

1435
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: a living, and he uh he but he never he never,

1436
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,839
Speaker 1: he never lost. He never got mad at the world

1437
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 1: because he would he was he didn't have any money,

1438
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: and he had five kids for four four girls and

1439
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 1: a boy. And uh I still carresby with some of

1440
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 1: the kids. They they were still write a little bit

1441
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 1: back and forth, but he would. He was just one

1442
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 1: of those guys that everybody likes. You meet one every

1443
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 1: once in a while. They ain't many, but you meet

1444
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: one everyone. Jim was just one of those guys. And

1445
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess twok is just liked him when

1446
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 1: they wouldn't go to anybody. You tell a story about

1447
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 1: when you went turkey hunting after you died, and there

1448
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 1: was five, I think five gobblers that gobbled on the

1449
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 1: roost and gobbled and gobbled and gobbled, and they flew

1450
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: down out of the tree and there you were with

1451
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: your call, and they would gobble at anything they got

1452
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: a tweety bird, they would gobblet one another, They would

1453
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 1: gobble at anything. But they ignored you, and anything like

1454
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 1: you were you did not exist, you know, And it

1455
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 1: was if if if it was Jim was Jim Andrews

1456
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 1: probably been friend lay he's probably been friend And you

1457
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:00,719
Speaker 1: felt that those turkeys goblin and ignoring you, or maybe

1458
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:07,440
Speaker 1: maybe a song that you wish it was that way,

1459
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: but you don't know that you wish it was his eulogy,

1460
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 1: that those that those turkeys were giving you one last

1461
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:21,799
Speaker 1: chance to to see which direction he might have traveled. Yeah. Yeah, Well,

1462
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 1: the Tenth Legion is I think the thing that most people.

1463
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: It's the thing that I've I read it before every

1464
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:32,600
Speaker 1: turkey season. I know a lot of folks that I

1465
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 1: work with do the same thing. And it's inspired since

1466
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 1: it was published in nineteen seventy three. I mean it's

1467
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 1: it's inspired many many turkey hunters. And I remember and

1468
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 1: I remember reading so the Tenth Legion was was published

1469
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy three, and it has inspired me to

1470
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 1: be a turkey more more involved turkey hunter and inspired

1471
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 1: many people to go and try it. I think we

1472
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 1: were had a coach of good guy. Did my partner

1473
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 1: we we it's a new edition coming out, Yeah, dish

1474
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 1: coming out and the new book is well, the new

1475
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: book is I have it here. It's called, Uh, you're

1476
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:17,839
Speaker 1: still writing books at ninety three. Yeah, it's called infinite Varieties,

1477
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 1: that great infinite And he says the title comes from

1478
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:27,640
Speaker 1: Shakespeare's play Anthony and Cleopatrick. I am probably one of

1479
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 1: the last few Shakespeare readers, especially in the Turkey. Any

1480
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:39,520
Speaker 1: community age cannot wither her nor coat, no stale her infinite.

1481
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,719
Speaker 1: Every time you go out there, he's gonna teach you something.

1482
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,639
Speaker 1: Every time you go out there, he's going out small

1483
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 1: chy in some fresh way you never thought of. And

1484
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 1: it's it's never gonna get old. It's magical magic. It's magic,

1485
01:22:55,280 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 1: absolute magic. When you write that, when you write, I

1486
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: have some quotes here from from the Tenth Legion, not

1487
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 1: that you need need me to quote it, but when

1488
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 1: you you've inspired a lot of people, people call you

1489
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 1: the poet laureate turkey hunting. You like that title sales books,

1490
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 1: but that it does sales book to meet it. The

1491
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 1: tenth Leads is not a book, really, what's an explanation

1492
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 1: of turkey hunters. It's it's an explanation of a thought process.

1493
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 1: Absolutely it is. Yeah, and it's it's called the Tenth

1494
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 1: Legion because you felt like Caesar's to Yeah, Caesar's tenth Legion.

1495
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 1: And the members the members of the Turkey Hunting Army

1496
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 1: are are are uh? You have said like exhibit dogged determination,

1497
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: much like the Army tenth And that's why that's titled

1498
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,680
Speaker 1: so and they all a hell of a lot of

1499
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 1: people would exactly a little thought process would they wouldn't

1500
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 1: be that any folks in the national wild took in Federation. Well,

1501
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 1: I remember when you said, when you began hunting, there

1502
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 1: was only you know, you remember writing this book and

1503
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: thinking maybe a hundred fifty people in the world might care. Yeah,

1504
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 1: because I I when I figured I could here, remember

1505
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 1: what I paid the guy to write it. They seemed, uh,

1506
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 1: theeld ghosts and sons in in in New York. And

1507
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,640
Speaker 1: it seems to me I did five hundred copies, and

1508
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 1: I think I paid him fourteen hundred and fifty dollars

1509
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 1: or some such thing as that. And I figured it

1510
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 1: did there'd be at least some guys I knew they

1511
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: didn't know I could read and write. They'd buy one

1512
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 1: around of curiosity, and they would be and and and

1513
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,719
Speaker 1: if he quit right there, I would probably have gotten

1514
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:48,640
Speaker 1: my money back. And if not, then I had a

1515
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 1: lifetime supply. Christ Front turned out to be a little

1516
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: bit a good, good deal better than that. Well, I

1517
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 1: think many, like many people regarded as not only just

1518
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 1: it's it's about people, right, It's about people. It's not.

1519
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:09,599
Speaker 1: It's not about right about it. I write about people

1520
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: and what they do. We had one specific Yeah, so

1521
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 1: it's not tips and tactics. If anybody hasn't read it,

1522
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: shame on you. But if you have it, it's not

1523
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:20,600
Speaker 1: You're not gonna get the tips and tactics. There's some

1524
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 1: in there, plenty in there. A lot of people going

1525
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 1: to read it and say, what this guy's talking about you? Well,

1526
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 1: there's there's the thing you said that many people who

1527
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: hunt turkeys do so with an intention to detail, a

1528
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: regard for strategy, tax and operations, and disregard for personal

1529
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 1: comfort and convenient That ranks second only to the apprecia

1530
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: but oft into cold rain. You know, hoping a turkey

1531
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 1: might come. You gotta be a little bit twisted. I'm

1532
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 1: pretty twisted. OK, Welcome to the live. You still you

1533
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 1: still believe at the age ninety three you have have

1534
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 1: that same passion. I mean, oh yeah, it ain't a

1535
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 1: bit of chain. Ain't a bit of chain? Uh d um.

1536
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: I've already accepted an invitation or two to go on

1537
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 1: next to you. I mean you can you can sit

1538
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 1: in that damn thing right there. You can fool that

1539
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 1: up and put her to the back of a pickup truck.

1540
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 1: If somebody can take me out in the woods. The

1541
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 1: wady who had won gobble and dumped me off. And

1542
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: so I'll come back and get you a nine foot

1543
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 1: and I can hunt. I can hunt up and down

1544
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 1: the rule over there. You can set right now. I

1545
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 1: can know, I can get out. I can walk. I walk.

1546
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 1: I walk probably now a mile of day. I walked

1547
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 1: the phone with the calls down and back and down

1548
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 1: and getting down and back. I got an exercise lady

1549
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 1: that comes by and uh as she comes three days

1550
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 1: a week, and and those things like breathing exercises and

1551
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,719
Speaker 1: balanced like aer sizes and all this kind of stuff.

1552
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 1: She's real good. She's an English woman. She is a

1553
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 1: matter of fact. She uh yeah, she she she has

1554
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 1: just been home to England. I defer a one got

1555
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 1: children and it does this as a living And yeah,

1556
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 1: so why and I get around great, I mean, uh

1557
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 1: and you know, to get out there to be able

1558
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:32,759
Speaker 1: to now, I don't try. I sold my car and

1559
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 1: and and uh uh but and it was better. It

1560
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 1: was I didn't really want to leave home, but my

1561
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:44,560
Speaker 1: wife didn't. I realize she was dying and really expected

1562
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 1: to be at home, and then with her gone and

1563
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 1: my daughter worrid about how I was doing and what

1564
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 1: I was doing and when I was doing it, it

1565
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 1: was just more comfortable for her to me move up

1566
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 1: here where she can drive here in thirty minutes and

1567
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 1: find out what I'm doing and and and and make

1568
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 1: sure I've taken my Yeah, well you be. You got

1569
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 1: a little furniturere building furniture up here in this this

1570
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 1: this apartment, most of this I built for I got here.

1571
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:24,640
Speaker 1: I can do some stuff here, and I've done a little, um,

1572
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,680
Speaker 1: not much since I've been here, but I can. And

1573
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 1: as soon as I get through with with my with

1574
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 1: my souls and hammles and things old at it I got,

1575
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 1: I can, I can go back. I got a chair,

1576
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 1: I need canean I cane that chair foosted, and I'll

1577
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 1: go back to doing by between it and writing and

1578
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 1: reading and cane and chairs and uh, I stay pretty busy.

1579
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 1: You are busy. Yeah, Well, I'm gonna just want to

1580
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 1: like in my head as I as I'm turkey hunting,

1581
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 1: you are the narrator, like you when I'm turkey hunting.

1582
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 1: I've read your books so many times that some of

1583
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 1: the things that you've become. And the turkey's coming in.

1584
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the words of that book, and I

1585
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 1: think that's probably true for a lot of people. So

1586
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 1: I have I have people say that to me all

1587
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 1: the time. Well, you know, you never know what another

1588
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 1: guy's thinking. But I mean enough people have said the

1589
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 1: same thing. Enough people, well enough people at the at

1590
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: the convention when I'm sitting now. A lot of folks

1591
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: with buy books, and we we sell books that we

1592
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: have a book. We have a booth every year David

1593
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 1: talking out together, have a book. We sell books on

1594
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 1: our side, books and talk to kids and a lot

1595
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 1: of people. A lot of people won't be to they

1596
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:43,759
Speaker 1: take a picture of a kid sitting on my knee,

1597
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:47,679
Speaker 1: when they take a picture beholding a kid, and and

1598
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 1: and uh, I think, I don't know. I think maybe

1599
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 1: they think if they do it, and if they talk

1600
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 1: about it, and if they meet me, I think I

1601
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 1: think it forms a society. And I think that's why

1602
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 1: they do it. God knows, I ain't pretty well you've

1603
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 1: been working with that. That lady that comes and get you,

1604
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Well, woman married who

1605
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 1: she married. Anyway, I don't want my wife to figure

1606
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 1: that out of you. I think I do think that

1607
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 1: one of the things that is important to me is

1608
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:42,640
Speaker 1: it when you have an idea or like an appreciation

1609
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 1: for something and someone else is able to articulate or

1610
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: explain your feeling for that thing in a way that

1611
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 1: you never could, which is what you were able to

1612
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 1: do for so many people for turkey hunting. I feel

1613
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 1: like it develops a relationship. Yeah, I think you're right.

1614
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I mean, yeah, and that cause

1615
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 1: because a lot of folks, a lot of folks when

1616
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,679
Speaker 1: I signed stuff on we want me to put something

1617
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 1: on it about this and that and this and that

1618
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 1: and this and that and this and that, and you

1619
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 1: can really I mean, if a guy comes in and

1620
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 1: it's fine as right, Tom Kelly, all best wishes are

1621
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 1: good luck next year, but if he if he wants so,

1622
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:28,679
Speaker 1: uh an intellectual dissertation of why he and I think alike, Yeah,

1623
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 1: I can't write that. I just can't do yeah, because

1624
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 1: people and a lot of folks will want that. I mean,

1625
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 1: they'll do this, and they'll do that, and they want

1626
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 1: something for their son, and then they'll want something for

1627
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 1: the other son, and they want me to say one

1628
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 1: thing for one son, and some of them pull out

1629
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 1: a piece of paper and started reading what they wanted

1630
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 1: to write. I love it, I love do you do you?

1631
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 1: Did you ever foresee that you would be signing books

1632
01:31:58,160 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 1: and that people would think of you in the way

1633
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:07,679
Speaker 1: that something? No, I felt like, Well, you know, it's

1634
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 1: like I said, I went into it with no sense

1635
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,760
Speaker 1: of with no sense of anything. I like it and

1636
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 1: I like to tell people what I like to do.

1637
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 1: When you when you go to the football game, you

1638
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 1: gotta you got a special team that you like to win,

1639
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:26,800
Speaker 1: because you remember bought Star. He remember, uh, the Green

1640
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 1: Bay Packers back when they used to be the Green

1641
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 1: Bay Packers. So time do you feel? What do you?

1642
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 1: What do you think? He said? Your wife really is

1643
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:39,799
Speaker 1: is one of the main reasons why you started writing.

1644
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, how do What did she think about your

1645
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 1: your success and fame? She my wife would for the FBI,

1646
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:56,719
Speaker 1: and uh, well when I when I got out of school.

1647
01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 1: My wife was born in a song Mill town, born

1648
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 1: in a song of Tow. Her daddy waked for the sawmill,

1649
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 1: and her daddy his name was Leon Boseley, and he

1650
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:12,559
Speaker 1: was one of those kind of guys did everybody liked him.

1651
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: There was no way not to likely on Bolsley. I

1652
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 1: don't give it them who you were. There was no

1653
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 1: way not to likely on board. For instance, he was

1654
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:25,840
Speaker 1: I was uh uh we Helen was. She was up

1655
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 1: to teaching school and and uh at at the high

1656
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 1: school and Century, which is just across the line, just

1657
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 1: into the Florida panhell that it's just across the line

1658
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 1: from Alabama. She was up there teaching school and I

1659
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 1: went to wake up there for the sawmill, and we

1660
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 1: met and we started dating. And then uh she uh

1661
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 1: when uh she knew I was, She knew I was.

1662
01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 1: She knew I was connected by Cane should with the

1663
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:03,840
Speaker 1: with the service and that, and when the Korean War

1664
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:06,680
Speaker 1: started that I was gonna have to go back. But

1665
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:10,719
Speaker 1: she she left Century and went to work for the FBI,

1666
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 1: had bile bill as A as A as a secretary

1667
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 1: of the FBI, and uh we we got along great,

1668
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:22,599
Speaker 1: We got along great. I I cannot remember ever having

1669
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: across the wood with her from the time I met

1670
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:30,640
Speaker 1: her until the day should die. Not one time. And

1671
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 1: that's that's that's unusual. And I was not. And this

1672
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,599
Speaker 1: was in the days when you know, without the cell

1673
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 1: phones when you leave working scattered over the area that

1674
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 1: I was scattered over when we when as I got up,

1675
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 1: we moved back to a town. It was just about

1676
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 1: a mile and a half from the town. She was

1677
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:57,439
Speaker 1: brought up here, so she was there. She had a

1678
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 1: mother saying and her system still there. But uh, it was, uh,

1679
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 1: you go you you went out in the woods of

1680
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:09,599
Speaker 1: the morning, and and she might and as late as

1681
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 1: as far as I had to go, with as much

1682
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 1: as I had to do, It might be some thirty

1683
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:16,760
Speaker 1: eight o'clock I eight thirty before I got back. Never

1684
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 1: it in never never, just as smooth or all of

1685
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 1: that plane. This is smooth. Hunt with you once or

1686
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,799
Speaker 1: twice and she she went, and she said, this is fine.

1687
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 1: But from now on out, if anybody asked me what

1688
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 1: I like to go, tuck you and I would tell

1689
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 1: him thank you. But I've already been. My wife and

1690
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 1: I have similar It's amazing separate the church and state. Yeah,

1691
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 1: I mean you know, I was now chasing girls or

1692
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 1: getting drunk, or or losing money or wrecking cause. And

1693
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 1: as long as I did that and brought home enough

1694
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 1: of a paycheck to feed the handy kid, it was

1695
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:05,479
Speaker 1: that was it. Um. I want to just read some

1696
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 1: of your like some of the quotes from tent Legion,

1697
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:10,679
Speaker 1: and just talk through someone with you, because I think

1698
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:12,960
Speaker 1: it I've been wanting to do that for a long

1699
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 1: time since I first read your book. Uh, I think

1700
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:20,599
Speaker 1: to to the title, there's a quote in there that says,

1701
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 1: while fall hunting is all about beauty, spring hunting is warm.

1702
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:31,240
Speaker 1: Spring hunting well spring hunting, you're trying to kill him.

1703
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 1: Fall hunting it is you. You you you know the

1704
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 1: woods hit the woods in the fall. That's when the

1705
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 1: woods are pretty. Yeah, I mean the leaves are colored.

1706
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 1: Du the bud migration is on. Uh, everything out there

1707
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:53,960
Speaker 1: is is bright and colorful. It ain't hot anymore. It's

1708
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:56,280
Speaker 1: a lovely place to be if you don't do anything

1709
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 1: but go out there and wander around. Oh. I used to,

1710
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:05,879
Speaker 1: uh when out even after even after I was working,

1711
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 1: even after I was managing that track of timber for

1712
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 1: the sawmill, I carried lunch with me, and uh, there

1713
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 1: would be it would be a lot of places that

1714
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 1: I would deliberately not eat lunch until I got close

1715
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:23,680
Speaker 1: enough to go eat lunch there because they were just

1716
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 1: something into Around the end of the world that soothed you,

1717
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,280
Speaker 1: and it made you feel at home, It made you

1718
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:34,639
Speaker 1: feel comfortable. Just uh uh, it's a you become at

1719
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:39,800
Speaker 1: one with the woo Ward's and uh would have it

1720
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:42,160
Speaker 1: would have been to me, it would have been pretty

1721
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:46,200
Speaker 1: grim to to go to a restaurant every day to

1722
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 1: eat lunch, or go to the lunch room every day

1723
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 1: to eat lunch, or the United You did that when

1724
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:54,599
Speaker 1: you were there, But when when you were on your own,

1725
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 1: and there was there was there were three four places.

1726
01:37:57,439 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 1: There was a place on the other side of day

1727
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 1: more prison foam here it was rolling to terrain, great

1728
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:08,080
Speaker 1: big damn timber and uh, a lot of poles, a

1729
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:10,080
Speaker 1: lot of polo, and a lot of solo, a lot

1730
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 1: of everything. And I a lot of times make arrangements

1731
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 1: to be close enough to it where I could go

1732
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:18,680
Speaker 1: there and eat. It was a couple of places in

1733
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 1: Chactaw County the same way up on up on some

1734
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 1: high Chactaw County changes from the flat lands to the

1735
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:32,479
Speaker 1: to the the combination of upland and bottom land with

1736
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 1: a hell of a lot more hardwood, and it were

1737
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 1: places up there they were just confortent to be in.

1738
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:41,679
Speaker 1: And then the fact that in those kind of places

1739
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:44,639
Speaker 1: that were comforting to be in with all that variety

1740
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 1: of timber, but there were more turkeys. Did you feel

1741
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:51,920
Speaker 1: long your life that there is a medicinal quality to

1742
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:58,559
Speaker 1: turkey hunting? Like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, uh, well,

1743
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:00,960
Speaker 1: what a lot of folks is just did I ko sixty?

1744
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:03,800
Speaker 1: You know? Did I q O six? With me? It's

1745
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:06,679
Speaker 1: a hill of a lot molder that's always been molder.

1746
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 1: Man's always been like and it I I often have this,

1747
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 1: especially in the ice the ice machine, every time you

1748
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 1: got ice, you know it. I think in the springtime

1749
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:29,400
Speaker 1: when I go out, it's like you spent your inside

1750
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 1: all winter, or you're mostly inside. If you ski or

1751
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:37,799
Speaker 1: ice fish or whatever, you can get out. Uh, spring

1752
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 1: is just like it's new, it's new. And then any

1753
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 1: any build up of anxiety or stretch you might have

1754
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 1: had during the winter months when you couldn't get out

1755
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 1: as much can be a race during that time. You

1756
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 1: experienced that through your your life, I imagine. Yeah, well,

1757
01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 1: let's see what else we got here. The bird possesses

1758
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:06,320
Speaker 1: a remarkable ability to turn arrogance into hopelessness, which we've

1759
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 1: kind of covered. But you think I got his ass

1760
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:14,960
Speaker 1: now and you get out there and leap. Yeah. Every

1761
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 1: time we talked, we talked about uh, my friend Steven

1762
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:22,320
Speaker 1: Ronnella talks about how it is that we returned to

1763
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 1: that arrogance having been beaten so many times. Well, yeah,

1764
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:30,160
Speaker 1: but well, of course, uh there there will be areas well.

1765
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:35,440
Speaker 1: Nobody I don't they have some they have some books

1766
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 1: that the show the normal Turkey ranges and in and

1767
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:46,320
Speaker 1: and and and it might cover the whole section and

1768
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 1: a half thousand acres acres, and they they will range

1769
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 1: across that fifteen d acres fairly regularly. They'll they'll handle

1770
01:40:57,080 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 1: one part of it in the spring and when to

1771
01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:02,400
Speaker 1: him is a testing and there's do another part of

1772
01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:05,920
Speaker 1: it when uh well when when when when the agins

1773
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 1: get ripe, they would not be right at one time

1774
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:11,760
Speaker 1: of the year, and they and they and and they

1775
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:15,719
Speaker 1: cover that area pretty pretty comfortable. And and I think

1776
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:21,880
Speaker 1: it's ah, you get it to me working working in

1777
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 1: the woods and being in the woods, especially when I

1778
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:28,000
Speaker 1: was balking timber for the sawbill. The lower coastal plain

1779
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 1: is dull because you've got pine and nothing but pine,

1780
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:36,479
Speaker 1: and you've got mokey bottomed hardwood bottoms and nothing but

1781
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:39,880
Speaker 1: that you get a little bit off of there and

1782
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:44,640
Speaker 1: you begin to get this absolute tremendous variety of species,

1783
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:50,559
Speaker 1: tremendous variety of timber types, tremendous variety of different areas

1784
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:53,160
Speaker 1: that are that are that are turkey or any other

1785
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:57,800
Speaker 1: animal will work in. And it's just it's just more

1786
01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:00,920
Speaker 1: fun up to it than it is dyeing into flat woods.

1787
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 1: It is it is. I think I've in my life

1788
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 1: when I think about turkey hunting, and I try to think,

1789
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:11,720
Speaker 1: if you say that your friend Jim Andrews could just

1790
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:14,800
Speaker 1: think how a turkey thinks, I feel like that's the

1791
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:18,160
Speaker 1: skill I'm developing. I feel like that's you probably at all.

1792
01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 1: Probably it's like the one I want to develop. It

1793
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 1: you probably if I can think where he wants to be,

1794
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:27,080
Speaker 1: or think where he's going. Since he going the COEs,

1795
01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 1: I never see anything over there, but if I go

1796
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:30,880
Speaker 1: over here, I see him all the time. I'm going

1797
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:33,840
Speaker 1: every day an time, and I've recently moved to the

1798
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:36,280
Speaker 1: move to the west where you have these big expanses

1799
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:40,240
Speaker 1: of public land or you. This year I did it

1800
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:42,080
Speaker 1: a couple of times where you roll into a place

1801
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:44,920
Speaker 1: you know you don't know anything about the landscape, anything

1802
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:49,559
Speaker 1: about the birds, and it's so easy to find out.

1803
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:53,560
Speaker 1: You got you got, You got the resource planning a

1804
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:59,120
Speaker 1: which cruise every acre in the United States is recruised

1805
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:04,280
Speaker 1: every ten is. And you got maps, you got, you got,

1806
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:08,760
Speaker 1: you got Google. You can call up a map. You

1807
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:11,160
Speaker 1: can call up a map on Google. Look, I could

1808
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:13,439
Speaker 1: call I can call up a map. You call up

1809
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:17,400
Speaker 1: a map on Google, and you can see and and

1810
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:20,080
Speaker 1: and they update the damn thing all along. And if

1811
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:22,640
Speaker 1: your call is balked in your front y' audacincy, it

1812
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:26,280
Speaker 1: seems to call that does see if you can goddamn

1813
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:29,040
Speaker 1: neither read the license tame. Yeah, we have a mapping

1814
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:32,040
Speaker 1: system now on your phone. You can you can see

1815
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:33,920
Speaker 1: it's called on X. You can see pretty much. You

1816
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 1: can look at a ridge, you can see the topographical features. Actually,

1817
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:39,439
Speaker 1: a turkey would definitely go there, and then you only

1818
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:41,800
Speaker 1: find it. And maybe you're right, maybe wrong, but you

1819
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:45,080
Speaker 1: do have a leg up. Yeah, that's for sure. This

1820
01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 1: is probably I don't know of all the quotes I like,

1821
01:43:48,439 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 1: this is maybe my favorite. You have to pay for

1822
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:54,160
Speaker 1: every bird you kill, and the coin you used to

1823
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 1: pay for them is time right time, you cannot hurry.

1824
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:03,760
Speaker 1: M You can't say I got thirty minutes. I'm gonna

1825
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:06,880
Speaker 1: run out to section fourteen. They kill a turkey and

1826
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:11,439
Speaker 1: run right back. You can't say it to your wife. Okay,

1827
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:15,040
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving is coming and then laws are coming down here.

1828
01:44:15,320 --> 01:44:17,599
Speaker 1: I'll kill a turkey to saft, dudey drop it off

1829
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:21,680
Speaker 1: in the yard so you can be cooking it tomorrow.

1830
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:26,640
Speaker 1: Schedules you can't do. Another one you said is you

1831
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 1: don't hunt turkeys because you want to. You hunt turkeys

1832
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:35,839
Speaker 1: have to as you have to. You no choice. Imagine

1833
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:38,160
Speaker 1: a man that's been doing it for eighty years. It's

1834
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:44,320
Speaker 1: pretty stuck. Hey, here's another one when you there is

1835
01:44:44,360 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 1: a long one. But when you talk about what happens

1836
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:48,880
Speaker 1: when you're a turkey hunter, how do you explain to

1837
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:51,960
Speaker 1: other people? You say? He also knows that when he

1838
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:55,160
Speaker 1: comes back at home empty handed, as he will do regularly,

1839
01:44:55,560 --> 01:44:59,559
Speaker 1: he will have no satisfactory explanation. He is well aware,

1840
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:02,839
Speaker 1: for he has met dozens of them, of the numbers

1841
01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:05,080
Speaker 1: of people that will approach him on street corners and

1842
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:08,679
Speaker 1: in bars, and that parties who opened each conversation with,

1843
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:14,559
Speaker 1: well did you get him? When he answers no, they

1844
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:16,479
Speaker 1: will be off and running. They will tell him in

1845
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:20,760
Speaker 1: delighted tones, and in the clearest detail, the story of

1846
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:23,599
Speaker 1: a friend of theirs who has a feeble minded nephew,

1847
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 1: of how this nephew is occasionally allowed home on leave

1848
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:31,479
Speaker 1: from the state funny farm. How that the last time

1849
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:35,519
Speaker 1: this poor defective creature was home week before last, he

1850
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:38,120
Speaker 1: went out in the woods just behind the house, sat

1851
01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 1: on the log with a turkey yelper that was given

1852
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:44,400
Speaker 1: away as a souvenir by a typewriter company ninety seven.

1853
01:45:45,320 --> 01:45:48,519
Speaker 1: He yelped twice and killed a turkey that way twenty

1854
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:56,760
Speaker 1: three pounds. The explanation of it, and that that story right, yeah,

1855
01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:00,439
Speaker 1: and its it explains why it's so magical because you

1856
01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:03,639
Speaker 1: can never ever you never mastered it. You can never

1857
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:06,559
Speaker 1: get good at never you, you will never get good

1858
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:08,640
Speaker 1: at you. You can get good at it, but you

1859
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:12,680
Speaker 1: will never mastery. And every time you feel you have

1860
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:17,479
Speaker 1: the mastery that that crazy horrible you you look like

1861
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:20,920
Speaker 1: hi and hell God, I have been so goddamn dump

1862
01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:31,000
Speaker 1: but you really and truly on another one, my this

1863
01:46:31,080 --> 01:46:32,639
Speaker 1: is the one that I'll close with because I think

1864
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:35,120
Speaker 1: this is the one that most people that's at the

1865
01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:38,599
Speaker 1: end of the tenth legion, and I think it really

1866
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:42,360
Speaker 1: encapsulates everything perfectly. The first turkey that I ever came

1867
01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 1: to be on the ground did it a long time ago.

1868
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 1: I sat there with my hands shaking, my breath short,

1869
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:50,400
Speaker 1: my heart hammering so hard. I could not understand why

1870
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:52,880
Speaker 1: he cannot hear it. The last turkey that came to

1871
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:56,559
Speaker 1: me last spring had exactly the same effect. And the

1872
01:46:56,640 --> 01:46:59,439
Speaker 1: day that this does not happen to me is the

1873
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:02,760
Speaker 1: day that I quit. I don't think i'll quit. I

1874
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:04,760
Speaker 1: think that will be the day that they close the

1875
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:11,080
Speaker 1: little of the coffer, that that final thump one you

1876
01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:16,320
Speaker 1: won't hear. Yeah, I mean, you've done this for so long,

1877
01:47:16,479 --> 01:47:18,360
Speaker 1: You've you've put so much into it, you know, it

1878
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:20,559
Speaker 1: definds a lot of your professional and personal life. Well,

1879
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:23,840
Speaker 1: and and then and then, of course, God knows god,

1880
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:27,080
Speaker 1: I've gotten some money back. That's that's the marvelous thing.

1881
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:30,960
Speaker 1: And I didn't get into it. I didn't sit down

1882
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 1: and say I believe I was still writing about turkeys

1883
01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:37,559
Speaker 1: and makeuple and money. Colonel Kelly, is there something you

1884
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:41,360
Speaker 1: would say to turkey hunters of the future kind of

1885
01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:43,599
Speaker 1: about your experience at the turkey hunter and what you've

1886
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 1: been able to do. We need we need to we

1887
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:49,880
Speaker 1: need to work well. I don't know, I don't know

1888
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:53,600
Speaker 1: how you could do it, but we need to because

1889
01:47:53,720 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 1: we are really and truly losing turkey hunters. We're losing

1890
01:47:58,040 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 1: hunters every year. Every year, every state I think shows

1891
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 1: a diminution in the number of licenses. And there's a

1892
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 1: pile of things cruel to the animals. Uh, why do

1893
01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 1: you shoot towards polar illnescent things? Why this? Why that?

1894
01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:17,880
Speaker 1: Why that? Why do you take all that trouble? Why

1895
01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:20,280
Speaker 1: don't you spend home and we spend some time at

1896
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:24,120
Speaker 1: home with your kids instead of up down to goddamn roll. Uh.

1897
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:30,280
Speaker 1: That that we've got to get. I think we make

1898
01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:34,920
Speaker 1: him do it in time, But we gotta get the

1899
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:39,440
Speaker 1: world to understand that there are different kind of hobbies

1900
01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 1: and your hobby is simply one of thousands and thousands

1901
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:48,719
Speaker 1: and thousands of hobbies. Uh. And and then the fact

1902
01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:52,280
Speaker 1: that you can eat what you is a is an

1903
01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:56,200
Speaker 1: added thing. But that we we got, we gotta. If

1904
01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:59,760
Speaker 1: we don't do that, uh, well it ain't gonna be

1905
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:02,479
Speaker 1: I don't know how long it's gonna be. But we

1906
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:06,400
Speaker 1: could come to the point where, well, you like for himself. Now,

1907
01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:10,320
Speaker 1: I think in Australia you can't own a weapon of

1908
01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:15,240
Speaker 1: any kind. Now, there's places in this country where you

1909
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:20,200
Speaker 1: know they've taken they've taken all deadly weapons away from

1910
01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:24,000
Speaker 1: anybody we except pocket knives and stuff like that. But

1911
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:28,720
Speaker 1: they they they they're getting it where and and and

1912
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:33,439
Speaker 1: the more of a riot the strata needs to be

1913
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:36,519
Speaker 1: not like this. It needs to be that thick. Well

1914
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:38,840
Speaker 1: you can play in any in any part of it

1915
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:42,760
Speaker 1: you want to play and stay out of jail. Right

1916
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:45,599
Speaker 1: about that, I think the last question I have for

1917
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 1: you is if you could speak to say the last

1918
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:53,000
Speaker 1: turkey will ever kill, and you could have a conversation

1919
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:57,320
Speaker 1: with that turkey, what would you what would you say?

1920
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:00,599
Speaker 1: I wish there was one more behind you. I wish

1921
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:06,040
Speaker 1: you would the least one. That's perfect. I don't think anybody.

1922
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:08,120
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody in the wild he was able

1923
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:11,080
Speaker 1: to say it. I've had all I need of everything,

1924
01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:19,920
Speaker 1: and I have enjoyed everything. I ate well. I like said,

1925
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:23,200
Speaker 1: great respect for for what you do, and and sitting

1926
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:25,360
Speaker 1: down and talking turkeys for over an hour with me

1927
01:50:25,479 --> 01:50:28,160
Speaker 1: is something I've never thought i'd get to do, so

1928
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:35,000
Speaker 1: I really that's it. That's all another episode of the

1929
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:39,040
Speaker 1: Hunt collective in the books. I want to thank not

1930
01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:43,559
Speaker 1: only the lot being Eagle Janie Poodlus, who's awesome as always,

1931
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:46,160
Speaker 1: it's great to talk to you, but everyone involved and

1932
01:50:46,160 --> 01:50:50,080
Speaker 1: help him connect me with Colonel Tom Kelly, and then

1933
01:50:50,120 --> 01:50:54,599
Speaker 1: also Colonel Kelly himself for allowing me to come into

1934
01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:58,479
Speaker 1: his home and chat with him. It was special, special

1935
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:01,040
Speaker 1: for me. Hopefully you've enjoyed it. I'll probably go back

1936
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:03,080
Speaker 1: and listen to this many times throughout my life. I

1937
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:06,200
Speaker 1: might listen to it before every Turkey season to get

1938
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:08,880
Speaker 1: myself fired up for the next thing. When I and

1939
01:51:09,160 --> 01:51:13,240
Speaker 1: when I read the Tenth Legion, So go to Tom's website,

1940
01:51:13,240 --> 01:51:15,680
Speaker 1: which we mentioned there at the end, and and get

1941
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:17,840
Speaker 1: yourself a copy the Tenth Legion. I have no stake

1942
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:19,640
Speaker 1: in that game other than I love good writing, I

1943
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:23,800
Speaker 1: love good content, and love good creativity. And the Tenth

1944
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:27,840
Speaker 1: Legion checks all those boxes. And then so what else?

1945
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:32,519
Speaker 1: What else? What else? Oh? Um Man, I gotta tell

1946
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:36,479
Speaker 1: you a lot of people have purchased this Aldo freaking

1947
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:40,760
Speaker 1: Leopold t here, So we thank everybody that's going to

1948
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:42,720
Speaker 1: the metior dot Com. You're going to the store and

1949
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:45,120
Speaker 1: you've you've bought this this T shirt that we came

1950
01:51:45,120 --> 01:51:49,000
Speaker 1: out with here at Hunting Collective picture of Aldo smoking

1951
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:52,760
Speaker 1: a pipe with with the words described beneath him that

1952
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:56,280
Speaker 1: I just mentioned. Um Me, Ryan Callaham made a good

1953
01:51:56,280 --> 01:51:58,439
Speaker 1: point to me earlier, and he's made it a couple

1954
01:51:58,439 --> 01:52:00,120
Speaker 1: of times. There's a lot of people that know of

1955
01:52:00,160 --> 01:52:04,000
Speaker 1: that name that maybe haven't read his works, um And

1956
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:06,240
Speaker 1: I think that happens in all pursuits and and that's

1957
01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:09,080
Speaker 1: something we generally all I can understand that you might

1958
01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:11,120
Speaker 1: not have read every single one of his books. Are

1959
01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:13,880
Speaker 1: really even understand the man without understanding what he meant

1960
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:17,120
Speaker 1: to conservation? But the count doesn't make a good point. Man,

1961
01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:20,000
Speaker 1: while we're while we're adding to the reading list the

1962
01:52:20,040 --> 01:52:23,080
Speaker 1: Tenth Legion and many of Tom's books, get out there

1963
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:27,240
Speaker 1: and and take it in as much auto as you can.

1964
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:30,000
Speaker 1: His writings, his works are all out there to be found.

1965
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:32,640
Speaker 1: Everyone understands the Sad County Almanac, just like they might

1966
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:34,320
Speaker 1: understand the Tenth Legion. But there's just a lot of

1967
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:36,960
Speaker 1: works out there. But before you do that, go buy

1968
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:39,559
Speaker 1: the shirt, man, Go buy that auto freakingly and pulled

1969
01:52:39,640 --> 01:52:43,600
Speaker 1: shirt and enjoy it. And it's it's really meant to

1970
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:46,080
Speaker 1: be away for you to kick that conversation off with

1971
01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:48,280
Speaker 1: somebody says, who the hell is that guy? He looks cool.

1972
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:51,400
Speaker 1: You can tell him the story of one of the

1973
01:52:51,479 --> 01:52:56,320
Speaker 1: fathers of conservation in this great nation. So go to

1974
01:52:56,360 --> 01:52:59,160
Speaker 1: the media dot com, go to the store and check

1975
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:02,320
Speaker 1: it out there. Also, what I continue you need to

1976
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:04,840
Speaker 1: continue doing is going to the th HC at the

1977
01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:08,679
Speaker 1: mediator dot com and sending in your audio clips sub

1978
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:11,280
Speaker 1: two minute clips recorded on your phone. Just talk right

1979
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:13,320
Speaker 1: into the notes on your iPhone or whatever you have

1980
01:53:13,400 --> 01:53:19,759
Speaker 1: on any other device, talking to the notes, hit record,

1981
01:53:20,360 --> 01:53:22,240
Speaker 1: record what you want to say, and then email it

1982
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:25,280
Speaker 1: right from there. It's super simple and easy. We're as

1983
01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:27,120
Speaker 1: you're here in a minute. We play a couple of

1984
01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:28,320
Speaker 1: these at the end of every show, and I think

1985
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:30,479
Speaker 1: it's just really cool to do. And I love to

1986
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:32,439
Speaker 1: hear from you, and I want everyone else to hear

1987
01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:35,960
Speaker 1: what you thought of these topics, these shows and how

1988
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:38,559
Speaker 1: we're doing good, bad, ugly. There's certainly a lot of

1989
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:41,719
Speaker 1: good comments, bad comments, and ugly comments that I've seen

1990
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:45,599
Speaker 1: about this podcast about me, But um, I I want

1991
01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:47,680
Speaker 1: to read them all and understand them all so we

1992
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:52,080
Speaker 1: get better at this year podcast program. So but until

1993
01:53:52,120 --> 01:53:55,240
Speaker 1: next time, I've been O'Brien, You're gonna hear from two

1994
01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:58,880
Speaker 1: awesome listeners coming up next, and then the little old

1995
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:02,360
Speaker 1: number seven all the way out. As always, thanks for

1996
01:54:02,360 --> 01:54:04,439
Speaker 1: another great episode. We'll see you next week. I'm on

1997
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:08,880
Speaker 1: the collective, Ben. I want to try to drop a

1998
01:54:09,160 --> 01:54:13,680
Speaker 1: hot tip for your THC followers. If you're like me

1999
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:16,519
Speaker 1: and live on the East Coast flat land, I'm actually

2000
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:21,200
Speaker 1: in Florida. It's hard to find elevation to hike and

2001
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:26,280
Speaker 1: prep for our Western hunts. But what I've been doing

2002
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:29,040
Speaker 1: with my group is meeting at the side of an

2003
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:32,520
Speaker 1: overpass and actually perpendicularly going up and down with a

2004
01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:36,760
Speaker 1: heavy pack load hashtag slan Stone Glacier and it's worked

2005
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:40,960
Speaker 1: really well to give us that true incline and elevation feel.

2006
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:47,440
Speaker 1: Thanks for your time, keep up the good work THC

2007
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:52,760
Speaker 1: lo Ben. My names Art, and I just wanted to

2008
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:56,600
Speaker 1: say that I really appreciate your podcast. I got turned

2009
01:54:56,600 --> 01:55:00,920
Speaker 1: onto you recently for listening to where that was meet

2010
01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:04,720
Speaker 1: either podcasts, and I love all the characters. I watched

2011
01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:08,960
Speaker 1: the show on Netflix and got turned onto your podcast

2012
01:55:09,080 --> 01:55:14,760
Speaker 1: as a as a suggestion through through Ronella. But anyway,

2013
01:55:15,400 --> 01:55:21,240
Speaker 1: great topics. I love the interviews, and uh, just keep

2014
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:23,040
Speaker 1: it up. I'm from the East Coast as well. I've

2015
01:55:23,080 --> 01:55:26,080
Speaker 1: hunted Maryland and Pennsylvania. I've hunted sick of deer. Not

2016
01:55:26,160 --> 01:55:28,800
Speaker 1: many people that I know say they've done that, and

2017
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:32,360
Speaker 1: hearing your stories in regards to that kind of ring

2018
01:55:32,440 --> 01:55:36,880
Speaker 1: home to me. Um. But anyway, Hey, living the dream

2019
01:55:36,920 --> 01:55:39,000
Speaker 1: out there in Montana. One day maybe I'll make it

2020
01:55:39,040 --> 01:55:43,680
Speaker 1: out there myself. Keep it up then, thanks back. I'm

2021
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:47,520
Speaker 1: seven Dennis to you, is you got me drinking heaven

2022
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:51,000
Speaker 1: and uh, he stopt it looks good to me. They're

2023
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:57,960
Speaker 1: gonna have to depart it. Do the barded, oh the bard,

2024
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:06,919
Speaker 1: get in the fury, ding on the fury, d dragging

2025
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:07,680
Speaker 1: in heaven.