WEBVTT - Part Two: The Last Days of L. Ron Hubbard 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:08.039 What again, l ronning my hubbards. It's part two Hubbard's 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:12.680 death episodes. My guests, as with last time, Abe Epperson, 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:15.360 Michael Swain, none of you will have noticed the joke 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:17.400 in that, but I pointed to the wrong person. It 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:20.200 did not translate visually hilarious. Another thing that's not going 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:22.919 to translate visually is me getting ready the next product 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.720 I'm going to throw during this episode, tired of the bagels, 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:28.520 so Robert took out his big knife and I was 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:32.880 stabbing a plastic of a many many Kleenex boxes. He 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:35.040 pulled one off. I'm gonna be throwing clean X boxes. 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:38.720 I'm gonna throw the first one to the window right 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:42.680 between us, right between to the windows and to the walls. Yeah, 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:44.080 and if you know the rest of that song, you 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:46.519 know why we need so much clean Ax. Yeah, we 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:50.080 got a ten pack is packing. It is a lot 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:51.800 of clean ax. That is a lot of CLEANX. He 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:53.960 will throw all of them by the end of this episode. 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:55.880 I thought you were going to pop open one of 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.240 those bad boys and throw individual kleen Ax. But that's 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.360 not as impact. That does not have the impact active 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.160 throwing a whole box of clean is it? Important to 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.000 you that the box be filled with clean X. There 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:05.720 could have just be a box with a similar weight. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:07.520 I think I'm just gonna throw a lot of stuff 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:10.080 over the course of the rest of my career. Understood. 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.840 I like I like tossing. I like throwing both good things, 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:17.720 both fun. Get some salads in here for you. I 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.480 would love to toss themself. Hello everyone on their early 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:26.200 morning commute. Welcome the Robert and the pig and the 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:30.480 other pig. It's your drive times. You know what I hate? 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:36.280 Drive times? Yeah, that was a good one. Sophie, who 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.520 cleans up in here? Is it me? Oh? It's you, 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:44.080 it's Sophie. Well, we've already established the joke. So this 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.959 is going to keep happening, and there's no way to 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:50.400 stop it. I can't. I can't over exaggerate your lack 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.600 of enthusiasts. So far, you pick pretty easy things to 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:57.760 clean out. When it evolves to throwing confetti, I'm just 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:02.240 gonna throw ornaments, yeatter them against the walls. Just push 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:07.160 class everything, Push pins everywhere, Push pins like a home 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:12.040 alone that you Bullets, just whatever, just bullets. It's just awesome. 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.280 I'd think someone who's barefoot so much of the time, 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.880 wouldn't want to scatter pointy things around the ground. But okay, no, 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:22.519 let's got those councils. It's fine, it's fine. You know 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:26.240 what else is fine? Ron Hubbard's career. I disagree. I 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.280 can't wait, it's just fine. I might agree with that 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.360 by the end. Oh, of course it's fine. I mean, now, a, 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:33.839 you do quite a lot of directing on your own, 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:35.560 so I think you might pick up some tips and oh, 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.560 I'm gonna learn from the master my next set. Oh 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:41.560 it's gonna be bad, because this is a master class. 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.480 This is a master class. Right now, Everyone who listens 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.919 to this episode will be qualified to direct a Hollywood production. Yes, 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:53.680 it just takes this much school by behind the best. 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:55.680 It really does only take that much if you also 0:02:55.760 --> 0:03:01.720 have millions, literally infinite money. Now, life on the run 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.280 is not good for anyone's health. Despite his vast wealth 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.480 and the opulent surroundings of the Lakita Ranch where he 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.480 hid out in southern California, by early nineteen seventy seven, 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.640 Hubbard's lifestyle was catching up with him again. Anne Rosenbloom, 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:14.760 who trained to be a messenger during this period, was 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.480 horrified by his appearance when she first met him. Quote 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:19.200 the first night I was there, I didn't talk to 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.160 LRH since he was busy, but I saw him. He 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.160 had long, reddish gray hair down past his shoulders, rotting teeth, 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.240 and a really fat gut. He didn't look anything like 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.040 his pictures. When next day I met him, he was 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:30.600 doing exercises in his courtyard and called me over. I 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:32.480 was nervous meeting him. I was really surprised that I 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.679 didn't feel this electric something or other that I was 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:38.160 told happens when you are around him. So these were 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:40.480 in the last days before the FBI dragnet closed down 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.440 around Mary Sue Hubbard and all of l Ron's people 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.320 with the Guardian's office, and Mary Sue became extra protective 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.800 of her husband during this period. Her dogs, which were 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:51.080 said to be clear, guarded him at all times. If 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:52.720 they barked at you, it was a sign that you 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.200 were secretly committing crimes against the Hubbards, or had done 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:56.640 so in a past line. Oh, that's not going to 0:03:56.720 --> 0:04:00.760 stoke his paranoia. Anytime the dog barks that mailman is 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.760 an agent who opposes the church. What happens when the 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.320 dog barks at him? Yeah, or Oh, I don't think 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.800 the dogs stare around if they bark at him. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.160 they just have new dogs on deck. That dog toy 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:18.320 is a suppressive person who knew now. Elron continued to 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:21.120 innovate his tech during this period. His main interest was 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.720 the purification rundown, which he viewed as a cure for 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:27.440 drug addiction. This was an evolution of Hubbard's GUK vitamin treatment, 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:29.880 which we talked about during the first three parter. Today, 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:33.120 the purification rundown is a popular scientology treatment that involves 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.000 massive doses of vitamins and a sweat lodge. In Oklahoma, 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:38.159 it killed four people over the course of three years. 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:40.680 Hubbard developed this treatment based on what he believed with 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.160 the effects of LSD on the body. According to Jim Kalki, 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.360 one of Hubbard's longtime helpers, quote, all the information came 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.720 from one person who had taken LSD once. That was 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:54.040 how he did his research. It's pretty chill, dude, all right, 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:59.359 it's this is my shit right here. Honestly, it was good. 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.240 Now Hubbard became convinced that the purification rundown was going 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.960 to cure all of the world's drug addictions. He decided 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.200 This achievement had clearly earned him a Nobel Prize, and 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.640 he wrote it an order to his pr officer authorizing 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.599 the expenditure of unlimited funds to win him the Nobel Prize. 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.680 He so clearly deserved this, he didn't. He didn't get 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.240 a Nobel Oh really, it turns out it's kind of 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.120 hard to bribe this guy. I can't say that it's cannon. 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.320 I do think. You know, if the listeners of this 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:30.080 podcast want to get me a Nobel Prize, I will 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:32.839 do drugs off of it. That's what I would You 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.720 rather get a Nobel Prize for stopping all drug use 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:40.280 you personally, or just have listeners send you some drugs? Oh? 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:43.200 I would I would rather get the Nobel Prize. I've 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.120 got a blacksmith, So I take the Nobel prize to 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:47.200 my blacksmith and have it forged into a crack pipe 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:55.320 smoking Except if you want to see me throwing some stuff, 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:59.520 you give me some crack and a Nobel Peace pipe 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.920 as well. I think the Nobel Peace Prize and you 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.120 know where that cash prize is all going to be spent? Yeah, 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:08.560 under a bridge filling up that pipe. Then you're gonna 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:13.960 get shived for your golden pipe. So that's gone. Yeah, 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:17.479 that's what happens under bridges. It's not going to be 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:23.760 great now. Hubbard transferred from Lakinta to hide out in Sparks, Nevada. 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.560 After the FBI crashed down on operations snow White. All 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.320 contact with the Guardian's Office and the Hubbard family was suspended, 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.960 and LRH relied on his child messengers to deliver his 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.360 words to and from church leadership. On May twenty fifth, 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.520 nineteen seventy seven, Star Wars launched to a world of 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:42.800 unsuspecting moviegoers. Here we go. It made conservatively all the 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:46.000 money and changed both Hollywood and the world forever. Now. 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.080 I don't know if l Ron Hubbard ever actually saw 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:49.880 Star Wars. I kind of doubt it because he was 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:53.040 a horrible narcissist who probably never read or watched anyone 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:56.920 else's science fiction. But it's possible. I know he read 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.200 a lot of Harlan Ellison, who is my favorite side fi. 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.080 He definitely Yeah, Well, like personal friends, and I guess, 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.000 you know, you feel the guilt or like you have to, 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:07.360 but you imagine the one person who could get along 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:10.000 with l Ron Hubbard. Of course, it's hard Elison. It's 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:14.720 just weird that if you he seems to really like 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:19.840 sci fi. Yeah, he resist, it's hard to like. I 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:21.440 don't know if he ever saw it, but he definitely 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.720 paid attention to its financial success. From July to December 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.200 of nineteen seventy seven, while hiding out in Sparks, Nevada, 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.920 he worked feverishly on the screenplay for a feature film, 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:33.240 Revolt in the Stars. This was a dramatization of one 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.520 of the Star Wars. Yeah, it's a war that does 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.400 occur the stars. Yeah, a star wars. Yeah, a star war, 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.520 if you will. This was a dramatization of one of 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:45.560 the highest level scientology training courses, the OT three Information 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.440 or Operating Thetans. I'm gonna give that shit away. Yeah, 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.080 you had to pay one hundred grand for that. There's 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.640 actually some weird stuff regarding that, which we'll get to here. 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.480 So the rough plot was that an evil space dictator Xenu, 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.360 murdered seventy six planets worth of aliens, sucked in their 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.920 frozen goats to Earth and blew them up with nuclear bombs. 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:09.200 Strapped a volcanoes. Ghosts are water vapor and they all 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:13.640 have swords you can freeze aghast. Oh my god, I 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.360 just figured out how we can solve global warming. All right. 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.040 People least likely to believe in global warming are also 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:22.680 probably gonna be the most superstitious people in the country. 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:26.920 So I'm gonna guess global warming deniers also have a 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:30.520 high tendency to believe them magical thinking. You convince them 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.240 that if the ice caps melt, all of the ghosts 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.160 will be freed. I think we have a plan. Then 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.680 we got a problem, and we gotta put We gotta 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.600 cool down the world to keep the ghost frozen. Ghost 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.560 dictators need to never stop doing whatever drug they did. 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.880 It's a child, right, And there are ghosts in the 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.080 North Pole, there are coasts in the North poland they 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.240 will kill us if we don't freeze them. These are 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:54.520 the myths of our time that we need to embrace 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.719 that will help us. It's like that I saw a 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.760 post where someone, some anti vaxxer was talking about how 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:01.840 you can actually make vaccine safe if you rub a 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.280 potato on the vaccine injection site, and it's like, yeah, okay, 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:08.640 just tell him that, Yeah, vaccinate your kids and rub 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:13.640 him with the potato. Just release all of Dan Aykroyd's books. Yeah, 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:17.840 ten years later, the Potato Flew decimates the population of 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:24.200 North America. Hot Potatoes. That will be the last Fox 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:28.480 News Chiron before everyone dies. Potatoes are too hot, the 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:32.200 hot potato and the round is over. Oh boy, Potato 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.319 verse ghost. Now, if you paid attention to anything I've 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.520 said about Alon Hubbard over the last five hours or 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:39.600 so of podcasts about the fucker, you know that he's 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.040 literally incapable of giving up on any single idea he 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:46.000 ever had. Now, y'all remember Excalibur, the book Hubbard claimed 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:47.880 to have written in nineteen thirty eight that he said 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.280 was so profound it caused people to commit suicide. And 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:52.720 after reading it, Yeah, it locked away from how I 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.640 know the words caliber from? Is that? Well? Yeah, it's 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.840 like the MANI Python, the funniest joke that you can't see. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.160 But with psychology, Yeah, yeah, philosophy the second you go 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.680 mad right as you love? Would that be good? That's 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:08.880 not a feather in your cap. You're like, this guy 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:11.960 read my book and committed suicide right after. I think 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:16.360 that means it's super good. That comic Con panel we 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.520 have today George R. Martin and the guy who wrote 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:22.040 the book that makes everyone kill themselves, My name is 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:29.000 l Forty years after his claims about Excalibur started, Hubbard 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.599 made the same claims about the OT three course materials. 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.520 Scientologists weren't exposed to the Xenu story until they were 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.319 several years and thousands of dollars into the religion already. 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.240 That's because, according to Hubbard, learning the story of Xenu 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.800 would cause death in a matter of days. According to 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.839 Tony Ortega, a former scientologist who's now an activist against 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.440 the church, quote, if we follow his logic, his intention 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.240 in writing it was to produce a film that, if 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.080 shown to the world, would kill off all the non 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:59.959 OT three part of the population. Oh manicide, the biblical flood. Yeah, forever. 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:03.480 Everyone who's not hasn't paid me enough money to be 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.280 at this level. He's gonna make a movie to kill everybody. 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.200 He's gonna make a fucking passion of the wrong. I'm 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:12.360 firmly convinced, And of course there's no way to prove that. 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:16.199 At every step, a large chunk of him knows that, 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.920 and it's probably the thing's most proud of. Ye look 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.600 at how I built a billion dollar empire on nothing. 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.319 I'm proud of that. So I don't think he wrote 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.880 it thinking this will kill everything. But it's still every 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:29.920 detail of his life is better if you assume he 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.679 believed his own it is. Yeah, I think he started 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:35.680 to at a certain point. You don't know how you 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.560 don't mix it up. You don't make the kids search 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:42.439 for gold for months on on, like cramped sailing vessels 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.319 if you don't really believe they might find some. And 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:47.720 some of the paranoid shit he did, you're like, well, 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:51.080 that's not fabricated. He's really grappling with paranoia. Yeah, he's 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:56.360 definitely paranoid. I imagine like little l Ron, Little Ron, Yeah, 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.760 like going to the ice cream truck and like say 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:00.960 saying to the guys sell the ice cream, like you 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.560 know that popsicles are ghosts, and he goes really he's like, 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.320 oh my god, that worked. I know what my life is. 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.640 Oh god. I do like to think about, like what 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.080 would happen if this movie was made and did what 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.360 Hubbard said it would do, and like everyone who watched 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:19.280 it killed themselves because I have conversations with your friends 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.360 would be like, you know, there's that new movie that 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.600 makes everybody kill themselves you want to go see Well, yeah, 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.840 I kind of do you kind of like I love life. 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.800 But also I have the AMC movie past I got 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.280 to use it on something, use it on something, and 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:39.840 I am dying to know the details anymore. And watch 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:43.560 the murder movie. Also, what a weird experience if you 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.960 came into the room late and everyone is dead but 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.520 there's one person and you're like, ew, you're a OT 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:53.280 three in scientology. I did not know that, and they're like, 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:57.400 I know. So. Another thing that Ortega notes in his 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:00.520 article about Revolting the Stars is that John Travolta is 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.520 still to this day expressing a desire to make the 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.280 movie into a major Hollywood production, which may mean that 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:10.280 John Travolta secretly wants to commit mass planetary genocide. At 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.079 the very least he knows that thing. Yeah, the idea 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.120 that John Travolta is trying to wipe out all life 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:19.640 on Earth that's not scientology is now my favorite conspiracy theory. Right. Yeah, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:23.079 I also believe that now, probably thanks to the popularity 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.920 of this podcast, some group of nerds who I will 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.600 love forever forever will find this and shoot it on 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:34.560 their phones and send it to us shooting bastards. Yeah, 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:38.240 please make the movie that kills everything, which is basically 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:40.640 he just thought of the Ring. Yeah, the Ring, but 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:44.560 for everyone, for everyone. Yeah, and just as as sort 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.280 of future payment to whoever does shoot Revolt in the Stars, 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.600 I'm gonna throw another box of clean us, right, yea 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.720 Mazzle number three. That's a scientology thing, right, yep? I 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.839 think so, or take it. Apparently read through the script 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:58.400 for a Volt among the Stars, which I think you 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.440 can find if you really look for it, and he 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:02.640 summed up its plot this way. Quote in the script 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.400 Hubbard wrote for the movie. The character rawl, clearly based 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.560 on Hubbard himself, takes on the mit of various two 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.920 dimensional characters with single syllable names Chi and men who 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:13.720 have wandered out of an episode of Flash Gordon. The 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.800 screenplay apparently ends on these lines. As the evil Xenu 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:18.480 is strapped into a prison inside of one of the 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:22.720 volcanoes he previously bombed to murder space ghosts wetting his 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.560 dry cracked lips. Xenu looked up at the doctor, some 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:28.720 terror showing in his glazed eyes. These devices keep one 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:32.720 alive forever, don't talk, snapped the doctor. A guard stepped forward. 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.800 Don't talk to the prisoner. Despairing Xenu rolled his eyes. 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:41.920 How long is forever? No one answered? No one knew, Well, yeah, 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:46.560 what what? What? What fuck you can talking about? I mean, 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:51.200 it sounds like I've been to film school, and there's 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:55.000 quite a bit of scripts that are suspicious of this 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:57.400 type of arriety. By the way, when your movie Revolt 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.800 among the Stars comes out, everyone's going to refer to 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:03.880 it as rats. He is so good, Look with that now. 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.400 Hubbard's dream was to make the movie himself and add 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:10.080 George Lucas to his list of accomplishments, alongside aviation pioneer, 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:14.040 treasure hunter, profit and surprisingly good at sex. This gradually 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.520 expanded into a desire to add a whole film production 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.920 wing to the Church of Scientology. The Sena Org, a 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:22.960 ten acre ranch around Lakina, was purchased, code named Monroe, 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.160 and turned into housing for the production staff for l 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.280 Ron Hubbard's new film company, Slash Cult. The studio was 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.600 built on a one hundred and forty acre grapefruit farm 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:34.520 that the church also purchased. How do you give notes 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.280 when you're in a call? Like if everyone acting in 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.160 a hand producing it is on set, there are no notes. Yeah, 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.240 you do what he tells you. This. I uctually think 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:47.600 the set's a little a little goudy, right now. That's suppressive, dude, 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:51.520 that's suppressive mood. He kills everyone though, like does the 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.640 screenplay just like paralyze them or is it the like 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.240 what stage does the magic like kill yourself? Well, all 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:00.280 of these people are OT three, so they can so 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.760 they can do whatever there. I bet his plan was 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.120 to do the opposite. Let the movie come out, no 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:08.520 one dies, and then say see, you're all scientologists. You 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:15.520 don't even know it. And I see now. Yeah, So 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:19.760 they buy several different giant ranches to add to the 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:23.080 already giant ranch and turn into a film production studio. Now, 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:26.440 according to the book, beaar Face, Messiah, quote, lights, Dolly's, cameras, 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.600 and a vast range of technical equipment were all moved 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.720 into the new studio. Hubbard took to wearing a cowboy hat, suspenders, 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.160 and a bandana, which he imagined gave him an artistic 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.400 me in appropriate to a director. The sene Org was 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.440 to cut its teeth, making simple promotional films illustrating various 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.760 situations in which Scientology could be used beneficially. Hubbard wrote 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.240 all the scripts and knew exactly what he wanted, constantly 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.280 biting into a raw grapefruit. He just care. Isn't all 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:55.680 that Thompson right now? He is? Hunter would be shooting 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:59.120 at people. Hunter would have a shot at people. Yeah, 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:03.000 but he's he's using cameras. So Hubbard knew what he wanted, 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.119 but found out that it was it's really hard to 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.680 make movies like this is kind of a difficult thing 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.840 to do, and so his first productions did not all 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:13.199 go well. Now, some of this had to do with 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:15.360 the fact that the random assortment of people who'd found 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:17.840 the Church of Scientology compelling did not all possess the 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:22.359 incredibly specific technical know how necessary to make films. Now, 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:24.119 I want to note that this had been true of l. 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.520 Ron Hubbard's navy too, and they'd sort of faked it 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:28.480 until they made it. But it turns out that the 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.439 same strategy does not work with movie making, Thus answering 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:34.040 forever the age old question, is it harder to captain 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.280 a boat or man a boom mic? Harder to man 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.679 of boom mic? Apparently easier to get random people to 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.359 be part of a navy. Well, there's no because you 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:47.560 can drop depth charges and say you hit something. That's fine. 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.119 When you're shooting a movie. If you don't get the scene, 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:54.960 it's not listen to it and say this is shitty sound. 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:58.800 So the church put out a call to any members 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:00.960 of the faith who had even vaguely relevant experience in 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.280 the film industry. The best they could do was Adele 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.240 and Ernie Hartwell, championship ballroom dancers, who had taken a 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.240 few courses and were told that the sina Org would 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.879 be their path into the scientology elite. They were not 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:14.360 impressed upon their arrival to the cina Org. Ernie later recalled, 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.200 I was absolutely shocked to see everyone running around in shorts, 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.679 ragged clothes, dirty and unkemped. They put us in a 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:21.600 little three room shack on the edge of the ranch. 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:23.680 We go inside and what a mess. The place was 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.520 overrun with bugs and insects. Adele said, quote. The main 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:29.320 thing I disliked was that when we first got there, 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:30.960 we were programmed on the lies we had to tell. 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:32.399 If we ran into one of our friends, we had 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:33.679 to tell a lie to them and say that we 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:35.800 were just there for a vacation who were schooled on 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.320 how to get away from process servers, FBI agents, and 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.919 any government officials or any policemen who wanted anything to 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.000 do with Ubbert. Welcome to our production company. Here's what 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:48.280 you say to the SBI. E I bet just it. 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:52.600 Being in California, there's a fair chance some of these 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:54.919 people probably would have gone to film school if they 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:56.840 weren't broke from spending all their money on the Church 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.199 of Scientology. And they came from everywhere though. Sure he 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.600 just moved them to like you just had to go 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:03.920 wherever you be. But they have all the money. Send 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.880 some people to film school if Yeah, what great voices 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:11.440 were squashed out by al Ron Hubbard's movie making an interprese? Hey, 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:14.879 I want to see these cult people's movie. I do 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.480 desperately want to see these cult people's movies. You know 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:19.320 what else? I want to see or at least listen 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.399 to the fine products and services that have advertised on 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:24.679 our show and or program. Oh, I love those. I 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.440 want to see them, but kind of fingers crossed, I'll 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:30.320 just close my eyes and imagine. Yeah, our ads are 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:32.320 randomly generated a lot of the time, so it is 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.320 possible the Church of Scientology will advertise. If so, I'm 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.560 actually fine with that. If they if they advertise on 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:44.080 this episode, totally doubt I'm not. I'm okay with it. 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:47.240 I don't know if listening through all this an ad 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:50.440 for the Church of Scientology makes you decide, you know what, Yes, 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:53.399 that is true. Me. You clicked on this and you're like, 0:19:53.520 --> 0:20:04.320 but the ad really resonated. Yeah, all right, products we're 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.680 back and Sophie is actually leaving the room. She's about 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:08.679 to open the door, which is bad for sound quality 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.400 but good for what I like to call cinema verite, 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:14.720 a term I invented for podcasts. Being true, we're really 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:20.399 peeling back the podcasting curtain. Yeah, because I didn't the 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:25.920 term loosely affiliated with podcasts. Yeah, that's the word cinema 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:29.840 and the curtain. Well, you know, the main goal when 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:33.080 you make a podcast is to uh just broadcast to 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.600 everyone else that, yes, you should also have a podcast. 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:37.640 You should have a podcast all rest till every there's 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:39.960 as many podcasts as there are people. I want there 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:42.119 to be twice as many podcasts as people, and until 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:47.280 there are I will continue to throw I laughed, but 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:51.359 it hit me in the throat. Well, you know what 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:54.439 they say about throats, Michael Products and Services. It's the 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:58.600 laziest part of the body, that's true. All right, we're back. 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:03.320 Well there's parstalsis so l Ron Hubbard aw Tour director 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:05.560 was still desperately afraid of being brought in by a 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:08.280