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Speaker 1: What again, l ronning my hubbards. It's part two Hubbard's

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Speaker 1: death episodes. My guests, as with last time, Abe Epperson,

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Speaker 1: Michael Swain, none of you will have noticed the joke

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Speaker 1: in that, but I pointed to the wrong person. It

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Speaker 1: I'm going to throw during this episode, tired of the bagels,

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Speaker 1: so Robert took out his big knife and I was

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Speaker 1: stabbing a plastic of a many many Kleenex boxes. He

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Speaker 1: pulled one off. I'm gonna be throwing clean X boxes.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw the first one to the window right

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Speaker 1: and if you know the rest of that song, you

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Speaker 1: know why we need so much clean Ax. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: of clean ax. That is a lot of CLEANX. He

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Speaker 1: those bad boys and throw individual kleen Ax. But that's

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Speaker 1: throwing a whole box of clean is it? Important to

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Speaker 1: would love to toss themself. Hello everyone on their early

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Speaker 1: other pig. It's your drive times. You know what I hate?

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Speaker 1: it's Sophie. Well, we've already established the joke. So this

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Speaker 1: what else is fine? Ron Hubbard's career. I disagree. I

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be bad, because this is a master class.

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Speaker 1: Revolt in the Stars. This was a dramatization of one

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Speaker 1: So the rough plot was that an evil space dictator Xenu,

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Speaker 1: verse ghost. Now, if you paid attention to anything I've

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Speaker 1: like the MANI Python, the funniest joke that you can't see.

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Speaker 1: l Forty years after his claims about Excalibur started, Hubbard

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Speaker 1: Well there's parstalsis so l Ron Hubbard aw Tour director

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Speaker 1: something in my hand and it fell to the floor.

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00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 1: I said, who in the world is that? They said

424
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: it was the Boss. We weren't allowed to use the

425
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,439
Speaker 1: name Hubbard for security reasons. You mean the leader of

426
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 1: the church speaks like that, I asked, Oh, yes, was

427
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 1: the reply. He doesn't believe in keeping anything back. Yeah,

428
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: this is straight out of the book of a usc

429
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: School Cinematic Arts. Actually, goddamn sons of bitches. Adele's first

430
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 1: big job was makeup assistant on a Hubbard flick called

431
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: The Unfathomable Man. It was a modest project, covering the

432
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: entire history of the human race from the beginning of

433
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 1: time to the modern era through the eyes of el

434
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: Run Hubbard. I'm sorry that this is a great time.

435
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 1: You can't even think of it. What's the first thing

436
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: you think? Well, he's a man. Well, I can think

437
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 1: of a man. You can't not this guy. Adele's recollections

438
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: make it sound rather surprisingly like a Sam Raimi flick quote.

439
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 1: Did he ever like those films to be bloody? It

440
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 1: was enough to make you sick. We'd be shooting a

441
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: scene and all of a sudden he'd yell, stop, make

442
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: it more gory. We'd go running out on the set

443
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: and with all this carrow syrup and food coloring, and

444
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: we'd just dump it all over the actors. Then we'd

445
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 1: foam some more, and he'd stop it again and say

446
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 1: it's still not gory enough. Then we'd throw more blood

447
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: on them. Well, he's competing with the Bible, so he's

448
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: kind of matches. Every religion needs to match a certain

449
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: level of gore just to keep our interest. I just

450
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: imagine him at monitor and when they nail like how

451
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 1: much blood, He's just yes, this will bring scientology to

452
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,479
Speaker 1: the masses. Okay, now pour some blood on me. Okay,

453
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: now we can continue. Get the disguises. The movie included

454
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: a scene where an FBI office was bombed. This was

455
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 1: understandably al Ron Hubbard's favorite part. He jerked off well

456
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: at that scene I imagine he grew a little over

457
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: enthusiastic and had so much blood dumped on his actors

458
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: that their clothing stuck to their bodies and had to

459
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: be cut off by the wardrobe people. Hubbard made up

460
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: for his general lack of knowledge of how to make

461
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: movies by being an incredibly persnickety asshole. According to bare

462
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: Face Messiah quote, when the Sena Org was shooting in

463
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: the studio, all the sets had to be cleaned and

464
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: scrubbed with special soap every morning before Hubbard arrived, and

465
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: the messengers would go round with white gloves to a

466
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: shear it had been done properly. Hubbard had a director's

467
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: chair that no one else was allowed to sit in,

468
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: and as he was walking around the set, a messenger

469
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: would follow close behind him, ready to put the chair

470
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: underneath him if he chose to sit down. One unfortunate

471
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: girl got the positioning wrong by a few minutes inches,

472
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: and it's the commodore sat down chair. It's slapstick comedy

473
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: until you learn they're like, she was swiftly beaten the yea.

474
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: She was put in Scientology's prison. Yeah, of course, yeah,

475
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: it's real. She was tortured, Yeah, and you know, well,

476
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: it's worth it if the work stands up to the test.

477
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: That's why we have an Academy Award for cleanest set.

478
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: That's very key to filmmak Wait is it really and

479
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: all the specs is a Nobel Peace Prize material? And

480
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, directing a movie, you keep the

481
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: set clean, you place the chair as correctly. You have

482
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: a lot of blood. Now. The numerous stories that Hubbard

483
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 1: tried to film all had grand narratives, usually starting at

484
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: the very beginning of galactic history. One film, The Problems

485
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: of Life, was about a young couple who felt their

486
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: existence lack meaning. They asked for advice from a psychiatrist

487
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: who was played as a violently insane person. The next

488
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: asked help from a scientist who was also violently insane.

489
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: Then they found a scientologist who was a perfect being

490
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: of pure contentment. Keema Douglas, an artist and scientologist who

491
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: spent time with Hubbard during this period, noted quote The

492
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: trouble was that he wanted to make movies that would

493
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: take over Hollywood, but they were terrible, really terrible. The

494
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: crew would have to do scenes over and over again

495
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: before he was satisfied. Occasionally the day would end up

496
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: with a fine well done everyone, but more often there

497
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: were tantrums and he'd storm off the set, screaming that

498
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: it had better be right tomorrow. On Hubbard, fix it,

499
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: fix it for more beatings for you all. I've got

500
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: to go have sex, surprising. It's better be a movie

501
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: when I get back. All the while as all run,

502
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: Hubbard painstakingly acquired roughly the amount of expertise one would

503
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: receive in the first semester of film school. He was

504
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: raising money to make Revolt in the Stars a reality.

505
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: He succeeded in putting together millions of dollars to make

506
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: the film and funneled it through a production company called

507
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: a Brilliant Film Company. Tragically, Hubbard was as bad at

508
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 1: running a production company as he was at everything that

509
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: wasn't infiltrating the federal government. A Brilliant Film Company went bankrupt,

510
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: and Revolt in the Stars was never more than a

511
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: few costumes in an unbelievably bad screenplay. I'd still pay

512
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: a lot to see those pay a lot costumes. Someone's

513
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: got those costumes, someone's got They are like religious art,

514
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: like artifacts. Now, right, there's a church of Scientology where

515
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: there's a case like you'd see a dark light. Yeah,

516
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: like it's that thing we never made. There's and they

517
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: all still have the blood on him, and it's still

518
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: unsure of whether or not it's the fake blood or

519
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: the real blood from the beatings from and when they

520
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: cut them out of the clothes. Yeah, you know, there

521
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: were some scissors accidents. In late nineteen seventy eight, a

522
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: few days after Mary Sue Hubbard and ten other top

523
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: scientologists were indicted for their rampant crimes, l Ron Hubbard

524
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: collapsed while filming a very stupid movie in one hundred

525
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: and twenty degree heat. He recovered, but it had become

526
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: abundantly clear to everyone that the ranch in southern California

527
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: and the strenuous life of an auteur film director were

528
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: not suited for the ailing old man now. During this time,

529
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: el Ron Hubbard continued to receive regular auditing sessions. His

530
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: auditor was a fellow named Mayo, and Mayo grew increasingly

531
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: unsettled about the revelations he received from the Great Profit

532
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: of Scientology. As he recovered from heatstroke. Quote from Mayol,

533
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: he revealed things about himself in his past which absolutely

534
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: contradicted what we'd been told about him. He wasn't taking

535
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: any great risk because I was a loyal and trusted

536
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: subject and had a duty to keep such things confidential.

537
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: It wasn't just what I discovered about his past. I

538
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: didn't care where he was born or what he had

539
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: done in the war. It didn't mean a thing to me.

540
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't a loyal Scientologist because he had an illustrious

541
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: war record. What worried me is that when I saw

542
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: things he did and heard statements he made that showed

543
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: his intentions were different from what they appeared to be

544
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: when I was with him. Messengers often arrived with suitcases

545
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: full of money, wadds one hundred dollar bills, Yet he

546
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: had always said and written that he never received a

547
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: penny from Scientology who had asked to see it. The

548
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: messenger would opened the case, and he'd gloat over it

549
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: for a bit before it was put away in a

550
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: safe in his bedroom. He didn't really spend much. I

551
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: guess it was getaway money. I didn't mind the idea

552
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: of him having money or being rich. I thought he

553
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: had done tremendous wonders and should be well paid for it.

554
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: But why did he have to lie about it. I

555
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: slowly began to realize that he wasn't acting for the

556
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: public good or for the benefit of mankind. It might

557
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: have started out like that, but it was no longer.

558
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: So one day we were all talking about the price

559
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: of gold or something like that, and he said to

560
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: me very emphatically that he was obsessed by an insatiable

561
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: lust for money and power. I'll never forget it. Those

562
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: were his exact words, an insatiable lust for money and power.

563
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: I love yeah, pleesus. Yeah. Also, because if you're at

564
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: that level where you're hit the boss's auditor, you must

565
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: have already been exposed repeatedly to the fact that the

566
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: purpose of auditing is not to keep it confidential. The

567
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: purpose of auditing is to have dirt on people. Don't

568
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: know how this guy didn't walk away with a portion

569
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: of the gold, is what I'm getting. Yeah, he may have. Hey,

570
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: guess what, Boss, Yeah, I have a recording. Now, you idiot,

571
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: you're dying, the old idiot. I think the guy you

572
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: put in that job is the guy you know is

573
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: never going to betray you, right, yeah, Yeah, And he

574
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: didn't while Hubbard was alive. Eventually, it seems like he

575
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: came clear. I'm sure it was a process so all

576
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: the pieces didn't align. But hearing this quote, now, you're like,

577
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: if you felt this way, then you could have walked

578
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: away with a chunk of that gold, probably away with

579
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: one of those suitcases of dirty hundred dollars bills. Because

580
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: if there's anything Hubbard's going to respond to, it's blackmail. Yeah. Yeah.

581
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: After a couple months of convalescence, Hubbard was healthy enough

582
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: to get back to directing movies. Naturally, he made his

583
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: auditor an actor quote. He walked around with an electric bullhorn,

584
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: yelling orders through it, even if the person was only

585
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: a few feet away. The crew were in a constant

586
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: state of fear. He'd say he wanted a certain set

587
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: built and describe it. Everyone would work in a frenzied

588
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: state to get it done, often through the night, not

589
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: stopping for meals and praying it would be right and

590
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: that they would not get into trouble. When he arrived

591
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: to begin shooting me and he invariably decided he didn't

592
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: like it. It had been altered. He wanted it blue,

593
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: not green. Some of the crew would be sent to

594
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: RPF Scientology prison, and others would be running around trying

595
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: to find some blue paint. Then he'd want to know

596
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: white it was blue and not yellow. Have you seen

597
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: the Star Wars documentary, Yes, Empire Dreams where he can't

598
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: pronounce his own gungans, gungansungans. George, you wrote this, Yeah,

599
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: all poetry, right, there's a weird synergy in the fact.

600
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: Did you hear about the plot? Lucas released details of

601
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: the plot he was gonna do if he had done seven,

602
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: eight and nine, and then involved tiny creatures that live

603
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: in your blood called the will. He loves tiny creatures

604
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: living in your books. It's thetans. Dude, you were like,

605
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: they are the same Lucas Now that he is officially

606
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: I guess traded Star Wars to quote white Slavers not

607
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: totally inaccurate. Disc It doesn't mean that one of them

608
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: is on the right side. Yeah, think for the good

609
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: of everyone, he may as well buckle down and make

610
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: a revolt among the stars. I think Lucas is the

611
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: man to do it. He is He's the only man

612
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: to do it. He's the only man to finally make

613
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: revolt among the stars reality. I'm holding Chekhov's kleenox box

614
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: and illustrate another point about filmmaking, which is that you

615
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: should always throw Kleenex at the walls. Yeah, it's like,

616
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: uh yeah, it's like a bullhorn. Yeah, as Chekhov's tools go.

617
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: That one didn't like stretch the tension out. But sure

618
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: it did not. It did not. I didn't go to

619
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: film school. Yeah, don't let that stop you. I just

620
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: we got five more of these Kleenexes that I got

621
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: a toss, and I'm starting to realize I may not

622
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: have that much anger. So some of some of these

623
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: tosses are going to be less impactful than Sorry, just

624
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: where we are right now, can't not toss them. They

625
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: can be sad Kleenex tossing boxes, sad Kleenex. All right,

626
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: let's get back to the thing. Here's Mayo again, talking

627
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: about eln hubbrid is a director and being an actor

628
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: under him. Quote, when I was trying to be an actor,

629
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: I'd have to do the same line over and over again.

630
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: It was never right. It was too loud, too quiet,

631
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: too intense, not intense enough. Then he'd scream, why aren't

632
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: you doing it enthusiastically. He'd end up stamping off, screaming

633
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: that it was all impossible. And that no one would

634
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: do what he said. One of the main reasons why

635
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: he got sick, I think was that he had so

636
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: many failures and so much frustration and upset over the movies.

637
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: Everyone was tiptoeing around waiting for explosions. So yeah, because

638
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: this man is someone who just tells people how he

639
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: wants the world to be and it just happens. And

640
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: in filmmaking they have to like create it for themselves,

641
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: they have to act. It's the one thing like he

642
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: gets through his whole life doing that basically right, and

643
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: it works with his private navy, but it can't work

644
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: with filmmaking, which can't ask force the audience to think

645
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: the movie's entertaining. Yeah, you have to make an entertaining movie, yeah, yeah,

646
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: nor can you get the thing that's in your head

647
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: absolutely perfect every time, like by every performer so so,

648
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: but also as an actor, I mean, come off in Mail,

649
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: I had to say the line a bunch of times.

650
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: That's that's the process of acting for films. You get

651
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: the feeling though that it was like literally for days

652
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: at a time sometimes and it was like he would

653
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: just say more enthusiastically, lesson like he doesn't know how

654
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: to direct you like, he's not sitting down, like like,

655
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: only walk you through your motivation here. You have to

656
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: understand why it's wrong. He was just shouting no, it's

657
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: not right. For well example, a very basic rule of

658
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: directing is it's widely frowned upon to just say do

659
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: this emotion like, that's the most basic director right right.

660
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: I also love that notes. His notes are basically go

661
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: in a direction, go in the opposite director, like these

662
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: ambiguous definitions of what he wants. That sounds real clear

663
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: to me. That sounds like a guy with vision. If

664
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: only he had been a YouTube personality and just said

665
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: fuck it, I will be all the parts and I

666
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: will shoot this advira, he would be a huge hit

667
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: on YouTube if he were alive and younger today, for sure,

668
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: that would that would be he would own that place.

669
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: He would be one of those channels you end up

670
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: on one you're three clicks away from a decent good

671
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: God Year video, and he would be convincing I'm just

672
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: gonna guess you're convincing millions that the Holocaust didn't happen. Yeah,

673
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: you see that kind of cultism and tribalism and like

674
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: twitch streamers and stuff, it's pretty Oh, he would be

675
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: so good at twitch, he would be incredible. Now, I

676
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: do want to note as we as we get to

677
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: this point that that I think the story, like the

678
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: fact that l Ron Hubbard finally failed when he tried

679
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: to stumble into filmmaking, is proof of something important, which

680
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: is that the US Navy and all navies are a

681
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: bunch of pansy waste, little little little woost factories. Okay, okay,

682
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: Hollywood is where shit really gets done. So suck on it,

683
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: fucking aircraft carrier whimps. We got our prop goods. We're

684
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: pretty we're pretty close to the ocean right now. So

685
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm a little nervous. What are they going to do?

686
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: They can't make a movie, That's what this proves. Well,

687
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: we've also such a navy coast guard much like yeah,

688
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: take it, coastguard. Fucking movies is what's hard. Yeah, that's

689
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: the real that's the message here, not these not these

690
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: people have their cushy wars. They're easy jobs on submarines.

691
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: What's hard as movies. Yeah, Well, that's what we can

692
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: all agree is what we do is the most important, best,

693
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: the most important, and the most difficult job. I would

694
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: like to see anyone in the goddamn Navy tossa clean xbox.

695
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: See I expected you to grab that clean xbox, and

696
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: you grab that one, so now you have to go

697
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: to jail. Fun fact, all of Hollywood's like Dolly industry,

698
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: the things that move cameras in space kind of thing

699
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: that was all adopted from Navy. Uh technology for putting

700
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: bombs into places. We've been reverse infiltrated by some navy.

701
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: Navy you're in the pocket of big Navy, aren't you.

702
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: I am a big Navy rucually different from old Navy. Sorry, Navy,

703
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm not really that Sorry. It's fun. You got boats.

704
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 1: You're fine now. Eventually, the stress of running the Center

705
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: organ dealing with the brutal California desert climate, as well

706
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: as his growing fear that the FBI was closing in

707
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,479
Speaker 1: on him, forced l Ron Hoverd to make what would

708
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: become his very last move to a tiny farming town

709
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: called Himmet California. Oh boy, lots of time and yeah,

710
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: a nice little camping camping well around Himmet area. I

711
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: love camping and you know what else, I love products,

712
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: oh services, Just those two things. No other room for

713
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: love in my life. Boy, just product service. The rule

714
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: of three is not being fulfilled. Is going to just

715
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: kill me? This whole break well, yea, too bad. I

716
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: could not condiments. I hope, I really, I hope. I

717
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: hope it's a condoment for Gooper's peanut butter and jelly

718
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: and one condiment once we're back. So l Ron Hubbard

719
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: moved to Hemmett, California, in secret. His location was known

720
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: only to a handful of people within the church for

721
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: the next six years. The number of people Hubbard interacted

722
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: with regularly wouldn't be enough to make up two full

723
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: baseball teams or basketball teams, whichever one smaller. I think

724
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: it's five people on basketball right. Well, this is on

725
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: the court's on the court. There's more people in baseball team.

726
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: There's more people in baseball teams. That's also way more

727
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: people than I know. Yeah, exactly, curling team. I think

728
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: the curling team. Now, this life of seclusion in hiding

729
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 1: out from justice suited Ron well. According to bare Face

730
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: Messiah quote, although he occasionally threw his food across the

731
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: room when he believed the cook was trying to poison him,

732
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: by and large, he was better timbered than he had been.

733
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: When he was trying to make movies. He usually got

734
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: up about midday, oudit, hit himself for an hour, and

735
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: then dealt with whatever correspondence the messengers had decided he

736
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: should see. In the afternoons, he devoted several hours to

737
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: taping lectures in mixing suitable background music. In the evenings,

738
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: he watched television and reminist to a small but always

739
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: attentive audience. Did you say mixing? Yeah, so he spent

740
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: all day making playlists and yeah, he probably would have

741
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: edited his own podcast. That's a good, harmless old man.

742
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: That's fine, better cute messiah. You know, it's better than

743
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: torturing people in your prison when they don't act right.

744
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: So filmmaking was the that's really really what cracked the chestnut. Yeah,

745
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: really open him up to you know what, I'm just

746
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: gonna chill out. I also can't believe he doesn't have

747
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: someone tasting his food ahead of time. At this point,

748
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: I just assumed he'd have the whole royal like groom

749
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: of the stool to wipe his ass, you know, royal

750
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: food taster to keep the poison out. I want to

751
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: know what tips him on. Yeah, but if he's got

752
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: a royal food tasteres and get to throw his food

753
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: across the room. I proved, like you have clean xboxes, Well,

754
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: I do have toss and food. Yeah, you make a

755
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: plate for yourself and a plate to toss. I throw

756
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: food at Sophie when things aren't the way that I.

757
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: Robert is filling a clean xbox with food. He's just

758
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: shoving it full of food. That's going to be tough

759
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: to clean up. When Sophie gets back, we only have

760
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: three left. We'll leave it for her. We'll leave it

761
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: for her. David Mayo was a member of Hubbard's small,

762
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: attentive audience in the nights. He recalled many evenings with

763
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: a commodore, playing hillbilly songs on his guitar and lying

764
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: about the years he'd spent as a troubadour in Appalasia.

765
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: I think he was making up the songs as he

766
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: went along. Afterwards, everyone clapped, Yes, I desperately want to

767
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: hear some of l Ron Hubbard's wanted. Yeah, there's no

768
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: replacement that. There's nothing that could have as Yeah. Hubbard

769
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: pretending to be a hillbilly singing random songs. Hey y'all,

770
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: little nas X help me out was coming to get you.

771
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: On the days when he went into town, Hubbard would

772
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: wear a variety of absurd disguises, a baseball cap with

773
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: fake hair sewn onto it, stage makeup to all through

774
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: the shape of his face, false eyebrows, and sideburns. Hubbard

775
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: was convinced he looked like a local. No one else

776
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: thought this. Thankfully, the Internet did not exist, and so

777
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: no one in him recognized him either. For six years,

778
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 1: Hubbard's location was kept perfectly secret from the law, the government,

779
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: and even his own wife and children. Gradually, he pared

780
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: down the number of scientologists allowed to be around him.

781
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: David Miskovich, his former messenger, and also at one point

782
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: a cameraman, was often the only person in direct contact

783
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: with l Ron Hubbard. Do you know if he worked

784
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: on the movies? Oh yeah, yeah, that's what he was doing.

785
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: He was, Yeah, okay, that's part of the way. The

786
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: guy anything, Yes, I need cameraman. Hey, guy who used

787
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: to be like a production messenger, you're a cameraman. Yeah, yeah, Later,

788
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: if you could beat some other guys up in a room,

789
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: I guess you can have this. That what happened with

790
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: we'll talk about. Yeah, he needs episode, he needs his

791
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: own three parter, probably to be honest. Now, Hubbard did

792
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: continue sending letters to David Mayo, his beloved auditor. Mayo

793
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: recalls these letters growing more and more unhinged as the

794
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: months turned into years of isolation. Quote in the first

795
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: paragraph of one letter, he said something like, you might

796
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: think I've gone crazy, but I'm still okay. Just believe

797
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: what I say is true. I remember thinking, God, whatever's

798
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: coming must be pretty weird. The en it was real

799
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: demented stuff, berating psychiatrists and claiming they were the root

800
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: of all evil, not just on this planet, but since

801
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: time immemorial. He had figured out that back at the

802
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: beginning of the universe, psychiatrists created evil on a particular

803
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,479
Speaker 1: star system. When I read through it, I thought, my god,

804
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: he is crazy. He can exhort me to think he's

805
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: not crazy, but this letter belies it. I thought I

806
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: had to say it is crazy, but I thought you

807
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: were going to go it's like, yeah, this is kind

808
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: of crazy, because like, who made the scientist a psychiatry

809
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: or asiatrists invented evil in the beginning of time. I

810
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: was always going to be It's always got to be

811
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: the beginning of time. I wish we could know his

812
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 1: that origin of that. I feel like he must at

813
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: some point in his life had one therapy session where

814
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: he went, yeah, I'm a little blue and they were like,

815
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: you're a piece of shit, Like, well, I hate this,

816
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: I hate psychiatry, Like who hurt you? Yeah, little Elrod.

817
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: I will say that his hatred of psychiatrists is more

818
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 1: proof that, like, as a man, even though he didn't

819
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: spend that much time here, he was the living embodiment

820
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles, like this city and a single man

821
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: out of touch with all reality completely and very hungry

822
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: for power. Yeah. Yeah, kind of a terrible place to live.

823
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: It's so specific and consistent, like it rubbed off on

824
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise he did that appearance where he famously was

825
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: psychiatry is evil that it's such a core tenant, and

826
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: I don't know of any other religion that's like, also

827
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: the Lord Saith screw chiropractice, but we hate them. It's

828
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: so Buddhism's really anti chiropractice. It's that line the poem

829
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: Ausi man Diaz were like, because Los Angeles itself is

830
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: kind of attestament to that. They're like, let's make him

831
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: metropolis where in the desert. Yeah, and let's where you

832
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: don't make twenty million people there? Yeah, how do we

833
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: how do we plan for this? Still plan? We'll make

834
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: it up at Nope planning? Okay, but we should at

835
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: least have a network of trams and trolleys and no,

836
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: how do one car for every person? How do we

837
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: get water? We just steal it from this other state?

838
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: Now take it from north people. Now, everyone in the

839
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: town's feeling alienated and isolated by the plight of modern man. Well,

840
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: they should pay us, Yeah, because we can fix that. Yeah,

841
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: we cures what ails you. Yeah. Now. By nineteen eighty two,

842
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: lafayet Run Hubbard's letters to David Mayo revealed to growing

843
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: obsession with death. The Commodore was seventy one years old,

844
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: in poor health, and as crazy as a bat on acid.

845
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: Hubbard was still canny enough to know that he had

846
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 1: exactly one great achievement left in him. Oh, Run, Hubbard

847
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: was going to write the greatest science fiction series of

848
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: all time. The first entry in the new Saga would

849
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: be that field. Yeah, Saga of the year three thousand.

850
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: Jake Peer got to him typing Firefly Pilot, what are

851
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: you telling that's why there's only one Sason. Yeah, Hubbard

852
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: did not publish a sci fi story in more than

853
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: thirty years. At that point. Battlefield Earth was a sprawling,

854
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: eight hundred page epic. He declared it the longest science

855
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: fiction book ever written, which might actually have been true

856
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: at the time. I really have no idres. That's not

857
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: a determinate it. That is believable, though, because one thing

858
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: all around Hubbard can do is write incredibly long books

859
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: and never edit them, not for a second. This is yeah, yeah,

860
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: as a sci fi short story buff. Just for the record,

861
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: all of his short stories are mediocre. Yeah. He wasn't

862
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: an amazing sci fi shorts. He was an adequate short story. Yeah,

863
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: adequate an age in which you'd buy a book that

864
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: had forty of them for a penny, and that's what

865
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: entertainment was. He was like a mediocre Netflix series that

866
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: you put like. That's what his science fiction was, because

867
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: like those those little like magazines that would be full

868
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: of stories were like Netflix. Some of them. You get

869
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: some Arthur C. Clarks and it's like BoJack Horsemen or whatever,

870
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: and it's brilliant, and a lot of them are l

871
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: Ron Hubbard, which is like a show or whatever were

872
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: almost always like Flash Gordon like, he never had a

873
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: grand sci fi concept. He put a cowboy in space

874
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 1: and had do cool shit. Yeah, yeah, this is heresy.

875
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: Yeah oh I've turned I looked at the window and

876
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: I've gone clear. Don't say that about l Ron Hobby

877
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: el Ron. So the plot of Battlefield Earth was as

878
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: dumb as it was shitty. Johnny good Boy Tyler, the protagonist,

879
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 1: was one of the last human beings on Earth after

880
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: an alien invasion destroyed civilization. In the thousand years since,

881
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 1: mankind regressed to a feral Stone Age level of development,

882
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: while the evil aliens who now ruled the world minded

883
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: for its resources. Hubbard's ego demanded the Battlefield Earth be

884
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: an instant hit. Thankfully, he had the resources of one

885
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: of the world's wealthiest cults at his beck and call.

886
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: The Church of Scientology, bought fifty thousand copies of the

887
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: book at launch, and also poured millions into a pr

888
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 1: campaign aimed at making it go viral. Scientologists were ordered

889
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: to buy two or three copies each had minimum. Battlefield

890
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 1: Earth was just the prelude to Mission Earth, a one

891
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: point two million word epic Hubbard intended to release in

892
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: ten parts. Yeah, one point two million words and what

893
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: has been written? Oh yeah, okay, because that or I

894
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: was like, was he like pointing at the stands calling

895
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: his shot? Yeah, the sequel, by the way, one million?

896
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: He did that and then wrote it and then did it. Yeah,

897
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 1: like it for some for some reference, I think Lord

898
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: of the Rings trilogy at the top, that has about

899
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: four hundred thousand words total, something somewhere in that ballpark.

900
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: So three Lord of the Rings trilogies. Yeah, yeah. We

901
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,479
Speaker 1: never think about how much goddamn time this guy's spent

902
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: in front of a Typewright, that's one thing that is

903
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: not right. He wrote like a fucking crazy At the end,

904
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: it just says screw Flanders over. So Hubbard actually wrote

905
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: this monstrosit, or at least dictated it to someone else.

906
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: We don't really know, but tragically he did not live

907
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: to see it released in its entirety. On January nineteenth,

908
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six, el Ron Hubbard sent out his last

909
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: command flag Order number three thousand, eight hundred and seventy nine,

910
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: the Sea Org and its Future. In this order, the

911
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: Commodore promoted himself to Admiral, published a glossy photo of

912
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: himself in a new uniform, and about five days later died.

913
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: He did not die alone, but he was not surrounded

914
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: by his friends or family either. His doctor and lawyer

915
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: were the only ones present. Everything about his death was

916
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: handled with the utmost secrecy, but the Church could not

917
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: stop the coroner from looking at the body. The inquest

918
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: found a bandage on his right butt sheet covering ten

919
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: fresh needle marks. It also found traces of hydroxene in

920
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: his blood. The drug is most often prescribed as an

921
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: anti anxiety and anti neurotic medication, in other words, a

922
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: psychiatric medication. The Church steadfastedly rejected the idea that el

923
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: Roon Hubbard had died with psychiatric medicine in his system.

924
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: They claimed that he took the medication as an antihistamine,

925
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: which sure, guys, yeah absolutely. His butt gets famously congest

926
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: This bud gets through congested. Was having antieistamy, Yeah, yeah, exactly.

927
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 1: In a phone interview with the San Luis Obispo New Times,

928
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: church spokesman Tommy Davis insisted he didn't take it as

929
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: a psychiatric medication, that's all. It's one of those things

930
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: that anti scientologists want to make an issue about and

931
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: we're like, yeah, whatever, and emphasized the anger Tommy Davis experience,

932
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: like express to the newspaper, I'm gonna throw another I'm

933
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: gonna throw it. Yeah yeah, ooh that one. Because they

934
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: were all going like he'd be as millions of people

935
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: and we're like as if, yeah whatever whatever. The rank

936
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,479
Speaker 1: and file of Scientology were informed of their profit's death.

937
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: Death three days later, on January twenty seventh, David Miskovich

938
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: addressed eighteen hundred scientologists at the Hollywood Palladium Theater. He

939
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: told them this. At two thousand hours Friday twenty fourth

940
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: January nineteen eighty six, el Ron Hubbard discarded the body

941
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: he had used in this lifetime for seventy four years,

942
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: ten months, and eleven days. The body he had used

943
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: to facilitate his existence in this universe had ceased to

944
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: be useful, and in fact, had become an impediment to

945
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: the work he now must do outside its confines. The

946
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: being we knew was l Ron Hubbard still exists. Although

947
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: you may feel grief, understand that he did not and

948
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: does not now. He simply moved on to his next step.

949
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: L RH in fact, used this lifetime and body. We

950
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: knew to accomplish what no man has ever accomplished. He

951
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: unlocked the mysteries of life and gave us the tools

952
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: so we could free ourselves and our fellow men. Wow. Ps,

953
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: he did himself auditing and he found out he's even

954
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: better than he thought he was. So he's an admirals

955
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: admiral now. So I could not think of the Hudsucker, right,

956
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: you know the Hutsucker Praxy series. Yeah, at six four

957
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: wearing Hutsucker merged with the infinite. That is a punch out.

958
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 1: He should have merged with the Well. He did leave

959
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: us with a little bit of a eulogy to himself,

960
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: because of course I can't be finished with Yeah. L

961
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: Ron Hubbard wasn't going to let someone else get the

962
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: last one. He wrote all the things. There's nothing he

963
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: couldn't have written that wasn't written. And the elegy he

964
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: chose was a song called thank You for Listening from

965
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: an album of Scientology songs titled The Road to Freedom.

966
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: Are you to listen to it? Yeah, we are going

967
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: to hear l Ron Hubbard himself sing a motherfucking song.

968
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: Oh dude, he's gonna tell me he can fuck and

969
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: has a voice like an angel. I hope this is

970
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 1: a Bob Dude. I hope this is a Bob all right, Friends,

971
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: without further ado, the voice of l Ron Hubbard, the

972
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: Boss Music's original Nice Rich Bring said, oh goddamns. They

973
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: would argue the voice so like a dinosaur and a

974
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: children saying what I believe. I only give them fact

975
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: if they believe quite a why it still will have

976
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: him mine. Yeah, I love this song xcept did you

977
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: listen to the lyrics and their passion. I'm gonna toss

978
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: a cleanic, but it's the room. There are also no

979
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: real instruments on this song. That's why I got away.

980
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah karaoke. Imagine listening to this at a funeral. But

981
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: truth is truth. And if they then it's I to

982
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: live with lie. That's their concern, not mine, my friend.

983
00:51:54,920 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: They're free to fantas loves them low line. It sounds

984
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: like it's a full house theme about how you all

985
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: believe me, You're all gonna suffer now this is He's

986
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: hardly nuts to the full house. Yeah, a lot of

987
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: musicals in between the vocals. Yeah, he's breakdancing's surprisingly good

988
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: at break dancing and fucking really way too much instrumentals

989
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: so much. Okay, Now, so that we can't get in

990
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: trouble with copyright concerns, let's discuss linguistically, lyrically, musically, because

991
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: you're both musicians, right, Yeah, you're a rapist much less,

992
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah, you're a rapist and you're you're part

993
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 1: of Cody's band, right yeah, yeah, I consider it Cody's band,

994
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: but I don't know that it is. It's more like

995
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: guys just showing up and which which makes you is

996
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: qualified as l Ron Hubbard to talk about exactly put

997
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: this on the public record. I was kicked out of

998
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: that band, no further comment. Okay, that's true. Yes, Cody's

999
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 1: band he is. He is a prima donna. And we'll

1000
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: be listening to this episode and I want him to

1001
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: record my version of this song once I get a cold. Well.

1002
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: I was in charge of cover the song. Let's cover

1003
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: Let's cover this song. I was in charge of cleaning

1004
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: the rehearsal rooms, and the guys with the white gloves

1005
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: were not please. They kicked me out of it. So, Michael,

1006
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 1: your thoughts on thank you for listening, and on elroon

1007
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: Hubbard's voice let's start with your thoughts on his voice.

1008
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: Abe already stole the best, Like Abe gave me the

1009
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: image that's stuck in my mind, which yeah, it's like

1010
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: Barney the Dinosaur singing to kids, but instead of teaching

1011
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: them how to wash their hands, he's saying, you're all

1012
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: living in a deluded fantasy world. Children. Soon you will

1013
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: get sick from this, do you understand? But listen to

1014
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 1: my Sweet Candy the free two phone. It also sounds

1015
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: like the guy in a barbershop quartet who's only there

1016
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: to hit the loan out of hed to go oh baby,

1017
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: and they're like, the three other guys didn't show up.

1018
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: You got to sing the middle and high. There's not

1019
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: a shot of that guy who hits that loan out

1020
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: and then goes, ah, yeah that loan oue part of

1021
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: the song. God, Abe, your thoughts, uh yeah, mine went

1022
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: immediately through the instrumentation because it's it's just it's shouting

1023
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: something immediately, like from the get go. It's the horns,

1024
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: like you were saying, Michael, they're like clearly fake horns,

1025
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: like someone got like my brother's cassio and is doing

1026
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: like French horn on it. I bet they somehow fucked

1027
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: that up, though. I bet they actually recorded because he

1028
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: had money. He had so much money, so I've never

1029
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: heard a recording that probably was recorded on actual instruments.

1030
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 1: And because they're so bad at recording, like they're bad

1031
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: at filmmaking, they're very similar. It sounds like a Midi version.

1032
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: And you know how I like Middi's, Michael Middi's are

1033
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: my favorite? Your favorite? That's it's it's better than the

1034
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: original the Midi versions. But I wish I or maybe

1035
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: it was. I mean, if this was studio musicians he

1036
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: hired what I be on a Fly on the Wall

1037
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: flo he clearly could have afforded it. I feel like

1038
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: he didn't just because he was so scared that everyone

1039
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 1: was trying to murder him, as secretly the FBI, which

1040
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: is why he didn't just like hire a real production

1041
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: company to make this movie. It had to all be

1042
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: done in house by ar fifteen can fit in a

1043
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: guitar case. He's like, no musicians, no, yeah, exactly that

1044
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: every there's so many moments in this this journey that

1045
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: we've been taking where it's just I want to know

1046
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: what that guy who is just told all right, so

1047
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: you have to learn how Mike, He's like, ah, I

1048
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: my last job was I worked at McDonald's. Yeah, you know,

1049
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: like I into a lot of cases. I was a

1050
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,439
Speaker 1: heart surgeon. Like this has shot at all my area, right,

1051
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: I have no clue how to do this. Well, it's

1052
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: gonna have to be perfect or what he'll beat you. Yeah,

1053
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: he'll wind up in the torture prison as well. I

1054
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: guess I signed up and gave money for this. I

1055
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: do feel like killing myself after listening to it. That

1056
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: must mean it's the best song. It's version of Excalibur.

1057
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 1: It's it's so weird to me that a guy could

1058
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: who could manipulate the emotions of millions of people and

1059
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: strike at something core in us, which is just you know,

1060
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: like the hook to Scientology is, yeah, your life is

1061
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: a mess, and they offer enough that seems believable at

1062
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: the base level that it hooks millions of people in.

1063
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: And yet he doesn't understand tone at all, Like it's

1064
00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: the bizarre. The lyrics are ominous, and the music is

1065
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: like Scientology is the soda that will finally refresh you,

1066
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: like all of his sodas, he doesn't like get how

1067
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: to manipulate people's emotions and yet he does it, and

1068
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: yet he obviously gets it. I will. I didn't want

1069
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: to point out that he was only like pitch. He

1070
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: was pitchy a lot less than I expected. Yeah, he

1071
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: was pitching maybe one or once or twice he like

1072
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: flubbed a note. But I mean he's got mediocre pipes,

1073
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, the mediocre. The main thing

1074
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: that made it sound bad, I thought was that he

1075
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: cut everywhere. It sounds like the melody lines like it's

1076
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: falling down the stairs exactly what It's called the noise gate.

1077
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: And they probably had it to because they don't know

1078
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: what's going on, so they just anytime the microphone is like,

1079
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: oh there's no signal, it just got there's no tail.

1080
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: It's a bunch of lawyers and spies trying to work

1081
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: on it. Also, if the noise gate was off on

1082
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: this track, between every line, you'd hear him go he

1083
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: like breathes in as a seventy one year old trip keeper.

1084
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: Guess there any moment is the final one? Call me

1085
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: the commodore. Well, I think that's our legally mandated commentary

1086
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: over that song. You know what I have to say

1087
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: about fair use. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna chuck my

1088
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: last Cleenex box. That's number ten, babies. The floor is

1089
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: covered in throwing bagels and throwing boxes of Kleenex, a

1090
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: couple of torn up pieces of earlier scripts that I

1091
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: read earlier. What I dropped the top of my water

1092
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: bottle on the ground. I wanted to help out. Thank you.

1093
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: We always leave it a mess because I'm a problem

1094
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: like l Ron Hubbard, And once this show takes off enough,

1095
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: I will absolutely buy a compound in southern Californias and

1096
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: force people to make movies. Yeah yeah, movie maker. No no, no,

1097
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, you'll be boat Yeah. Bring into the cults.

1098
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: They'll be making the movies. I assume you started this

1099
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: show to have a big track record. Educate everyone on

1100
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: people way worse than stuff you plan to do later

1101
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: so they know it's not so bad. Or I might

1102
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: try to take it to the end level. I didn't

1103
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: finish Wild Wild Country, but I'm on board with creating

1104
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: a cult city in the middle of nowhere. I really

1105
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: want to see what your battlefield Earth is. Oh yeah,

1106
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: I want to know what you think happened right at

1107
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: the beginning of the universe. I wish how it relates

1108
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: to you. I'm a psychiatrist. I wish we could get

1109
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: cults to just assemble, make a movie based on their beliefs,

1110
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: and then disassemble. Yeah, I want to see all of them.

1111
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: I wish all movies were made by cults. Yes, they

1112
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: are in a way. It is propaganda, all of it. Yeah,

1113
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: or what would have said? It's true? Yeah? Including this?

1114
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean this is absolutely propaganda aimed at

1115
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: getting me a compound, someone west and a religion get

1116
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: indoctrinated people. Yeah, with just a giant glowing dorito on

1117
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: the spindle that turns everyone at all and in turts

1118
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: of that's your colt. Would be nice because if you

1119
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: funk up the set or robber changes his mind. He

1120
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: wanted a blue, now he wants a green, he just

1121
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: throws a bagel at your heat like it could be worse. Also,

1122
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: I will throw bagels a lot. If you're hungry, just

1123
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: eat the compound because it's made of bagels and big

1124
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: real rat problems. Yeah, you got your five rat quota

1125
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: already rat within three sentence. They're huge carves. These bagel

1126
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: fed rats are becoming too strong. Roberts just threatening to

1127
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: overtake the compounds. Somebody has been feeding them away protein

1128
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: so working out as well. So they're like swollen, enormous rats.

1129
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: And well, we found a dead rat with a bunch

1130
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: of puncture needs in its butt. We think it's the rat.

1131
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 1: You we think they have all Also, the rat has

1132
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: a T shirt that says the Joe Rogan podcast, We're fucked.

1133
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: We're so fucked. Oh god, oh god. Okay, plugs pluggables. Yeah,

1134
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: we uh both he and I, Michael Swave and Abe Epperson.

1135
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: We have a little thing called small Beans, which you

1136
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: can see on Patreon. We do videos and podcasts ourselves

1137
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: and there's a bunch of other great podcasts on that network.

1138
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: You can access it from by going to patreon dot

1139
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: com slash small Beans. And uh, yeah, we were doing

1140
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: another show. I don't know we said this last episode.

1141
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: I can't even remember. Oh yeah, it's the Double Down.

1142
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: In case you only wanted to hear about the last

1143
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: part of the last part of l Ron Hubbard's life. Yeah,

1144
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: we're launching a new show called Off Hours that is

1145
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 1: gonna be basically the whole production team are people who

1146
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: used to work at a psyche called cracked and what

1147
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: was what was? What was that? It was a napkin

1148
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: fulfillment site, you know, they like refill all the paper

1149
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: towels and soap dispensers. But they also ran a web series.

1150
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: And similarly a lot of people who worked on that

1151
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: show are now working on our new show called Off Hours,

1152
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: which will involve four friends sitting around talking about pop culture.

1153
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: Well that sound legally distinct, legally distinct and a good

1154
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,959
Speaker 1: antidote for Behind the Bastard. Yes, it gets you down.

1155
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: Come listen to some mindless bullshit that we won't find

1156
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: out for twenty years was actually evil. Yeah, it's going exactly.

1157
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: Let's get that cultural dipsticks. Well, everybody build a cult,

1158
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: all right, for sure, we for sure shut us up.

1159
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: Were build a cult. Okay, I'm leaving. Well this has

1160
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: been Behind the Bastards. I've been Robert Evans my Twitter, Instagram,

1161
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: at Bastards pod website, Find the Bastards dot com, t shirts,

1162
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: tea public, I have another pod cast. It could happen here.

1163
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: It's sad. Goodbye. M h m h m hm m

1164
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: hm hm