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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey

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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and

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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in

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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or

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Speaker 1: scripted as well. Hey, brain drops, for today's episode of

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King, we have to get into the

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Speaker 1: Katie show. Look, I love all the girls and all

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Speaker 1: the girls love me, but we must dissect the fact

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Speaker 1: that Katie is carrying this show on her back. So far,

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Speaker 1: so far, it's still early in the season, but this

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Speaker 1: episode I really enjoyed. This season is definitely getting hot,

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Speaker 1: so let's just get right into it now. Heath of

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Speaker 1: de Bro, who was born on January fifth, honey, not

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Speaker 1: January sixth, shot to Vicky govisent. That was a joke

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Speaker 1: because Teddy Mellencamp did ask Vicky goversand where she was

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Speaker 1: on January sixth, So have a sense of humor, rain drops. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is not a political podcast. This is one of unfiltered,

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Speaker 1: unscripted conversations. Okay, So on January fifth, one day before

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Speaker 1: the insurrection, half of the bro was born. She was

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Speaker 1: born Meani Meanie Meanie meenie many years before that child. Okay, fine,

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Speaker 1: let's let's move on from it. So Heather debro Is

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Speaker 1: during herself a birthday party forty days and forty nights

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Speaker 1: after her actual birthday. Okay, child, because she told you,

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Speaker 1: Brokie's look y'all spent all of your unlimited funds in

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Speaker 1: the savings account on Christmas gifts and New Year's Okay,

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Speaker 1: and when it's my birthday on the fifth, I want

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Speaker 1: a Disneyland type of extravaganza. No, not the one with

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Speaker 1: So instead of keeping it on her actual birthday, she

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Speaker 1: decided to do it a month later. There we go,

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Speaker 1: all right. So with that being said, she met with

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Speaker 1: Shannon and Jen and said to them, look, I'm throwing

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Speaker 1: I want to invite the husband. I did speak to Tamra,

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Speaker 1: she was instructed by her attorney that it is in

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Speaker 1: her best interest not to attend. Jen freaked out because,

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Speaker 1: as we all know, I'll give you out the quick

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Speaker 1: snapshot of the story, Jen's boyfriend, the handsome Ryan child

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Speaker 1: saving private Ryan Honey was accused of things that apparently

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Speaker 1: turned out not to be really true. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: but Tamar made a statement about the FBI raiding the

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Speaker 1: were going to sue her. Tamra apologized and said that

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that Jen and Ryan had to pay

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Speaker 1: Jen said, well, we spent so much money on attorney

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Speaker 1: suit against Tamera. So I know that attorneys charged you

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Speaker 1: know is Ryan supposedly did issue a cease and desist

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Speaker 1: after she made statements that he felt were false and damaging. Allegedly, Vicky,

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Speaker 1: why I was happy to see Timor apologize. But Ryan's

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Speaker 1: legal action did stop. So look, when it comes to

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Speaker 1: I don't like it when things become legal. I just

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Speaker 1: to Gin. Two things can be true, right, Two things

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Speaker 1: Ryan is the same way you poke Ryan, Honey, Ryan

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Speaker 1: I ain't trying to see anything lego, not at all,

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Speaker 1: Not at all. This is reality with the King, and

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Speaker 1: I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. But

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Speaker 1: I've been trying my best to see your side of things,

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Speaker 1: I text you apologizing, and Shanna's like you text me

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Speaker 1: Alexis and she said, Carlos, I know you're heard on Katie,

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Speaker 1: the show, honey and be held not accomfortable, a caterable. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So moving on, Shannon is like, look, you recorded me

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Speaker 1: because I do my research. I am a journalist. Hey, Portiche. So,

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Speaker 1: as you all know, the show is taped in the

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Speaker 1: state of California. So while Katie and the rest of

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Speaker 1: the cast members were doing a photoshoot, Katie recorded Shannon's outburst.

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Speaker 1: it was audio only. Okay. So when Shannon tells Katie

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Speaker 1: Now Shannon did say watch what Happens Live When Andy

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Speaker 1: Once again, I'm with Shannon. If you are on a

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Speaker 1: Where's your elbow? That was a stretch? Go to pilates, Boo, Katie,

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Speaker 1: strong statement. Katie, what have you done? Because the rumors

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Speaker 1: That's what it's saying on social media, Katie. And the

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Speaker 1: maybe two, maybe three. What did you do? Katie? Come

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