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Speaker 2: Well come, well come, well come, well come, well come, welcome.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all.

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Speaker 3: All right, So on this mini pod, I will tell you, guys,

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Speaker 3: we were having conversations off camera about engaging you guys,

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Speaker 3: and one of the things that we've been wrestling with

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Speaker 3: is having guests. We hear from you guys, and a

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Speaker 3: lot of the people on our team say we wanted

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Speaker 3: to hear you guys in conversation with more guests. Now,

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Speaker 3: the question at issue is will we have guests. We

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Speaker 3: don't want to be an echo chamber. We should have

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Speaker 3: guests that we disagree with, sometimes opposing points of view.

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Speaker 3: Now I have an issue with quote unquote platforming, because

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Speaker 3: there could be an issue with the word platforming. I

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Speaker 3: would say I have an issue with platforming Trump people platforming.

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Speaker 1: What I would call nonsense.

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Speaker 3: So if there's somebody out there who is like a

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Speaker 3: black maga.

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Speaker 1: Person to me, I hate what people say, Oh, I would.

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Speaker 3: Love to see you debate fill in the blank, any

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Speaker 3: half wainted idiot out there, And I'm offended by it

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Speaker 3: because why would I ever reduce myself to sit across

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Speaker 3: equal to me, and I consider them a disgrace to

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Speaker 3: society but most definitely to the ancestors. Should we be

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Speaker 3: platforming those kind of people? Should we be in conversation

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Speaker 3: with people, you know, who may feel differently than we do,

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Speaker 3: but also different in a bad way. I love an

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Speaker 3: intellectual and change of ideas and ideology and disagreement.

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Speaker 1: I don't shy away from that, But I just have.

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Speaker 3: An issue with, you know, I actually with when I

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Speaker 3: was when Angela first started doing television, which I think

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Speaker 3: is so funny.

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Speaker 1: Y'all sometimes will be out and girls will be like,

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Speaker 1: I grew up.

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Speaker 3: Watching you as you grew up. But I remember when

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Speaker 3: I would see Angela and they would have Angela on

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Speaker 3: who is an attorney, former executive director of Caucus Business

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Speaker 3: owner organizer, sit across from somebody who ain't nothing but

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Speaker 3: a maga idiot, Like that's it. And you're presenting these

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Speaker 3: two voices as though they're on equal footing. And I

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Speaker 3: would be looking at this highly offended, and Angela was

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Speaker 3: offended too, as she's saying under her breast for some reason,

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Speaker 3: even though she's sitting around Handa wants us to see

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Speaker 3: this clip, so that's what she's over there doing. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: that is the discussion. That's the discussion that we want

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Speaker 3: to have today, like what kind of guests should we

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Speaker 3: be platforming here? Do you guys want to see I'll

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Speaker 3: tell you I'm not going to sit across from a trumper,

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Speaker 3: But do y'all want to see Angela drag a trumper.

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Speaker 4: On this show?

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Speaker 1: I want to go.

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Speaker 3: Across do you I want to see her confront these

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Speaker 3: people and question them and you know, make a fool

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Speaker 3: to you know, be a heavyweight with her. Andrew, what

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Speaker 3: what do you think? What are your thought? Do you

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Speaker 3: want to have those kind of people on the show?

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Speaker 3: Would you want to interview a person like that?

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Speaker 2: So? No, I mean the the sure answers, No, I

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Speaker 2: mean I probably. I don't mind dissent, I don't mind

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Speaker 2: difference of opinion. I don't mind a good, well informed debate.

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Speaker 2: But just because somebody went viral by their stupidity doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean that we would have a good conversation and good

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Speaker 5: Informed, and I personally, I hope you have done some ship,

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Speaker 5: but there's some credential.

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Speaker 1: You're not just this, Yeah, I got it, but I.

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Speaker 2: Guess yeah, And if you are random to me that

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Speaker 2: somewhere what's been happening is is relevant. What you've been

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Speaker 2: doing is relevant and not just trying to be I

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Speaker 2: don't know, a bomb throw or a flamethrower or somebody

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Speaker 2: who's just trying to get attention, like time out for that.

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Speaker 2: But but if we disagree on something legit or you

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Speaker 2: have a per perspective that I think is curious. Tiffany,

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Speaker 2: I think I was talking to you one day and

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Speaker 2: I was saying, Nope, it was you, Angela.

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Speaker 5: I was talking to you about someone in the Trump.

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Speaker 2: Administration who previously was a Democrat, had previously supported Democrats,

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Speaker 2: lived in California, and made his conversion over to Trump on.

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Speaker 5: Frankly monetary policy at the international level.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, man, this so this you know,

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Speaker 5: But the sensational I'm good on that.

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Speaker 6: Can I ask you all beyond the sensational, Let's say

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Speaker 6: there are people who I actually have two questions, but

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna go this first.

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Speaker 4: There are people like Gavin Newsom right now, right who.

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Speaker 6: Is utilizing his platform, is bringing people onto his platform,

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Speaker 6: like Ben Shapiro or Charlie Kirk or Steve Bannon. And

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Speaker 6: it feels like to me, to be fair, I have

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Speaker 6: not watched this thing, but I haven't seen clips.

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Speaker 1: That's all I see.

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Speaker 6: It feels like to me from the limited experience I've

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Speaker 6: So I am acknowledging that I'm being a hypocritic because

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Speaker 6: I hate when people deserves but I'm absolutely doing I

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Speaker 6: had no desire to watch this shit. So it looks

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Speaker 6: to me like he's trying to Arnold Swarzenegger himself for

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Speaker 6: a potential presidential run, to become more neutral, to become

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Speaker 6: more lukewarm, to be in the middle, or kind of

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Speaker 6: even shifting conservative Allah Ronald Reagan, Allah Arnold Schwarzenegger so

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Speaker 6: I feel like it's it's you know, it's it's not authentic,

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Speaker 6: but it's like I'm going to try to whitewash myself,

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Speaker 6: with Markshawn Lynch and the other guy. And it feels

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Speaker 6: like a mess, Like I'm not talking about that, Like

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Speaker 6: I'm not talking about like, well, now that you said

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Speaker 4: Not like that.

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Speaker 6: But it's more like, let me understand your story, like

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Speaker 6: how did you get here? You know, what led you

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Speaker 6: Like we have, we're in a tipping point right now.

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Speaker 6: We're like, I don't think in twenty twenty two we

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Speaker 4: I don't know that any.

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Speaker 6: Of us would have pushed for that, but there's a

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Speaker 4: Now my tipping point ain't like I had enough. But

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Speaker 4: that's not my tipping point. That's not where I swing.

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Speaker 6: But I understand why there are some people who strategy

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Speaker 6: but I would want to hear from them why and how,

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Speaker 6: And then given your experience with these folks and how

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 6: I don't understand how you do the math of addition

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Speaker 6: I get it if you're like, it's just not my ministry.

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Speaker 6: We've had that conversation before. But then I also don't

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Speaker 6: by this administration by a federal worker, but we platform them.

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Speaker 6: So one took an action that leads to whatever the

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Speaker 4: It's still a story, no less.

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Speaker 6: I just understand how I want to understand how we

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Speaker 1: I mean, I hear you.

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Speaker 3: I just think there've been so many books written about this,

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Speaker 1: There have been like.

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Speaker 3: Leading black folks, you know who's written about the popular

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about this time.

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Speaker 3: We would choose this platform to extend to people who

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Speaker 3: They'd have an exchange with you where you have this

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Speaker 3: are people out there who I'm not even gonna give

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Speaker 4: You want to know who I'm not gonna.

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Speaker 3: Well, wellni willnee Andrew checking us for naming somebody right there.

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Speaker 3: In case you're confused, I'm not very I'm very appreciative

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Speaker 3: who are only superstars because people platform them.

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Speaker 1: Because we talked about them.

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Speaker 3: We shared their clip, not we as individuals, but we

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Speaker 6: I grew up in the school opportunity on TV No, Andrew,

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Speaker 6: I'll be done real quick.

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Speaker 4: I grew up in the school of I want to

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Speaker 4: hear what this means. I'm about to tell you.

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Speaker 6: So on Washington Watch before Row had uh was it news.

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Speaker 1: News before news one?

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Speaker 6: Now he had uh Washington Watched, And every Friday I

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Speaker 4: I forgot this other dude's name that really drove me nuts.

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Speaker 1: These are all black Republicans.

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