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Speaker 1: Previously on Queen of the con Danielle Miller scams victims

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Speaker 1: including her business partner Mackenzie Day. She got into my accounts,

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Speaker 1: changed my emails to a different email with an extra E,

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Speaker 1: and then use all of those to now email, change

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Speaker 1: my address to her address, sent herself a credit card

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Speaker 1: And while she's in jail at Riker's Island, she calls

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Speaker 1: Mackenzie dozens of times, offering admissions to her crimes in

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Speaker 1: exchange for snacks. You'd use the jail commissary as like leverage.

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Speaker 1: and that only strengthens the current criminal case against her.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's when the New York prosecutors ended up

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Speaker 1: Miller now scared of going to trial, pleads guilty to

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Speaker 1: scamming the body factory skincare spots. Are those your please, ma'am? Yes,

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Speaker 1: and is released from Rikers Island with time served in July.

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Speaker 1: What's some point where she called me and asked to

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Speaker 1: I just said no, of course not what bye? But

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Speaker 1: Danielle does end up getting a car and a partner

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Speaker 1: new opportunity. Just keep in mind's a con artists. I'm

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Walton and this is Queen of the Con The

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Speaker 1: Rich Girl, Episode five, Chivalry Theory. On four, two females

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Speaker 1: checked into the Sea Coast Hotel located at one Collins

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Speaker 1: Evan Goldstein, and I are now sifting through Miami Beach

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Speaker 1: police records pertaining to Danielle Miller and her new friend.

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Speaker 1: After leaving New York, they end up in South Florida

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Speaker 1: and it's not long before authorities are alerted to their

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Speaker 1: presence at the Sea Coast Hotel. According to the complaining

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Speaker 1: Miss Grace Boden, front desk manager that females provided credit

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Speaker 1: card information and were allowed to check in. The Seacoast

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Speaker 1: hotel is located in the heart of Miami Beach along

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Speaker 1: sand beaches, fashionable hotspots like South Beach, the ft X Arena,

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Speaker 1: where the Miami Heat Play and Bayside Marketplace are just

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Speaker 1: a stone's throwaway. Daniel Miller and her new accomplice, a

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Speaker 1: woman by the name of Sierra Blasts, who served time

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Speaker 1: at Rikers with Danielle, are now living it up in

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Speaker 1: the Sunshine State. Sierra Blast is twenty six years old

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Speaker 1: posting side by side pictures of the pair at Queen

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Speaker 1: includes identity theft and also possession of stolen property. She

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Speaker 1: reportedly ran a credit card skimming ring in New York

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Speaker 1: work bought expensive designer goods and then sold them on

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Speaker 1: social media to the highest bidder. But now both women

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Speaker 1: appear to be having the time of their lives, laying

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Speaker 1: their exploits on Instagram. Then suddenly, after almost three whole

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Speaker 1: According to a police report, on Friday eight, two thowenty,

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Speaker 1: provided a fraudulent credit card. Yep, another charge back, this

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Speaker 1: time it's for seven thousand dollars. Authorities say Danielle Miller

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Speaker 1: and Sierra Blast used stolen credit cards to pay for

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Speaker 1: were in police custody in the city of Sarasota, Florida,

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Speaker 1: on charges of fraud. Ah the price of being prolific.

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Speaker 1: So while police and Miami Beach are searching for daniel

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Speaker 1: Florida is proving to be fertile ground for these two scammers.

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Speaker 1: Florida as a as a sunny place for shady people.

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Speaker 1: That's David Winker, a bespectacled warrior fighting hard for justice.

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Speaker 1: He's a Miami attorney with a long track record of

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Speaker 1: representing victims of con artists. I saw you on the news.

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Speaker 1: You were representing an elderly woman who a con artist

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Speaker 1: sold her house out from under her without her knowing.

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Speaker 1: Shirley Gibson can only stare at the five thousand square

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Speaker 1: the hell does that happen? That case was a case

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Speaker 1: it would be as simple as me, John, I think

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Speaker 1: send me a cashiers check. That was a case of

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Speaker 1: stolen identity. Someone was acting as her. I have mortgages

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Speaker 1: on my properties. If they tried to do this to

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Speaker 1: the bank would have just seen that, they have alerts,

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Speaker 1: elderly woman's house back? Yes, So I was worried. The

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Speaker 1: Secret Service came and we did controlled calls and we

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was really a lot of work for

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Speaker 1: them to catch them. So I asked attorney David Winker

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Speaker 1: to review the Seacoast hotel case against Daniel Miller. The

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Speaker 1: of the money, right, And I think it's a lesson

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Speaker 1: for victims to like, what did she do? Immediately called

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Speaker 1: here's somebody who's out a substantial amount of money seven

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Speaker 1: County Criminal Court with GRANDA for scamming the Seacoast Hotel.

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Speaker 1: She's arraigned before a judge in May of keep in mind,

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Speaker 1: Dade County criminal court system like a game of Plinkoh.

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Speaker 1: She's assigned a bunch of different public defenders, and prosecutor

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Speaker 1: to prosecute Daniel Miller has offered something called a diversion

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Speaker 1: programs are usually offered to first time offenders, which daniel

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Speaker 1: Miller most certainly is not. Do you think her father,

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Speaker 1: system not to prosecute and not to jail. Yes, victim

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Speaker 1: court records, Danielle Miller doesn't even complete her diversion program

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Speaker 1: Usually only think of a diversionary program. It's first offense

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Speaker 1: them after she failed to meet them. Nevertheless, in May

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Speaker 1: care at all. Why does Danielle Miller continue to do

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Speaker 1: because humans are reward driven. We do what gets us results.

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Speaker 1: She does this because it pays. It pays big. But

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Speaker 1: there's another theory that might explain daniel Miller escaping consequence

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Speaker 1: chivalry theory. Yeah, chivalry theory. It's a big part of

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Speaker 1: the hard truth of the criminal justice system. It's a

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Speaker 1: hard truth. But here's what I don't understand when Miami

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Speaker 1: and the unlawful possession of other people's ideas from that

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Speaker 1: again for a whole other scam in Sara Soda, Florida,

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Speaker 1: Miami is winding its way through the system. The scam

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Speaker 1: Enterprising Detective Carlos Verdoni at the Sara Sota County Sheriff's

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Speaker 1: This Sara Soda scam is far more detailed and far

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Speaker 1: She's actually showing up in person and withdrawing large amounts

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Speaker 1: did use their talent for good, they could go so far.

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Speaker 1: But what makes them a con artist and what makes

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00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: them tick? They get a thrill from the scam. It

429
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: thrills them, you know, like you and I would get

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Speaker 1: a thrill from a roller coaster ride or jumping out

431
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: of an airplane, you know, like an adrenaline rush. They

432
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: get that feeling pulling off these elaborate scams. And my god,

433
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: the difficulty rating on this bank scam she's pulling in

434
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Speaker 1: Sarah Soda is like attend attend because to take over

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00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: someone's identity and even you know, people take over identities

436
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: all the time online and pretend to be other people online,

437
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: but to in person in front of police be regurgitating

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00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: all the facts and figures of someone God, that's next level.

439
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: And here's another truly insane thing that happens when daniel

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Speaker 1: Miller and Sierra Blasts are led into separate interrogation rooms

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Speaker 1: at the Saraceta County Sheriff's office. They're both sitting by themselves,

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00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: one in each room, and at some point they start

443
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: yelling to each other, yeah you okay, Like what's happening? Right?

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00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,239
Speaker 1: That was one of the best parts about putting him

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Speaker 1: in the interview room. There was a room in between them,

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00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: so they had to yell loud enough to be able

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00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: to hear each other again. You can watch a video

448
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Speaker 1: clip of this at Queen of the Con on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty funny. Danielle yelling through the wall to her

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Speaker 1: partner in crime, Sierra Blast, who is yelling to Danielle

451
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: that deputy has told her they know Danielle is lying

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Speaker 1: about her identity, they know she gave them a fake

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Speaker 1: I D And Danielle is shouting back to Sierra. How

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Speaker 1: are they saying? I'm not me? I can't believe this

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Speaker 1: is how ening? Why would I give him a fake ID? What?

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00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: Sierra than yells to Danielle. They found quote multiple fake.

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Speaker 1: I d s in the car Danielle was driving multiple thing.

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Speaker 1: What what the fund is he talking about? No one's

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Speaker 1: talked to me, and I don't know what's happening, Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't get why I'm here. Sierra Than yells to

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Speaker 1: Danielle that deputies told her they found a bunch of

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Speaker 1: cash in that rent to Jaguar as well. So Danielle

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00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: shouts back cover story to explain all that cash. Because

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Speaker 1: I'm saying it again, my uncle, that new car you wanted, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's why I was taking up the eight thousand just now,

466
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: because he really needs a new car. His is really shitty.

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Speaker 1: They're telling each other the story as to why they're

468
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Speaker 1: in Sarasota. You know, we're here because I'm my uncle,

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00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: and oh you're here because you're you're visiting a boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: And they're literally coming up with the story. They are

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Speaker 1: also a bunch of times, while Danielle is alone in

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Speaker 1: the interrogation room and the hours are slowly passing by,

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00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: she seems to be losing her mind. She yells to

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Speaker 1: Sierra blasts, I'm seeing everybody. This is insane. I kid,

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Speaker 1: my ideas fake. Remember when my identity was stolen? Before

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00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: this is exactly what happened, and then I seed the

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Speaker 1: ship out of them. I am gobsmacked watching this interrogation video.

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Speaker 1: According to law enforcement, Danielle has stolen literally hundreds of identities,

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Speaker 1: and here she is impersonating a victim whose identity she stole,

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Speaker 1: claiming she's the victim of identity theft. No like this

481
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: is literally exactly, but it's literally a PTSD from one

482
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Speaker 1: identity was stolen. Tired to this, I gotta point out

483
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Speaker 1: here that this is the go to defense of any

484
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: professional con artist when caught, and any narcissist really, they

485
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: quickly flipped the script and make them selves out to

486
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Speaker 1: be the victim. In season one, the Irish heiriss told

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Speaker 1: the courts that I was threatening her with violence and

488
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: actually filed a restraining order against me one month before

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Speaker 1: I was slated to testify against her at trial, casting

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Speaker 1: herself as this damsel in distress and me as her

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Speaker 1: evil perpetrator. In season two, Lizzie Mulder claimed to be

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Speaker 1: the victim of her lazy, inept clients that she was

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Speaker 1: just trying to protect from themselves. And here you have

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Speaker 1: Danielle Miller claiming she's the victim of identity theft while

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Speaker 1: actually impersonating the victim whose identity she stole and tried

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Speaker 1: to withdraw eight thousand dollars from their bank account, indignantly

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Speaker 1: yelling to her criminal accomplice in the next room, what

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00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: are they saying I was doing taking over my own account? Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's casting the car because I'm gonna buy that car

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Speaker 1: from my uncle, Like what the fuck? Like, we're just

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00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: being held here. My uncle is probably so worried. Do

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00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: Anyelle repeats this fake uncle's story for literally hours and

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00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: hours and is emphatic that she is Erica Beers. Eventually,

504
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: though detective for DON'TI, figures out Danielle's real identity and

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00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: comes back into that interrogation room Hi concealing a fistful

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00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: of her fake I das and her real one. What

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00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: is happiest in that one? We're gonna go over it

508
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: right now? This is crazy? All right? So I spoke

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00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: to your friend what's her name? All right? Are we

510
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: sure on that one? Okay? Making sure? I gotta say

511
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna wrong. We're gonna talk about what happened today

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Speaker 1: before we do that, because we're in the sheriff's office.

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00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: I'm up front. I'm just gonna read your rights. Am

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00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: I getting arrested? Well, you're not technically uncofs yet, but

515
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: you're not free to go because you're you're detained. So

516
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna asked specific questions, I'm gonna read your rights.

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Speaker 1: That's just how the law is. Just we're cleared, can

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00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: I leave through that door? So you are attain And

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00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: that's why I'm asking these Does that make sense? Sort of?

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00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: I don't really understand. Well, in another word, you can't

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00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: just get up and walk out. Okay, But okay, why though?

522
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: Because I'm detaining you to investigate this case, the case

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00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: that occurred at the bank, which I told you earlier, Right,

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00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: but I don't understand how it's fraud with team and

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00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: for me to start that conversation. Right, you have the

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00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: right to remain side and you say it, can it

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00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: be against you the court of law. You have the

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00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: right to start training and have a question with you

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00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: before and during questioning if you cannot afford a higher

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00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: attorney won't be WoT to present you no cost to

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00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: you before and during questioning if you wish, and you

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00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: can decide at any time to expera christ answer me

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00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: questions and make these teams. Okay, So anytime I can

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00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: said I don't want to talk exactly, we can start

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00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: talking and you can say you know what we're done,

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00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: and you say I want to wear or whatever, and

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00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: we go from there. So today is the first time

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00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 1: I ever met you. I really had a hard time

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00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: finding your driver's license. You presented the name of Erica Beers.

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Speaker 1: That is the I D correct that you showed us

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00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: earlier at the bank, Like, this is what you provided them? Yes, okay,

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00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: So when I spoke to the bank, they were able

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Speaker 1: to give me information for Erica Beers, who's in California.

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00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: And then when we went through the car, I found

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Speaker 1: several I d s. One is the name of Daniel Miller,

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Speaker 1: which I think that's your correct I D are those

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Speaker 1: pictures of the Yeah, absolutely, So I just need to

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00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 1: know which person you're gonna be today so I can

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00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: write my report correctly. I want a lawyer, Okay, fair enough.

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00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: At that point, Daniel Miller is arrested for creating and

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00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: using a fake I D to impersonate victim America Beers,

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00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: and then fraudulently trying to withdraw money from her bank

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00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: account in Sarasota County. Okay, you're gonna be coming with

554
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: me now, I'm gonna be taking you over to the jail.

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00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: By the way, it's this sarah Sota scam that first

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00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: exposes Daniel Miller's predilection for using that telegram app technique.

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00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: We unpack an episode one where she tries to scam

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Speaker 1: the federal government out of more than a thousand dollars,

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00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: the one where she buys hundreds of leaked ideas from

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00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: data breaches on her phone using telegram and then assumes

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00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: the identities of dozens of victims, using all their personal

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00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: info to scam hundreds of thousands in COVID relief cash.

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00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: Before she pulls that con on the Feds in she

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00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: hones it here in sarah Sota, Florida. A year earlier,

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00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: she's working with people in other places such as California, Canada,

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00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: New York is basically using cryptocurrencies to pay each other

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00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 1: for the fraud that they're buying. She buys all these

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Speaker 1: identities on telegram using crypto correct At first, Daniel Miller

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00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: is charged with fraud in sarah Sota, but even more

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00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: charges are in the works as the Sheriff's office runs

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00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: digital forensics on the multiple cell phones they confiscate, they

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00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: uncover evidence of even more scams. We had like five

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00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: different cell phones, I believe, and it was two forty

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Speaker 1: four gigabytes of data. I mean, there was thousands of

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00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: audio files. There's thousands of pictures, thousands of text messages.

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00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just there was so much information. In

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00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: the meantime, Daniel Miller is thrown in jail, but then

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00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: the spin starts. She paints this picture, or rather her

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00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 1: attorneys paint this picture on her behalf, that she's at

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Speaker 1: death's door, she's sick, she has a blood disease. She

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00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: was only in Joel I think three days total because

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00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: she bonded out and she was able to get back

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00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: to Miami. So Daniel Miller gets away again, or at

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00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: least it appears that way. But if the pretty people

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00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles have taught me anything at all,

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00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: it's that appearances are deceiving. In the sheriff here is

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00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: very good about allowing us to do what we need

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00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: to do, because Sara Sota County sure as hell ain't

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Speaker 1: Miami Beach. Next time. On Queen of the Con Danielle

590
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: throws authorities a curveball on you. Okay, but will it

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00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: go the way she planned? Will? It sounds like the

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Speaker 1: New York Prosecutor is going to join us. F see

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Speaker 1: it as the same Daniel, and it's so much she's

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