1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: We are tearing up my pod with singer, actor, film 2 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: and television producer and fellow podcaster Lance Bass. Lance shares 3 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: what it was like growing up in a boy band, 4 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: if not the boy band, while holding onto a deep 5 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: personal secret, to finding happiness in his true self, to 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: how life has changed as a married father of twin 7 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: sixteen month old babies. This is just me with Lance Bass. Hi, 8 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: how are you? I? I'm well. I was thinking about 9 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: how we know each other, and I kind of feel 10 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: like we know each other. I feel like I really 11 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: know you, but I don't. I met you years ago 12 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: at Polo in the Hampton's and it was the day 13 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: that I don't think you know this. That was the 14 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: day that I ran into Jill Zarin and she was like, 15 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: what are you doing here? Had you get the VIP bracelet? 16 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: Where are the gift bags? And I was there hawking 17 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: my Bethany bakes cookies, and I'm sure I hawked to you. 18 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: And I couldn't even afford the ticket to get into that. 19 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: That was Super Saturday. It was five hundred dollars and 20 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: I finagled that. And then you smelled really good, and 21 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: I asked you what you smelled like? And you were 22 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: wearing Keels Musk and I then bought it. I loved 23 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: it for years. That's my first understanding of meeting here. 24 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: I love that because I thought our first. I don't 25 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: even know if this was before that, but I remember 26 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: at Chef Dance and Sundance. Oh you're right, then that 27 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: might have been why I had the in to say 28 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: hello to you. Yeah. Maybe, yeah, because I remember because 29 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: I was just at Sundance. I'm like, oh, I think 30 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 1: this is where I met Bethany. Stop it. Because Cheryl 31 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: Hines just reminded me that she met me there, and 32 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: she had a very funny point of view of like 33 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: what I was like there. She's like, I didn't know 34 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: who you were. I was sitting with Tim Robbins, and 35 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: she said, but you were just like work in that 36 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: room and you had a purpose and I didn't know 37 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: what it was, but I knew that you were doing 38 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: something that seemed important. That's what I thought I was. 39 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: I was selling something that's funny. Um okay, so yeah, 40 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: So I then ran into you then and always I 41 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: felt like I've known you because I don't know. I 42 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: feel like I've just seen you different places. But I 43 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: really like you, and I'm really excited that you're doing 44 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: the show. But I don't know a lot about your background. 45 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: I don't know a lot about your life, and all 46 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: I know is that you were in a very famous 47 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: boy band, that you came out, that you got married 48 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: to Michael Turchin, who was the name of someone that 49 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: I went to college with and still have friends with. 50 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: And I have twins. So you grew up in where 51 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: is it? Miss Where did you grow up? So? I 52 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,839 Speaker 1: was born in a place called Laurel, Mississippi. Okay, watch 53 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: that HGTV show called Hometown, But that's about so it's 54 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: a very very teeny town. In fact, I was born there, 55 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: but kind of raised right next door, five minutes away, 56 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: in a little place called Ellasville, so town of two 57 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: thousand people. So I grew up in the country. And 58 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: do you go back and do you feel connected to 59 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: it or does it feel like another planet? No? I do. 60 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: I still feel very at home when I go back. 61 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: All my family still lives there. I'm the only person 62 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: to have escaped going on. But yeah, I get back 63 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: at least three or four times a year, get to 64 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: see my family and my grandparents. Now that we have kids, 65 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: I try to bring them home as much as possible. 66 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: And our saving grace is that we're right next to 67 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: New Orleans, so we're about an hour and a half 68 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: New Orleans. So I would be able to fly into 69 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: New Orleans because it's a straight flight. Especially with kids, 70 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to do that and then just 71 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: drive to my family. So you dip in and out. 72 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: You have a little bit of like real, real country 73 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: and then a little bit of that exactly. It humbled you, 74 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: for sure. And I still all my high school friends 75 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: were very very close, so we're you know, we all 76 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: keep in touch. There's a bunch of us, so we're 77 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: always hanging out and there meet me in New Orleans 78 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: a good bit too. Well. I guess there's probably so 79 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: many people listening that are from small towns, Like what 80 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: how do you get out? If there are movies about this? 81 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: Like not that there's not anything wrong with living in 82 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: a small town, but this is what people dream about, so, 83 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: you know, getting out in the big wide world. How 84 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: do you get out? I guess you just dream. I 85 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: don't know's I was in such a small town and 86 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: I didn't even know that you I didn't know I 87 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: could ever go into entertainment or anything that I actually 88 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: wanted to do because I don't know, just dreams never 89 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: existed really first perfect me. So it was nothing I 90 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: was really going for. It just kind of landed in 91 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: my lap. And I find that happens to a lot 92 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: of my friends in the business too, that yeah, they 93 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: work hard, but the opportunity just kind of landed in 94 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: their lap. And you know, the one that started with 95 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: me was I was in high school. I was a 96 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: junior in high school and the instinct guys were putting 97 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: their you know, the band together in Orlando, and I 98 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: Justin knew me through a vocal coach because he lived 99 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: in Memphis and I lived around Jackson at that time, 100 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: so the vocal coach would come down to Jackson and 101 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: teach some kids. I was in another boy band called 102 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: seven Card stud M. I wish like that name were 103 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: there were seven of us. We would compete in state fairs, 104 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: you know, just local, stupid, little you know group that 105 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: we put together, never thinking we would ever do anything 106 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: with it. U And then yeah, Justin called and said, hey, 107 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: we're looking for a bass singer. I hear you're a 108 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: great bass singer. Would you like to come join this 109 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: group that we put together all started but you didn't know. 110 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: But to that point you did find you did take 111 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: one step at a time. It's a marathon, so you 112 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: took you were at the first mile by knowing that 113 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: you like to saying, and then joining something and then 114 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: getting to get you know, these little things exponentially add up, 115 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: so you were. It does and it prepared me because 116 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: I just I was lucky enough to be in this 117 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: town that it was the number one show choir in 118 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: the world called Attache, And I didn't really know much 119 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: about the show choir world, but it is intense. I 120 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: mean it's like it's the Olympics and so it's these 121 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: high school kids that I don't know how they come 122 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: together and do all the singing and dancing is so synchronized. 123 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: But my director, David Fair, he was just one of 124 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 1: those just asshole directors that I mean just made everyone 125 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: cry and just such a hard ass. But he's the 126 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: one who really instilled what I needed to have in 127 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: me to get into this business. That's funny because I 128 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: had an English teacher that was a nightmare and ended 129 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: up getting fired because of this, Like to the point 130 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: where people felt that it was almost bullying. Where you 131 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: would you would do a math, I mean English, you 132 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: would do an English, there'd be a question and you 133 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: might get the whole thing right grammatically, but if maybe 134 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: you spelled something wrong and that wasn't even what the 135 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: whole thing was about, you get all these points off. 136 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: He was just like evil. You could never get close 137 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: to getting an A. But I learned everything from him. 138 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: And it's funny that you say that. Yeah though, So 139 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: that's an interesting thing about us coddling our kids and 140 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: wrapping them in bubble wrap, you know, and you know 141 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: obviously understand what's going on when you're that young. But 142 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: the fact that now I could deal with anyone in 143 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: this business and I got this, I'm good, that's amazing. 144 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: I gotta go back and find this guy's name. That's 145 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: amazing because I feel the same exact way. Um So, now, 146 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: how long was the whole in sync ride? We got 147 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: together in nineteen ninety five, okay, and then it took 148 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: us a good year to get recognized in our record deal. 149 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: I mean it was a it was a long journey 150 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: for us. Remember I wouldn't sign us at all, so 151 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: we actually signed to a German label in Munich. So 152 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: we were a German band two years before we came 153 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: to America and then we Yeah, we came to America 154 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight, and then it just blew up. 155 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: I mean, Germany was huge for us. We got to 156 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: America and it was a slow role. We came out 157 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: with I Want You Back, and it was like, all right, 158 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: you know, it did okay, it hit the top forty maybe, 159 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: But then we did a Disney special that aired every 160 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: day for three months, and that's what just blew us 161 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: up in America. So just overnight it felt like we 162 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: were the biggest band in the world. Wow. Yeah. And 163 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: it just did not stop until we took our hiatus 164 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: in two thousand and two or two thousand and three. Yeah, 165 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: oh okay. So the question I have, well, were you 166 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: making money or was it these cliche situations with these 167 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: boy bands and the managers where you don't know what 168 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: the hell you're signing and you just want to be 169 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: part of it, you don't make anything. Yeah, we would 170 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: be the picture, you know, in the dictionary of being 171 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: screwed in the business. Yeah, we didn't make any money 172 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: really within sync Glue Prolman, you know, took all of that, 173 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: So we had the worst deal in music history US 174 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: and the Bactory Boys we had the same deal. They 175 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: just kind of scratched out the names, right, But yeah, 176 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: so we didn't we didn't really make too much during 177 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: the end sync base. Yeah, and I have funny because 178 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: it's hard to find a parallel between boy bands and 179 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: the housewives, but they're both campy, sometimes cheesy, cultural phenomenons 180 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: where you get these breakout characters and you really I 181 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: made seven thousand, two hundred and fifty dollars the first season, 182 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: and sometimes you're a little embarrassed, but you also revel 183 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: in it and you love it and it's where you 184 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: came from. And then you're trying to extend How do 185 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: you extend the fifteen minutes of that, right, because it's 186 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, some people don't think it's you're not real. 187 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's not real. It's not real music, it's 188 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: not real television, it's not real entertainment. Right, I mean, 189 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: there are some parallels. So how do you did you 190 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: have a plan to extend or you just always went 191 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: with your passion? Like what were you thinking about it 192 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: when it ended? And had did you, you know, evolve 193 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: that into what your career is now, which is varied. Yeah, 194 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: it's uh, we well when it ended, I didn't know 195 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: it was ending, uh you know, so we were literally 196 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: just taking a six month hiatus. That's when I was 197 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: asked to go to space. So I went over to 198 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: Russia and I trained to become a cosmonaut during those 199 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: six months. And while I was over there in Russia, 200 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, living on a military base with zero communication, 201 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: I knew I had this limited amount of time to 202 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: in order, you know, to do this mission. So I 203 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: had exactly six months and I had to be back 204 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: November first, and so my mission ended up getting scrapped 205 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: at the last minute, and they wanted it extended and say, well, 206 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: you can fly in April, and I'm like, no, I 207 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,599 Speaker 1: have to have to go back. I have to be 208 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: back in November first to start this new album. And 209 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: then I get back and there was nothing to come 210 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: back to. So, you know, the hiatus kept getting extended 211 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: and extended. So I wasn't really thinking about what is 212 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 1: my next move, what am I supposed to do because 213 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: I didn't think there was a second How old were 214 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: you then, and what were you told was the reason 215 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: for the hiatus. Um I think I was twenty three, 216 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: and yeah, it was Justin was doing a solo album. Um, 217 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: that didn't he didn't. He didn't think that it would 218 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: blow up so much and so quickly. So he wanted 219 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: to do the solo album on during our right, and 220 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: then when we came back, it just kept getting bigger 221 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: and bigger and bigger, and so you know, and he 222 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: became Justin Timberlake. So there was no there was no 223 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: way we were going to stop that role. Right. It 224 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: still hasn't it today? Fascinating? And what about what about 225 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: being gay in the South and a tiny town, or 226 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: knowing you're gay, probably saying you're not gay and coming 227 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: out and what about that whole piece of yea and 228 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: being a boy band and being gay? Yeah, God's little 229 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: joke put me in a boy band. Yes, your audience 230 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: is cute girls. Yeah, you get to be in a 231 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: boy band. I mean yeah, but no, it was it 232 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: was scary for sure. You know, it was a different time. Um, 233 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, twenty years ago, you know this the country 234 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 1: was just did not like gay people. It was very 235 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: scary because you would get examples of like Ellen degenerous 236 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: and so how she was treated when she came out, 237 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: and just everyone when you come out, you lose your job, 238 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: not only in entertainment but in any other, you know 239 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: job in this world. I mean, you were easily could 240 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: just get fired for being gay. Um we didn't have 241 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: any really good positive examples of the LGBT community when 242 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: it comes to work. Um. So, and what you were marketing, 243 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: who you were, your target audience were, we'd be wiping 244 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: that out exactly, and you just felt like you're lying, 245 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: which I was lying, but you know it was it 246 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: was entertainment. So yeah, I knew I was gay at 247 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: five years old. I knew it was something I'd have 248 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: to hide my whole life because especially then I was 249 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: super religious. So I was that kid that always would 250 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: go to bed and try to pray the gay away 251 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: and please next morning, I don't want to be gay, 252 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: but in that just kind of that was your daily 253 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: life for as long as I remember, is just thinking 254 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: about I have to hide this, I have to hide 255 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: this because if I don't, I mean I really could die, 256 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: Like someone could kill me. That's how you felt. Torture. 257 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: That sounds like absolute, Like that literally sounds like torment, 258 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: mental emotional, physical torment. Yeah, and it got really bad 259 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: when you know, you hit puberty and everyone's dating, and 260 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: you know, you're starting to want to have a relationship, 261 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: and you start touring around with you know, straight relationships. 262 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: And I had a girlfriend that I really thought I loved, 263 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 1: but not knowing what love truly felt like, right, but yeah, 264 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: you know, and then all the guys you know, go 265 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: home to their girlfriends and we have like a day 266 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: off or something, and then I have to make excuses 267 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: of why I haven't met someone, and you know, keeping 268 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: that secret from your four best friends that obviously know 269 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: something's up. You know, they're not stupid. Um, But I 270 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: just thought if even if I told those guys that 271 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: all our careers would be over, they would hate me 272 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: and the over. So you were, you had it going 273 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: many different directions, like and how much did you see 274 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: in your small town environment other people that were gay 275 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: that you felt were going through the same thing. Um, well, 276 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: there were zero in my town. Um. And even when 277 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: I moved to the next town that had you know, 278 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand people, there still was no there was zero 279 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: out people. Um. But you know, there was one kid 280 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: in our class that was very obviously you know gay. Um, 281 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: and people wouldn't, you know, make fun of them, and 282 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: they're the jokes. You know that it was never in 283 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: danger because everyone just kind of assumed whatever. But uh, 284 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: but the jokes everyone would make would just make me 285 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: feel so uncomfortable, and that even made me go deeper 286 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: in the closet, you know, for people thinking. And I 287 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: was telling me the realty as I knew I would 288 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: never be able to. And then now because I am 289 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: so close as a lot of my high school friends, 290 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: there are several of us that have come out, you know, 291 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: and so there was very oh yeah yeah. And that 292 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: guy in particular just came out just a few years 293 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: ago and living his best life. It's amazing because I, 294 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, in my lifetime in my high school, I 295 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: remember the guy the girl that just seemed different because 296 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: someone in our high school being gay wasn't even something 297 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: that we even that we thought about, Like it was 298 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: just like I didn't even know to think that he 299 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: was gay. He just was very very de dressed, very flamboyant, 300 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: and very you know, alternative and to what everybody else 301 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: was doing. And I but I just didn't think that 302 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: I knew my high school was gay. It wasn't something. 303 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: It wasn't a conversation. To your point, it wasn't a 304 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: conversation exactly at all. That's crazy. Yeah, it's amazing And 305 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: in my high school, Um, so did you try to 306 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: disassociate from boyband life? Did you? Did you? Did you 307 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: revel in it? Do you know what I'm saying? Like 308 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: now I'm doing a podcast called Rewives where I'm really 309 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: appreciating and reflecting on it in a different way versus 310 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: just having left it and being wanting to like have 311 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: it be over there. I'm coming at it in an 312 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: entirely different way that I like bo my term. So 313 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you had that moment where you wanted 314 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: to like not be the boyband guy and be something different, 315 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: but then appreciated it because it's such a great thing 316 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: in history and history. I think the same way. You know, 317 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: at first, you know, when I was trying to figure 318 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: out where do I belong in the entertainment, I was 319 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: embarrassed to be part of the boy band world, because, 320 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: especially then, now people admittedly love boy bands guys, do 321 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, It's kind of like a fun thing now 322 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: And I think the word boy band has evolved into 323 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: so many different groups like Boys, the Men and even 324 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: the Beatles, like everyone's kind of gather now. But uh, 325 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: you know then it was I we got made fun 326 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,959 Speaker 1: of so much. The music industry did not like us. 327 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: They used us for ratings, but they didn't like That's 328 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I feel they sam it's exact way 329 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: like nobody takes anybody seriously. Who's on the Housewives, But 330 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: but they're all watching, and it's people are making more 331 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: money than people in real entertainment. It's interesting saying take 332 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: an advantage of us, saying, oh, this is like kid music, 333 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: it's not real. You know, we were writing ourself. Our 334 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: music was great, and then you start to well, maybe 335 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: we are horrible, maybe we aren't talented. You know, you 336 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: start like believing what these people were saying. You know, 337 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: when the Grammys nominate you nine times and they don't 338 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: give you one, but they're gonna make you perform every 339 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: time to make sure people are watching. But it's just yes, 340 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: you know, we were just not taken seriously at all. 341 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: I think today we actually would be. And you know, 342 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: I think because now you're looking at those that young 343 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: generation of the Justin Bieber's and the Taylor swifts and 344 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: you know they get all the accolades. You know, they 345 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: all you know, people really respect them in the business 346 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: right now are back in our day, you know, teenage 347 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: groups and pop stars like Britney Spears and you know 348 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: Christina Aguilera just didn't get their their dues because well, kids, 349 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: it's funny. This is not the exact same by any means. 350 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: Back in my day, celebrities didn't hold alcohol. You put 351 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: your drink down before you took a picture. And then 352 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: skinny Girl comes out and everybody's got a liquor brand. 353 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: Everybody's got a looker brand because now you know what 354 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Back then, nobody would have a liquor brand 355 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: that would be So it's just funny how things evolve. 356 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: One person does it and then it becomes a whole 357 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: new times true and then you cool. Then you get smart. 358 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: You're like, wait a minute, why aren't we making this 359 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: money like everyone else is doing so like it likes 360 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: to you. You know, people are looking at things a 361 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: different way, like, wait a minute, because this is a 362 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: fine nite amount of time that I'm going to be 363 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: on this TV show or doing this you know this music. 364 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: You have to figure out, how are you going to 365 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: set yourself up for the rest of your life? Exactly. 366 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: It's so confusing to me being in a band like 367 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: that where no one took me seriously, you know, and 368 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: I was more interested in TV and film. I always 369 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: wire was, so you know, I would always produce and 370 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: I love writing, you know, TV and film. But going 371 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: into an industry like TV and film coming from this 372 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: boy band era was not an easy transition because no, yeah, 373 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: they just like, yeah, I think you leaning into it though, 374 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like every we all get caught 375 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: up in impostor syndrome. Yeah. I mean when I was 376 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: talking to Paul, my fiance, a couple of years ago, 377 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: and he was like, I didn't know what to rewatch. 378 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: I've never listened to a podcast. I don't listen to 379 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: so he said, they're doing these rewatch podcasts and I said, 380 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. And he's like, they're 381 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: doing I don't know if it was Scrubs or I 382 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: forgot what he was saying. And he's like, you got 383 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: someone is going to do this with the housewives And 384 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: I said, right, but like that's lame, Like am I 385 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: doing that? And he was like, I don't know, you're 386 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: that changes on the floor who But he said this, 387 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: I would never say this about myself. He's like, people 388 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: want to hear Tom Brady talk about the game. They 389 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,239 Speaker 1: don't want to hear some like Fifth String House if 390 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: you should be talking about the housewives from the inside 391 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: and the outside. So I finally it took me a 392 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: while to lean into it. And it's massively successful, and 393 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, why was I being the way that you 394 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: are about the boy band thing? You know, like lean in? 395 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: You know, so it's true and you know people, You 396 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: got to give the people what they want, and yes, 397 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: thank you, don't don't live in the past. So I 398 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: was always afraid to do a show like Frosted Tips 399 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: where we just talk about boy bands. But the fans 400 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: love it and because yeah, you know the stories. It 401 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: might be boring to you, but to the fandoms, they're like, 402 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, they've never heard this story before and 403 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: it's just so exciting for them. Thank you exactly. I 404 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: didn't understand it. It's so niche, But that's kind of 405 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: what TikTok is, and I know you love TikTok. Somebody 406 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: could be organizing buttons, and there's an audience talk about 407 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: seaweed like it's niche. So there's a lot of niche 408 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: content out there right now, and you seem to like 409 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: it as as do I. It's just nuanced. So talk 410 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: about while you're tired, like you have two kids now, 411 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,959 Speaker 1: and I mean tired because of being a parent. But 412 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: I just had this entertainment lawyer on the phone today 413 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: and he was like, you know, we could really build 414 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: this into this, and we could do that into that 415 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, and I go and I say 416 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: this five times a week. It's a deal that's almost 417 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: gonna knock O through. I don't care that didn't happen, 418 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: that didn get picked up. I don't care at all. 419 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: I really am the person that's like I looked at 420 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: my balance. I'm good. I don't want to be a billionaire. 421 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: I come on here, I say whatever the fuck I want, 422 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: and I'm happy if it rolls in and it knocks 423 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: on the door and it's a bag of cash wrapped 424 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: in a bow, put it over here and I'll take it, 425 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: and I'll be happy to take that pile. But other 426 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: than that, I'm good. I am right, and it took 427 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: me years to get to that level. I'm like, what 428 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: am I doing? Like? Why am I running myself so ragged? 429 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: Traveling all the time? Yes, the big when I could 430 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: just like enjoy my life. Yes, do you like it's 431 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: gonna come to you? If it doesn't get developed? Great? Fine, whatever, 432 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: I'm good. I am good. Yeah, it's so true. Do 433 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: you mind if you're younger than I? Do you mind 434 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: if I ask cold you are? Yet you're young? So yeah, 435 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 1: I'm ten years older than used to think about how 436 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: you feel now? And I'm just it's just like people choose. 437 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: I see these people. I see these celebrities. I see 438 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: filling the calendar and we gotta go there, and we 439 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: gotta go here. And their identity is how busy they 440 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: are and the running. And I think that definitely you 441 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: having twins definitely stopped you in your tracks. But you know, 442 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: the learning, the power of no, That's what I learned. 443 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 1: Once I started saying no to all these things, everything 444 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: came to me like all the quality, the quality just 445 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: went way up. Same once I learned that, I'm like, Okay, 446 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: I'm good. The universe is gonna give me what I 447 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: need and I can actually enjoy my life. Same. It's clean, 448 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: it's lean, it's less is more, and it's quality. It's 449 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: so true, and you become the least interested party who 450 00:22:52,720 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: usually wins. Yeah. Um, So Michael Turchin, how did you 451 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: meet him? And what does he do and I don't? 452 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: And what's your cope? What's your parenting style and what's 453 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: your uni Yang? Like, who's who in the relationship. You're 454 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: the peacock, I guess. Yeah, yeah, We're definitely are opposite people. 455 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm just very out there and I 456 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: talked too much and he's just very reserved and quiet. 457 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: But it works. We met twelve years ago. Was our 458 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: first date at Super Bowl? Um, and so Michael, come 459 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: say hi, he's right here. Uh we met yeah super Bowl? 460 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: Well we met before that, but our first date was 461 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: Super Bowl twelve years ago. Hi, my god, Hi, have 462 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: you ever met before? I feel like we have, but 463 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: I don't remember where have we ever met? I think 464 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: maybe in passing brief Now, this is the guy you 465 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: need on on HOUSEWF stuff. He is like, he knows, 466 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: he knows the thing that is his sport, his football. 467 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: So you had a date at Super Bowl. You met 468 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: at Super Bowl. No, it was our It was our 469 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,479 Speaker 1: first date at super Bowl. Nice to see babies are 470 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: crying now in the back. Oh, you texted and said, hey, 471 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: we're both going to be at super Bowl. Explained, well, 472 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: we so we oddly Halloween before, two different days, two 473 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 1: different outfits. We have pictures together, but our friends never 474 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: introduced us. So I have pictures with him, but I 475 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: never met him. Okay. Then two months later, we're at 476 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: a friend's birthday party in Palm Springs and that's when 477 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: I really met him and we had a good, like 478 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: fifteen minute conversation. I was heading back to Los Angeles 479 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: and then on my way back to LA he facebook 480 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: poked me, yeah, do you remember that thing? Yeah, And 481 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: then we just kind of started a conversation and we 482 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: spent every day together as best friends. Because I didn't 483 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: think he liked me, so I was like, you know what, 484 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 1: I need to become really good friends with this guy. 485 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: So I get over the attraction. And then super Bowl 486 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: came around, and you know, we kind of went out 487 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: that day and it was kind of a date, but 488 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: I didn't know if it was a date. Ended up 489 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: being a date. So yeah, And how long ago was 490 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: that that was twelve years ago. And is he in 491 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: the entertainment industry? No, he is a he's a painter. 492 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: He does pop art like a really is behind the hand. Yeah, 493 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: that's his and I like that a lot. It reminds 494 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: me of something and I can't think of what they're 495 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: all his. He's getting ready for the La Art show 496 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: this week. So, I mean this house is just covered 497 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: and glittered. That's amazing. Wow. Okay, And so what about 498 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: the choice to have kids? Was we're both of you 499 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: on board and twins? Like what is that whole process? Yeah? 500 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: Well I knew that he wanted a family just like 501 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: myself early old relationship, so that that was good because 502 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,239 Speaker 1: I knew I always wanted to have kids. But when 503 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: we met, you know, we couldn't even get married, we 504 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: couldn't definitely couldn't adopt in a lot of places. Um So, 505 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: and I didn't really understand what surrogacy was an IVF, 506 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: you know, I never really heard of that before. So, 507 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, about seven years ago when we started talking 508 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: about maybe having kids and learning what surrogacy was, um 509 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: and then it took us about five years to actually 510 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: get our kids. We went through a hell of a 511 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: time you know, figure out, you know, how it is 512 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: going to happen. We went through so many different donors. 513 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: We were pregnant with twins before, but then lost them 514 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: around like six weeks. So you know, it was spinning 515 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: both of your sperm and then it's IVF with the 516 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, the kids looked like both of you exactly. 517 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: So we split the eggs, you know, so you know, 518 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: had a certain amount of eggs. We split them and 519 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: we would you know, make embryos half his half mine, 520 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: and then we put uh, you know, because you can 521 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: tell the viability of the egg of the embryos, so 522 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 1: they'll put the healthiest girl in and we put the 523 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: healthiest boy in. And so we were like hoping that, 524 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, because a lot of times only one sticks, 525 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: but we were just hoping both with stick and they did, 526 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: and that's how we got Alexander and Violet. You have 527 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: a girl and a boy. That is so And how 528 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: old are they now? They're sixteen months now. Oh so 529 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: you're still full? Oh they're babies. Oh you're fully in it. 530 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: That's wow. All tired right now? Oh wow, i'man Well, congratulations, 531 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: that's beautiful. That's I'd say. We hit the jackpot because 532 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: they're beyond it's good. I mean they're so great beyond. 533 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: That's so nice. And your whole family takes on a 534 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: whole different identity and path and all of that. And 535 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: so you're active in environmental philanthropy. How did you choose that? 536 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: Because like, I do disaster relief and it's just interesting 537 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: the road that we end up on, and so many 538 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: things are important. So environmental philanthropy, how did you land 539 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: on that? Well, as you know, I was so I 540 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: love charity, right, and especially when you're young and in 541 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: the business, you're always being asked to do do this, this, this, 542 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: and you're like, yes, yes, but then you get so full, 543 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: so thin, that nothing really matters anymore. You're like, am 544 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: I even helping at all? Yes? You know, you're donating 545 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: here and there to make yourself a but I mean 546 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: not doing anything anything. They're happy. They think it's awareness. 547 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: You feel like a fraud. I feel get it. Well, 548 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: what are you doing? Like are you making an impact? 549 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, it's choosing those things that you 550 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: really like. Okay, I feel like I can do an 551 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: impact here. Um. And so with environmental you know, media association, 552 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: which you know I chair, Uh, it's it's been so great, 553 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: And it was really young. I was probably twenties five 554 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: or twenty six when I moved to LA and I 555 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: was at a dinner party and the CEO of the 556 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: EMAS was there and they gave a presentation like, oh 557 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: my gosh, I never, I never, I never really cared 558 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: about the planet. Sadly, I just did not care. I 559 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: didn't know what the problems were. I remember the ozone 560 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: you know, hole that we had in the eighties that 561 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: we all you know got together and fixed that, but 562 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: I didn't realize how dangerous it was getting for our planet. 563 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: Can you see out of the bullshit? Right? Like so much, 564 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: but I also find it challenging. And this isn't I'm 565 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: not even going to give a disclaimer to me saying 566 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: and not you. It was just something on TikTok with 567 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: Rihanna saying, like I used to use a lot of 568 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: wipes and no more. I have to care about this planet. 569 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: But then I'm thinking about fenty beauty and all the 570 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: plastic and all the stuff, and is it all refillable? 571 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: And I'm not even judging her, but like, there's a 572 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: lot of bullshit. You're not using wipes but you're producing 573 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: endless plastic shit that all these people are buying, you know, 574 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: all this stuff. So I'm just saying, everybody's talking out 575 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: of both sides of their mouth with the environment, and 576 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: every little bit does help, but it's the big things 577 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: that we have to go after first. You know, all 578 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: these huge corporations with their carbon emissions, and it really 579 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: kind of it starts with Congress too. I mean, it's 580 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: really trying to get all these bills passed, and you 581 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: know how impossible that is, you know, I mean we 582 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: you know, had the last president in place, we couldn't 583 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,959 Speaker 1: do anything at Ama. We couldn't even really post things like, 584 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: they would not allow us to do anything. They were 585 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: so environment because you know, climate changes is a fraud, 586 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: you know. They although we have every single bit of 587 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: information about how this planet is warming way too quickly 588 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: and it's basically passed the point of no return at 589 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: this point. But the fact that people can't see physically 590 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: all these crazy storms and what's happening to this planet. 591 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: Oh my, you should talk to my partner Michael, who's 592 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: in Turkey and Syria doing relief work, and he told 593 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: me we were in Guatemala, it was after Hurricane Mario. 594 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: We had done a lot of work there, and then 595 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: we were in Guatemala there was all volcano erupted and 596 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: he said as if he was like, no stre damas. 597 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give Michael Caponi the credit. He said, we 598 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: are about to see a series of storms and weather 599 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: patterns the likes that we have never seen. Because I 600 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: started relief work with Hurricane Harvey and that was a 601 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: big Katrina, and then Hurricane Harvey that was a big deal. 602 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: Then people thought that was a big deal. That's nothing. 603 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: Now like literally, oh Harvey, it was nothing compared to area. 604 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: Then there were fires in our store. I'm just saying 605 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: it's been a very weird, energetic world weather disaster pattern time. 606 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: It's like these aren't headlines because there are too many. 607 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: There have been too many storms and things like that. Well, 608 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: when you do disaster relief, you're so you're happy, but 609 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: you feel like a loser because like it's not even 610 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: a drop in the bucket and you twenty million dollars 611 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: in aid right now in Turkey and you still feel 612 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: like doing anything like we do and we are, but 613 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: like it's hard, so you must feel like are we 614 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: doing anything we're doing it, but are we It must 615 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: be very defeating in a way as inspiring it is. 616 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: It really is. And the older you get in your priority, 617 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: especially like having kids, it's like, do I have the 618 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: energy to do this anymore? It's like, now, can the 619 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: younger generation pickup where we left and just take over? 620 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: Because it's just so tiring, so tiring. Well, that's the thing. 621 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: You have to make sure that other people will do 622 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: it the same passion as you have, because I used 623 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: to go to every single disaster and then Paul would 624 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: say to me and I'd say, it's it's not right. 625 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: I'm not right now in Ukraine, but we've raised millions 626 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: and millions I have raised, and He's like, I don't 627 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: think the president of Coca Cola needs to be putting 628 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: every all the syrup in the bottles. Like I actually 629 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: feel guilty because today I'm on Fox News talking about 630 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: Turkey and raising money and my entire team is there. 631 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: I'm not there, but they are doing God's work and 632 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: I'm just now the sort of messenger manager, the head 633 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: of the whole thing. And I feel tremendous guilt about 634 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: it because I feel like I'm it's I'm an impostor. No, 635 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: well that's definitely not true. I mean, what do you 636 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: have done for these disasters is just insane, And there 637 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: needs to be that person that manages it all. You 638 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: don't have to be the person on the front line. 639 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: I know you get it though, you get what I'm saying, 640 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: of course, Yeah, yeah, I understand that guilt for sure. 641 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, but the one person that's there is obviously 642 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: not going to be as effective as here. But anyway, affective, 643 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,959 Speaker 1: who cares? I mean I care? But okay, so what 644 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: else are you working on now? Like what if I 645 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: had to if I ran into you, if I was 646 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: on a plane with you and said, like, what do 647 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: you do? What would you say? Like, what do you? 648 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: What's your job now? Well, I mean basically TV and 649 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: film has been my baby for a while. Have lots 650 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: of films being made right now, a lot of TV 651 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: shows that you're acting in or producing also, Oh, kind 652 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: of back and forth. I can't decide. Every time. I'm like, 653 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: you know what, I love being behind the camera. This 654 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: is like where I belong. I love this, I love creating. 655 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden I'll get like all 656 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: these offers for like these movies and like, well, okay, 657 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: I guess I'm gonna be an actor this year. But honestly, 658 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: I love it all. So as long as I can 659 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: do both, I'm very happy. So, and what kind of 660 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: characters are you playing? Are you ever playing yourself? A 661 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: lot of the time, I mean, especially with TV, they're like, oh, 662 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: we want you to do you know, blah blah blah 663 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: blah blah, And I'm like, great, what's the character? Like? Oh, yourself, 664 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: but the exaggerated version of yourself. I'm like, okay, I've 665 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: played the aerated version of myself I don't know how 666 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: many times, but this year is gonna be yourself? Isn't 667 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: even yourself anymore? Like anymore? Yeah? I don't. It's a 668 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: character that's so funny. Very few people are like the 669 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: caricature of themselves. That's really interesting. I mean, it's so true. 670 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: But this year I do have a couple of movies, 671 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: great comedies that I actually get to really act in, 672 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: so that'll that'll be fun. And then I've just been 673 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: loving going back in front of the microphone. You know, 674 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,439 Speaker 1: I've had radio shows before, but with Froust to Tips, 675 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: it's going to be It's been really fun. But also 676 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: we're getting into scripted podcast which is kind of the 677 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,959 Speaker 1: new thing. And as a producer, it's really fun because 678 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: you can take your ideas that you create and write, 679 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: you can make a scripted podcast of us, so you 680 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,919 Speaker 1: actually get to hear what it is and then take 681 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: that to the studio and be like, well, here's the 682 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: show you cant No. One of my favorites is coming 683 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: out now. Yeah. It's called The Last Soviet and it's 684 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: a scripted podcast about a true story about the this 685 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: cosmonaut who was stuck in space when communism fell And 686 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: oh wow, fascinating to like just to relive that history 687 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 1: through my cosmonaut's eyes and show you, like just how 688 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: everything is so political, even space. But that has been 689 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: very it's such a great show. What is a cosmonaut? 690 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: A cosmonaut is a Russian astronaut, So oh okay, oh okay, 691 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,399 Speaker 1: got it. Wow, that's I like that. That's so interesting. Yeah, 692 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: And you didn't mention music, which is so funny because 693 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: and I read in some of the research I did 694 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: that people always ask you about the getting the band 695 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: back together. And I did see at the Backstreet Boys 696 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: at the iHeart Awards and I did think of you 697 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: and this and think, wait, why that was so? It 698 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: was the best part of the jingle ball. It was 699 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 1: so iconic and so fun and can't be in alive? 700 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: And I thought, and what is the answer? You will 701 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 1: guys will do that? Or now? I mean, who knows? 702 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: We've been talking about it for twenty years, And I mean, well, 703 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 1: why who? Why don't you organize it? That's so you? Um, 704 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: you would think I'd be the one, but no, I'm 705 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: so music really burnt me out, Like I didn't have 706 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: the best experience in the music industry. So I just 707 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: kind of cut that out. And with my guys, like 708 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: we're very all five of us, very opinionated. It's like 709 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: herding cats with us. It is very, very hard to 710 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: get us decide on anything. Let me ask you a 711 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: stupid question. What would have to be decided upon? Like, 712 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: aren't wouldn't there just be a series of events Like 713 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't you guys just say, yeah, of course, we're gonna 714 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: perform together at the Irheart Awards and perform these songs 715 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: that we've all performed together. Yeah, Like and does it 716 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: have to be with everybody? Like what if if? So 717 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: let's say justin didn't want to do it obviously, or 718 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: maybe like what does he have to be in it? 719 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: It's just you know, one guy thinks that you know, 720 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 1: they're purist, it has to be all five and you know, 721 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: I don't think that. Do you think that the Beatles 722 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: have had multiple different members and the Rolling Stones? No? No, 723 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: I mean I don't think that at all. I mean 724 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: every single band it has different iterations, is you know right? 725 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: They get legacy bands always do that. Um. But yeah, 726 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: and this is giving people what they want. This is 727 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: effectively it could be almost none of you in it, 728 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: but it happens to have you like you want to 729 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: give them what they want. You could almost be the 730 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: caricature versions of yourself doing it. Yes, I mean we 731 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: could be holograms at this point. Just you know, the 732 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: fantais want to hear the music and see the dancing. 733 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 1: I would love. I'm literally calling connal Burne from iHeart 734 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 1: and saying, can you please get them get them back 735 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: together because the iHeart Awards. I mean, I don't say never, 736 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,879 Speaker 1: say never, but I think it's exhausting. It's not one night, 737 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: it's a whole thing. And well, and that's the thing. 738 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: If we did it again. It would have to be 739 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: world tour, new album, like it would be fully exhausting 740 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: to be a one off thing. So yeah, that's so true. Yeah, 741 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: but let me ask you, is Backstreet Boys making fuck 742 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: you money or just good money? Major fuck you money? 743 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: So that's the thing, And thank god because just like us, 744 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: they got screwed through Lou Proman right, and by the 745 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: time their career started kind of going down, they were 746 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: finally making money. But then, you know, it wasn't the 747 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 1: hype that it was. Now I think Back You boys 748 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: are kind of at the peak they've ever been right now, 749 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: totally dude. Yeah, and they own their stuff, they're planning 750 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: their tours. I mean, they are making some time, but 751 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: I respect you not caring that much. You know the 752 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: money they're making. And you're like me with the guy 753 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: who said to me, let's build this and let's do that, 754 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 1: and you're going tour, you do the weekend with Bethany, 755 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I'm exhausted listening. So you're never going 756 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: to get the time back with your twins. It's in fact, 757 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: you won't get back. Its true. So that's why you're 758 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: saying it this way. You have you have a beautiful home, 759 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 1: you have a beautiful relationship. And the blue vase behind you, 760 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: I believe is a Baker raw vase because I have 761 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: it in clear. And this is a crazy story, and 762 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: then I'll let you go. I had fourteen foot ceilings 763 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: in my old department and that vase was on a 764 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: top shelf, just decorative, like it's on your table. And 765 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: I heard a stud in the other room, like an earthquake, 766 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: and I went in the other bedroom in Soho and 767 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: that vase was on the floor with a giant dent 768 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: and those ridges in the floor, and the vase did 769 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: not break. Oh yeah, that thinks surdy. I have a 770 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: big purple one too over there. But how crazy is that? Yeah? 771 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: So anyway, that's what you used exactly. Um, well, now 772 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: I do know you better, Lance, So did you ever? 773 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: Are you still friends of Lisa Vanderpump she's our my kids? Stop? 774 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: Oh you're really good friends with her? Oh yeah, yeah. 775 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: We live real close to each other. Her daughter Pandora 776 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 1: had a kid just at the same time we did, 777 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: so we have weekly play dates and we have music together. 778 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, so we're very very in our in each 779 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: other's lives and it wasn't really, because I always thought 780 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: it was because you were a big Housewives fan, but 781 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: not you don't even it's not because of that, No, 782 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: I mean I knew Lisa before she was on the house. 783 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: I'm the one who told Andy, look, remember this name, 784 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 1: Lisa vanderp you need to put her own freaking bed, 785 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: like because they were just putting Beverly Hills together. I'm like, 786 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: you're going to remember this name. I didn't know that, 787 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: Oh I did. I thought you were a fan and 788 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: that's why. Oh, that's amazing, because a Housewife fan, like, 789 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: let's started dating him. I watch every every iteration of 790 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: house Okay, well one day we'll do rewives and we'll 791 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: do an episode that Lisa was in, because yeah, and 792 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: he could be. He could be. He can chime in. Um, Lance, 793 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: You're amazing. It's so nice to talk to you, and 794 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,959 Speaker 1: I'm really am excited to have heard about your life 795 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: like now to know you better. Yeah, definitely. Well, it's 796 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: always good to see Bethany, you too. We'll kiss the babies. 797 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: Tell us I said hello, and have a wonderful day. 798 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: That was Lance Bass And the show never ceases to 799 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,359 Speaker 1: amaze me. And to be honest, just be on like rewives, 800 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: there's different types of research. With rewives, you watch an 801 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: episode and then break it down with someone and it's 802 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: really usually about the two of you versus the episode. 803 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: With just B, you're I'm doing homework too, and I 804 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: don't do homework in my life. So with just B, 805 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: I print out information about the people and learn about them. 806 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: And you know, I thought Lance Bass was friends with 807 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: Lisa vander Brump because of the House, so I was 808 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 1: nothing of the sort. I thought he was like a 809 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: super fan of House, So I was that type of 810 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,359 Speaker 1: campy thing. Nothing of the sort. He's so calm, he's 811 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,720 Speaker 1: so not extra, you know, he is a character of himself. 812 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: And that's why I love the show because it just 813 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: I get to really get a sense of people. And 814 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 1: I say it a Paul in my fiance when we're 815 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 1: at dinner, I'm like, I actually know Lance Bass now 816 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: from the show. I know Cheryl Hines now, and it 817 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: makes me happy because I feel like I become friends 818 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: with them because we're talking for so long. Even though 819 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: I've known Kelly Ripper for a year, is talking her 820 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,959 Speaker 1: on the show. I got to know her way better 821 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 1: from just listening to her life and knowing what her 822 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: mom was like and things like that. So I love this, 823 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 1: so thank you so much. Remember to rate, review and subscribe, 824 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: and I appreciate you listening, and have an amazing day.