1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Our number two here on the Dan Patrick Show. 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: He's LaVar Arrington. I am Jason McIntyre. We are coming 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: to you live from Los Angeles, and we're gonna be 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: talking about a story near and dear to both of 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: our hearts. College athletes getting paid in the escalade. Get 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: him hooked up, LaVar Arrington, I can't wait to talk 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: about this topic because, let's be honest, you could have 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: cleaned up on name, image and likeness when you were 10 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: in Happy Valley. Yeah. Man, it's let's just get into 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: the topic because I got a lot to say about. Yes, 12 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,639 Speaker 1: I love it and listen, this is one of those 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: rare topics. You know, it's fun to disagree, right. We 14 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: often disagree. Sometimes we'll be in locksteps. Sometimes we both 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: hate something, but we are I think at heart guys 16 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: who like stuff, and it's being seeing others be successful. 17 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: You know, when, LaVar, when my friends level up, I 18 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: don't see it as they're doing better than me. I 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: see it as I like that. I like to be 20 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: around people who are trying to do better and improve 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: their station in life. You know, ah, stopping, You're not 22 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: at all. Come on, Like, like if you were to 23 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: get ahead right now and they were like, you know what, 24 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: we're going to take Jason McIntyre, I'll be like, why 25 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: they take j mac? Come? Why not me? That's the thing. 26 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: I know. I know you're kidding, but like you think 27 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: about it, all those guys who are like I need this, 28 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: I want this, and they chase it once you get it, 29 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: are you ready? You know what they do? You know 30 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: this media race, it feels like a rat race, and 31 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: you know you don't want to just be that guy 32 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: who's comparing himself to others. Because LaVar, we we've both 33 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: seen other people get their own shows, whether TV, radio, podcast, whatever, 34 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: and you know, obviously you know they're getting ahead, and 35 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: maybe you're a little upset, But the reality is those 36 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: folks who get ahead probably weren't ready for it. And 37 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: you've seen them wash out of the industry and they're 38 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: gone just as quick as they passed you. They're gone. 39 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: And guess who's still in the game. You are. And 40 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: in college sports right now, you're gonna see a lot 41 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: of athletes profit off name, image and likeness as they should. 42 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: I'll be honest, LaVar, I had never heard of these 43 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: twins from Fresno State basketball cavenders. Okay, I've never heard 44 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: of them. I see they're sponsored by boost Mobile. I said, what, 45 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: that's not the local pop and mom and pop shop 46 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: or that's real. I looked them up. Of course, they 47 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: have a lot of followers on Instagram. They are, you know, 48 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: attractive blonds who are in college and LaVar. Let's be real, 49 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: you gotta look a little hard to find out what 50 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: sport they play if you go to their ig page 51 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: then but that's just that's life, right, And guess what, 52 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: who cares? Because they have something like five million followers 53 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: on TikTok between the two of them, right, and now 54 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: you're looking at boost Mobile folks, that's not like three 55 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: four figure money. That's probably five and possibly even six 56 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: year pay days for college kids because they have large 57 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: Instagram follows. And I love this. I love everything about it. 58 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: Not everybody's gonna make the same Quarterbacks, defensive stars, skill 59 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: position guys, point guards. They're gonna make a lot. And 60 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: of course a lot of the young female athletes are 61 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: going to clean up, you know, because that's how social 62 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: media works. People love to follow attractive athletes for their 63 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: exploits on Instagram, and LeVar I love all about this. 64 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: Let me give you the big one that just popped 65 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: here in the last few hours. You know, there's an 66 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: MMA fighter academy called American Top Team, and they have 67 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: forty four gyms in South Florida and all over the world, 68 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: and they have a deal with every Miami Hurricane scholarship 69 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: football player, all ninety of them. They're gonna be offered. 70 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: Are you ready for this? Five hundred dollars a month 71 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: up to six k a year to endorse American Top Team, 72 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: just training academy for MMA fighters, as long as they 73 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: do it through social media, personal appearances and whatever. LaVar Arrington, Yeah, 74 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: I love it. Get that paper, guys, now, it's gonna 75 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: be tough. Not every scholarship player can negotiate the big deal. 76 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: If you're the quarterback or a social media guy with 77 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: you know, twenty five thousand followers versus five thousand, you're 78 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: gonna make more money and more power to you. But LaVar, 79 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: I love everything about this. I think with all of 80 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: the positives that come with this new rule change, with 81 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: the as it applies to the naming, and you know 82 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: what's the ipart identity, what is it? Name, image and image, 83 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: image and likeness. I think for all of the positives 84 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: you you probably would be best served to figure out 85 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: what the negatives are and work from there. And the 86 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: reason being is is that there's probably a very small 87 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: percentage when you take take it all into account for 88 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: all athletes and athletics in college, when you take it 89 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: all into account, there's going to be a very small 90 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: percentage that truly profit in an impactful way from this 91 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: rule change, it's still in a way going to profit 92 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: everybody else other than the athlete. And now that may 93 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: catch people off guard and make them think like, oh, well, 94 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: why is that? Like they should be able to make money. Yes, 95 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: athletes should be able to make money off of their 96 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: hard work. Yes, athletes should be able to control their 97 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: their name, their image, and their likeness one hundred percent. 98 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: Here's where the problem takes place is the education and 99 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: when you think about the education aspect and the component 100 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: of where we are now about to enter into in 101 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: terms of the business world of college athletes. I am 102 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 1: not a a I am not a guy who says 103 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: don't pay the athletes. In fact, I've always been one 104 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: who has championed figuring out a way to pay athletes 105 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: in college, because if you pay them in college, then 106 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: they can focus in on their grades, they can focus 107 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: in on playing ball, and and ultimately they can focus 108 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: in on graduating. You know, because most guys, most most athletes, 109 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: especially in the big the major sports. Um, if if 110 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: there's no farm league like you know, baseball or hockey, um, 111 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: even in basketball, really guys are out of there. And 112 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: they're out of there because they are chasing the American dream, 113 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: which is the ability to be able to generate a 114 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: profit off of what their their their talents have been 115 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: able to create for them. It's no different than the 116 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: person that is super super smart and they're going to 117 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: college for you know, some type of degree in aero dynamics, ero, 118 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: you know whatever, dynostics, data DA, data DA, those people 119 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: that are splitting atoms and doing brain surgeries. It's you know, 120 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: it's so weird how how athletics is so minimized in 121 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: terms of respect as it applies to brilliance to be 122 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: able to do the things that these athletes are able 123 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: to do. And in the blinking of an eye, like, 124 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: think about how brilliant you have to be for your 125 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: mind to be able to to generate and give the 126 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: orders to the rest of your body to do some 127 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: of the things we see these guys do. Now you 128 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: take that same brilliance and somebody's applying it to something 129 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: different and their view differently. It's always been extracurricular, you 130 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's all always been after school. 131 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: And the idea of it to me is now, now 132 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: we're going to see a situation where athletes are actually 133 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: going to be put in a lot of ways in 134 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: the same in the same conversations as some of these 135 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: other other you know, I guess categories because there is 136 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: a little bit more freedom in what it is that 137 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: they're able to do. Jay Man, I thought a little differently, 138 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: only that I'm thinking back to my college experience, and 139 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: news flash, I did not play college sports. Cyclavar Arrington 140 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: who was a top flight recruit, and I'm sure agents 141 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: were beaten down his door from the time he was sixteen. 142 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: That being said, when I was in college, the amount 143 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: of downtime I had was enough to play video games 144 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: and drink three four nights a week and chase girls 145 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: around and do other stuff that too. Right, So here's 146 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: my thing. If instead of play video games and mess 147 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: around on this thing called the internet, which kind of 148 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: popped when I was in college. I was able to 149 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: build a following and make money. I think I would 150 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: have gone to build a following and make money route 151 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: as opposed to just goof around and maybe, you know, 152 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: take a couple of ball hits and you know, play 153 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: video games. LaVar. These guys can make businesses now like 154 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: it's and again, I'm just thinking big picture. You zoom 155 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: out and you say, okay, right now, it's nice to do. 156 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: Take some sponsorship money. Pretty cool. I can make five 157 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: thousand dollars awesome. If I can make fifty thous awesome, LaVar. 158 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: You know what the next step is. It's the American dream. 159 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: It's entrepreneurship. It's wait a minute, I can make this 160 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: a business instead of my homie who's gonna go with 161 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: me and goof around all the time in college because 162 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,599 Speaker 1: we've got all this time on off our hands to 163 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: have fun. LaVar, Hey man, why don't you help me 164 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: build this business. I've got the big social media following. 165 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: Let's work together. You go angle me some opportunities. I'll 166 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: sit through them and we can just stack paper and Lavarre. 167 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: Next thing. You know, these four or five figure pay 168 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: days right now, six seven, eight figure pay days in 169 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: five ten years, Like if they can, if the athletes 170 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: can focus on this while crushing school and crushing sports, 171 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: because obviously you still have to stay on the sports 172 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: team and do well. LaVar, the sky's the limit. I 173 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: just maybe I'm being too optimistic and pie in the sky. 174 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: You're not, you're not. But again, I guess what I 175 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: was trying to get at with my first point, and 176 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: I got a little bit, you know, of off the 177 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: rails attach bit. But the idea of it is is 178 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: that the cannon worms that are look at it from 179 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: this way, let me just go straight to it. Now, 180 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: money managers, agents, handlers, they are now all going to 181 00:10:55,000 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: open season on eighth graders, seventh graders, sixth graders. Maybe 182 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: in some sports, maybe in basketball, yes, but but well 183 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: even in yes, it does happen. But now you don't 184 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: have to be on the dark. It's a dark market. 185 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: It's a it has always been a dark market to 186 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: cultivate talent at such early ages because it's considered to 187 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: be this this thing called uh, what what's that called? 188 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: When when you take advantage of someone in there Oh yeah, exploitation. 189 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: That's right, that's what it is. So the idea of 190 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: exploiting talent. You know, we started, we started having conversations 191 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: about early offers to college. Kids are in seventh grade, 192 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: eighth grade, and they're getting offers to colleges for full rides. 193 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: And it's not it's not real, but it is real. 194 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: It's not the things could change within the next year, 195 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: two years, three years. But in that moment, they're offering 196 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: scholarships to these younger kids, and they're like, you know, 197 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: everybody with the whole After a great conversation with the coach, 198 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: I'm blessed to announce that I've got my first scholarship 199 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: offer yere in the eighth grade. Yeah. But now it's 200 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: kind of like it's the wild it will become the wild, 201 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 1: wild West. And I said this on another show. It 202 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: could almost turn into the same type of impact on 203 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: communities that drugs had. And it's a big statement. And 204 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people would be like, man, 205 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: shut up, you sound crazy, But if you really think 206 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: about it, drugs became something that people were more focused 207 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: on than even themselves or their loved ones, and and 208 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: it became an infatuation and obsession, and it destroyed families. 209 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: And that was not just in the black communities, but 210 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: it's prevalent in in in low income, um imparvished communities. 211 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: That's just what it is. This has the makings of 212 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: the same exact thing, because the highest bidders are going 213 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: to destroy these families because they're going to be able 214 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: to come in and they're going to be able to 215 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: buy parents, they're going to be able to buy kids, 216 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: and they're going to be able to buy opportunities long 217 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: before we even know who they are as as a 218 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: let's take this. Let's try for a real world example. Okay, 219 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: little Johnny Nincompoop is an awesome football player. He is 220 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: take the kid, take the kid that dad the super 221 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: Bowl commercial Little Bunchee. Okay, that's fine, but Bunchee was 222 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: the kid that if you were calling the Super Bowl 223 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: uh that that was running. He made like sports illustrat 224 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: like he was all over the place for how fast 225 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: he is. And he colors his hair a different color. 226 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: He's from out here in Califor, Okay, So he's a 227 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: football player. So he's a football player, and um, I 228 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: don't let's just say he's in ninth grade and you're 229 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: an agent. You come to him. What are you selling 230 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: the mom and the dad and the kid right now? 231 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: You don't have to sell them anything. All you got 232 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: to do is bring a bag. But that was already happening, LaVar, 233 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: wasn't that. I don't understand what changed. No, No, because 234 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: now it's legal. Now it's legal. What you're saying is correct, 235 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: but there had to be. First off, you could get 236 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: in some serious, you know, some serious the Cam Newton 237 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: story at Auburn, right, I mean that's been dragged out 238 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: a million times. Right, Allegedly people are giving his dad 239 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: money for a church or church, right, but they were 240 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: really giving it to him. Now that's alleged. I don't 241 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: want people yelling either way. You could get in some 242 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: serious shale time trouble right now, you don't. What are 243 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: you saying now that they come to little Munchee and say, yo, hey, 244 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: bun Bunchee, we're gonna give you. You know, you have 245 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: an Instagram account with one thousand followers, but we're going 246 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: to give you five hundred thousand dollars. You need to 247 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: go to the University of Texas or wherever the school 248 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: is right, is you're saying that will happen, right, I 249 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: mean even worse than that, because they're not going to 250 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: tell you what school to go to. They're just going 251 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: to own your rights. They're going to be buying. People 252 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: are going to be buying. But I mean the parents 253 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: have to be able to sign that deal where they're 254 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: going to give away their kids, right, do you understand what? 255 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: Like That's why I compared it to the dope game. 256 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: You don't have to give an impoverished person too much, 257 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: Like how much do you have to really give? I'll 258 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: give you two thousand dollars a month for the next 259 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: thirty forty years. Just give me your son, give me 260 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: your daughter. Yeah, well, like people are going to start 261 00:15:55,040 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: going like the highest bidder is going to start start 262 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: monopolizing on cultivating talent. And they're not even going to 263 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: cultivate the talent in terms of develop the talent. They're 264 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: going to see the talent and if it's not somebody 265 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: from a strong, stable situation, and even in those situations, 266 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: people are still going to leverage those situations. Yeah, it's 267 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: just I think it could be I think for all 268 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: the great things that can come out of what this this, 269 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: this is going to create for the opportunities for college athletes, 270 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: It's going to become even worse. It's going to become 271 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: a disgustingly ugly situation at lower levels. It sounds like, 272 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: and by lower level you mean like maybe impossible communities 273 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: people don't access or the means to reach out to 274 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: incredible people and say hey, is this I think this 275 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: is even worse than than that, because it transcends them. 276 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: It transcends being imparvished. Because you can if I'm if 277 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: I'm Microsoft, if I'm Apple, if I'm PlayStation, if I'm Greyhound, 278 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: if I'm Mercedes Benz, I don't have to go and 279 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: imparished areas. I can go into affluent areas as well. 280 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: Affluent people want their kids. In fact, they'll pay more 281 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: right because they can. They'll pay for their kids to 282 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: help these usc scandal and the rowing team or whatever 283 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: it goes. Yeah, so our next guest coming up, LaVar, 284 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: will help answer this. Gosh. I hope she has a 285 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: better to answer than I do, so we'll talk to 286 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: her next. But first, where other vans stop short, Mercedes 287 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: Benz vans go far beyond from their customization options and 288 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: cutting edge tech to their five star sales service and 289 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: financial support crew. Mercedes Benz Vans are built equipped an 290 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: engineer to be ready for anything. So go the extra 291 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: mile by taking that all important first step into an 292 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: authorized dealership. Today, LaVar Arrington and myself Jason McIntire, we'll 293 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: be back on The Dan Patrick Show after this. Thanks 294 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure 295 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: to catch us live every weekday morning nine to noon 296 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: Eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 297 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Dan Patrick Show at 298 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 299 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching f s R 300 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 1: or stream us live on the Peacock app. Are you yeah? 301 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: I couldn't tell if that was LaVar requesting this. Wow. 302 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: Uh EPMD crossovers. That what that is? That's exactly what 303 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: it is. Yes. I remember living in the Suburbs. I 304 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: had got my license. I could convince my dad to 305 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: put two twelve inch subs in the back of his 306 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: Volvo Nice and we would we would thump this. Yeah yeah, yeah, 307 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: very nerdy uh Volvo Suburbs rap music base. But you 308 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: aren't nerdy because you had to twelve inch so will 309 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: first though, Sir Win Vegas, I believe was the brand 310 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: at any rate, not to go down memory lane. You know, Leavar, 311 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: we talked about an awesome topic last segment, name image 312 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: and likeness, and we have a great guest, the official 313 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: legal analyst for Fox Sports Radio, Amy Dash, joining us 314 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: to talk and Amy, good morning. How are you? Good morning? Amy? Oh, 315 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: I'm doing fantastic. I'm accepting offers to capitalize on my 316 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: Well you should, yeah. Ay. You can follow her on 317 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: Twitter at Amy Dash TV. Listen, Amy. We we're both 318 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: very bullish and excited for the athletes to profit. That 319 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: being said, LaVar seems to think there could be some 320 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: nefarious characters acting behind the scenes to make this not 321 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,719 Speaker 1: an incredible situation for everyone. I'm curious first your thoughts 322 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: on the new ruling and I guess second, do you 323 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: think that you know, some troublemakers could still be on 324 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: the loose here? Well, I'm thrilled. I think it's a 325 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: long time coming, And legally speaking, I've always really been 326 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: bothered by the fact that people were restricted in the 327 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 1: sports context from capitalizing on their name, image and likeness 328 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: because name, image and likeness is part of one's right 329 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: to publicity. So that is a property right that is 330 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: owned by the individual. So at no time did the 331 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: MC double A ever or anyone else for that matter, 332 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: ever have a right to not only restrict a student's 333 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: right to gain money from their own name, image, and likeness, 334 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: but also the MC double N and those sences as 335 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: profited from others name, image, and likeness that didn't own. 336 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: So it always felt like a fest to me. So 337 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: I'm really happy that now you know, it's sort of 338 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: been forced to back on off. And unfortunately the legal 339 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: process took way too long. And I think that all 340 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: of those athletes in the past that have lost millions, 341 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of followers, depending on how popular the 342 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: athlete was, should get that money back. I mean how 343 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: that would work legally speaking as a whole other animal, 344 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: and that could I could talk about that for hours, 345 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: but I really feel that so many people have been 346 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: wrong since the NCAA should provide some restitutions for people. 347 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: The other question, I think Var's exactly right. I've heard 348 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: of instances where people are literally showing up at you know, 349 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: on football fields or basketball courts and they've just formed 350 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: companies and their approaching these really young athletes, you know, 351 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: maybe are eager to make some money and don't really 352 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: know how to go about that responsibly and professionally, And 353 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: they'll still med these athletes and for example, turning it 354 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: into like an NFT and then selling it off into 355 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: the crypto world and cutting the profits, cutting a piece 356 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: of the profits to the athlete, and it's like, well, 357 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: what becomes of that? And what is going on with NFTs? 358 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: And so there are so many different ways that people 359 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: are formulating companies where they can profit off people's name, 360 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: image and likeness. And I would just put the caveat 361 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: out that people should be really concerned about that and 362 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: make sure that they're surrounded by the right advisor. You know, 363 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: tax implication, the attorneys and all that can get expensive. 364 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: So hopefully there'll be some organizations out there that provide 365 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: some guidance in conjunction with the schools in the NBA. 366 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Amy, because that is a 367 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: big piece of this, and that is a tremendously major 368 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: part of it. I'm assuming it's going to become a 369 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: very very pronounced issue as this moves forward. I also 370 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: think what will come from this is total mismanagement because 371 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: it's just difficult to be an astute business person when 372 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: you've never had to be one before. Now, with that 373 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: being said, looking at how this climate has changed, nefarious 374 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: is a word that j mac us coming into the 375 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: segment with you. Is it nefarious? Is this a nefarious 376 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: situation in your opinion assumption that you know, maybe this is. 377 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: These are powers that be saying listen, y'all have asked 378 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: for this for so all. We're going to allow for 379 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: it to happen, and we're going to show you what happens. 380 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: It could turn into an anarchy type of deal, an 381 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: arcadic type of deal in terms of how things are handled. 382 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: Does that put the NCAA in a better position coming 383 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: back to the table, Like, listen, we tried it. Look 384 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: at what's happening. It's tearing things apart. Now we have 385 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: to institute and reimplement some of the guidelines and the 386 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: rules and the standards that we're there, you know, before 387 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: we allow amateur players to start collecting paychecks. Absolutely. I 388 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: think where it will come in handy is in helping 389 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: to establish perhaps some sort of a union where they 390 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: can be collective bargaining so that all athletes can have 391 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: you guidance in place in conjunction with the NCAA right 392 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: now then has to wash its hands of everything, because 393 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court decision said that the NBA can be 394 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: brought back to court and it can be litigated if 395 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: they try to put a restraint on compensation that doesn't 396 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: serve their own competitive interests, and they have no competitive 397 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: interest in restraining somebody's own personal right to publicity. So 398 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: they've passed the buck to the schools and the legislators. 399 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: The schools are also nervous. They're for the most part 400 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: deferring to state law. Some of the states have laws, 401 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: some don't. The state legislators write the bills, they put 402 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: them into law, and then in terms of practical applications, 403 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: it doesn't always. In fact, most of the time, it 404 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: doesn't work out the way that the law says is 405 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: supposed to be. And you see all of these different 406 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: considerations that people didn't anticipate coming into practice. But I 407 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: will say that we have seen mismanagement. We have seen 408 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: the various characters, if you will, in the form of agents, 409 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: in the form of business advisors. I mean, everyone you 410 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: can think of have already been infiltrating the underworld of 411 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: money and pay for play, as we saw with that 412 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: big NCAA controversy with the FBI, where so many coaches 413 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: and agents and business managers and runners and boosters and 414 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: shoe companies. I mean it's going on. So I think 415 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: now what athletes really need to do is align themselves. 416 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: I would say first with their schools. Perhaps what would 417 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: be great is since the schools are going to have 418 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: some of their own compliance policies that people should be 419 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: aware of. And by the way, some of them require 420 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: athletes to report first before accepting the money and accepting 421 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: the endorsements. Some people don't know that. So I would 422 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: always check with the school first, and then see whether 423 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: the school is in the process of formulating some agents 424 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: or advisors that it can make outside referrals to, and 425 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: if not, perhaps even going to the leagues, like the 426 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: players associations for the leagues, because they are aligned with 427 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: agents that have to be certified through those leagues, and 428 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: those agents might be taking on younger clients. Amy, I 429 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: am curious. Uh. You know, when you when you look 430 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: at something like sports gambling right now and how people 431 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: can profit, you start out with the top and the 432 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: elite gambling operations, and then you move down further down 433 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: the list and there's not enough money to go around 434 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: for everybody. So at the end, you still want to 435 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: make money, you go to maybe little less scrupulous shops. 436 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: Do you think that is a concern for some of 437 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: these college athletes as the high profile quarterbacks and the 438 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: superstars get paid. To the running backs and the point 439 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: guards and the you know, the females or the women 440 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: with the largest social media followings, how far down the 441 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: list do we go before? Maybe the NCAA is like, well, 442 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if we want to let them profit 443 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: from a company like that, Like, is there any concerned 444 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: would say, you know, athlete profiting from marijuana dispensaries? Is 445 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: that a concern? So already built into some of the 446 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: state laws, there are restrictions side young athletes cannot endorse 447 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: these sort of vice companies, you know, alcohol, undling, prostitution, 448 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: So that's there already. Now there are some states that 449 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: don't have any legislation. So in those states, really technically 450 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: the athletes can do whatever they want or not unless 451 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: their schools come up with policies that restrain those types 452 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 1: of things. So that's there, But I would say I 453 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: think the concerns across the board, from athletes that may 454 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: not be as popular or play for D one schools 455 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: to all the way up to the most popular ones. 456 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: You have to always be careful because you can make 457 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: the reverse argument that people who are going to be 458 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: worth more money or more popular, or perhaps more vulnerable 459 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: because so many people are like descending to prey upon them. 460 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: But I think some of the things are innocent. To 461 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: be a little bit more positive about this. I think 462 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: if you're going to do an autograph signing, or you're 463 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: going to promote, like I've seen a lot of people 464 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: promoting food on social media, so after the game, they 465 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: their favorite burger joint and they'll get their food for 466 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: free and they'll just post a picture about it. I 467 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: would really have signing any types of contracts unless you 468 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: have a lawyered using you. And then of course when 469 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: you're accepting money, you do have to make sure that 470 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: if it's not a nominal amount that you're filing taxes, 471 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: that you're paying taxes on that money, and sort of 472 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: how to categorize all that, And then are thinking about 473 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: people reach out to me and say, how can I 474 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: offer an athlete, shoot in my company as an advisor 475 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: to be the face of my company, and of course 476 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: that gets complicated as well. So again, just make sure 477 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: you go to the school first, make sure you're compliant, 478 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: and then make sure that you surround yourself with people 479 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: who are doing their due diligence and think about a 480 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: long term strategy as to how you want to position yourself, 481 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: how you want a reputation build, rather than just because 482 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: in the long run you know it could be worth more, 483 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: rather than just doing subserve a money grabs. There's so 484 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: much to this. I almost feel like this is just 485 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: like one of those never ending conversations because there's so 486 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: much to it and we only have so much time. 487 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: Is it okay if I pivot to a different topic? Uh? 488 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: This Bower situation is one of the most intriguing stories 489 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: and at the same time, you can honestly say it's 490 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: very bizarre and scary and and and so looking at 491 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: the situation from your your point of view and your 492 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: your expertise, how should we be looking at it? Because 493 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: I've heard so many different differing opinions on the situation 494 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: that played out with him and as playing out with 495 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: the the the young lady that he's he was involved 496 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: with in this this situation, UM, can you just give 497 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: some clarity on I feel as though, and I could 498 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: be I don't have all of the information, so I 499 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: want to be very careful on this, but I feel 500 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: as though, uh, if they were on the same page 501 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: when all of this was going down, then there's no 502 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: way that that she should be able to kind of 503 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: almost entrap him, um in this situation. Now again, I 504 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: am fully apologetic if some way, somehow I am incorrect 505 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: in what it is and how I'm assessing it. But 506 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: from my assessment, from the information that I've looked at 507 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: in this situation and how it has played out, it 508 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: just seems really really bizarre and almost like an entrapment situation. Okay, 509 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: So first I wanted I'm going to give you a 510 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: free pass because I'm assuming I have not I have. 511 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: I've just I've I have not read eighty five pages 512 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: of the report. All I know is i've i've I've 513 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: looked at what the calls, the text messages were almost 514 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: basically saying that it was consensual. Those are the things 515 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: and that's why I'm saying. I'm prefacing by saying if 516 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: I am inaccurate. I am fully apologetic if I've put 517 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: it out there the wrong way. But that's why we 518 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: have you on the show, so that you can clear 519 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: it up, so that someone who sounds ignorant like I 520 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: may be sounding right now, can make sure that that 521 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: doesn't remain the scenario. So what I first want to 522 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: say is that I actually sympathize with a lot of 523 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: men outsailor who see these circumstances and might feel that 524 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: just in general, since the Me Too movement, men are 525 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: sort of under attack in the sense that anybody can 526 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: be accused of anything, and you see a lot of 527 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: men in particular being accused of sexual thoughts like that, 528 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: and they're really on their face at first allegation, and 529 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: to some men are saying, well, I can really relate 530 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: to that person who's help been fired or been publicly 531 00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: convicted in you know, to the public, because they don't 532 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: really had their day in court. And so then it 533 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: creates a situation where any woman could accuse any man 534 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: of anything, and all of the sudden, everyone thinks that 535 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: man is guilty before the evidence has even come to life, 536 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: before he's even had a chance of having his own 537 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: desice or even giving his own side of the story. 538 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: So putting all that aside, which I feel that's really like, 539 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, permeates a lot of people's major reactions to 540 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: these sets of stories. Now this is a very different 541 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: scenario because what happened is this woman also the sex 542 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: and sexual encounter, went immediately to the hospital. She had 543 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: her injuries documented. There were medical reports that were MRIs, 544 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: there was extensive testing that went on, she has pictures 545 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: of everything. She cooperated with a police investigation immediately where 546 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: they began recording calls between her and Trupper Bower to 547 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: get him to admit what he did. Here's the simple, 548 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,479 Speaker 1: you know, the simple summary of it. Because a lot 549 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: of people are reading the text messages, and I think 550 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: the text messages are confusing to people. What matters in 551 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: this case are the extent of the injuries. You cannot 552 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: claim consent when you have seriously injured somebody. It's as 553 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: simple as that. You could say rough sex, cyah, yeah, 554 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: that's great, and maybe you slap somebody around her you 555 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: receive them. When it gets to the point of a 556 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: person being seriously injured, consent is no longer a defense. 557 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: On top of that, the woman claims she was unconscious, 558 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: So if she was in fact unconscious, consent is never 559 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: a defense when someone's unconscious, because they can't consent they're unconscious. 560 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: We don't know whether she was unconscious, that's that he said, 561 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: she said, But what we do know is that she 562 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: was seriously injured. She had black eyes, she had a 563 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: busted lip, she was vomiting, she was treated from concussion, 564 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: she had a whole battery of tests. So if you 565 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: look at the medical reports, if you look at the pictures, 566 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: she sustained serious injuries. Therefore, in my opinion, consents off 567 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: the table. You could. I've used this analogy before. It's 568 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: also include beep, but you know what out of me 569 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: or the baseball bat and you go and do it. 570 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: You can't claim most on me to do it, so 571 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: you have to have you know, let's like lightening is 572 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: if if you're in the context of like, don't you 573 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 1: but amy, don't you like just even listening to you, 574 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: don't you think that that's by and like, okay, serious 575 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: injuries like and I'm sympathetic and I'm very very um 576 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: sensitive to to what you're saying right now. Um, but 577 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: people have fetishes. I mean, look, I mean, it just 578 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: is what it is. And some people are probably listening 579 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: to what you're saying and they're like, some people enjoy 580 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: getting hurt that way, and I and listen, I'm just 581 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: I'm just basing it off of of things I've seen, 582 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: you know, and things I've I've read that like you know, 583 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: people have been exposed to seeing those types of acts 584 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: take place where vomiting may happen, or you know, you know, 585 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: there's there's choking and stuff like that, Like those things 586 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: play out on regular movies that you can watch on 587 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: Netflix or cable or whatever it may be. And so 588 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,720 Speaker 1: to me, I'm and and this is just me playing 589 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,399 Speaker 1: the other side of it to get clarity on it. 590 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 1: Because again, if you're saying that is not a valid defense, 591 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: if that's what was asked for in the situation, in 592 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: the scenario, then then how you know, how how is 593 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: there is there a possible other side? Because I heard 594 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: you say opinion at the end of your response. Is 595 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: there another side to it? Yeah? No, I so appreciate that. 596 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: I love these debates because it really makes people think. 597 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: It opens their minds. And so if for example, a 598 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: jury concludes that based on the medical reports and based 599 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: on the pictures. And I said, in my opinion, because 600 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: I think she sustained the series in varies based on 601 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: the reports of looking. But I'm not a medical expert, right, 602 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,720 Speaker 1: So if you get the medical experts on the stand 603 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: and they say these are serious injuries and there is 604 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: a medical threshold for that, and she claims, here's here's 605 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: the difference in the scenario you were talking about, where 606 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: people might be you know, might be seriously injured with 607 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: rough sex, she claims he did not consent to it. 608 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: So if that's the case, and the medical experts at 609 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: turned serious injuries and the jury believed him, then he 610 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: would he would not have the consent defense. Now what 611 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: you're talking about is, yes, people might be seriously injured. 612 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: I mean, this woman had qual marks, her whole face 613 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 1: was scratched up. So when I'm looking at what happened 614 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: to her and I'm hearing her say I consented to 615 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: light rough sex, but I didn't consent to this, to me, 616 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: his defense, you know, goes out the window in my opinion. 617 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: But when you're saying, well, people do get seriously injured 618 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: in the context of rough sex, I would say the 619 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: determining factor is here is whether those people after it 620 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: happened to say, hey, I never consented to this, So 621 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: some people might be really seriously injured or rough. Sex 622 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,760 Speaker 1: could say I'm not going to go to the police. 623 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go to the hospital because I 624 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: expected this, this is what I wanted. She's not kay 625 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: that she's saying, I never consented to him punching me 626 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: in the face, calling at my face, giving me black eyes, 627 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: busting my lip, all while I'm unconscious and seriously injuring 628 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 1: me to the point when I woke up, I was 629 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: shaking and crying and ran to the police, even though 630 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: I was chified of what the public fallout would be. 631 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,760 Speaker 1: All right, Amy, She She is Amy Dash, the official 632 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: legal analyst for Fox Sports Radio. You can follow her 633 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,240 Speaker 1: on Twitter at Amy Dash TV. Amy, that's a grizzly topic. 634 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: I'm not sorry that LaVar brought that up. I got 635 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: a plead ignorance. I was not even aware of this. 636 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: Uh you know, I guess it popped in the last weekend. 637 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: Oh that's a Rut's a rough one. But thank you 638 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: for the time, Amy, and uh, you know, stay safe 639 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,720 Speaker 1: this summer. We had to touch on it, right Amy, 640 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is media the debate where 641 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: somebody is to play devil's advocate, because if you have 642 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: people out there home totally split, especially on social media, 643 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: I'm seeing it people don't understand all the legal nuances 644 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: and complexity. So I thank you for aproaching this difficult topic. 645 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: Hope broached it the right way. Amy. Absolutely, the team 646 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: that's going on Hard Knocks, I just don't know why 647 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: they do this terrible decision that's up next to here 648 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. Thanks for listening to The Dan 649 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every 650 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: weekday morning nine until noon eastern six to nine Pacific 651 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio, and you can find us on 652 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live on 653 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: the Peacock app. Back here on The Dan Patrick Show, 654 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: I'm Jason McIntyre. He's LeVar Arrington. NBA Finals start tonight. 655 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: I just bro I just saw that Chris Paul is 656 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: the betting favorite for MVP. D book is second, Jannis 657 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: somehow third, which is insane. I don't think there's any value. 658 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: It's Chris Paul or Devin Booker. One of them will 659 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: get it. Obviously, it's gonna be Middleton, So no, actually 660 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: going outside of your realm of reasoning on one of 661 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 1: them will get it. It's so funny. I did a 662 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: mock draft for Fox Sports NBA mock draft and Kate 663 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: Cunningham a lot of people have one. I put him 664 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: at two and I said, yeah, Kate cutting him is 665 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: a real nice player. He could be Chris Middleton. And 666 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: all these people took that as a slight like Chris 667 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,760 Speaker 1: middle are you kidding me? Kate Cunningham is like Luca 668 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: don chich And that's where you know the bar. This 669 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: is where discipline matters. I don't respond to those people. 670 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: They don't know anything about sports. I'm not wasting my time. 671 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,959 Speaker 1: Speaking of wasting time, you got one of your boys 672 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,800 Speaker 1: just got drafted by the Cowboys, and now the Cowboys 673 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: have agreed to go on Hard Knocks and LaVar Arrington. 674 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: This to me is a puzzling situate. Why on earth 675 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: would you bring this kind of distraction on a franchise 676 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: that hasn't been to the Super Bowl in a generation 677 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: and has barely won any playoff games in this century. 678 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: And now you got a question about McCarthy dat coming 679 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: off the injury. There's no nobody on defense except your 680 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: guy they drafted in the first round. Like, what are 681 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 1: the Cowboys? Dude? This is a terrible idea, is it? Not? Well? 682 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 1: Out of the choices for Hard Knocks. Um, there's like 683 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: this process that they go through and and and how 684 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: they they come up with who they're going to you know, 685 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 1: who they're going to select for the season, and I'm trying, 686 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm trying to find it as quickly as possible. But 687 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: based off of the other the other teams that were 688 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 1: available to go on, I think the Denver Broncos were one, 689 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers were one, the New York Giants were one, 690 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals were one, and then the Dallas Cowboys. 691 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: To me, out of all those teams, the most entertaining 692 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,359 Speaker 1: team that I will want to watch is the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah. 693 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 1: If you who was the last year? Was it the Chargers? 694 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: I believe so the Chargers. It was dual and rest 695 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,280 Speaker 1: in the new stadium, and there was just no juice 696 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: there none. I mean outside of Jared Goff's girlfriend, the 697 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 1: Instagram model, there just wasn't a lot happening for Hard Knocked. 698 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this Dak Prescott situation is super interesting. 699 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: Um you wonder is um Zeke Elliott gonna have some problems? 700 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: Always something seems to be up with him. Jerry Jones, 701 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, loves the spotlight. I'm sure he's gonna be 702 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: hugging the boys. Man, this was made for TV, and 703 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: I think this one in particular will be pretty you know, yeah, 704 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: I'll put you on the spot. Are the Cowboys making 705 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: the playoffs next year? NFC's loaded, dude, you know this. 706 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: The NFC is so stacked. It's much tougher than the AFC. 707 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yes. Oh, spicy LaVar Area. I thought 708 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 1: you'd saved your best stuff for the final hour. Maybe 709 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 1: we'll have to run through stuff for the final hour. 710 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 1: In the final hour, I don't know. We got NBA Finals. Um, 711 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to revisit Trevor Bauer. That's 712 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: one topic I don't want to go back to. Oh 713 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: my gosh, I we had to do it for we 714 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: We're fearless, so we had to do it. If an 715 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: NBA expert coming up final hour, he's LeVar Arrington, I'm 716 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: Jason McIntyre. Keep it locked. Fox Sports Radio has the 717 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of 718 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: our shows at Foxsports Radio dot com and within the 719 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,319 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app search FSR to listen live.