1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: look at things. Dr Doherty and John Harris have their 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning. 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: Here's Drew, John Harris. 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: It's good to see you. How are you and well man? 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 3: How you doing? 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: I'm great? 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 4: Hey, Thank you John for doing this, and thank you 9 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 4: for watching this on YouTube or the Houston Texans dot 10 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 4: com video channel or listening on Spotify, iTunes, Houston Texans 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 4: dot Com. 12 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: All this, we appreciate it. And if you're checking us 13 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: out on. 14 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 4: YouTube, please subscribe because you'll get this more often and 15 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 4: you'll know about it more often. And if you're listening 16 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 4: on iTunes, please follow, and that would make a big, 17 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 4: big impact on us. 18 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 2: We appreciate that. John, OTAs were fun yesterday. 19 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 4: I know you had some thoughts and I was out 20 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 4: there on the side. I saw the fun little handshake 21 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 4: that kind of was fun as far as the slaps 22 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 4: and studded it with CJ. 23 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: Stroud. 24 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 4: But if you thinks stood out to me, Tank Dell 25 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 4: was out there catching passes. There was I think probably 26 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 4: a belief by some that he might not be here 27 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 4: till training camp, right and all that stuff, even though 28 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 4: the idea was that he was fine, and he clearly 29 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 4: was fine. He was taking part, he was doing stuff. 30 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 4: He was out there, the rookies were mixing it up 31 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 4: and number seven CJ. Stroud doing what he does and 32 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 4: it was just a good spirited afternoon, early afternoon of work, 33 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 4: and my goodness, were one step closer to the ball 34 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 4: and one step closer to real, real football job. 35 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 5: One of the things that I noticed at rookie mining camp, 36 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 5: and I don't know if we talked about rookie mean camp, 37 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 5: and it wasn't much of a camp. It was just 38 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 5: an indoctrination for the rookies. This is how he practiced 39 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 5: the different periods. Because they I think they had one 40 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 5: offensive lineman, they had two players in the secondary. They 41 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 5: may have had three defensive linemen. I don't I don't 42 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 5: even know. They could outfit a lower guys quarterback who 43 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 5: wasn't going to be a run quarterback that was just 44 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 5: there on a tryout basis. 45 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 3: So I took out of that as I looked. 46 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 5: Around and I went, wait a second, wow, look at 47 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 5: these coach, look at his coaching staff. There's a lot 48 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 5: of joy because they were out there altogether. But they all, 49 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 5: I say all knew each other. It's not one hundred 50 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 5: percent the same as it was last year. And there's 51 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 5: some coaches that have moved on, but in their place, 52 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 5: there are very few coaches that came from outside the building. 53 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 5: You know, Rod Wright went from the assistant D line 54 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 5: coach to the D line coach. Delon knew him and 55 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 5: he knew a lot in the D line already. You know, 56 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 5: Billy Davis comes over to coach linebackers. He's new, but 57 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 5: you know Vassil still coaching corners. Corey Engwin's back in 58 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 5: the secondary. You've got Steve Annagoke is also with the secondary. 59 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 3: He stayed. 60 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 5: Rod's with the defensive line obviously, Demiko and Matt Burke 61 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 5: offensively to Rod and Bobby staying. 62 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 3: You know, Bill Laser stayed. 63 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 5: A lot of continuity, and I could tell the way 64 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 5: thattices were flowing and the way it was going that 65 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 5: you could just tell that continuity mattered. It was really cool, 66 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 5: and so I saw that again, not only with the 67 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 5: coaching staff in particular, but with the players too. There's 68 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 5: continuity there. These guys have been together. They know the 69 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 5: drills that they're supposed to be doing. They know how 70 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 5: they're supposed to look, they know what they're supposed to do. 71 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 5: It's not a you know, a monkey in a football 72 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 5: if you know what I mean. And they're going about 73 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 5: doing things the way that I know that De Miko 74 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 5: wants them to be able to do. 75 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 3: But there's just. 76 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 5: This smoothness to practice because there's a there's continuity there. 77 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 3: That was one of the things that stood out to 78 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: me again yesterday. 79 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 5: That continuity breeds that that confidence and that success and 80 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 5: hopefully that continues. But yeah, I was good to see 81 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 5: the guys on the grass. There are a lot of 82 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 5: things that we kind of took. Yeah, they'd shorts and 83 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 5: T shirts, but the number of things that took out 84 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 5: of there, what was kind of your biggest takeaway? I mean, 85 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 5: you mentioned tang, but what's kind of your biggest takeaway 86 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 5: out of what you saw at Otia. 87 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: Is Drew echoing a little bit of what you said. 88 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 4: Uh, the continuity and sometimes continuity can be not a 89 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 4: bad thing, but a stale thing. 90 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not the case exactly exactly what. 91 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 4: You've got such a high quality of things going here 92 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 4: and technically you are still and the Texans would never 93 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 4: say this, ever, but you are technically still in a rebuild, 94 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 4: despite being good last year, despite you know, doing what 95 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 4: you did, You're still trying to buttress this roster with 96 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 4: more talent and depth and whatnot. And you're still in 97 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 4: the think in the middle of that process, and they're 98 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 4: never gonna be satisfied with it, right. But seeing that 99 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 4: continuity and that ease with which things flowed was really 100 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 4: really cool, And I was gonna, you know, just stump 101 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 4: you with a few like randomly, these are random little things. 102 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 4: Xavier Hutchinson looks a lot bigger and I'm like yoked 103 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 4: up in a good sort of way. 104 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a rookie last year. 105 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 4: He had been getting ready for the draft, getting ready 106 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 4: for the Combine, Pro Day and stuff like that. He 107 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 4: was not getting the football reps and the readiness for 108 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 4: playing on an NFL field on Sundays. Well he was 109 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 4: this spring and this winter, and it shows he looks 110 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 4: a little different than he did some of the other 111 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 4: guys you know who looked more yoked up to you 112 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 4: or more changed body wise to you this year versus last. 113 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 5: Well, I think there is an obvious candidate for that award, 114 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 5: and it's on the offensive line. It's Kenyan Green. Yeah, 115 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 5: and seeing Kenya it's weird. He's wearing seventy six. He's 116 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 5: wearing long white sleeves. He had the black wrist protectors. 117 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 5: I don't know but like almost like a wristband, but 118 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 5: they kind of help the wrist. That was Dwayne Brown's outfit. Yeah, 119 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 5: that was exactly what Dwayne Brown looked like. And I went, 120 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 5: what did double take? I was like what? 121 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 3: And it just shows that he's he's starting to transform 122 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 3: his body. 123 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 5: This is something that we talked about when we talked 124 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 5: about this, and that was probably in the Lab episode 125 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 5: back in training camp. Oh my god, Kenny Green former 126 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 5: first round of what's going on? And I said right there, 127 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 5: I said, look, he's got to fix what's wrong. Now, 128 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 5: broken this spring that torn this He's got to get 129 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 5: that fixed and rehabbed so that when you get to January, 130 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 5: you can build your body the way that it needs 131 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 5: to be. And that's really exactly what has gone on. 132 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 5: They had to stop the train, let him get off. Look, 133 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 5: the train's gonna keep going. They'll stop again and you 134 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 5: can get back on. But he got off so he 135 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 5: could go rehab everything and then put his body back 136 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 5: together and you look at him and go, Okay, that's 137 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 5: what an NFL body looks like. 138 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 3: And now you start getting your confidence back. 139 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:50,239 Speaker 2: Now. 140 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 5: I said this when I was on with my friends 141 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 5: down at College Station on Tech SAgs on Wednesday. 142 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 2: I said, doesn't mean he can go out there play. 143 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 5: Just because the guy got all chiseled up, doesn't mean 144 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 5: he's gonna go out there and be an all pro. 145 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 2: But it's encouraging because it's him. 146 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 5: It is encouraging and the fact that that's what we've 147 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 5: you know, been asking for because we know he could play. 148 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: If you've watched him, you know he could play. 149 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 5: And even if you watched him with the Texans early 150 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 5: as a rookie, he had success, but he got hurt 151 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 5: against the Raiders, and when he tried to play through it, 152 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 5: that's whence the issue started. He can play, that's the 153 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 5: matter of Gonnat confidence back to show everybody he can play. 154 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's important to remember he's still in the 155 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 4: embryonic stage of his career. Man, he's entering year two. 156 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 4: I know it's legitimately year three, but he didn't play 157 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 4: last year and like you said, he's been injured. Here 158 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 4: he was injured from Raiders game October November of rookie 159 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 4: season through August of last year when it finally you know, 160 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 4: he when he when he got injured and got you know, 161 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 4: put on ir for pretty much for the entire year. 162 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 4: So you're entering year two. At best, he comes out 163 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 4: and starts. At worst, he gives you quality, high quality 164 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 4: of depth and competition right at a spot that really 165 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 4: now has a whole heck of a lot of competition. 166 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 4: Because we saw him play there in the preseason, we 167 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 4: saw Juice Scruggs play there. 168 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: In the regular season. We saw. 169 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 4: By my blanking, okay, Jared Patterson was the center. But 170 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 4: he's somebody who can play guard, and we saw a 171 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 4: lot of different bodies there during that time, during that 172 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 4: during the last year and a half. He's somebody that 173 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 4: at the worst case scenario, is going to really boost 174 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 4: boost that level of competition to a higher level job. 175 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 176 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 5: And you know, I don't want to say, oh, he's 177 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 5: absolutely gonna start or anything like that. You don't know, 178 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 5: because obviously, look, he get his body right, and he 179 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 5: can sprain an ankle, and you know, those things happen, 180 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 5: and you hate for somebody to be injury prone, and 181 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 5: I should say injury prone just you know, it's some 182 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 5: bad luck. But I think I think Kenyon getting always 183 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 5: back to his day's a and M. I think he 184 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 5: had some things that just he tried to play through 185 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 5: and when they just. 186 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 2: Got admirable, yes, really admirable thing. 187 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 5: Absolutely, it is totally and I think it was the 188 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 5: coaching staff and Nick Assario and the scouting staff. Everybody 189 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 5: organization has said, WHOA, stop the music, listen, we just 190 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 5: have to fix this. And you mentioned it. He's a 191 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 5: young guy, very young. I think he was twen he 192 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 5: won when he got here. So look, you just don't know. 193 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I was asked on textagad and 194 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 5: was reminding anything. And it's funny because because David Dunio 195 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 5: brought up Dwayne Brown and I said, yeah, I said yes, 196 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 5: and no, I said, Dwayne did struggle the first few years. 197 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 3: It was not due to injuries. It was just Wayne 198 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 3: was a project. 199 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 5: He had to face all those things that he faced 200 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 5: and get past them to show that he really could 201 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 5: evolve into a Pro Bowl tackle, which he eventually did. 202 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 5: And he gets a lot of credit for that and 203 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 5: should get a lot of credit for that. 204 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: Kenyans is more. It's the injury, so to me, it 205 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 2: reminded me more of Clowney. 206 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 3: Towney. 207 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 5: You can take some time some of those things, but 208 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 5: the first two years it was micro fracturing fourteen. Then 209 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 5: he came back from that, but he wasn't quite where 210 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 5: he needed to be or wanted to be in twenty fifteen. 211 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 5: I remember he was in a locker room after the 212 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 5: playoff game in twenty fifteen he said, I'm going to 213 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 5: wreck the league in twenty sixteen. 214 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 3: Everybody was like, oh, what is this? Did come on really? 215 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: And I was like, Okay, that's a good sign. 216 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: Let's see if happens. And then he did. 217 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 5: He had games in twenty sixteen where he just took 218 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 5: over the game and needed to because there was no 219 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 5: jj Watt. It was Whitney, and it was Whitney merciless, 220 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 5: and it was Deevian Clowney and he did. 221 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 3: There were teams that were scared of Clowney. 222 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 5: Now he was not always the sack guy, but because 223 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 5: of where Clownie played all over the place. I remember 224 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 5: that playoff game against the Patriots. He was incredible. So 225 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 5: it took a couple of years to get back to 226 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 5: past those injuries. And I don't know that jd ever 227 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 5: got where everybody thought he was because of some of 228 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 5: those injuries. But he got back to a point where 229 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 5: he could be a Pro Bowl defensive end and a 230 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 5: Pro Bowl edge player still in the league, and he's 231 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 5: still plucked in a big check somewhere too. 232 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 4: And there are people that when he had the microph sure, 233 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 4: they're like, it's got three four years, that's right, that 234 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 4: is it? No chance, no chance whatever. He's proved those 235 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 4: people wrong. Yeah, I mean, it's you're eleven for him 236 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 4: in the league. 237 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 2: It's remarkable. It really is remark Yeah. 238 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 4: Bearing off onto another course, Okay, so that was the 239 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 4: body transformation. 240 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: Who was a player who really kind of made you 241 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: go like, h well, I didn't know what what Hey, some. 242 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 4: Of one of those not under the radar guys. I 243 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 4: just bumped something there. Not one of those under the 244 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 4: radar guys, but somebody who has been here, one of 245 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 4: the hey don't forget about me guys. You and you 246 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 4: and Mark Vandermier do this all the time. Did you 247 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 4: have any hey don't forget about me guys that kind 248 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 4: of bumped to the four yesterday that you saw it's 249 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 4: so hard because it's one practice. 250 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, you know, John Metchie, you know you 251 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 5: brought it back. John Metchie just looked more fluid and everything. 252 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 5: I'll say this and then I'll give you the guy. 253 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 5: The guy actually was a rookie, so kind of twisting 254 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 5: yours into a little bit into the thought that this 255 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 5: guy didn't look like a rookie. He looked like he 256 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 5: fit in. If you took the names numbers off the jerseys, 257 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 5: you would go, Okay, yeah, that guy's you're starting tight end, 258 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 5: or you know, he's your starting cornerback or whatever the 259 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 5: case might be. But Metchi looked like a different He 260 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 5: looked a different dude. But Kate Stower made a couple 261 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 5: of plays where you go, Okay, that dude looks like 262 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 5: he fits. Yeah, he definitely looks like he fits, there's 263 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 5: no question. 264 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,479 Speaker 4: Which is still remarkable considering he's he was like a defensive. 265 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 5: End, and even more so the fact that he played 266 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 5: I don't know how long in the season, probably half 267 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 5: the season with mcl situation. I say situation because I 268 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 5: don't know if his torents brained whatever. He has slapped 269 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 5: the brace on and kept playing. But he made some 270 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 5: really nice catches. Quarterbacks were looking him up. He did 271 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 5: not the balls around him. He snatched it and then 272 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 5: he turned up field and was like, Okay, this is 273 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 5: gonna be a problem for people. So it was good 274 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 5: to see him out there doing that because you weren't 275 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 5: totally full strength at tight end and seeing him do it, 276 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 5: you're like, he fits in. He doesn't look like a rookie. 277 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 5: He looks like he's been here a while. And that 278 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 5: was one of the first ones that kind of stood 279 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 5: out to me in that particularly Round'm like, whoa, I'll 280 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 5: give you. 281 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: One other ones receiver. 282 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 5: He made a catch on a sideline and I'm just 283 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 5: looking at him thinking, you know, he got injured last year, 284 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 5: but that dude is six ' three. He's like two ten. 285 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 5: Jared Wayne from out a pit who was on the 286 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 5: practice squad last year. Come backed up off, big body, long, 287 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 5: good hands, can run a little bit. 288 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 3: He's definitely a guy you don't want to forget about. 289 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 5: But it's tough in that wide receiver position because how 290 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 5: do you aroup, how do you kind of work your 291 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 5: way through And obviously Stefon Diggs was not there yesterday, 292 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 5: so when he's there, God and then when tank is 293 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 5: back to one hundred percent full speed and one hundred 294 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 5: percent every single play, how do you divvy up all 295 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 5: the reps there? 296 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 3: I don't know how. I don't know how you do 297 00:13:58,400 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 3: all of that, but I know. 298 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 5: This eighty seven, Kate Stover, he stood out for sure, 299 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 5: absolutely stood out for sure, so as. 300 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: Not a rookie another weapon to add to the offense. 301 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 4: Okay, so how about for you, Well, I want to 302 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 4: backtrack actually and the Kenyan Green conversation we're having on 303 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 4: the sideline yesterday, I spent a good chunk of time, 304 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 4: probably about ten to fifteen minutes just chit chatting with 305 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 4: John McClain of the Eastern Chronicle, and we kind of 306 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 4: meandered around, and I knew you would appreciate this. He 307 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 4: wasn't comparing anyone, but hearing that conversation and hearing what 308 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 4: you just said about Kenyan Green made me think of 309 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 4: what he was saying. But he was talking about Haywood 310 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 4: Jeffries wide receiver taking out of NC State back in 311 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 4: eighty seven in the first round. The GM who took 312 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 4: him was saying his name wrong the day that they 313 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 4: took him, and he was saying the name of a 314 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 4: guy who had played in the ANFL. And then Jeffries 315 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 4: didn't really do too much as a rookie, didn't do 316 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 4: too much or he was injured or both one or 317 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 4: the other in eighty eight eight in his second year, 318 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 4: and so everyone was calling him a bust. And then 319 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 4: the guy unleashed in eighty nine and was a Pro 320 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 4: Bowl caliber receiver for the next you know, six seven years. 321 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 4: He was a fantastic oiler, a great, great player. Who's 322 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 4: to say that sapples and oranges. It's different positions, different times, 323 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 4: different teams. Who's to say that Kenyon Green can't be 324 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 4: like a hey with Jefferson? Who's to say that in 325 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 4: year three is a wide receiver with the Houston Texans, 326 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 4: John Metchi can't have a big breakout year. It's just important. 327 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 4: And McClain's point was, I never call anyone a bust 328 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 4: after a rookie season. No, you can't us after a 329 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 4: second season because I always go back to being right, 330 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 4: being a dummy and saying that about it with Jefferies 331 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 4: and the guy, you know, the guy, the guy was 332 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 4: I'm paraphrasing, but hey, it just took a little bit 333 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 4: of time with him. Jeff and when there's countless stories 334 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 4: throughout sports history, throughout human history, Harry Truman as a president, 335 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 4: he was the only the tough thing. 336 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 3: The tough thing was that last year. 337 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: And yes, I just compared to Kenyon Green circuitously that 338 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: Harry Truman. That was very well done. 339 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 5: The thing is and what makes it tough is and 340 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 5: you almost have to look at last year's rookie class 341 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,359 Speaker 5: as an outlier because those guys came in and adapted 342 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 5: so quickly and we're at a different level. Two of 343 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 5: them win Rookie of the Year and the other one 344 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 5: would have made the NFL Rookie team if he had 345 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 5: stayed healthy. Like, you just don't have that. That was abnormal. 346 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 5: You don't have that. And teams that are looking for 347 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 5: their quarterback to be CJ. Stroud like, yeah, I mean, 348 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 5: good luck. These guys are talented, but man, things really 349 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 5: came together for CJ on a lot of different levels. 350 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 5: But to expect that out of a rookie class, I 351 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 5: mean it's we've seen rookies have success. 352 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 3: I mean even JJ. 353 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 5: You think back to JJ's rookie year, how did you 354 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 5: how'd you feel about JJ? After the twenty eleven season, 355 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 5: you felt like, Okay, there's something there. But did you 356 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 5: see twenty sacks coming in NFL Defensive Player of the 357 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 5: Year in twenty twelve. 358 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: I don't even know. 359 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 5: If I don't, I don't know if you, if people 360 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 5: are being honest, would have said that. I think we 361 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 5: all thought this guy's a really good player. He's gonna 362 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 5: be a really good player. 363 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: Think of it this way. Think of it this way. 364 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 4: November thirtieth of twenty eleven, if you say, hey, JJ Watts, 365 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 4: season's over right now, how would you grade it out? 366 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 4: You'd probably say he's a fine player. You know, he's 367 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 4: clearly he's got something he can play. That's what you 368 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 4: would say. Yeah, well, and you see what he did 369 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 4: in December, and wow, he's he's really going to be 370 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 4: somebody that we can count on and he could be 371 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 4: a pro bowler down the line. And we get into January, 372 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 4: and those two playoff games that he played in January were. 373 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 2: The stuff a legend. 374 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 4: Not just the pick six game, but the next week 375 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 4: he said the best game he ever played. And this 376 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 4: was in like twenty eighteen, when I did something with 377 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 4: him in an interview. He said that game, the loss 378 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 4: at the Ravens is the best game he ever was 379 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 4: a part of, and that's one of his best aw form. 380 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 381 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 4: So yeah, coming off the very the totality of twenty 382 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 4: eleven and the playoffs, Oh man, he's he's going to 383 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 4: be pretty good. But you could never ever, like you're saying, yeah, 384 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 4: predict how he was going to be a comet. Yeah, 385 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 4: you know in twelve Yeah, and go to fifty colotely 386 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 4: holy cow level. 387 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it. 388 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 3: You know it's tough. 389 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 5: So the point with that, and to McLean's point is 390 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 5: give give some guys time and look over time. It's 391 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 5: and I've heard a lot about you know, Jalen Peatree too. 392 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 3: You know Jalen. 393 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 5: It goes the other way too. You know, Jalen had 394 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 5: a very very productive first year. He relied upon it, 395 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 5: do a lot of different things and came back in 396 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 5: year two asked or put in a different kind of 397 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 5: safety role, safety position that he really didn't play at Baylor. 398 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 5: At Baylor, he was kind of more of a pseudo 399 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 5: linebacker strong safety type and now he's being asked to 400 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 5: do something different. So it took him a while to 401 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 5: app to a point where he gets out of that 402 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 5: Browns game where it didn't go well for him, and 403 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 5: then he finished up pretty strong. And look, there are 404 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 5: a couple of plays in that Ravens game that are 405 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 5: oh so close in Jalen's hands that could have changed 406 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 5: the game. And I guarantee you, knowing Jaylen Petrie, those 407 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 5: are the kind of things that he thought about all offseason. 408 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 3: Got to make those plays. 409 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 5: And speaking of bodies, I looked I thought he actually 410 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 5: had slimmed down a little bit because he seemed to 411 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 5: be moving very very well, yeah, very very well, but 412 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 5: he just seemed a little bit a little slimmer. Which look, 413 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 5: in this defense, you gotta move, you got to go. 414 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 5: So it was kind of interesting to see him. But 415 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 5: you know, that's another guy. Because yere one was so good, 416 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 5: he raised the expectation level and then year two not 417 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 5: so good. Look, you don't give up on a guy, 418 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 5: You don't give up on a guy like that at all. 419 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 5: You let that thing play out, and you let him 420 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 5: play it out. And I got a feeling Jayleen Pecher 421 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 5: is gonna have a pretty solid year this year. 422 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 4: I am lockstep with you on that, and I think 423 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,479 Speaker 4: he's gonna be just fine, and he's going to be 424 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 4: a very big part of this defense and part of 425 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 4: this team. 426 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 2: Clearly mean he's a he's important. John, you're important as well, 427 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 2: and I appreciate you. 428 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 3: You're hugely important, Drew. 429 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 4: I appreciate you as entertaining my Harry Truman. Hey, with 430 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 4: Jeffriedy's ideas. That's what you get here on in the lab. 431 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 4: We'll get kind of kind of weird and go out 432 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 4: there and that's part of the fun of this. And 433 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 4: we appreciate you checking us out. Dave Howard, shout you 434 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 4: out again for being a long time, full time And 435 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 4: we'll do this again next week. 436 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 2: It's gonna be a fun one. 437 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 4: The kids will be out from school what but we'll 438 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 4: be talking about the second week of OTAs what we'll 439 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 4: do with you. 440 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 2: Thanks John,