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Speaker 1: We're doing the show early today. Breaking news right off

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Speaker 1: the top as Ken Rosenthal gives us more here three years,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty six million dollars for what everyone expected.

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Speaker 1: Bobaschett signing with the Mets to play third base, no deferrals,

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Speaker 1: opt outs after years one and two. Also, the deal

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Speaker 1: includes a five million dollar opt out bonus that means

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Speaker 1: in one season bobashett can make forty seven million dollars

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Speaker 1: to play a position that he's never played before for

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Speaker 1: the Mets, the ultimate pivot after they lose out on

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Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker, and Ken pointed out, maybe they trade Brett

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Speaker 1: Baty or there's been some things about him potentially being

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Speaker 1: a super utility or maybe playing more first base as

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Speaker 1: they signed Polanco. But he's going to do a lot

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Speaker 1: of dh anyway. Scotty Brown Aircrafts Trevor May. We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk to Ken a little bit later among others,

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Speaker 1: but let's dive right in. Trevor. Your former team, the Mets,

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Speaker 1: does not like to wait long when they lose. That's

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Speaker 1: Steve Cohen, richest owner in sports going. I will place

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Speaker 1: my money here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, we saw it happen a little

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Speaker 2: bit with the Red Sauce the other day with Rangers

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Speaker 2: for us too, like they have someone's waiting in the

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Speaker 2: wings usually and it gives them an opportunity to either

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Speaker 2: up the deal if they need to, or or just

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Speaker 2: like pull the trigger the next day. So we've seen

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Speaker 2: it happen a couple of times very recently. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: it's It surprised me a little bit. I thought I

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Speaker 2: thought the Phillies were, you know, the best fit. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: that was my I was. I put all my chips

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Speaker 2: in on that one. But you know what we are wrong.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've been doing this for few years now,

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Speaker 3: wrong pretty much every whole time.

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Speaker 2: So big deal. It's another one of those kind of

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Speaker 2: like bridge deals. We're seeing them a lot more. It's

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Speaker 2: very interesting with the opt outs after each year really

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Speaker 2: high AAV's but shorter time periods. It's gonna be interesting

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Speaker 2: to see. We've seen him play second for the first

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Speaker 2: time in the World Series and that seemed to work out,

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Speaker 2: but now third base seems like now something he's got

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Speaker 2: to he's got to learn as well. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if it translates as well over there, but you know,

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Speaker 2: the Mets want their guy. They mostly get their guy.

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Speaker 4: That sounded like a vote of confidence. I would see

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Speaker 4: what giraffeck Mark has to say about that mostly got

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Speaker 4: their guy, They got rid of a couple other guys.

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Speaker 4: Is this a needle mover? Absolutely? Does this fit in

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Speaker 4: the parameters of what the Mets want to do, what

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Speaker 4: I think David Stearns wants to do with Uncle Stevie's money,

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Speaker 4: going hey, hey, spend this money, like, let's go get somebody.

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Speaker 4: They went and got the best guy available for what

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Speaker 4: their need is. Does this preclude them? Does this not

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Speaker 4: allow them to go get Cody Bellinger? Totally other topic,

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Speaker 4: but we'll see Bo playing third base? To me, is

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Speaker 4: that value is his first step quickness where they're gonna

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Speaker 4: unlock some value? Is this just a best player available

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Speaker 4: will find a spot? Is this also a Is this

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Speaker 4: a prequel to what they're going to be doing with

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Speaker 4: a Brett Baty? You know you always want to We

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Speaker 4: always talk about, hey, we're going to keep all.

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Speaker 5: This talent around.

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Speaker 4: The reason they lost last year, the reason they had

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Speaker 4: the season they did, they didn't make the playoffs was

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Speaker 4: not because of third base, was not because of Pete Alonzo.

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Speaker 4: At first base because it couldn't pitch. Does this move

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Speaker 4: enable them to find that pitcher that will put them

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Speaker 4: over to put them in the playoffs and then see

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Speaker 4: what happens from there. But to me, Boba schet on

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Speaker 4: this contract for forty seven million dollars coming off a

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Speaker 4: very good platform year. The fact that he's getting two

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Speaker 4: more million dollars than what Alex Bregman got last year,

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Speaker 4: and Alex Bregman almost has twice the career war in

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Speaker 4: his career is interesting, And to me, it's a pivot

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Speaker 4: that not getting Tucker shows that the Mets a little desperate.

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Speaker 4: I mean, maybe that's a bad word to say, but

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Speaker 4: a little desperate.

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Speaker 1: Desperate's okay, desperate. It's usually good for fan bases. They

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Speaker 1: want desperate. And it's funny how the Mets were like

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Speaker 1: run prevention defense, bo out of position at third Jorge

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Speaker 1: Polanco out of position potentially at first base. But let's

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Speaker 1: get the inside scoop right now. Wow, it's the Winter

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Speaker 1: meetings this week. Who knew Ken Rosenthalft senior insider with

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Speaker 1: us right now? Your reaction to Bobaschett landing with the

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Speaker 1: Mets and the fit.

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Speaker 6: I was a little bit of surprised, for sure. I

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Speaker 6: think we all were, but I understand what the Mets

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Speaker 6: are doing, and certainly we saw the Red Sox pivot

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Speaker 6: after they lost Bregmann, they signed Ranger Suarez. The Mets

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Speaker 6: pivoting here. Bashett was not someone that those of us

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Speaker 6: viable thing for them. Obviously third base, and they can

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Speaker 6: bounce Beaty around, perhaps first base, maybe in the outfield

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Speaker 6: as well. It is an interesting direction for a team

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Speaker 6: that's been talking about defense all season long. They'll have

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Speaker 6: Bashett out of position at third base, he hasn't played

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Speaker 6: that position before. Jorge Polanco at first base, he hasn't

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Speaker 6: played that position before. They were talking about Kyle Tucker

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Speaker 6: who has been declining in right field, and yet this

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Speaker 6: is something that should really benefit them offensively. Boba Schett is,

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Speaker 6: if anything, an underrated hitter. It's one of the great

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Speaker 6: hitters in the game. Hits all kinds of pitching. And

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Speaker 6: he's a guy too that, along with Polanco, will help

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Speaker 6: restore that offense. And Marcus Simmons part of this mix too.

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Speaker 6: The offense that they've lost with Alonso and Nimo and

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Speaker 6: of course Jeff McNeil as well.

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Speaker 4: Ken I just said, maybe it's a desperate move by

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Speaker 4: the Mets. Would you use the word desperate or would

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Speaker 4: you say, you know what, it's just the next one

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Speaker 4: that we had and we had to make the move.

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Speaker 6: From what I understand, Eric actually more of the latter

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Speaker 6: that it wasn't necessarily desperate. They were desperate to.

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Speaker 3: Get a hitter.

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Speaker 6: Yes, but when they didn't get Tucker, they had been

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Speaker 6: in contact with Brishette. It's not like they just called

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Speaker 6: him up and said let's go. This had been going on,

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Speaker 6: and in that sense, they just reacted to the market.

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Speaker 6: What has been stunning has been the turn of events

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Speaker 6: the last I don't know, eighteen hours or so. I

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Speaker 6: don't know that people necessarily expected Tucker to go to

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Speaker 6: Burshette to go to the Mets. I was on record,

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Speaker 6: well at least on this show, saying I thought the

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Speaker 6: Phillies were favored for Burshette. They were, and then boom

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Speaker 6: free agency struck. And this is what happens in the

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Speaker 6: open market. We often talk among ourselves at the athletic. Okay,

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Speaker 6: who's in the market for this guy? Who's gonna get him?

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Speaker 6: And to some degree it's folly because things change so quickly.

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Speaker 6: Teams come out of nowhere, and this has been kind

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Speaker 4: You and a couple other insiders said the same thing

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Speaker 4: that Bo was, it looks like Bo's going to go

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Speaker 4: to the Phillies. Was this a great ploy to get

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Speaker 4: the Mets to pay extra for Bobaschett?

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Speaker 6: By the the Phillies wanted Bobaschett and that was serious.

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Speaker 6: Bob Nightingales reported that they were at seven years, two

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Speaker 6: hundred million. That sounds like the proper range from the

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Speaker 6: Phillies for Bobachhet what they would want to do, they'd

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Speaker 6: want the lower AAV But at the same time, it

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Speaker 6: just didn't happen for them. And they're an interesting team

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Speaker 6: too right now because this was guy that they focused on.

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Speaker 6: They really wanted him, they met with him, they were

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Speaker 6: and yet they didn't get him. So do they now

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Speaker 6: keep Alec Bohe? Do they go out and resign?

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Speaker 6: O Rumuto. All these things are in play for them.

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Speaker 6: They are in play and weren't play the entire offseason.

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Speaker 6: The question now is do they try to do something

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Speaker 6: else and maybe just pivot from those guys entirely.

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Speaker 3: It's unclear. Ken. Touching back on the Mets.

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Speaker 2: You know, Eka mentioned it at the top of the

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Speaker 2: hour that the hitting wasn't necessarily the issue last year

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Speaker 2: for them. It was the pitching, and they haven't done

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Speaker 2: much in that side of things. So moving forward, we

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Speaker 2: know fran Raven Valdeza stall out there available. Do you

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Speaker 2: see the Mets going having spent their money and possibly

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Speaker 2: just kind of leaning on this young.

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Speaker 3: Crop of.

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Speaker 2: Highly touted prospects, or is there still room to grab

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Speaker 6: Trevor, to me, there's no question they have to add pitching.

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Speaker 6: As you mentioned, it was the entire reason, for the

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Speaker 6: most part that they collapsed last season. They had some

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Speaker 6: other issues, They did have some clubhouse dynamics that were off.

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Speaker 6: The offense at times was not there, but really this

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Speaker 6: know they have to do more, and I would expect

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Speaker 6: maybe a trade and a free agent.

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Speaker 5: I don't know that.

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Speaker 6: I'm just guessing now, but clearly they are one of

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Speaker 6: the teams in the market for from ber Valdez, who

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Speaker 6: is the top remaining free agent. They are a team

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Speaker 6: that has been in contact with the Milwaukee Brewers about

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Speaker 6: Freddy Peralta. Mackenzie Gore also is available in a trade.

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Speaker 6: I don't know that the Nats would do it within

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Speaker 6: but he's out there, so there are ways they can

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Speaker 6: go for pitching still, but the options are really starting

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Speaker 6: to dwindle. To be perfectly honest, with Suarez going off

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Speaker 4: Who is who's benefiting the least from this type of contact?

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Speaker 4: And we saw tuckers and now we saw today the

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Speaker 4: short term massive AAVs. Because these AAVs, in my opinion

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Speaker 4: as a player, it's pushing the value annual average value

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Speaker 4: long term, but when that number moves up, more money

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Speaker 4: is going in the player's pocket while it's not guaranteed

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Speaker 4: for the length. So who is who's benefiting the most

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Speaker 6: We'd say both parties, both sides both the club and

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Speaker 6: you're not buying the decline phase. And the player because

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Speaker 6: he's getting paid at a level that he might have

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Speaker 6: gotten over a seven or eight year deal, but he's

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Speaker 6: getting it over a shorter amount of time. And in

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Speaker 6: the cases of both Tucker and Bishett, they can opt

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Speaker 6: next two markets in particular are not exactly deep in

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Speaker 6: quality hitters. So there's a benefit both ways here. And

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Speaker 6: we've heard for years Eric teams hate long term deals,

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Speaker 6: they hate buying into the client phase. Well, this is

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Speaker 6: the way to avoid that. You're paying more money because

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Speaker 6: you're not going long term. You're paying almost the equivalent

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Speaker 6: of what you might be paying out long term. But

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Speaker 6: this is a preferred way to go. Look at the

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Speaker 6: Blue Jays, for example, with Tucker. My guess is, and

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Speaker 6: I've heard rumblings to this effect that they were around

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Speaker 6: ten years and three hundred and fifty million below Vladimir

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Speaker 6: if they were high or fined. Just for the sake

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Speaker 6: of discussion, here, three hundred and fifty million is a

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Speaker 6: lot more than two hundred and forty million, But Kyle

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Speaker 6: Tucker will have every bit of opportunity to get another contract,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is interesting that we're seeing this emerge suddenly,

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Speaker 6: Teams are obviously making that decision, these big market teams

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Speaker 2: Ken, I have a theory, and I like to I

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Speaker 3: So do you think that this could be the.

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Speaker 2: Commonality of these these happening more often with the really

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Speaker 3: Does that sound like something that could be happening here.

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Speaker 6: I don't know that that's the case at all.

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Speaker 4: One basic question for you, Ken And is obviously just

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Speaker 6: All Right, it's a complicated question for a couple of reasons. One,

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Speaker 6: interesting case because the Mets offered Kyle Tucker fifty five

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Speaker 6: So to the essence of your question, it seems to

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Speaker 6: The question then becomes, okay, do they do it at

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Speaker 1: What about run prevention, Ken, That's the last one I

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Speaker 6: Yes, and that is certainly a question for the Mets

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Speaker 6: of these questions, Scott are entirely fair, and we will

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Speaker 6: see in twenty twenty six whether David Stern's play here

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like fantasy baseball fun. Hey, let's just

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Speaker 1: that are happening right now virtually.

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Speaker 6: Thanks Scott.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I'm telling you the Winter meetings are now okay

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Speaker 1: and they're virtual. JT Real Muto and the Philadelphia Phillies

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Speaker 1: Don Matt Gelb. We're first breaking the story that they

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Speaker 1: were close, of course, Trevor. This is the chain of reaction.

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Speaker 1: We have Kyle, then we have Steve Cohen staying up

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Speaker 3: That's that works.

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Speaker 2: You know, I love this deal too. JT Is is

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Speaker 2: That's what he deserves to be paid. He's got his

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Speaker 3: So you know, they wouldn't surprise me one bit.

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Speaker 2: Very like Carl Schwarber, like just wants to play this

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Speaker 3: So I like this deal.

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Speaker 2: I like the escalators just in case he does produce

432
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 2: at an even higher level. But if it ain't broke,

433
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 2: don't don't fix it. And that's what it took to

434
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 2: get him, and it seems like a pretty modest deal,

435
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 2: not going to really hurt him too much.

436
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 3: So I love it.

437
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 2: Happy for JT and I have for Phillies fans. I

438
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 2: think that's a that's a piece that you get a

439
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 2: piece of mind knowing that you got a guy who

440
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 2: knows what he's doing back there and knows the crew

441
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 2: that's going to be throwing all to them.

442
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 4: Is everybody scared now? They're just running the same team back.

443
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 4: The Phillies didn't make any changes. They were so terrible,

444
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 4: winning all their games last year in the regular season

445
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 4: and then getting beat by the Dodgers. They're running the

446
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 4: same team back. I'm gonna go ahead and be on

447
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 4: the other side of it.

448
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 5: They're hungry.

449
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 4: I think these guys have been texting and calling each

450
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 4: other the whole offseason, and I would disagree with the

451
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 4: Phillies Show. I think Ruben said it on The Phillies Show,

452
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 4: one of our other shows that you know, well, these

453
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 4: guys are texting Boba Schett. They might be, you know,

454
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 4: it might be undercutting their other buddy, JT.

455
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 5: Real Muto.

456
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 4: I think I think JT may have taken a little

457
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Speaker 4: bit less. If both signed there, then they had a

458
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 4: little extra cash. I think from what I heard it

459
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 4: was two years eighteen a year, which would have put

460
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 4: him at thirty six. Let's stretch it out, give him

461
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 4: nine more million. He wasn't going to get three years

462
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 4: at eighteen a year, so he got three years at

463
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 4: forty five, so it's fifteen a year. It's an eight

464
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 4: million dollar, eight million dollar pay cut that he got

465
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 4: from last year. To me, I think this is right

466
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 4: online with what the Phillies do. They make very very

467
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 4: good offers to guys who are in their system. Guys

468
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 4: who they know, guys who they care about, and they're

469
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 4: very professional with it. Can JT's offense improve, probably marginally.

470
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Speaker 4: Is he going to hit have an eight to fifty ops?

471
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Speaker 6: No?

472
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 5: Does he need to? Absolutely not.

473
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 4: Dave Dombrowski called out Bryce Harper, whether it was on

474
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 4: purpose or not. Bryce Harper now has a T shirt

475
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 4: that says not elite. He's hungry. Trey Turner is hungry.

476
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 4: He won the batting title last year.

477
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 3: JT.

478
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 4: Real Muto knows. He has been in Philly for years

479
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 4: now and there's not a World Series. Kyle Schwarber wanted

480
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 4: to come back. Did he get the best offer from

481
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 4: the Phillies. Yeah, but he wanted to come back because

482
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 4: they are hungry for what they have fallen short of.

483
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 4: And I don't think this is a downgrade at all

484
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 4: to me. I think this is an upgrade because of

485
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 4: the fact that who would the Phillies have pivoted to

486
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 4: at a premier position. Would they have pivoted to Jonaheim

487
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 4: Victor Carrattini, both big league catchers, but not to the

488
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 4: level of JT. The familiarity with the pictures, which most

489
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 4: of the pictures are coming back, and the familiarity with

490
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 4: the fact that he comes up with big hits. He's

491
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 4: not going to be the Star Wars He's not going

492
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 4: to be the aircraft carrier in your lineup, but he's

493
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 4: part of a lineup that works well together. And in

494
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 4: my opinion, this is kind of a It was a

495
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 4: basic signing that has large ramifications.

496
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Speaker 1: He's more valuable to the Phillies than anyone else, and

497
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: he's definitely a valuable player, but it was hard to

498
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: see another team emerge with money like this. I mean,

499
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: we never heard about it, and you know it's funny.

500
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: His agent, who is now out of the agency game

501
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: and works for Buster Posey with the Giants, Jeff Berry,

502
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: I believe, mentioned how last time around it was frustrating

503
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: for him both with JTN with Hater. He was like,

504
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: I never got anything else, even in the same ballpark, right,

505
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: nobody even made a real offer, I know for Hater,

506
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure he said that for JT as well.

507
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: It's not that there was an interest, but teams were like, oh,

508
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: if you're playing in this level, then you should sign

509
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: with Philly. We're not there. So it's not to knock JT.

510
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: It's just that it appeared as if this was the

511
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: spot and this is how his free agency played out

512
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: last time around. So I'll pose this question to you, Trevor,

513
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: because I posed it to Eric all the time. Did

514
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: you feel like the Phillies needed to mix it up

515
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: more than they did this offseason? Are you rkay with

516
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: the way that they even running things out there? It's

517
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: not like they've done nothing right. There's some some tweaks here.

518
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: Matt Strom is out. Who did they replace it with?

519
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 5: Was that Brad Keller?

520
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: Brad Keller is in a Doolie, Garcia is in. Max

521
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: Kepler is out and now busted for Breyds. But Trevor,

522
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: what do you think about the way that the Phillies

523
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: are putting out this year's squad? Obviously Kyle Schorber returns

524
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: been a big disappointment the last couple of postseasons.

525
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: I think there are a little bit I think they're

526
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: a little bit on the de fence here, and I

527
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: think this was a decision that it was talked about

528
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: a lot this obviously, especially after they get right after

529
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: they got eliminated. That is it time to blow it

530
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: up and go a different direction with our core or

531
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 2: should we stick with this or run it back, try

532
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 2: to run it back one more year, because that was

533
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: just one of those didn't execute when we had the opportunity,

534
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: because as Kratzy said, like they had a great regular season,

535
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: Like it's not like they fell off there, it was

536
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: just they didn't get the job done against the team

537
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: that eventually won the World Series that everyone says as

538
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 2: a super team. So like, if we're only going off

539
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: of that series and then we're going to make huge

540
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 2: wholesale changes, you got to be certain that you can

541
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 2: move the pieces in and there's free agents out there

542
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: that you can start building a core, and you have

543
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 2: another crop of young guys coming in, and I think

544
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: the timing's not quite right for that. And then as

545
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: Swerverers kind of I think market developed and they were

546
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: able to grab him.

547
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 3: That's when the decision got locked in. They're like, Okay, let's.

548
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: Try to run this back, and this might be the

549
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: last year because you know, we we only have Zach

550
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 2: Wheeler for so much longer. But we also you know,

551
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: we have Christopher Sanchez who's very quickly become the ace.

552
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: You know, he got him for a while.

553
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: So it's like there it's this weird like liminal space

554
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: between knowing what we are, we know what we have

555
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: and we know that.

556
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 3: It can win a division and that can get us

557
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 3: in a good position to go on a run in

558
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: the playoffs. So maybe we just go for that again

559
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: and see what happens.

560
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: But I think that if this happens again and there's

561
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: an early bounce from the playoff, actually, to be honest,

562
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: if there's no World Series, frankly, even if they win

563
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: the World Series, it probably no matter what. After this year,

564
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: those I think cohostal changes will start to be made

565
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: in a big way. Now we'll see what happens with

566
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: the Stott in the Boems situation, like the back end

567
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: of the of the batting average or the batting order

568
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: and such. But like for them to go back and

569
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: do it again, it's I think it's a conscious decision.

570
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: This isn't lack of like, oh, we couldn't get anybody.

571
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: I think they're okay doing it, and I don't necessarily

572
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: disagree with it either.

573
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 3: I think that it's worth another shot. They were a

574
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 3: very good team.

575
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: They were one of the most complete teams I thought

576
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: all season last year. And though some guys have gone,

577
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: he just wore is gone, and we don't know what

578
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: we're gonna get out of Nola, and those things are

579
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: some more question marks than there were.

580
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: There's still a very deep team.

581
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,719
Speaker 2: They're still a very complete team, and I think they

582
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: filled in some of their holes with some potential comeback

583
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: candidates who could be a big deal. I think adult

584
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: Scarcia could potentially be, like, he could go off. He

585
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: could have one of those years where he's just amazing.

586
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: He could do a ti Oscar type thing. I mean

587
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: he has it in a couple of years, but he could.

588
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: It's possible, and if that completely changes the complexion. So

589
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: I think they put themselves in position with high ceilings

590
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: where a couple of things work out, we're singing a

591
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: different tune.

592
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: And they still have their.

593
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: Core of rock solid veteran guys who all liked being there.

594
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: And I think that was just where that decision came

595
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: from and how it came together.

596
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: Now that we saw it all play out, Kratz and

597
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: you watch many many Phillies games and you know this team,

598
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: do you think they would have been better off if

599
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: they landed bo I mean, there was a chance that

600
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: Steve Cohen didn't pull the all nighter and say okay,

601
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: we'll give you the bag, and then he was going

602
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: to be a Philly probably today seven years two hundred.

603
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: That was one of the reports that he asked for.

604
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: Phillies were like, cool, we're down and they have yeah,

605
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: some long term money coming off the books that they'll

606
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: be able to kind of balance things out better. It

607
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: didn't happen. So do you think Bobaschet to the Phillies

608
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six would have made them better than

609
00:30:51,840 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: Boom and real Muto on that team.

610
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 5: In twenty twenty six? Just twenty six? Okay? Yeah?

611
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 4: No, I mean the way you were, the way you

612
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 4: were wording the question, I thought you were going to say,

613
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 4: moving forward in twenty twenty six, I think the offense is.

614
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 5: Better with with Bo.

615
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 4: With Bo in the lineup, The issue is, I don't

616
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 4: think the team is better without JT. I don't think

617
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 4: you can find me unless you unless they could figure

618
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 4: out how to trade for an Ali Rutchman, which I

619
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 4: get it, he's had down years. I don't see how

620
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 4: you make I don't think bo makes enough of an

621
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 4: upgrade over Boom that it mitigates what JT brings to

622
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 4: this team. I have a tough time, believing that he

623
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 4: picks up enough of the value to losing bomb, which

624
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 4: he has to out hit, which he'll do for sure.

625
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 4: I mean, Bom does a great job of driving runs in,

626
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 4: just like bo does a great job of driving runs in.

627
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 4: But behind the dish is such an important piece. The

628
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 4: part that I thought you were going to lean to

629
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 4: was does it make them better going forward? To me,

630
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 4: I think this JT contract, it's ironic. It's three years.

631
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 4: To me, that's the Phillies window. And maybe I'm a player,

632
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 4: so maybe the windows only two years. I think the

633
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: window is three years. Trey Turner in three years will

634
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 4: be thirty five years old. J T will be done

635
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 4: at the end of his three years. It could go

636
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 4: up with all the extensions and you know everything that

637
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 4: could happen with that contract. Bryce Schwarber will be thirty

638
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 4: seven in three years. Bryce Harper will be thirty six

639
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 4: in three years. It's ironic that this is the last

640
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 4: guy they signed in this and three years.

641
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 5: I think it's set.

642
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 4: This sets the Phillies up better for the future than

643
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 4: adding another seven or eight year contract, however long the

644
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 4: bow contract was going to be and have those guys

645
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 4: aging with an aging bow to me. This sets it

646
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 4: up where it's like, Okay, at the end of this contract,

647
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 4: the next GM, the next president Baseball operations. If it's

648
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 4: not Dave, maybe it's Sam Fole, maybe he comes back in.

649
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 4: Maybe it's Preston Maddingly or somebody from the outside. That's

650
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 4: when they have to realize that this window, it's most

651
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 4: likely shut because of the age of everybody, because Trey

652
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,719
Speaker 4: and Bryce are not going to be able to DH

653
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 4: so they still have to be out there on the

654
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 4: field because Schwarber's still in for two more years after

655
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 4: this three year JT Real Muteau deals done.

656
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: Hey, they might not have the deepest farm system, but

657
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: I do like some of the guys that are coming

658
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: through and that are just about ready to cook. Aiden

659
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: Miller infields, justin Crawford outfield, Andrew Paynter on the mount.

660
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you tell me if I'm missing any others

661
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: that you think are going to be potential impact in

662
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. All three of those guys can be

663
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: impact twenty six for the Phillies.

664
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say two will. I'm gonna say two Will.

665
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 4: I mean, Trevor's the pitcher. But when I watched Andrew

666
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 4: Painter throw. Yes he wasn't he didn't have command last year,

667
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 4: but his athleticism and the fact that he's able to

668
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 4: contain his frame in such a small window. I think

669
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 4: after Tommy John coming back from it, I think he's

670
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 4: going to regain that command because of his athleticism, the

671
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 4: speed that he comes down the mound, and how controlled

672
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 4: he is in such a large frame. And I think

673
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 4: he's I think he's going to be impact, and I

674
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 4: think Justin Crawford is going to be impact. And I

675
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 4: think without signing Bow it gives them a lane to

676
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 4: allow Aiden Miller a little bit more seasoning in the

677
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 4: minor leagues. But also anything happens to stop, anything happens

678
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 4: to Trey, anything happens to boem Bang, Aiden Miller is

679
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 4: ready for that.

680
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: Okay, So now we can link the Idle Tucker deal

681
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: and the Bobashett deal and talk about the entire aftermath

682
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: here all in one shot. So, Trevor, we did a

683
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: live show late last night when Tucker signed. We haven't

684
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: gotten your instant reaction to this one yet. So your

685
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: thoughts on how Kyle Tucker ends up with the Dodgers

686
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: and is making a boatload of money. He said no

687
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: to a longer offer from the Blue Jays with more

688
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: guaranteed money, he said no to it somewhat similar offer,

689
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: but it seems like a little bit more money in

690
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: at present value with the Mets, and he chose to

691
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: be I don't want to say, like sixth fiddle, but

692
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: he's not going to get bothered much by the media

693
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: in LA. There are a lot of other players that'll

694
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: do the talking for him.

695
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: That last part right there was actually a really interesting

696
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: point because as we've seen in the past with Kyle Tucker,

697
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 2: he's a pretty laid back guy that's not a man

698
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: of many words, so that sounds probably pretty great to him.

699
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: You know, the Dodgers have won back to Backworld Series.

700
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: That's going to be enticing to many players. Whether or

701
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: not you like it or not, I understand, but it

702
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: is like so hard to win a World Series. There's

703
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: twenty six guys on every team. The number of players

704
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: that eventually get one is low for baseball, so there's

705
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 2: a little bit of like eye roll, and I understand

706
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: fans shouldn't like.

707
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 3: That at all.

708
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: I get it, but also I don't fall to the

709
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: guy having played myself for seeing an opportunity.

710
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: There as well.

711
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: It is pretty crazy to think that they are replacing

712
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 2: like a MICROCOMFORTO with Kyle Tucker.

713
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: That is a big jump in production, to say the least.

714
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 2: And I just can't act like I was surprised, like

715
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: maybe the fact that he was willing to take a

716
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: four year deal even though the AAV is in the stratosphere.

717
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: You know, a guy that is still in his twenties,

718
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: you know, the way this thing has been put together forever.

719
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: You go into free agency with the assumption that you're

720
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 2: getting one shot, like you can only conceivably guarantee one shot,

721
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 2: And we're seeingly short turn deals with these hyavees where

722
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: guys are taking another shot. They're sending themselves up for

723
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: a second chance, something that wasn't happening before. But I

724
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 2: think that these long term deals have soured a lot.

725
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: They kind of sour every single time this whole baking in,

726
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 2: you know, front end value and then just like paying

727
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: for the front ears at the end, and like nobody

728
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: likes that players included, so of course.

729
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 3: It switches this way.

730
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was it's probably for baseball and for

731
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: the psyche of the collective fan base of every team.

732
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 2: This is probably the worst possible thing that could happen.

733
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: But I will say, you know, he is bringing some

734
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: youth in a team that was one of the oldest

735
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: teams on average, especially in the lineup in the league

736
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 2: last year, and so it was another savvy move from

737
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: from the Dodgers, and they're setting themselves up to make

738
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: another take another run at this thing, and he can

739
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: kind of it's crazy to think this, but there is.

740
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: A level of under the radar day in and day out.

741
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: For him as well, which might be an ideal situation,

742
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 2: especially with maybe some of the scrutiny that comes from

743
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: being either the only team in a country or being

744
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: on the Mets. So it's just perfect storm situation. Not

745
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: ideal for everyone else, but this so happens to be ideal,

746
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: probably for Kyle Tucker.

747
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 4: I think it is ideal for other people. I mean

748
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 4: the other teams. Yes, I get it, it's not ideal

749
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 4: for fans. Actually, I got to switch my I rarely

750
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 4: switch my hat, but we were talking about bo before

751
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 4: and so I gotta now switch my other hat so

752
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 4: I can profess a Dodgers fan, which I've been accused

753
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 4: of being by nobody. But my biggest thing is I

754
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 4: think I think it helps the game. And people were

755
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 4: gonna say, no way, there's no chance. I think it

756
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 4: helps the game because I've never seen in athletics, I'm

757
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 4: talking competitive athletics where somebody who's the best doesn't bring

758
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 4: the best.

759
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 5: Out in everybody else.

760
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 4: So I feel like with the Dodgers are doing is

761
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 4: they're raising the tide of what the expectation is.

762
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 5: You want to.

763
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 3: Beat the Dodgers.

764
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 4: Had they not signed Tucker, they would have wanted to

765
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 4: beat the Dodgers anyway. Had they not signed Tucker, there

766
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 4: would have been still the Padres rivalry. You know, it

767
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 4: just it makes it grow even more. And I guess

768
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 4: the whole like, negative publicity is good publicity. Any publicity

769
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 4: is good publicity. But to me, I think Kyle Tucker

770
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 4: signing there has less to do with the fact that,

771
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 4: you know, he's very he's a recluse, like he doesn't

772
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 4: want to talk to people. There's stars all up and

773
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 4: down this lineup that are going to take some of

774
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 4: that stuff off of his plate.

775
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 5: To me, I think he just wants to win.

776
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 4: And we've talked the last few days about is he

777
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 4: a star or is he a superstar? His numbers would

778
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 4: say he's a star. My opinion is he's a star.

779
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 4: Scott thinks it's a superstar. There's a lot of semantics

780
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 4: in that. How do you make a star a superstar?

781
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 4: You take some pressure off him from the other guys.

782
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 4: To me, I think he joins this team and becomes

783
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 4: a superstar. I think he can have a jump in

784
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 4: his numbers, not only because the Dodgers do a lot

785
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 4: of really good things, but just look at the construction

786
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 4: of the lineup there. I don't know if they could

787
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 4: have Will Smith step up and hit fourth for them

788
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 4: and Kyle Tucker fifth. To me, I think that enhances

789
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 4: this lineup because or Will Smith is going to do

790
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 4: what he did last year and hit like four point

791
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 4: fifty with runners in scoring position first half of the season,

792
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 4: because you just have to figure out how to navigate

793
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 4: this lineup, and the left on left, you know, could

794
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 4: benefit one or the other. It's you know, you're paying Peter,

795
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 4: you're stealing from Peter to pay Paul, and that kind

796
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 4: of mindset. But to me, this lineup with Tucker makes

797
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 4: Tucker better. I'm not saying it doesn't make anybody else better,

798
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 4: But it makes Tucker better. It's another It's another example

799
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 4: of the Dodgers finding surplus value in assigning.

800
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to act like I know everything

801
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: about the NBA these days, But Kevin Durant's name was

802
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: thrown out there. He's won two titles. He's a great,

803
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: great player in the league for a long period of time.

804
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: His two titles were with the Warriors twenty eighteen twenty nineteen.

805
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: He joined a super team. Did Kyle Tucker not just

806
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: do that? Sure, money has to be a factor in

807
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: many other things, But Trevor, my question to you, does

808
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: that change your perception of someone, whether you're a player

809
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: or a fan at all, if you're joining the big

810
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: bad evil empire to try and rack up a ring

811
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: on your own And also from a financial perspective, would

812
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: you rather do the deal that he just signed or

813
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: the ten three point fifty ish that the Blue Jays

814
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: were throwing his way. Once you actually hear that and

815
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: you do the math, you're like, man, I do think

816
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: that he can probably put together more money in his

817
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: career if he just rides it out this way. That's

818
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: the dream for a team like the Dodgers, because they

819
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: don't have to commit long term. And also, let's not

820
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: forget about this part. Kyle Tucker hasn't lived up in Toronto,

821
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: not that he wouldn't fall in love with it, But

822
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: when you sign a double digit year deal with a team,

823
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: like a portion of your prime years of your life

824
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: are going to be there now, right, Like that changes

825
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: things and for some guys they might not want to

826
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: commit like that.

827
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're seeing that more popular become more popular.

828
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: I'll be honest myself personally, I actually said this to

829
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: Francisco Indoor once when I thanked him or thanked him

830
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: when I Will congratulated him on signing his eleven year deal,

831
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, man, that's awesome.

832
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: Eleven years.

833
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: That's a long time man, Like, Like, you know, for me,

834
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: I'd be like, you know, how am I going to

835
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: feel in eleven years and how are things going to be?

836
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: Probably no matter what I do, and no matter how

837
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: hard I try, not physically, and probably not gonna be

838
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: the same guy I am now. So I think that,

839
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: you know, it's a huge commitment both ways, and I

840
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: think that players like an opportunity to to change it

841
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: up and like keep that open a little bit, and

842
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: that's becoming more common, and I don't blame anyone for

843
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 2: doing that so sometimes and it's it's honestly kind of

844
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 2: nice to see that though money probably is the top

845
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: of the pros and cons list when you make your

846
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: list as a free agent, it's not so bold and

847
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: not so big and not so far away from all

848
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: the other ones, which I think is a healthier place

849
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: to be just in general. And so for for guys

850
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 2: to choose to give themselves more options, choose this option

851
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: and also give themselves another crack at make an adjustment

852
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: living somewhere else or maybe you know, if it just

853
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: isn't working out culture wise, vibe wise, because that's one

854
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: thing you'll you won't know until you get there, and

855
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: you have to sign to get there.

856
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 3: So it's like a.

857
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: Huge commitment to marry someone that you have very little,

858
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: you have not been dating for very long, and it's

859
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 2: it is one of those situations. So to be honest,

860
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: the way that the tenure deals work from that standpoint,

861
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 2: don't They are a little bit I logical in a

862
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: lot of different ways. And so this becoming more common,

863
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: and the higher AAV kind of softens the ability to

864
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: push the market. Bigger money, bigger dollar numbers, right, The

865
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: higher AAV kind of closes that gap a little bit too,

866
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: So it solves that problem somewhat to make the other

867
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: things a.

868
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 3: Little bit more palable.

869
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: So not we're seeing it a little bit more and

870
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 2: more and more guys willing to do it, and you know,

871
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: I can't fault them because that would probably where my

872
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: predisposition would be as well. But I always thought of

873
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: myself a little bit as an outlier there. It's kind

874
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: of interesting to see that maybe maybe I wasn't, you know,

875
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: on an island as much as I thought it was.

876
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: Also, we're showing the net present value of the deal.

877
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: There are deferrals for Kyle Tucker's contract if he doesn't

878
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: opt out after the second year of the deal, but

879
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: the net present value doesn't go down that much fifty

880
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: seven million dollars per season. Some people thought it would

881
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: go much lower based on how the Dodgers have done

882
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: deals in the past. This wasn't a show heo Tani

883
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: phone call.

884
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: Guys.

885
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: This wasn't Hey, I'm good, I'm making one hundred a

886
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: year off the field. I want to defer this so

887
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: I don't do the California state taxes. At some point

888
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker's like, give him a damn money right now,

889
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,479
Speaker 1: and the Dodgers had it for him. I mean, they're

890
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: profiting their asses off right now by winning consistently, by

891
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: selling on the marketing side with all the Japanese talent

892
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: that they have, in addition to what they're doing in

893
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: the States with brand deals. They are crushing it.

894
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:40,959
Speaker 3: Right.

895
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: You invest in not just winning, but also I guess

896
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: the right players to market around and look at what's

897
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: happening for them. It's all become a perfect storm. They

898
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: also have drafted and developed very well. But yes, it's

899
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: technically by far the highest average annual value in history.

900
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: This was from last night when we didn't know what

901
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: the deferrals looked like. But for show, hey, his net

902
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: present value contract is around four hundred and fifty million dollars,

903
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: so that brings his rate down pretty significantly. Right, It's

904
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: about forty five million dollars per season, So Kyle Tucker's

905
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: at fifty seven crats. He destroyed that number. He even

906
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: destroyed Juan Soto's number by over six million dollars per season,

907
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: So on a per year basis, he is by far

908
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: the highest paid player in baseball right now. Just something

909
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: to think about. And obviously Bobashett is in the top

910
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: what five now as well with what could be forty

911
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: seven million dollars for one season of ball. So I

912
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: wanted to get your thoughts on that, and then also

913
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: I want to get to the aftermath of teams that

914
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: have missed out, right, I mean, the Mets missed out,

915
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: but then they pivot in five seconds. The Phillies missed out.

916
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: We actually saw the one report that they threw seven years,

917
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: two hundred million dollars at Bobashett. It was his request,

918
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: that seemed to be his dream deal until the Mets

919
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: missed out on Kyle Tucker, and clearly this morning said hey,

920
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: we can get you pretty close to that number in

921
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: a lot less years. Are you interested? Because he's twenty seven,

922
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: So it's like, do you want to hit the free

923
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 1: agent market again at twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty, any

924
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: of those years would you like to do that?

925
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: Instead?

926
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: Come off a platform year when the sport has more

927
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: stability after a collective bargaining agreement gets done and they

928
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: were able to take down the Phillies. Same thing for

929
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: the Blue jays Ken was on the money. Ken said

930
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: all off season long, Boba Schet not likely to be

931
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: back with Toronto. He was correct. But also we look

932
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: at a Toronto team that was going after Kyle Tucker

933
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: and comes up short. Fans go, hey, where are we

934
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: spending that money? So what do you think about the

935
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: money aftermath?

936
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 4: For all of this, the fact that he got the

937
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 4: most because it's such a short term deal, A little

938
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 4: surprised the fact that it's six million dollars more is

939
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 4: such a large number. It's such a staggering number that

940
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 4: I was like a little resident to be. I was

941
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 4: a little like just hesitant to say did we get

942
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 4: the numbers right? Because I pose this question to you, guys,

943
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 4: what does that number look like if you want to

944
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 4: sign Kyle Tucker to a short term deal?

945
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 5: Is it more than Aaron Judge? Is it more than?

946
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 4: And then we heard the fifty million being bantered about,

947
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 4: and I'm like, okay, Like, I guess that's good.

948
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 5: This blew it out of the water.

949
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 4: This is why teams don't like free agency, because this

950
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 4: is an opportunity. They're in a free market. And he

951
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 4: was able to negotiate with two teams that are willing

952
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 4: to go the same realm, the same range, and to

953
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 4: an extent with BO two, they're going to the same

954
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 4: range of Hey, you know what, fifty fifty five, fifty six,

955
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 4: fifty sixty, Okay, it's gonna be fifty seven. Final answer,

956
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 4: this is it great? I wanted to go to the

957
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 4: Dodgers anyway. I didn't want to go to the Mets. Obviously,

958
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 4: deferrals and opt outs and all that stuff sways into it.

959
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 4: But the money in general is a crazy thing to me,

960
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 4: and I would I feel like Ken. The question I

961
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 4: posed to Ken before was who is it better for?

962
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 4: Is it better for Major League Baseball? Or is it

963
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 4: better for the players? And Kyle Tucker moved that needle

964
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 4: a long way.

965
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 5: For the players.

966
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 4: What happens in the next CBA, I don't know what

967
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 4: these guys get back in the in the free agent market. Chapman, Snell, Bregman. Now,

968
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 4: all these guys have done this and been successful. And

969
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 4: now the needle moved even more, even Bobashett to or

970
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 4: Alex Bregman to. Now Bobaschett two million dollars more. That's

971
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 4: two million dollars for the players going forward, going forward,

972
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 4: if you want to do a short term deal and

973
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 4: you have better numbers than Kyle Tucker, who has no MVPs,

974
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 4: whose sprint speed is going is declining, who is not

975
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 4: in you know not he was in the best health

976
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 4: the last two years. Whether you argue that or not,

977
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 4: he could have had an MVP season the year he

978
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 4: was out for over half the year. I get that,

979
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 4: But the number has gone up, and I think that's

980
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 4: only good for the players. So I think this number,

981
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe. He beat out the average annual value

982
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 4: actual today's value of it by six million. That is

983
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 4: a large, large number, two millions, a large number for

984
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 4: Boba Schett to beat out Bragman just from last year.

985
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 4: So the market is moving. And after this next CBA,

986
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 4: a lot of these TV deals are going to be

987
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 4: worked out too, So there's gonna be a little bit

988
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 4: more money secure or money certain ctsh.

989
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 5: In the market.

990
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

991
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: You know what's funny too is the recent call out

992
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: Trevor by Commissioner Manfred for a signing deadline. So it's

993
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: January sixteenth, So on the fifteenth and sixteenth, baseball has

994
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: absolutely stolen the headlines. We have a college football Championship

995
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: coming up on. We're in the thick of the NFL playoffs,

996
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: NBA and NHL is going on, and the most popular

997
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: storylines at the top of the website that you follow,

998
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: whatever it is, right, has Kyle Tucker to the Dodgers.

999
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: Now it's Bobashett to the Mets. So are you sure

1000
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: we're about that? Do you really want to have a

1001
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: signing deadline where then we're gonna do absolutely nothing for

1002
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: two months? I know it gets frustrating, but also we

1003
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: don't get these deals until this time. These deals were

1004
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: not on the table up until around now, and then

1005
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: all of a sudden everything happens. Right, the Mets weren't

1006
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: in on Bobaschett. I mean, sure, did they have conversations,

1007
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: I can mentioned sure, But did we think they were

1008
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: seriously in for Bobashett? No, Steve Cohen just woke up

1009
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: this morning and said, fuck it, let's go.

1010
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 3: He did.

1011
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: I think Rat said on a really interesting point with

1012
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: the revenue certainty, like as that becomes more certain, this

1013
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 2: stuff starts to work itself out a little bit earlier,

1014
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: like it's the uncertainty that is dragging these things out,

1015
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 2: and it feels normal that there's it takes forever for

1016
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: anything to happen in free agency right now, because every

1017
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: year there's some weird extenuating circumstance like there was a lockout,

1018
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 2: or there's COVID, or there's or we're trying to recoup

1019
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 2: money from the last year, or it was the year

1020
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 2: after COVID, like there's been something for like seven straight years.

1021
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: And and once this starts to kind of slow down,

1022
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: now we have the the pending CBA being negotiated again,

1023
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: so at some point it will slow down, and I

1024
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: think that solves itself a little bit as well. Also,

1025
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: I think there's a really interesting trend here because when

1026
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: negotiations happen, basically both parties they agree on a focus,

1027
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: like how what is going to move the need of

1028
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: the most. Sometimes it's even in terms of just within money.

1029
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's length, sometimes it's total. Sometimes it's per year. Right,

1030
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 2: And I'm noticing, and I think that you guys are too,

1031
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: is that that per year is where the focus is

1032
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: hyper focus.

1033
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:57,479
Speaker 3: We're talking about that a lot.

1034
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 2: The AAV is coming up a lot, and that's the

1035
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: number that's getting pushed. All of these things have different

1036
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: thresholds for pushing them forward to expand the market, and

1037
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: we are moving away from total money and years and

1038
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: to the AAV, which leads even with the Scooble thing

1039
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 2: and the conversation around his arbitration case pending, that's also

1040
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 2: about how much he's going to make in one year

1041
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: and trying to push that forward. So the focus on

1042
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 2: both sides, I think the players and the league and

1043
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 2: don't They don't agree on a lot, but I think

1044
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: they both see a lot of value. Like that's worth

1045
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: looking at. It solve some problems if we just focus

1046
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: on the AAV, which then naturally shortens the length of

1047
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 2: the contract. It gives players another opportunity to do It

1048
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 2: gives them flexibility to opt out year after year, make

1049
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: change their mind any year, and teams are not on

1050
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: the hook for as much total money. Like that's kind

1051
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 2: of a win win. It's it's it's weird to think about,

1052
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: but it kind of is. So we're seeing that shift happening,

1053
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 2: and we're also seeing possibly some solidifying and some certainty in.

1054
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 3: The amount of money you have.

1055
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 2: This makes like the teams being able to project, hey r,

1056
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: here's what their salaries number is in a huge range.

1057
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 3: It could be anymore.

1058
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 2: It's it's a little bit easier to predict where there's

1059
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 2: a little bit of certainty there and that at the

1060
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: end of the day is what they want the salary

1061
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 2: cap for anyway. So it's like it's almost as if,

1062
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 2: and this is an optimistic take, it's almost as if

1063
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 2: some of this focus maybe that's a that's a thread

1064
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 2: to pull out for both sides and say, maybe we

1065
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 2: can have something advantageous and focus on the AAV side

1066
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: of things and making sure that is healthy, which will

1067
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 2: which will then incentivize lowering these huge spends over a

1068
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 2: lot of a period of time where they don't know

1069
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 2: if on the back end, if they're not even gonna

1070
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 2: get any production, which is scary, and people with lots

1071
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 2: of money are risk adverse. That makes a lot of sense.

1072
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 2: They're running a business like if that's just built in,

1073
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,439
Speaker 2: then that might be it might solve itself at least

1074
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 2: to a certain certain point. Now, obviously AAV's can get

1075
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 2: ridiculous and there will be a ceiling where okay, we're

1076
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 2: getting this is too much even year after year with

1077
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 2: the amount of money we have, we're gonna go way over.

1078
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 2: But like we'k and we might be approaching that. But

1079
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 2: I think this is more of a positive change than

1080
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 2: a negative change because I think it benefits. There's benefit

1081
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 2: for both sides. More often with these types of deals, wait.

1082
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 4: A benefit for both sides, and it grows the game together.

1083
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 4: Owners make more money, players make more money. We have

1084
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 4: five two hundred viewers right now. Baseball is not dead.

1085
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 4: Baseball we get to watch it. But I have one comment,

1086
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,479
Speaker 4: and I disagree with Scott. Stevie Cohen did not wake

1087
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 4: up this morning and do that Bobashett deal. Stevie Cohen

1088
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 4: did not go to sleep last night because he didn't

1089
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 4: get Kyle Tucker, so he didn't wake up this morning.

1090
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 5: He slept. He was up the entire night, just like you, Scotty.

1091
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: That's true because it went down pretty late and then

1092
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: he's up early with the markets, so he did not sleep.

1093
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: He'll take a nap after this.

1094
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 4: Maybe when the international markets closed.

1095
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 5: That's when he goes to bed.

1096
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: He had he had an option out there just in

1097
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 2: case if the other deal didn't go through, the other

1098
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 2: one just kicked in. He just sent the email and

1099
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 2: got the thumbs up it was done. That's how he

1100
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: That's how he rolls. That's how business works. Keep going.

1101
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: Life is good when a team is your toy. Let

1102
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: me ask you guys this defensive alignment because we asked

1103
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: Ken about it and then we didn't get to the

1104
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 1: topic yet. But defensive alignment for the Mets?

1105
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 3: What are we doing?

1106
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: And like, if you're a pitcher, let's start with Trevor right,

1107
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: you were on this team. Do you feel comfortable with

1108
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: what's going on out there? Dudes learning different positions and hey,

1109
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: Boba shot looked money in limited time over at second base.

1110
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to say he's not capable of

1111
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: handling third. It's just the question mark and the inexperienced

1112
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 1: factor of just throwing a bunch of guys at different positions.

1113
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: Is here's the thing David Sartin to saying our defense

1114
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough. And I believe that athletes can just

1115
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: play other positions. So is he challenging the system a

1116
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: little bit here? When guys say, oh, I got to

1117
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: learn position, it's not that easy. David Stern's like, that

1118
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 1: is we can plug this guy here, that guy there.

1119
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 3: I think it depends on the guy.

1120
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: You know, there's no reason to think that a guy

1121
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: a twenty seven year old guy who has athletic who

1122
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 2: played like the switch from short stop short stop is

1123
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 2: the hardest infield position, so like it is conceivable. And

1124
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 2: I know he was the worst defensive shortstop in the

1125
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 2: league two years running, but like there is there is.

1126
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: I think there's some wisdom in thinking that it will improve.

1127
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 2: Now how much we don't know it's and I'll be honest,

1128
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 2: it's not like Viento's and Beaty are like amazing wizards

1129
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: over there, So maybe that plays in as well. Like

1130
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: if we get the same thing, but we get the bat,

1131
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 2: we can handle that. Because Francisco Lindor is a gold

1132
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 2: glove or close to every single year. Marcus Simeon's a

1133
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 2: goal glove second back. I think those two guys are

1134
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 2: going to be eat up the middle, two veteran guys

1135
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 2: that are locked in and make the right play and

1136
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 2: make all the play they're supposed to make. And Hore Polanco,

1137
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 2: he moves better than Pete Alonso. We'll see how the

1138
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 2: glove comes through. But he played some third base last

1139
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 2: year too, so he moves around. He goes from being

1140
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 2: a middle infielder to a corner infielder as well, which

1141
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,479
Speaker 2: is an easier transition to make, so I think they're

1142
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: banking on that.

1143
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 3: I think what's gonna come down to is.

1144
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: Oh, you got to get those four guys and they

1145
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 2: got to be on the field and they got to

1146
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: practice a lot together, because that's what it comes down to,

1147
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 2: that trust factor.

1148
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 3: And as a pitcher going into spring training, you're gonna

1149
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 3: look around and be like, let's see how this goes.

1150
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 3: Like just the way it is, it's just the way.

1151
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 2: You just don't know until you know. But it also

1152
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: in the case of Sterns like for him to extrapolate

1153
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: and see, you know, these transitions should be easier than

1154
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 2: maybe other situations, and it's conceivable, but it is going to.

1155
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 3: Take a lot of work.

1156
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 2: I mean, when you're we're talking about like fifty million

1157
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 2: dollars a year, right like that, that seems like maybe

1158
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 2: a little bit a little bit of a risk. But uh,

1159
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: I mean the bat just him and Soda together in

1160
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 2: a lineup, is that is a that is a nightmare.

1161
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 3: That is a nightmare for a picture.

1162
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: And maybe that was the thing that's like, hey, this

1163
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 2: is just one of this opportunity presents itself.

1164
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 3: We are idiots for not taking it.

1165
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 2: And that is probably where the final domino fell right

1166
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: there when they went on the right side of the

1167
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 2: fence and they went for both.

1168
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 4: Before I get to my comment about Bo's defense, Trevor

1169
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 4: is a pitcher, and I know pictures while they're looking

1170
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 4: around like is it gonna work, they're also like, oh,

1171
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 4: we had a better third baseman, that play would have

1172
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 4: been made. Why are we shifting? Why are we in

1173
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 4: the shift right here? This is on that would have

1174
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 4: been a ground ball. A second you're like, well he

1175
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 4: hit at two hundred and ten miles an hour so,

1176
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 4: and then when it's groundball, double play into the shift,

1177
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 4: pictures are like, knew it did my job.

1178
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 5: Great job? Am I right or wrong?

1179
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 2: Trevor, No, life's detected, especially relievers, like we're there to

1180
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 2: We're there to complain about every single thing we can

1181
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 2: possibly find. So that is definitely like having built in excuses.

1182
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 3: Not the worst thing in the world. We're gonna get

1183
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 3: bland either way, that doesn't matter.

1184
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 4: It's like a kicker. It's like a kicker, you know,

1185
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 4: if you miss it, that's stinking wind. But my comment

1186
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 4: about Bo's defense I texted this morning right after bow sign.

1187
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 4: I texted a big league shortstop that had to start

1188
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 4: shifting positions. And I said, what is tougher the move

1189
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 4: from short to second every day or the move from

1190
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 4: short to third? And he said, by far third base.

1191
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 4: He said, the angles are completely different, and we can't

1192
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 4: go into an entire hour long show explaining it. But

1193
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 4: that's what third base is about. It's about those angles.

1194
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 4: So can somebody teach bo those angles, somebody that he respects,

1195
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 4: somebody that he has to learn that first step and

1196
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 4: that first step is probably your only step at third base,

1197
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 4: So that's where his value is gonna be. Can he

1198
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 4: go six feet back and six feet in? And if

1199
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 4: he can, to me, that's where he will increase his value.

1200
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,439
Speaker 4: Not ooh, he really ran far. The plays were third

1201
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 4: baseman's run far to go get a ball. That's not like,

1202
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:30,959
Speaker 4: that's not range. Range is that first step in all

1203
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 4: four directions front, back, left, right, and creating that angle

1204
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 4: to get yourself from six feet to eight feet And

1205
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 4: it was good insight by him, somebody that had to

1206
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 4: really make that transition. And he said third was the

1207
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 4: toughest because of the angle. So there's go'n be a

1208
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 4: lot of pressure on bo. Oh yeah, And he has

1209
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 4: to hit three hundred two.

1210
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, February twenty second. You can already see the headline.

1211
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: David Wright in camp with the Mets, working with Boba Schett,

1212
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: the big fish who might be a little more popular

1213
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: these days. Cody Bellinger. John Hayman reporting the Yankees are

1214
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: willing to add not one, but two opt outs to

1215
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: Belly's contract offer. It would also include a big signing

1216
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: bonus and no deferrals in the contract. Trevor. The number

1217
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: we've been hearing for Bellingers around thirty million dollars per season,

1218
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: and it seems like the Yankees and Belly have been

1219
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: at an impasse because they only want to hand out

1220
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: five years. I'm trying to think also at who's leaking

1221
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: this out. Is it the Yankees because they want everyone

1222
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: to know how hard they're trying, or is it Belly's

1223
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: camp because they want to know a this is what

1224
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: we're getting last call, But it appears to be right

1225
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: if we're guessing based on all the reports. Getting conjured

1226
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: together five years about thirty a year, multiple opt outs,

1227
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: and no deferrals, really solid signing bonus up front. I

1228
01:02:58,480 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: don't want to say take it or leave it, but

1229
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: the Yankees being like this, what you would like, This

1230
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: is where we value you. Maybe another team swoops in,

1231
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: like the Blue Jays.

1232
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: I mean, oh my god, the Yankees are obsessed with him,

1233
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 2: like they really really want him. Hey, if I'm Yankees fans,

1234
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 2: at least you can't say they're not. Don't try it,

1235
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 2: like you can't just give you don't just go, hey,

1236
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: we gave him exactly.

1237
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 3: The thing he asked for the first one. I get that.

1238
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 2: I think adding the opt outs in is trying to

1239
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 2: shorten that deal. That's what you have to do. Now,

1240
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 2: there might be a third opt out that needs to

1241
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 2: be in there, because again, if there's only two and

1242
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 2: it's in the back, it's in the back end. He

1243
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 2: still have the guaranteed maybe if there's one before each one,

1244
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 2: and then you can kick up the aa V a

1245
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 2: little bit, give another chance. But again he's a little

1246
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 2: bit older than say it, Tucker, so maybe it's not

1247
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 2: as so so interesting, Like he doesn't like that still's

1248
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 2: kind of taking him to where another contract isn't going

1249
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 2: to be very lucrative, and he wants that covered. What

1250
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 2: I think is really interesting is the signing bonus thing,

1251
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 2: because that is going to help him avoid New York

1252
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 2: City taxes, which is very high, not as high so COW,

1253
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 2: but close.

1254
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 3: It's second, honest, and that is significant.

1255
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 2: And then the no deferred money, it creeps that value

1256
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 2: up at the number that he wants. So those are big, like,

1257
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 2: those are big concessions and uh, that's a lot oftentimes

1258
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 2: enough to to shake loose this this fixation with seven years.

1259
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,919
Speaker 2: But it sounds like security is so important to him

1260
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 2: and if you can that's why the opt outs might

1261
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 2: fall on deaf ears. And he's like, I don't I

1262
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 2: want a place where I don't even have to think

1263
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 2: about opting out, Like because I've just committed to this.

1264
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 3: Is it till into the into the into the.

1265
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 2: Sunset are close to and it's like to be stubborn

1266
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 2: and stick with that long term deal as hard as

1267
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 2: he seemingly is. Security sounds like the thing he wants

1268
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 2: the most, But maybe those other two things, the signing bonus,

1269
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 2: the non deferred money, like getting all the money up front,

1270
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 2: there is a certain level security comes along with that.

1271
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 2: We'll see if that's enough to get it over the line.

1272
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 2: If it's if it's enough to satisfy that feeling, we'll

1273
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 2: we'll I guess we'll have to see very minimum. I mean,

1274
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 2: if they're leaking it, they put it out there, you

1275
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 2: can't really are like they're they're they're going for like

1276
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 2: they're going for they really want them. They keep going back,

1277
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 2: they keep justing, they keep getting creative, and there is

1278
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 2: at least a level a little bit, uh if you're

1279
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 2: a Yankes fan, a little bit of appreciation order they

1280
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 2: should be for for the attempt.

1281
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, you don't get them,

1282
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter.

1283
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like they have to get them. Obviously.

1284
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 4: You can never operate like that if you're the Yankees,

1285
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 4: you're any other team, man. I mean, there's a lot

1286
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 4: going on. The Red Sox are missing out on Bregman.

1287
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 4: They go and get Ranger, they trade it for Sunny Gray.

1288
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 4: They you know, they have young prospects coming up. Maybe

1289
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 4: the Red Sox haven't done enough yet. Boom, they get Ranger.

1290
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 4: They after their pivot. Okay, the Blue Jays have been

1291
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 4: doing what they're doing. The Orioles are still lurking and

1292
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 4: working and they you know, they've made some incredible moves

1293
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 4: with Pete Alonzo.

1294
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 5: They had upgrades.

1295
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 4: Do the Yankees have to get it. And that's where

1296
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 4: Cody's like, I know, you have to get me. I

1297
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 4: want to go back there. This is this is like

1298
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 4: both of us, we want this. And it feels like

1299
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 4: the Yankees are going, here's your contract. I forget what

1300
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 4: it was. It was a cartoon and it was like,

1301
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 4: here's what I'll give you, and they're like, I don't know.

1302
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 4: And then they're like, okay, we have this and we

1303
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 4: have one of these. Okay, that's great, but hang on,

1304
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 4: hang on, okay, so we have the contract, we have this,

1305
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 4: and we have that, and they're like, uh, let's.

1306
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 3: This is it.

1307
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 4: This is what we got, contract, this, that, and we

1308
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:41,479
Speaker 4: got all of these things. And Cody's like, I didn't

1309
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 4: ask for all that. I asked for seven years. That's

1310
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 4: what I want. Maybe a little less annual value, but

1311
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 4: I want seven years to take me at thirty seven.

1312
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 4: I don't think Cody wants to go back out on

1313
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 4: the market at thirty five or after his thirty five

1314
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 4: aged thirty five season, Like I just think I think

1315
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 4: it's they're at an impass and I don't know exactly

1316
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 4: how the negotiations go, Like how many times have they

1317
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 4: gone back to each other, and I think he wants seven.

1318
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 4: They won five. My guess they settle on six. Cody

1319
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 4: Bellinger plays till he's thirty six there and they get

1320
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 4: their man and they make a few other moves and

1321
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 4: one big starting pitcher splash.

1322
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 1: Yankees might say, all right, six years, but we're going

1323
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: to lower the avert annal value a little bit totally.

1324
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 4: But I mean, I definitely think they will. I think

1325
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 4: that's the that's the play, and Yankee fans will be like, well,

1326
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 4: when have they ever done that? Sorry, it was a

1327
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 4: dja l Mayhew, but le Mayhew wanted to come back.

1328
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 4: I think Cody wants to come back. I think le

1329
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 4: Mayhew got six years ninety. I think he had at

1330
01:07:54,640 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 4: the time like four years seventy nine, and I forget

1331
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 4: what the number was from someone else and they were like, well,

1332
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 4: we'll give you a little bit more money, eleven million more,

1333
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 4: but we got to spread that out along a long ways,

1334
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 4: and he's like, cool, let's do it. And so I

1335
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 4: think that's where Cody's at.

1336
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that might have a little deferral action to it,

1337
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: so that it's a little bit more money but not

1338
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: a ton more money. But you get that sixth year

1339
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: if he's truly craving that, or you just take the

1340
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: five and say, wow, they really like me, like Trevor said,

1341
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: and he gave me all kinds of goodies, like a

1342
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 1: signing bonus to get some cash up front. But we'll see.

1343
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems to be the one. I don't

1344
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:40,560
Speaker 1: want to say sure thing, but it's definitely it's definitely

1345
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: a perfect fit for both sides, or at least it

1346
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: appears that way. Maybe a team swoops in and surprises us.

1347
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 1: It's not like we haven't seen that since this morning.

1348
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 1: Boba Schett and the Mets. Yes, anyway, we're gonna talk

1349
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 1: more about this. What who the Mets had to do it?

1350
01:08:58,320 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no, wow, Yeah, the Mets had it.

1351
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 5: The Yankees have to do it.

1352
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 4: Is there a have to do it more out on

1353
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 4: the market right now, besides maybe starting pitching for the

1354
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 4: Orioles or or the Mets. Like, to me, this is

1355
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 4: the most we like. They have to do it. They

1356
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:20,560
Speaker 4: have to go. There's no more Bobachett. Pivot to Bobachett

1357
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 4: and then put Jason Domingas in the outfield and Trent

1358
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 4: Grisham plays every day and you find a place for

1359
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,759
Speaker 4: you know, you put Jazz in left and then Jason

1360
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 4: sits or whatever, Like there's no I don't think there's

1361
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 4: a Is there a pivot for the Yankees? Maybe I'm

1362
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 4: forgetting somebody, but I don't see the pivot right now.

1363
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: The quietest three team trade of all time went down

1364
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: in baseball last night. Trevor, I'm sure you saw this

1365
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: and got a chuckle. Kyle Tucker signs and then through

1366
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,759
Speaker 1: the algorithm you really had to dig, right, You're like digging.

1367
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: There's like jokes, all kinds of hate about the Dodgers

1368
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 1: doing everything, and you're like, oh, wow, I see this

1369
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: one tweet about a three team trade that involves the Rays,

1370
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: the Reds, and the Angels. Josh Low is now an Angel,

1371
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: Gavin Lux and right hander pitching prospect Chris Clark going

1372
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 1: to the Rays, left handed reliever Brock Burke to the Reds,

1373
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: and Keith Low put a great article out in The

1374
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: Athletic to explain some of the dynamics here. Josh Low

1375
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: has had like the mini breakout in twenty twenty three

1376
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: and really declined in the past two years. The Rays

1377
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: have quite a few outfielders, including Jacob Melton added to

1378
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: the mix, so now they're able to give him more

1379
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: freedom of playing time. Also on this, Trevor, you have

1380
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,480
Speaker 1: Gavin Lux, used to be a top prospect with the Dodgers,

1381
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: now moving around a little bit. He was with the Reds.

1382
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: It's kind of weird year for him. I mean, obp

1383
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: monster right, three poin fifty on base percentage was top

1384
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 1: forty in baseball left field. Defensive metrics weren't great, but

1385
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's going to be better at

1386
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: second base and I'm imagining he's replacing Brandon Lau over there.

1387
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 1: Red shed a little bit of money too, not that

1388
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,799
Speaker 1: they need to, but five and a half million for Lux. Instead,

1389
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 1: they bring on brock Burke to be part of the

1390
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 1: bullpen for about half the price. Maybe there's another move

1391
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: coming for the Reds in their outfield. I think there

1392
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: should be. But your thoughts on the fun that was

1393
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: had here? Oh, and I guess the Angels getting Josh Low,

1394
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 1: who does still have I think high potential to be

1395
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 1: a part of an outfield that still needs to fill

1396
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: itself out. The only regular from last year that returns

1397
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 1: is Joe Adell.

1398
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's just a classic.

1399
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 2: Anything with the trade or trade with the Rays is

1400
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 2: just a bunch of teams filling in.

1401
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 3: It's a bunch.

1402
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 2: Of quality players that are around the same maybe overall

1403
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 2: value for the team. And then we're just putting guys

1404
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 2: and we need a right fielder and we need a

1405
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 2: second bason. Okay, let's wap these two guys and now

1406
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 2: we have them in the right positions. But maybe maybe

1407
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 2: our wind total didn't go up in any meaningful way,

1408
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,640
Speaker 2: and then maybe there's a prospect that they can hit on.

1409
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 2: And so I mean, these three teams are all kind

1410
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 2: of doing that.

1411
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:12,879
Speaker 3: It is interesting.

1412
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 2: I'm someday I'm going to solve the Angel's equation, like

1413
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 2: what the long term goals are and plan is. It's

1414
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,640
Speaker 2: a lot of uh, go grab a guy who had

1415
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 2: a good year a few years ago and then hope

1416
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 2: he comes back, and then most done doesn't.

1417
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 3: But hey, I'm I'm pulling for for Josh.

1418
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 2: Low He like you said, he is a ceiling to

1419
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 2: be a substantial bet in that lineup lefty stick, so

1420
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 2: he also kind of fulfills in need. Perimannassians made these

1421
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 2: type of deals as well, just trying to fill out

1422
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 2: the areas where there's not a lot of depth. So

1423
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's nothing really to say beyond that,

1424
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be uh And the Red's going to

1425
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 2: getting relief pitching. They've been doing that a little bit too,

1426
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 2: but yeah, they definitely need to do a little bit more.

1427
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 3: It's going to be interesting.

1428
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 2: It's kind of weird to see how little they've been

1429
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 2: doing it after being a playoff team last year. But again,

1430
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 2: it might have been they might have been handed that

1431
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 2: more than they earned it, and that could be something

1432
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 2: that they're feeling a little bit. They're not quite ready

1433
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 2: to go put their foot on the gas, but they

1434
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 2: definitely need to do something because they are close and

1435
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 2: you've got to take advantage of twelve teams go to

1436
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 2: the playoffs. You know, you can get in with eighty

1437
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 2: three wins, and.

1438
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 3: Who knows what happens at that point, you can go

1439
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 3: steal one. So I like it.

1440
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:28,679
Speaker 2: I think I think all three of these teams got

1441
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 2: more solid, maybe not necessarily gonna make bigger waves, but

1442
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,719
Speaker 2: maybe more consistent teams.

1443
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 3: And I like the pieces here.

1444
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 4: I love this for the Angels because of the fact

1445
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 4: that I think Josh Lowe is the best player in

1446
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 4: this entire Rigamoreau of players being moved, But this year

1447
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 4: they said, we need more slug. They went and got

1448
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 4: Jorge Solaire in the outfield, which is now blocked Mike

1449
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 4: Trout and Joe Adele took the leap forward in the

1450
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 4: sense that he hit a bunch of homers but was

1451
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 4: the worst defensive center fielder in the game. So to me,

1452
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 4: I like this for the Angels, but it seems like

1453
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 4: it was like, yeah, we did want more slug, but

1454
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 4: then we got Jorge and now there's not slug available.

1455
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 4: We got rid of Taylor Ward, so we actually lost

1456
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 4: more slug. So did they change their mindset? I don't know,

1457
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 4: but I think I think I think Josh Low is

1458
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 4: going to have a better year than he had this

1459
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 4: past year's coming off of an injury his plate played

1460
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 4: after he came back last year. I just think I

1461
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 4: think there's a dynamic portion to his game that I

1462
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 4: don't think a lot of people know, because you know,

1463
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 4: the rays don't get seen by many people live in

1464
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 4: their stadium or nationally. But I think Gavin Lux I'll

1465
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 4: never forget when he was in spring training and he

1466
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 4: was gonna he was anointed as the next shortstop for

1467
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 4: the Los Angeles Dodgers. Kind of got a little yippie

1468
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 4: tore his knee up pretty bad, and I think he's

1469
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 4: really trying to still continue to come back from that.

1470
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 4: And I think if he can settle into a place

1471
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 4: that will just let him get his at bats, he

1472
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 4: can figure out a way to stay out on the

1473
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 4: field for one hundred and fifty five games this year.

1474
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 4: I think his own base percentage will make his batting

1475
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 4: average climb. He makes great decisions at the plate, and

1476
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:30,679
Speaker 4: I think if he can play one hundred and forty

1477
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 4: games at second base and get into one hundred and

1478
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 4: fifty to one hundred and fifty five games, I think

1479
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 4: the amount of those at bats that consistency will help

1480
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 4: him regain some of his highly touted prospect status that

1481
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 4: he had, and I think it could be a really

1482
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 4: good piece for the Rays to be able to fit

1483
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 4: back in. But he has to be out on the

1484
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 4: field every single day to get those significant, consistent at bats,

1485
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 4: and I think that has to happen at one position,

1486
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 4: because sometimes when you're bouncing around, it's tough to get

1487
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 4: that flow going.

1488
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: Did you guys see the movie The replacements back in

1489
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 1: the day. Keanu reeves that one hit. I just thought

1490
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: it was really fun, right, all these guys that had

1491
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: these past primes or superstar level fame. So for some reason,

1492
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: and maybe you have a play on words with baseball,

1493
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 1: because replacement level player is a thing, so it's like

1494
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: the replacement levels. Maybe I'm just going totally off on

1495
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,600
Speaker 1: a limb here, but the Angel's point here is that

1496
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 1: they seem to be bringing guys in that like had

1497
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 1: this little burst, right, Josh Lowe, Alec Manoa, Grayson Rodriguez. Right,

1498
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: there's a lot of these like, hey, this guy had

1499
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:43,600
Speaker 1: some awesome and it's Jordan Romano's. Let's see if we

1500
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: could find it again. Let's see if we could bring

1501
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 1: it back.

1502
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 4: No Kratz, Yeah, Okay, yeah, I mean let's lessen this trade.

1503
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 4: Lesson this trade. I believe it with the Jordan Romano,

1504
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 4: I believe it with the Alec Manoa they signed Noah Cinderguard,

1505
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 4: the other you know they've It feels like to me

1506
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 4: they're a year late. It feels like the Angels get

1507
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 4: somebody and it's a year too late.

1508
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 1: Like Ah, Man, if.

1509
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 4: We had had Tyler Anderson when he was legit if

1510
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 4: we had had you know, this guy when he was

1511
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 4: when he was the man, if we had gotten now,

1512
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 4: I think the Kakuchi signing is has been something for him.

1513
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 4: You know, if they can turn the air conditioning back up,

1514
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 4: that would be good. But I think it's I think

1515
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 4: that's where they miss. I think that's where they miss.

1516
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 4: And they don't have enough depth in the minor leagues

1517
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 4: because all their minor leaguers are in the big leagues.

1518
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 4: They're they're they're training in the big leagues. And I

1519
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 4: think these like pastor prime. I wouldn't say past their

1520
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:46,719
Speaker 4: prime because I really think Josh Lowe is a good player.

1521
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 4: I think he's out of all those guys that you

1522
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 4: just mentioned, I think he can be. I think he

1523
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 4: can be a twenty plus home run guy. I think

1524
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 4: he can be a twenty plus bag maybe even a

1525
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 4: thirty plus bag guy. So if you pick up twenty

1526
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 4: twenty thirty guy, that's gonna play way better outfield than

1527
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 4: anybody they were gonna put out there. I mean, think

1528
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 4: about their outfield defense right now. I haven't looked up

1529
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 4: Josh Lowe's metrics in the outfield. I think it could

1530
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 4: be a little skewed from playing in George Steinbrenner. But

1531
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 4: I'd have to look it up. Trout, so Lair and

1532
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 4: Joe Adell. Yeah, Josh Lowe is gonna roam around there.

1533
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 4: He's gonna look like Kelly Leak in that outfield.

1534
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1535
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 1: And his metrics aren't great right, and they were down

1536
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 1: quite a bit in twenty twenty five. Keith Law's articles

1537
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 1: interesting because it actually it doesn't say like conditioning issue,

1538
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: but it's saying how he's getting himself in a much

1539
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 1: better position shape wise and whatever save the best shape

1540
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 1: in my life stuff. But yeah, I mean he did

1541
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 1: kind of point to that multiple times in the articles.

1542
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: So because he's a good athlete, so maybe there's something there.

1543
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: But I would say, yeah, if he returns to the

1544
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: norms more maybe an average defender out there. I get

1545
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: what you're saying, though, it's it's not a shiny outfield defensively,

1546
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 1: you got him low or him Trout, Joe Adele and

1547
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 1: then maybe or Hazel are getting some time out there.

1548
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 1: The way to fix the Angels Trevor is a new owner.

1549
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 1: It's the only way. At this point, they have no plan.

1550
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: It's that's very clear. I have lost faith in anything

1551
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 1: going on there for a while now, and we act

1552
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: like it's the Rockies, like it's so tough to solve this,

1553
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 1: Like the Rockies actually have a real environment situation to

1554
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: figure out. The Angels don't. So I don't want to

1555
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 1: put them in the same category at all. Like there

1556
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: are difficulties to long term success in Colorado. The Angel's

1557
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 1: successes or plan for success is much more simple. They're

1558
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 1: just like lost in space.

1559
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 3: I mean, no one wants to go to SoCal very obviously. Yeah,

1560
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:42,719
Speaker 3: that's really problem.

1561
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 1: They can't recruit.

1562
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's definitely Art Moreno, and he stumbled into

1563
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 2: a World Series the first year he owned the team

1564
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 2: and then has not sense. And I would just I

1565
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 2: just did a big segment on may Day about the

1566
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 2: worst contracts in history, and they have like five of

1567
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 2: the top seven. So it's just and they've all been

1568
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:06,879
Speaker 2: during Art's tenure there, with Josh Hamilton and pool hosts

1569
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 2: and Rendon and.

1570
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:10,719
Speaker 3: I mean to a little bit of extent.

1571
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 2: I mean, we love everyone loves Mike Trout, but like

1572
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 2: the value is not matched the money right now, Like it's.

1573
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 3: Just keeps happening.

1574
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 2: Uh, the trading for Vernon Wells when he's at the

1575
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 2: bottom right, So like it's just it's just what they do.

1576
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 2: Like he hears the name and it's almost as if

1577
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 2: he's like, oh, I've heard that name before and then

1578
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 2: he just says yes, like and it's been that with

1579
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 2: honestly managers, and it's been that with jam. It's just

1580
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 2: like got people who have been around. He's heard the

1581
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 2: name before, and he's like, that's a baseball person. Let's

1582
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 2: get him.

1583
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 3: And you can't just keep flip flopping. And I have

1584
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 3: a goal.

1585
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 2: You got to be baseball savvy and so and it

1586
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 2: starts with him, and I'm not gonna blame I know

1587
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 2: everyone over there is doing it. Everyone below that wrong

1588
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 2: is doing everything they can to navigate this thing. And

1589
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 2: there's other teams that have similar problems where it's just like,

1590
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 2: what like, at some point you're running too at a

1591
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 2: block mescuse of the person who's been there the whole time.

1592
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 2: But you know, at some point we gotta pitching is

1593
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 2: just gotta be the You gotta win with pitching, and

1594
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 2: it's a place to go. Everyone wants to pitch that like,

1595
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 2: go pitch, and so it's nice all the time. You

1596
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 2: can always grip the ball. You know what, you know

1597
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 2: what the temperature is going to be almost to the

1598
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,759
Speaker 2: to the to the degree every day because it's the same,

1599
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 2: Like that's a great place to go pitch. The ball

1600
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 2: isn't necessarily fly like crazy, so like it's just it

1601
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 2: seems like something that they just don't have that, Like

1602
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 2: you mentioned the obstacles of like mince. People go be like, hey,

1603
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 2: I know you like pitching, but you're gonna give up

1604
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 2: more runs. But we'll give you money to compensate you

1605
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 2: for that. At least the Rockets have tried that a

1606
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 2: couple of times. They just are just swing missing left right,

1607
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 2: and it is frustrating. But I'm not an Angels fan,

1608
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 2: but like you know, I didn't follow them super closely,

1609
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 2: but you know, you want to see you it's peaks

1610
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:45,719
Speaker 2: and valleys. You just can't be in a valley forever,

1611
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:49,639
Speaker 2: and it gets frustrating. Someone covers baseball is watching it,

1612
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 2: just like you know, wh when's when's your time coming back?

1613
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 3: Oh? Five was a long what was it? O? Three? Three? Two?

1614
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 3: Long time ago? All right, long long? You know, thirteen

1615
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 3: year olds in the middle of Trevor's like here we go, come.

1616
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 1: On, yeah, let's go guys. I'm with you, and just

1617
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 1: for time purposes, I'll just say what Kratz texted me.

1618
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 1: Or they also forgot to trade show he o Tani

1619
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 1: when they two months left of him and could have

1620
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 1: gotten the world, including Jackson Merrill.

1621
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 2: And that's an ownership Yeah, I know all the black

1622
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 2: forgot about that that.

1623
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 3: I think that's ptsd' out of my head.

1624
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 4: Jackson Merril, Jackson Merril, I heard Jackson Holiday. Both of

1625
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 4: those guys were on for show. Hey, and he ended

1626
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 4: up tearing his UCL or had reconstruction of his UCO

1627
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 4: and missed it like they could have traded him for

1628
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 4: that Like for those guys. Ah, that's an ownership thing.

1629
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's painful. We have an Angel show for therapy

1630
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: if you want it, Halo Territory. But we also have

1631
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 1: since we were talking about the trade, Riverfront Territory, which

1632
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 1: is our new Red show. It's about a month and

1633
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 1: a half old. It's got Danny Graves and c Shrint

1634
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 1: Rosecrants who covers the team on a daily basis. It's

1635
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: ft network coverage that you're looking for on a team

1636
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 1: by team. Yes, we've been hearing you. We've been launching

1637
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 1: shows left and right. And also Danny will be at

1638
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 1: Redsfest this weekend, so the last chance to promo it.

1639
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to throw it out there. Three

1640
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 1: o'clock Eastern Poker tournament action. The tournament itself starts at four,

1641
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: but grab there's a bar, drinks, food, the whole deal

1642
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 1: at the Convention Center in Cincinnati, and then twelve o'clock

1643
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 1: Eastern or local panel discussion at the Ben MGM Sports

1644
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 1: Book at the Banks over there. So go check it

1645
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 1: all out. We'll see you this weekend, myself, Danny and

1646
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 1: Todd Father. All right, one more move Willie Castro two

1647
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:50,719
Speaker 1: years about thirteen million bucks two the Colorado Rockies and Kratz.

1648
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 1: There was a great joke online from someone who was like, really,

1649
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 1: the Rockies couldn't have Willy Castro day, Come on, Dodgers

1650
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 1: of course steal their thunder, like we signed Kyle Tucker.

1651
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 1: So this is not going to get its own segment

1652
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 1: on FT. It's going to get a one minute mention.

1653
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 1: But good for Willy. I mean, he had a really

1654
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 1: good year two years ago All Star and then this

1655
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: past season was much more of a down year. Guys

1656
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 1: that covered the Twins were like surprised that he got

1657
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 1: a two year deal, but good for him. And it

1658
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:20,639
Speaker 1: takes a little extra sometimes for the recruiting trail right

1659
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,679
Speaker 1: now for the Rockies, but to do it all guy

1660
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: that can set a good example and whoever gets called up,

1661
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 1: he can just build a next open spot.

1662
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:30,679
Speaker 5: Good for the Rockies.

1663
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 4: Good for the Rockies for doing a little extra. They

1664
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 4: spent money, whether they had to do it, they wanted

1665
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 4: to do it, whatever, But good for the Rockies for

1666
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 4: going out and doing this. And it's definitely a buying

1667
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 4: law on a guy that coming in to last season

1668
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 4: after his All Star season, you were like, this guy's

1669
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 4: taking the next step, going to be the next like

1670
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 4: ben Zobras type of contract, not saying that he is

1671
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,679
Speaker 4: ben Zobras, but that guy that can play above average

1672
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 4: at a bunch of different positions. And you know what,

1673
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 4: he didn't have a good year. Rockies still saw value.

1674
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 4: They were willing to go, whether it was the extra

1675
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,480
Speaker 4: years or a little extra in the contract.

1676
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 5: Good for Willy.

1677
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: What are you saying, Trevor, they're done?

1678
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the fix. Let's go bring it.

1679
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 2: In, yeh, Willie Castro and give Michael Lorenz in a

1680
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 2: bat as well as the ball.

1681
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 3: And uh, now I you know what I I you

1682
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 3: know we can.

1683
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 2: You can say you want about the Rockies and and

1684
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:40,440
Speaker 2: and Dick Monford the operating part of there. But like it,

1685
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a question whether or not, like

1686
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 2: he likes baseball and he really does want to be

1687
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 2: a good like he wants his team to be good.

1688
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 2: I just think that like maybe there's a lack of

1689
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:55,839
Speaker 2: creativity and a lack of uh spending money in places

1690
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 2: that you could that may develop your team better and

1691
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 2: understand and use your advance use where you play as

1692
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 2: an advantage because it stinks to play there, But eighty

1693
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 2: one teams have to come to you and eighty one

1694
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 2: games other teams who aren't there all the time have

1695
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 2: to play there. So maybe you can make separate yourself

1696
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 2: in that way. I mean, I just don't see that happening.

1697
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 2: But they went for Chris Bryant that has it worked out,

1698
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 2: But they went for it. Like there's teams that just

1699
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 2: don't go for it at all, which is just like

1700
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 2: you can't there's nothing, nothing will ever happen if you

1701
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 2: never go for it. So at least they do that

1702
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 2: at least they do that, and at least they you know,

1703
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 2: will Willie's gonna go get a chance to recoup some

1704
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 2: of his value. He plays all over the field, he's

1705
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:36,600
Speaker 2: a veteran guy. There's there's worse outcomes as it's no

1706
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:40,839
Speaker 2: risk and worst case scenario, or or maybe he recoups

1707
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 2: some value and he gets to go continue to build

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01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 2: up a case for a better contracted future, which is

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01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 2: a good for him.

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Speaker 3: So like, I like it.

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01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 2: I understand where they're at and like, you know, how

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01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 2: are you gonna how are you gonna go blow it

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01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 2: out at this point when you won forty something games

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01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 2: last year? But incremental improvements and hopefully though the I

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01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 2: want to see the player development stuff get better. But

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01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 2: you know, they're hiring new people, so let's see that.

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01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 2: Let's see if that colles as well, and I do

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01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 2: I will give them credit for making a move.

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01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, baby steps, And you do have to add vets

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01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 1: to set examples and also guys that you can potentially flip. Right,

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01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,639
Speaker 1: it's definitely possible that Willy has a bounce back season

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01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: and they trade him either this year or they have

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01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:24,879
Speaker 1: for two years, So that could happen in twenty twenty seven,

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01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 1: and then there were two krats and me kind of

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01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 1: talked about Kratz hats already, but you could still throw

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01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 1: it out there and maybe do a double.

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Speaker 5: For anybody who wasn't.

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Speaker 4: Because now we have five thousand people watching, don't forget

1729
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 4: to hit the subscribe and like button, subscribe doesn't actually

1730
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:50,679
Speaker 4: cost you a subscription, so it's totally free. Hit the button,

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01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 4: get us a three hundred thousand. Today's winners probably the first.

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01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 4: I think it's the first day I've ever worn two

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01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 4: hats on one show. The Mets and Dodgers. Will they

1734
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 4: meet up? Will the moves that they made today have

1735
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 4: them clashing in the Nationally Championship Game this year? Some

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01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 4: will think yes, some will think no. Great day for

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01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 4: both organizations. But who who actually won the day? That's

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01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:20,640
Speaker 4: the question. I'll let you guys figure.

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01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 1: Out National leagu Championship Series remake Dodgers Mets, remember twenty

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01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 1: twenty four. I'm not sure more pitching decisions that need

1741
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 1: to be made, I think on the Mets side, but

1742
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 1: we shall see. Winter Meetings Week virtually continues on FT.

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01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 1: Hopefully they take a break this weekend. I'll be in

1744
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 1: Cincinnati with Todd and Danny. I'll try and do my

1745
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 1: best to outlast them in poker tomorrow in the big

1746
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 1: tournament at the Convention Center, all for a good cause.

1747
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 1: And then next week we're back at it and we'll

1748
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 1: cover more trades and signings. AJ back with us. We

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01:28:57,320 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 1: do have a show on Monday, so we'll be live

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01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 1: Monday one o'clock Eustern time. Thanks for the team behind

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01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 1: the scenes working extra hard, including last night for the

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01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,639
Speaker 1: Breaking News show, which was awesome and included Jim Bowden

1753
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 1: and Ken Rosenthal with Moore on The Kyle Tucker News

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01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:16,560
Speaker 1: which is still very relevant. Have a nice weekend everyone,