1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: This life was all I ever wanted. I'm not leaving, 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: not yet. I was hoping you can say that you 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: gotta hit the streets make some money. Maybe like us, 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: let's destroyed, maybe like kept by. All up, Get Showtime 5 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: free at showtime dot com. My brother Jack got back 6 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: All Smoke just getting started, Baby, just getting started. Welcome 7 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: back to a special quarantine edition of All the Smoke. 8 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: I'm coming to you from Los Angeles. Jack's coming to 9 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: you from the A t L. We got a special 10 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: guest today, Man Um last name, one of the one 11 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: of the greatest assist men of all time, former Golden 12 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: State Warrior head coach Um and now to me, one 13 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: of the best basketball and listing minds Um in the game. 14 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: That's new name the Mind. Him and uh Jeff Van 15 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: Gundy's chemistry is ship similar to me and Jack's. I 16 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 1: love watching them do so. Man special welcome and special 17 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: thanks to Mark Jackson. I just get your new nickname, 18 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: O g the Mind. I just give you a new nickname, 19 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: The Mind. I did hear that. I appreciate that. I 20 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: like that. How are you staying busy? Obviously is your 21 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: family safe? And how are you staying busy during this time. Yeah, 22 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: thanks for asking and create the same goals for you 23 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: guys and your families. But just a lot of quality 24 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: time just hanging at the house, spending time watching shows 25 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: and beating them in spades, but just just enjoying the 26 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: time that we have as a family to be together. 27 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: It's a tough time for everybody, but just too shell pass. 28 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely we uh you know, Jack and I spoke on 29 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: this too. You know, we're just enjoying the downtime being 30 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: around our loved ones. Because even though obviously we played, 31 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: we all played long careers. We're all still in this 32 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: next kind of analysts broadcasting business that we're traveling across 33 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: the country all the time. So it's it's good to 34 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: kind of sit down. Uh. It's an unfortunate situation and 35 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: reason why, but just the fact to be able to 36 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: sit down and spend time with our family has been 37 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: amazing for me as well. Well, you think about it, 38 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: we go our whole careers waiting for the opportunity to 39 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: one day retire finished playing, and we think we're gonna 40 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: settle down, and all of a sudden, I'm running all 41 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: around the country being an analysts, and you guys now 42 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: with a big time TV show and doing a heck 43 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: of a job. But you're all over the place, So 44 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: this is a good time to spend around the family 45 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: and just you know, enjoy the kids. Absolutely talk to 46 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: us a little bit. Uh. The difference between being an 47 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: analyst now um and being a head coach in the NBA, Well, 48 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: the big difference is the competitive edge. As an analyst, 49 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm winning every single night. When lose a draw, I'm 50 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: not mad. I don't have to worry about making adjustments 51 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: anything like that. As a coach, you're you're always thinking, 52 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: even even when you're winning, you're thinking, how can we 53 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: get better? What did we do that maybe one tonight's game, 54 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: but won't win a game against you know, the Clippers 55 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: are the Lakers, are the Bucks. So you're constantly thinking 56 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: about getting better. So I don't have that competitive edge 57 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: leaving the arena that I used to as a playoff 58 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: as a coach, uh, And that's refreshing, but also out 59 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: of the game that I truly missed some nights. You 60 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: know you might not. We all make mistakes and we 61 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: all don't have our best days on TV. But some 62 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: nights do you feel like hard on yourself? But you 63 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: don't have your best nights calling the game. No, because 64 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: I always think, you know, I'm fortunate enough, as you 65 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: guys can attest to, I'm playing with greatness, so and 66 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm slaying beside Jeff Van Gundy and Mike Breen. They 67 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: do a tremendous job of carrying the load of making 68 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: sure we pick each other up. So we're a total team. 69 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: So night in the night out, we always think we 70 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: could have done something better, but we truly enjoyed one 71 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: another and how we pick each other up. Yeah, we 72 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: enjoyed that too. You recently just mentioned, uh that you 73 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: kind of missed that competitive edge a little bit from coaching. 74 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: Is we kind of on the outside, This is us speaking. 75 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: We kind of feel like you've been blackballed from coaching. Um, 76 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: you don't. You don't have to use that word. Like 77 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: I said, that's how Jack and I feel. What are 78 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: your thoughts because to me, like I said in the opening, 79 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: you're one of the best basketball minds I've heard. Uh, 80 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, you were a floor leader since you can 81 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: remember a point guard general, you have so much to 82 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: give to the game. But I just don't feel like 83 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: you'd be given a fair shake. Um, as far as 84 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: being the NBA head coach, well, I appreciate the love 85 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: that you guys have expressed. Uh either I watched it, 86 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: heard it, or heard about it, So I don't take 87 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: it for granted, and I truly appreciate it. Um. With 88 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: that being said, I'm a guy with tremendous faith. I'm 89 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: not gonna slip my wrist if I never coach again, 90 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: because I believe what the Bible says as fall is 91 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: if you do what you're supposed to do, it's a 92 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: promise from God that I will not withhold any good 93 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,119 Speaker 1: thing from you. So if I'm not coaching, that means 94 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: it's not good as long as I'm doing what I'm 95 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: supposed to do. I truly believe that today will come 96 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: when I have the opportunity to, you know, to walk 97 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: the sidelines again and lead a basketball team for three 98 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: years in Golden State at the time of my life, 99 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: impacting players, developing relationships, and changing the culture. And I 100 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: truly was blessed to do that and I look forward 101 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: to the opportunity to do it again. I don't believe 102 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: that no man can blackfall me. That door will open 103 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: up and the opportunity will present itself. I'll be locked 104 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: and loaded and fully prepared to finish the task. That's 105 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: a fashion. That's a fashion for me to hear man, 106 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: because you know, you know, like Matt said, we've been 107 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: to guys have been fighting for you all this time. 108 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: And and to hear I appiece you wire with it 109 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: and to and to understand I'm big in faith, to 110 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: to understand, you know, my faith controls everything. To hear 111 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: you say it like that, you know, I'm kind of 112 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: calm do with how things are going now. I just 113 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: look at it like he's been too good to me. 114 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I got fired, and 115 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: twenty four hours later I was signed to go back 116 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: to ESPN and call the NBA Finals. So it wasn't 117 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: like I had the opportunity to sit back and say, man, 118 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: what is going on, How I'm gonna pay this bill, 119 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that, or what I'm gonna do now. 120 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: Before I even was fired, I had another opportunity to 121 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: go back to to what I was once doing and 122 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: be with friends that I have for life. That's amazing. 123 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: You touched on um changing culture and Golden State. You know, 124 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: Jack and I played on the We Believe team that 125 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: made a cute a cool run there, and then they 126 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: kind of went back to being bad again. And you 127 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: came along and completely changed the mindset, the culture, the focus. 128 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: And I've seen it coming up because I was with 129 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: I was with the Clippers, so it was almost kind 130 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,119 Speaker 1: of like, we're a little bit of a big brother 131 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: to you guys. But we would see every time we 132 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: played you guys like these young motherfucker's are gonna be 133 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: good man. They played hard, they lay together, they have fun, 134 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: they got some young dogs. And I remember when Draymond 135 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: because Chris was the top point guard at the time, 136 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: and I remember something Draymond said something like, I'm taking uh, 137 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: Steph Curry every day, you know, ten out of ten 138 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: to whatever. He said, like, Steph Curry is my God. 139 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: Will give a funk what nobody thinks. And I think 140 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: that that kind of attitude is something you kind of 141 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: put on that culture, and we give you a lot 142 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: of respect for getting that thing start. I know Steph 143 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: gives you a lot of respect for that as well too. 144 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: You win in this league with talent, and I was 145 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: fortunate enough to acquire some incredible talent and continue to 146 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: improve it with the great organization and great decisions. With 147 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: that being said, just like you said, we was your 148 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: little brothers. We were not ready yet to beat you guys. 149 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: To me, uh, it takes a process. And you know 150 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: we went three years only beating the Memphis Grizzlies two 151 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: or three times in three years because they were more physical, 152 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: they were more experienced, they were more polished, and they 153 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: were pros. So it's a process. And what we see 154 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: today you can point the finger back to to you know, 155 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: six seven years ago where they were in the jim grinding. 156 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: One thing about those guys, they were true professionals. Every 157 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: one of the guys I coached, they were they bought 158 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: in from day one. And the culture change. You can say, well, 159 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: my staff and I played a key role, but you 160 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: have to have willing basketball players that want to do 161 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: to work, work to tell off, compete and continue to 162 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: get better. And I was blessed in that area. No, 163 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: it was beautiful to see because like I said, you 164 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: you laid the foundation, the guys continue to work and 165 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: then you know, Steve Kerr comes in and I got 166 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: a chance to play on one of those teams. But 167 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: just to see the energy, the attitude and like you said, 168 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: those guys are leaders without you know, no juice aspect anyone. 169 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: Those guys can play without a coach. You know, that's 170 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: how on point they are, how how much they held 171 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: each other accountable, you know, how just they were about 172 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: it was. And it was really cool to see and 173 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: be a part of that and say and saying that 174 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: that's not taking anything away from Steve Kerr, who's outstanding individual, 175 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: right and and an incredible basketball mine and an incredible coach. 176 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: You can say I did a good job and Steve 177 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: Kerr did a great job both of those things and 178 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: can't go inside with one another. So I give a 179 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:03,599 Speaker 1: lot of credit the the one puny go ahead, No, 180 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: I say, that's the one person in the world like 181 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: people can say. You can say I can coach, and 182 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: somebody else said I can coach. Somebody else could say 183 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: I can't coach. The one person be on a shadow 184 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: of a doubt that can tell you whether somebody can 185 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: coach is the person that took the job after them 186 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: because they understand how what they had to teach what 187 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: they had. Then still well, when you say to the guy, okay, 188 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 1: let's run the floppy action and they don't have a clue. 189 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: You know, some guys that come from certain coming wrong 190 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: and the practice. You said, Okay, we're gonna blitz the 191 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: pick and roll, and they said, huh, they don't know 192 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: what they're doing. But when you got the right terminology 193 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: to work, the right work habits and and and you 194 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: can tell who was taught and who wasn't. So I 195 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: give I give Steve Kerr a lot of credit. He's 196 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: been nothing but fantastic to me. You don't know the 197 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: floppy offense you behind, you lost, yall, man, y'all start 198 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: to exactly we're seeing those guys though, Yeah, exactly, No, No, 199 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: I hope, I hope he didn't come across. It's take 200 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: another from cry. Think he's great what he's doing. But 201 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: I think I was just speaking more to the intelligence 202 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: of the players, like he said. It's just it was 203 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: such a fine two machine there, and Steve picked and 204 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: shows where he needed to, you know, put his influence 205 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: on his in massaged and let those guys go out 206 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: there and be great. And and they were one of 207 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: the one of the best best teams of all time, 208 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: you know, one of the historical run of dynasty, you 209 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it was fun to be 210 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: able to watch and see, like I said, seeing them 211 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: when I was a Clipper, kind of seeing them as 212 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: youngsters going through the you know, the hard knocks of 213 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: what the NBA is about, but seeing what they were 214 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,359 Speaker 1: about and knowing they were going to be good. Absolutely, 215 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: Let's take it back to the early eighties in New 216 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: York and what basketball is like and how much talent 217 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: came out of that area. Incredible talent, incredible, incredible talent. 218 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: I think about my senior year in high school seems 219 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: like yesterday, but his ninety three and I was fortunate 220 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: enough to win a state championship, But that that year 221 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: was I'm not saying that. Historians say it was the 222 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: greatest uh point guard class in the history of New 223 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: York City. Pearl Washington a great college high school player 224 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: and went to Syracuse University and impacted the Big East 225 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: from day one. Was a point guard in a senior class. 226 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: Guy by the name you may know him, Kenny Smith, 227 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: was at Archbishop Malloyd went on in North Carolina and 228 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: obviously in the league. The best player as a freshman 229 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: was a guy by the name of Kenny Hutchinson, who 230 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: was a six six point guard who started as a 231 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: freshman and won a city championship in the public school 232 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: and then went on to play at Arkansas. So four 233 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: of us, who was the four key guys as far 234 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: as point guards, uh in New York City, and right 235 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: behind us was Roder Strickland. And I mean we were 236 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: loaded with talented, talented players, but it was it was 237 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: a fantastic time. And we see each other, you know, 238 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: during the season, but more importantly in the summer playing 239 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: pick up ball and playing a U ball and all 240 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:58,359 Speaker 1: those things. Uh, just just the battles were legendary, absolutely legendary. 241 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: So you go to high school New York, go to St. John's, 242 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: and then you're drafted by the New York Knicks. Tell 243 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: me what that experience was like. Well, I'm the only 244 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: guy that can be claimed by both boroughs Brooklyn and Queens. 245 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: I was born in Brooklyn. It's crazy, but it's true. 246 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: I was born in Brooklyn, lived there the first seven 247 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: years of my life, moved to Queens and then living 248 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: in Queens, I went to high school an hour and 249 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: a half away when I went to when I went 250 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, living in Queens. So and then the opportunity 251 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: to play college basketball in New York City was fantastic. 252 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: I went and visited different schools, but the opportunity to 253 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: play for a guy who sat in front of my 254 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: mother and father and said, your son will leave this 255 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: university a better man or a man. And he kept 256 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,599 Speaker 1: his promise. And that's Hall of Fame coach Lukan a second, 257 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: And it's funny to me. You guys can relate to this. 258 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: It's funny to me. I say to my kids. I 259 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: got three boys and a girl. But I said to 260 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: my three boys who played, I want to still playing 261 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: high school on the other ones finished, but I talked 262 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: to them about value and the relationship with the high 263 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,599 Speaker 1: school coach. I got. One high school coach used to 264 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: coaching two of my sons. Does not speak to me, 265 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: does not speak to my sons. And I tell you, 266 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: I sit at the games and say nothing. To this day, 267 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: calling my nineties something year old college coach and calling 268 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: my seventy year old high school coach is at the 269 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: top of my list. We still call each other. I 270 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: don't call them by their first name, I don't call 271 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: them by their last name. I'm fifty five years old 272 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: and I still call him coach and love them to death. 273 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: Those are the type of relationships you're supposed to have 274 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: if you're truly impacting folks. Right, that's amazing. Let's shift 275 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: to the NBA right now, Um, it was really starting 276 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: to shape up. We try to explain to people like 277 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: Marches that time, you know, the head coach and the 278 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: former player, that you're really starting to see basketball. You're 279 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: starting to see chemistry coming together. You know, you're establishing 280 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: your lineups going into the playoffs. We're seeing some great basketball. 281 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: What were your thoughts on where we stand with Lebron 282 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: and the Acres leading the weston and Janice's team leading 283 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: the East. Well, it was an exciting time and you 284 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: guys know as former players, uh, this is when you 285 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: really begin to get up and you can truly see 286 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 1: Lebron James gearing up. We had a Friday Sunday that 287 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: we had a Friday Sunday game on ESPN and ABC 288 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: where the Lakers played the Bucks on Friday and then 289 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: Sunday they played the Clippers. And we we thought we 290 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: thought going into it, it was really gonna tell a lot, 291 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: not just about the teams, but also about Lebron James 292 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: and Quiet Leonard and and and and and the Greek freak. 293 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: Uh you could see and the Friday night Lebron had 294 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: a chip to him, He had an edge to him. 295 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: And what I love is from the jump as as 296 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: as former players, I'm looking, Okay, what's the matchup gonna be? 297 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: Are we gonna? Are we gonna dodge and duck? Are 298 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: we're gonna basically sent a message say I got him, 299 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: and from the opening tip Lebron, James got it Janice, 300 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: and then on Sunday, from the opening tip got it 301 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: quielin it and proved that he is still the best 302 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: player in the world. It was It was great to 303 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: see and I thought it was it was a time 304 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna turn the corner and began to get the 305 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: pecking on as far as playoffs concerned, and uh read 306 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: this thing up to see when playoffs did start, who 307 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: was gonna win it all? Oh? It was. It was 308 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: definitely an exciting time and I love to see he 309 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: like he really made the honest is night tough. Like 310 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: it was refreshing to see because I remember at the 311 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: very beginning of the season, I think Jack, me and 312 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: you were doing some ESPN stuff together and it was 313 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: so mad that he didn't go I got a guard 314 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: Kauai like the first game of the season whatever it was, 315 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is not this is this is 316 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: this is a marathon. This is a sprint. He knows 317 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: when it's gonna be time to turn up and really 318 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: lock in. And you've always seen him turn his offensive 319 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: game up at this point of the season. But to 320 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: see him, you know, dig down and turn up on 321 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: that defensive end, you know, I remember a d at 322 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: the begin of the season said, you know he wants 323 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: he and Lebron to be on the All defensive team. 324 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: Now over the stretch of the season, that maybe a lot, 325 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: but I love to see he could still definitely lock 326 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: up in one of the best players in the world 327 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: in your honest that that made me. That made that 328 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: made me feel good to see that too. Man. You 329 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: always see Yanna just back people down and put him 330 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,239 Speaker 1: in the basket. He could not back down. And and 331 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: and just to see like like like like Mark said, 332 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: just to see Broun take that challenge and back to 333 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: back nights, I think that's big. And that was that 334 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: was scary for the league. That was real scary and 335 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: what it really inspires your team because we found no question. 336 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: If you put a superstar on my team and as 337 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: a superstar at the same position on the other team, 338 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you don't want to match up. 339 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: We might not say nothing, but we're sitting there same 340 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: man's no this dude don't want He don't he don't 341 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: want that. Yeah, don't he don't want. But if he 342 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: took the challenge, and basically you could tell you can 343 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: see the chip go on the shoulder everybody else in 344 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: purple and gold because their leader took the challenge. Man, 345 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: I got the man. Come on, man, that's how Kobe 346 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: was to love it. I love seeing it. I was 347 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: excited to see, you know, because everyone's talking. I like 348 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: the Bucks, and I like the Easts, some teams in 349 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: the East, But I honestly think it's gonna be the 350 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: champion is going to come out of l A, you 351 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's to me, it's gonna 352 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: be a beautiful thing if it happens, either the Clippers 353 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: get their first one or Lebron gets this one, uh 354 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, sment and and and doing it in Kobe's honor. 355 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: So I think it's excited and I really hope we 356 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: get a chance to play out this season. Well, there's 357 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: a lot of fun and there's great basketball being played, 358 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: so I look forward to it. We're getting back to normal, 359 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: right So what are your thoughts about As Jack and 360 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: I spoke about it yesterday, I think some people say 361 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: let's just go right to the playoffs. We knew as 362 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: former players we need to restart our engines. We need 363 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: at least seven to ten games to really get back going, 364 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, Bill, pick up that rhythm, pick up that 365 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: team chemistry. And then and then going into the playoffs, 366 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts one on that? And then should 367 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: we still try to be going seven games series? Should 368 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: we shorten them three out of five in the final 369 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: seven games? With your thoughts on all that, I'm so 370 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: nicey justested yesterday in the interview, I was doing a 371 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: single game elimination, which is absurd to me, That makes 372 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: no sense. And then I think it's important again, as 373 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: former players and as a former coach, it's important that 374 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: we don't go right back to playing basketball, because I 375 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: don't care what these players are doing around the world 376 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: right now. Nothing, Nothing is the same as getting in 377 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: the gym playing five on five. Nothing you do. They 378 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: can think they can be on all those machines all 379 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: day long, is nothing like getting in the gym. So 380 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna need not just those seven or ten games, 381 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: but we're gonna need seven or ten days of practicing 382 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: and getting in the gym, because guys aren't gonna be 383 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: in rhythm, and you're putting guys at risk of also 384 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: picking up injuries. But I like the idea of shortening 385 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: the earlier series, going back to the best out of 386 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: five or something like that, to make sure that we 387 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: were able to get all these series in. But I 388 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: like the idea of playing real basketball and and and 389 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: and having the playoffs play out once we get back 390 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: to it. All right, we won't keep you too long, 391 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: Like I said, we want to have you in studio 392 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: and really just get down to business. But last thing 393 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: we'll leave you with is the state of the Knicks. Um. 394 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: You know, someone being from there and knowing how much 395 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: the fans love the team, appreciate the team, and kind 396 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: of just the rut they're stuck in. What would be 397 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: your suggestion or our thoughts or any kind of ideas 398 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: you you can think of to help get that team 399 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: over the hump, Because I think basketball is better when 400 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: all of our major cities are relevant in the game, 401 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: especially the Knicks. Man especially, we all like planning to guard. 402 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: And that's all I pay one. I pay the places 403 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: to play. When the Knicks not going right, it kind 404 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: of takes a little at the league. Man. It's great 405 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: for basketball when the Knicks are good, There's no question 406 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: about that. When they're competing and relevant any major city, 407 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: but but especially in New York. I think they did 408 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: the right thing and and and change, making a change. 409 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: You get a guy like Leon Rose who's a basketball life, 410 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. It's about getting uh and making 411 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: the profit decisions by acquiring talent and assets. And I 412 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: think they're headed in the right direction. Now they have 413 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: to make continue to make the proper decisions. But there's 414 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: no question about it. Basketball is at its best when 415 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: the Knicks are relevant, and it's good for business overall. Absolutely. 416 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: Last question, who who do you who do you see 417 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: in the finals? See hoping that everything plays out him 418 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: and we're gonna get back to basketball. You know, about 419 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: about a month ago, Jeff Van Gundy said to me 420 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: nobody in the East could beat the Bucks, And then 421 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: about two weeks after that he apologized and said he 422 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: was wrong that they can be beaten. I think the 423 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: Celtics are talented and deep enough to beat him. Uh. 424 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: I think the Bucks are clearly the favorite in the East. 425 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: But I think you you can't underestimate what Rudy tom 426 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: Jonovis once said, the heart of a champion in the 427 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: Toronto Raptors. There's a reason why they continue to get 428 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: it done even without Quiet Lennon. That's a dangerous basketball team. 429 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: So the East will be be very exciting and the West. 430 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: To me, I think it's it's about matchups. I think 431 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: that the Lakers and the Clippers are clearly the favorites. 432 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: I don't I don't like the fact that the Houston 433 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: Rockets don't have a big man and that they don't 434 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: uh not a defensive jaggernaut juggernaut, But I do think 435 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: that they can beat other teams, not name the Clippers. 436 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: The Clippers can impose their will against them defensively and 437 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: match up against them where they put a stop to it. 438 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: Somebody else might think, what, we can outscore them, and 439 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: that's when the Houston Rockets are dangerous. So I think 440 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: it's gonna be exciting, But ultimately I think it comes 441 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: down to the Lakers and Clippers. The way that it 442 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: was ending a couple of weeks ago, the Lakers were 443 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: the better basketball team. But I like the Clippers having 444 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: three guys that they can give the ball to and 445 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: trust that those guys make a play. Whether it's Kwie 446 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: let It, Paul George or Lou Williams, they can get 447 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: you a basket or get you a good look. If 448 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: as the Lakers defensively, I can say, okay, Anthony Davids shooter, 449 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 1: turnaround jump shot over me, it would contested hand all. 450 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 1: Lebron James shoot a contested three. I don't know if 451 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: they have, uh, overall, more guys than than one, and 452 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: Lebron James that can think, get a hoop and make 453 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: a play on his terms. So that would be the concern. 454 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: I said, like the beginning season, excuse me, man I 455 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: said the same thing in the beginning the season about 456 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: about Toronto. I felt like without Kawai still had enough experience, 457 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: championship experience to get out the East and now. And 458 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: I even said I even had Miami high because I 459 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: knew with Jimmy, I knew Jimmy would go there and 460 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: get this team to playing hard, playing with some fireplan, 461 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: with some passion, and it's starting to work. But I didn't. 462 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't confident in Milwaukee this year. I mean, they're 463 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: having a great regular season, but I wasn't confident in 464 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: them going down the stretch. I don't think they could 465 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: put it off. And I already told him Lebron bringing 466 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: the championship on. I really like, I really like to me, 467 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: it's just disappointed. You think year after year with all 468 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: the talent Philly has that you know it's time that 469 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: that process paid off. You know, they were my early 470 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: pre my early season picks. Who are they? Know, matt Man, 471 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: who are they? What are what are they? What is 472 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: the identity? They don't have an identity. They don't have 473 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: a true leader, whether that's Ben simm Is not being 474 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: vocal enough or Joe and b not really embracing because 475 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: sometimes we all know the best players not necessarily always 476 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: the leader, and just how it is, and you can't 477 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: force it. It is what it is, you know what 478 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: I mean? So if it just I don't know what 479 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 1: their identity is to answer your question, but I really 480 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: like Boston in the way they're playing, in their chemistry 481 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: with Kimba, and they have two young stars that, you know, 482 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: the the leaps that they didn't get a chance to 483 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: take with Kyrie, they've taken this year again and they've 484 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: shown their progress. And you've got two guys that can 485 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: get you twenty five every night easily, but sometimes you know, 486 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: thirty thirty five, you know what I mean. So I 487 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: really like Boston and what they're doing. And then I 488 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: love Marcus Smart, ultimate glue guy. Um So it's gonna 489 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: be interesting East. And you know, like I said, scary 490 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: Houston could beat anybody. They just can. But can they 491 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: consistent in a seven game series? Is it gonna work 492 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: with the size? And we're small ball guys. We love 493 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: small ball. We just also know how hard it is 494 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: the further you get in the playoffs, you know. So 495 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun, and I hope we get a 496 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: chance to see it, man, I hope we get a 497 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: chance to see it. Oh, you make a good point 498 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: about Philadelphia. It is a shame that we don't mention 499 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: them right away, because talent wise, they're good enough not 500 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: just to win the East, but they can maxiate anybody 501 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: and win it. But something's not clicking with them. Hopefully 502 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: they get it right because they have the talent. You 503 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: don't want the worst thing to do as as players 504 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: is to look back years later and say what you 505 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: could have done? Oh yeah, sir, Yeah sir, that's what 506 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: That's what we're doing now. Man, that's what we're doing now. 507 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: But man, hey, thank you for your time. Mark. We appreciate. 508 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: We pray for you and your family's safety. And like 509 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: I said, once all this clears up, we got to 510 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: get you in studio. Man, I look forward to before 511 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: before we get our o G. Remember the conversation we 512 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: had was at our want to put breakfast spot. I 513 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: told you, if you ever get a coaching job, which 514 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: I think is gonna happen, and you need your boy 515 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: to come and straighten some guys out, they save me 516 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: a spot on that roster. I know. That's the truth 517 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 1: I got both of y'all. Man, I appreciate you say 518 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: roster coaching staff, Jack, you said roster, Yeah, coaches stad 519 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: let's get theack to the coaching staff is not taking 520 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: up no motherfucking roster spot. You're doing everything great. You're 521 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: off the charts. Love and appreciate You'll appreciate, thank you. 522 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: Spending some time with this man. God bless you and 523 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: your family. Man. Thank you. Hey that's a rap uh 524 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: special Quarantine edition with Mark Jackson, my brother Jack. Good work, 525 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: good work. Um this episode. 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