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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Broughness, Rob Phillips,
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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips. I'm joined as always by Mickey Spagnola. Brian
Speaker 1: brought us across the table from me. Bill Jones will
Speaker 1: be back tomorrow to wrap up the week as the
Speaker 1: Cowboys finish up their prep for those Miami Dolphins Sunday
Speaker 1: noon kickoff at AT and T Stadium. How are you, gents?
Speaker 1: I'm good. How are you doing well? Doing well? If
Speaker 1: you go back and listen to yesterday's show, there were
Speaker 1: some hints, there were some possibilities that Taco Charlton would
Speaker 1: not be on this roster at three pm on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: and that turned out to be the case to get
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn on the roster. And that's that's the top
Speaker 1: storyline today. We can start there, but there's other things
Speaker 1: we need to get into with this roster right now
Speaker 1: and maybe talk about some key matchups with the Dolphins
Speaker 1: as well. Over the next forty five minutes. We'll take
Speaker 1: your calls as well. Five to two nine seven. Briant
Speaker 1: is monitoring periscope. Sure well, thank you and good morning. Yea,
Speaker 1: so news comes down, Taco is no longer on this roster.
Speaker 1: Anything else come up that you guys got on why
Speaker 1: what the impact is for this team for this weekend
Speaker 1: beyond as well? Well, I think if you follow the
Speaker 1: logic that we were talking about yesterday, the fact that
Speaker 1: he had a guaranteed base salary, the fact that they
Speaker 1: had injuries on the defensive line and they needed all
Speaker 1: hands on deck, and the fact that he was a
Speaker 1: first round draft choice, the logic said, well, they're going
Speaker 1: to keep them. But their level of dissatisfaction with him
Speaker 1: was so high that it wiped out all the logic
Speaker 1: we pointed out of why you should keep them, and
Speaker 1: I think that spoke volumes about how he did not
Speaker 1: fit on this team, did not fit in the locker room,
Speaker 1: and most of all, didn't fit in that defensive line
Speaker 1: meeting room, to the point where they were like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're washing our hands of this. It's it's we've talked
Speaker 1: about it long enough, we spend enough energy trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out, make it work. It was time to
Speaker 1: take out the eraser and move on. Yeah, well said,
Speaker 1: I mean that's exactly. You know, everything that you feel
Speaker 1: like would be logical, you know, the injury, the money situation,
Speaker 1: all that just did not matter to them, you know.
Speaker 1: And I know there was a couple of days ago
Speaker 1: that I was like, ah, may I move on and
Speaker 1: move on? And then I'm like, no, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: need to think about this the logical way that what
Speaker 1: Mickey was talking about, you know. And I even asked
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett about that in the walk off, about the
Speaker 1: situation with Taco, the injury and all that, and he says, no,
Speaker 1: these are conversations you have. But we felt like this
Speaker 1: was the best thing for our organization moving forward. So
Speaker 1: coaches scouts everybody on board to move on and to
Speaker 1: eat you know, four and a half million dollars worth
Speaker 1: of money, and then turn around and say, Okay, he
Speaker 1: needs a fresh start. We need a fresh start, and
Speaker 1: we'll do with what we have. You know, Ry Hyder
Speaker 1: and and and Dorian's armstrong and all those guys that
Speaker 1: you know, Joe Jackson, you know, we're we feel good
Speaker 1: about them, and we're just going to push forward. So, uh,
Speaker 1: this says a lot about their decision. It says a
Speaker 1: lot about what they thought about the player, and and
Speaker 1: know it for them to move on the way they
Speaker 1: have is it's a it's a it's a big move.
Speaker 1: It's a bold move because there's a lot of things
Speaker 1: here that says you need to keep this guy to
Speaker 1: try and make it work. And if you just look
Speaker 1: at the eye test, you know there were things that
Speaker 1: were some some positivity, you know when you watch some
Speaker 1: practices and when you watch the games. But to them
Speaker 1: that really didn't matter. Maybe it mattered to us, but
Speaker 1: to them that didn't matter. And they're the ones ultimately
Speaker 1: that have to play the games. They have to find
Speaker 1: a way to win these games in order to keep
Speaker 1: their positions and their jobs and stuff. So they're always
Speaker 1: going to do what they feel like it's the best
Speaker 1: in their mind, not what Brian brought us thinks, but
Speaker 1: what's the best in their in their mind. And so
Speaker 1: you know, I applaud them because I'm one of these
Speaker 1: guys that believes that if you don't evaluate your team correctly,
Speaker 1: you'll never be good. Your team will never be good
Speaker 1: if you if you mis evaluate your team. Trust me,
Speaker 1: I've been on teams where we mis evaluated our personnel
Speaker 1: and stuck with guys way too long and it doesn't work.
Speaker 1: You get worse that way. And they felt like with
Speaker 1: Tacco that they can move on and they would all
Speaker 1: be better for it. And again that's on them, and
Speaker 1: you know, hey, their decisions have been pretty spot on
Speaker 1: about players. And you know, if you want to say
Speaker 1: they keep burning through first round picks, that's not the
Speaker 1: case at all. Disorganization. That's what made the move so
Speaker 1: surprising because of how well they have drafted for several
Speaker 1: years with Will McClay running that draft room. Of course,
Speaker 1: Steven Jones and Jerry Jones involved in that as well. Mickels,
Speaker 1: I think you had it in your mix shots yesterday.
Speaker 1: The last time this happened before a first round pick
Speaker 1: with this team, this end of his deal. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this early. At least not get into your fourth year
Speaker 1: and not because of injury. You have to go back
Speaker 1: to Rod Hill in nineteen eighty two, he was a
Speaker 1: first round draft choice. He played two years for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and they moved on, you know, And I think
Speaker 1: this is one of those things where you've heard this before.
Speaker 1: You don't want to make two mistakes. The first mistake is, Okay,
Speaker 1: I drafted this guy. The second mistake is I'm going
Speaker 1: to write it as far as I can write it.
Speaker 1: People will do that organization, They won't cut, they won't
Speaker 1: they won't admit the mistake. And then you make a
Speaker 1: second mistake. And and I think, you know some of this.
Speaker 1: I just think it had to do with you have
Speaker 1: a sulking player with a with it, paired with a
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, defensive line coach who's all about heart and efforts,
Speaker 1: being all in. Yeah, and the last thing and if
Speaker 1: he can't get through to a guy who's sulking, and
Speaker 1: you got this feeling he was sulking. And you know,
Speaker 1: this wasn't a knee jerk reaction. Let's let's remember the
Speaker 1: end of last year. He was inactive in four games
Speaker 1: on the second half of the season on a team
Speaker 1: that was playing well. So there had to be a
Speaker 1: reason for that too. And it wasn't like they had
Speaker 1: all this depth at you know, defensive end. So again,
Speaker 1: this was a compilation of a lot of things going on,
Speaker 1: and they just decided, okay, time to move on. And
Speaker 1: as Jason said, and you know, I don't hate him.
Speaker 1: Give him a chance to go somewhere else and maybe
Speaker 1: he can jumpstart his career. Yeah, Will McClay will wear
Speaker 1: this one. You know, if you want to give Will
Speaker 1: McClay credit for what they've done and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and Will McClay will wear this one. You know, most
Speaker 1: really good personnel guys do. These are the ones that
Speaker 1: hurt though. You know, when you felt like that, hey,
Speaker 1: we went through this process. We felt like we did
Speaker 1: the right thing. But now you go back and evaluate, Okay,
Speaker 1: what were we thinking about this particular player. What did
Speaker 1: we see in this particular player. Did we feel like
Speaker 1: that we could make him tougher? Was he not tough
Speaker 1: when he came in? You know, all these things kind
Speaker 1: of now play in your mind. Not to let it
Speaker 1: happen again. But Will McClay will wear this one, and
Speaker 1: you know what, he won't. He won't back down from it.
Speaker 1: And I respect organizations that will wear their mistakes. You
Speaker 1: just can't make a lot of them because again, you'll
Speaker 1: be doing something else for a living. They did it
Speaker 1: with the wide receiver rotation mid season last year wasn't
Speaker 1: We're not talking about draft picks, but just their personnel
Speaker 1: that they went with for half of last year. They
Speaker 1: just committee was not good. They decided the same working yeah,
Speaker 1: and they made a change. M Rod Marinelli. It's always
Speaker 1: the first thing he always says, do you love football
Speaker 1: when he's evaluating a player. I think Taco loves football.
Speaker 1: I do. I think he took the social media in
Speaker 1: part because he wanted out. He wanted to play somewhere
Speaker 1: he's getting He's gonna get his opportunity. Brian mentioned four
Speaker 1: point five million dollars and dead money over the next
Speaker 1: two years. Mick mentioned, I think it's one point three
Speaker 1: eight million over two years in base salary that they've got.
Speaker 1: You know, it's one point three it for this year
Speaker 1: this year if somebody doesn't claimed right, yes, and then
Speaker 1: four hundred and eighty thousand more next year is guaranteed.
Speaker 1: And then you know, the pro rated signing bone is
Speaker 1: still counts. So you don't you don't get away from
Speaker 1: that either. One more thing on Taco. Nick Eatman spoke
Speaker 1: to Stephen Jones yesterday about the move. He said, quote,
Speaker 1: sometimes the chemistry doesn't work with a player. With Rod,
Speaker 1: he has certain standards that he looks for in a player.
Speaker 1: I don't. I just don't think they ever saw eye
Speaker 1: to eye in terms of what that standard should be.
Speaker 1: So that's in line with what you guys are saying,
Speaker 1: and this does fall in line with I think, Brian,
Speaker 1: you hinted at it for this week going forward, and
Speaker 1: maybe you know for beyond this week. They've got some
Speaker 1: injuries on the defensive line and it's looking like it's
Speaker 1: not looking great for week three for a couple of
Speaker 1: these guys as they get back to practice today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and one last thing on Taco. So it was kind
Speaker 1: of pointed out to me that that pick came out
Speaker 1: of thin air. And so when I went back and
Speaker 1: looked at the draft order, and I was wondering because
Speaker 1: they were in the market for a cornerback and the
Speaker 1: pick before them was should Dave how do I say
Speaker 1: it White or Davious White from LSU right with the Buffalo,
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering that they have their heart set on that.
Speaker 1: And then it was like, Okay, we got to do
Speaker 1: a U turn here. And sometimes when you get stuck
Speaker 1: on something that you think is coming and you don't
Speaker 1: get it, then it's like, oh, what the hell do
Speaker 1: we do? Same draft? Though, they got Cheeto and Lewis,
Speaker 1: and I'm right about that, but I'm thinking if you
Speaker 1: would have, yeah, you wouldn't have taken Cheeto in the
Speaker 1: second if you took White in the first. Right. I
Speaker 1: think they were in a situation though, too, Mickey, where
Speaker 1: they were looking at this and they thought that they
Speaker 1: could grab Cheeto and they could grab and get both,
Speaker 1: get both, and they said they forced the issue on
Speaker 1: the defensive end. Right. If you remember, Tack McKinley went
Speaker 1: to Atlanta a pick before them as well, and that
Speaker 1: was a guy that they brought in on a thirty
Speaker 1: visit and stuff like that. So they felt like, I
Speaker 1: believe if my history is correct, and I've played a
Speaker 1: couple of games without a helmet, so some times my
Speaker 1: memory goes. But that was one of those deals where
Speaker 1: they felt like that they could stretch the corner draft,
Speaker 1: but not stretch the defensive end draft. And you know
Speaker 1: when they were picking, when they were picking two, it
Speaker 1: likely was a second round player on their board. I
Speaker 1: know he was drafted in the first round, but much
Speaker 1: like with Travis Frederick. He was a second round player
Speaker 1: on their board, so you know there were players ahead
Speaker 1: of him, clearly, but they they they said, okay, it's
Speaker 1: gonna come down to McKinley or Taco, and they lost
Speaker 1: the one guy that said, okay, let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: hit this defensive end here and then we could we
Speaker 1: could rally and get the corners maybe later in the
Speaker 1: draft because we felt like the position stretched a little
Speaker 1: bit better. And if I remember correctly, and I haven't
Speaker 1: been hit in the head without a helmet. Yeah, Randall
Speaker 1: Gregory is in no man's land at that time, yes, right, yes,
Speaker 1: being missed the whole twenty seventeen seasons, right, and then
Speaker 1: got reinstated at the last moment in twenty eighteen, so
Speaker 1: defensive end had beencome upon. It's so unfortunately for him
Speaker 1: they're drafting twenty eighth. Yeah. Some of the biggest issues
Speaker 1: you have is when you try and force the issue.
Speaker 1: And we've we had those days happen in the early Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've had those days happened many a time in the
Speaker 1: early two thousands. I know working with the Dave Campbell
Speaker 1: administration that we we tried to force players and it's
Speaker 1: not necessary it's not the best way to go. It's you.
Speaker 1: You trust your board, you evaluate your board. I'll always
Speaker 1: remember Kendrell Bell, who we had a linebacker the first
Speaker 1: round on our board from Georgia. But you know, we
Speaker 1: get in the second round. He's still on the board,
Speaker 1: but we take Quincy Carter. You know, that was one
Speaker 1: of those things where you had a first round guy
Speaker 1: on your board, just go ahead and take him and
Speaker 1: find a way to kind of go get your quarterback
Speaker 1: if you have to. But that's totally water under the
Speaker 1: bridge right now. Will McClay this group, you know, you
Speaker 1: have to have faith in him that they'll go back.
Speaker 1: They'll look at that, they'll evaluate what happened in that draft,
Speaker 1: and then it will remind him and said, Okay, we
Speaker 1: tried to do this before. Stephen Jones is X doing
Speaker 1: this is making everybody in that room accountable for the
Speaker 1: picks that are made. And so he'll ask the right questions.
Speaker 1: Will McClay will have answers for him, and you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully they won't have the situation with what happened with
Speaker 1: Taco and and go down that road again and they'll
Speaker 1: continue to draft well like they have all right, So
Speaker 1: what I was loosing to earlier. Is that? Yeah, we
Speaker 1: went around it. He come out injury. He could have
Speaker 1: helped them. Yeah, numbers wise because of Crawford in this
Speaker 1: football game, sure, and Antoine Woods as well. What, Mick,
Speaker 1: what's the status of some of these guys on defense? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think Crawford's playing. No, he's not,
Speaker 1: and just kind of testing the temperature of Antoine Woods.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to make it back in
Speaker 1: time either. So you're gonna see Tristan Hill. Yep, We're
Speaker 1: going to find out what Christian Covington is. But the
Speaker 1: worst part with the Crawford thing is you're losing two spots, right,
Speaker 1: You're losing your starting defensive end and you're losing your
Speaker 1: defensive tackle slide inside on nickel situations. So you're gonna
Speaker 1: need two guys to replace one, and that's never good
Speaker 1: when you're down to forty six three maybe three guys
Speaker 1: to replace one. Yeah, just going back to Crawford, he
Speaker 1: can do both. Yeah, tackle positions. I asked asked about Crawford,
Speaker 1: and I said, is this a setback of what he
Speaker 1: had what they worked on all training camp? And nanswer
Speaker 1: was No, it's a different issue. It's nothing but overuse
Speaker 1: of an issue with both his hips. He had it
Speaker 1: last year about mid season. They calling it psitis is
Speaker 1: what they're calling it. So he's dealing with a little
Speaker 1: bit of that right now. So to Mickey's point, though,
Speaker 1: at Rob's point, yeah, you're talking about Tristan Hill playing
Speaker 1: the under tackle. That means maybe maliek Collins is going
Speaker 1: to have to kick over and play a little one
Speaker 1: because if they rushed the passer, they're not going to
Speaker 1: have Christian Covington in there all the time. He might
Speaker 1: get in there a little bit. So Quinn was taking
Speaker 1: the majority of the reps with the first team yesterday
Speaker 1: talking to some folks. So the fact that he had
Speaker 1: an offseason, got some training camp in is a little
Speaker 1: bit different of a sit situation than what what what
Speaker 1: Crawford and what Lawrence had. So he's out there with
Speaker 1: the ones and they're gonna have to find a way
Speaker 1: to rotate that right defensive end over there to give
Speaker 1: him the opportunity to not play the whole entire game.
Speaker 1: But they do have some players over like to say Armstrong, Hider,
Speaker 1: guys like that, or but there we're gonna see Hyder
Speaker 1: and and and those guys get a lot of work
Speaker 1: inside as well as we go through this game. It
Speaker 1: did sound like Robert Quinn had a good practice yesterday,
Speaker 1: and Brian alluded to the fact I think he was
Speaker 1: on the field for almost a couple of weeks in
Speaker 1: camp before he did break the bone in his left
Speaker 1: We were going to Hawaii, weren't. We were getting to
Speaker 1: his the week before we left for the Hawaii trip,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we got he broke his hand like on
Speaker 1: a Wednesday Thursday practice our bone in the hand and
Speaker 1: then we were all kind of and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden he started the suspension stuff started coming down
Speaker 1: and have all that. Yeah, I don't think he played
Speaker 1: in the opener though I think it was for the opener. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he's gone through all the offseason. He set
Speaker 1: his hand feels all right. Yeah, he did have a
Speaker 1: brace on it, I believe in practice yesterday and he's
Speaker 1: hoping to not play with it. But it sounds like
Speaker 1: he's in good shape and he's ready to go. He
Speaker 1: was training I think nearby offside. Obviously, Michael Johnson performance
Speaker 1: a good spot Olympian and he had his helmet and
Speaker 1: but still it's not the same. He has not done
Speaker 1: anything in a month on a football field, and I'm
Speaker 1: told that they're going to kind of treat him the
Speaker 1: way they treated Lawrence in that first game. And Lawrence
Speaker 1: you thirty two snaps, I think you said yesterday, and
Speaker 1: so that's half the game. Yea. So those other guys
Speaker 1: that you know, Brian mentioned, which will take away from
Speaker 1: how much they can possibly maybe possibly spell Lawrence right,
Speaker 1: because you know, you don't want to go too many
Speaker 1: snaps with Lawrence off the field and Quinn off the
Speaker 1: field and you're out there with it, and they did
Speaker 1: it in this last game, you know, Armstrong one side,
Speaker 1: Carrie Hyder or the other side. But I don't know
Speaker 1: how many snaps you want to do that. Ye alright,
Speaker 1: let's take our first. You got with something else, No,
Speaker 1: I just gonna if we could get back to it.
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Speaker 1: Mortgage studio, talking a lot of taco, a lot of
Speaker 1: taco in the first Hungry segment, Yes, soda, I can't
Speaker 1: eat tacos. You can't. I can't eat tacos. And I'm
Speaker 1: so thank you appreciate that. How much you down since
Speaker 1: you started forty pounds? Look at that. Appreciate that. Ye,
Speaker 1: no taco, no tacos. I missed Mickey's pizza. That's right,
Speaker 1: Mickey keeps talk at pizza and tali deef sandwich. Some
Speaker 1: steps the big start talking lasagna and pasta too, some carbs,
Speaker 1: that's right. Anything we're doing in life, you got to
Speaker 1: sacrifice a little a little bit. Wait to go, Brian,
Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate that. All right, Do you guys want
Speaker 1: to grab some phone calls? Absolutely, let's start with Brian
Speaker 1: and Jacksonville. You're up first today on Talking Cowboys. Hey,
Speaker 1: good morning guys, Good morning morning. Hey, So it looked
Speaker 1: like we call a little bit of a break with
Speaker 1: some of these injuries popping up. The NFL Gouds have
Speaker 1: kind of smiled on us. We've got Miami on the schedule.
Speaker 1: This week and a faint team that's gonna play without
Speaker 1: Drew Brees in the week after that. Of these injuries
Speaker 1: with Antoine Woods and Xavier and Gallup and Crawford, it
Speaker 1: sounds like, from what I keep hearing in all the coverage,
Speaker 1: they're talking two, three, four weeks for all of them.
Speaker 1: Can you guys give me an idea of are you
Speaker 1: at all concerned that any of these are going to
Speaker 1: nag and stretch on beyond that? And are you cancerned
Speaker 1: about the Green Bay game with the sudden pylon of
Speaker 1: injuries that we've had. And I'll hang up and listen.
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Thanks Brian Um Crawford, that's the one
Speaker 1: I'm concerned About'm concerned about the Dolphins game. Oh I
Speaker 1: am too, But I'm concerned about Crawford. If you ask
Speaker 1: about of all those Mickey, if you follow Mickey on Twitter,
Speaker 1: which you should absolutely do, yeah, he told you. You know,
Speaker 1: national reports were talking about four to six weeks for
Speaker 1: Woods being Xavier Woods. He was out on the cords
Speaker 1: the other day, you know, and I and I reached
Speaker 1: out to some of the medical staff and said, well,
Speaker 1: I tell you what, kids moving around pretty good. Our
Speaker 1: race says, Yeah, I guess I don't know where to
Speaker 1: get this four to six stuff. Look, we saw him,
Speaker 1: Mickey and I didn't even the locker room coming walking
Speaker 1: to lunch. He was walking faster than us. He looked
Speaker 1: he might be lining much better than he might be walking.
Speaker 1: He might be lining up next week against the Saints.
Speaker 1: So he was walking better than Brob. Yeah. So you know,
Speaker 1: and you talk about you talk about Joe, you talk
Speaker 1: about the you know, the wide receiver gallup that's two
Speaker 1: to four, that's two to four, but hearing more on
Speaker 1: the two side than the fore side on that. The
Speaker 1: one again, if you talk about something that could be
Speaker 1: just nagging is Crawford. Crawford, He's we talked about the versities.
Speaker 1: It's in the hip. It's something he's probably gonna have
Speaker 1: to play through. They played through it last year and
Speaker 1: then so that would be the one that to me,
Speaker 1: he's probably not going to practice on a weekly basis.
Speaker 1: They're going to have to figure out how to manage
Speaker 1: him and then get him to the game and then
Speaker 1: hope that some of these young guys, So hope that
Speaker 1: Hider or Armstrong or these guys show up Quinn and
Speaker 1: show up and kind of kill inside hill. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: give him a little break to where he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to play fifty four snaps or fifty snaps or forty
Speaker 1: eight snaps. That's that's your hope, right, that's the concern
Speaker 1: for me. Everybody else I think can be fine. I
Speaker 1: worry about an injury like that just being long term
Speaker 1: for him and for versites. It's not like you can
Speaker 1: do a surgery now to solve that. It hurts, and
Speaker 1: so yeah, um, yeah, that's something they're gonna have to monitor.
Speaker 1: I think he's a tough dude though, he really he'll
Speaker 1: try to. Yeah, he'll get it out. Yeah. And I
Speaker 1: think from the woods, Um, you know, I think Antoine
Speaker 1: might be a little worse than Xavier from what I've seen, right,
Speaker 1: but not as bad as you know, normally when you
Speaker 1: sprain your MCL it's two to four. I think he's
Speaker 1: on the shorter end of that because he's moving well.
Speaker 1: They've given him the stem treatment and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and uh, and he's kind of a tough guy too.
Speaker 1: Remember absolutely he tore his rotator cuff in that playoff
Speaker 1: game against the Rams in the first quarter and he
Speaker 1: played through the game. So uh, he told he told
Speaker 1: us yesterday it's feeling a little better. Yeah, but but
Speaker 1: he's getting you know, a lot of treatment on it.
Speaker 1: You would happen and Tavon, you just it's hard to
Speaker 1: just figure out him. I mean it's like now he's
Speaker 1: still in concussion protocol. But it wasn't a concussion that
Speaker 1: showed up during the game or right after the game.
Speaker 1: You know, it was two days later he comes in
Speaker 1: and I ain't feeling right that one. That one's kind
Speaker 1: of concerning only because you know, with with maybe Randall
Speaker 1: Cobb playing more snaps, even if they're not in three wide, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he may not be returning punts. And now
Speaker 1: you've got Cedric Wilson that's like almost a starter. Would
Speaker 1: they need to make another roster move like last week?
Speaker 1: It can because you got without Tavon if he doesn't
Speaker 1: play this week, and Jason Garrett said he's improving, But
Speaker 1: who you're gonna bring up, Well, you have another receiver
Speaker 1: all the practice squad. I'm just asking if it's a possibility.
Speaker 1: I don't think you want to keep making moves and
Speaker 1: having to deplete your depth elsewhere, right, But the problem
Speaker 1: they're gonna guys, I personally feel like they're gonna get
Speaker 1: into all personnel this game. If you go back and
Speaker 1: watch them the way that the Ravens and the Patriots
Speaker 1: handled Miami, they had a hard time. The safeties had
Speaker 1: a hard time for the Dolphins covering tight ends. I
Speaker 1: think the I think the Ravens have got two really
Speaker 1: good tight ends, and you know, and of course the
Speaker 1: the New England doesn't have Gruntkowski anymore, but they're capable
Speaker 1: the way they were throwing the ball, you know. But
Speaker 1: I could see them getting in more eleven personnel or
Speaker 1: actually be twelve personnel, and then finding a way to
Speaker 1: use if they get into eleven Devin Smith, Cobb and
Speaker 1: Cooper and but they could also use Pollard. They could
Speaker 1: use old Wally if they have to on some some
Speaker 1: stuff to get him as like a wing and h
Speaker 1: and let him be involved. But I would keep an
Speaker 1: eye on how much twelve personnel they play in this
Speaker 1: game and try and take advantage of the safety play
Speaker 1: for the Dolphins or the lack of the safety play
Speaker 1: now with no Mika Fitzpatrick in there as well, and
Speaker 1: you can throw the ball to Zeke a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Absolutely haven't really exposed that trying to cut down on
Speaker 1: how many touches he has, but I'm sure he's full
Speaker 1: go now, So there's ways to work around it. But
Speaker 1: when you're when you're counting, you know the starters they
Speaker 1: will miss this game. Yeah, and if I count Tavan
Speaker 1: as a punt returner, it's like four and a half
Speaker 1: starters are out of this got hard to potentially figure
Speaker 1: out these inactives to see this. This is where Mickey
Speaker 1: makes a good point for me because I feel like
Speaker 1: that I just listed the guys that are backups playing
Speaker 1: this game. Devin Smith, Cedric Wilson, Kerrie Hyder, Tristan Hill,
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn. I think that Thompson, Yeah, exactly, Christian Covington,
Speaker 1: Darien Thompson, Dorrit's Armstrong. That's a great equalizer, right that
Speaker 1: all those guys I named are gonna have to play
Speaker 1: prominent roles in what you're doing in this football game.
Speaker 1: So to me, that's where this game if you want
Speaker 1: to talk about an equalizer. Are the Cowboys a better
Speaker 1: team than the Dolphins? Absolutely they are. But but if
Speaker 1: you're the if you're the Cowboys, you need Smith, Wilson, Hyder, Hill, Quinn, Covington,
Speaker 1: Thompson and Armstrong to play really well in this game.
Speaker 1: You do you need them to, you know, you need
Speaker 1: them to step up. You're gonna need even you know
Speaker 1: we talked about uh, you know the tight end plants
Speaker 1: that the backup tight ends. They're gonna have to play
Speaker 1: well in this game for the Cowboys to uh to
Speaker 1: I'm not saying and I say have a chance because
Speaker 1: I think they could beat the Dolphins. But I think
Speaker 1: this game, with all the backups that are having to play,
Speaker 1: might be a little bit closer than people think. Scrab
Speaker 1: another phone call real quick before we get to our
Speaker 1: second break, Nebbi our buddy and Silver Springs, Maryland. You're
Speaker 1: up next on Talking Cowboys. Hi, guys, um uh who's
Speaker 1: gonna fill in for Xavier Woods while he's recovering from
Speaker 1: his high ankle sprain? And I just wanted to say
Speaker 1: that we've got to put away the Miami Dolphins early
Speaker 1: because the longer theyang around, the more dangerous they are
Speaker 1: going to be. U take care, Thanks for being paid
Speaker 1: with me, and have a great week. Thanks that well said.
Speaker 1: I think you guys mentioned Darry and Thompson. Darreon Thompson.
Speaker 1: The thing they liked the most about him, and Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett spoke to this a little bit this morning. Is
Speaker 1: he's kind of the quarter He can be the quarterback
Speaker 1: back there. He can get guys lined up. He knows
Speaker 1: how to diagnose things. As the free safety. They need
Speaker 1: him to make plays though too. Yeah, I mean, Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods goes out there and makes place, makes physical play.
Speaker 1: So Thompson is going to play a lot of single
Speaker 1: high likely and then you know, and you're gonna get
Speaker 1: Jeff heat down low trying to do some things. Well
Speaker 1: there you know. Again, does does that mean that Donovan Wilson,
Speaker 1: who was healthy, he got some reps with the twos yesterday? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know, does he get an opportunity before say, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, but before Cabon Frasier, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: and that's we saw a lot of good things from
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson playing coverage and being around the football. But
Speaker 1: you know, is this an opportunity for him to show
Speaker 1: the coach is much like what Devin Smith did last week,
Speaker 1: show the offensive coaches that he's a capable replacement. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, if he has to go in these games,
Speaker 1: which he will this week, Donovan Wilson will be a
Speaker 1: full time special teams player, because if Darien Thompson, who's
Speaker 1: your special teams players, now got to, you know, play
Speaker 1: sixty snaps on on defense, he can't play all the
Speaker 1: special teams. So I would expect Wilson to be active
Speaker 1: and and taking part in all those special teams. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe he gets a snap or two. But you know,
Speaker 1: you're always hesitant the first time you play a rookie
Speaker 1: to put him in such a prominent spot, you know,
Speaker 1: And I keep hearing this, you know, Oh, you know,
Speaker 1: if somebody's eighty percent, maybe you don't play him. Save
Speaker 1: him for the Saints game. There's no saving in the NFL.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no saving preseason. This Dolphin team regular,
Speaker 1: this Dolphin team is going to be dangerous because number one,
Speaker 1: where they started, they got nothing to lose, right, so
Speaker 1: they come in swashbuckling. If I'm the head coach, it's
Speaker 1: it's a four down offense, right, Yeah, why do I
Speaker 1: gotta punt? This is? This is Mickey. I appreciate you
Speaker 1: saying this little bit. No, no, this is I appreciate
Speaker 1: you saying this because if I'm the Miami Dolphin, that's
Speaker 1: exactly how I dam feel right now, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: slinging it downfield and maybe I get interference, at least
Speaker 1: challenge it for inter and Nebbi's right because the longer
Speaker 1: they hang in the game, and they were in the
Speaker 1: game the first half against the Patriots, they were right yeah.
Speaker 1: So the longer they hang in, they're sitting there going, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: we can play. And that's the last thing you want.
Speaker 1: You want to take them out early and give them
Speaker 1: a pillow to put their head on and be nice
Speaker 1: and comfortable. Now, make you always say it, the more
Speaker 1: you lose the NFL, the closer you are to winning.
Speaker 1: And they're you know, I mean, I don't remember what
Speaker 1: the score was at halftime, but it was close. I
Speaker 1: appreciate him saying that because to me that I think
Speaker 1: this is really about, like I said, the great equalizers.
Speaker 1: A lot of backups are playing for your football team. Now,
Speaker 1: if the backups pass the test, the Cowboys in this
Speaker 1: football game. But the thing that worries me is Fitzpatrick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know that got Parker. He's a he's a
Speaker 1: could be a vertical player at They'll fifty fifty ball
Speaker 1: all day. But I was just worry about it, because
Speaker 1: what's the one thing we haven't really seen consistently from
Speaker 1: this Cowboys defense. So we kind of nick pick on
Speaker 1: a little bit rush pass rush. Look at you both
Speaker 1: say at the same time, it did a better job
Speaker 1: in the run game last Yeah, exactly. So if you
Speaker 1: but if you're Fitzpatrick and you're gonna and you make
Speaker 1: him feel somewhat comfortable throwing the football in this game,
Speaker 1: he could throw the ball fifty times and he doesn't
Speaker 1: care that. I mean, he'll throw four interceptions. He doesn't care.
Speaker 1: That's just his attitude. That's the way he plays. That's
Speaker 1: that's the biggest danger. And the and Brian Floor is
Speaker 1: the head coach. You know what if he says, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go for it on all these four downs.
Speaker 1: Yeah we're gonna onside kick, Yeah, we're gonna fake punt.
Speaker 1: Yeah we're gonna you know, he's got to find ways
Speaker 1: to get his players back on board because obviously with
Speaker 1: all the changes the front office is making, there is
Speaker 1: a lot of players net locker room looking at each
Speaker 1: other going in my next, yeah, my next. Robert Quinn
Speaker 1: was asked yesterday if he's contacted had contact with any
Speaker 1: of his former teammates said, a lot of them are gone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not there anymore. Yeah, before we go to break,
Speaker 1: there are concerns, I think obviously with the injuries on defense.
Speaker 1: The thing that makes me feel good though, is offensively
Speaker 1: the offensive. The offensive line absolutely has been so solid
Speaker 1: that I think especially at home too. Yeah, they should
Speaker 1: be able to control things the way they're playing on
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick back in there. We'll see how that goes.
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Speaker 1: you know what. This might be the most hectic two
Speaker 1: and a half weeks to start of the season I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. There's no question it's been crazy. But don't
Speaker 1: forget don't forget Zeke two years ago. Yeah, now that
Speaker 1: was that was just one thing. That's a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: But we wait California to Hawaiity here and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's just like, yeah, it's been a little crazy,
Speaker 1: it's been a lot. The other day, I remember I
Speaker 1: went home and I just said, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not doing anything. I'm just gonna sit here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, because it was like every time i'd go
Speaker 1: my work, just grab We do love it though, when
Speaker 1: we love it. By the way, I looked it up.
Speaker 1: So New England didn't score their second touchdown until there
Speaker 1: was like two minutes left in the first half. So
Speaker 1: they led thirteen to nothing at halftime because they missed
Speaker 1: the extra point right, thirteen to nothing, it ended up
Speaker 1: what forty nine to nothing or whatever the heck it
Speaker 1: was three? Okay, I made it worse than was, but
Speaker 1: at halftime they were hanging in there. So and the
Speaker 1: last thing the Cowboys need to do is turn the
Speaker 1: ball over. Yeah, and that Periscope two team, Yeah, Periscope
Speaker 1: pets are now our analysis on this game. Well, go
Speaker 1: ahead and bet to twenty one then and talk to
Speaker 1: me on Monday. There you go, Mickey, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Two quick phone calls before we get
Speaker 1: out of here, Corey and Amarillo. You're up next on
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys Amarillo by morning. Yes, Sorry, guys, How are
Speaker 1: y'all doing today? Good? Good? What's up? Hey? Do you
Speaker 1: guys think that possibly Christian Schart's idea for his prototypical
Speaker 1: cornerback could be keeping Jordan Lewis playing behind Anthony Brown.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking that because it seems like what you
Speaker 1: guys say, like the eye test, Jordan seems to show
Speaker 1: up and be there when he needs to be there
Speaker 1: and make those big plays. And I'm thinking specifically like
Speaker 1: the Saints game and some other stuff. Sure, uh, And
Speaker 1: I mean it's his size keeping him back because it
Speaker 1: just I'm not calling I'm not dogging on Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: because I know how hard corner is. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: just seems like Jordan just seems to play better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I was watching? You have another question?
Speaker 1: Or was that the on you got? The other? The
Speaker 1: other thing was is I just wanted to comment, like
Speaker 1: Nevi said, I think we got to put him away
Speaker 1: fast this week, how slow cowboys have been getting getting rolling.
Speaker 1: Just I think Mickey said, well it go, you know,
Speaker 1: we let these guys get ahead. They're gonna get some
Speaker 1: steam rolling and they're gonna get positive and yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: momentum of games a big deal. YEA, thank you, man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate thanks, Corey. You know, I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just such a huge fan of Jordan Lewis, not
Speaker 1: that I'm against Anthony Brown. And I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: watching that game when Nate in the studio last week,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, Anthony Brown is not playing well. And
Speaker 1: then I watched the tape. You know, there was a
Speaker 1: couple of plays that he was really bad on. But
Speaker 1: my perception of him just watching the game, and I
Speaker 1: know how you guys saw it live, was that HI
Speaker 1: missing tackles, he's not playing coverage well. But I was
Speaker 1: wrong about that. But I do think I love how
Speaker 1: competitive Jordan Lewis is. I really do. I think he'll
Speaker 1: fight you every single breath he has. And I and
Speaker 1: maybe that's why. And I don't know if it's Chris
Speaker 1: Roussard saying I'm just gonna go with this guy because
Speaker 1: he's prototypically better looking. I just think he really trusts
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown that much. I don't think he feels like
Speaker 1: Anthy Brown has let him down, and not that Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis has let him down, But I just feel like
Speaker 1: that's probably why they're doing what they're doing. I don't
Speaker 1: think it has to do anything of his size. I
Speaker 1: just think the coach really really trusts Anthony Brown maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit more than Jordan Lewis. He played well
Speaker 1: last year in that role. Yeah, and it is trust.
Speaker 1: And if you watch the entire game, there's sometimes Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis gets lost out there. Yeah, And so I think
Speaker 1: the way they look at it has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with his size. It has to do with the maybe
Speaker 1: the more snaps he gets, you start getting diminishing returns
Speaker 1: and you got to be careful on that. It's it's
Speaker 1: like it's like that second baseman that you know, placed
Speaker 1: part time and you regulate his at bats and he
Speaker 1: hits two eighty and then all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: double his bats and now he's hitting two twenty. Right,
Speaker 1: So you gotta be careful. He shows up in spots,
Speaker 1: but there's other times when he has to play more plays.
Speaker 1: I think he gets lost out there, all right, real quick,
Speaker 1: One more Lance in Philly. You're up next on Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: Howdy Fellas, how we're at the State Fair Texas. Brian.
Speaker 1: I just tweeted that Jo on Twitter. I appreciate that question,
Speaker 1: and I hate to take in reverse. I tried to
Speaker 1: call earlier when you guys were talking about Tocco, but
Speaker 1: the phone was busy. But back to Taco real quick.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get you guys in his opinion. I
Speaker 1: remember when we drafted Taco. That was the year that
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory was suspended. I believe Hicky was talking about that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't hear that. And I'm wondering if
Speaker 1: that was a necessity pick because we're all scratching ahead
Speaker 1: with the Taco thing. We've had, sure, DJ lot um,
Speaker 1: but a necessity picked and we've all haven't been super
Speaker 1: thrilled but Taco through the last couple of years and
Speaker 1: now we let them go. I'm just wondering if that's
Speaker 1: what it was. Big second question, Um, I don't follow
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins that often. Um, how do you think
Speaker 1: we're gonna be able to run against those guys? Is
Speaker 1: that like a scary opposition? The front seven there. I
Speaker 1: know we're going to try to expose the fasties, but
Speaker 1: how we're gonna be able to run against those guys.
Speaker 1: All right, mother than that. Fantastic guys, talk to you.
Speaker 1: Thanks Lance. We kind of covered the first question real quick, Brian,
Speaker 1: how do you see that matchup? Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys can find a way. Their front line,
Speaker 1: the offensive line is coolly better than what the Dolphins have.
Speaker 1: The Dolphins play a three four front, so you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna get the opportunity h to gash them a
Speaker 1: little bit. Jerome Baker, the linebacker number fifty five, I
Speaker 1: think is a really is a good player. Uh real
Speaker 1: Kua McMillan, you know, as another guy, he kind of
Speaker 1: plays as their sam linebacker. So it's it's big bodies
Speaker 1: up front. Not really, It's kind of like what playing
Speaker 1: the Giants when you used back in the day. They
Speaker 1: have those big bodies, their young bodies. Christian Wilkins is
Speaker 1: the first round pick from this year, so we'll see
Speaker 1: how they hold up. Teams had some success running the
Speaker 1: ball inside. There was a lot of movement that I
Speaker 1: saw in that Ravens game, and the Ravens are a
Speaker 1: power team with a good offensive line. So I have
Speaker 1: a feeling you'll see some downhill, downhill runs with Zeke.
Speaker 1: I think you'll get the pollard out there on the
Speaker 1: edge a little bit in some space, and they'll have
Speaker 1: some success doing that. That'll be a nice way. They're
Speaker 1: gonna need a little balance here to kind of make
Speaker 1: things work, all right. That's all the time we got, Mick. Look,
Speaker 1: eighty one runs against them, but a lot of it
Speaker 1: has to do when you get in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: In the fourth quarter, thirty points, you run the ball.
Speaker 1: They've given up three hundred ninety one yards. But here's
Speaker 1: the key thing. They're also giving up four point eight
Speaker 1: to carry. That's it. Yeah, so there's a lot of
Speaker 1: carries because of what the score is, but they get
Speaker 1: flore down to that. That's four point eight to carriage.
Speaker 1: All right. We'll see if Zeke eats. Thank you guys
Speaker 1: for joining us, Thanks for all the phone calls. We'll
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