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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome back to the show. My name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: Our colleague Matt is on adventures and will be returning soon.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joyed as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. If you are tuning

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Speaker 3: in to our strange news program the Evening it publishes

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Speaker 3: welcome to December fifteenth, twenty twenty five. We have so

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Speaker 3: much stuff to show you, right dead smack Metal of

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Speaker 3: the month mm hmm yeah, and the middle of the

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Speaker 3: last month, which English, being such a weird language, probably

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Speaker 2: It's like the penalty, the penulty. No, that doesn't work,

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Speaker 2: We'll have to figure out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well we'll figure it out. We will report back,

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Speaker 3: and we'll report back to you because you'll be listening

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Speaker 3: in the future. We're so glad you joined us. If

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Speaker 3: you want to give us a little end of the

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Speaker 3: year holiday gift. We would love a review on your

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Speaker 3: podcast platform of choice. That feels like the easiest thing

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Speaker 3: to do. We also have so many strange, strange things. No,

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, things are popping for sure in the

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Speaker 4: strange news world. Yeah, but I mean speaking of being

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Speaker 4: midway through the month, and I guess I think the

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Speaker 4: So we're in the mid December of a long December,

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Speaker 4: and there's definitely reason to believe in time travel apparently,

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Speaker 4: or at least figurative time travel.

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Speaker 2: The idea of.

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Speaker 4: Memory jumping in time mentally and like memories relating to

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Speaker 2: This is something that you were mentioning like, and I'm fascinated.

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Speaker 3: And in ridiculous history. Also, I I pitched and we

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Speaker 3: concluded together with our pal Max Williams, that long December,

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Speaker 3: by counting crows, is in fact a sleeper Christmas, Aul.

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Speaker 2: No question about it. No, question about it.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, speaking of sleeper stuff, what's the deal with

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Speaker 3: What's the deal with linear time? We would say, is

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Speaker 3: Andy Rooney on sixty minutes?

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's the reference. Now give credit is due. I

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Speaker 3: So we also want to we we've got so much

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Speaker 3: some heist news. We've got to get to this idea

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Speaker 3: of linear time. And just to demonstrate what we're talking about,

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Speaker 3: it's a linear time joke.

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Speaker 4: Answer linear time jump or nonlinear depending on how you're

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Speaker 3: And I'll say it at the end of the year,

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Speaker 3: all the secrets and we have returned. So for any

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Speaker 3: of our fellow conspiracy realists who have checked out our

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Speaker 3: series on Dreams Predicting the Future, you may recall that

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of nuanced stuff going on in two

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Speaker 3: see that thejournalist Elizabeth Rain has built out what scientists

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Speaker 3: Gavin de Becker's excellent book We always recommend, The Gift

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm recommending again, The Gift of Fear

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Speaker 4: Hey, Ben, speaking of ideas that once seemed outlandish, like

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Speaker 4: And it does not account if it's the These things

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Speaker 4: You think what kind of First of all, what kind

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Speaker 3: They are astronauts. And I yet again want to shout

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so's it's it's more of a pie shaped earth.

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Speaker 3: It's more of a pie shaped Earth, which doesn't violate

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Speaker 3: I'm not walking away from this joke. And I know

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Speaker 4: I guess I'm thinking of an uncut case idea. So

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Speaker 4: to get their assets, which, by the way, I was

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00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 4: confused about this. They list in the the marketing stuff

440
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 4: behind this pitch. I guess they're just being silly because

441
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 4: they say their assets are worth one hundred thousand dollars,

442
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 4: which of course is not the case. They are They

443
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 4: have subsidiaries other brands, Prana Soil and Mountain Hardware, and all.

444
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: Of that together be valued at more than three billions.

445
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 4: So it is one of those things where you know, wow,

446
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 4: what if the proof were to come and it really was,

447
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 4: would they really you know, put their money where their

448
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 4: mouth was. He does end the whole thing with, hey,

449
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 4: flat earthers doing me a favor if you're going to

450
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 4: the edge of the earth where Columbia.

451
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: So it is, Yeah, this is good, good marketing.

452
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: And with that we're jumping to some memory because what

453
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 3: is consciousness if not a mimetic exploration?

454
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: And we have.

455
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 4: Returned, Ben, I would pose back to you the question

456
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 4: that you posed to the audience on our last ad break,

457
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 4: What is consciousness if not a mimetic cycle of experience?

458
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: And paraphrasing, but I believe that's pretty close.

459
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Nol, you Matt Tennessee and yours truly have been

460
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 3: talking about memes for a long time because there's some there.

461
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: We love them. They always make us laugh, some of

462
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 3: them make us think, and memes also get very deep

463
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 3: into the nature of consciousness and thoughts. So this is

464
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 3: a surprisingly good segue. But I believe that we have

465
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 3: all been dealing with on some level the rise of

466
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: a meme in particular. Could you give us the breaking news?

467
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 2: I guess it's yeah, I don't know. I think six'

468
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: seven is how the meme is being referred. To is

469
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 2: it even a? Meme like? What that's the.

470
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 4: Thing we think of memes as being like image, macros you,

471
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 4: know with some text on, it or like a looping

472
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 4: video or.

473
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: Something but then you've got.

474
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 4: These things that kind, OF i don't, know loom even

475
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 4: larger than. That and it's not even one thing in

476
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 4: particular that you can refer. To but this six seven,

477
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 4: trend it's popular With Jen alfa of just you, know saying.

478
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: Six seven that's literally what it.

479
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 4: Is and like a lot of things in Gen alfha

480
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 4: kind of brain rock, culture it is inherently.

481
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: Nonsensical it can mean many many, things.

482
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 4: But Ultimately it's almost like when the secret word of

483
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 4: the day is said On Pee Wee's playhouse and everybody

484
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 4: like just freaks. Out at least that's what's happening at

485
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 4: in and out burger chains in The West.

486
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: Coast AND i love what we're saying here because the

487
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 3: the real kick or the real umami of something like

488
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: this meme seems to be not so much the concept

489
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: of saying sick seven, itself but watching people who are

490
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: not in on the joke react to, It.

491
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 4: Sure that's what it, is that's, right or try to

492
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 4: get in on it with even more disastrous and cringe worthy.

493
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 4: Results you, know one of the these brain rot slang

494
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 4: things is on its way. Out when you see adults

495
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 4: really desperately trying to get in on the, fund it

496
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 4: just doesn't work. Anymore that's why they are increasingly, esoteric

497
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: and it would seem and.

498
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: Nonsensical it's just about.

499
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 4: Kind of, like, no you cannot wrap your head around

500
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 4: this because it's nothing in particular that you could. Grasp and,

501
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 4: so as one of the resident what are we gen,

502
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 4: X i guess or are we on the cusp or

503
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 4: something like, that we are not qualified to actually use these.

504
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: Terms we are not, allowed but we can.

505
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 4: At least talk about them from an anthropological, standpoint, right.

506
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah cultural. COMMENTARY i think technically you're a millennial. Cusp

507
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 3: that would be your sociological. Astrology, okay thank, You. Ben

508
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: that's going to inform every DECISION i make from here on.

509
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 3: Out But i'm just going to read a little bit

510
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: from This mashable article about what does six seven? Mean

511
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: here's why kids are saying six seven over and over

512
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 3: and over.

513
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: Again repetition's part of.

514
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 4: It parents everywhere are likely frightened to count to ten

515
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 4: in their own homes lest they tempt their children by

516
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 4: getting to the numbers six and. Seven if that means

517
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 4: nothing to, you then you successfully avoided the six seven.

518
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 4: Meme congratulations to, you and you're blissfully offline. Life that

519
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 4: sounds so, HEALTHY i. Agree So, essentially at in and

520
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 4: out burger chains across the, country kids have been waiting.

521
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 4: Around if you've ever been to an in and, out

522
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 4: they do tend to have they do a lot of.

523
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 4: Volume let's just say. So either the drive through line

524
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 4: is really really long wrapped around the, building or if you're,

525
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 4: inside you're part of a crowd and they're calling out,

526
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 4: numbers and whenever they get to order number sixty, seven

527
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 4: there's videos of kids just freaking. Out LIKE i, said

528
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 4: like the pee wee. Thing if anybody isn't getting that,

529
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 4: reference it's when they would say a word of the

530
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 4: day and everyone just kind of. Screams and that seems

531
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 4: to be what's been happening in and. Out franchise's a little.

532
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: Bit, destructive they would, argue, right and the fact that

533
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: it's being filmed as well for the likes for the

534
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 3: content it calls to mind in this age of, information

535
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: performative things like the people filming themselves demanding sege wand,

536
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 3: sauce or the specialty sauce made during The rick And

537
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: morty era as a promotion for one of their, episodes

538
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: in which people didn't actually necessarily want the, sauce but

539
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: they wanted the. Attention they wanted to be to see

540
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 3: and be seen doing this kind of performative. Stuff AND

541
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: i think this is a direct a direct parallel, right

542
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: yelling six' seven and then, getting filmed and then you

543
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 3: can propagate it, right.

544
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 4: RIGHT and i stop myself short of getting to a

545
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 4: little bit more of. The background if you want to

546
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 4: trace it to. A thing it's this Song by scrilla

547
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 4: Called Dut, dute yeah where he references six' seven. In

548
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 4: this cadence and but the thing that made it go

549
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 4: viral was this kid at. A basketball game it's like

550
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 4: a TikTok where he just says six to seven while

551
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 4: doing kind of like, a finger emote and that is.

552
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 4: What TOOK off but i think this speaks to what.

553
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 4: You're talking About ben and mashaville did a great job

554
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 4: of kind of.

555
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: Summing this up the meme isn't really, about the song,

556
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: or about.

557
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 4: Basketball or about height like like, six foot seven.

558
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: And even really.

559
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 4: About the numbers it is simply an excuse, to, Be

560
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 4: silly uh and there's a lot of that going. Around

561
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,479
Speaker 4: these days have you heard of this phenomenon That's happening

562
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 4: in german called?

563
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: Putting mit gobble.

564
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: Tell us, About, putting mcgobble well.

565
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 4: If, you know german it just means putting with a

566
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 4: fork and it's literally just a bunch of people assembling

567
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 4: in public places to eat pudding.

568
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: With. A fork oh that reminds me of that that

569
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: Elderly Man in new york who just put out an

570
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: open call for people to smoke, A free cigarette but

571
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 3: do you?

572
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 4: Remember seeing that and he also made a big, point

573
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 4: of saying if you, don't already, smoke don't smoke it's.

574
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: Bad for YOU but if.

575
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 4: I.

576
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: Will check IDs, but but, yeah people love especially now

577
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: an era, of growing divisiveness where so many terrible, things

578
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: are happening the world's ending for, someone every day it's

579
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,479
Speaker 3: kind of fun to get together with stranger strangers and

580
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: be united and. INNOCUOUS and silly. I, LOVE that yeah i.

581
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 4: Know it's true there are divisive and, also mean spirited

582
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 4: and the discourse can be just so aggressive and a little.

583
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 4: Bit SOUL draining so, i Fully Understand especially gen alpha

584
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 4: coming up and experiencing a lot of this stuff and

585
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 4: almost needing something to, soften the blow or at least

586
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 4: just kind. Of perpetuating that this is sort of humor

587
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 4: certainly been Around Longer, than jen alpha but it seems

588
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 4: to be more and more absurdist and in a not,

589
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 4: mean spirited way in like a more Of A silly

590
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 4: billy willie, kind of.

591
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: Way, you know yeah. That's, my point, right, somebody says

592
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 3: hey let's just get together and watch this guy eat an.

593
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 3: Entire rotisserie chicken, that's ANOTHER example and i, think that's

594
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 3: beautiful this kind of. TOWN square surrealism i want more

595
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 3: of it. In the, WORLD you know i can see

596
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: it now because the. Statute has passed i'm not sure,

597
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 3: about the legality but for a long time in various parts,

598
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: OF the WORLD i would i would find myself in

599
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: or various Parts Of. THE united states i can be,

600
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: MORE specific now i would create fake wanted posters for.

601
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: Non human things and one of my favorites was a

602
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: missing poster for a boomerang, and it said no need to,

603
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: call the police just wait here. For a second.

604
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: I'll come back, it always does might, take a minute.

605
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 3: BUT all saying i. THINK we're aligned i think we're

606
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 3: agreeing on the idea of this. Fundamentally human, thing you

607
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: know there is a whistle like. A graveyard whistle there

608
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 3: is no humor. Like gallows humor but sometimes people in

609
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 3: power or entities and power try to be artificially in,

610
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: on the, game like, hello Fellow Kids The steve, bush

611
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 3: emi stuff or or they find themselves overwhelmed by some of. These, organic,

612
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 3: trends yeah.

613
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 4: No it's, true but again like the mean spirited side

614
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 4: of it too is a thing like even when the

615
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 4: folks in power Currently In the united states are trying

616
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 4: to get in on some. Meme type action oftentimes they're

617
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 4: very other and mean.

618
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 2: Spirited and pointed like Even Like when pete Hesith DOING the.

619
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 4: Turtle ai cartoons like bombing drug. Boats OR whatever and

620
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 4: i believe the publishers of that Child that beloved children's

621
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 4: character came, out and said, Not cool.

622
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: Man but they.

623
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 3: Almost, always, do well.

624
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah they got to separate.

625
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 4: Themselves from it, but you know the six seven of

626
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 4: it all is just so much more, soft and, gentle

627
00:35:58,760 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 4: and like how could you?

628
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: Even?

629
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 4: Weaponize, THAT right like i don't even know how you

630
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 4: could in a negative way because it is inherently.

631
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: It's, Just, ephemeral.

632
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: Right, well yeah yeah that's what we're, setting, up here

633
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: folks because we're talking about these reactions from the power

634
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 3: structure when a funny thing gets a little too funny,

635
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: or too, well, we say inconvenient especially in a place.

636
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 3: Based on.

637
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 4: Inconvenience THAT'S true and, I don't know i spend a

638
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 4: lot of time just now talking about how these things

639
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 4: are a little kinder and gentler than maybe some, of

640
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 4: the darker more mean spirited of service tumor, of the

641
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 4: past and that's certainly, still out there but there, IS a,

642
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 4: certain i guess aggressive repetition to it that can be

643
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 4: perceived as, almost like combative and that's sort of what's

644
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 4: happening in These in, and out burgers these kids that

645
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 4: are gathered around and just going nuts every time six.

646
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 4: SEVEN comes up i believe sixty nine also. Figures Into

647
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 4: it So in and, out's just like we don't want to.

648
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 4: Play this game we're removing the numbers sixty seven and

649
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 4: sixty nine from, our order system so much like a

650
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 4: building in the past that was built without, a thirteenth

651
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 4: floor just not, To tempt Fate in and out has

652
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 4: mixed the numbers sixty seven.

653
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: And, sixty nine.

654
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 3: Yeah nice, or not nice or or. WHATEVER you prefer

655
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: i want to take a second To Shout, out miles

656
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 3: gray who introduced me to six seven quite, some time ago, And,

657
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: he said ben, you know what you don't have to

658
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: worry about what it means if someone says, it to

659
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Speaker 3: you just, Go doop doop and he was referencing the

660
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Speaker 3: song that.

661
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: You.

662
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 3: Mentioned earlier there we also know that we are living

663
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 3: in a time where reality in the online world. Becomes,

664
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 3: INCREASINGLY negotiable now i will say this feels like if

665
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 3: we're just hearing, the news here The In and out

666
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: burger cup empires reaction action feels maybe, a little draconian

667
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 3: maybe a. Little bit overdone was this? Really a problem

668
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 3: were there? That many people were they like burning down

669
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: in and out?

670
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 4: Screaming six, Seven certainly not BUT it's just i think

671
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 4: was becoming a distraction to maybe employees or maybe making.

672
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 4: Others feel, uncomfortable, but again though like if you've Ever

673
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 4: been To in and out like, at peak hours it's

674
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 4: like you're at a. CONCERT or, something i mean it's

675
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 4: it's pretty, wild in there like especially if it's like

676
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 4: later at night and maybe people have, had you know

677
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 4: they're going for their late.

678
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: Night greasy burger i've. Had SOME drinks so i.

679
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 4: DON'T fully understand i almost wonder if they're getting in

680
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 4: on the trend in a way, by you know making

681
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 4: a making. Into, a story yes that they have, erased

682
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 4: the number it's. Definitely, reportable something.

683
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: Yeah it's it's if it's not uh not in, a

684
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: weak marketing then it's definitely an example of. The streisand

685
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 3: effect it's just further empowering stuff and what do they

686
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 3: say then instead of, six and seven, Do they say

687
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 3: i'll have a five plus one and an? Eight minus

688
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 3: one how do they.

689
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 4: Order numbers like like like you, you are, assigned you

690
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 4: know you're number sixty five or number they're just.

691
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: In, the system yeah there's like.

692
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 3: The Number four in asia. Or number. Thirteen JUST so.

693
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 4: And i also just, want TO mention like i understand

694
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 4: how these kinds of trends, can be disruptive like say

695
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 4: in a classroom or like. A, learning environment sure and

696
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 4: it is becoming increasingly kind of foreboten to like use.

697
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 4: These in, school but again how are you going to

698
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 4: crack down on? KIDS being, Unruly i mean god bless

699
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 4: all the teachers out there having to contend with some of.

700
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 4: These new things but it has there are educators, that are,

701
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 4: talking you know pretty extensively with the media about how

702
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 4: some of. These things, there they're like kids are not

703
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 4: allowed to say certain of these brain rot terms because

704
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 4: it becomes.

705
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: A significant distraction.

706
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 4: But in an in, and out breaker it just seems

707
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 4: LIKE it'd be, I don't know i don't quite get

708
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 4: the get the concern unless it's like literally causing like.

709
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: LIKE riot conditions.

710
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 3: I don't get the hubbub bub YOU know. What i

711
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 3: mean it's not as if there are a Bunch of

712
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: mad max Level raiders and reavers running up on running

713
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 3: up on an in and out. SCREAMING six seven i

714
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: do appreciate the, point about educators and thank you to

715
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 3: everybody in the audience. Involved in education you've sent us

716
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 3: some straight. Up horror stories and thanks to everybody who

717
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 3: followed up as well about our recent mention a while

718
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 3: ago on how the short form content may indeed lead

719
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: to decrease the tension spans and some very serious changes.

720
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 3: In cognitive behavior so thanks. For, writing it.

721
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 4: Yeah and that has to be adapted to. A certain

722
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 4: degree it does seem like public education is adapting to,

723
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 4: Some of this like in, my kid's school they have

724
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 4: like a student center where kids are allowed to go

725
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 4: if they're feeling overwhelmed or they're having a hard. Time

726
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 4: focus saying and it does seem like depending, on the

727
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 4: school they have infrastructure and things in place for kids

728
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 4: that are dealing with. Some of this and it's, short,

729
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 4: attention span anxiety all of these things that maybe are

730
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 4: product of SOME of the ptsd that that generation experience

731
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 4: COMING up in covid and, all of that like, with

732
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 4: remote schooling and they are actually options for certain kids

733
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 4: that are struggling with this stuff to do school fully remote.

734
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: Or partially remote so it's cool to see.

735
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 4: This being adapted to by educators and important that they're

736
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 4: keyed into.

737
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: What's going on.

738
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: And speaking, of culture wars ONE thing that i ALWAYS

739
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: want to i always want to emphasize whenever you hear

740
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 3: about insert here generation has a problem with insert this,

741
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: activity or whatever please. Remember it's cyclical it's ubiquitous throughout.

742
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: The human species when Whatever came after gregorian chant started

743
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 3: getting popular in, monasteries and churches there was an entire

744
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 3: generation of, people, who said no. Forget this stuff gregory

745
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: chanced the. Way to go. One culture war we're not

746
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 3: gonna spend. Time with this but one other attempted culture

747
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: war that's happening right now comes from none other Than Our,

748
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 3: buddy marco rubio who HAS Ordered The us state department

749
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 3: to Stop using the calibri fought and Go Back To.

750
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: Times new roman he said it, was too weird it.

751
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: Was too soon it's like speaking of. Picking one's battles

752
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: that is an example of how silly folks can get

753
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 3: we're running a. Little bit long what do we think

754
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 3: about taking One more abrik.

755
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 2: Let's take one more ab break and then come back

756
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 2: with the banger of. A closing story.

757
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: We're back with several. Banger closing stories if it's all, right,

758
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 3: With everybody guys let's start with a bit of, a

759
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: cautionary tale just a heads up, without being alarmist. Without

760
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 3: frightening anybody you may have seen the news if you,

761
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 3: travel often abroad as we, end up doing if you

762
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: find yourself in a situation where you ARE not a

763
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 3: us national and you are traveling from a country that

764
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 3: allows you to get, here visa free you have some

765
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 3: stuff on the horizon you should. Be concerned about let's

766
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 3: talk about. It This, Way. So noel, tennessee, have you

767
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 3: guys ever had a weird moment when you come BACK.

768
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 3: To the us have you ever been detained or have

769
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 3: only as far as, you're comfortable answering or got any

770
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: weird questions or? Anything like?

771
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: That, not detained now, knock on wood.

772
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 4: Just held up maybe had my dad gone through a

773
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 4: LITTLE more than i, Would HAVE liked but i try

774
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 4: to plan for that.

775
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 2: Kind of stuff, How, ABOUT you dylan i.

776
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 5: Went through customs once Coming Back, from saint croix and

777
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 5: THEY asked where i had been staying. ON the island

778
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 5: I told them i had been staying, with a friend,

779
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 5: and they're like is your? Friend here, now like that

780
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 5: it WAS almost.

781
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 3: Like i made up the friend brind in the. Room

782
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: right now.

783
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 2: You wouldn't know and he goes to another school Break out.

784
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 3: The, luija, board yeah okay This is why i'm asking

785
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 3: because a lot of people, have found, themselves you know

786
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 3: in unexpected situations or like, You, Were, saying dylan uh

787
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 3: you come BACK to the us, and, You're saying HEY i'm.

788
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 3: A us citizen why was not? Expecting these questions so this.

789
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,919
Speaker 3: Level of interrogation or you're going, to another uh you're going.

790
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 3: TO another country i remember WHEN one country i.

791
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 6: Was.

792
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: Going to uh they gave, you the uh the paperwork

793
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 3: on the plane as, you were landing and one of

794
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: the questions was have you ever committed an act? Of

795
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: moral turptitude not a crime that qualifies, as moral turptitude

796
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: but an act? Of MORAL turpitude and, I, was thinking

797
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 3: oh what. A weird question they're asking have you? Ever

798
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: been bad, like you know that's like when you're filling

799
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: out for anybody who's. Worked in retail sometimes back in

800
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 3: the days of, paperwork for applications they would have these

801
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 3: this series of questions that, were so, strange something like

802
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 3: have you ever stolen from a job? Or an employer

803
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 3: and then the second one was if you saw someone stealing,

804
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 3: from your job would you tell?

805
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 2: Anyone?

806
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 3: Who checks yes, and, then, no like yeah steal. All,

807
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: The time no i'm. Not a snitch hire. Me, pet

808
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: smart yeah that's a little bit of. An eye questionaire.

809
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: It is right, this is so this is something that

810
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: you will need to know if you are Traveling To,

811
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 3: the united states possibly in. The near Future Customs and

812
00:45:54,960 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 3: Border protection Aka friends of tennessee Have partnered With Apartment

813
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 3: of homeland security to. Say the following this. Is their

814
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 3: pitch if you are eligible TO visit the us for

815
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 3: ninety days, without a visa that's, dozens OF countries the

816
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:20,959
Speaker 3: us is hoping to reserve the right to vet all

817
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 3: of your social media activity for the. Previous five years

818
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: so five years of whatever you did or said on

819
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 3: social media. Like, an, audit yeah, yeah just so, like

820
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 3: an audit and you are.

821
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 2: You for it? OR against IT i think i think

822
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: it's reasonable.

823
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 4: IT'S out, there, i mean like isn't it sort of

824
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 4: a reasonable expectation that that's potentially on, the table anyway

825
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 4: anything that you've got out.

826
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Speaker 2: There, publicly available.

827
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 3: Yeah that's a great that's. A, great point well this

828
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: is why we wanted to bring, this, to you folks because.

829
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: We have questions is it really an invasion of privacy

830
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 3: if it is, social media history because aren't you talking

831
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 3: in a, publicly accessible space or does it also include

832
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 3: things like your private, conversations on, there you know the

833
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 3: dms that he didn't mean to. Send to people, and

834
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 3: then FURTHER if the us intel apparatus is already as

835
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 3: as thorough as we know, it to be wouldn't they have?

836
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: ALREADY clocked you i, would think so if, you're that

837
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 3: bad seems to just fall in line with.

838
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,439
Speaker 2: Just, REGULAR vetting yeah.

839
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 3: I don't think i highly doubt the authorities are going

840
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 3: to look at someone's five Last years of, facebook, and

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00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: say oh this guy is selling Your radium. On facebook

842
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 3: marketplace we can't let Him Into The. Delta, sky, club.

843
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: No no he, must be.

844
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 4: Ejected escorted out did you hear about that guy that

845
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 4: was a like stormed ariana Grande at the wicked, premiere and,

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00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 4: like oh yeah jumped. Over the barricade he was just

847
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 4: like it's discovered wearing a fake mustache and a Wig

848
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 4: At a.

849
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: LADY gaga concert.

850
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 3: I heard him scort it.

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00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 2: OUT by security i think some eagle.

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00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 4: Eyed fan spotted him In somewhere IN australia And i

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00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 4: believe melbourne. Where, he's from Yeah what a and like

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00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 4: when the, video of him he's just smirking. At, THE

855
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 4: camera sorry i didn't mean to derail from, the original

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00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 4: story just made me.

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00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: Think, of it yeah it's it's already getting kind of

858
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 3: dicey here for Visitors Of the united states because tourism.

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00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 3: Has massively plummeted vegas is pretty much an, overpriced ghost

860
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 3: town and it seems like there are increasingly punitive or

861
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 3: off putting policies being proposed and indeed enacted against, innocent people,

862
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 3: who you know just want to go on a honeymoon

863
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 3: or just want To See the grand canyon or. What have,

864
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 3: you you know like you have to make a one

865
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: time payment of forty bucks to visit if you're from

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00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 3: a one is. Visa free, countries you also, according to

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00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: this will have to provide your telephone numbers and email

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Speaker 3: addresses over the, last five years for telephone numbers over

869
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 3: the last ten, years for addresses and you have to

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00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 3: give more information about your family members even if they

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00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 3: are not. Traveling with you that gets it just gets more, and, More,

872
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 3: INVASIVE right yeah i get it.

873
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 4: DOES for sure i guess we've all just kind of

874
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 4: gotten used to this idea of like there is like

875
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 4: there's no illusion of privacy when it, comes to travel,

876
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 4: especially international travel and the idea of like getting stamps.

877
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 4: On your passport and one thing that occurred to me

878
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 4: when you were asking about getting jammed up or held

879
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 4: up or detained it at airports.

880
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: Or In customs if, i'm.

881
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 4: Not mistaken there are certain countries that if they if

882
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 4: other countries see that stamp, on your passport they could

883
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 4: jam you up.

884
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 2: A little bit. One.

885
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 3: Hundred percent yeah the most prominent Example Is. The middle

886
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 3: east so for a long time this isn't as ironclad

887
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 3: as it. Used to be but for, a long time

888
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 3: if You're traveling to, israel in particular you had A,

889
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 3: stamp from israel you would get jammed up as a

890
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 3: standing policy of some other countries. In the region and

891
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 3: this was so frequent and so well Known that indeed

892
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 3: israeli officials would sometimes give you the stamp on a

893
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 3: separate piece of paper so that you can take it out.

894
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 3: Of your passport but then also we have to mention

895
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 3: that depending on the country, you go to if you

896
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 3: are Going to a western country and you've Been traveling

897
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 3: in tehran or You have, an iranian stamp then you're

898
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 3: probably also going to. Get some questions so how much, Does,

899
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 3: this change Well that's.

900
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 4: WHAT i'm asking i think with so many of these

901
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 4: things in the scrutiny, already in place and you kind

902
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 4: of more or less being at the MERCY of the

903
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 4: tsa and of the government at the border that you're

904
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 4: passing through, and passport control it just doesn't seem like that,

905
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 4: much added scrutiny and that there are certain individuals that

906
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 4: maybe get scrutinized. Even MORE already so i don't know

907
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 4: that it makes me feel any LESS comfortable than i

908
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 4: already am.

909
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: With international travel.

910
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,479
Speaker 3: Here's why it's. A big deal and it doesn't matter

911
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 3: if you travel all the Time. Like myself renal it

912
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 3: doesn't matter, if, You say hey i'm happy to stay

913
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 3: within the borders of. MY own country i would argue

914
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 3: this has very little to do, with national security and

915
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 3: this is more about see this is a larger pattern

916
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 3: of what seems at this point to be a purposeful

917
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: move To Isolate the united states and also to normalize

918
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 3: the idea that it's bad to have any criticism of,

919
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 3: the current ADMINISTRATION which is i, Hate to say i'm.

920
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 3: RIGHT about it i think it's alied, away, from democracy.

921
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 4: No, No question ben can you help me understand a

922
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 4: little more about how those. Things are connected this idea

923
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 4: of like, a deeper scrutiny looking more into family relations and,

924
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 4: things like that an INCREASED codified, measure i guess of

925
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 4: like looking at. Social media history it's literally. Just tad

926
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 4: people it's just these lists that, ARE being. Discussed i

927
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 4: believe so there's a there's a recent discussion if they

928
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 4: are making a list of people that are considered to

929
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 4: be under the, loosest of, terms you. Know domestic terrorists

930
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 4: but it does seem that some of that just involves

931
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 4: being openly critical of the government.

932
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 3: One hundred percent, making a list. Checking it, twice you

933
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 3: know if a if a non democratic administration makes a,

934
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 3: rule that, says for, instance six seven we have interpreted,

935
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 3: as you Know as it alsha gets the dictator rallying cry,

936
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 3: a dog whistle then a country being sovereign is completely

937
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 3: in its rights to deny you entry, for any basis

938
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 3: for any arbitrary. Reason they decide and this goes for

939
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 3: so many different different countries. Around the, world you know

940
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 3: like you go to, so for instance think about. It

941
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 3: this way think about A, country, like thailand right which

942
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 3: has some very, very harsh rules very strict rules about

943
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 3: saying anything that can be seen as derogatory to. The

944
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 3: royal family you could have posted a meme that you

945
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 3: thought was funny, four, years ago right and you DON'T.

946
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 3: Even speak ti you just thought it was. A cool

947
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 3: cartoon and then if they had a, law like this

948
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 3: they go through social media, and, they, say oh no you're.

949
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 3: Not coming in you're png persona non, grata or worse you.

950
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 3: Could be arrested it reminds me also of those stories

951
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 3: about people who have, ever used narcotics but they went

952
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 3: to a place that had very harsh narcotic laws and

953
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 3: they how's the, old folklore go they had a poppy

954
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 3: seed bagel or something like that that they'll make a

955
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 3: drug test. Come, UP positive Yeah i mean LUCKILY you

956
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 3: and i have not been. In those situations BUT these

957
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 3: laws i think are worrying, or these proposals because they're

958
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 3: sliding further, away from democracy even though it might seem

959
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 3: not like a big deal.

960
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 4: At the, time you, Know, IT'S funny ben i was

961
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 4: definitely looking at this more through a lens of like

962
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 4: how IT affects, like us domestically like traveling to. Other

963
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 4: countries potentially but, TO your point i think the way

964
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 4: this does connect to that is that this is sort

965
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 4: of a first step in ultimately then doing the same

966
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 4: thing for.

967
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 2: Our, own PEOPLE.

968
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 4: Yeah which i know, is already happening but it just

969
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 4: seems like that's the, trajectory of it like the.

970
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 2: Slope, Of it right.

971
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 3: And this is also part of how.

972
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: It.

973
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 3: Works too right, so if, you for instance you might

974
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 3: travel to another COUNTRY, not, the us right and you get,

975
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 3: to passport control you, get to customs, your, bag's fine

976
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 3: right and they're fine with whatever you're, Carrying in there and, then, they,

977
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 3: say oh also please. Unlock your phone and if, you

978
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 3: say NO why do i have to? Unlock my phone

979
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 3: then they will. Just detain you they'll, get a warrant

980
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 3: and then you're waiting somewhere for however many. Hours it

981
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 3: takes once they, open your phone they'll have so many

982
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 3: more questions because you. Raised a, stink you know it

983
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 3: can get. UGLY really quickly i think we should, all

984
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 3: be concerned especially to that point you raised there, at

985
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 3: the end the idea of normalizing, the, sliding, Scale, right

986
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 3: especially oh we were talking about. This off air maybe

987
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 3: this is, where we end especially because the news just

988
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 3: broke about denaturalizing or removing the citizenship of up to

989
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 3: Twenty Three million. UNITED states citizens.

990
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 2: I just don't understand. HOW that's constitutional i. Think it's not.

991
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 3: It's it's not there, are rare exceptions and.

992
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: IT'S such a, i don't know it's just, a fear maneuver.

993
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 2: A fear tactic so much.

994
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 3: That's, going, On yeah yeah and for anybody wants to

995
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 3: know the numbers there that would be enacting something like that, would,

996
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 3: result in uh would open the door to remove citizenship

997
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 3: from one out of thirteen People In. The united states

998
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 3: this has happened. In the past there, are some there

999
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 3: there is a little bit of a legal, fig leaf

1000
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 3: here but most of the most of the policies about

1001
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 3: removing naturalized citizenship or revoking That. Citizenship for americans it

1002
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 3: comes from, like war crimes like finding out someone was

1003
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 3: secretly and and made IT to the us, and, then,

1004
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 3: saying oh hey you can't do that because your real

1005
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 3: Name is Not.

1006
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 4: Johnny, BLUE gen no i mean that's, not that's yeah

1007
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 4: that's not what, they're. Talking about though it's a much

1008
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 4: broader initiative in the way, it's being discussed and that

1009
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 4: would ultimately just like it's just another way of making,

1010
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 4: people really, scared you know of, what you're describing ben

1011
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 4: of saying the wrong thing and being categorized as some sort,

1012
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 4: of domestic, dissident you know and then next, thing you

1013
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 4: know you're stripped of your citizenship and.

1014
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 3: Bounce and, like incubus said you can't let fear take the. Wheel,

1015
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 3: and steer.

1016
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: No.

1017
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 3: WE can't yeah i also Wanted to, reference HOOPA stink

1018
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 3: but i can't remember, the Specific thing so i'll just

1019
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 3: say that the reason is that, you, whatever comes uh

1020
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 3: we'll be there, with open, ears open, eyes et. Cetera. Et,

1021
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 3: cetera yeah yeah shout Out. Again to incabis shout, out

1022
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,480
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1023
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