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Speaker 1: Can you imagine the murder of a young mom and

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Speaker 1: on the painty is endured since the murderer of his

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I mean you see, Grace,

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Speaker 1: Let's kick it off. Take a listen to this. Police

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Speaker 1: anchor John Carlin and Brittany McGraw, deputy have identified the

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Speaker 1: suspect as nineteen year old Matthew Bernard. Family members say

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Speaker 1: Randy Kessler. I've known my husband for many, many years.

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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about the crime scene? Well, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: to hear what the Tampa Bay Race pitching prospect, Blake Bevins,

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Speaker 1: you shared last Sunday. And when I read take Heart

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Speaker 1: for I've overcome the world, it changed. It completely flipped

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Speaker 1: a switch in my heart. And from that moment on,

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Speaker 1: I knew that this was not going to beat me,

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Speaker 1: This was not going to beat my family. I was

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Speaker 1: going to live in victory the rest of my life.

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Speaker 1: And I was going to use this as a testimony

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Speaker 1: to show what he has done for me he can

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Speaker 1: also do for others. And I just that moment for

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Speaker 1: knew God was with me, and the only thing I

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Speaker 1: knew to do was just laugh in the enemy's face

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Speaker 1: because he had thought he had won, but he had

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Speaker 1: just All he's done is a woke in a sleeping giant.

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Speaker 1: And as long as I'm here on this earth, every

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Speaker 1: day I wake up, my goal is to pile drive

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Speaker 1: him right in the face every morning when I get up.

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Speaker 1: He Blake Bevins is quoting John sixteen thirty three. Take Heart.

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Speaker 1: Clime stories with Nancy Grace Guys, the murderer of three

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Speaker 1: innocent people, Joan Bernard, the mother in law, Emily Bivens,

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Speaker 1: the wife of pitching Phenomena Blake Bivens, and mother Colin Bivins,

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Speaker 1: a fourteen month old baby boy, all murdered. And yet

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Speaker 1: you hear Blake Bivins as he's speaking to the River

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Speaker 1: Church in Danville, stating, quoting John the Disciple, saying, take heart,

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Speaker 1: I want to focus now on the shooter. What do

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Speaker 1: we know about the shooter? Take a listen to WSLS

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Speaker 1: ten Knees reporter Shane Dwyer. Shane wires him in Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: County tonight with the very latest, Shane, you spoke with

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Speaker 1: the man who says he knows he's victims Well, JOHNA. Brittany, Yes,

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Speaker 1: that man, Matthew Bernard's uncle. We spoke with him this evening.

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Speaker 1: He was there with one of our reporters earlier today

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Speaker 1: as this was all going down in Pennsylvania County. They

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Speaker 1: the house. That's when he says he saw his nephew

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Speaker 1: get taken away in a line of police cars. As

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Speaker 1: that the eyes of that person that he saw in

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Speaker 1: the backseat of that cruiser were not the eyes of

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Speaker 1: the nephew that he knows, and he just did not

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Speaker 1: understand what was going on. That was his body, But

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Speaker 1: he says, as he looked at them, that was not

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Speaker 1: his nephew that was in the back of the car.

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Speaker 1: He does know what kind of headspace he was in

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Speaker 1: this evening. So it is completely understandable to imagine all

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Speaker 1: the grief that this family is going through, not only

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Speaker 1: with the devastating loss of their family members, but not

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Speaker 1: understanding how something like this can happen. Okay, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to give me a lot more than his eyes

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Speaker 1: were different and what was his headspace? No before I

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Speaker 1: would consider any type of mental defect defense, But listen

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Speaker 1: to CBS News Jamie Blake. Bivens began this week full

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Speaker 1: of hope, a minor league baseball prospect, married to his

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Speaker 1: high school sweetheart Emily, and proud father of a fourteen

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Speaker 1: month old son, Colin. That's Emily's mother Joan in a

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Speaker 1: family photo spanning three generations. But on Tuesday in southern Virginia,

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Speaker 1: all three were found murdered, allegedly by Emily's brother, who

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Speaker 1: relatives say was battling mental health issues. In his deepest grief,

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Speaker 1: Bivins last night posted this, my heart was turned to ash.

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Speaker 1: My life as I knew it is destroyed. The pain

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Speaker 1: my family and I feel is unbearable. I shake and

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Speaker 1: tremble at the thought of our future without them. In

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Speaker 1: a tribute to his wife, Bivens wrote, your love and

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Speaker 1: kindness changed countless lives, and to his son, I can't

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Speaker 1: breathe without you here. I finally understood what love was

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Speaker 1: when you were born and I would have done anything

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Speaker 1: for you, Bivens. Minor league club, the Montgomery Biscuits, canceled

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Speaker 1: their games this week as investigators who met with Bivins

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Speaker 1: scramble to figure out why Bivens ends his note. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure what is next for me, but I do

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Speaker 1: know God has a plan, even though I can't see it.

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Speaker 1: What do we know about the killer? The identity is

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Speaker 1: not a question because the killer was spotted running from

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Speaker 1: the crime saying completely naked. We do know. In the

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Speaker 1: next days, a competency hearing is scheduled for the sheeeter

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Speaker 1: Matthew Bernard, Matthew Bryant Bernard, what do we know? Take

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Speaker 1: a listen now to our friends at WSLS ten. This

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Speaker 1: is Ersha Jones with the uncle Bryant Bernard. The uncle

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Speaker 1: told ten News the suspectus all around perfect kid, but

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Speaker 1: he also says the teen expressed to his mother last

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Speaker 1: week he was having bad dreams. A family torn to pieces.

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Speaker 1: Investigators believe Matthew Barnard is responsible. His uncle says this

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Speaker 1: is out of character for his nephew. Well, I love

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Speaker 1: my nephew who was snapped. I don't know something changed

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Speaker 1: him a very quick period of time. Here's a picture

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Speaker 1: of Joan Bernard with her daughter Emily Bivins and grandson

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Speaker 1: Cullen Bivens. All three were shot and killed, but no

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Speaker 1: one knows what led to the shootings. He espressed to

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Speaker 1: his mother last week that he was having bad dreams

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Speaker 1: and that he'd seen damons around his bed, and his

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Speaker 1: uncle was told by the team's dad he was troubled.

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Speaker 1: On the day of the killings. He woke up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he just he said something to his mother that something's

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Speaker 1: going on. It's got to stop. Today. Well, something was

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Speaker 1: going on. I call it Shipple homicide. But let's see

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Speaker 1: what the court says. This young man who was described

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Speaker 1: by others as an all around good kid, even a

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Speaker 1: youth worker at the local church, now charged with triple homicide.

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Speaker 1: To Crime online dot Com investigative reporter at Levi Page, Levi,

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Speaker 1: what's happening, so, Nancy, we know that in November that

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Speaker 1: the judge found Matthew Bernard incompetent, incompetent to stand trial

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Speaker 1: after he had a psychological evaluation, And there's going to

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Speaker 1: be in the next few weeks coming up another hearing

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Speaker 1: to determine whether or not he's competant to stand trial again,

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Speaker 1: and if he is competant, the trial will go forward.

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Speaker 1: If he's not, he'll go into state custody and be

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Speaker 1: committed into a mental hospital until he is well. One thing,

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Speaker 1: of course, that the state is going to argue to you,

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Speaker 1: Randy Kessler, you're a veteran trial lawyer, is that Bernard

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Speaker 1: knew what he had done was wrong because he ran

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Speaker 1: from police. I don't run from police when I see them.

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Speaker 1: I may slow down a little bit, but I don't

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Speaker 1: run from them. And also, competency under the law is

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Speaker 1: not insanity. Competency simply means are you fit too? Can

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Speaker 1: you assist your lawyer at trial? That's the only question

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Speaker 1: regarding competency, right or wrong? Kessler, that's right, You're always

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Speaker 1: right and answer, But in a way that gives a

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Speaker 1: guide two chances at some sort of defense. One is,

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Speaker 1: you know, if he ran out, crazy, naked, whatever, they

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Speaker 1: might later argue that he was insane at the time

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Speaker 1: of the crime. But this question is can he even

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Speaker 1: stand trial or is he going to get some mental

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Speaker 1: help and be able to avoid trial or put the

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Speaker 1: justice system bend over backwards to give defendants the benefit

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Speaker 1: of the doubt and give them the chance to defend themselves.

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Speaker 1: But how can not be competent. They're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: have some serious psychological testimony to prove he can't even

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Speaker 1: defend himself. Come on, this isn't a moment that you

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Speaker 1: have to be permanently pretty much incompetent. This is not

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Speaker 1: just a right now, he can't do it the question

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Speaker 1: right now, he's incompetent, Okay, tomorrow, the next day. It's

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Speaker 1: hard to say that somebody will never be competent to

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Speaker 1: stand trial. They may need a week, they may need

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Speaker 1: a couple of days immediately. They easily fell competent as

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Speaker 1: usually as the case. Yeah, you know, it's interesting the

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Speaker 1: choice of words you used. Randy Kessler the right to

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Speaker 1: defend himself because fourteen month old Cullen couldn't defend himself,

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Speaker 1: the unarmed twenty five year old wife and mother, Emily

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Speaker 1: Bevins couldn't defend herself. The mother and law sixty two

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Speaker 1: year old Joan Bernard couldn't defend herself. This is how

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Speaker 1: it works. To Dr Bethany Marshall, insanity under the law

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Speaker 1: means you did not know right from wrong at the

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Speaker 1: time of the incident. That's the law brought over from

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Speaker 1: Great Britain by the Suttlers. Incompetency means can you assist

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Speaker 1: your lawyer at trial, whether they get you competent through

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Speaker 1: a series of medications or therapy. Most likely, and we

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Speaker 1: saw it in wand to Barz and her spouse that

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Speaker 1: kidnapped and raped Elizabeth Smart, at some point the doctors

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Speaker 1: will get you competent, cured to the point where you

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Speaker 1: can help your lawyer. Do you agree or disagree? I

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Speaker 1: completely agree. And for all of those your listeners who

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Speaker 1: are struggling with mental health issues, there is not one

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Speaker 1: psychiatric syndrome that I can think of in my field

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Speaker 1: that predisposes somebody towards homicide. It's your personality that predisposes

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Speaker 1: you towards that. It's hatred, it's rage, it's envy, it's

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Speaker 1: toxic human emotion. Being psychotic or schizophrenic or bipolar does

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Speaker 1: not make you homicidal. They are two very different things.

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Speaker 1: What I think probably happened in this case, the age

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Speaker 1: of onset for most psychiatric disorders is between the ages

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Speaker 1: of eighteen and twenty one. This man was eighteen years old.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking that he has what we call a dual

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Speaker 1: diagnosis situation, meaning that there was an onset of some

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Speaker 1: psychiatric issue, but because of that it unleashed latent tendencies

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Speaker 1: to be homicidal that came from his personality, not his

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Speaker 1: psychiatric issues, and it could have predisposed him to drug abuse.

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Speaker 1: Often when people horses right now, we don't have any

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Speaker 1: indication of drugs. If it were drugs, I could understand

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Speaker 1: it better, like you were mentioning early the bath salts,

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Speaker 1: But right now that information is not out there. That

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Speaker 1: would make it a lot simpler. And also voluntary use

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Speaker 1: of drugs or alcohol not a defense. But I can

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Speaker 1: end on this note. Take heart, so Blake Vivin said,

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Speaker 1: quoting John sixteen thirty three. After all he's been through,

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Speaker 1: he says, take heart. We wait as justice underfalls. Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story, signing off, goodbye friend,