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Speaker 1: Welcome to Turning Point tonight, where we are charting the

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Speaker 1: course of America's cultural comeback. Thanks so much for joining

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Speaker 1: us this evening. My name is Joe Bob. We are

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Speaker 1: happy to have you. Now. There are lots of things

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Speaker 1: going on in the news of the day, but sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's good to take a step back and kind of

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Speaker 1: focus on your big picture, thirty thousand foot view topics

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Speaker 1: and issues that are affecting our society. Now that being said, tonight,

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Speaker 1: we're going to take the opportunity to talk about masculinity,

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Speaker 1: that toxic thing that we should never allow, says somebody

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Speaker 1: with blue hair and none of it. We want to

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Speaker 1: talk about that with a guy who just wrote a

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Speaker 1: book called Embrace Masculinity. Braiden Soorbo joins us for an

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Speaker 1: expanded conversation about what masculinity is, where it has gone,

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Speaker 1: and how we can reclaim it. Braiden, thanks for joining us, Man.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. I'm excited, dude.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you know, without you know, burying the lead here,

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Speaker 1: masculinity obviously is has gone away effectively, it seems like,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily away, but is being pushed out of polite

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Speaker 1: society by the Libs. Physiologically, mentally, culturally, and societally. Just

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Speaker 1: off the top of the bat, what's going on, I

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Speaker 1: guess for a broad based question to get us.

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Speaker 2: Going, well, feminism is what's going on. It's just been

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Speaker 2: a slow decline in this whole idea of bringing about

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Speaker 2: what was considered equality is actually just nothing but detrimental

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Speaker 2: to society because during you know, the cavemen era, the

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Speaker 2: women were inside protected by the strong men who were

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Speaker 2: the world and that kind of thing. And today we've

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Speaker 2: had that progression where that's always necessarily been the case.

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Speaker 2: You have the guys going off to war, the guys

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Speaker 2: fighting the Crusades, you know, going off fighting World War

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Speaker 2: one two, all of these different generational battles that they

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Speaker 2: had to deal with, well, the women were protected. That

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Speaker 2: was their main goal was protecting the women. And with

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Speaker 2: this era of girl bosses, these women are going, well,

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Speaker 2: I don't need the men anymore, and so they're going

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Speaker 2: off and they're doing their own thing. But what they realize,

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Speaker 2: or what they lack to realize, is that if society

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Speaker 2: were to collapse, we would be screwed. In the society

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Speaker 2: that we're in right now is currently collapsing because a

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Speaker 2: lot of the guys who are doing the backbreaking work

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Speaker 2: but now receiving none of the reward, are failing to

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Speaker 2: show up. They're done, they're giving up, they're dropping out.

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Speaker 2: Because what used to be this whole system of not

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Speaker 2: dominance but order that was instituted by God, where we

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Speaker 2: worked in unison, where the women were nurturers, they were provided,

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Speaker 2: they were they would take care of the household. They

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Speaker 2: themselves but their family, and the husbands were present in

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Speaker 2: the protection, in the provision role has now been degraded

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Speaker 2: into this kind of assault and masculinity where people are

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Speaker 2: saying to the men, well, your natural inclinations are no

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Speaker 2: longer necessary. You have down in your core no longer

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Speaker 2: matters to us, and so they're dropping out, and so

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Speaker 2: women are wondering where are all the good men. The

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Speaker 2: good men were pushed away by these girl boss feminist

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Speaker 2: women who have unfortunately led the charge in this attack

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Speaker 2: on masculinity.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think it's interesting that you say, well,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily men being better or women being better, but

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Speaker 1: order in the sense that what it really is is.

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Speaker 1: It's complementary. Right, You need masculinity and you also need

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Speaker 1: femininity to obviously be portrayed by the correct people. But

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, yeah, it's all complementary.

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Speaker 1: And if you have overwhelming amounts of femininity and no masculinity,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have chaos and disorder, which is what we

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Speaker 1: feels like we're looking at today. I want to nail

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Speaker 1: down some of some of this stuff, and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you have some of these statistics in your book. Since

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Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties, the average US man's testosterone level has

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Speaker 1: dropped between twenty five iven thirty percent, which is a

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Speaker 1: huge problem. Sperm counts in Western men have fell fifty

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Speaker 1: nine percent from nineteen seventy three to twenty eleven. Physiologically, right,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk about kind of the mental elements of it,

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Speaker 1: the cultural elements, but just just physiologically. I know you're

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Speaker 2: It's been a lot of the food that we're eating.

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Speaker 2: I have a chapter in the book called big Pharma,

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Speaker 2: you know, and the war that we're currently waging against

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Speaker 2: have destroyed men, and that is the products that we

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Speaker 2: that's why steak and shake going back to one hundred

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Speaker 2: things like that, little victories like that that are going

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Speaker 2: to be this kind of resurrection that we're seeing. But

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Speaker 2: what I talk about in the book is not necessarily

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Speaker 2: you know that you need to be strong, that you

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Speaker 2: need to have, you know, the ability to deadlift five

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Speaker 2: hundred pounds or grill a steak in a flannel shirt

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Speaker 2: with a massive mustache. To be considered a man. You

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Speaker 2: just need to be able to stand up and so

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Speaker 2: you look at you know, even Hacksaw Ridge, the story

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Speaker 2: scrawny little kid and he was by definition of man

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Speaker 2: because he stepped up to the plate and was able

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Speaker 2: up to the plate anymore, which means they're not being challenged.

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Speaker 2: We have this era of the Lost Boys, where all

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Speaker 2: of these guys are refusing to grow up out of

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Speaker 2: the teenager phase because frankly, there's nothing that's in it

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Speaker 2: for them if they do. Right, Like, we have to

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Speaker 2: look at both sides of the coin here. We can

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Speaker 2: look at the men and go, you guys need to

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Speaker 2: grow up, but we also have to look at why

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Speaker 2: real responsibilities of the world, which is what forced testosterone

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Speaker 2: you said, sperm count and the overall testosterone levels of

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Speaker 2: the men in society today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a lot of great points there. Culturally speaking, though,

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Speaker 1: obviously there's a huge decline in the way that people

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Speaker 1: view masculinity. According to a twenty two you gov poll

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Speaker 1: found that thirty four percent of Americans think society punishes

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Speaker 1: men for acting masculine, which is up from twenty eight

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Speaker 1: masculinity is under attack. As per a twenty twenty three

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Speaker 1: And those types of guys, those masculine men are our

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Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people aren't gonna like the answer,

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Speaker 2: but bringing back traditional values it is as simple as

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Speaker 2: it sounds, and yet and yet it is harder than

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Speaker 2: And a lot of people are unwilling to look at that.

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Speaker 2: It's so easy to stand up on a stage and go,

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Speaker 2: we need to bring back masculine men and feminine women,

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Speaker 2: and everyone goes raw, let's go, that's my favorite thing.

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Speaker 2: But in practice, it's a lot harder than most people realize.

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Speaker 2: And a massive contributing factor to this is the lack

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Speaker 2: of religion in America today, because when you institute a

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Speaker 2: fundamentally as a person, romans One writes, Paul writes, how

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Speaker 2: the law is written on each one of our hearts.

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Speaker 2: We know the difference between right and wrong. We have

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Speaker 2: this rejuvenation and willingness to sacrifice. Now, I could sit

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Speaker 2: Or I can step up to the plate and go,

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Speaker 2: yeah it's tough, Yeah it's not going to be easy.

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Speaker 2: And yet I'm still going to do my very best

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Speaker 2: homeschool the kids, so that she can provide that nurturing

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Speaker 2: aspect that I physically can't. Right, And so when we're

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Speaker 2: and foremost. You were mentioning a couple of the statistics.

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Speaker 2: The world is constantly attacking men. It's telling us that

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Speaker 2: our natural inclinations are wrong, that wanting to be there

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Speaker 2: is wrong. You saw what happened with Daniel Penny. He

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Speaker 2: he's out of prison and now, but who knows what

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Speaker 2: would have happened had we been in a different situation. Right, So,

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Speaker 2: everything that these men are trying to do with their

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Speaker 2: so it doesn't matter what men do in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: and they will be harassed and ridiculed by society for

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Speaker 2: not being manly enough. Right, we can't live up to

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Speaker 2: the society's definitions, and why would we want to. Why

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Speaker 2: do we want to live up to a society that

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Speaker 2: persecuted and crucified the perfect man who ever lived. We

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Speaker 2: can't live up to their standards. We could try to

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Speaker 2: live up to his though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, super interesting in the same line of traditional values.

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Speaker 1: I thought this was statistic, was interesting, and I'm really

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Speaker 1: curious about your thoughts of your own generation. Men's median

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Speaker 1: age at their first marriage climb from twenty five in

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Speaker 1: five years, which is a twenty percent increase. Also, fifty

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Speaker 1: one percent of men under thirty five are not married

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Speaker 1: twenty three, and in nineteen eighty that percentage was seventy

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Speaker 1: age of thirty five being married, specifically speaking kind of

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Speaker 1: the younger gen Z generation, what does that look like

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Speaker 1: and how do you kind of course correct and get

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Speaker 1: the marriage numbers up. Obviously we've talked about it on

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Speaker 1: this show. Marriage is a good thing. Husband and wife

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Speaker 1: but for society as a whole. You know, with your

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Speaker 1: some of their there can be some conflation among you know,

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Speaker 1: various cultures.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you look at Braveheart, what were those men

434
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Speaker 2: doing in the movie? They were defending their homeland, fighting

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Speaker 2: against tyranny and protecting those that they cared about. It

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Speaker 2: didn't matter what they were wearing. The skirts that they

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Speaker 2: had were actually to conceal their knives, which is the

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Speaker 2: most manly thing I could think of, except maybe today

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Speaker 2: you would wear a skirt to conceal a gun. I

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Speaker 2: guess I don't know what their modern day equivalent would be.

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Speaker 2: Whereas the photo of little Nas with all the guys

442
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Speaker 2: you know in the dresses is self glorifying and perverse.

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Speaker 2: It's that simple. The method behind the madness is theirs

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Speaker 2: is actually madness, versus the Scots wearing kilts or the

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Speaker 2: men storming the beaches of Normandy were not. Unfortunately, I

446
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Speaker 2: will say that the wars that we have fought killed

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Speaker 2: off most of our good men, and so we were

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Speaker 2: left with this vacuum of a lack of masculinity that

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Speaker 2: was kind of filled in by the government teaching these

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Speaker 2: men how to act. And clearly we're reaping the benefits

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Speaker 2: of that, if you can call them benefits. I've always

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Speaker 2: said that it was one of the biggest tragedies we

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Speaker 2: could have ever had to fight and kill our own brothers,

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Speaker 2: and you know, all of these young men who really

455
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Speaker 2: had no business being in this war on either side,

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Speaker 2: and it's a terrible, terrible thing. And the same thing

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Speaker 2: that's happening, you know, now we have all of these

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Speaker 2: high up people who are doing all these things. It's

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Speaker 2: like the photo the Elon mus show of the chessboard

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Speaker 2: and all the ponds and the Rooks and the bishops

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Speaker 2: have killed each other and the king and queens are

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Speaker 2: sitting off having dinner on the corners. That's pretty much

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Speaker 2: what every single war in the past two hundred years

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Speaker 2: has been. And unfortunately, the byproduct of that is we've

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Speaker 2: lost a lot of would be phenomenal fathers, phenomenal leaders, pastors, speakers, congressmen, presidents, potentially, like,

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Speaker 2: we've lost this potential, and what we're seeing is because

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Speaker 2: of that lost potential, the vacuum has been filled by evil.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. One of my biggest concerns is, you know, Shane

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Speaker 1: Gillis has a great stand up bit of the older

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Speaker 1: you get the more historical documentaries you start to watch,

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Speaker 1: and the more invested you get into the history of

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Speaker 1: World War two. So I've recently myself gone down a

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Speaker 1: big time D Day rabbit hole, and what I found

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Speaker 1: myself wondering is, oh my gosh, if if ever God forbid,

475
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Speaker 1: we had to pull off an operation like that, could

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Speaker 1: we do it with today's kind of limp wristed quoft

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Speaker 1: of hair men like I don't know that we actually

478
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Speaker 1: could do that, And that's what scares me the most.

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Speaker 1: And you know, hopefully we're coming. We're turning a corner

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Speaker 1: to get that sort of masculine energy back. Brandon Sorbo.

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Speaker 1: The book is Embrace Masculinity. Where can people find it?

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Speaker 2: They can go to serbustudios dot com right now. It's

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Speaker 2: available for pre order at ships at the end of April.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. Yeah, go check that out. Embrace Mask Brandon, keep

485
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Speaker 1: fighting the good fight. Keep posting those quad pics on

486
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Speaker 1: the Internet of your workouts. Maybe that will encourage some

487
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Speaker 1: people or you know, make people feel less about themselves

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Speaker 1: as it does me. I kid, Braden Sorbo, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us. Really appreciate the long, expanded conversation

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Speaker 1: revolving masculinity.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate It's been fun.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. You know, it is interesting to have fun, longer

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Speaker 1: form conversations that don't necessarily stick to the news to

494
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Speaker 1: day because at the end of the day, the things

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Speaker 1: that matter are those types of topics that that kind

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Speaker 1: of permeate the day to day political grind, but always fun.

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Speaker 1: Right after the break, Alex Clark has an awesome clip

498
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Speaker 1: from the Cultural Apothecary podcast. You don't want to miss it.

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Speaker 1: Don't go away, We'll be right back after this.

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Speaker 3: What is your hot take on probiotics?

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Speaker 4: Not everybody needs them.

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Speaker 3: I thought everybody needed to be taking these.

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Speaker 5: I think gut health is everything, and when you are

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Speaker 5: healthy and your gut is intact, it puts so many

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Speaker 5: other things into place.

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Speaker 4: But not everybody needs probiotics.

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Speaker 5: And I know this because I've tested thousands of people

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Speaker 5: with stool tests and some people have great gut bacteria,

509
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Speaker 5: and then there's also probiotics that like, you need this one,

510
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Speaker 5: you need this one. I think it's good to change

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Speaker 5: it up, But I don't think anybody needs to be

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Speaker 5: on probiotics year round, every single year.

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Speaker 3: So how do you know if you're the person that

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Speaker 3: needs it.

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Speaker 5: I think it's good to polstos probiotics like maybe two

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Speaker 5: to three months a year. If you get on antibiotics,

517
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Speaker 5: definitely take probiotics because you just destroyed that good gut bacteria.

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Speaker 4: So I think if you're.

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Speaker 5: On antibiotics, if you're really prone to sickness, take probiotics,

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Speaker 5: you know, for several months in a row.

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Speaker 3: What else should change to be taking if you're on

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Speaker 3: antibiotics or have to be.

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Speaker 4: So you can do anything to help calm the gut.

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Speaker 5: So whether that's colostrum or zinc, carnissine, alo, marshmallow root,

525
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Speaker 5: there's different things to help calm and kind of heal

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Speaker 5: and seal the gut so it doesn't turn into a

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Speaker 5: leaky gut.

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Speaker 3: Should we be investing in an air purifier?

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Speaker 4: I think if you have the funds.

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Speaker 5: Yes, not everybody has that option, And so just opening

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Speaker 5: your windows and getting fresh air that's huge, you know, But.

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Speaker 3: Really it's better to have air from the outside into

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Speaker 3: the home.

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Speaker 4: Well, I just think it's a good cheap way.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: If you don't can't afford an air purifier, you can

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Speaker 5: really diyatt and get a box van and an air

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Speaker 5: filter if you need to. But I'm big on air purifiers.

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Speaker 5: We have one in every single room in our house.

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Speaker 3: I keep windows open at least twenty minutes every day

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Speaker 3: no matter the weather.

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Speaker 4: That's so good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's like my thing, and that's something free

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Speaker 3: that everybody can do. I guess some people might think, well,

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Speaker 3: the pollution outside and stuff, you're letting that into your home.

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Speaker 3: Is it better to always keep your doors and windows closed?

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Speaker 4: Now, if you're in like an.

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Speaker 5: Urban city, maybe not, you know, But I also think

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Speaker 5: that most people we pollute our indoor air quality with

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Speaker 5: chemicals and fragrance and things like that.

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Speaker 4: So that's where that fresh air is really good.

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Speaker 5: But if you live in a really highly concentrated urban place,

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Speaker 5: especially if you're in like an apartment or a high rise,

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Speaker 5: and you can't control all the air and they're putting

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Speaker 5: fragrance in the hallways, definitely get an air filter or

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Speaker 5: if your kids have asthma or allergies that that is

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Speaker 5: one of the things that I would absolutely invest in.

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Speaker 3: Are the cleaning products one of the most important things

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Speaker 3: to switch to non toxic in a home.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think personally because my kids are running around

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Speaker 5: on the floor, playing on the floor all the time,

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Speaker 5: so I don't want to have them playing in chemicals.

563
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Speaker 5: But I also think it's on the dishes we eat,

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Speaker 5: you know. When it comes to laundry detergent, it's on

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Speaker 5: the clothes that we wear, our sheets, our towels. It's

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Speaker 5: just one simple swap that can change the air quality

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Speaker 5: in our home. And I have seen patients have asthma disappear,

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Speaker 5: allergies disappear just by changing cleaning products and doing laundry detergent,

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Speaker 5: without even doing a crazy diet.

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Speaker 3: What would be some realistic healthy swaps for a kid

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Speaker 3: living in a college dorm.

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Speaker 5: So that's hard because you can't control all the variables,

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Speaker 5: But I would say some of the biggest things are

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Speaker 5: personal care products is huge, Like you may not be

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Speaker 5: able to control your dorm and everything in that environment.

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Speaker 5: Get an air filter, use clean products, and then dyet.

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Speaker 5: You know you're not cooking in your kitchen, but do

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Speaker 5: as much as you can to eat clean, avoid inflammatory foods, sugar,

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Speaker 5: food dye. Those are the big things that are going

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Speaker 5: to stress your immune system. And I find so many

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Speaker 5: kids that go to college there are moldy dorm rooms.

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Speaker 5: And so if you go to college and you're getting really,

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Speaker 5: really really sick and you've never been the sick kid,

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Speaker 5: press into that, maybe consider alternative housing options. Only if

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Speaker 5: you're the person that is like having highs and breakouts

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Speaker 5: that's not normal.

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Speaker 3: What should some wellness non negotiables be for anyone, no

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Speaker 3: matter what your budget.

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Speaker 4: Is, Eat clean, get back to basics. Eat real food again.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be the healthy cookies or the

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Speaker 4: healthy chips. Just eat real food.

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Speaker 5: Eat ground beef, eat avocado, eat eggs. You can also

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Speaker 5: find ways to buy it in bulk. That would be

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Speaker 5: a really big thing that I would say. Clean up

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Speaker 5: the products in your home again. You can make your

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Speaker 5: own laundry detergent, you can use vinegar. It does not

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Speaker 5: have to be these beautiful, non toxic brands. But I'm

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Speaker 5: thankful for brands out there because I'm not diying it

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Speaker 5: all the time. But yeah, just get back to those

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Speaker 5: basics of eating an environment, especially the things you come

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Speaker 5: into contact with or consume on a daily basis, Like

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Speaker 5: your coffee.

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Speaker 4: Clean up your coffee.

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Speaker 5: Stop going to Starbucks and getting the lattes with all

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Speaker 5: the crap and all the junk and all the sugar.

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Speaker 4: Figure out a cleaner way to do it at home.

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Speaker 3: What is a realistic, non toxic morning routine for a mom?

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Speaker 5: Okay, so again, it's so different, and I'm a mom.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sitting here saying that I have this twelve

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Speaker 5: step routine.

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Speaker 4: I really think it depends on the day.

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Speaker 5: But if you can get up even just twenty minutes

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Speaker 5: before your kids, like set your alarm, that can set

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Speaker 5: the tone for the day. So that's what I do

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Speaker 5: if I really need a moment to myself in the mornings.

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Speaker 5: A lot of times our kids crawl in bed with them,

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Speaker 5: they with us, and they sleep with us. So sometimes

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Speaker 5: I'm like Ninja ing out of the bed to creep

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Speaker 5: to the bathroom.

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Speaker 4: Like do they hear me?

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Speaker 5: But I would do personally for me. I love brushing

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Speaker 5: my teeth, tongue scraping. I love my face roller that

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Speaker 5: just like.

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Speaker 3: It wakes me up for the day, the skinning Confidential

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Speaker 3: face roller.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm straight out of the freezer. Yeah, straight out

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Speaker 4: of the freezer. You gotta do the freezer.

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Speaker 5: And then I like walking outside, whether it's light out

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Speaker 5: or not. I put my feet in the grass, I

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Speaker 5: take some deep breaths. My husband goes to get the newspaper,

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Speaker 5: I'll walk out with them and just ground, you know,

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Speaker 5: just really calming myself before the day starts in the

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Speaker 5: crazy with work, in kids, in life.

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Speaker 4: And then I love lemon water in the morning.

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Speaker 7: I love.

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Speaker 5: I'm a tea girly, so I'll drink tea, but I

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Speaker 5: usually do electrolytes in the morning because you're dehydrated after

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Speaker 5: So it's drinking my electrolytes, getting a little bit of

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Speaker 5: fresh air, sunshine, and then if I'm lucky, I get

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Speaker 5: some quiet time and I just spend time with the

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Speaker 5: Lord and prepare my heart for the day and everything

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Speaker 5: that I have to do. Now that doesn't happen every morning,

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Speaker 5: Let's be honest. Sometimes the kids are like, I'm hungry

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Speaker 5: and I'm awake. But you can also incorporate your kids

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Speaker 5: into this routine. If your kid's up great, you know.

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Speaker 5: My kids are like, Mom, do you want your face roller?

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Speaker 5: And they'll get it for me, and then we'll all

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Speaker 5: go outside and then we'll all eat a healthy breakfast

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Speaker 5: and we'll take our vitamins together. So it is nice

650
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Speaker 5: to have solo time, especially my quiet time in the morning.

651
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Speaker 5: Sometimes it doesn't happen, and you just incorporate your kids

652
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Speaker 5: and you bring them in on whatever you're doing and

653
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Speaker 5: invite them in.

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Speaker 3: Why should we be drinking electrolytes every day?

655
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Speaker 5: Most people are dehydrated at a cellular level, even if

656
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Speaker 5: they're drinking enough water, we don't have the proper minerals

657
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Speaker 5: and electrolytes within our body, sodium, potassium to get that

658
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Speaker 5: hydration into the cells. And so that is why most

659
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Speaker 5: people when they drink electrolytes, they feel a difference because

660
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Speaker 5: it has proper potassium, sodium, and magnesium.

661
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Speaker 3: So somebody could drink water every day and still be dehydrated,

662
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Speaker 3: and it's because their water has no minerals in.

663
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Speaker 5: It and they're just their cells or just like zach absorbing. Yes,

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Speaker 5: And so most people feel a difference when they take electrolytes.

665
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Speaker 5: And I will say most women. And I know this

666
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Speaker 5: from testing. This isn't just opinions or feelings or my

667
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Speaker 5: personal story. I've tested thousands of patients over the years.

668
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Speaker 5: I do nutrient testing. Almost every single woman is deficient

669
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Speaker 5: and magnesium. And so when you have electrolytes that have magnesium,

670
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Speaker 5: you're gonna feel a difference because you're fine tuning what

671
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Speaker 5: your body is depleted of.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, magnesium is a game changer. And is that the

673
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Speaker 3: number one supplement that you sell?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? For sure?

675
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Speaker 3: Wow, because people just automatically notice the difference at.

676
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Speaker 7: Least with that.

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Speaker 4: Well, then so many are deficient. I mean not just women.

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Speaker 5: You know, I've worked with a lot of NFL players

679
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Speaker 5: and professional athletes, a lot of breastfeeding moms. They burn

680
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Speaker 5: through their B vitamins and their magnesium so quickly, and

681
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Speaker 5: so that's the trend that I saw on testing. It's

682
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Speaker 5: usually women or people that are super athletics, so that's

683
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Speaker 5: why people cramp up. You know, you need magnesium.

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Speaker 3: What is the trickiest indoctrination for moms to overcome that

685
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Speaker 3: is ingrained in them from traditional medicine.

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Speaker 5: I would have to say, jabs. It's one of those

687
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Speaker 5: things that you just do what you're told. And I

688
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 5: think a lot of mon go to the two month visit,

689
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Speaker 5: the four month visit, the six month visit, and their

690
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Speaker 5: gut is telling them, don't do it, don't do it,

691
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Speaker 5: But then they're fear mongered, and then they're having to

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Speaker 5: get all of these things to stay on schedule. And

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Speaker 5: the reality is is I always say to moms, you

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Speaker 5: are your child's best advocate. You know your child best.

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Speaker 5: If something doesn't feel right, press into that motherly instinct.

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Speaker 5: God gave us that for a reason. Do research, read

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Speaker 5: the inserts, educate yourself. If you feel like you're going

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Speaker 5: against the grain, but something in you is wanting you

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Speaker 5: to look further into it.

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Speaker 8: Do it.

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Speaker 3: And you were in the traditional medicine world as a nurse,

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Speaker 3: what were some of the most shocking things you saw

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Speaker 3: when it came to the childhood's schedule.

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Speaker 5: Well, I have a perfect story for this, and this

705
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Speaker 5: is something that I have never shared publicly, but I

706
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Speaker 5: think this is really important and this was a huge

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Speaker 5: factor that my husband and I considered when we were

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Speaker 5: taking our children's health into consideration. And I have to

709
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Speaker 5: mind you, I did not know where I stood on

710
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Speaker 5: the schedule at this point and being up to date

711
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Speaker 5: and you know, all the routine visits, I didn't know

712
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Speaker 5: where I stood. I just knew that I had a

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Speaker 5: health journey that that had affected me. My husband was

714
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Speaker 5: an ACE pilot, he had been given a lot before

715
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 5: going to Afghanistan had all these reactions, so we knew

716
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Speaker 5: individually that we had our own personal experience with that,

717
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Speaker 5: but we didn't know where we stood with our kids.

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Speaker 5: We want them to live a normal life. We want

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Speaker 5: them to go to church, we want them to you know,

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Speaker 5: we want them to live normal lives. And we didn't

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Speaker 5: know what that looked like as a nurse. I was

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Speaker 5: in nurse practitioners school and I did a pediatric rotation

723
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Speaker 5: at a practice, and I will never forget the doctor saying, hey,

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Speaker 5: if you ever want to own a practice someday, which

725
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Speaker 5: I did, but I knew I wanted to do integrative

726
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Speaker 5: medicine at this point, and so I'll never forget the

727
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Speaker 5: pediatrician said, come in if you want to own your

728
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Speaker 5: own practice. There's a financial side of things that you

729
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Speaker 5: need to learn as a business person, not just the

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Speaker 5: clinical side of care.

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Speaker 4: So I went in that morning. I went in early, and.

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Speaker 5: I got to see the new wrap from the new

733
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Speaker 5: company come in. They were installing the fridge, and he

734
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Speaker 5: was talking about when parents come in and want to

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Speaker 5: space things apart, you're going to lose money.

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Speaker 4: You have to give it.

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Speaker 5: Because people can say I want to do a delayed

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Speaker 5: schedule or you know, I want to just do one

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Speaker 5: at a time.

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Speaker 4: He basically said, don't let them do that. You're going

741
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Speaker 4: to lose money.

742
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Speaker 5: They're going to expire, you're going to lose revenue, and

743
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Speaker 5: you need to keep things on date. And so when

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Speaker 5: I saw that conversation, I just like I had to

745
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Speaker 5: check in my spirit, and I'm like, what on earth?

746
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Speaker 5: So there's a whole for profit side that no one

747
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Speaker 5: sees unless you really own your own practice.

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Speaker 3: And so is that why they threaten to kick you

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Speaker 3: out as a patient if you do not adhere to

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Speaker 3: that schedule.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've had a lot of friends kicked out of

752
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Speaker 5: pediatric practices because they're not willing to do what the

753
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Speaker 5: providers want. So then they have to either find alternatives

754
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 5: or they feel like they're in the dark and they're

755
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Speaker 5: scared that they can't get wellness care for their kids,

756
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Speaker 5: and they freak out when there's a sick visit. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: I've had plenty of friends kicked out of practices. That

758
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Speaker 5: conversation that I saw was just one of the most unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: You just realize that there's a whole another side of things,

760
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Speaker 5: and then not to mention, you know, as a provider.

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Speaker 4: So it's called CPT code.

762
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Speaker 5: So every visit that you have, you can bill insurance,

763
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Speaker 5: So you get to bill for certain codes to get.

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Speaker 4: Reimburse for certain procedures. And so say it's maybe ten dollars.

765
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Speaker 5: I'm just generally hypothetically speaking, say it's ten dollars per

766
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Speaker 5: individual administration.

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Speaker 4: But when you're at a two month.

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Speaker 5: Oled visit and a four month old visit and a

769
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Speaker 5: six month old visit, you're not just getting one, you're

770
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Speaker 5: getting combos. So you're getting eight to nine in one visit,

771
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Speaker 5: So that turns out to be one hundred dollars, and

772
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Speaker 5: then you do that all throughout your well check, so

773
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Speaker 5: it could be fifteen hundred dollars.

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Speaker 3: A kid.

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Speaker 5: Providers that are not doing that are losing a lot

776
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Speaker 5: of money because there's a financial incentive to submit that

777
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Speaker 5: coding to get that reimbursement.

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Speaker 3: Every single mother in America needs to hear what you

779
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Speaker 3: just said.

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Speaker 4: That's what I feel so strongly about this.

781
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Speaker 5: And this is not something I've talked about because honestly,

782
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Speaker 5: a fear of losing my license. I've had a private practice,

783
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 5: and but the reality is is there is a side

784
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Speaker 5: and I just tell moms, I'm like, go with your gut.

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Speaker 5: And it's not just the jab itself, it's also what

786
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Speaker 5: else is in it? What are the inactive ingredients. There's aluminum,

787
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Speaker 5: there's formaldehyde, there's mercury, there's aborted fetal cells in some

788
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 5: of these, you know, jabs, And so that's what people

789
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 5: don't realize and they're neurotoxic.

790
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Speaker 4: And I think the big question to ask is, well,

791
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Speaker 4: our kids healthier than they were?

792
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Speaker 5: And yeah, we're not seeing some of these rates of

793
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Speaker 5: some of these diseases that we're preventing. But if you

794
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 5: actually look at the timeline, herd immunity kicked into place,

795
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 5: so by the time the issue was.

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Speaker 4: On the decline.

797
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 3: Is when we offer that, yes.

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Speaker 5: By the time it's manufactured in out, it's either on

799
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Speaker 5: the decline or it's extinct. So everyone wants to give

800
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Speaker 5: glory to these things that have eradicated it, but the

801
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 5: reality is if you look at the timeline of when

802
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Speaker 5: they came out and when things were on the decline.

803
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Speaker 5: So I just say to moms, like you are your

804
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Speaker 5: child's best advocate, you know your child best kids are

805
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 5: not healthier than they were years ago. We're seeing allergies, asthma,

806
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 5: skin issues, ear infections, everything is skyrocketing. And you know

807
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 5: something that really made me question things as a nurse

808
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Speaker 5: is when I would be in my baby rotation, my

809
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Speaker 5: ob rotation, and I would see these newborns get yanks

810
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 5: from their mothers and then they'd get a jab of

811
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Speaker 5: hepatitis B and the only way that you can track

812
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 5: that is either through dirty needles like drug users, or

813
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Speaker 5: through intercourse. And in my mind, just common sense, why

814
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Speaker 5: are we giving this to a newborn and their liver

815
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 5: and filtering this on day one of their life and

816
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 5: then they're swept away from their mom. They're getting antibiotics

817
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 5: in their eyes the ointment, which is so normal, it's

818
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 5: routine unless you advocate for yourself and you say you

819
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Speaker 5: don't want that. But the reason they're getting that that

820
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Speaker 5: is because if the mom has STDs, well, guess what

821
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Speaker 5: you have to in your pregnancy by state law, you

822
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Speaker 5: have to test for STDs. So most people do not

823
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Speaker 5: have STDs. And so why are we giving this every

824
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 5: child even if we know that their mother does not

825
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 5: have STDs. It's just a part of the system. And

826
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 5: guess what, there's a code that they can submit for

827
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Speaker 5: insurance to be remverse for those procedures. So that really

828
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Speaker 5: started to make me wonder, why are we doing this

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Speaker 5: to literally a ten minute old baby.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to turning Point tonight. We're together, we are

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Speaker 1: charting the course of America's cultural comeback. My name is

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Speaker 1: job Bob. Thanks so much for sticking with us. I

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Speaker 1: this clip from me fantastically revealing podcast that Senator Elizabeth

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Speaker 1: Warren was on not all that long ago, talking about

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Speaker 1: whether or not Joe Biden was mentally capable and mentally

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Speaker 1: up to the job. Watch this.

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Speaker 7: Do you regret saying that President Biden had a mental acutity,

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Speaker 7: He had a sharpness to him. You said that up

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Speaker 7: until July of last.

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Speaker 9: Year, I said what I believed to be true.

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Speaker 7: And do you think he was as sharp as you?

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Speaker 9: I said I had not seen decline, and I hadn't

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Speaker 9: at that point.

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Speaker 7: You did not see any decline from twenty twenty four

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Speaker 7: Joe Biden to twenty twenty one Joe Biden.

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Speaker 9: When I said that, you know, the thing is heap. Look,

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Speaker 9: he was sharp, he was on his feet. I saw

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Speaker 9: him live event, I had meetings with him a couple

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Speaker 9: of times.

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Speaker 7: Senator on his feet is not praise. He can speak

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Speaker 7: in sentences is.

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Speaker 9: Not praise fair enough, fair enough, look it is the

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Speaker 9: question is what are we going to do?

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Speaker 7: Okay, that was painful.

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Speaker 1: Also, who is on her team that didn't like tell her, hey,

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Speaker 1: this is how you should answer these questions like how

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Speaker 1: did they not have a discussion about how they're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about this because it's all clear and out there.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they weren't prepared to go into it with a

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Speaker 1: friendly interview like this, but one good for that guy

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Speaker 1: for pushing it in two just like the body language.

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Speaker 6: Like be more prepared.

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Speaker 1: Liz Warren, you're a US senator, you're a Harvard professor.

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Speaker 1: I figured you'd be on top of your game on

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Speaker 1: this one. But the oh god man, I could think

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Speaker 1: of people who were way less confident that could get

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Speaker 1: out of that interview better than that. Anyways, that it's

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Speaker 1: gonna do it for us here at turning Points, and

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Speaker 1: I'd have a great weekend, spend some time with family.

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Speaker 1: Click off the news, and we'll see you back here

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Speaker 1: on Monday, same time, same place. God bless America.

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Speaker 6: Okay, we are here with my friends Cliff and Stuart

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Speaker 6: connect late. It's been a while, guys. Good to see

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Speaker 6: about Yeah, and the world is different I think in

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Speaker 6: a little bit of a better place than when we

881
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Speaker 6: were meeting back. And why would that be, Charlie, I

882
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Speaker 6: have no idea the weather, that's why it is bright. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: but really enjoyed spending time with you guys. And you

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Speaker 6: both go to college campuses in a similar fashion that

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Speaker 6: I do, and if the audience is not aware of it,

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Speaker 6: you go and kind of hold court and you sometimes

887
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Speaker 6: go for multiple days in a row. Is that right?

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Speaker 6: You guys go for you know, two, three, four days.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we're trying to shorten it now so we get

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Speaker 8: to more schools, is that right? But he used to

891
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Speaker 8: always be four.

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Speaker 6: And so just to remind the audience, how did you

893
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Speaker 6: guys get into this? I mean obviously started with you

894
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Speaker 6: going on these campuses speaking to students. It's been multiple decades.

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Speaker 10: Well, I think that was probably before you were born,

896
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Speaker 10: that's right. The first time I did open the air

897
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Speaker 10: was during an intervarsity Beach of Angelism project in Fort Laudadale,

898
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Speaker 10: Florida in nineteen eighty and stood up on the beach

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Speaker 10: there with the innivarsity students and began to preach, and

900
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Speaker 10: people hopped off their towels, and I found out real

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Speaker 10: quick quickly. They didn't want to hear a sermon, but

902
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Speaker 10: they wanted to show me what a fool I was

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Speaker 10: for believing in Jesus, And so we developed the dialogue method.

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Speaker 10: They just would fire questions and I would answer, and

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Speaker 10: then we started I'll never forget. The first campus was

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Speaker 10: sunny Albany up in upstate New York. Yeah, and just

907
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Speaker 10: haven't stopped since.

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Speaker 6: So this open air. I liked that term. And how

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Speaker 6: do you get drug drug into there? You were raised

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Speaker 6: going to these.

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Speaker 8: Raised, going to these Yeah, go drive to school every

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Speaker 8: morning in the car. He would definitely put on the

913
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Speaker 8: hot seat answer some of these tough questions, and then

914
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Speaker 8: went to seminary, and naturally his flowed.

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Speaker 6: Do what do you think is doing this for the

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Speaker 6: last couple of years? What trends are you seeing on

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Speaker 6: these campuses? Good? Bad, troubling, promising.

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Speaker 8: Very good, shockingly good?

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Speaker 6: Tell us more.

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Speaker 8: I wish I could. I still can't figure it out, honestly,

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Speaker 8: because they get that question a lot, and I think

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Speaker 8: there's a meaning crisis. A lot of these students don't

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Speaker 8: know what their meaning and purpose in life is objectively,

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Speaker 8: So when we ask them that, there's a lot of ooh, pauses,

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Speaker 8: and so a lot of these students are coming out.

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Speaker 8: They also see that there's something wrong. There's been something

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Speaker 8: wrong over the last however many years, whether it be political,

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Speaker 8: whether it be their parents having divorce, whether it be

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Speaker 8: a psychological health issue. I think they're just waking up

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Speaker 8: to that there's something wrong. There's been something wrong in

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Speaker 8: our nation. What is it? And we think that God

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Speaker 8: could potentially offers some answers.

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Speaker 6: The long period of time you've been seeing it, you

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Speaker 6: think things are not more promising in the last couple

935
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Speaker 6: of years, meaning more people are interested, more people are stopping,

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Speaker 6: more people are asking questions.

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Speaker 7: A bit.

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Speaker 10: It fluctuates, and over the past forty four years, I've

939
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Speaker 10: seen a lot of ups and downs. The questions have

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Speaker 10: remained consistently the same, But the emotions, I think is

941
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Speaker 10: really what are different. I think there's a big difference

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Speaker 10: between my dad, who, at the age of eighteen a

943
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Speaker 10: gun in the Alps in Switzerland, part of the Swiss Army,

944
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Speaker 10: as he watched Hitler's Panzer divisions come up and stop

945
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Speaker 10: right on the border of Switzerland. A lot of difference

946
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Speaker 10: emotionally between that versus people who have to go to

947
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Speaker 10: a crying room to work through who won the last election.

948
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Speaker 10: That is a big shift emotionally. So I'm very grateful

949
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Speaker 10: for Stuart and for his emotional sensitivity, his counseling background,

950
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Speaker 10: because we have to be sharp in how we address people,

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Speaker 10: not just intellectually, but emotionally as well.

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Speaker 6: Do you see an increased amount of curiosity from these

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Speaker 6: students trying to pursue truth and meaning.

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Speaker 10: I don't know. I debated Madelin Murie o Hare years

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Speaker 10: ago at the University of Texas Austin, and there was

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Speaker 10: a lot of intellectual curiosity and there was a lot

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Speaker 10: of more intense back and forth.

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Speaker 7: And that's what I miss a bit.

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Speaker 10: I miss a bit of the post Vietnam or the

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Speaker 10: Hippie movement, the free speech movement in Berkeley, where there

961
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Speaker 10: was a will to really go at it and to

962
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Speaker 10: understand that even though we are going at it, we're

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Speaker 10: not being disrespectful, but we are strongly disagreeing. So I

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Speaker 10: miss a little bit of that. That's why I was

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Speaker 10: alluding to the emotional sensitivity, and they need to be

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Speaker 10: more careful emotionally. So that's been a bit of a change.

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Speaker 6: And so you're pinpointing something promising. How do you quantify

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Speaker 6: the promising or the uplifting elements that you're witnessing? Yeah,

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Speaker 6: a lot of these.

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Speaker 2: You know, what is it?

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Speaker 8: The suicide and depression rates have risen exponentially. You have

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Speaker 8: divorce rates risen exponentially. And so I would say we

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Speaker 8: live in a therapeutic age, and we need to make

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Speaker 8: America think again more clearly because there's been so much

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Speaker 8: emotionalism and looking inward, and we know that the more

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Speaker 8: you look inward, unfortunately, the more issues you have. The

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Speaker 8: more you look outward and upward, the healthier you are.

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Speaker 8: And so people are looking for a god, some type

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Speaker 8: of God, and then they're looking outward to hopefully help

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Speaker 8: community in some kind of way, and that's when they

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Speaker 8: get the healthiest. And we know traditionally, before this therapeutic

982
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Speaker 8: age over the last five to ten years, that's what

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Speaker 8: our nation was all about. Our nation was all about

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Speaker 8: God first, nation second, and that brought great psychological health

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Speaker 8: and gave people meaning versus now they don't know who

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Speaker 8: they are with.

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Speaker 6: It is, without a doubt the sickest generation, both mentally, physically, emotionally,

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Speaker 6: nutritionally sick. Has the church stepped up to try to

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Speaker 6: offer the of course, the altimate healing, which is in Jesus.

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Speaker 6: Do you think the Church has met the moment?

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Speaker 10: Yes, in many ways, No, in other ways, I am

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Speaker 10: very very grateful for the Church. For the emphasis on

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Speaker 10: the intellect, let's think through this stuff honestly, for the

994
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Speaker 10: emphasis on emotions, let's be thoughtful and careful the way

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Speaker 10: we talk. And for the spiritual, obviously that we need

996
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Speaker 10: Christ to fill that God shaped vacuum at the center

997
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Speaker 10: of our being. And for the physical that we need

998
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Speaker 10: to get off our backsides and start feeding the hungry,

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Speaker 10: clothing the naked, visiting those sick and in prison, and

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Speaker 10: the growth in involvement with hurting people who are physically hurting,

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Speaker 10: I think is a tremendous statement. Preach Christ every day,

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Speaker 10: if necessary, use words, and I think that there's a good,

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Speaker 10: strong surge in that area.

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Speaker 6: So it's fair to say you guys are apologists? Is

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Speaker 6: that fair to say? How would you describe even what

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Speaker 6: you do to someone who doesn't know defenders of the faith?

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Speaker 8: I try, and I don't know, steer clear of the

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Speaker 8: word apologist because so many people don't know what it is.

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Speaker 8: It's such a Christianese kind of term. Okay, that's why

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Speaker 8: I steer clear of it. I try and come at

1011
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Speaker 8: it from a psychologic I'm a psychologist as well as

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Speaker 8: a pastor, as well as some type of philosophical elements.

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Speaker 8: To my speakers, I try and bring it from different

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Speaker 8: angles it