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Speaker 1: that because I identify with that? Because I can. They

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Speaker 1: port adventures, right. I love taking the twins on Disney

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Speaker 1: They are drugged and raped in the Bahamas and everybody

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Speaker 1: on Serious XM one eleven. I don't know why even

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Speaker 1: Couldn't rely on just the women's account. Why you don't

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Speaker 1: But they are? There was an angel. It was a

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Speaker 2: Listen, don Gayla, which was the one in the floor

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Speaker 2: She was coming in and out of consciousness, puking, crying, screaming.

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Speaker 1: This is Lodonna Batty, very very experienced nurse practitioner who

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Speaker 2: I was trying to get her to focus on me

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Speaker 2: then she would repeat herself, and then she would scream

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Speaker 1: This is really bringing me flashbacks of all the rape

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Speaker 2: Listen, yes, kneecaps, their knees, and their shins looked the worst.

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Speaker 1: Now, that's from an experienced nurse practitioner. Joining me right

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Speaker 3: Us, thank you for having us for sure, for sharing

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Speaker 4: For believing that the gay I do in this culture, nobody,

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Speaker 1: I believe you. I believe you, and I want justice

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Speaker 5: Their first time, because when they came in the office

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Speaker 1: So, you know, think about what you're saying. Amber If

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Speaker 5: Even smiled when they came in the.

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Speaker 1: many advisories. Don't travel to uh Syria. Let's don't go

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Speaker 1: I know everybody goes to the Bahamas for reasons, just

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Speaker 4: The beginning of our vacation was an absolute dream come true.

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Speaker 4: It was something we couldn't even begin to imagine. The

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Speaker 4: day four, we were supposed to stop in Freeport. So

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Speaker 4: when we stopped in Freeport, we are assuming that we

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Speaker 3: There's a pirate's code, and there were pamphlets on the

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. You're hearing don Gela Dobson

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Speaker 1: you're telling me that, first of all, which one of

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Speaker 1: the Carnival cruise ships. Was it Carnival Elation, right, Carnival Elation.

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Speaker 1: It was Pirate's code. Correct.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a whole guest services desk to as pamphlets

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Speaker 1: And I've always felt so safe doing that. With David

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Speaker 1: So you found out about this Pirate's cove. I've seen

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Speaker 3: It was that bus taxi and it.

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Speaker 4: Well, we were already in Freeport. It took us from

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Speaker 1: Okay, then what happened?

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Speaker 3: So we paid our taxi fees and we paid to

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Speaker 3: I just kind of went off to the left. We

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Speaker 3: qute pictures. We're on vacation. We were both gastric sleeve patients.

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Speaker 4: I just lost this is on Gala. I just lost

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Speaker 3: The week Beport we.

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Speaker 1: Went wait is this Doug Gala?

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Speaker 1: You lost one hundred and thirty five pounds. Holy moly, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I got to write that down on my fact sheet.

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Speaker 1: You need to celebrate woman and this was that? Have

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Speaker 3: It was not Amber? This is me. It was my

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Speaker 6: And Nancy, this is Nick Gershon And one thing I

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Speaker 1: Guys you're hearing, Nicholas Gerson is a high profile lawyer

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Speaker 1: for these ladies, practicing out of Miami, and you can

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Speaker 1: find him an injury attorney FLA for Florida dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Nicholas sure.

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Speaker 6: I just wanted to add to what my clients were

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Speaker 7: This excursion in the first place.

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Speaker 6: And not only did they learn about it.

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Speaker 7: On Carnival shit.

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Speaker 6: Not only were they taken away on a shuttle at

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Speaker 6: see the pamphlets, but Carnival actually markets this specific excursion

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Speaker 1: are those things? Those details stick in your head? At

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Speaker 1: Alive forever, forever. I wish I could forget some of

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Speaker 4: So I just when I say like it, I think

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting about rape victims making identifications and

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Speaker 1: Let's see where what they're going to do about it

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Speaker 3: We were taking these photos we had so we had

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean you keep saying sexy swimsuits like you

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Speaker 3: They hate comments we get often say well, if they

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Speaker 8: Everybody has a right to look good. We all have

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Speaker 3: I had a coconut, don Gela had a pineapple.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, Nicholas gersh and you better be coconut a

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Speaker 3: Let's back up before we finish. I would like to

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. Is that

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Speaker 1: I mean, what if it's a person that can't have

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00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: alcohol or for whatever reason exactly, So that's unusual, Sadie

437
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: white Locks.

438
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 4: They didn't really push it. They would ask if you

439
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 4: want to buy it, but it was already in those

440
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 4: pre made carnival cups you're talking about. They had it

441
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 4: togad there. We had to show them more id but

442
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 4: they came around the polar area as soon as we

443
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 4: got on, and it could have been a lot because

444
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 4: the bars and stuff were not yet open, because the

445
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 4: sweet rooms weren't ready. I just remember Amber and I

446
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 4: both paid thirty three dollars apiece for these drinks, discussing

447
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 4: that we poured down the sink just so we could

448
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 4: keep the cup.

449
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: So then what happens. You get the drinks, Then what happens.

450
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 3: So we get the.

451
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 4: Drinks, the pineapple drink and the coconut drink at Pirate's Cove.

452
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: Right, So this is Amber. So we get the drinks

453
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: and we're taking pictures with the drinks. We take a

454
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 3: picture with who later becomes my rapist, and then we

455
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 3: decide to get on Facebook Live. Yeah, so we're in

456
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: the Caribbean. We're on Facebook Live. We're stumbling around like

457
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: we're showing everybody, and you know, like we said, just

458
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 3: twenty minutes prior we were, we had just talked to

459
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 3: our family and friends. We had just facetimed our kids

460
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 3: through Facebook Messenger.

461
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you think this is only a four day cruise, right, Yeah?

462
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: Well you know you think what can go wrong in

463
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: four days?

464
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 7: Yeah?

465
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: Five days, four nights, gotcha. We were on.

466
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 3: My Facebook Live and Don Gaela and I were in

467
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 3: the ocean and we were She like fell in the

468
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,239
Speaker 3: water and I was like, oh my gosh, she's had

469
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 3: she's had one too many.

470
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: You know, but you only had one.

471
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: But we had only had one.

472
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 4: But as gash sleet patients, when Wednesday we've had a

473
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 4: drink to many, we've literally.

474
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 3: Mean at a drink.

475
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 4: Too many, not a beverage.

476
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know what you're what

477
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: you what you mean by that?

478
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 3: Like literally, when we say a drink too many, we

479
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: mean one drink, like we have to gotch it, We

480
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 3: have to sit, we can't hug, we have to drink

481
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 3: very slowly. When you say you've overeaten, we say a

482
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 3: bite too many, because it's literally one bitees the difference

483
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: between being okay and vomiting.

484
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, now I understand. So these this drink

485
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: really affected you?

486
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 3: Yes, so essentially gastric sleeve is part of what saved

487
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: our lives because we had to volmit so much.

488
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 4: And my Sonach only holds a cup right now.

489
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: And even so, even with the gasic sleeve surgery, you

490
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: still had enough in you to completely black out. Yes,

491
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: that must have been a very very powerful drink.

492
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 4: Okay, so let's go back to that drink.

493
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: Yes, let's do it.

494
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 4: Turns out drinks, We'll just say they contained very little,

495
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 4: if any alcohol. That's and I'll leave it at that.

496
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: There must have been something very powerful in those drinks.

497
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: Do you believe Amber and on Gala that the drugs

498
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: were in the drink?

499
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 4: Most certainly. That's the only thing that we had to

500
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 4: eat or drink the whole entire day. It's the only

501
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 4: besides the coffee that we got before we left it.

502
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 4: I mean, I felt fine.

503
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 3: I agree. We had a coffee. We were fine, we took.

504
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 4: A video, we were fine.

505
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: We were fine until we had those drinks. Within minutes of.

506
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 4: Drinking, probably fifteen twenty minute those.

507
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: Drinks, we were suddenly in the ocean on Facebook live,

508
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: and our family and friends were messaging.

509
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 4: Us and calling us like, are you sure you're okay?

510
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 3: Are you sure you're house drinks. If you really had

511
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: like there's there's no way, let me.

512
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: Go to your lawyer, a high profile lawyer out of Miami,

513
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: Nicholas Gerson, injury Attorney, Florida FLA dot Com Nicholas. What

514
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: they're saying can easily be verified with receipts on those

515
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: cruise ships. They know what you charge to your room,

516
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: they know what buffet you went to. They know everything

517
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: because it's all computerized. When you get a drink or

518
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: anything at those resorts, there is a digital record of everything.

519
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: So if they had coffee before they went to Pirate's Cove,

520
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: a Carnival sponsored port adventure, and they get there and

521
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: all they have a drink, there's evidence of that if

522
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: it's not destroyed. Nicholas.

523
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 7: That's correct.

524
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 6: Typically on a cruise ship, you're given something called the

525
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 6: sailing sign card, which is used to document everything that

526
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 6: you purpose purchase on a cruise ship. In this particular scenario,

527
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 6: I don't believe that the sailing sign card would have

528
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 6: any information as to what.

529
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 7: Was used at the resort. But what we do know.

530
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 6: From our preliminary investigation is that there was a toxicology

531
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 6: investigation conducted. There was a year analysis taken, there was

532
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 6: blood obtained, and we've actually asked for that information from Carnival.

533
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 6: We've asked Carnival to provide us with the lab work,

534
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 6: with the reports, and the response that we've received essentially

535
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 6: is none. They told us via letter just the other

536
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 6: day that they received our preservation of evidence letter, which

537
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 6: is a letter that we typically sent out in any

538
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 6: sort of cruise ship incident, especially involving rape or sexual assault,

539
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 6: and we've asked them to not only preserve whatever evidence

540
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 6: they have, but to provide us with copies of the

541
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 6: records that they possess for our clients. They're not entitled

542
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 6: to just withhold the information, and more often than not,

543
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 6: what lawyers like me are required to do would be

544
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 6: to actually file a lawsuit just to obtain some of

545
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 6: the preliminary information because they don't or they won't provide

546
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 6: it to us voluntarily. So, to answer your question, we

547
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 6: believe that there is going to be forensic evidence that

548
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 6: will not only corroborate what my clients are telling you

549
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 6: what happened to them, but there will also be forensic

550
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 6: evidence and reports that document what drugs.

551
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 7: Were in their system.

552
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 6: And it should also be noted that when the toxicology

553
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 6: was conducted.

554
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 7: I don't believe that it was conducted.

555
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 6: We're still trying to find out what time all this

556
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 6: information was when the investigation took place, but it was

557
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 6: many hours after the incident. So in cruisive crime cases,

558
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 6: there's often a delay in reporting, and there's a delay

559
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 6: in the cruise lines investigation into what happened, and they

560
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 6: just use that to their benefit as a strategic advantage

561
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 6: to try to discount what passengers or people on their vessels,

562
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 6: or in this case, what my clients say happened to

563
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 6: them in the Bahamas didn't take place.

564
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: You know, another issue you're going to have to battle,

565
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,719
Speaker 1: Nicholas Gerson is lack on witnesses in that on cruise ships,

566
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: when everybody gets off that boat, they're gone. You can't

567
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: put Humpty Dumpty back together again. You can't find all

568
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: those people, Which makes these toxicology reports that more important

569
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: because you're going to be relying on them. And I

570
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,959
Speaker 1: can tell you one thing from trying more cases than

571
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: I can think, and I can count the fact that

572
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: they haven't handed it over pronto. There's a reason they

573
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: haven't given it to you. Of course there is I

574
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: can only imagine why. Guys with me is Nicholas Gerson,

575
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: who is the lawyer for Amber and Doniela. Okay, so

576
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: you're out in the water, you're facetiming live with your

577
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: family and they're like, what is wrong with you? Mom?

578
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: And they notice something is wrong. What's your next memory?

579
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 4: I remember we decided we needed to get out of water.

580
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 4: We had to get out of the water.

581
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: Both here that something's going to happen, because if we

582
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 3: can't even stand up in this water and like, we're

583
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: gonna die.

584
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 4: So we get out of the water and we decide,

585
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 4: you know, let's go look for shells for our kids.

586
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 4: Let's see if we could find any of the cute

587
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 4: little clunch shells or whole pieces. And I did actually

588
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 4: find a small piece of a broken cunch shell that

589
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 4: is absolutely beautiful. And so the resort worker, he's still

590
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 4: with us at this time, and he's telling us, Oh,

591
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 4: I know exactly where to find them. They're just right

592
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 4: over here. Come follow me and I'll show you.

593
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: Oh that's just hurting me to hear it say the whitelocks.

594
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: You are a travel editor for dailymail dot Com, one

595
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: of the biggest websites in the world. I mean, this

596
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: is so obvious, asking them do you want to pose

597
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: for a commercial? For Hey, I know where some shells are.

598
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: Follow me. It's so obvious. They give the ladies the

599
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: drink and then they lure them away.

600
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 9: It's so hot though, like when they're dressed in a

601
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 9: uniform as well. You put your trust in workers and

602
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 9: you're at a resort, so it's obvious in hindsight, but

603
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 9: at the time it's difficult.

604
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, so obviously a ploy. And this is one of

605
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: the red flags travelers, ladies especially to watch out for you.

606
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: Hear Amber and Don Guilla, the guys saying, hey, do

607
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: you want to be in a commercial? Do you want

608
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: to be in a promo? Shoot bs B s? And

609
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: then hey, I know where some really good shells are. Okay,

610
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: So then what happens, ladies?

611
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 3: The next thing we know, I wake up to being raped.

612
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 4: This is Amber talking.

613
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 3: I wake up and I'm being raped, and I grabbed

614
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 3: the tree in front of me. I pulled myself up

615
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: and I run. I'm just running.

616
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, what do you mean the next

617
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: thing you know, you were being raped. You're outdoors. You

618
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: said you reached up and grabbed a tree. You were

619
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: raped outdoors? This is reminded me of Natalie Holloway so much.

620
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, we were.

621
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 9: At the beach was still in view.

622
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: There's a little bushy area with trees that's right, like

623
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 3: the tree line of the beach. We were right there

624
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 3: and I woke up to being raped.

625
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: What was the first thing you saw?

626
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 3: The first thing that I could see was the ocean

627
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 3: in front of me, so I know I wasn't far

628
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 3: from where I started.

629
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: Was the perpetrator on top of you or behind you?

630
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: He was behind me, so he was raping you from behind?

631
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: Did you see his face when I got up?

632
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: Yes? I did.

633
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: You got up, you turned around and you looked at him.

634
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 3: Correct before I ran away? Yes, I did.

635
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: Is your rapist the same guy that first approached you

636
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 1: wearing a resort uniform?

637
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.

638
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: He the one of the same. The same was that

639
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: in the picture that you took, Yes, ma'am.

640
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 3: Were you I was screaming for don Gaela. I wanted

641
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 3: to find her. I was screaming Doug Gala Gaiter, which

642
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: is my nickname for her, is gaitor, and I was

643
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 3: looking for she was coming around a vand on the

644
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: beach and I found her, and we've got to run.

645
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: We've got to run, We've got to run, We've got

646
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: to go. We got to get to the bathroom. I

647
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 3: remember there was an attendant in the bathroom.

648
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, did you still have on your swimsuit?

649
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: Yes, it was half to the side. I didn't care, so.

650
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: He y ain't your swimsuit to the side so he

651
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: could rape you vaginally?

652
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 3: I had vaginal and anal penetration.

653
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: So you take off running with your swimsuit all twisted

654
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: around you. Yes, I mean right there. What woman would

655
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: run out on the beach in that condition. Now you're

656
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: telling me that you were screaming for don Gela as

657
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: you call her Gaiter, and then you.

658
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 3: Saw her, Yeah, I seen her. I grabbed her arm,

659
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: and it was one of those where we were so

660
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 3: drugged you can't think. You have to make yourself think,

661
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: you have to make your body move, you have to

662
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 3: make yourself do anything, because you have no control over anything,

663
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: I mean none.

664
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: Then what happened.

665
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: We forced ourself. I'm basically dragging Gator to the bathroom

666
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 3: where we had seen the attendant because I knew there

667
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 3: was another staff member there. And then I remember both

668
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 3: of us vomiting and the toilet, and then I don't

669
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: remember anything. They said, Don Gaela was blacked out on

670
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 3: the floor and I was still vomiting when they arrived.

671
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: You mean that the nurse the.

672
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 3: FNP, La Donna, Apparently she had taken care of the

673
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 3: attendant earlier in the day and she had had a sprain,

674
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 3: ankle or a stept at me. I can't remember what

675
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 3: Lo Donna had told me, but she thought La Donna

676
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: was a doctor, so she went and got Lo Donna.

677
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: The nurse practitioner who was on the trip. Yes, ma'am, okay,

678
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: hold on, let me back up, Don Guiella, I don't

679
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: know where the second perp, where did he come from?

680
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: Tell me what happened from your perspective. After you guys

681
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: were kind of falling in the water, what happened with you?

682
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 4: So, like we has said, we decided we're going to

683
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 4: get out. My mom had a message to me that

684
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 4: she was extremely concerned about hers, but I told her,

685
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 4: I think, you know, we just didn't drink. The alcohol

686
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 4: must be hitting this a little harder, but it's okay, mom,

687
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 4: We're going to get out of the water. We're just

688
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 4: going to kind of lay on the beach, kind of

689
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 4: take it easy. We're not going to be doing too

690
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 4: much more today, like we're this has got the wear

691
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 4: off because we can't feel like this. And then I

692
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 4: remember this guy, he's showing us where the conch shells are.

693
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 4: I wanted to so stupid. I just wanted them for

694
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 4: my kids to take them back home, shells from the Bohmbers.

695
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, you are now hearing Don Gela Dobson.

696
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: You've heard Amber. You're hearing Don Gela and Hey really quickly,

697
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: Nicholas Gurson before I forget not that I have to

698
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: tell you this. You're the high profile lawyer, but you

699
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: have saved all of those emails, texts, video that your

700
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: clients were sending back and forth home, because I find

701
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: it very probative that even their families are like, what

702
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: is wrong with you?

703
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 8: Mom?

704
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: I've never seen you like tripping over like this? Right

705
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: you preserved all that.

706
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 6: Of course right now, and I don't want i'll'll just

707
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 6: to add is that we're collecting as much evidence as

708
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 6: we can from parties and non parties to help pursue

709
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 6: our clients.

710
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: Kep Okay, of course you have and that's why you've

711
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: got a great sterling reputation. You're gathering at all all

712
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: as I like to call it, the amo that you're

713
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: going to fire right at Pirate's Cove and specifically the

714
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: rapist back to Don Giella Dobson. And you know these ladies,

715
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: you think they like sharing their rapes and their humiliation,

716
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: their embarrassment when they look back on what happened. No,

717
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: are doing it because they don't want it to happen

718
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: to other women. Time Stories with Nancy Grace Don Gel. Okay,

719
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 1: so you're out in the water chipping around. You're then

720
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: what happens, and.

721
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 4: We decide we're gonna get out. We draw off, We're

722
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 4: gonna go look for some seashells. So I put my

723
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 4: bag up at the top of the like there's like

724
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 4: a table area, and I leave my bag there while

725
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 4: we go look for shells because I don't want to

726
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 4: drag my tails and everything. We're not gonna be gone

727
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 4: that long. We're just going to look for a couple

728
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 4: of shells. Yeah, And I remember we get over to

729
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 4: that side, and I remember seeing a couple of other tourists,

730
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 4: not very many it, I mean, it's February. It's not

731
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 4: necessarily peak season right now. And then I remember seeing

732
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 4: two other guys in uniforms, staff members in their uniforms

733
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 4: walking the beach. They weren't walking like side by side

734
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 4: that they kind of were walking, you know, just up

735
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 4: and down. And I didn't think of anything of it.

736
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 4: I mean, I thought I was normal that they would

737
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 4: be patrolling the beach. And the next thing I know,

738
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 4: I'm waking up to sternalm rubs in the security office.

739
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 4: I don't even remember the bathroom.

740
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: What do you mean by sternam rubs?

741
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 3: So, sternal rube is what we do to a patient

742
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 3: to kind of bring them to when a patient is fading.

743
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 3: So what you do is you make a fifth and

744
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 3: you use your knuckles, you place it in the middle

745
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: of the sternum and you rub as hard as you can.

746
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: And that's what they kept doing to Donela and I

747
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: to keep bringing us back because we kept fading away.

748
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: Were such bad shape. What are you are you, guys, nurses.

749
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: I'm in the medical field.

750
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 9: Donela is not.

751
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to take in everything you're saying. So

752
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 1: don Gela, you come to, for lack of a better phrase,

753
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: you're lying in the floor. Are you still in your swimsuit?

754
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 4: Yes?

755
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: And how do you know you were raped?

756
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 4: I have a brief, very brief recollection of being pushed

757
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 4: down and then face for I'm sorry, face forward, and

758
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 4: remember a glimpse of his face. But he just had

759
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 4: this distinctive face.

760
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: He was he was.

761
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 4: An older gentleman, and he had like a goatee, and

762
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 4: it's I don't know how I remember this, but I

763
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 4: thank God each and every day I was able to

764
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 4: remember that.

765
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: So you saw his face.

766
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 4: I saw his face in daylight, in daylight, and you

767
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 4: were not.

768
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: Wearing glasses or any type of corrective contacts. No, how

769
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: close was he to you when.

770
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 4: You saw his face, maybe two foot.

771
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: Well see in front of you or behind you? Did

772
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: you have to turn to look at him?

773
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 4: I know that he was behind me at some point,

774
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 4: but when I saw his face, he was in front

775
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 4: of me.

776
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: In front of you, standing on top of you.

777
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, like walk walking past me, like as we were

778
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 4: looking for shelves, and then like then I remember him

779
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 4: pushing me down. So I seen him in front of me,

780
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 4: but I by the time he pushed me down, like

781
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 4: I no longer could see him. And I don't. I

782
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 4: don't know any anything else, like I said, until we

783
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 4: get to the security office at pirates Co. I don't

784
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 4: have any recollection of Amber finding me. I don't have

785
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 4: any recollection of being in the bathroom. I don't recall that.

786
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: And that is exactly why rapists hues things like Ruth.

787
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: You think about Bill Cosby, Those women come over for

788
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: an interview or to get mentory, and they wake up

789
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: and their underwear on backwards, and they have no memory

790
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: of what happened. No memory. So let me ask you this,

791
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: Don Gila. Was your swimsuit in place or was it

792
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: out of place?

793
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I do know Lodonna had told

794
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 4: me my swimsuit was extremely out of place. I was

795
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 4: the one that she was describing as completely exposed on

796
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 4: the bathroom floor when she walked in.

797
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: So this is Don Gayla's swimsuit was exposed.

798
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? Just tell me straight out.

799
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: So the bathing suit itself was a.

800
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 4: Cross pod, and my boobs were all out, but it had.

801
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 3: A crosstop, and her breasts were exposed because the cross

802
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: top had come off of her.

803
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 4: Breast and slid up, and I was spent.

804
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 3: Her breasts were literally hanging out, one hitting the floor,

805
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 3: and one just want.

806
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: What about the bottom part of the swimsuit.

807
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 3: Her vagina was exposed as well.

808
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 4: I do remember feeling the burning sensation inside of my

809
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 4: vagina when I woke up and knowing something terrible has

810
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 4: happened to me. And then I still seen in and

811
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 4: bodily slipped running down my leg And there's no denying,

812
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 4: there's no there's no.

813
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 3: Doubt in my mind.

814
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 4: I know exactly what had happened to me at that point.

815
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: Then what happened? What do you recall happening next?

816
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 4: I recall us going into a well being in the

817
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 4: security office, and I remember I kept coming in and

818
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,479
Speaker 4: out of it, and Amber would come in and out

819
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 4: of it, kind of almost at different times. It's we

820
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 4: kind of just took turns going in and out of it.

821
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 4: But I remember the lady, one of the security members

822
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 4: at Powarto, pulled up security footage and she was able

823
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 4: to find the man that attacked Amber. And it just

824
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 4: so happens that I was able to give a good

825
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 4: enough description that my perpetrator just happened to walk to

826
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 4: go into the security office at the same time as

827
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 4: I was explaining him to her and Lea Donna actually

828
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 4: seeing him outside and she was like, that's him, that's him,

829
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 4: And so they brought on me and I was able

830
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 4: to identify his face in person, been in there and

831
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 4: say that for sure is him, that that was him.

832
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 3: Had seen this is Amber. Donna had seen the man

833
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 3: that had been following us all day long, the man

834
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: who had raped me. So she she immediately knew who

835
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 3: he was. And then with a description done gaela gaze,

836
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: they were able to see who he was to.

837
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: Was he also in a resort uniform?

838
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 3: Yes?

839
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: Did you later learn that they did in fact work there.

840
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 4: Yes, one Amber's rapedists had started one a week.

841
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: Less than she said that, the lizard said, and he's

842
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 3: been here less than a week. This is what gives

843
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 3: us Bohemians a bad name.

844
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 4: And then the other one. I don't know how long

845
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 4: that he has been there, but I know that he

846
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 4: works there for certain, because I have been in contact

847
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 4: or people will just kind of reach out to me

848
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 4: and let me know, especially from the reason that's seen

849
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 4: us in that situation, the lifeguard, and let me know

850
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 4: that he indeed was a staff member. He did in

851
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 4: deep work there and he had worked a zipline area,

852
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 4: which is nowhere near anywhere where we were.

853
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: He was there predating, as experts say, looking like hunting

854
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: for a victim, who said, Hey, this is what gives

855
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: us all a bad name. He hasn't even been here

856
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: a week. Who said that the lifeguard? Okay, Sadie Whitelocks,

857
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: first of all, let me just say to Amber and

858
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: Don Gala, I feel right now the same way I

859
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: did so many many times trying a rape case. I

860
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: hate putting the victim through the retelling and the reliving

861
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: because very often they then will have renewed nightmares or

862
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: daymyares or night terrors because of having to relive it.

863
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: But I want you to know I'm just we live

864
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: them often. I'm just so sick for you and so

865
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: sorry for what happened, because it's going to be with

866
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: you the rest of your life. To you, Sadie Whitelocks,

867
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: you had a brush with danger in the Bahamas. In

868
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: your capacity as a US travel editor for deal email

869
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: dot com. What is your reaction and your advice after

870
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: hearing Amber in Don Gala's story. And I believe what

871
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: they are saying completely because I have an impartial witness

872
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: telling me facts that corroborate everything they're saying, what happened

873
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: to you in the Bahamas, Sadi, Well.

874
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 3: It's something completely different.

875
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 9: But I think I just learned from a very young

876
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 9: age that basically I was on vacation with my family,

877
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 9: was around eleven years old, and we spent a good

878
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 9: few days on this stretch of beach and it seemed

879
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 9: really idyllic.

880
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 3: It was like paradise.

881
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 9: There was this guy who came along. We called him

882
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 9: Coconut Joe, and he had a machette and he'd like

883
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 9: served fresh coconuts.

884
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 3: On the beach and we felt safe.

885
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 9: I was with two children, similar age, and we went

886
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 9: off alone and our parents didn't worry, you know, we

887
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 9: were playing in the sea and things like that. We

888
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 9: got home back to the UK and on the news

889
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 9: the same week we were there and the exact location

890
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 9: two women had been murdered and their bodies were found,

891
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 9: and it was like the lady was saying, in the

892
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 9: Bahamas is kind of just stepped back from the beach.

893
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 9: There was a tree line and that's where right they

894
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 9: were found. But it was very unnerving as a child,

895
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 9: thinking that we've been in this apparently safe environment.

896
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I just can't help but think about

897
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 1: to Sadie Scott, Nicholas Dungila and Amber about Natalie Holloway

898
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: because she was drugged by a local at carliston Charlie's

899
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: near the cruise ship. She was taken out on a

900
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: beach near the tree line where she was raped and killed.

901
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: And even in light of this horrible thing that has

902
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: happened to you, I got to tell you, I praise

903
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: God that you're alive.

904
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

905
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: How are you getting through your days now? Amber? How

906
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: has this? I know you're getting horrible, horrible hate mail

907
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: and nasty comments. I'm not quite sure why, but how

908
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 1: has this whole thing affected you and your family?

909
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 3: So my children and I temporarily moved in with Don

910
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 3: Gala because Don Gela and I don't feel safe unless

911
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 3: sort together and where I'm not married, it's easier for

912
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 3: me to pick up and move and we can just

913
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 3: transport my kids. Even one of us are able to work.

914
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 3: It's just too stressful, it's too much. We feel overwhelmed.

915
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 3: We can't be around people. We have panic attacks and

916
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 3: we're going to Walmart anything day to day, like we

917
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,919
Speaker 3: can't go get groceries. We can't. Little noises fear us.

918
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 3: Anytime we close our eyes we see a rapists.

919
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: Scott A. Johnson joining me out of Minnesota, renowned forensic

920
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: psychologist at Forensic Consultation dot Org. Scott, when victims go

921
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: through traumatic episodes when they are attacked, when they witness

922
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: a murder, when I can't really explain, they continue to

923
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: have nightmares, night terrors, flashbacks. I believe for the rest

924
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: of their lives. A crime like this can completely change

925
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: the course of your life. And I'm speaking from personal experience.

926
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: I've had many, many people I knew in my youth

927
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: tell me they don't know each other, that my personality

928
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: completely changed after my fiance's murder. I don't know that

929
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: they know it. I mean, it affects you the rest

930
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: of your life.

931
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 8: Scott, Yes, absolutely, because again the brain doesn't forget traumatic events.

932
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 8: But as you talk about it, as you experience, you

933
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 8: can hopefully come to a point where the impact is

934
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 8: lessened over time. But it does not go away, and

935
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 8: they will allow always be that bad day, even when

936
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 8: things seem to be going good. But the biggest and

937
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 8: most important part to focus on is talking about it.

938
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 8: When it's occurring, so you're not keeping it in your

939
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 8: head and isolating yourself.

940
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: You know. I noticed that Amber and don Giella say

941
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: they quote don't know why, but they have to be together.

942
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: They don't feel safe. That is actually very common amongst

943
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: ripe victims.

944
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 10: Absolutely, explained, Absolutely, And it's because of the number one

945
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 10: people that have gone through same, similar experiences have a

946
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 10: connection that others don't.

947
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 8: And secondly, it's just simply who does that particular person

948
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 8: feel the most safe with. And so in this case,

949
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 8: both of them have been through same similar and experience obviously,

950
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 8: and both trust each other and feel safe with each other.

951
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 8: Plus they know each other understands. They don't have to

952
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 8: explain to each other what the hell happened or what

953
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 8: they're going through. When they have a day mayre or nightmare.

954
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 8: They can simply talk to each other, but they get

955
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 8: it because they both likely experienced similar things, so it

956
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 8: feels safer to be together.

957
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: Amber. A question in the Bahamas, was a rape kit

958
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: performed on you or donk Yella?

959
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 3: A rape kit was not performed on us until we

960
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 3: were on the Carnival cruise ship.

961
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: How many hours later was that?

962
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 3: That was at about two o'clock. And I remember LaDonna

963
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 3: having to get on she kip saying she had to

964
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 3: leave at eleven forty five to get on her bus.

965
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 3: See it back to the Elation. So our rapes. I

966
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 3: don't know the exact timeline when our rape happened, but

967
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 3: somewhere between nine thirty and ten, so that to two o'clock.

968
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, so sperm would still exist at that time.

969
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: It is arning to break down.

970
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 3: But the Bohemians made us your innate, right what they

971
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 3: made us your innate and collect toilet tissue and they

972
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 3: said that would provide evidence, and that would be enough

973
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 3: evidence for a rape test. And I was like, that's

974
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 3: not that's not true.

975
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: Did do you get a rape kit on the ship.

976
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 3: We got a rape kit on the ship, But they

977
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 3: kept telling me that toilet tissue would suffice, that that

978
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 3: seaman would suffice to identify our rapist. And I said, no,

979
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 3: that's not enough. We still need the rape kits. And

980
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 3: Loadonna will testify that I had asked for a US

981
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 3: physician a crew position, I'd ask for rape kit toilet paper.

982
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 9: Yeah.

983
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: I mean, when you go abroad, you are a lull

984
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: into a false sense of complacency. You're on vacation, you're

985
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: having a good time. Your defenses are down. Can you

986
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: hear me? They told these ladies are just te te

987
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: and the toilet paper will be fine. That's a rape kit?

988
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: What I mean? It's almost as if they're actively engaged

989
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: in the cover up. But ladies, what is your message

990
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: to women listening today?

991
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 3: Don Gala likes to tell people that two is not enough.

992
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 3: Two is not safe. You need to travel in pairs

993
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 3: of four or more. We both encourage people to drink

994
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 3: drinks if they want to on vacation, but make sure

995
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 3: their drinks are sealed. You cannot always trust staff members.

996
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 3: You must be vigilant. You must be your own advocate

997
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 3: and speak up, speak out if something doesn't feel right.

998
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: Amber, what is your response to all of those trolls

999
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: sending you these hateful messages after what you and Dong

1000
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: Guiella have already survived.

1001
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 3: It's funny you say that, because just yesterday Don Gala

1002
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 3: and I went and we felt we didn't feel ourselves

1003
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 3: after our rapes, and we both cut about seven inches

1004
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 3: or more off of our hair, and we both posted pictures.

1005
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 3: And these trolls are even sharing our pictures somehow on Facebook.

1006
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 3: But you know with my message, I said, I'm trying

1007
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 3: to live day by day, smile by smile, And that

1008
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 3: is so true because it's these small victories that I get.

1009
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 3: The smallest victories are the biggest victories for us, because

1010
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 3: it's everything is hard, everything is complicated, actory like what

1011
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 3: we were talking earlier about, you know, being haard for

1012
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 3: family members when you come back. Do you know how

1013
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 3: hard it was when we came back and our children

1014
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 3: tried to jump on us or touch us, and we flinched.

1015
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 3: Those are our children, our children, and we.

1016
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 11: Push them away.

1017
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 3: We was in way because automatically in our minds we

1018
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 3: are backing that.

1019
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 9: Place and we know that we love our children.

1020
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 5: We know that.

1021
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 4: There are babies.

1022
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 11: But in those moments, it is herebytus for all of

1023
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 11: you listening and watching.

1024
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the

1025
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: identities or the circumstances surrounding the rapes of these two

1026
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: American ladies, please call toll free one eight hundred two

1027
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: two five five three two four. It is the Elatian

1028
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: cruise ship with Carnival Cruise Lines eight hundred two two

1029
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: five two four. I'm not sending you a Carnival Cruise

1030
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: Line tip number. I'm sending you the FBI tip number

1031
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: if you remember anything from that day at Pirate's Cove.

1032
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: The date of the offense was February four, twenty twenty four.

1033
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: Were you at Pirate's Cove? Eight hundred two two five

1034
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: five three two four And to Amber and do Gela,

1035
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:40,959
Speaker 1: you are a beacon. You are a light to other

1036
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: women that have been raped and are too afraid or

1037
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: embarrassed to speak out. Our prayers for you continue and

1038
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: now we want justice. Thank you so much, Yes, Ann, Goodbye,