1 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Best Podcast Available Training Competition. Here are 2 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: your hosts, Jason Gibbs, Andrew Gribble and Nick Shook, and 3 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: we welcome you into episode two, Day two of the 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: Best podcast available Training camp Petition. On Jason Gibbs, He's 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: Andrew Gribble, He's Nick Shook, sunscreens working, all is well. 6 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: Gribbles wearing a hat, He's got his protection. All is well. 7 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 1: You're not seeing this haratle September. Just making it care 8 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: because I have the hat is pivotal pet because it 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: not only keeps the head, which I'm not gonna put 10 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: some block on my head with head of hair. I mean, 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: that's gross, but you know I don't. It just blocks 12 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: the face. It does the trick. It's it's an excuse 13 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: to wear a hat for a month in the office. 14 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: I'm finally, I don't have a Brown's bucket hat, but 15 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: I have a bucket hat that was sets me by 16 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: a buddy from Afghanistan. So I wear that one and 17 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: I really don't care how it looks or what it looks. 18 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: It's doing its job, which is keeping my dome from 19 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: looking like a stop sign. I have to give a 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: special shout out to day Freeman for supplying me with 21 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: a new training camp Brown's bucket hat after I got 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: that sun burned the other day. It's been crucial for 23 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: the first two days keeping the sun off my um 24 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: hairless dome. Unli Gribble, I do slather myself in the sunscreen. 25 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't always work. The best day two touch football 26 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: tomorrow in pads. Let's get to the takeaways of the day. 27 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: Gribble will start with you. You take away from day 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: two of training camp. I thought it was the overall 29 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: vibe was a mixed bag. I mean, this was truly 30 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: a day where you could you could make a cut 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: up of highlights that made it look like the offense 32 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: was awesome, and then you could make a cut up 33 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: of highlights that made it look like the defense was awesome. 34 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: It was truly kind of a fifty fifty kind of day, 35 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: and it was really the best stretch for the offense. 36 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: I think came in a couple parts. Early in the practice. 37 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: Baker got about three straight first downs throwing two players 38 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: not aimed, O'Dell and Jarvis Landry, which is even more 39 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: encouraging to me. It just shows you how deep this 40 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: this group of playmakers is and then later in the 41 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: practice and seven on sevens four straight touchdowns. That's that's good. 42 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: I mean seven on sevens are geared to give the 43 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: offensive advantage. But he was making tough throws during that period, uh, 44 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: not not taking easy things in the flat. He was 45 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: he was testing himself and they were on the money 46 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: and great catches by David Najoku and some others. You know, 47 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: I would even add a third, uh positive period for them, 48 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: or at least part of a period, which is when 49 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: they did a red zone drill late in team in 50 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: a team portion of practice, where I thought the offense 51 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: did a good job of executing multiple touchdown passes to 52 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: David Najoku, that kind of thing. Um, they were finding 53 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: different ways to get the ball in the end zone 54 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: against the defense that had played very well for most 55 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: of the day. So yeah, there, he's he's right. I mean, 56 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: there was there was some moments that were good for 57 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: both sides. But I think if you had to go 58 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: in the bigger picture, you see that the defense probably 59 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: has one so far, but it's not you know, there's 60 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: not a big gap between the two, and you can 61 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: tell there's talent everywhere. Well, I think That's the real 62 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: surprising thing is normally the defense has a has a 63 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: pretty sizeable lead at this point in camp because offense, 64 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: you know, they're still trying to figure out the offensive 65 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: game plan or somehow the offense is way ahead because 66 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: they know where they're going on their routes and the 67 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: defense hasn't figured it out yet. It's usually one or 68 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: the other. You said it, it's interesting that it's almost 69 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: even and gribble you you hit on it there, you 70 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: can make cut ups. There were points where the defense 71 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: just dominated in eleven on eleven. There were points where 72 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: the offense just took over, though, and especially at the 73 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: end when Freddie brought the first team back out for 74 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: the final player practice. Yeah, offense won that one. And 75 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: I think Myles I saw Miles Garrett was not happy 76 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: about it. He I thought for a second he was hurt, 77 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: but he was just mad, you know, so we we 78 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: saw him react in that way. But you know, it's 79 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: it's just interesting. The one big difference, and this is 80 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: where you feel like this defense is maybe ready to 81 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: take the next step, is we're seeing balls battered at 82 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, and that is something you don't 83 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: see you hadn't seemed very often around here, and it's 84 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: also something you don't see from Baker Mayfield very often. 85 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I know people wanted to point at his 86 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: height when he came out and worried about getting balls 87 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: bad down the line scrimmage. The stats show it's actually 88 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: the opposite. Some of the tallest quarterbacks in league have 89 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: issues with getting balls better at the line of scrimmage 90 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 1: and that's not something he does. And he was getting 91 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: frustrated about it today, and I think that it's just 92 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: showing what these defensive linemen know how to do, especially 93 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: in a period where they can't get sacks quote unquote 94 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: that they know are true sacks, they can disrupt the 95 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: plays in other ways. Yeah, it was so frustrating that 96 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: at one point Baker kind of just set out loud, 97 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: you know, can we get a pass beyond the defensive line? 98 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: You know, maybe those were the exact words, but you know, 99 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: he was a little annoyed by it, and I can 100 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: understand because every time you go to try to connect 101 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: with the receiver, you can even get the ball, you know, 102 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: more than two yards in front of you. It's a 103 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: bit of an issue. But you know, coach Freddy Kitchen 104 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: said today as well, that's probably gonna go down a 105 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: little bit once they put the pads on, because as 106 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: an offensive lineman, there's the only one way to get 107 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: a defensive lineman's hands down, and it's to go towards 108 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: more of his uh, vulnerable areas and and make him 109 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: naturally react and bring him down. And you can't do 110 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: that until the pads are on. So maybe that'll go 111 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: away a little bit the next few days. Yeah. No, 112 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: it's just it's just been a good mix and I've 113 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: liked what we've seen from the practice field so far, 114 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: and it's just like you, like we said yesterday, Crisp, 115 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: I think j C tried to called a Chris practice. 116 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: It's got some flow to it, and it gives you 117 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: entertainment almost in each segment, basically every every thirty minutes, 118 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,799 Speaker 1: something something good is going on. The other smaller things 119 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: that I think stood out to me from the day, Uh, 120 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: Greedy Williams had himself a nice little day today. Uh 121 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: in the secondary and the back end of that wide 122 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: receiver room. Uh. Really, there's some good competition going on. 123 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: There's a lot of things, and I know we talked 124 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 1: about She later on in the show with Nathan Zigura, 125 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: but uh Ishmael Hyman, Blake Jackson, there's a lot of 126 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: guys make and plays and making making their case for 127 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: the back of that wide receiver room. And something tells me, 128 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: if you've got elite wide receivers like Jarvis and O'Dell, 129 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: where the preseason you know, might not matter as much 130 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: for them, you know, wink wink, you know, And they're 131 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: gonna get some opportunities if they're if if they're not 132 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: gonna play here, they can maybe go play somewhere else. 133 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: I mean, that's there's gonna be the opportunities out there. 134 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: There's always there's always a player to a wide receiver 135 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: that makes a name from self here it seems like 136 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: that doesn't end up making the team. Yeah, I mean 137 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: that there, it's it's just the way the preseason works. 138 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: It sets it up that way. And I think that 139 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of candidates for that position. Uh and 140 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: and we'll see again. I'm very impressed by that back 141 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: in that group. Yeah, I would definitely agree. Kyle Kayliss 142 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: at guard today. Yeah, you know, it's a rotation. Day 143 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: one was Austin Corbett at right guard. Kayless getting backup duty. 144 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: Day two, he gets the right guard start. Corbett actually 145 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: plays second team center while Eric Cush was playing right 146 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: guard on the second team. Cush played center for the 147 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: second team yesterday while Kalis played right guards. So we're 148 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: gonna continue to see these guys cycle in and out 149 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: as they try to identify who a starter is going 150 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: to be at right guard and also who has the 151 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: potential to play center. I think right now, if you 152 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: asked who had the lead in the backup center role, 153 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: I think it's Eric Cush. He's the only guy among 154 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: that group he's got experienced playing center in an actual 155 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: NFL game. So far, Kalis and Corbette kind of hard 156 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: to judge because the pads aren't on, but they're both 157 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: good in different ways, and I'm just really excited for 158 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: them to put the pads on so we can really 159 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: start breaking down how each is playing. All right, we 160 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: will see the pads tomorrow. Gibbs Gribbs, Shook joined by 161 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: the Z that stands for Zagora. What an honor to 162 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: be back on the best podcast available. I'm thrilled. We 163 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: are too good. Let's have fun. So there we go. 164 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: We got that going for us, So I tried coming 165 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: up with three or four different games. It's hard to 166 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: do when you've only had two days of practice. But 167 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: we found a little ditty not for a man of 168 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: your caliber. Yeah, but you gotta you have to understand, 169 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: like I can't ask you questions about things when tackling 170 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: is not involved, and it's hard to break down certain things. Yeah. Really, 171 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: you can make any of the assumptions you want and conclusions. Yeah, 172 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: two days, I'm not doing that today. I didn't feel 173 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: like doing that today. So we move on. We got 174 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: I got a few questions for all three of you, 175 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: and we'll start with our celebrity segment, and our celebrity 176 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: Nathan's a girl who's ahead through two days? The offense 177 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: or defense and why defense defense has been I think 178 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: certainly the better side of the ball this far. This 179 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: front floor is is ridiculous. Their ability to generate pressure 180 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: on the outsides of Myles, Garrett Vernon and then Ogan, 181 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 1: Joeby and Richardson up the middle. I think you look 182 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: at the team's settings, they've gotten the best. I'm sure 183 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: they're gonna be highlights with O'Dell and you have a 184 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: lot of talented players on offense. They're gonna make plays. 185 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: But I think overall this defense, the tone being set 186 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: up front, and then the talent you're seeing on the 187 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: back end with Denzel Money Mitch I think is playing great. Uh, 188 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: Greedy's playing great. Um. I think the defense has been 189 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: the better side. And I thought it was so abundantly 190 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: clear in in today's session when in the seven on 191 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: sevens the offense all of a sudden started you know, 192 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: lightening them up at when when they had four straight 193 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: touchdown passes in the red zone and then as soon 194 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: as you went back to the team it didn't happen. 195 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: So that front four is getting it done. I I 196 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: don't have anything to a I mean, I think it's 197 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: completely right. I mean it's it's really I think it's 198 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: a good thing. And I think the key things that 199 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: we've heard, uh Jarvis Lander day give give a couple 200 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: of good answers about the defense, and the thing that 201 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: he mentioned was the movement by this when they're in 202 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: the three safety look. It's causing the offensive issues because 203 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: the offense, while they're installing a new scheme, they're also 204 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: not too familiar with what the defenses is changing up. 205 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: Maybe they got used to what last year's defense was 206 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: doing because they had been there for a couple of years. Uh, 207 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: what they're getting? And then J. C. Tread Or later 208 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: said they're throwing a lot at them. So I think that, Uh, 209 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: while it could be troubling when you see it your 210 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: quarterback through a couple interceptions in practice and ms Mrs 211 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: Mark on a couple of others, I think it's a 212 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: good sign. And I agree with Nathan it it really is. 213 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: Even though we haven't any contact. I mean, it's clear 214 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: that this defensive line is causing problems. It is, and 215 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm glad he brought up the three safety look because 216 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: the versatility and I was talking with uh one of 217 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: the defensive coaches, the versatility when they have white Head 218 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: and Randle out there together, they both can do the 219 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: same things. That what I mean by that is one 220 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: time one of them can look like they're in the 221 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: box but actually run back to the single high pre snap, 222 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: and the single high comes down in the box and 223 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: covers the slot. The versatility that both of them can 224 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: cover as corners but also play safety has allowed them 225 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: to be confusing pre snap and they kind of show 226 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: their cheating one way and then when the ball snap 227 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: they actually are both doing the opposite and it is 228 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: causing some problems. And you're seeing a couple where Baker 229 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: thinks he knows pre snap where he's gonna go with 230 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: the ball, but as he's gonna go, he has to 231 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: hold onto it, and by that time, with Miles and 232 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: o v are there, it's over. Yeah. I totally agree 233 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: with that's a good point. You know, they've been able 234 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: to disguise a lot of things with the versatility of 235 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: the safeties. And I also think Baker has just largely 236 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: looked uncomfortable, and not in a bad way, not in 237 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: a oh you should be concerned about the progression of 238 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: your core back going into year two, but really just 239 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: this is a product of what the defense has done. 240 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: The pass rush has been excellent. They've gotten pressure both 241 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: in his face and off the edge. He had to 242 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: step up and escape the pocket a lot. There was 243 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: another play too, where it demonstrated how good the corners 244 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: are playing. I mean, Denzel Ward had Odell Beckham Jr. 245 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: Blanketed multiple times today. Uh, there was a play where Baker, 246 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: you know, took the snap, took about a two step 247 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: drop pad the ball like he was about to go 248 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: deep looked to Odell like he knew he wanted to 249 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 1: throw it to him on to go down the sideline, 250 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: and then pulled it down because he realized Ward was 251 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: all over him. So I think it's a total defensive 252 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: effort from the front floor all the way to the safeties, 253 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: and it's something that you should be encouraged by. J. C. 254 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: Trader did make a good point that the defensive line 255 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 1: thinks they'll get an advantage when they put the pads on, 256 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: but really offense, the offensive lineman think it's going to 257 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: be their advantage because right now, when you don't have 258 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: pads on, they're wearing these tight jerseys, they're sweaty, you 259 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: can't get much of a hold on them, and you 260 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: can't get very physical with them because you don't have 261 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: the proper equipment to do so. So you can't really 262 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 1: assert yourself as an offense of lineman and you're more 263 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: of a receiving the blow guy instead of delivering the blow. Now, conversely, 264 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: defensive lineman can't really bull rush very much without pads on, 265 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: so they're gonna have that at their disposal. And let 266 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: me tell you, I wouldn't want to be the guy 267 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: who catches a Sheldon Richardson bull rush in the chest, 268 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: so it could even out there. But yeah, definitely a 269 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: great effort from all parts of the defense so far, 270 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: and they're definitely winning so far. And not to mention 271 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: Olivia Vernon, one of our players today said that that 272 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: is a strong about Mr Vernon. Yeah, alright. Question number two, 273 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: Gribble will start with you your most surprising takeaway from 274 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: the first two days. You know, I'll go with I 275 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: might be still Nicks thunder with this, but I've been 276 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: surprised that the Damon Schehy Giuseppe story is continuing to 277 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: unfold before our eyes. We all knew about this guy 278 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: as a threat as a returner, but in his opportunities, 279 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: he's getting out there, he's making plays. And I get 280 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: that this is an early takeaway, but like I still 281 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: think he's a long shot to to get on this 282 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: team team, especially in a deep wide receiver room, but uh, 283 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: making the plays that he's doing is only going to help. 284 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: And I think that we all knew he had speed, 285 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: but what he's showing is an ability to catch the 286 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: ball and get open. And I think that was the 287 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: big unknown with him because we knew he was a 288 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: threat as a returner, which honestly, I've been more impressed 289 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: with him as a pass catcher than anything I've seen 290 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: as a returner so far. Yet Day one he had 291 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: a stretch where with the third team, three straight completions 292 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: to him. And then today when Higgins came out of 293 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: some of the first team reps, he went in and 294 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: it was she He with oh, b J and Landry 295 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: as the three wide receivers. And I wait what there 296 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: was one play on the sideline that happened today where 297 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: Robert Jackson looked like he was almost waiting to intercept 298 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: the past because he was so deep, and she he 299 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: literally ran him over and jumped up and caught the ball. 300 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: And he's playing like a guy. To me, it's one thing. 301 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: I knew he could run past people, right, You knew 302 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: he had speed, but when he just out physical somebody 303 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: to me that said, it's the desire he has. He's 304 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: playing like a guy who knows this is probably his 305 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: one shot to ever do this, and he is going 306 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: he will not be denied. At least that's the mentality. 307 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: And that one a tough day for Robert Jackson for 308 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: a variety of reasons overall, but that play in particular, 309 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: I thought he looked really good. You know, it's funny 310 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: you talk about him out physically a guy. This is 311 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: a guy who was eating maybe two square meals a 312 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: day before he got right before he got to try 313 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: out with this team and landed here. So you can 314 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: see the benefits of having three or four months in 315 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: an NFL weight program and also a nutritional program. I mean, 316 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: this is a guy who flew home with his pads 317 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: on and flew back to Hopkins with his pads on 318 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: his luggage. As he's walking through Hopkins are his shoulder pads. 319 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: This is how serious it is. If you if you 320 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: follow him on Instagram, he's up at three two am, uh, 321 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: you know, on bowsuit balls, catching football, is doing all 322 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: kinds of stuff with his helmet on. I mean, he's 323 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: going to the end of the earth to try to 324 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: make the most of this. And it's really fun to 325 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: watch him when you're on the field because if you're 326 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: standing close enough, you can hear him grunting because he's 327 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: trying so hard, like he's is. He runs his right 328 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: you hear the before he goes and makes a cut. 329 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: Of times he runs himself out of a route because 330 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: he's going so fast and so hard, so you really 331 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: have to admire the effort that he's putting forth and 332 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: so far it's creating some nice plays for him. All right, 333 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: shook anything that big surprising takeaways? My big surprising takeaways 334 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: probably just the amount of reps and touches that have 335 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: been given to Duke Johnson so far, and obviously he's 336 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: earned them. He's a talented player. But I just thought, 337 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, with the amount of running backs that you 338 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: have in this roster, and Kareem Hunt has not participated, 339 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: so that's helped a little bit. But I mean they 340 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: are feeding Duke Johnson the football so much, you know, 341 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: in both running the ball and in the passing game. 342 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: Nick Chubb got some good looks today, so that kind 343 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: of even down in the passing game, which he's been 344 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: awesome as well. Catching the football looks much better and 345 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: more improved than last year, which we kind of knew 346 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: that going into this based on what they had done 347 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: in mini camp in O t A s. But Duke 348 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: Johnson was even back there returning kicks today. I mean, 349 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: he's he's all over the field and and it's not 350 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: lip service from you know, from John Dorriston and Freddie 351 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: Kitchens they are going to find an important role for 352 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: him on this team. So that's been a bit of 353 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: a surprise for me. The biggest surprise to me, honestly, 354 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: and maybe it shouldn't have been, was that, you know, 355 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: we talked about some of the competitions here there whatever. 356 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: I had kind of thought that there would be more 357 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: of a competition when this team went to a three 358 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: receiver center. Maybe not even a competition, but there would 359 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: be a rotation depending on what they wanted to do. 360 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: If it was more of a vertical oriented play and 361 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: you wanted more speed, obviously the Callaway would be out there. 362 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: And if you wanted you know, the precision, the route running, 363 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: the hands et, cetera, it would be Hollywood Higgins. But 364 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: thus far, uh, I do not believe Callaway has received 365 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: a single rep with the first team and Higgins has 366 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: worked exclusively with the first team. And I think you 367 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: you were texting me earlier today and made a great 368 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: point Freddie Kitchens and his press conference really I think 369 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: answered why that is. He said, I like guys who 370 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: are where they're supposed to be when they're supposed to be. 371 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: And by the way, when you throw him the ball, 372 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: he catches it. And we've seen two that I can 373 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: count for sure mental mistakes from Callaway in the first 374 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: two days of practice where he didn't make the right 375 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: hot adjustment and one almost led directly to what would 376 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: have been a pick six but Greedy dropped it in 377 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: the first day from Drew Stanton. Uh, that's Hollywood's job, 378 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: and I think Callaway is am mentally bunted, and maybe 379 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: this is something where they weren't pleased with the way 380 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: that if he wasn't in shape or what. I don't 381 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: know what it is. I'm speculating, uh baselessly really to 382 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: be honest with you, but thus far, I did not 383 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: expect it to be the top three receivers are we 384 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: knew backup in Landry, but Higgins and not Calaway is 385 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: not in that mix as of two days in the camp. 386 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: But I think that's the to go on. Why Higgins 387 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: is starting. This is what the guys had to do 388 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: his whole career. He has had to do things exactly 389 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: the right way and be in the right place at 390 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: the right time because he's not the most athletically gifted 391 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: wide receiver, not the biggest guy, not the fastest guy, 392 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 1: but he gets open and finds ways to to put 393 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: up numbers. He did it in college as one of 394 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: the best receivers in college football. But that's why he 395 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: went in the fifth round because he didn't have the 396 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: gifts that that some of these other guys have. But 397 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: a guy that is that is similar to that in 398 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: the NFL who is now doing really well that I 399 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: don't want to say this is a lofty comparison, but 400 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: it's something I think he should strive for. It's like 401 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: a Robert Woods for the for the Rams. I means 402 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: similar type of guys and that can good possession receivers. 403 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: And I think Higgins this is a big year from 404 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: its contract year. I mean, I think that that that 405 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: all plays into and he's played really well so far. Yeah, 406 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 1: he's definitely looked really good so far, better than I 407 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: even expected in this camp and obviously really two days in, 408 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: but he's made some really nice catches and he just 409 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: looks some guys coming to camp they don't quite look 410 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: prepared for it physically or mentally. He looks very prepared 411 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: for this camp in both departments, and I think it's 412 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: gonna bode well for him. More importantly, he's confident and 413 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: has a lot of confidence in that young man. I 414 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: think you go back to last year and Baker being 415 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: with the two's Richard Higgins was the guy. I mean, 416 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: that was one of the huge storylines in camp last 417 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: year was Baker and Richard Higgins. And now was Baker ascended? 418 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: You know, Hollywood's ascended with him. And I think it's 419 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: clearly it's a great thing. And I hope personally because 420 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: when you do speak of gift Santonio Callaway has a 421 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: ton of them, and hopefully this lights a fire under 422 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: him to do everything he can to capitalize on those gifts, 423 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: because I think he does have a chance to be 424 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: a special receiver in this league. Hollywoo, Higgins right now 425 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: is a professional receiver in this league. And I think 426 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: that it's the difference. That's an excellent way to describe that. Alright, 427 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: final one here in our little round table, Shook, We'll 428 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: start with you stock up, step up. Give me one 429 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: player who stock is up through two days, one player 430 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: who I need to pick it up a little bit. 431 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: You know, I want to go offensive line, and I 432 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: want to say Eric Coush, but I said that yesterday, 433 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: So we're gonna go outside of that realm, and I'll 434 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: I'll honestly give this to Jalen Strong. You know, we 435 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: just talked a lot about Rochard Higgins and how well 436 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: he's played, But Jalen Strong spent a lot of time 437 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: remaking his body since he suffered his a c L 438 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: injury which kept him out of football entirely last year, 439 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: and he's worked on it a lot and since he 440 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: joined the Browns, and he's had a decent camp so far. 441 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: I mean there's been multiple times where it passes him 442 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: and thrown to him in pretty tight windows, or defensive 443 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: back is on him, and he's made some nice plays. 444 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: He's not a name that you're gonna pull out, but 445 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: I think, um just in sitting back and watching the 446 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: offense go. You know, he's not in with the first team, 447 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: but when he does get his opportunities, he's made the 448 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: most of them so far through two practices. So girl, 449 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: stock up, stock up and stuck up stock up. I mean, 450 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: I think the easy answer, probably for all of us, 451 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: is Greedy Williams. Right. So I'm not gonna focus too 452 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: much on him because the highlights speak for themselves, and 453 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: I know that the coaches are pleased with him. So 454 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say two guys who were draft picks of 455 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: this organization from the U. One is Chad Thomas, who 456 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: I think looks to be in much better condition than 457 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: he was a year ago um and has been making 458 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: some place, generating some pressure off the edge, working kind 459 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: of with that second team. Sometimes it's he and Genard Avery, 460 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: sometimes him and Christmas. Sometimes he's been with the third team, 461 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: but he's made plays. The other one Sheldrick RedWine, and 462 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a big special teams 463 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: player this year. But you can just see the instincts 464 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: that he has, his ability to close and break on 465 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: the ball, and there have been two one he would 466 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: broke on it so quickly, actually overran it and miss 467 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: the interception because he was he had jumped it too well. 468 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: And the second one where he got there right when 469 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: the ball got there and broke it up. But I 470 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: thought he they've looked really good step up. I mean, 471 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: it's it's two days in camp, but I'll just say 472 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: the offense. I think the defense has won the first 473 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: two days. We all agree with that in the first segment, 474 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: So I want to see the offense the pads come on, 475 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, in pose their will a little bit on 476 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: this excellent defense. I'm going with another guy for the 477 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: you for stock up, and that's David. The Joku today 478 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: was I mean that here he was the target today. 479 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 1: I mean in there in there zone every single time. 480 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: It was no doubt, it wasn't Jarvis, it was Baker 481 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: going to Joku every single time. They were great throws, 482 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: they were great catches, and that's what you need from him. 483 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 1: I know he had some drops on the first day 484 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: of practice. That happens, but if if it's it's the 485 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: ones in the end zone that I'm most concerned about, 486 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: and he did that very well. I mean that's his 487 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 1: physical traits. I mean, Jarvison, O'Dell are fantastic receivers. They're 488 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: not the biggest guys, and this is this is where 489 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: his skill set could really pay dividends as as a 490 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: guy that can get you touchdowns inside the twenty yard line. 491 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: My step up is gonna be Siona Taki Taki. I 492 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: think when you get mentioned by the head coach is 493 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: someone that maybe needs to to learn how to practice 494 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: and and manage your contact. I think the coaches understand 495 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: that this guy's a fierce competitor, hard hitter. But even 496 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: when you get the pads on, you gotta remember these 497 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: your teammates, and I think that that's I think they're 498 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: gonna have control periods. But for a guy that's looking 499 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: to get a starting spout, they're gonna understand and respect 500 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: your ability to to make contact at practice. But if 501 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: you keep maybe annoying annoying players guys like that, it's 502 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: gonna hurt your ability to compete for a job. I 503 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: forgot about my step up. Sorry, now I think my 504 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: step up is UH second team right tackle Kendall Lamb, 505 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: who's new to the Browns. Um You can tell very 506 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: much in his place style that he's an excellent run blocker. 507 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: But when I say step up, I just I need 508 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: him to have slightly quicker feet in the passing game. 509 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: You know, just these are some good defensive ends of 510 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: the Browns are putting out there and it's gonna be 511 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: a test for him, and hopefully over the course of 512 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: training camp he's able to improve in that area. But 513 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: right now, you know something that I think he could 514 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: work on. When you think about the fact that the 515 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: defensive ends that we trot out there so you start 516 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: with Garrett and Vernon. The second team has been kind 517 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: of at some point, it's been Ginnard Avery, who we 518 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: all know can get to the quarterback, and Chris Smith, 519 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: who has proven he can get to the quarterback throughout 520 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: his NFL career. Sometimes Chad Thomas is in there, and 521 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: sometimes that Will in there, that was two years removed 522 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: from having six and a half sacks in the NFL, 523 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: is a starting defensive end for the lines, and that's 524 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: he's with the third team a lot of the time. 525 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: I mean those tackles that all three units are going 526 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: to be pushed day in and day out, and I 527 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: think it should only make them better when we actually 528 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: hit the regular season, which is a good thing. I 529 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: think it's nice that in terms of our step up 530 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: guys were talking about younger guys. We're talking about guys 531 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: that We're not talking about a quarterback. We're not talking 532 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: about skill positions. We're talking about you know again, what 533 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: we talked about yesterday, maybe the back end of that 534 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: roster more than anything else. Pleasure, that's been great, guys, thrilled. 535 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: We'll have you back in a few days, buddy, awesome, 536 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: looking forward to it. Thanks again and Nathan Zigera for 537 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: stopping by as we recap the first two days of 538 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: training camp here on the best podcast available with Gibbs, 539 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: Gribbs and Shook Time. Now for our sound bites. We 540 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: kick things off. Here's center J. C. Trader talking about 541 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: the Browns defense and not the offense. They throw a 542 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: lot at you, and I think that's gonna be tough 543 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: for other teams to figure out what they're doing. And 544 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: they do a great job of disguising and moving around 545 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: and getting in different positions. Um So, it's been good 546 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: for us because obviously we have to go against that, 547 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: so we end up seeing everything. We go up against everything. 548 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: We have to have an answer for everything. Um So, 549 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: they're they're not a team that's just gonna sit in 550 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: there their base defense and just bring the same three 551 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 1: They're not gonna just rotate three calls over and over again. 552 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: They're gonna they're gonna keep throwing stuff at you and 553 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: find where your weak spot is. Guys. Trader said it, 554 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: this is they're giving them multiple looks. They're not playing 555 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: based defense. Two days in, they're already seeing a lot 556 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: of different formations and one can only expect that. Steve 557 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: Walks is just going to continue to feed these guys 558 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: a lot more. And this offense is really going to 559 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: get tested by this defense. Yeah, and it's it's it's 560 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: it gets overlooked. Like Freddie Kitchens likes to say that 561 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: the defense is installing new stuff as well. And I 562 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 1: think you got a new defensive coordinator and Steve Wilkes. 563 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: You also for a guy like Trader, You've got two 564 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: new faces that you're seeing on every play, and that's 565 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: Olivia Vernon and Alton Richardson, who are too Pro Bowl 566 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: players that have been added to this defensive line. I 567 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: mean this is as much as like they we won't 568 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 1: know the difference between the offensive defense line when pads 569 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: come on, it's clear that they are going up against 570 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: a better unit on every play. And I think jervis 571 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: Lander alluded it to as well. With seeing three safeties 572 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: out there, that's throwing them off as well because they're 573 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: not used to seeing that. You're gonna they're gonna get 574 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: used to it eventually. But this is a good thing 575 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: to know. I mean this, as much as we want 576 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: to see touchdowns on every play, uh, it might be 577 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: a good thing that we're seeing some offensive confusion as well, 578 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: because it means the defense is doing its job. And look, 579 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: let's let's make no mistake here. There's a reason that 580 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 1: Steve Wilkes was hired as a head coach near Arizona, 581 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 1: you know, before last season and and got the exposure 582 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: that he needed to ascend to that role. I mean, 583 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: he's a good defensive coordinator. He's got an active role 584 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: with this defense. He's on the field, he's running around 585 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: with them, he's shouting orders, he's getting them all online 586 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: so that they understand what to do. And I'll tell 587 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: you what, for two days of training camp, you can 588 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: tell that they've done a heck of a job preparing 589 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: these guys for what they're doing defensively because there are 590 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: very few mistakes made. Guys seem to be very in 591 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: sync at every level of the defense. And I think 592 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: it's paying off for them right now as we you know, 593 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: head towards putting the pads on. It's like a run 594 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: game coordinator, though there's a passing game coordinator on the 595 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: defensive side of the football. There's so much coaching going 596 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 1: on by guys that have a lot of history and 597 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: a lot of success, and you know, credit business credit 598 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: Freddie for putting together the staff. I mean, this is 599 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: a staff that that works well together so far and 600 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: is putting together a good product on the field, and 601 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: we're seeing the defensive I guess the fruit of their 602 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: defensive labors so far, and we wait for the offense 603 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: to catch up alright. SoundBite number two Freddie Kitchens today 604 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: talking about a pitch count for his guys. The NFL 605 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: does a tremendous job of giving you information from the 606 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: standpoint of when most injuries occur, and most injuries occur 607 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: in the first five days of training camp, and if 608 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: you want to extend it even more, it's the first 609 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: eight to ten days of training count. So you know, 610 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: we're trying to be conscious of that. UM a lot 611 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: of these guys, there's only one way to get in 612 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: football condition, and that's actually playing football. I don't really 613 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: care what they've done until they put pads on and 614 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: they start running routes on a consistent basis and getting 615 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: the huddle and running more routes. They never build endurance. 616 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: And the difference between durance and being in shape is 617 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: continuing to play over and over and over and over again, 618 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: continuing to play plays and not coming out. That's how 619 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: you buend endurance, and once you have endurance, you can 620 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: eliminate injuries. So, uh, yes, a bunch of our guys 621 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: are on kind of quasi uh pitch counts right now, 622 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: just from the standpoint of we understand that that's the 623 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: most h immediate threat to injury is these first five 624 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: day days. A lot is made that year in and 625 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: year out, soft tissue, soft tissue, soft tissue. But again, 626 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: these are the things that you have to do. But 627 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: there's guys not sitting out. That's my big take away 628 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: from it. You see guys on the bikes, but there's 629 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: no there's no one's actually sitting up. Guys are still practicing. 630 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: They might not practice as much, they might not be 631 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: in as in as many plays, but they're still out 632 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: there there in uniform. They're participating. Yeah, and that could change. 633 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: I mean, there's we're only two days. I mean there 634 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: might be some some days where some guys are off 635 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: to the side completely, but we'll see. But we all 636 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: remember the clip from Hard Knocks where Freddie wanted his 637 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: guys at least out there, and I think that that's 638 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: probably something that will continue to see. But you know, 639 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: the science is right. We've already seen one soft tissue injury. 640 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: Damon Ratley is out with a hamstring injury right now, 641 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: and when Freddy Kitchens was asked about it after practice, 642 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: it wasn't as if it sounded like he's coming back tomorrow. 643 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: This could be a little bit. When you're a wide receiver, 644 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: you need your hamstring, and you know it's a lot 645 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: of these skill player guys, So it's all. I think 646 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: that the first five days are the most nerve racking, 647 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: I imagine from a coach of standpoint when it comes 648 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: to injuries, because it's where you see these around the league. 649 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: We saw our former wide receiver corps Coleman down with 650 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: the torn a c L. Today you see a shepherd 651 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: wasn't a soft tissue, but heard his thumb. Think J. J. 652 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: Wilcox and the Falcons out for the year. I mean, 653 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: these are the these This is where you see these 654 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: injuries kind of happen, is right at the beginning when 655 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: the body isn't ready for it. So you know, this 656 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: is just this is what it is. And I think 657 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: fans that are maybe of the old school mentality, it's 658 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: not going back. You can't no matter how much training 659 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: you do. There's no way that you can properly prepare 660 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: yourself for the intensity of these practices. You can try 661 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: to ramp up and kind of build up that way, 662 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: but hey, if you do it too much, you're gonna 663 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: tire your body out and exhaust yourself and then you're 664 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: gonna get here and you're gonna deal with fatigue related 665 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: issues or you're not going to perform as only you 666 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: might be out of a job and be if if 667 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: you if you don't build up to that point, then 668 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: you know, you get caught in a situation where maybe 669 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: you just didn't stretch enough or something like that. A 670 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: small thing could go wrong, and a hamstring is something 671 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: that you can't just you know, take a few days 672 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: off and it's gonna be fine. Those are tricky injuries. 673 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: They tend to crop back up. It's something that you 674 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: really have to be slow with getting back to the 675 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: field with. So it's a concerning one. But at the 676 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: same time, you know, it's a good point that those 677 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: guys are still out there. You know, we go out 678 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: to practice every morning and you see Kareem Hunt working 679 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: off to the side, you know, kind of trying to 680 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: get that growing back together. And ready to go. You know, 681 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: it's it's important, I think for guys to be out 682 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: there with their teammates, even if they can't participate, even 683 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: if it's there to just kind of chat with them 684 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,959 Speaker 1: on the sideline, but also to be on top of 685 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: what has been installed or what has been worked on 686 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: in a day of practice, or who's done well who's 687 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: done poorly, because depending on who is the person who's 688 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: injured or or whatever. Um, you know, depending on who 689 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: it is, they could offer maybe some veteran leadership or 690 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,719 Speaker 1: some inside or something. It's you need your team together 691 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: in these moments because this is where you come down 692 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: to that final three and you really build that team. 693 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: And to have a guy stay inside or something while 694 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: practice is going on, it's just not it's not conducive 695 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: for that. Alright, two days where we've played touch football. 696 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: Time to put the pads on. Here's what Freddy had 697 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: to say about that. I'm very excited about getting the 698 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: pads on because of the game of football is played 699 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: with pads, so um. You know, we had the pads 700 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: on a long time and I'm looking forward to it. 701 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: There won't be anything like the siren period, um, but 702 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: we will have some tackling. I don't know if we 703 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: go to the ground, but our running backs will get hit. Um. 704 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: Our quarterbacks will not get hit, and if they do, 705 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: you'll see some more of that running um. But yeah, 706 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: I mean we'll have some we'll have some full contact. 707 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: So Freddie Kitchens is excited, to say the least. We're 708 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: all excited about the pads coming on. What are our 709 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: reasonable expectations here for the first two days of pads Saturday, 710 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: and I would assume on Sunday as well. We'll we 711 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: learned there's no more siren periods. That's changes. It was, Yeah, 712 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: that was He made that pretty clear. I mean it's 713 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: it'll it'll be exciting. I mean, I I don't he 714 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: promised the physical camp, but then there's there's different philosophies 715 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: and how much you really are going to hit. You 716 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: didn't commit to tackling to the ground, So I mean, 717 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: we'll we'll see. I mean, this is this is his 718 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: first campus head coach. He's the one that gets to 719 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: make the these finll decisions. So I I truly don't 720 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: have an inkling one way or the other. I would 721 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: prefer Odell Beckham not get hit. Ever, so I would 722 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: like to avoid that. Uh, but yeah, I mean this 723 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: is kind of a wait and see, this will be 724 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: a first for everyone. Yeah, I think you made a 725 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: good point um in the last you know discussion, which 726 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: was about the first five days being the most nerve wracking. Well, 727 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: of those five days, the last three are in pads. 728 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: So this is where it really gets nerve wracking because 729 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: of the issues that we just discussed. But on the 730 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: flip side, it's exciting because a the first crack of 731 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: pads is just a beautiful sound. It's like the crack 732 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: of a ball in a bat, and it's it's a 733 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: it's a wonderful sound to hear, to hear the snap 734 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: and then everybody hit. It's it's there's nothing like it. 735 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: It's fantastics why football is great sport in the world. 736 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: But uh, there's also the first day of hitting that 737 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: gets everybody excited. It's it's they talk about how arrivals 738 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: to campus like the first day of school. The first 739 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: day of hitting is like the first real time you 740 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: can get involved. You can really let loose, let it out, 741 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: and maybe deliver a blow to someone you've been wanting 742 00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: to hit for a long time. Even though they're wearing 743 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: the same colors as you. There might be some you know, 744 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: personal rivialties or whatever. It's just you know, the offensive 745 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: line talking about going against the defensive line and that 746 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: that competition is the first time you really get to 747 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: go full go and you don't have to let up anymore. 748 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: TALKI is probably gonna love it tomorrow when he puts 749 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: some pads on and can actually hit somebody instead of 750 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: having to pull up, which he's had to learn how 751 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: to do on the fly. But it's it's like a holiday, 752 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: I think, for for like the real football die hards, 753 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: the first day of pads in camp is like a 754 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: holiday and it's and it's gonna help show us a 755 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: lot about this football team that we've not been able 756 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: to see so far. And it's also gonna kind of 757 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: pull back the curtain on the quote unquote physical practices 758 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: that Freddie has been talking about. It's gonna get real physical, 759 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: it's gonna get real intense, and it's gonna be a 760 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: lot of fun to watch. I think he's gonna keep 761 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: him out there, as he said, until they get it right. Yeah, 762 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: they forget about going tender noon in a in a 763 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: specific time frame, it's gonna it's gonna be interesting, and 764 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,479 Speaker 1: the heat's gonna play factory tomorrow. What's going up? Ye? 765 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: And we're gonna find out too. You know, when when 766 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: you're playing in jerseys and shorts and you catch a 767 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: ball on the flat or whatever, there's a defender there. 768 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,719 Speaker 1: He's gonna tap you and you run passed and keep 769 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: running whatever, you know, another ten yards. We're gonna find 770 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: out now how far this players are actually gonna go 771 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: and who can make tackles in space. And that's an 772 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: important part of any football team, and especially for this team. Gentlemen, 773 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,919 Speaker 1: let's get down to business. Pads, come on tomorrow. We'll 774 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 1: recap it for you after it happens, after the players talk, 775 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: after Freddie talks on the best podcast available, make sure 776 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: you can listen to us at Cleveland Browns dot com 777 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcast Brandrew Gribble for Nick Shook. 778 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 1: I'm Jason Gibbs. This has been the best podcast and 779 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: available