Speaker 1: Now really, really, now really lo and welcome to Really
Speaker 1: Know Really with Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden remind you
Speaker 1: that you'll only be helping yourself by subscribing to our
Speaker 1: show and speaking of self help, is it real?
Speaker 2: Jason and Peter have.
Speaker 3: Always been skeptical of the ability for self help books
Speaker 3: and seminars to impact and improve a person's life. They
Speaker 3: even delved into the comedic aspects of the self help
Speaker 3: world with their two thousand and one ABC sitcom Bob Patterson.
Speaker 3: So when they discovered the Judd Appetah, super successful screenwriter, producer,
Speaker 3: noted comedian, author and director of a myriad of cultural
Speaker 3: defining comedies such as Freaks and Geeks, The Forty year
Speaker 3: Old Virgin, Knocked Up, train Wreck, and The King of
Speaker 3: Staten Island, was quite obsessed with the self help genre.
Speaker 2: They needed to find out why, and.
Speaker 3: As a result, they also got to discuss Jud's journey
Speaker 3: to self help, his unique Iowa experience, and why he
Speaker 3: writes his comedies as dramas. Really, No, really, and now
Speaker 3: here are two guys who could use any kind of
Speaker 3: help they can get.
Speaker 4: Jason and Peter, everybody knows Judd Apatow Is from fourty
Speaker 4: year Old Virgin and Knocked Up and Funny People and
Speaker 4: train Wrecking King of Ston Island.
Speaker 5: And on and on and on.
Speaker 4: I'm fascinated that somebody who's as successful as he is
Speaker 4: was moved by self help. And I know that Carry
Speaker 4: Shandling was one of the first people to give him
Speaker 4: turn him onto self help. So right, that's what I
Speaker 4: want to find out about.
Speaker 6: If you have a Tony Robbins, you go to a
Speaker 6: Tony Robbins seminar, are.
Speaker 5: You doing self help? Well, you're you're doing Tony.
Speaker 4: Help, but you drove there, so it's you're actually doing
Speaker 4: self self help.
Speaker 6: Is never self help? Self help to me is I
Speaker 6: have a problem. I'm gonna go out and sit on
Speaker 6: a rock under the stars and with fingers in a circle,
Speaker 6: cross leg until I come up with an answer. But
Speaker 6: there this is I'm gonna go I have a problem.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go to Noble and get a book from
Speaker 6: a guy who's going to try and help me.
Speaker 5: That's not so much, but that's I'm getting an opinion.
Speaker 6: So we're going to go to a man who is
Speaker 6: known for comedy, known for making us laugh, who's going
Speaker 6: to inform us about why a man as successful as
Speaker 6: he with everything he's got, and it's a lot, it's
Speaker 6: disproportionately a lot, it's too much much, and it feels
Speaker 6: that he needs to improve himself by reading a book
Speaker 6: by somebody he's never met.
Speaker 5: Well, you're diminishing the cell phone thing in a big way.
Speaker 5: It's not self help. All right, let's find it. Well,
Speaker 5: let's find let's find them, saying let's find out. Let's
Speaker 5: find out.
Speaker 6: Ladies and gentlemen, would you please welcome a man who
Speaker 6: needs no introduction, but Peter introduce him.
Speaker 4: Shot Appetizer a producer, director, screenwriter, comedian known for his
Speaker 4: work in comedy films, the founder of Appetitle Productions.
Speaker 5: Can you hear us?
Speaker 4: Jed?
Speaker 7: I hear you very well?
Speaker 5: We see you? Can you? I'm afraid to say, can
Speaker 5: you see us?
Speaker 8: You? Sorry?
Speaker 5: We looked well, thank.
Speaker 4: You for coming on, really excited to have you. We
Speaker 4: already did an amazing introduction to you and talked.
Speaker 7: I could have heard it and felt good about myself.
Speaker 6: Well you could have heard it. I don't know if
Speaker 6: you felt. I always take the oppositional point of view.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the reason exactly the reason we wanted to
Speaker 4: have you on, among other things, not only because your
Speaker 4: body of work.
Speaker 5: Was it fascinating to me.
Speaker 4: The TV shows that I've done with Jason have all
Speaker 4: been about self help, because I'm fascinated with that whirl.
Speaker 4: And I saw you in an interview with Larry King
Speaker 4: and you said, kind of jokingly, but not behind this
Speaker 4: is terror.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, And then.
Speaker 4: You talked about self help, and I thought, I got
Speaker 4: to find out what that. How does somebody so successful
Speaker 4: still have the terror, the terror behind the eyes, And
Speaker 4: what tapes are playing in your head? And how that
Speaker 4: self help help you?
Speaker 8: You're going right in. You're going right in.
Speaker 5: Frankly, we've been here all day.
Speaker 8: The eighth interview you did today, in the entire cast
Speaker 8: of How I Met your Mother.
Speaker 4: It has been hold on, hold on. We're very specific
Speaker 4: about who we have. We don't just do. We don't
Speaker 4: do so.
Speaker 5: We didn't want to do celebrities.
Speaker 4: We got the guy who brought the willing matins, bringing
Speaker 4: the willly mammoths back. We've got the top professors in
Speaker 4: space drunk this and that. But it is fascinating watching
Speaker 4: you like getting quiet and watching you talk about that
Speaker 4: and go that. It's amazing. It's amazing that that would
Speaker 4: be what's inside you know, so if you can talk
Speaker 4: about that alone, no Shandler give you a self help book.
Speaker 4: And it started kind of them sure.
Speaker 8: I mean I didn't have any religion as a kid.
Speaker 8: My parents never mentioned it. There was just no It
Speaker 8: was just pure black hole. There was no we believe,
Speaker 8: we don't believe.
Speaker 5: It's just no hanikah, no high holidays, know nothing.
Speaker 7: We were the Jews with the Christmas tree because it
Speaker 7: was right, okay.
Speaker 8: And I never even knew if any of the family
Speaker 8: had rejected the idea of it for a reason. You know,
Speaker 8: we were a family that had people in the Holocaust.
Speaker 8: But no one ever said we don't believe it because
Speaker 8: of the Holocaust. That There was none of that talk either.
Speaker 8: It was just like a sliding disinterest.
Speaker 4: But you did have a phrase that resonated with me
Speaker 4: growing up in the same kind of household. You're one.
Speaker 4: You're the one line which informed you of a bigger
Speaker 4: issue was nobody said that life was fair.
Speaker 8: That's it.
Speaker 7: That's our whole religion.
Speaker 8: Nobody said life was there. The other aspect of our
Speaker 8: religion was next year will be our year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I know also your parents separated and you
Speaker 4: went through a lot of stuff growing up.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I think that the lack of any faith
Speaker 8: or even discussion to see where you stand with it is.
Speaker 8: It's just it's a weird hole to leave a kid.
Speaker 8: And I and I remember as a I was always
Speaker 8: afraid of nuclear war. I was always afraid of Brezhnev,
Speaker 8: you know. So I had this like quiet terror for
Speaker 8: some reason. I don't know it was from the movie
Speaker 8: The Day After something, but it did feel weird to
Speaker 8: have nothing, to have any of it make any sense.
Speaker 8: So when I met Gary Shandling, he was the first
Speaker 8: person that gave me Buddhist books, Pima Chodron books and
Speaker 8: you know uh tiknn han people like that. And then
Speaker 8: ram das and and told me that there were ways
Speaker 8: to organize your life other than just the immediate pain
Speaker 8: of workoholism and panic and you know, hypervigilance. You know,
Speaker 8: I just became hyper vigil like, I better get a job.
Speaker 8: No one is going to take care of me. I
Speaker 8: need to be organized.
Speaker 6: So and was that gesture from Gary did it come
Speaker 6: out of conversations you had with you or did he
Speaker 6: just look at you and go this kid needs help.
Speaker 6: I'm going to give him a book. Was it Did
Speaker 6: it come out of your relationship with him that he said,
Speaker 6: I think that this would be meaningful to you.
Speaker 8: Well, I'm not sure exactly. It's funny because when I
Speaker 8: look back in my relationship with Gary, which is very close,
Speaker 8: I almost felt like a starter kit for a son.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 8: Gary at the time was in the relationship with Linda
Speaker 8: just said I wrote the Grammys, you know, with him
Speaker 8: back in the late eighties or maybe ninety or ninety one.
Speaker 8: It was the first day of it was. I met
Speaker 8: him like the weekend the Gulf War started, So you
Speaker 8: check your calendar. Yeah, okay, wow.
Speaker 2: But we just became very close and.
Speaker 8: Just hung out all the time. And I don't even
Speaker 8: remember whining about my life in any way. He was
Speaker 8: just introducing me to some ideas that interested him. I'm
Speaker 8: sure I said I needed them at some point. But
Speaker 8: the first one was gave me a book that was
Speaker 8: called Turning Problems into Happiness, and it was written by
Speaker 8: some Buddhist monk, and the premise was that you should
Speaker 8: be happy every time you have a problem, because it
Speaker 8: will force you to evolve in some way. You'll learn
Speaker 8: patience or compassion or something like that. And I had
Speaker 8: never heard a thought like that my entire life, Like, wait,
Speaker 8: so when bad things happen, I learn and then so
Speaker 8: it's not so bad. I mean, I had never heard
Speaker 8: any ideas that helps me in my new adult life.
Speaker 8: And I remember when my mom died, he just dropped
Speaker 8: me off a box of books and it was all
Speaker 8: very profound for me. And I think I'm still on
Speaker 8: that journey, and lately I feel like I'm only now
Speaker 8: beginning to really get it, you know, thirty years later.
Speaker 4: But is that just because you're so You're so now
Speaker 4: you have time. I mean, you were on the treadmill
Speaker 4: to obliving, you were doing so many things. But the
Speaker 4: other thing that I found that really reson about you
Speaker 4: in my life, my family always laughs because when we
Speaker 4: go on vacation, we going anywhere, I prepare for every eventuality.
Speaker 4: And you said, I'm probably a good producer because I
Speaker 4: look at everything that can possibly go wrong and prepare
Speaker 4: for that. And that's how I live my life. And
Speaker 4: is that a big responsibility? And you just can't help
Speaker 4: yourself that that's where your mind goes.
Speaker 8: I think that you know, when I was a kid,
Speaker 8: my parents really fought and never worked out an agreement
Speaker 8: of you know what the alimony would be like, They
Speaker 8: never worked it out, and they just fought, paid a
Speaker 8: lot of lawyers and kind of both went broke from
Speaker 8: a never ending fight. And it made me think, you've
Speaker 8: got to get organized.
Speaker 7: And so part of that is how do you do
Speaker 7: a good job?
Speaker 8: You know. I interviewed comedians when I was a kid.
Speaker 8: I interviewed Erry Seinfeld when I was sixteen years old
Speaker 8: from my high school radio station, and a lot of
Speaker 8: comedians said, you know, it takes like seven years to
Speaker 8: find your voice.
Speaker 7: So I learned from these comedians to be patient with
Speaker 7: my evolution as a as a writer or a comedian.
Speaker 8: And and then I could really plan, like I was
Speaker 8: doing long range planning, like I'm seventeen years old, I'm
Speaker 8: doing stand up. That means I'll be great when I'm
Speaker 8: twenty four. Okay, good. And then I was terrible for
Speaker 8: the first year or so, but I was like, I'm
Speaker 8: supposed to be bad. This is good. This is all
Speaker 8: part of the plan. And it gave me a weird
Speaker 8: kind of patience about it. And then as I turned
Speaker 8: into a producer, I think every time you suffer as
Speaker 8: a producer, you figure out, like, how can I.
Speaker 7: Prevent this next time?
Speaker 8: Right? Like I did made a movie and it went
Speaker 8: over budget and the studio was so mean to me
Speaker 8: and it was like getting kicked in the face every day.
Speaker 8: It was like we were two hundred million dollars over
Speaker 8: budget based on how they were treating me. When we
Speaker 8: did The Cable Guy, we were like, I think we're
Speaker 8: was be forty it was forty two. But I just
Speaker 8: got my ass whoops from all people there. And then
Speaker 8: for the rest of my career, never been under budge, overbudget,
Speaker 8: never been overbudget ever, because I'm like, yeah, that sucks.
Speaker 8: Be realistic, be organized, know your stuff, and I think
Speaker 8: you learn hundreds of those, Like Okay, if I like,
Speaker 8: for instance, Shandling, the scripts were always done like the
Speaker 8: night before, and Gary was always exhausted and in a
Speaker 8: bad mood. What if we wrote them several months before,
Speaker 8: maybe we'd be happier and maybe the creative process would
Speaker 8: be less intense. And it's not always possible, but that's
Speaker 8: how my mind works, Like, how can I prevent the
Speaker 8: pain that this organization will cause? Ye?
Speaker 6: I want to pursue that for saying I want to
Speaker 6: get into so many things to do. But just you know,
Speaker 6: while we're playing around in this area of self help,
Speaker 6: someone said to it. I think Peter said to me
Speaker 6: in when he said, hey, let's talk to John that
Speaker 6: you haven't you know a substantial collection of reading in
Speaker 6: the self help world. Is that because you have some
Speaker 6: doubt about your ability to learn from your experientials or
Speaker 6: I'm trying to get a handle on not because I
Speaker 6: don't believe in self help. I guess most of the
Speaker 6: learning that I've had through what you're describing is both
Speaker 6: experiential and therapy where I talk about my travails and
Speaker 6: this person sits there and goes, you know, I see
Speaker 6: a trend or I see an arc, or I have
Speaker 6: a question.
Speaker 5: Do you do that as well? Or has that all
Speaker 5: been provided from your reading?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 7: I do that as well, Okay, and have for a
Speaker 7: long long time. But yeah, recently I looked in.
Speaker 8: My journals and I realized that what I wrote yesterday
Speaker 8: was the same as thirty years ago in terms of
Speaker 8: my complaints and my shrining and my pam and you know,
Speaker 8: bracing thoughts.
Speaker 7: Yeah, hypervisually, it was all the same.
Speaker 6: Yeah, still for me still is along with gott to
Speaker 6: drop that twenty pounds. That seems to be my big.
Speaker 8: Exercise that readmilk tomorrow, I would listen, don't forget to meditate.
Speaker 8: You don't have sugar, you know. And it's the same
Speaker 8: from nineteen ninety two. So this year I took ayahuasca.
Speaker 5: Oh no, you know you did not? Oh, come on,
Speaker 5: you go down to South America and there's a whole No.
Speaker 8: I did it in the very exotic land of Studio City,
Speaker 8: that's where all the best shaman.
Speaker 5: Wait a minute, how did you?
Speaker 3: How do you?
Speaker 5: How do you vet that it wasn't like camel testicles
Speaker 5: and whatever? How do you know what it was?
Speaker 8: I did? It was someone that had been to the
Speaker 8: person before, and I just thought I need something to
Speaker 8: like kick me out of a certain kind of mental roots.
Speaker 7: And it definitely did. I'll say that I don't recommend it.
Speaker 8: What did you do? Did you throw up?
Speaker 5: What was the process? Did you throw up?
Speaker 8: Yes, that's part of it.
Speaker 5: You throw up.
Speaker 8: You're not familiar what.
Speaker 5: He tells me you you're going to throw up? I go,
Speaker 5: how is that good? What you don't throw up?
Speaker 4: That's not a selling point usually, but Okay, your soul
Speaker 4: leaves three, you're not diarrhea?
Speaker 5: Can I get diarrhea two with this? Or you have
Speaker 5: to pay extra? So what was the process? What did
Speaker 5: what did you go through? What did you or more importantly,
Speaker 5: what did you discover that that? From where do you
Speaker 5: do in studio city arts wors? What wasn't like well,
Speaker 5: what did you or more importantly, what did you discover
Speaker 5: that that? From where do you do in studio city
Speaker 5: arts worship? What wasn't like Well?
Speaker 8: It's funny because I talk about it on stage when
Speaker 8: I do stand up and I tell this story like
Speaker 8: a twenty five minute version of the story now, and
Speaker 8: I always asked the crowd has anyone done it? And
Speaker 8: the funny thing is at Largo where I play, it's
Speaker 8: two hundred and fifty seats, it's usually one person, which
Speaker 8: is really funny because it's like, wow, this drug is
Speaker 8: so insane that only one two fifty two, you know,
Speaker 8: in la which is like the experience stage. But when
Speaker 8: I asked people what did you get out of it?
Speaker 8: Everyone has a crazy story, but a similar kind of lesson.
Speaker 8: There's a lot of people who one.
Speaker 9: Guy said, I opened a box and inside was my name,
Speaker 9: and I was like, well, what does that mean? And
Speaker 9: he goes, you know, to just be, just be, which
Speaker 9: is also like stop your rasing thoughts, right, And then
Speaker 9: the other night someone said I realized that I was
Speaker 9: part of the fabric of the universe.
Speaker 7: And then someone else, you know, like it's like it's always.
Speaker 8: The same thing, which is some version of either be
Speaker 8: kind to each other in the way you want to
Speaker 8: be kind or it's, uh, we're all in this together,
Speaker 8: you know, and to some people there's aliens involved to
Speaker 8: get there, right, like right, they're having and I had that,
Speaker 8: you know, crazy like visions of things, but it lands
Speaker 8: at you be nice, you know, like we all have
Speaker 8: to take care of each other, but in a profound way,
Speaker 8: not in like a simple bull play where like you
Speaker 8: really feel it, like oh yeah, do you forget that
Speaker 8: that's the whole thing.
Speaker 5: So let me do and be honest. I know you'll
Speaker 5: be honest.
Speaker 6: So let's say you did the aahuasca and you had
Speaker 6: this revelation on Tuesday, Yeah, on Sunday. Do you go, yeah,
Speaker 6: I think I did ayahuasca?
Speaker 5: Or does it stay with you? How long does it?
Speaker 5: Was my question? How long does it last?
Speaker 8: Well, here's the funny thing is, And people had told
Speaker 8: me about things like this For months afterwards. I would
Speaker 8: wake up in the middle of the night. I would
Speaker 8: feel like I had been having a conversation and I
Speaker 8: had just woken up into the middle of my mind
Speaker 8: having a conversation, and then an idea would be presented
Speaker 8: to me.
Speaker 7: So it was like I had been thinking about something.
Speaker 7: I woke up and then I would hear something.
Speaker 8: It would be like you don't do any of the
Speaker 8: things you ask your wife to do, but like you'd
Speaker 8: wake up with that as like a power thought, you know.
Speaker 8: And it happened for months and interesting insights as is
Speaker 8: like some part of my mind is still working on
Speaker 8: aspects of it. And I think they people, you know,
Speaker 8: some people see it as a mystical I know, if
Speaker 8: it's chemical. I don't even know what it is. I
Speaker 8: try not to think about it. But it definitely felt
Speaker 8: like it helped me let go a little bit. That's
Speaker 8: what I felt during the whole trip, was let go.
Speaker 8: What are you holding on to?
Speaker 4: Just like, well, you're in the job, will you control
Speaker 4: everything you do? The casting you did, the writing you did.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a big control thing.
Speaker 5: I at length.
Speaker 6: Can you tell them go back to the casting thing,
Speaker 6: because god, oh, I would never say it to him,
Speaker 6: but I will say that.
Speaker 5: Some people think I would do comment I.
Speaker 8: Need to sell tape and.
Speaker 5: Hold on. I think you need Jason.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I consider what I saw you in those Neil
Speaker 7: Simon plays.
Speaker 8: The self page.
Speaker 5: Oh that's very sweet. Thanks.
Speaker 7: How great were those?
Speaker 8: We've talked about that before?
Speaker 6: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was working with Neil.
Speaker 6: You know, when I was in my twenties, I was
Speaker 6: I was living the dream I had as a teenager
Speaker 6: that then took a left turn and became something I
Speaker 6: never imagined, which was the film and television stuff. But
Speaker 6: I fantasized, oh boy, if I could get over the
Speaker 6: river and just you know, work in New York and
Speaker 6: what And then it was it went from Hal Prince,
Speaker 6: Stephen Sondheim to Candor and have Terrence mcnanly to Neil Simon,
Speaker 6: and I went, I I don't know what's happening, and
Speaker 6: and Neil was so unbelievably kind to me and nurturing
Speaker 6: to me that it just it was. It was an
Speaker 6: incredibly special thing.
Speaker 7: Which was the first Neil Simon when you did with him, I.
Speaker 6: Only did Broadway Bound with him, then did a revival
Speaker 6: of Prisoner or Second Avenue here in La that he
Speaker 6: came and saw. And then I directed Broadway Bound and
Speaker 6: he came and saw that, and he was already, you know,
Speaker 6: deeply into Alzheimer's or whatever dimension he had. And it
Speaker 6: was it was that was a really tough night because
Speaker 6: he kinda he kind of knew he was connected to it,
Speaker 6: and he was having all the feelings about that, but
Speaker 6: he couldn't understand why he was connected to it.
Speaker 5: Wow, and it that that was hard.
Speaker 8: But he.
Speaker 4: Next to Neil Simon got to be a bit friendly
Speaker 4: and I said, you're so straight laced when you got
Speaker 4: out to Hollywood.
Speaker 5: Did you do drugs? And he said, Peter.
Speaker 4: First party I went to, they gave me pot that
Speaker 4: was so strong its laced was something it would kill
Speaker 4: River Phoenix again.
Speaker 5: First conversation with you, guys are so much.
Speaker 7: Darker than you expect.
Speaker 8: Oh my god, I emailed Mike Nichols. I was shooting
Speaker 8: a scene for train Wreck where the it was like
Speaker 8: a helicopter shot of the Staten Island ferry and it
Speaker 8: was a little bit of a nod to working girl
Speaker 8: right right opening Working girl, and so I emailed Mike
Speaker 8: Nichols like, hey, we're shooting this thing today, and he goes, well,
Speaker 8: this time, I hope the helicopter crashes into the ferry.
Speaker 5: Nice. Yeah, wow, wow, you think those guys are all
Speaker 5: light and such?
Speaker 8: You were so rough?
Speaker 6: Do you know what that we're so off talking about.
Speaker 6: I'm going to share a story with you. I do
Speaker 6: not know if it's true.
Speaker 5: It was told me.
Speaker 6: It sounds true, but Patti Chaievsky very famously wrote one
Speaker 6: of my favorite movies of all time.
Speaker 5: Network. Yes, I think, either for the Golden Globes or
Speaker 5: some other award.
Speaker 6: That year it tied with Rocky for the award, and
Speaker 6: they said accepting for a Network Patty chifc accepting for
Speaker 6: Rocky producer Erwin Winkler. And the story goes that as
Speaker 6: they were coming up the aisle to go to the podium,
Speaker 6: Erwin Winkler got right next to Patty Chaievsky and said
Speaker 6: to him, Patty, I am so so honored to share
Speaker 6: this award with you.
Speaker 5: Patty Saevsky said to him, I hope you die.
Speaker 7: What year was that Broadway Bound production?
Speaker 6: Broadway Bound was either eighty six or eighties. The one
Speaker 6: that I was in was either eighty six or eighty seven.
Speaker 6: I was twenty six or twenty seven years old down, So.
Speaker 8: I went to see that when I was eighteen years old. Wow,
Speaker 8: So you know, coming from a place where I had
Speaker 8: been injuring these comedians for the last two years. I
Speaker 8: started doing stand up the year before, and I had
Speaker 8: comedy on the brain, and then to see that.
Speaker 6: Well, also because he discusses it that, you know in
Speaker 6: the play, about how how comedy is written and done?
Speaker 8: And yeah, I mean that really because I went to
Speaker 8: all those plays in that era neo ciber place, but
Speaker 8: for me as someone who dreamed of doing what he
Speaker 8: did in that Yeah, and also the you know, the
Speaker 8: idea of what is this about? That I mean, because
Speaker 8: those Neil Simon plays would be so hilarious and then
Speaker 8: they would get so real. We would land in a
Speaker 8: very profound place. And I think it was what I
Speaker 8: was just realizing, Oh, everything isn't supposed to be like
Speaker 8: meatballs or caddy shack, right, there's another way to do that.
Speaker 4: Sure, Yeah, but you were just go somewhere I read
Speaker 4: either you said or somebody said about your comedies that
Speaker 4: you write him as dramas the story has to be Yes,
Speaker 4: it's character driven, but the story has to make sense
Speaker 4: on its own.
Speaker 8: That I tried to. I mean I tried to. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean I worked at the Critic this Cartoon James producer. Yeah,
Speaker 8: Mike recon al Jean did so. I had a year
Speaker 8: where I was able to just hear him talk about stories.
Speaker 8: And obviously he's been one of the guiding lights. But
Speaker 8: that's how I looked at it, because he always talked
Speaker 8: about honoring the characters, and he would say, we have
Speaker 8: to do right by the characters in our work as
Speaker 8: if they existed, and if the writing was bad, we
Speaker 8: were screwing them over. Wow. I had never heard anyone
Speaker 8: speak like that about film and storytelling, and it had
Speaker 8: a big effect on it.
Speaker 5: Where are you?
Speaker 4: I'm curious where you are now because so much of
Speaker 4: your comedy is about growth, which is funny because I'm
Speaker 4: sitting next to a guy who's sitcom lasted what nine years.
Speaker 5: And it was no growth, none of those characters, one
Speaker 5: one iota.
Speaker 4: Are you at a different place at this age and
Speaker 4: where you are in your life as far as what
Speaker 4: you want to writer you feel compelled to put out
Speaker 4: there on screen stories you want to tell I.
Speaker 8: You know, I it's it's a funny age because when
Speaker 8: you get older, you realize, like, I talk about this
Speaker 8: and stand up, but you know an older comedian that
Speaker 8: someone is only talking about decay. You know they're only
Speaker 8: going like, don't you hate diverticulitis? I hate when all
Speaker 8: your girlfriends from high school start dying of natural causes.
Speaker 8: And so I struggle with that a little bit because
Speaker 8: I had projects about high school and college and getting
Speaker 8: someone pregnant and being married in middle age. And then
Speaker 8: at some point you're like, do I just have to
Speaker 8: do this stuff right now to high school again?
Speaker 4: I said to Jason, it's so sad in our relationship.
Speaker 4: We know each other thirty five years. The gifts went
Speaker 4: from really great gifts to orthopedic devices.
Speaker 5: I swear to God, I had a birthday three days ago.
Speaker 6: The best gift I got so far is a pair
Speaker 6: of socks that have acupressure, a diagram of where on
Speaker 6: the foot, and a little thing.
Speaker 5: I swear to God, I have it right here on
Speaker 5: my bag, A thing that you use to press on. Second,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna show you this.
Speaker 6: This is this is this is the acupressure tool that
Speaker 6: you use to press into your foot to make you
Speaker 6: look I'm telling you it's a it's a Jimmy Duranty profile.
Speaker 7: But other than that, it's on Amazon right now.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's the greatest thing. I had the
Speaker 5: socks on the other day. My god. So it's what
Speaker 5: are the next product? What are you working on now?
Speaker 5: So I from stand up? But yeah, why did you
Speaker 5: you took a long Yeah?
Speaker 7: I took a long break, like fifteen years.
Speaker 5: And what was the thing that said I gotta what
Speaker 5: called you to go back to that?
Speaker 8: Yeah? I don't know. I mean I just missed.
Speaker 7: I missed being around people.
Speaker 8: You know, when you make movies, you do the shoot,
Speaker 8: but when you write, you're kind of mainly alone. When
Speaker 8: you edit, you're with one guy in a room for
Speaker 8: six months. And I thought, I think I'm far away
Speaker 8: from the fun part of it. And then I was
Speaker 8: working with Amy Schumer and she was, you know, skyrocketing
Speaker 8: in her stand up career when we were working on
Speaker 8: train Wreck, right, And one night at the Comedy Seller,
Speaker 8: I said, I'm gonna go on just to show you
Speaker 8: what it was like when I did it, and she
Speaker 8: thought I would bomb. And then I actually had an
Speaker 8: okay set, yeah, just telling some stories, and then at
Speaker 8: the comedy seller sd who Books, it was like, you
Speaker 8: can come in whatever you want. So then every night
Speaker 8: when we wrapped train Wreck, I would just go to
Speaker 8: the comedy seller and go on and I just think
Speaker 8: it's fun and I feel it helps me tune into
Speaker 8: what people are laughing at and thinking about. And I
Speaker 8: don't think the issue of like what can you say
Speaker 8: or not say affects most people that much. It depends
Speaker 8: on how you want to talk about things. You know,
Speaker 8: if you have a good point of view and a
Speaker 8: kind heart, you can get away with a lot. There
Speaker 8: are people who have a really dark sense of humors
Speaker 8: and they want to just say the thing you're not
Speaker 8: allowed to say as a release for you know, for
Speaker 8: certain people, that's fun to go. I love a comedy
Speaker 8: where you say the thing that should end your career,
Speaker 8: and I think there is a place for that. What's
Speaker 8: wrong with the culture is everyone else hears about it.
Speaker 8: You know, in the old day, you might be able
Speaker 8: to go see someone and they would be shocking, but
Speaker 8: their act wouldn't be on the internet because there was
Speaker 8: no internet, so you could just like it's like if
Speaker 8: you love like a punk band or Norwegian death metal,
Speaker 8: you know, it's not like everyone has to like it.
Speaker 8: You might like urban, so don't listen to Norwegian death metal.
Speaker 8: But I think people think everything is supposed to work
Speaker 8: for everybody, which isn't the case. It's funny because I
Speaker 8: was at the Gotham Comic Club in New York two
Speaker 8: weeks ago. Right I'm about to go on, They're like,
Speaker 8: Jerry's gonna come in? Is that okay? If Jerry comes
Speaker 8: in seinfilm And I'm like yeah, and I'm friends to Jerry,
Speaker 8: and I go, how long does he want to do?
Speaker 8: And they go twenty five minutes? And then you're like, oh,
Speaker 8: Jerry's gonna.
Speaker 7: Murder for twenty five minutes. I got to try to
Speaker 7: do an hour after that.
Speaker 8: And then he comes in and of course couldn't be better,
Speaker 8: and the crowd is so happy and he is the best,
Speaker 8: and then the crowd was so good for me, they
Speaker 8: were fain they were just ye put them in the
Speaker 8: best comedy food, because you know, he's one of the
Speaker 8: reasons why I went into all of this, became very
Speaker 8: obsessed with Jerry's work right when he came on the
Speaker 8: scene in like the early eighties. Yeah, and then he
Speaker 8: was so nice to me when I interviewed him, shockingly
Speaker 8: nice to like a sixteen year old interviewed with fro
Speaker 8: my high school radio station. Then six months later I
Speaker 8: called him and I asked to interview him again, and
Speaker 8: he said, well, I just did it. Why would I
Speaker 8: do it again?
Speaker 7: And I said, I don't know, you'd do the Tonight
Speaker 7: show more than once?
Speaker 5: And then he did do another.
Speaker 2: Are you serious?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Ye did you try that with Larry David?
Speaker 5: I'd be interested in saying how that.
Speaker 4: Let me take it back to that at age seventeen.
Speaker 4: Were you a kid who on some level was secure
Speaker 4: enough to figure I can do this, because when I
Speaker 4: read what you did, that you did and hurt the
Speaker 4: stories before that you called these comedians was part of it. Also,
Speaker 4: I'll interview them, but they'll also embrace me, and I'll
Speaker 4: be in that group and somehow that will get me.
Speaker 4: Somebody will say, hey, jud you're that good open for
Speaker 4: me or whatever. Was there a whole method to the
Speaker 4: madness or was it just the interviews? And why did
Speaker 4: you feel you could do it and that they would respond?
Speaker 4: Because most kids, like my son, he asked, do you
Speaker 4: should do that? Yeah, I don't know, He's going to
Speaker 4: be mad. I goes, who cares if they're mad? Cares
Speaker 4: if they hang up? What's the downside?
Speaker 5: So I get a lot of that.
Speaker 4: When you ment your young people, they go, well, I
Speaker 4: can't just call Joe app Okay, yes you can, so
Speaker 4: he either call back or he won't. So where was
Speaker 4: your seventeen year old head when you were doing that stuff.
Speaker 8: Well, my grandfather is a jazz producer, and he produced
Speaker 8: Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie and Diyona Washington, and he
Speaker 8: was just a hustler.
Speaker 7: And I always knew that there was some hustle to this.
Speaker 8: And so when I worked at this high school radio station,
Speaker 8: my friend Josh Rosendal would go interview the new bands.
Speaker 8: So he went and he interviewed Rim and Susie in
Speaker 8: the Banshees, and then he said to me, you should
Speaker 8: try to interview comics. And I didn't think it would
Speaker 8: help me stand up because I hadn't started stand up yet.
Speaker 8: Although I dreamed of it, I just thought I just
Speaker 8: wanted to touch that world I was so obsessed with,
Speaker 8: like the Mike Douglas Show, and Merv Griffin, like he
Speaker 8: was like peeking your you know, peeking your head into
Speaker 8: the TV. Were those people real? And so the first
Speaker 8: person I inted it was Steve Allen, and it was
Speaker 8: incredible that he existed because the only sorry I had
Speaker 8: ever met was Toty Fields.
Speaker 5: Toty Fields, Oh man.
Speaker 8: She was buddies with my grandma. So they talked about
Speaker 8: her all the time, like she was the coolest person
Speaker 8: in the world. So I think, as a little kid
Speaker 8: on some level, as like a weird kid, I thought,
Speaker 8: Tody Fields is the coolest person in the world. That
Speaker 8: means I can be cool. I'm weird like Tony Fields.
Speaker 7: And so it just gave me some courage.
Speaker 8: But also, no one liked comedy back then, Like kids
Speaker 8: weren't talking about it, you know, in the early eighties
Speaker 8: the way they do now. And so it was like
Speaker 8: I had my own hobby that no one had any
Speaker 8: interest in at all.
Speaker 6: But wasn't that I'm trying, you know, as I've gotten
Speaker 6: older time in my sense of time, So but what
Speaker 6: the early eighties, wasn't that still sort of the real
Speaker 6: height of Carlin? Then Steve Martin and yeah, so you know,
Speaker 6: they seem like they were so much in the zeitgeist.
Speaker 6: I'm surprised that people weren't talking and sounding it live,
Speaker 6: weren't talking about comedy.
Speaker 10: I think, you know, people would watch it all, but
Speaker 10: no one really cared, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 10: we would all go see Ghostbusters, but it wasn't like
Speaker 10: there was like comedy obsessives, uh huh.
Speaker 8: And so I just took it to some.
Speaker 7: Other weird level, like my friends did go to c
Speaker 7: Spinal Tap with me.
Speaker 8: I went. I took a friend of the Spinal Tap,
Speaker 8: and when it came out, maybe it was like in
Speaker 8: eleventh grade or something, and when it ended.
Speaker 7: He still thought it was a real band.
Speaker 8: You know. Sure she didn't really know their comedy that yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: Because what I'm noticing and getting is what brings me
Speaker 5: back to what we started with.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 6: You seem to me, and everything I've read about you,
Speaker 6: and even the fact that you loved stand up doing
Speaker 6: to me. I went into performing because I couldn't be
Speaker 6: with myself. So if I and I didn't want myself
Speaker 6: to be seen. So if I was a character, that
Speaker 6: was good. If I was in an ensemble, that was good.
Speaker 6: Because I didn't have a tribe, and I couldn't and
Speaker 6: I couldn't stand being alone. I did not think of
Speaker 6: myself as a self motivator. I did not think of
Speaker 6: myself as a go getter.
Speaker 5: Here you are.
Speaker 6: Everything I've seen you accomplish has been because you said,
Speaker 6: I am going to go do this. I'll figure it
Speaker 6: out when I get there, but I'm gonna go do
Speaker 6: this thing. And yet at the very same time, you're
Speaker 6: the guy going to the books to go I'm not
Speaker 6: good yet. I'm not good. I'm gonna I'm gonna throw
Speaker 6: up in studio city and find out what I don't know.
Speaker 6: And those two, the two they seem like opposite sides
Speaker 6: of something, as opposed to two sides of the same coin.
Speaker 5: Do you know what I'm saying That makes sense?
Speaker 8: I mean, I think that maybe it's just that I
Speaker 8: so insecure that I like I was looking for like
Speaker 8: my way to escape. And at a very early age,
Speaker 8: like weirdly early, like almost like you know, ten or eleven,
Speaker 8: I thought, Okay, it's comedy. It's comedy, that's the thing.
Speaker 8: And then no one had any interest. So it was
Speaker 8: like this little secret dream and I kept thinking to myself,
Speaker 8: no one people don't really get me, but I think
Speaker 8: this thing I like is gonna save me. Like I
Speaker 8: had a sense that I'm going to go to a
Speaker 8: place where they get it, Like there's a world where
Speaker 8: George Goebel lives, you know, there's a world where Paul
Speaker 8: end is, and I think I might have a spot
Speaker 8: to do something there. I didn't even know what it was,
Speaker 8: but that drive to do it was also probably like
Speaker 8: mental health condition, which was why do you need to
Speaker 8: do it? Because you're insecure, You're not comfortable with who
Speaker 8: you are, trying to succeed, to feel good at yourself,
Speaker 8: You're trying to have a thing, and the you know,
Speaker 8: the madness of the pursuit allowed me to avoid figuring
Speaker 8: out who I was.
Speaker 6: So in some ways, it's not so much to be metaphorical.
Speaker 6: It's not so much a call to the light as
Speaker 6: a flee from the darkness.
Speaker 8: In a way, part of it was, I mean, I
Speaker 8: loved it, but I also thought I would get safety
Speaker 8: in it, and as opposed to just having safety because
Speaker 8: I just liked myself.
Speaker 5: But that so I get it.
Speaker 4: So the big questions for you, mister successful producer, director, writer,
Speaker 4: can you be one hundred percent present at any given time,
Speaker 4: or do you vacillate back and forth and it's a
Speaker 4: constant battle.
Speaker 8: I think it's a constant bout. But I'm way better
Speaker 8: than I used to be. I understand the path to
Speaker 8: get there. It doesn't happen as often as I like,
Speaker 8: but I have whatever mental things from reading Ramdas and
Speaker 8: breathing things. I feel like I still get a little crazy.
Speaker 8: But you're a jasonalmmer More. I'm Comadjason, Tom Jason.
Speaker 4: By the way, we weren't able to do I was
Speaker 4: so excited about doing that TV show we came up
Speaker 4: with Bob Patterson about a motivational guy who couldn't motivate
Speaker 4: his own family, and I wanted the mentor to be
Speaker 4: secretly a mess.
Speaker 5: But I still love that. I love that world so much.
Speaker 6: We've had more fun exploring slash lampooning the guys who
Speaker 6: get up and go I can help you be a
Speaker 6: better you.
Speaker 5: I've got and what we found in it was so interesting.
Speaker 6: We would we would do a live show where I
Speaker 6: played a character named Donnie Clay who's going to show
Speaker 6: you the way.
Speaker 5: Donnie Clay shows you the way. America's fourth leading motivation
Speaker 5: and we would.
Speaker 6: We would espouse things that were so silly and so nonsense,
Speaker 6: and and the audience would laugh, they'd have a great time.
Speaker 6: They knew it was a comedy show. And at the
Speaker 6: meet and greets at the end, they'd go, you know what,
Speaker 6: I actually I learned a lot to them.
Speaker 4: But to be fair about what we love him like,
Speaker 4: he had to Donnie Clay Forwards to guarantee your success
Speaker 4: financial financially.
Speaker 6: Free your income. I'll increase youring and we would do it.
Speaker 6: It's not a book, it's not a program. It's not
Speaker 6: a thing you have to do for Forwards. And you'll
Speaker 6: go out tomorrow and you'll increase your income fifty and
Speaker 6: we build it up for you know, the whole big
Speaker 6: thing and eventually go here you go, folks, take to
Speaker 6: get out your Recordersfans of Forwards, get a second job
Speaker 6: and and okay, big laugh.
Speaker 5: And then people would come up and go, you know right, right,
Speaker 5: you're right, you're right, But.
Speaker 8: Do we get job?
Speaker 5: Well, thanks for spending time with us, man, and thanks.
Speaker 6: For everything's good at home, Leslie's good, everything's fine. Your
Speaker 6: daughter is becoming a huge star.
Speaker 7: The kids are both working, they have jobs.
Speaker 5: God bless.
Speaker 7: And uh, you know learning what that is.
Speaker 5: Excellent? Now do you are you annoying to them at
Speaker 5: this point or not annoying to them?
Speaker 8: Well, once they move out, you realize that your job
Speaker 8: is to figure out how to feel like it would
Speaker 8: be painful to be around you, right like you because
Speaker 8: like a consultant a parent, you're a consultant. And then
Speaker 8: you kind of want to hang out with them and
Speaker 8: their friends, Like would they ever allow me to dinner
Speaker 8: with their friends? Like I would never when I was
Speaker 8: young with my parents, Like go on vacation with them
Speaker 8: as a young adult was so neurotic weird, and uh,
Speaker 8: I regret that, but that's what you want. I love it,
Speaker 8: Like would would they ever call me and go let's
Speaker 8: get breakfast? And that has happened, so I feel like
Speaker 8: I'm succeeding just.
Speaker 5: Breakfast to hang well, clearly free breakfast.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's the beginning of that. Yeah, my kids have
Speaker 6: never whipped out the card to pay for a minute.
Speaker 5: And my kids never said let's have no, we have
Speaker 5: we have a meal.
Speaker 3: We do that.
Speaker 7: My daughter's on a TV series, she still expects me
Speaker 7: to cover the uber.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's never gonna end.
Speaker 4: So we have something to talk about. That's hus be safe, man,
Speaker 4: and thank you for all the comedies. Thanks for taking the.
Speaker 5: Time, Judd all the best. Thank you friends.
Speaker 8: Yes, thanks that so funny.
Speaker 5: Thank you brother.
Speaker 3: Well look at that.
Speaker 6: We got a big, big Hollywood producer, writer, director, multi
Speaker 6: award winner, came on our show, had a fabulous conversation
Speaker 6: and left without offering me a goddamn thing. Not a hey,
Speaker 6: I got something in mind for you, not a I
Speaker 6: should have used you in, not a hey, I'm a
Speaker 6: big fan talk about a show I was in the
Speaker 6: nineteen eighties.
Speaker 4: Talking about self help. I need let me give you
Speaker 4: some help. Let me give you some help here, let
Speaker 4: me let me offer some help you. The gift was
Speaker 4: having him on, not an offerer, just be here now, barbarandas.
Speaker 5: Don't you think that that we did hit on this?
Speaker 6: I think I hit a fascinating thought when I said,
Speaker 6: he is a guy who's basically carved of all his
Speaker 6: own stuff. Yes, he worked with a couple of wonderful
Speaker 6: mentors along the way, but he had to carve his
Speaker 6: way to get to them.
Speaker 5: It was not like, you know, being in.
Speaker 6: A play that somebody else wrote and somebody else directed,
Speaker 6: and you get seen by a thing, and so you
Speaker 6: get your next big opportunity. He had to create every
Speaker 6: opportunity from scratch. He's writing his own stand up, he's
Speaker 6: writing his own films. He says, I'm going to be
Speaker 6: a producer. And yet so he's got that ability to
Speaker 6: say I am worthy of doing this. People will be there,
Speaker 6: And at the same time he's going, I'm not worthy.
Speaker 6: I'm not worthy of it. But I don't know enough,
Speaker 6: or I don't feel like I'm not color.
Speaker 4: In Philly, so I didn't know well to do people,
Speaker 4: and I didn't know people in entertainment. And I came
Speaker 4: out to LA and I never network. Being a raider,
Speaker 4: I never networked. It was a job for me, so
Speaker 4: I didn't network, but I got to interview a lot
Speaker 4: of people, and I got to know people of different
Speaker 4: different stages in their life, from billionaires the most successful actors,
Speaker 4: the movie stars. And there's shocking how many of them unhappy,
Speaker 4: crying in the car, feel unfulfilled. And you said it
Speaker 4: to an extent, Jay, and we've been closed a long time.
Speaker 4: When you won the Tony, which is a huge thing,
Speaker 4: and even though the phone calls came, you said it's
Speaker 4: not what I thought you think it's going to be.
Speaker 4: Something is going to come down and it's going to
Speaker 4: change your life and forever more. You're going to feel
Speaker 4: good about yourself and no insecurities and no problems. And
Speaker 4: it does none of that other than get you some
Speaker 4: more work. And here's Judd Apatow who's saying, yeah, he's
Speaker 4: as big as can be in the studios, clubbing him
Speaker 4: for being two million dollars over. Yeah, So you still
Speaker 4: have to prove yourself constantly. Absolutely, you have a movie,
Speaker 4: your third movie, you have a billion dollars in the bank,
Speaker 4: and third movie fails, and the critics just savage it
Speaker 4: because it's their time to turn on you because they
Speaker 4: were so good to you for three or you got
Speaker 4: it wrong, or you got it wrong whatever. Those things
Speaker 4: are still tough for human beings to deal with. You know,
Speaker 4: the top guys on Broadway that you just talked about them,
Speaker 4: look at what happened to a lot of those guys.
Speaker 8: They disintegrate.
Speaker 4: The biggest stars, the biggest rock stars are doing heroin.
Speaker 4: They're doing drugs. Their medic is self medicating because it's
Speaker 4: never what they felt it was gonna be.
Speaker 5: Right, You know, so it's a different.
Speaker 8: War it is.
Speaker 6: There's the other side of it is also how many
Speaker 6: people and I had my own version of this for
Speaker 6: a while, are now put in that place of extraordinary
Speaker 6: success or attention or whatever you might be, and you
Speaker 6: can't make it fit.
Speaker 5: You can't imposter yourself in it. It's impostered.
Speaker 6: So you get lost, you know, and and and you
Speaker 6: have to find First you have to know you're lost,
Speaker 6: and then you have to find your way, and.
Speaker 4: Then you genuinely have to be happy with the gratitude
Speaker 4: thing and I know is that you have to really
Speaker 4: be present and go with what I got is pretty
Speaker 4: damn good, whatever that is, because if you're still racing
Speaker 4: for that other thing, then you're not really present. My
Speaker 4: horrible thing is with the ADHD and with the mesophonia.
Speaker 4: Here you know that I'm always my mind tends to
Speaker 4: want to be somewhere else, and I really want to
Speaker 4: be like when with you, one hundred percent present, when
Speaker 4: I'm with my kid family present. And that's hard battle.
Speaker 4: Except the older you get, the more is a clock
Speaker 4: keeps sticking. You realize less time to get it right,
Speaker 4: so there's more pressure to get that right.
Speaker 5: And by the way.
Speaker 4: Also look at how much of the world is medicated
Speaker 4: because so so depression.
Speaker 5: Can you imagine? No, no, I cannot listen.
Speaker 6: I know people who have had the most extraordinary experiences,
Speaker 6: and I go, yeah, if you swallow arsenic, you're going
Speaker 6: to have an experience.
Speaker 4: Could be again, you're going to I just think it's
Speaker 4: very dangerous. Love producer, Why I want to go to
Speaker 4: another country to do it? And I said, do me
Speaker 4: your favor.
Speaker 5: I'm all for that. I hope you have growth, get
Speaker 5: us a backup before you're going to be dead in
Speaker 5: a foreign three months where with the guy throwing up.
Speaker 4: And he's in your Maybe so it is, but it's
Speaker 4: the search. We're all searching to try and be happier,
Speaker 4: and part of that is being present. And it's really
Speaker 4: hard being one hundred percent present because people.
Speaker 5: I was going to say that the present isn't always
Speaker 5: so pleasant, so that makes it even crazier. Feel good
Speaker 5: about yourself.
Speaker 6: I read a thing the other day not too long
Speaker 6: ago that I thought was, so, you know, we're looking
Speaker 6: for the mysteries of the universe beyond what we know,
Speaker 6: and we're looking for the existence of miracles. And the
Speaker 6: guy said and you can do this. I'm going to
Speaker 6: tell you right now to do something. Just do it,
Speaker 6: don't think about just do it. Touch the top of
Speaker 6: your head. Why does that happen?
Speaker 5: You think it. I'm going to touch the top of
Speaker 5: my head and it happens.
Speaker 6: First of all, go explain that, because that's you want
Speaker 6: the mysteries of the universe.
Speaker 5: How does that happen?
Speaker 6: And then second of all, when you're looking for miracles,
Speaker 6: not everybody can make that happen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 6: So the fact that you today can think my nose
Speaker 6: itches and you scratch your nose without thinking about it,
Speaker 6: that is a miraculous thing. That is a When I
Speaker 6: do my Q and A show and sometimes we talk
Speaker 6: about magic and my love for magic, and I talk
Speaker 6: about how my wife is not a fan of magic
Speaker 6: because she thinks it's a power trip on the part
Speaker 6: of the magician, and I go, no, to me, it's
Speaker 6: about I know it's not real. I know it's not real,
Speaker 6: but the idea that somebody figure out how to make
Speaker 6: it feel real. It's like a great story. That's my
Speaker 6: story is not real, but you get a feeling from it.
Speaker 6: And to me, I talk about in that section I
Speaker 6: talk about you walked out, you put on clothes today.
Speaker 6: Somebody made you close. They got it to your house.
Speaker 5: You bought it.
Speaker 6: You have a house that didn't just appear. It's not
Speaker 6: a mud hut. Somebody built that. You live in it
Speaker 6: with what paper? You exchanged one thing? And you gotta
Speaker 6: I say, it's all magic. It's all miraculous if you
Speaker 6: just slow down enough to go, somebody made this and
Speaker 6: what's what it does.
Speaker 4: By the way, one of the most suppressing things I
Speaker 4: did is I recorded behind the scenes and manager reveals
Speaker 4: all the tricks. I watched about six I got so
Speaker 4: depressed because even the biggest tricks, you go, oh, it
Speaker 4: just ruined that for me.
Speaker 8: So I never watched.
Speaker 5: Here's here's how you know. Why do not do that?
Speaker 5: A magician not because it's a brotherhood of anything.
Speaker 6: A magician will never ask another magician how something was done.
Speaker 5: A true magician will go that was beautiful. Isn't pendent
Speaker 5: teller writing a book revealing how they did all the tricks?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 6: But I'm not saying magicians won't share their secrets. There's
Speaker 6: a there's a huge legacy of magicians as they retire
Speaker 6: their career, retire there.
Speaker 5: They will do that. That's say, here's how I achieved
Speaker 5: all I care about.
Speaker 4: All I care about. Are they going to reveal how
Speaker 4: they do the bullet catch where he shoots the blue.
Speaker 4: I think they are revealing that's one of the most
Speaker 4: amazing tricks ever.
Speaker 5: You know what else is amazing?
Speaker 6: David, He's a miracle. He's proof of miracles on God's
Speaker 6: Green play you look at your David. Sure it's true
Speaker 6: today you got to meet from the confines of your
Speaker 6: home Judd appetite.
Speaker 2: Yes, I did, very thankful, very thankful.
Speaker 6: It's really was there a single lesson take away you
Speaker 6: got from it?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 11: I was able to say because I had. He is
Speaker 11: the first person I've been close to since Jim Carrey
Speaker 11: where I was trying to not say, God, I really
Speaker 11: enjoyed the cable guy.
Speaker 2: And to see what the reaction was because I truly did.
Speaker 11: I love that that picture and Jim Carrey did not
Speaker 11: not appreciate it when I when I mentioned that to him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, really did he think you were making that
Speaker 6: you were being facetious?
Speaker 5: I think it was.
Speaker 2: It was within six.
Speaker 11: Months to a year that it had come out and
Speaker 11: he was we were at a benefit together. He was
Speaker 11: dating somebody that I was I worked with, and yeah,
Speaker 11: I think he did. I did think that he couldn't
Speaker 11: hear the fact that I'm like, I think this was
Speaker 11: actually a brilliant comedy that actually with some of the
Speaker 11: Menenda stuff that people are now watching on Netflix, if
Speaker 11: you want to go back and watch it, just the
Speaker 11: parody of that was really brilliant.
Speaker 5: And you know, there you go.
Speaker 2: Not a good first impression with this.
Speaker 5: I just must say I've been watching the Menenda thing.
Speaker 4: Not a comedy, just for people who need to know,
Speaker 4: not a comedy, really, not a com really. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: kind of an interesting series, though really interesting series. I
Speaker 4: started it was felt campy the first episode and then
Speaker 4: there's some really good acting in that. But wow, if
Speaker 4: a third of that stuff is even close to accurate,
Speaker 4: hokey smoke, what a story?
Speaker 6: Well yea, as they say, there's some things happening. H
Speaker 6: Thank you, jud Apto, Thank you ladies and gentlemen. We
Speaker 6: will see you next time on this little show.
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Speaker 3: help book ever? Well, Included among the top titles is
Speaker 3: nineteen nine four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz, How to
Speaker 3: Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie, originally published
Speaker 3: in nineteen thirty six, Chicken Soup for the Soul, which
Speaker 3: has sold over eleven million copies. Nineteen fifty two, is
Speaker 3: big seller The Power of Positive Thinking by Norman Vincent
Speaker 3: Peel and Stephen Kobe's Seven Habits of Highly Successful People,
Speaker 3: but the biggest seller to date is Think and Grow
Speaker 3: Rich by Napoleon Hill. Hill interviewed highly successful business magnates
Speaker 3: to identify key laws and habits that drive success. Key
Speaker 3: among them was faith, desire, persistence, and the suppression of doubt,
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Speaker 3: it's good enough for me. I'm gonna wrap this up
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