WEBVTT - The Secret to Judd Apatow’s Success is... Self Help? 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:10.760 Now really, really, now really lo and welcome to Really 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.680 Know Really with Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden remind you 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:16.640 that you'll only be helping yourself by subscribing to our 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:20.280 show and speaking of self help, is it real? 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:21.680 Jason and Peter have. 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:24.400 Always been skeptical of the ability for self help books 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:27.440 and seminars to impact and improve a person's life. They 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:30.160 even delved into the comedic aspects of the self help 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.680 world with their two thousand and one ABC sitcom Bob Patterson. 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:39.080 So when they discovered the Judd Appetah, super successful screenwriter, producer, 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:43.199 noted comedian, author and director of a myriad of cultural 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.159 defining comedies such as Freaks and Geeks, The Forty year 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:48.800 Old Virgin, Knocked Up, train Wreck, and The King of 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.479 Staten Island, was quite obsessed with the self help genre. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.240 They needed to find out why, and. 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.040 As a result, they also got to discuss Jud's journey 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.640 to self help, his unique Iowa experience, and why he 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:06.360 writes his comedies as dramas. Really, No, really, and now 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.679 here are two guys who could use any kind of 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:09.479 help they can get. 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:13.960 Jason and Peter, everybody knows Judd Apatow Is from fourty 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:17.360 year Old Virgin and Knocked Up and Funny People and 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.160 train Wrecking King of Ston Island. 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:19.640 And on and on and on. 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.120 I'm fascinated that somebody who's as successful as he is 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:25.440 was moved by self help. And I know that Carry 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:27.320 Shandling was one of the first people to give him 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.440 turn him onto self help. So right, that's what I 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:30.360 want to find out about. 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:33.160 If you have a Tony Robbins, you go to a 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.679 Tony Robbins seminar, are. 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:39.000 You doing self help? Well, you're you're doing Tony. 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.320 Help, but you drove there, so it's you're actually doing 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:43.839 self self help. 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:47.440 Is never self help? Self help to me is I 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:49.760 have a problem. I'm gonna go out and sit on 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:53.240 a rock under the stars and with fingers in a circle, 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.320 cross leg until I come up with an answer. But 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.920 there this is I'm gonna go I have a problem. 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:02.000 I'm gonna go to Noble and get a book from 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:03.640 a guy who's going to try and help me. 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.600 That's not so much, but that's I'm getting an opinion. 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.080 So we're going to go to a man who is 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:12.600 known for comedy, known for making us laugh, who's going 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:16.040 to inform us about why a man as successful as 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.239 he with everything he's got, and it's a lot, it's 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:25.600 disproportionately a lot, it's too much much, and it feels 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:28.920 that he needs to improve himself by reading a book 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:31.840 by somebody he's never met. 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.240 Well, you're diminishing the cell phone thing in a big way. 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.440 It's not self help. All right, let's find it. Well, 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.839 let's find let's find them, saying let's find out. Let's 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:39.160 find out. 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.799 Ladies and gentlemen, would you please welcome a man who 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:46.000 needs no introduction, but Peter introduce him. 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.840 Shot Appetizer a producer, director, screenwriter, comedian known for his 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.480 work in comedy films, the founder of Appetitle Productions. 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:53.280 Can you hear us? 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:53.560 Jed? 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:55.640 I hear you very well? 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.280 We see you? Can you? I'm afraid to say, can 0:02:58.320 --> 0:02:58.960 you see us? 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:01.320 You? Sorry? 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:07.840 We looked well, thank. 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:09.840 You for coming on, really excited to have you. We 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.200 already did an amazing introduction to you and talked. 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:15.320 I could have heard it and felt good about myself. 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.440 Well you could have heard it. I don't know if 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.760 you felt. I always take the oppositional point of view. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:24.200 Yeah, so the reason exactly the reason we wanted to 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.040 have you on, among other things, not only because your 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:27.560 body of work. 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:28.600 Was it fascinating to me. 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.120 The TV shows that I've done with Jason have all 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.840 been about self help, because I'm fascinated with that whirl. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.520 And I saw you in an interview with Larry King 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:40.640 and you said, kind of jokingly, but not behind this 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:42.320 is terror. 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:44.480 Oh yeah, And then. 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.400 You talked about self help, and I thought, I got 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:49.119 to find out what that. How does somebody so successful 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:52.400 still have the terror, the terror behind the eyes, And 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.040 what tapes are playing in your head? And how that 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.160 self help help you? 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:58.560 You're going right in. You're going right in. 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.320 Frankly, we've been here all day. 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:07.960 The eighth interview you did today, in the entire cast 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:09.280 of How I Met your Mother. 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.240 It has been hold on, hold on. We're very specific 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:15.280 about who we have. We don't just do. We don't 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:15.480 do so. 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:16.880 We didn't want to do celebrities. 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:18.880 We got the guy who brought the willing matins, bringing 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.000 the willly mammoths back. We've got the top professors in 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.240 space drunk this and that. But it is fascinating watching 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.680 you like getting quiet and watching you talk about that 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:31.000 and go that. It's amazing. It's amazing that that would 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.680 be what's inside you know, so if you can talk 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:36.160 about that alone, no Shandler give you a self help book. 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.000 And it started kind of them sure. 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:43.159 I mean I didn't have any religion as a kid. 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:47.440 My parents never mentioned it. There was just no It 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:52.440 was just pure black hole. There was no we believe, 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:53.680 we don't believe. 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:57.400 It's just no hanikah, no high holidays, know nothing. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.920 We were the Jews with the Christmas tree because it 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:01.600 was right, okay. 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.560 And I never even knew if any of the family 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:08.520 had rejected the idea of it for a reason. You know, 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.560 we were a family that had people in the Holocaust. 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:13.720 But no one ever said we don't believe it because 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.880 of the Holocaust. That There was none of that talk either. 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.039 It was just like a sliding disinterest. 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:22.520 But you did have a phrase that resonated with me 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:25.720 growing up in the same kind of household. You're one. 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.480 You're the one line which informed you of a bigger 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.560 issue was nobody said that life was fair. 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:33.160 That's it. 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:34.200 That's our whole religion. 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.479 Nobody said life was there. The other aspect of our 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.960 religion was next year will be our year. 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:43.800 Yeah, So I know also your parents separated and you 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:45.240 went through a lot of stuff growing up. 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:48.640 Yeah, and I think that the lack of any faith 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:53.520 or even discussion to see where you stand with it is. 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.440 It's just it's a weird hole to leave a kid. 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.520 And I and I remember as a I was always 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.520 afraid of nuclear war. I was always afraid of Brezhnev, 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.400 you know. So I had this like quiet terror for 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:08.520 some reason. I don't know it was from the movie 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.320 The Day After something, but it did feel weird to 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:15.080 have nothing, to have any of it make any sense. 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.600 So when I met Gary Shandling, he was the first 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:22.560 person that gave me Buddhist books, Pima Chodron books and 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:27.360 you know uh tiknn han people like that. And then 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:31.599 ram das and and told me that there were ways 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:39.040 to organize your life other than just the immediate pain 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:44.400 of workoholism and panic and you know, hypervigilance. You know, 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:48.200 I just became hyper vigil like, I better get a job. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.560 No one is going to take care of me. I 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:52.880 need to be organized. 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:56.440 So and was that gesture from Gary did it come 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.120 out of conversations you had with you or did he 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.360 just look at you and go this kid needs help. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.880 I'm going to give him a book. Was it Did 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.720 it come out of your relationship with him that he said, 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:09.400 I think that this would be meaningful to you. 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.080 Well, I'm not sure exactly. It's funny because when I 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.880 look back in my relationship with Gary, which is very close, 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.440 I almost felt like a starter kit for a son. 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:21.080 You know. 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.400 Gary at the time was in the relationship with Linda 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:28.480 just said I wrote the Grammys, you know, with him 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.400 back in the late eighties or maybe ninety or ninety one. 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:36.440 It was the first day of it was. I met 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:40.000 him like the weekend the Gulf War started, So you 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.360 check your calendar. Yeah, okay, wow. 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:45.560 But we just became very close and. 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.120 Just hung out all the time. And I don't even 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.880 remember whining about my life in any way. He was 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.600 just introducing me to some ideas that interested him. I'm 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.960 sure I said I needed them at some point. But 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:00.880 the first one was gave me a book that was 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:05.000 called Turning Problems into Happiness, and it was written by 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.880 some Buddhist monk, and the premise was that you should 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.520 be happy every time you have a problem, because it 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.480 will force you to evolve in some way. You'll learn 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:17.680 patience or compassion or something like that. And I had 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:21.240 never heard a thought like that my entire life, Like, wait, 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:25.040 so when bad things happen, I learn and then so 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.280 it's not so bad. I mean, I had never heard 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:31.840 any ideas that helps me in my new adult life. 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.600 And I remember when my mom died, he just dropped 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:39.600 me off a box of books and it was all 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.040 very profound for me. And I think I'm still on 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.280 that journey, and lately I feel like I'm only now 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.320 beginning to really get it, you know, thirty years later. 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.760 But is that just because you're so You're so now 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.120 you have time. I mean, you were on the treadmill 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.480 to obliving, you were doing so many things. But the 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.640 other thing that I found that really reson about you 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.679 in my life, my family always laughs because when we 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:07.319 go on vacation, we going anywhere, I prepare for every eventuality. 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.599 And you said, I'm probably a good producer because I 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:14.160 look at everything that can possibly go wrong and prepare 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:15.920 for that. And that's how I live my life. And 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:19.079 is that a big responsibility? And you just can't help 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.120 yourself that that's where your mind goes. 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.040 I think that you know, when I was a kid, 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:30.079 my parents really fought and never worked out an agreement 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.360 of you know what the alimony would be like, They 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.520 never worked it out, and they just fought, paid a 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:40.000 lot of lawyers and kind of both went broke from 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:44.719 a never ending fight. And it made me think, you've 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:46.239 got to get organized. 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.040 And so part of that is how do you do 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:50.760 a good job? 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:53.560 You know. I interviewed comedians when I was a kid. 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:55.880 I interviewed Erry Seinfeld when I was sixteen years old 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.880 from my high school radio station, and a lot of 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.439 comedians said, you know, it takes like seven years to 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:02.520 find your voice. 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:07.120 So I learned from these comedians to be patient with 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.520 my evolution as a as a writer or a comedian. 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:15.559 And and then I could really plan, like I was 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.520 doing long range planning, like I'm seventeen years old, I'm 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.600 doing stand up. That means I'll be great when I'm 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:24.079 twenty four. Okay, good. And then I was terrible for 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.079 the first year or so, but I was like, I'm 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.200 supposed to be bad. This is good. This is all 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.199 part of the plan. And it gave me a weird 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:35.760 kind of patience about it. And then as I turned 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.559 into a producer, I think every time you suffer as 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.400 a producer, you figure out, like, how can I. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:42.920 Prevent this next time? 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:45.120 Right? Like I did made a movie and it went 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.719 over budget and the studio was so mean to me 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.000 and it was like getting kicked in the face every day. 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:54.000 It was like we were two hundred million dollars over 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.599 budget based on how they were treating me. When we 0:10:57.679 --> 0:10:59.959 did The Cable Guy, we were like, I think we're 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.240 was be forty it was forty two. But I just 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:06.880 got my ass whoops from all people there. And then 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.200 for the rest of my career, never been under budge, overbudget, 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.800 never been overbudget ever, because I'm like, yeah, that sucks. 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:17.559 Be realistic, be organized, know your stuff, and I think 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:21.839 you learn hundreds of those, Like Okay, if I like, 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.120 for instance, Shandling, the scripts were always done like the 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:28.559 night before, and Gary was always exhausted and in a 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:32.440 bad mood. What if we wrote them several months before, 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:37.320 maybe we'd be happier and maybe the creative process would 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:41.600 be less intense. And it's not always possible, but that's 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:43.559 how my mind works, Like, how can I prevent the 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:48.120 pain that this organization will cause? Ye? 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:49.599 I want to pursue that for saying I want to 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:51.520 get into so many things to do. But just you know, 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:53.480 while we're playing around in this area of self help, 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.160 someone said to it. I think Peter said to me 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.079 in when he said, hey, let's talk to John that 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:04.120 you haven't you know a substantial collection of reading in 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:09.160 the self help world. Is that because you have some 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:15.360 doubt about your ability to learn from your experientials or 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.800 I'm trying to get a handle on not because I 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:22.480 don't believe in self help. I guess most of the 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.480 learning that I've had through what you're describing is both 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:29.800 experiential and therapy where I talk about my travails and 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:31.920 this person sits there and goes, you know, I see 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.040 a trend or I see an arc, or I have 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:34.560 a question. 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.280 Do you do that as well? Or has that all 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:39.720 been provided from your reading? 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:40.360 No? 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.319 I do that as well, Okay, and have for a 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:47.960 long long time. But yeah, recently I looked in. 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:51.400 My journals and I realized that what I wrote yesterday 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:53.319 was the same as thirty years ago in terms of 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.640 my complaints and my shrining and my pam and you know, 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:58.319 bracing thoughts. 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:00.520 Yeah, hypervisually, it was all the same. 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.199 Yeah, still for me still is along with gott to 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.600 drop that twenty pounds. That seems to be my big. 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:10.760 Exercise that readmilk tomorrow, I would listen, don't forget to meditate. 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.360 You don't have sugar, you know. And it's the same 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:19.080 from nineteen ninety two. So this year I took ayahuasca. 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:21.959 Oh no, you know you did not? Oh, come on, 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.199 you go down to South America and there's a whole No. 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:28.839 I did it in the very exotic land of Studio City, 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:30.520 that's where all the best shaman. 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:31.439 Wait a minute, how did you? 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:31.959 How do you? 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.599 How do you vet that it wasn't like camel testicles 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.000 and whatever? How do you know what it was? 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.160 I did? It was someone that had been to the 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:43.199 person before, and I just thought I need something to 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:46.240 like kick me out of a certain kind of mental roots. 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:50.679 And it definitely did. I'll say that I don't recommend it. 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:52.440 What did you do? Did you throw up? 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.480 What was the process? Did you throw up? 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:56.360 Yes, that's part of it. 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:56.960 You throw up. 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:57.960 You're not familiar what. 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.760 He tells me you you're going to throw up? I go, 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.360 how is that good? What you don't throw up? 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.400 That's not a selling point usually, but Okay, your soul 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:08.319 leaves three, you're not diarrhea? 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.719 Can I get diarrhea two with this? Or you have 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.240 to pay extra? So what was the process? What did 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:16.000 what did you go through? What did you or more importantly, 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.599 what did you discover that that? From where do you 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:25.400 do in studio city arts wors? What wasn't like well, 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.480 what did you or more importantly, what did you discover 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:41.840 that that? From where do you do in studio city 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:47.800 arts worship? What wasn't like Well? 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:49.920 It's funny because I talk about it on stage when 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:51.480 I do stand up and I tell this story like 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:53.960 a twenty five minute version of the story now, and 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.200 I always asked the crowd has anyone done it? And 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.760 the funny thing is at Largo where I play, it's 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.800 two hundred and fifty seats, it's usually one person, which 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:05.200 is really funny because it's like, wow, this drug is 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:10.920 so insane that only one two fifty two, you know, 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:16.080 in la which is like the experience stage. But when 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:17.760 I asked people what did you get out of it? 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:22.680 Everyone has a crazy story, but a similar kind of lesson. 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:24.920 There's a lot of people who one. 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:29.560 Guy said, I opened a box and inside was my name, 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:32.760 and I was like, well, what does that mean? And 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:36.240 he goes, you know, to just be, just be, which 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.280 is also like stop your rasing thoughts, right, And then 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.880 the other night someone said I realized that I was 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.320 part of the fabric of the universe. 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.560 And then someone else, you know, like it's like it's always. 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:52.640 The same thing, which is some version of either be 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.400 kind to each other in the way you want to 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:59.080 be kind or it's, uh, we're all in this together, 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.560 you know, and to some people there's aliens involved to 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:06.280 get there, right, like right, they're having and I had that, 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.680 you know, crazy like visions of things, but it lands 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:13.200 at you be nice, you know, like we all have 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:16.000 to take care of each other, but in a profound way, 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.720 not in like a simple bull play where like you 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:23.480 really feel it, like oh yeah, do you forget that 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:24.640 that's the whole thing. 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.400 So let me do and be honest. I know you'll 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:26.800 be honest. 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:28.800 So let's say you did the aahuasca and you had 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.480 this revelation on Tuesday, Yeah, on Sunday. Do you go, yeah, 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:33.680 I think I did ayahuasca? 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:35.680 Or does it stay with you? How long does it? 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:37.600 Was my question? How long does it last? 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.680 Well, here's the funny thing is, And people had told 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:45.960 me about things like this For months afterwards. I would 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.240 wake up in the middle of the night. I would 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:53.000 feel like I had been having a conversation and I 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:56.120 had just woken up into the middle of my mind 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.800 having a conversation, and then an idea would be presented 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:00.160 to me. 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:02.720 So it was like I had been thinking about something. 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.200 I woke up and then I would hear something. 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.600 It would be like you don't do any of the 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:10.520 things you ask your wife to do, but like you'd 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.920 wake up with that as like a power thought, you know. 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:19.480 And it happened for months and interesting insights as is 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:21.440 like some part of my mind is still working on 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.520 aspects of it. And I think they people, you know, 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:26.040 some people see it as a mystical I know, if 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:27.960 it's chemical. I don't even know what it is. I 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.840 try not to think about it. But it definitely felt 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:34.040 like it helped me let go a little bit. That's 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.480 what I felt during the whole trip, was let go. 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:38.920 What are you holding on to? 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:41.800 Just like, well, you're in the job, will you control 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.000 everything you do? The casting you did, the writing you did. 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:45.600 I mean, that's a big control thing. 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:47.280 I at length. 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.560 Can you tell them go back to the casting thing, 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:54.320 because god, oh, I would never say it to him, 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:55.240 but I will say that. 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:59.119 Some people think I would do comment I. 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:00.119 Need to sell tape and. 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:07.440 Hold on. I think you need Jason. 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.360 Yeah, I consider what I saw you in those Neil 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:11.320 Simon plays. 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:12.400 The self page. 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:13.920 Oh that's very sweet. Thanks. 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:15.160 How great were those? 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:16.480 We've talked about that before? 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:17.640 Oh my god. 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.920 Yeah, it was working with Neil. 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:22.879 You know, when I was in my twenties, I was 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:25.480 I was living the dream I had as a teenager 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.280 that then took a left turn and became something I 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.960 never imagined, which was the film and television stuff. But 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.240 I fantasized, oh boy, if I could get over the 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:34.960 river and just you know, work in New York and 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:38.040 what And then it was it went from Hal Prince, 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:42.359 Stephen Sondheim to Candor and have Terrence mcnanly to Neil Simon, 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:45.200 and I went, I I don't know what's happening, and 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:50.760 and Neil was so unbelievably kind to me and nurturing 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:52.919 to me that it just it was. It was an 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:54.040 incredibly special thing. 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:57.720 Which was the first Neil Simon when you did with him, I. 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:02.400 Only did Broadway Bound with him, then did a revival 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.920 of Prisoner or Second Avenue here in La that he 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.240 came and saw. And then I directed Broadway Bound and 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.720 he came and saw that, and he was already, you know, 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:16.040 deeply into Alzheimer's or whatever dimension he had. And it 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.600 was it was that was a really tough night because 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:23.280 he kinda he kind of knew he was connected to it, 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:25.879 and he was having all the feelings about that, but 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:29.159 he couldn't understand why he was connected to it. 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.840 Wow, and it that that was hard. 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:32.280 But he. 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:35.960 Next to Neil Simon got to be a bit friendly 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.600 and I said, you're so straight laced when you got 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:39.440 out to Hollywood. 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:41.240 Did you do drugs? And he said, Peter. 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.200 First party I went to, they gave me pot that 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.280 was so strong its laced was something it would kill 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:47.240 River Phoenix again. 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:52.119