1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:01,440 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 2: You know you love music. You didn't have the amazing 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,079 Speaker 2: records that your parents could have in the house and 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 2: just listening and you love music. But they're listening to 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: a radio and all the cool, amazing records that now 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 2: they consider yacht rock or whatever, like, you know, whether 7 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: it's Boston and Chicago or Steely Dan and do everybody 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: all that we were disaffected by in such a positive way. 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of Taking a Walk with your 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: host Buzz Night, where we're honored to have Pause from 11 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: the legendary hip hop group De La Soul joining us 12 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: today we celebrate the twenty eighth anniversary of their iconic 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: album The Grind Date. 14 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: Let's take a walk down. 15 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: Memory Lane with Pause as we explore the making of 16 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 1: this timeless album and it's lasting impact on music on 17 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: the Taking a Walk podcast. 18 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 3: Well, Paus, thanks for being on Taking a Walk. I 19 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 3: really appreciated And since the podcast it's called taking a Walk, 20 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 3: I did want to ask you if you could take 21 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 3: a walk with somebody, living or dead, who would you 22 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 3: take a walk with them? Where would you take a 23 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 3: walk with them? 24 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: Wow, that's an amazing question. Living or Dead's so many 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: people I would want to do that with you know what. Wow, 26 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: If I may be honest, I would want to take 27 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: a walk with my mother. I lost my mother in 28 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty She died like better if I graduated, So 29 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 2: I lost her in nineteen eighty seven. So I would 30 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: take a walk with my mom's because I would want 31 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: to just take a walk with her and see if 32 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: she approved of how I you know how I've been 33 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: as a father to my five kids, and I would 34 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: love to take a walk with my mother. 35 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: That's sweet. Thank you for sharing that. I appreciate it. 36 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: So congratulations on the twentieth anniversary of the Grind Date, 37 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: and you've put out a really amazing compilation of studio 38 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 3: work bonus tracks, just a real love affair with the 39 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 3: with the Grind Date production and album and release. Uh, 40 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: tell me how it feels going back and kind of 41 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 3: working through all that and how it it continues to 42 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 3: feel so fresh. 43 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a it's always for me a blessing, 44 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: you know, grind Date. You know you're talking about we're 45 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: already like we were already six something albums in and 46 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: you know, you you get to this point to still 47 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: be creating an album and and be a part with 48 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: two other people that feels still dedicated to making quality music, 49 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: trying different things, and and just you know, have a 50 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 2: like a sense of goodness when it comes to create, 51 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: create and wanting to create, and then to now have 52 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: that thing you created come up on an anniversary this 53 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: far down the line and people still feel it's relevant. 54 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 2: It still feels fresh, and even to myself it feels 55 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: that way, you know. I just I just really step 56 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: back and feel like I'm blessed because you know, you know, 57 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: when you're creating in the moment, I don't know if 58 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: you really say, like and I want just to be 59 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: here forever. You know, like if I say something now, 60 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: you know it's you know, I want it to be relevant. 61 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: You just never know. So let alone feel like it's 62 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: not dated. And so I feel like it feels great, man, 63 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: it feels good and I'm just proud of it. And yeah, 64 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: to even know some of the songs that for the 65 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: for the reasons at the time that we left off 66 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: of the album that we can now add it and 67 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: it it feels like, you know, we got people hitting 68 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: us now like wow, why do you even leave that off? 69 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: Why didn't you? Cluth Is and you know, so it's 70 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: it's it's just an honor, you know. 71 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: I love how it's it's so it's so great for 72 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 3: the fans to be able to not only go back, 73 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 3: but to find those you know, those gems that you 74 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 3: know have suddenly appeared, and that's so cool. What was 75 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 3: so amazing about that whole album as well? So many 76 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 3: of the collaborators that were part of it. Can you 77 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 3: talk about that because it was full of additional you know, 78 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 3: friends and support who really you know, made a big 79 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: difference on it obviously. 80 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: Definitely, I mean wow, I mean you figure j D 81 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: or Dylla. You know, he was someone from since the 82 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: Stakes is High album. You know, we felt like whatever 83 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: consists of him, he he will. We just felt like 84 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 2: he will always be an ingredient on any project we 85 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: do from that point on. So you know, you figure 86 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 2: when grind Date was, when we started working on there, 87 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: he was one of the first guys we hit. We 88 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 2: love Matt Lib, always loved Matt Lib. We were running 89 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: out in and out of a lot of places with 90 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: Doom and so you know, we saw our clothes. He 91 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: had this relationships music relationship relationship with him, so we 92 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: definitely look forward to like, hey, let's try something, let's 93 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: look into what he could bring to the table and 94 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 2: with us and he I mean wow, I mean like 95 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: the amount of music he gave to us to listen 96 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: to it was so much like it was almost like 97 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: I would just spend days like you know, just like wow, 98 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 2: like this is incredible. And we tried actually a lot 99 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: of different things to to some of his music. So 100 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 2: it was just great to have that mind state that 101 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: Matt Lib had to then marry ourselves to to who 102 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: and what he is and uh super Dave Wes, I 103 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: mean Dave Wes's that's like my my little brother. I 104 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: mean we became I mean like he became very close 105 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: to all of us, but I mean like he's just 106 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 2: like a he's a good friend of mine, I feel, 107 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 2: and from U take getting music from him from the 108 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 2: first Aoy album once again, he was just he was 109 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: just like you know, it was almost like a production team. 110 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: Like at that point, Dave West was damned near like 111 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 2: a part of Daylave, you know, so we was definitely 112 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,239 Speaker 2: I mean, he would probably be one of the first 113 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: people we start like scratching and getting stuff from and 114 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 2: configuring and you know, even when we would get stuff 115 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: from like say j D or Dylah. You know, like 116 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 2: Dave West could be sitting right there and he would 117 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 2: be a part of the think tanking and hearing what 118 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: we're trying to do, and you would give give advice. 119 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: So super Dave West was just an intricate part of 120 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 2: what we were doing. Jake One, man, it was. It 121 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: was crazy because like this beautiful brother named John Moore, 122 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: he had became friends with us. He lived in Seattle. 123 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: And Vitamin D, who's just an absolute amazing artist and producer. 124 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: He's John Moore's He was a younger brother and so 125 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: we got to know that camp and so bigger is 126 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: what Vitamin D did, and we had actually tried some 127 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: other tracks from him, but it was just like by 128 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 2: dealing with Vitamin D, he was like, Yo, it's this 129 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: guy we know named Jake One. You may want to 130 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: listen to him. The rest is history because you know, 131 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: Jick One gave us Rocko Came Flow and days of 132 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: our lives. We was like, Yo, this is absolutely crazy. 133 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: So yeah, it was just this too much fun man 134 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: making those making that with them, and ghost Face has 135 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: just been you know, we look up to him lyrically 136 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: person from his personality what he brings to the Wu 137 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: Tang clan and all his solo projects. You know, when 138 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: Dave West had put together the track that wound up 139 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: becoming He Comes, you know, we just just thinking of 140 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: different people and we was like, man, listen like ghost 141 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: Face Kill Live he was on this record. He would 142 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: just bring so much life to it in which he did, 143 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,599 Speaker 2: you know, so it was just amazing to happen to 144 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: be a part in common is just our family, calm 145 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 2: and his family. He even like, I think we ran 146 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: into him somewhere and he was like, look, man, you 147 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 2: know I still rhyme. Don't don't get it twisted. You 148 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: know I'm acting, but I can rhyme. And we all laughing. 149 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: He's like, yo, I won't be on this new album. 150 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 2: Work on a new album. And so we figured out 151 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 2: we had to jake one beat waiting and we was 152 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: like trying to figure out who to get on him. 153 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: He's like, yo, send that to comment or you know, communist. 154 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: It's something that's always so amazing on it and flavor 155 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: Flave Man, Flavor Flave Wow. I mean like Dave was 156 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: like mersed like this this mad live record like it 157 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: just sounds like labor should be talking on it. I said, yo, 158 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 2: let me ask, and you know when we asked him, 159 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: you know, he was immediately with it, and like I 160 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: just remembered him coming to the studio and he was like, yo, man, 161 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: you know, like if y'all really think about it, he's like, 162 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: I don't talk. You don't really find me talking on 163 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: anything outside of public entity, you know, like you know, 164 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: and I was like, word, He's like, yo, Like I 165 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: don't normally do that. So you know, like you know, 166 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: like I love y'all and like to do like ad libs, 167 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 2: like to be doing ad libs, like if I'm doing 168 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 2: that's what I do with Chuck. Cause I was like, nah, 169 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: you did some ice cream? He said nah, he was 170 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: like ice shoot thing. I rhymed. He's like, but to 171 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: be that, that s nature. I'm rocking up against someone 172 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: with ad libs. He said, I only do that with 173 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 2: Chuck And he said, I love y'all and that's why 174 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: I'm doing this. I was like wow. I was like, 175 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 2: it's an honor, you know. So that's what we really 176 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: got out of him on that record, and he I 177 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: mean that part he added to that record it just 178 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: took it to a whole another level for us. So 179 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: you know, man, it's just so many great people we 180 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: had on there. Yummy as well. Yummy is just a great, 181 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: a great at that point friend of ours, a little 182 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: little sister of ours, and we just thought her voice 183 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 2: could be magic on the record. To know a record. No, 184 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 2: so she she came to through and did what she 185 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: does best was just sang. She didn't sing, she sang. 186 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 2: And of course, man, the incredible like I said, MF doom, 187 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: that record just sounded so tormenting. We was like, yo, 188 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 2: we was like this sounds like MF doom, like doom, 189 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: got a rhyme on this, and we reached out. I mean, 190 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: he came through, he had I just remember that session 191 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: so well because you know, he had to mask with 192 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 2: him and he sat down. He had this devilish grin 193 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh boy, what you got we're doing? No, No, 194 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: I'm ready to let me in the booth. And when 195 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: he went in that booth, he lit that thing a fire. 196 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: So I was like, yeah, you knew you was about 197 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: to blow this off because no, you know, you know, 198 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh God, this record is going 199 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 2: to be incredible. To this day, I really have no 200 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 2: idea why we didn't do a video for that that. 201 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: I mean, like, that song was the song that because 202 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: even when we got that record from Jake, Jake put 203 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: that on the beat CD he sent me by mistake. 204 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 2: So when I told him, like, Yo, it's this song, 205 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: it's just like these these people singing and it slows down, 206 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 2: he was like, oh shit. He was like, wow, he's 207 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: a possible. I didn't even really mean I wasn't both 208 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: to put that on there, and I was like, well, 209 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: it's on there and we're taking it, and he was like, yo, 210 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 2: I wouldn't even have thought y'all would have wanted to 211 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: take this, I are you crazy? And yeah, that rock 212 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: cocaine flow as Wow. Man, that was just and like 213 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 2: I said, once Done got on it, man, it was 214 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: just it was just a dream come true to do 215 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: something with Done, who was a really good friend of ours, 216 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: and finally get him on something amazing. 217 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 3: Do you have a sense when you're in that moment 218 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 3: that you're really in rarefied air in terms of the 219 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,239 Speaker 3: chemistry and the spirit of the whole collaboration. 220 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: I think there are moments like that for me. I 221 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: mean honestly, if we're talking about just specifically grind Day, 222 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: that's what I felt with Rock Cocaine Flow. Like I 223 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: was like, man, this is going to be incredible. And 224 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: then I was even like, yo, what if we put 225 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: let's put let's put Lenny Kravitz on it at the 226 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: end it's playing the guitar. And then people was like, 227 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 2: come on, Merc, you're going too far. You're going too far. 228 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 2: He was there was he was like, look, you could 229 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: end it with I hear the idea about ending it 230 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: with someone playing the guitar and it takes on this 231 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: thing and you're rhyme. He said, we can definitely try that, 232 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: but he was like Lenny Kravitz, He's like, no, no, no, 233 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 2: let's let's don't do that. Let's don't do that. I said, 234 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 2: all right, all right, cool, cool. But yeah, I mean, 235 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: I mean that record was just special. Man. It was 236 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 2: truly truly special. But like everything else, you know, like 237 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 2: of course, I mean verbal clap just like, it was 238 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 2: just had this amazing feel to it. And once I 239 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: had added to to the production and I added the 240 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 2: put on things aside, everyone was like, Yo, this is 241 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 2: gonna be crazy. So yeah, it was it's just moments 242 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 2: where you're just like, you just get these goosebumps. Man, 243 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: You're like, Yo, this is just going to be something 244 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 2: really really cool. 245 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 4: Yeah man, well yeah yeah. Can you talk about what 246 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 4: inspired you to to first start your journey in music 247 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 4: and how it all really came together first. 248 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: I mean, it was just something that grab you in 249 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: the neighborhood. You know, we all were you know, you 250 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: love music. You know you you can have the amazing 251 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: records that your parents could have in the house and 252 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: it's listening and you love music, and you the era 253 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: of like, you know, being on your little your roller 254 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: skates and listen to all the great disco or R 255 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: and B, but then listening to a radio and all 256 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: the cool, amazing records that now they consider yacht rock 257 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: or whatever, like, you know, whether it's Boston and Chicago 258 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 2: or Steely Dan and Doybody, all that we were disaffected 259 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: by in such a positive way. So when hip hop, 260 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: this thing that came about called hip hop where you're 261 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: just rhyming over your favorite rock record, your favorite jazz record, 262 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: or just some record you don't even know where it 263 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: comes from. But it just happened to have this breakdown 264 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 2: that older statesman who is maybe only like eight years 265 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 2: older than us. They've now made this a standard, like 266 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: this Sirone record. I didn't know who Sarone was until 267 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: our rocking in the pocket and then so I mean like, yeah, 268 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: it just took that made me feel like this is 269 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 2: what I want to do, like I want to do 270 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: this now. Mind you, I'm super young, I'm in school, 271 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: but it really just held your heart. It has helped 272 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: your soul. So when it was about really feeling like, 273 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: you know what we can, like, you know, we got 274 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: these crews. You listen to these crews on these different tapes. 275 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: You know, you listen, you hear Bizmarcky on the tape 276 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: rhyming and biz Mark is always showing up to our school. 277 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: And here it is. You can hear of these tapes 278 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: of Dougie freshen them in the basement. You know, let's 279 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: you know, let's get equipment and let's let us start 280 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: doing the same thing. It was just as simple as that, 281 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 2: and people just start getting better at it. And you know, 282 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: you have people saying like, yo, you're pretty good at this. 283 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: And you know, I always loved to write. If I 284 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: wasn't doing this, I could have been a writer. You know, 285 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 2: I was into comic books. I was always into like 286 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: stuff like that. So yeah, I mean rhyming. It was 287 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: just it just called out to me. Hip hop honestly 288 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 2: called out to me. Yeah, Me, Dave and Mace Man 289 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: just practicing in the house and just getting better. And 290 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: and I mean honestly once Prince Paul once, you know, 291 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 2: because he was just such an amazing DJ in the 292 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: neighborhood and you know, to see him get down with 293 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: Stetso Sonic and then they made this record that just 294 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 2: energized the entire the entire neighborhood. It was like Paul 295 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: made it, and he was like, may the I being 296 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 2: from Long Island can make it. And then you start 297 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: seeing you know, wow, these guys from Base Shore EPMD 298 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 2: made it, or these guys who we actually met before 299 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 2: called JVC Force, they got to wreck it out. And 300 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: you know, all these artists from your your your Same 301 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: Island Rock, cam Biz, Marcky, they just energized you and 302 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: confirmed that you can do this. And so we just 303 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: took our chances. And that's how we just were blessed 304 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 2: enough to finally put together that demo and and have 305 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 2: a bunch of labels love it, and we went with 306 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 2: Tommy Boy. 307 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more of the Taking a 308 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 309 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 3: Were there early mentors that really kind of helped drive 310 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 3: that work and that passion and fuel that that you know, 311 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 3: enthusiasm or was it really just observing what was going 312 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 3: on and being, you know, just so observant of it 313 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 3: that that was enough for. 314 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 2: You observant honestly, just you know, watching whatever video you watch, 315 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 2: listening to whatever radio personality. We were young, but we 316 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: would go we would leave. 317 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 5: Long Island and go into the city to go to 318 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 5: whatever the club was at that point, which a big 319 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 5: one was Latin Quarters, and you know, we had a 320 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 5: fake ID and we made it in somehow and you 321 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 5: know you see red alert DJing and you know then 322 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 5: back then there weren't no VIP sections, so you I 323 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 5: could be on the floor looking at the stage kros 324 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 5: One bdps go out to get on booget on productions. 325 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 2: But Caine, Big Daddy Kane is standing right there, and 326 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: Rox and Chante's like you, they were standing and standing 327 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 2: right there in your vicinity and it's like all that 328 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 2: energy you took in how they interact you looking at them, 329 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 2: how they interact with their friends. And you go back 330 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 2: to Long Island, you're like, you just energize and you're 331 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 2: writing and you're trying. You're just trying to get better 332 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: at what you're doing. So it's really observing, I would 333 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 2: say one Mentor definitely was as well. He lived on 334 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 2: my block. Our music teacher, mister Collins, Ever Collins and 335 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 2: every Collins. He was a tour drummer for Eisley Brothers. 336 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: He was the music teacher at our school. He was 337 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: he was in the group Surface, who made songs like 338 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: you know, you know, you know, make me happy, and 339 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 2: so he was a writer in Surface. He was in 340 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 2: that group. So it was he was like a you know, 341 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 2: a very humbling superstar in our neighborhood. But he was 342 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 2: much older, of course, and he so like he was 343 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 2: just always had great words for us, great understanding, and 344 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 2: so just to have like all the things you were 345 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 2: viewing on your own you could just talk about from 346 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: this amazing musician who was a part of the industry. 347 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: It was just those are all the all the other 348 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: all the people or like whether it's him or just 349 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: the things you observe that you use to take in 350 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 2: to then use as input or output into what he 351 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: was trying to do. 352 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 3: Was there a moment that was a particular turning point 353 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 3: for Dala Soul that you could sort of pinpoint. 354 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 2: When when we felt like it was going to happen, 355 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 2: or even after it. 356 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 3: Happened, when you felt like it was going to happen. 357 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, once once Paul came into the picture, 358 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 2: we knew it was gonna happen, like Paul working along 359 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 2: with Mace on something like Mace was working on something, 360 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: because it just it was like it was like another 361 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 2: DJ in the group. Actually he went on to want 362 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 2: to do his own thing. He was just like, yo, 363 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's like I don't know if 364 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 2: this could really happen here with y'all guys, and maybe 365 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 2: it looks like I can DJ for this person at 366 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 2: who's over here the Jews crew And you know it 367 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: was this young lady named Mom Dimple's d was part 368 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: of Cold Chilling. He was DJing for her or I 369 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 2: think one time like maybe one of Light's DJ Light 370 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: DJ had got sick and he did something with her. 371 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 2: So he just felt like you know what, I could 372 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 2: just do something over here, doesn't really seem like something's 373 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: happening here. Mace, he was now being pulled into doing 374 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: something with this guy around the surrounding neighborhood name Gangster B, 375 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: and Gangster B was going to now do something on 376 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 2: this label that mister Collins, who lived on my block 377 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 2: he was trying to put together. So Mace took it 378 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 2: upon himself to kind of say things differently. He was like, look, 379 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: I can do this, but this could be the way 380 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 2: to get us in to the door, you know, get 381 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: us in. And I felt like, wow, that's that's amazing 382 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 2: that even though Mace could have this opportunity, he's staying 383 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 2: loyal to me and Dave about what we could be doing. 384 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: And so mister Collins brought Prince Paul in to try 385 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 2: to remix this record that Mace and this other EMC 386 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 2: gangs to be put together. And that's when Mace and 387 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 2: Paul really started talking about Mace start telling him like, yo, 388 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: I got these guys Merce and David Paul knew who 389 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: we were from the neighborhood, but he was like where 390 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: he was like Merce like little Mersey because he knew 391 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: my older brother, He's like he rhymes, and he tried 392 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 2: to tell me Dave Jolliport rhymes and he's like yo. 393 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: And so when Paul heard the demos of what Me, 394 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: Mace and Dave was doing, he just felt like, this 395 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: is what I want to be in a business. And 396 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 2: he was like, please tell your guys come to my house. 397 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: Let's have a meeting. And once Paul had that meeting 398 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: with us, he overdubbed our demos with stuff he added, 399 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: and he was like, I can promise you can have 400 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 2: a shot. That's what I will promise. And I just 401 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 2: knew it was going to happen from there, and from 402 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 2: there it did. Him and Daddy Oh. We went into 403 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 2: the studio Callipe Studios professionally fixed up our songs and 404 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 2: him and Daddy LL started shopping. Daddy O was shopping 405 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 2: an MC. He had a blind MC. I forgot his name, 406 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 2: and say that say Daddy O's artists was on said A. 407 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 2: Paul had us on side B and they were shop 408 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 2: it and people were just falling in love with us. 409 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 2: So I knew it was going to happen from that point. 410 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 3: You know, you faced challenges over your career with record 411 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 3: labels and sample clearances and things of that nature. How 412 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 3: did those experiences shape your outlook and your resilience in 413 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 3: the midst of the industry. 414 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 2: Well, it definitely got you more focused on being on 415 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: point with your business. We handed in the music. I mean, 416 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 2: we've still told the story of thousands of times, hundreds 417 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 2: of thousands, but we handed in the music. We we 418 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 2: we you know, it was kind of like, you know, 419 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 2: certain songs that was like obvious, like that's that's pegt 420 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 2: frum stilly there, and but this may be weird horn 421 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: or blah blah blah, this is from this record, so 422 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,239 Speaker 2: we hand it in the notes. And so when it 423 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 2: came back that these things weren't cleared, it just really 424 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: got us on top of our business. And mind you, 425 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 2: I mean, between d LA Soul and Biz Markey, we 426 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 2: actually created the business of sample lawyers. So I mean like, yeah, 427 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 2: it just got us more on point on making sure. Okay, 428 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 2: so let's write all this information down. We will make 429 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,719 Speaker 2: sure that once we hand all these things into the label, 430 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 2: they have to give us confirmation show us that you 431 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 2: know this is being cleared, like, oh, you sampled that record, 432 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: so now the master recording that's owned by Universal or whoever. 433 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 2: They're showing that. It's a quote, so we will see 434 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: it all from beginning to end. There's a quote out. 435 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: This is what they want. Do y'all want to pay 436 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 2: that for this sample? We could say yes, so no 437 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 2: we say yeah, okay, and then you saw when it 438 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: was the sample was paid for. So it just really 439 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 2: helped us to be more more on point with the 440 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: business side of things. And yeah, it was it was 441 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: a little rough at some point, but even in the roughness, 442 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 2: there was still like just honestly amazing things that came 443 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: out of it, because you know, like even when the 444 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 2: Turtles suited us, it was like, but then when we 445 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: sit down with their lawyer, it was just like, you know, 446 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: he's a big fan, and it was just like moments 447 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 2: of this this sunshine through rain, it was like okay, 448 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 2: and you know, and so I mean, yeah, we got 449 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,719 Speaker 2: through it, and we just grew up a lot quicker 450 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 2: in terms of understanding the business, which was important because 451 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 2: if you didn't take it upon yourself to take part 452 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 2: in the business side and only paid attention to creativity, 453 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 2: you could turn around and do something that wouldn't be 454 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 2: best for your interests. 455 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 3: So did you you set up a separate sort of 456 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 3: business vertical on clearance the samples? Is that what you 457 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 3: you said. 458 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: Well, we worked along with the label, but like it 459 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 2: was an outside clearance that then sent us. So basically, yeah, 460 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 2: an outside clearance company who would let Tommy Boy and 461 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 2: us see okay, so this is what's going on. Like 462 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 2: a Deborah McGann it's DMG, she would be like, okay, 463 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 2: so yeah, like y'all you've now sampled this artist for this, 464 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: this composition you put together. This is what the master 465 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 2: recording is saying that they want. This is what the 466 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 2: publishing side writers are saying, do y'all want to pay this? 467 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 2: So we were seeing the paperwork all at the same time, 468 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: which allowed us to then know like, okay, so this 469 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 2: is being cleared. This is we didn't just give it 470 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 2: to like certain people at Tommy Boy and just walk 471 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 2: away la la la la lat and next thing you know, 472 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: the album comes out. And then because that's what happened 473 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 2: with the first album, like they were, we weren't involved 474 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 2: in whatever and whatever process, whatever was cleared, we didn't know, 475 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 2: and obviously what didn't get cleared because maybe the exact 476 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 2: sat time boy felt like, you know, this is a 477 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 2: great record, but until that point, maybe this just be 478 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 2: a regional record. It may not go big, it may 479 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: not become a national thing. And three ft high and rising, 480 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 2: as we know to this day became national international. It flew, 481 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 2: It flew around the world, so it was a lot 482 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 2: of eyes and ears on it, and therefore would it 483 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 2: not just being a regional record. Different companies who could 484 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 2: own that. Sam will be like, yo, this is a 485 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: great record, but you know, DayLA's old and reach out 486 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 2: to us. Oldest reading wife could be like yo, like 487 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 2: they never reached out to us, like you know. So 488 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 2: that was the stuff that was happening. 489 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 3: When you put in a bottle. What it's like to 490 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 3: win a Grammy, explain that to me. How does it feel? 491 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 2: I mean it feels. And I just say this for 492 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 2: me honestly, because like any plaque I have, any award, 493 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: I've gotten none of them to this day, I've ever 494 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 2: really put plaques on walls like I've never done that. 495 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 2: Really it's rare, but it's just somewhat of a confirmation 496 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: that it just makes you feel like, Wow, this work 497 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 2: we put in people are acknowledging it. I just come 498 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 2: from an era one hundred percent that we never made 499 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 2: records to win Grammys. We never made records to do this, 500 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,959 Speaker 2: you know, like we made We made this piece of 501 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 2: art in the midst of just making in that present moment, 502 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 2: this piece of art, and we had the superpower to 503 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 2: make it. We had we we had other people with superpowers, 504 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,239 Speaker 2: whether we're management or record execs to now you know, 505 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 2: positively exploit it to now make more people know it's there. 506 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 2: And all that work comes back in this this award 507 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 2: that shows that you did. You've now passed this threshold 508 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 2: of making it to this point and your peers recognize 509 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 2: you in the and the fans recognize you, and it's 510 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: a great feeling because it was never honestly made for them, 511 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: they just magically could feel as I have as a 512 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 2: music listener, where Steve wanted to make no music for 513 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 2: Kelvin Mercer, but Kelvin Mercer can relate to this Stevie 514 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: Wonner record that touched my heart. And that's what I'm 515 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: blessed to be as a musician. This group, this group 516 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 2: I'm a part of where fans and listeners can feel 517 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: that like you've touched my soul. And therefore I'm going 518 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 2: to spend my money to buy your music or listen 519 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: to your music, and we're rewarded for it. 520 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 3: You may have read my mind to the last question, 521 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 3: which is what's your secret to staying so inspired after 522 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 3: decades in the business. 523 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 2: Constantly listening to new music? And I mean I've always 524 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: been like that. So, I mean, whether I was seventeen 525 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: years old, I've always was about I don't want to 526 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 2: just try to get use my cassette to record music 527 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 2: off of the FM radio station with the strongest signal. 528 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 2: I will go down to the college radio stations and 529 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: try to get the first bit of stuff. I remember, 530 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 2: like this college station that could play demos around the 531 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: different regions and I heard two live crew first, like 532 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 2: when they submitted demos to this college station. So and 533 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 2: I'll be like, yo, listen to this. Like I've always 534 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 2: been about studying and listening to music. So even to 535 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: this day as a fifty five year old man, like 536 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 2: I'm on every site you can think of, or even 537 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 2: when you're on your respective streaming services, and I allow 538 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 2: that rabbit hole, that suggestive thing to now, oh you 539 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 2: like this, listen to that, and I'll just find a 540 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 2: time to just listen to music, and it inspires even 541 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 2: down to the music, young music that could be like okay, 542 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be talking about this, I ain't trying to 543 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 2: shoot and kill nobody. But the energy and how the 544 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 2: person could present the rhyme and how the music could 545 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: move it could draw something that makes me want to 546 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 2: pin something real quick, even if it's into opposition of 547 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 2: what the person is saying, like now, it shouldn't be 548 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 2: like that me right, I'm still getting inspired. So I 549 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 2: think that all plays a part of it. Reading, viewing 550 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 2: things around you, but taking the time to even you know, 551 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 2: shut out the world, shout out the news, shut out 552 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 2: reading and just look at my kids and look at 553 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: my wife and all that this plays apart. I sponge 554 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: that to put it back into my pen or whatever 555 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: I'm creating musically. 556 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 3: Brilliant pause. Thank you so much. I really appreciate the time. 557 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 3: Congrats on the release of the twentieth anniversary I say, 558 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 3: celebration of the grind date. And it's an honor to 559 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 3: be able to take a walk with you. 560 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,719 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I appreciate it. 561 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks for listening to this episode of the 562 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk podcast. 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