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Speaker 1: Heer those Seriously, how did you guys do for the

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Speaker 1: This is Daniel Jeremiah a K Move the Sticks NFL networks,

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Speaker 1: draft analysts. What is buzzing through your body your system?

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Speaker 1: To be in this room on a show that is

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Speaker 1: think the Seahawks, the three of them going after each other.

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Speaker 1: Any other takeaways from the pressers today none. I I

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Speaker 1: thought it was interesting just because I learned something from

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Speaker 1: from Pete Carroll in terms of how the combine works.

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Speaker 1: He said that all the teams have a lottery held

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Speaker 1: before the combine starts to decide what spot you get

432
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Speaker 1: for the suite in which you can watch the combine,

433
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Speaker 1: which I found very interesting. I feel like that's something

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Speaker 1: that like we would do, and there's different strategy over

435
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Speaker 1: where you're you know, you get your suite, and he

436
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Speaker 1: was saying they got the thirty first pick this year,

437
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Speaker 1: so he's actually right, he's in the JW. Marriott was

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Speaker 1: his joke was his joke, and he was really like

439
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Speaker 1: really upset about that. I don't know, I guess you

440
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Speaker 1: would think it would be right on the fifty or

441
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Speaker 1: or maybe at the end of the forty. He said

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00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 1: he likes staying in the sweets because you can watch

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Speaker 1: it on and for the listener. I mean we we

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Speaker 1: we walked by a bunch of these suits were in

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Speaker 1: one taping now and we walked by I think it

446
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Speaker 1: was the Jet Suite. Beautiful pizzas, laid out, drinks, food.

447
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a class act organization. They do everything

448
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Speaker 1: right well, I think they all have food, but yet

449
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 1: they also have good pizza though. I also asked him

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Speaker 1: about Pearl Thomas, Uh, you know, whether they would give

451
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Speaker 1: him an extension. There's been some trade rumors with him,

452
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 1: and his answer to that was, well, a year ago

453
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Speaker 1: at this time, everyone thought Earl Thomas was going to retire,

454
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Speaker 1: and basically I think he was trying to make a

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Speaker 1: joke and just say like, I don't really take what Earl.

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Speaker 1: Thomas says that, seriously, that's just Earl being Earl. He's

457
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Speaker 1: a little crazy. Oh are you like this? Stand up

458
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: close and personal? Greg and I were with um less snead.

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Speaker 1: The hair is real, the hair game is legital. It's

460
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Speaker 1: always so. I mean, he's consistent even when the round

461
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Speaker 1: the rams are bad and his job was tenuous, his

462
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Speaker 1: job security was tenuous. The hair was always there. He

463
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 1: always had the blazer in the smart outfit. He's got

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Speaker 1: his act together, always has I He told the story

465
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Speaker 1: about how he has a word document, which I use

466
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Speaker 1: word documents still sometimes too, which I think David dates

467
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 1: myself and less like I didn't go only old people

468
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Speaker 1: do that at this point. But he has a word

469
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Speaker 1: document of all the most important things that he needs

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Speaker 1: to do, and at the top of it, in bold

471
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Speaker 1: red letters, is remember this feeling. And he wrote that

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Speaker 1: after they lost that playoff game, and he like, he

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Speaker 1: likes to look at that each day. It's like something

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Speaker 1: Kevin Costner would do in draft day. It's like something

475
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Speaker 1: Kevin Patrick would do. If you talk negatively about his body,

476
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Speaker 1: and he says, wow, white board, he almost gets he

477
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Speaker 1: gets bored of one color, so he keeps changing the

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Speaker 1: color around as I also get the sense from them

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Speaker 1: they're gonna try to they're gonna franchise tag LaMarcus joint.

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Speaker 1: He didn't say that at all, but I just think

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Speaker 1: that they're going to value keep. They'd like to keep

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Speaker 1: Joiner and Sammy Watkins, and they might be able to

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Speaker 1: do that. They might be able to figure out a

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Speaker 1: contract with Joiner before free agency, and then they could

485
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Speaker 1: use the tag on walking dude less need offer any

486
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Speaker 1: other insight on his his preferred computer applications. That was

487
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Speaker 1: probably the extent of it, but that that was more

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Speaker 1: than we got from other gm That's it. Well a

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Speaker 1: non verbal answer, Well mark answer, I wasn't there. I

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Speaker 1: didn't see. It's the Nexcel guy too. He likes the

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Speaker 1: whole Microsoft suite. Um. Yeah, see, some people, you know,

492
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Speaker 1: just pick and choose. Maybe he's just into all of them.

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Speaker 1: It's really into power Point all right. So there you go.

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Speaker 1: There are takeaways from day two of the pressors. There's

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Speaker 1: some more guys talking on Friday, but since we're not

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Speaker 1: going to be covering that on this podcast tomorrow, nothing

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Speaker 1: will come out of it. We largely will ignore them. Yes,

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Speaker 1: whether or not their news worthy will never be mentioned

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Speaker 1: on this show. All right, Now moving on, moving on,

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Speaker 1: we got again. We got Chase Goodbread coming up at

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Speaker 1: the bottom of the show. But now let's spin around

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Speaker 1: the league real quick and get caught up on some news.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let me tell you about my favorite pizza,

504
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: my way ten bucks. Any pizza, Pizza Hut, Flacco's favorite.

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Speaker 1: Check it out. Who was that, Lindsay, that was Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 1: I see it was Flacco. Um, Pizza Hut is now

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Speaker 1: the official sponsor, the official pizza of the NFL, unseating

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Speaker 1: Papa John's. Who. Uh you know things want sideways with

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Speaker 1: Papa John's this year. Um, you can put it that way. Uh, West,

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Speaker 1: you're a guy, you like pizza. Uh. Do you feel

511
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Speaker 1: like we've upgraded? Uh? The National Football League is up?

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Speaker 1: Careful here, West, Absolutely. Even before cancer, Papa John's was

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Speaker 1: the one food I could not eat. Yeah, my body

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Speaker 1: rejected it. Are we allowed to trash Papa John's now?

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's that's fair told a true story. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's do some news. We'll start with the Rams, since

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Speaker 1: you know we were just talking about, um, the microfoft,

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Speaker 1: Microsoft's uh suite package. Uh Tavon Austin, who two years

519
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Speaker 1: ago got a big contract extension or three years ago

520
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: wasn't summer of two thousand and sixty and a four year,

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00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: forty two million dollar deal left a lot of people

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Speaker 1: scratching their heads, including in this uh in this podcast group.

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Speaker 1: After a couple of seasons where he just never has

524
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Speaker 1: broken out, they've now made the decision that they will

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Speaker 1: either trade or release the former number eight overall pick.

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Speaker 1: This according to Mike Garret folo um Mark, Austin has

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Speaker 1: been a gadget player essentially that they never found a

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Speaker 1: way to make a real offensive stud. There were moments

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking back to a a longer post that West

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Speaker 1: wrote one time during I believe Austin's second season where

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Speaker 1: he started especially a return man, to show these flashes

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Speaker 1: where you thought the potential would be unleashed. One of

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Speaker 1: the most fascinating, like when you when you study a

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Speaker 1: few guys going into the draft, when we do, because

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Speaker 1: it's not a billion he was one of the most

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Speaker 1: interesting college players to watch that I can remember, because

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Speaker 1: of all that he could do, and they really, the

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Speaker 1: Rams thought so much of him and it never panned out.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if another team will take a shot. But

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Speaker 1: it's like it's essentially a draft bust Is that a

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Speaker 1: bad player? But he You're right. There was a ton

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Speaker 1: of hype around Austin going into that draft, and it

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Speaker 1: looked like the Rams had themselves a major playmaker. It

544
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Speaker 1: just never really happened. We used to kill Brian Schottenheimer

545
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Speaker 1: on this podcast when he was offensive coordinating the Rams

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Speaker 1: for not knowing how to maximize Tavon Austin's unique skill set.

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Speaker 1: And then a guy like Sean McVeigh, who is Coach

548
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Speaker 1: of the Year and one of the best offensive minds

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Speaker 1: in football. Tavon Austin I everage just three point six

550
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Speaker 1: yards per catch under Sean McVeigh with only thirteen catches,

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Speaker 1: no role in that offense. So I think once Sean

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Speaker 1: McVeigh doesn't know how to do anything more than use

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Speaker 1: you as a jet sweep fake to get Tug Gurley going,

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Speaker 1: I wonder what his next move is or where he's

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Speaker 1: going to turn his career. I mean, he was a

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00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: terrible return me and last year he lost his confidence,

557
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: lost that job. He only played a couple of snaps.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the worst contracts I believe in the

559
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Speaker 1: last decade because I think the worst possible contract you

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00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: can have is to give a second contract to a bust.

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Speaker 1: It's when you can't self scout your own team. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's one of the worst moves less Need has ever made.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he would agree with that. To give that

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Speaker 1: much money to a guy that was already in your

565
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Speaker 1: building for three or four years, it's a huge mistake

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Speaker 1: because they're gonna have a lot of dead money on

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Speaker 1: their cap. They're saving some money. It'll it'll free it

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Speaker 1: up to spend. They have a lot of important free agents,

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Speaker 1: so it's it's it's a no brainer move, but they're

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Speaker 1: still gonna be paying for it. That's not hindsight either,

571
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Speaker 1: that that signing that contract was lampooned by almost the

572
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Speaker 1: entire football industry when it happened. It happened on hard

573
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: knocks too, so it gave it even more. It was

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00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,479
Speaker 1: even more in the spotlight at the time. Moving on

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00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: terror news out of Western New York. The statement a

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00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: statement released by the Buffalo Bills. Jim Kelly his oral

577
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: cancer that he uh fought and beat has now returned

578
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: and he has to He's now gonna undergo treatment to

579
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: to fight the cancer again. Obviously, cancer is something that

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00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: uh with Chris here West here that the fight getting

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Speaker 1: a front row seat with West and seeing how much

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Speaker 1: you've been through West and how you've been so great

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Speaker 1: and amazing during the process. Kelly, it was very public

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Speaker 1: his his first fight, so you know that he has

585
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: the fight in him. But it just shows you, Wes,

586
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: and you know better than anyone, wait, how cruel cancer

587
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: can be. Well immediately thought how heartbreaking it has to

588
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Speaker 1: be for the people close to him who had to

589
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Speaker 1: watch him go through that. And then you think about

590
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Speaker 1: the first thing I thought of was him being such

591
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Speaker 1: a competitor. He's known as one of the toughest quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: ever to play. Mentally and physically, that resolve he's gonna

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Speaker 1: he's gonna need it, He's gonna need all of that,

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Speaker 1: because it's one of my great fears that I would

595
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: have to go through that again. And physically your body's ravaged,

596
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: but just mentally, you know you have to gear up

597
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: for that fight again. And I think it's natural to

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00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: wonder do I really want to go through this? So

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Speaker 1: I really do think being a competitor has to be

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Speaker 1: a huge asset for him. He's such a unique person

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Speaker 1: in the NFL landscape. If you think about it, just

602
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Speaker 1: it's almost like he's his connection with the city of Buffalo,

603
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: and I think that was as strong as possible before

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00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: this all happened, and then after it happened, it's it's

605
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: almost brought him into a different light and legacy than

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Speaker 1: than he had beforehand. And even maybe part of it

607
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: is losing those super rules instead of when there's there's

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Speaker 1: something really unique just about Jim Kelly and his importance

609
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Speaker 1: to that city. I think that that that you can't

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Speaker 1: really replicate anywhere else, and I can only imagine what

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00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: you've been through, West, But I do think think that

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Speaker 1: the one good thing that came out of it, and

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Speaker 1: it mirrors Jim Kelly the first time we went through this,

614
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Speaker 1: and I would imagine the second time, is how much

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Speaker 1: people have learned about you through what you've been through,

616
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Speaker 1: but also learned just how strong you are. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's like I can't imagine if it happened to me

618
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Speaker 1: to to respond the way that you did, and Jim

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Speaker 1: Kelly very much in the in the similar light. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I've used this word before. I think sometimes

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Speaker 1: I get too much credit because you really don't have

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Speaker 1: any choice but to be strong. That's what it forces

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Speaker 1: out of you. You can either give up or you can't.

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Speaker 1: And I think most people I know would choose to fight,

625
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: so so I think I do get a little too

626
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: much credit for that. But yeah, I think it does

627
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Speaker 1: take some strength, especially on the mental front, just to

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Speaker 1: go through that. Uh. So, best wishes to Jim Kelly

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Speaker 1: uh and his family as they go through this UH situation.

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Speaker 1: And finally in the news, you know, we we wanted

631
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Speaker 1: to UH hit this on Monday and it just got

632
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Speaker 1: away from us, missed it. So I want to make

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00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 1: sure we get this because, as you know, Gino Smith

634
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: uh is former Jets quarterback current he's heading back to

635
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: the free agency market. Greg for a long time has

636
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: said that Geno Smith can play well. I wonder if

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Speaker 1: this changes your opinion at all. A tweet from Gino

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Speaker 1: Smith uh, Greg, I've been studying this whole flat Earth

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Speaker 1: versus globe thing, and I think I maybe with Kyrie

640
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Speaker 1: that's Kyrie Irving of the Celtics on this. Before you judge,

641
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: do some h W. I assume that means homework, But

642
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Speaker 1: what do you guys think I think you're adult a

643
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: a master words smith. Let's start there. Uh, Greg, does

644
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: this shake your foundation of team Gino? No, I think

645
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 1: he sees the the world in a unique way, like

646
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: he sees the football field in a unique way. You

647
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: can't you. I mean, look at Kyrie Irving, the other

648
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: man who was mentioned in this tweet, a a singular talent.

649
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: There's not really any other Kyrie everyone, There's not any

650
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: other Geno Smiths. Why are you backing anti intellectual intellectualism

651
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: on this show? I mean he's been doing it. It's

652
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: this is all based on those four starts at the

653
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: end of the two thousand fourteen season. You're still riding

654
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: and die over that. I'm not really defending this um

655
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: preposterous take. I did enjoy him going back and forth

656
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: on Twitter with all these people with with all these people,

657
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: including like guys that are in the military, and we're saying,

658
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, as part of you know, making our maps,

659
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: like the you know, you need the earth to be

660
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: curved or none of it would work and we wouldn't,

661
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, arrive in certain places. And it's just and

662
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: Gino's like, well, you know, we can each have our disagreements,

663
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: like we can need It's like no, it's a fact,

664
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: it's science. It's like it's like no, we just see that.

665
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: We'll have to agree to disagree. That's not allowed. That's

666
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: not allowed to like, yeah, we'll disagree to disagree on that.

667
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: About today, how do you have night and day without

668
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: a globe? How do you have seasons without a globe?

669
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: How is it that we can look at other planets

670
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: from a telescope they all are shaped like a globe,

671
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: and yet we would be the only planet that's flat.

672
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: The only thing I could get behind is if everything

673
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: is simply a computer simulation, and I would I go

674
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: down that road potentially? This is absurd. I also think

675
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: from a strategy angle, Geno Smith riddled with uh, you know,

676
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: question marks and red flags of varying degrees. Why as

677
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: you're about to hit free agency, meet with teams, try

678
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: to convince them that you're you're a capable fill in

679
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: at the most important position in sports? Are you getting

680
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: into arguments about flat earth theory on Twitter with idiots?

681
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: Why are you're getting your job broken in training camp

682
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: before you're about to start the season as a quarter?

683
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: Why are you rooting against the other quarterbacks on your

684
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: own team on national television. You know, he did answer

685
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: my tweet on it. I saw that, what do you say?

686
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: I wrote, if it is flat, the lack of gravitational

687
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: pool might explain all those interceptions you throw, and maybe

688
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: you are onto something. And he replied, let's see here.

689
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: He said, Lindsay, you tried it all, but no, try

690
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: harder next time, pal. And then I replied to him

691
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: and I said, oh, I had a pretty good reply.

692
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: Let me fun it's coming from the guy who ignores

693
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: science and tells other people to do homework. Yeah, that

694
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: wasn't that was my reply. I said, Actually, buddy, it's science.

695
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: What a food? What if you well, just to your

696
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: point what you were saying. Another Twitter interaction, although won't

697
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: match Lindsay's, a guy replied, we've seen pictures of Earth

698
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 1: from the moon. Gino replies, in this day and age,

699
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: with photoshop and everything, you trusting a picture any video footage?

700
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: How about yes, there's a lot of video footage of

701
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: the Earth from space. Well, not to mention, you know

702
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,280
Speaker 1: the hundreds of people that have seen Earth from space. Whatever,

703
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: we are just one last thing. We are in a

704
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: life or day death space race with Russia at the time,

705
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,479
Speaker 1: and they don't question anything about us landing on the moon.

706
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: They don't question whether the Earth is flat or not.

707
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, but Tina Smith is gonna take like

708
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: photoshop technology to nineteen sixty nine. I guess it's Greg's boy. Well,

709
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: I see it is incredible that you know, different people

710
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: can view the same thing, like me and West when

711
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: we view Gina Smith or Geno Smith in the rest

712
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: of the world and you see those two things differently. Well, Greg,

713
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: it's like you versus every other person when it comes

714
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: to Gino Smith. I mean, he's he's getting jobs in

715
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: the NFL last year, played pretty well against the race.

716
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: What's happening in the news? Moving on, alright, we got

717
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: another guest here at Indianapolis the NFL combine, Chase good

718
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: Bread of College Football seven on NFL dot Com. He

719
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: kills it every year. One of the best names in

720
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: the game. I call him Carbs Chase good Red. What's

721
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: up by that? It's clever, Carbs took It took almost

722
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: five years for me to see the view from the

723
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: top of this particular mountain. It's breath take. Yes, Chase,

724
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: Chase is uh a real college stud in terms of analysis,

725
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: used to cover Alabama. You're an Alabama native? You lived

726
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: there today? Right? I do? Well, I'm native to Jacksonville, Florida,

727
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: but I live in Tuscaloosa. Right, didn't move from six

728
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: years of covering the team hired by the NFL. They

729
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: said stay where you're at. I was great with that,

730
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: and we have. We've had a faux Southerner and Chris

731
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: Westling here for years, so now to have an actual

732
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: Southern it feels good. Well, Jacksonville is only about two

733
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: hours from Tybee Island, so I made my fair share

734
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: of Jacksonville trip. This is weird kind of fake Southern accent.

735
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: It's nice to hear a real one scanty accent. So

736
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: Carbs got boots on the ground. Uh here with all

737
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: the college prospects. Uh in town and uh. You've been

738
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: writing a lot so far this week, Chase about the quarterbacks,

739
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: which everyone is fascinated by this quarterback class. What have

740
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: been What's your kind of a big takeaway right now

741
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: in terms of what are we dealing with here? Are

742
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: we dealing with like a true special class or is

743
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: it's still way too early to make any type of

744
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: guests yeah, of course it's of course it's too early,

745
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: but it's it's gonna be a cool watch. I mean,

746
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: you look at you mix guys like traditional quarterbacks like

747
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: Donald and Rosen and Allen in with guys like Baker

748
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: Mayfield and Lamar Jackson. It's just gonna it's gonna make

749
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: for a fun mix. Lamar Jackson is the most electric

750
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: college football player there has been in years, and so

751
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: it's um, I mean, he's he's he's just on another

752
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: level every game he plays. He's the best athlete of

753
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: all twenty two guys on the field. It feels like

754
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: when they have talked about these quarterbacks, you here the

755
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: big four, it's and it's it's Lamar Jackson's left outside

756
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: of that conversation sometimes and people wondering if he's even

757
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: a first rounder. I feel like we could see five

758
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: quarterbacks go in the top fifteen or sixteen picks number one.

759
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: But what is the issue with Jackson? Why would some

760
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: teams stay away? Well, accuracy is is one concern for sure,

761
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: but but Josh Allen's got the same concern, you know,

762
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: So it's not like Jackson is the only guy who

763
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: that they're worried about. Is he gonna put the ball

764
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: on the numbers often enough? But he's just he's might.

765
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: To me, he's way better a college quarterback than Mike

766
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: Vick was. Mike Vick went number one overall and carved him.

767
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: You know, obviously we had a big hiccup in the

768
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: middle of it, but he carved himself out of fairly

769
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: reasonably productive career at least when he was healthy and

770
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: in his prime. And uh, Jackson's to me, he's beyond

771
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: him as a college player. Does Jackson, do you have

772
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: the highest upside of any of these guys? Then that's

773
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: hard to say, uh, or ceiling because you know, Donald

774
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: and Mayfield, all of Rosen, they've all got they can

775
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: all make, especially Alan can make some throws hardly anybody

776
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: can make. And that's the fascination with him. His numbers

777
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: aren't great. Scouts don't look at numbers. Scouts look at tools,

778
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: physical tools. But and that's why a guy like Alan

779
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: can have a rough year like he had at Wyoming

780
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: and still be considered a top guy because they're just

781
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: looking just from a straight tool standpoint. He's got everything

782
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: they want. You know, we're a couple of questions into this.

783
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: We had asked Daniel Jeremiah to come on the show.

784
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: He denied us, and he's sitting about twelve feet away.

785
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: I think we're getting much better information, leaner information, professional information,

786
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: certainly professional. Let's step up. So sometimes it's something seems

787
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: like bad news, it turns out to be a great situation.

788
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: That's what we got right now. It's been it's been

789
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: whatever do Jay, It's been a blessing having Carves in

790
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: my life. And I I got the blessing, the pleasure

791
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: absolutely of eating lunch with with Carves today, and I

792
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: found out one of the most distressed That's what you

793
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: would have thought that I found out one of the

794
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: most distressing items of information. I found out all week

795
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: that he's on a diet where he Carves does not

796
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: eat bread. What's true story. It almost sounds like he

797
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 1: is living a bit right now. But it's like an

798
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: acid trip, more like Chase no bread exactly right. Yeah,

799
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: let us wrap for me for lunch today? Who gets

800
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: to let us wrap it? Jimmy John's give me a bread.

801
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,959
Speaker 1: Not a very fulfilling lunch. It's been. I'm a couple

802
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: of weeks into this and it's it's a grind you

803
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: look good. It's good to have Chasey. I am fascinated

804
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: ever since, way back in the day when everyone thought

805
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: the Jets were gonna go own sixteen. I was way

806
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: in on Sam Donald and all the talk about him.

807
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: And now you hear some of the criticism that he's

808
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: out a year early and he's too raw. I mean,

809
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: are you in the camp that this is a guy

810
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: that's gonna need a couple of years to get going

811
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: or could he surprise people and hit the ground running

812
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: next year. I think you could surprise people. You know,

813
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: he's to meet. The turnovers is one of the issues

814
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: with him. Uh, if you go back two years ago,

815
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: his first year as a starter, he really didn't have

816
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: much of a turnover bug and USC one their last

817
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: I think nine games with him, we're running the show,

818
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: maybe their last ten, close to it, and he ends

819
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: up coughing the ball up a lot this past year.

820
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: His hands, I guess measured adequately today nine and three aids,

821
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: which is not too small but not huge either, So

822
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, maybe that'll alay some concerns. But

823
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy can The guy can make a

824
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: lot of throws. He's durable. It looks like he's maybe

825
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: shown a little more durability than than Rosen has, for instance,

826
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: so he's got a lot going for him. Dorsey John Dorsey,

827
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: the Browns general manager, said hand size is important to him,

828
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: but he thought all of the top guys had hands

829
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: plenty big enough for him, Uh, including Donald. I wanted

830
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: to ask you, Carson, how would you rank let's say,

831
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: Donald and Rosen verse if you had to rank them

832
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: with Mariota Winston, go and wentz as in terms of

833
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: when they were coming out, like the level of prospects

834
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: those Yeah, gosh, I would. I would after the after

835
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: what Dan just said. I would hate to defer to

836
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: DJ at this point, but don't close that door. Yeah,

837
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: you know that I've talked to I lean. I talked

838
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: to a handful of scouts and I lean on them

839
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: for you know. I'm not I'm not an ex scout

840
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: like DJ, but I talked to a handful in that

841
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: in that community, and I I hear as much excitement

842
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: about this quarterback class is is ones of the past

843
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: Mariota Winston. You know the question on Mariota, remember was

844
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: cann he translate from the Oregon offense and all that

845
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: stuff it's happened. That question is starting to get tired

846
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: because almost all the college quarterbacks now I've got a

847
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: similar kind of tough transition. Some make it, some don't.

848
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: But it's it's becoming like Ben Roethlisberger runs the spread.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he'sn't shotgun eighty percent of the time. It's

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Speaker 1: like a different differently to ask about that at a

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Speaker 1: time when the Eagles bring us R P O as

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Speaker 1: as a household name with Nick Foles winning the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: Isn't all that stuff overblown? Can NFL coaches just use

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Speaker 1: college concepts and mix them in with the pros. I

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Speaker 1: think if you talk to some of the code you

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Speaker 1: know Tom Cable, I think it's been outspoken about how

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Speaker 1: players just aren't as ready anymore as they used to

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Speaker 1: be coming out of Cruce Arians has been to Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it depends, like I guess, on who you talk to

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Speaker 1: and what you're talking about. I think Cable is Cable's

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Speaker 1: offensive linemen are never particularly ready. In the last Tom

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Speaker 1: Cable's suddenly hearing bills and whistles in his ear. But

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Speaker 1: it's different for It's different for a lot of positions,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's different for the lineman he's Washington State lineman.

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Speaker 1: They run the ball at Washington State just for instance,

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Speaker 1: so little that it's a it's a complete projection. What

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Speaker 1: kind of run blocker that that bunch would be? They

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Speaker 1: got a guard Cody O'Connell, who was who I saw

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Speaker 1: at the Shrine Bowl and St. Pete a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: practically the biggest player in college football, like some six

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Speaker 1: six nine, and he did not get invited of the

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Speaker 1: combine as it as it happened. Six nine and three

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty seventy pounds, just a huge But all

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Speaker 1: he's ever really done there is pass block uh and

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Speaker 1: he's a guard of all things at six nine. So

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Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's just a matter of projection,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's different. I know that you during the

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Speaker 1: season you wrote a long form on Baker Mayfield. We

879
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Speaker 1: can't get out of here without talking about him. What

880
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Speaker 1: did you learn? Complicated guy, multifaceted guy. I think he's

881
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Speaker 1: got a better head on his shoulders than he gets

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Speaker 1: credit for. But it's his own fault that he's got

883
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Speaker 1: the reputation he has. He's brought some of this criticism

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Speaker 1: on himself. But I think he recognized. Is that? How

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Speaker 1: do you mean, well, you know, he's he's Uh. The

886
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Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder makes him look like he's slouching.

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Speaker 1: It's so heavy, you know, and he wears it everywhere

888
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Speaker 1: in public and private. Sounds like a great quality for

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. Yeah, well a lot of people think that way,

890
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Speaker 1: no doubt about What do you think about him as

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Speaker 1: a player. I think he's gonna be a good player.

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Speaker 1: He's he's not. I mean, yeah, he can improvise. The

893
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Speaker 1: Manziel comparison to me is is garbage because Baker Mayfield

894
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Speaker 1: can sit in the pocket and hurt you. Uh, It's

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Speaker 1: it's not hard for him. He does it. He did

896
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Speaker 1: it a lot. We gotta let Chase get out of

897
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Speaker 1: here because he's gonna go chack. I think it's been

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Speaker 1: a great guest, But I do want to ask you

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Speaker 1: about Barkley because I feel like, not since well, Zekelly

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Speaker 1: got a lot of pub two. But you might have

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Speaker 1: to go back to Reggie Bush to find a running

902
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: back that's getting more glowing praise during this period, uh

903
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Speaker 1: than Barkley? Is Is he worth the hype? And oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's phenomenal And to be two D and thirty three pounds.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's for a guy that quick who

906
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Speaker 1: can make people miss that easily in the open field,

907
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Speaker 1: Like he can make people miss in the open field,

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Speaker 1: like he weighs two hundred pounds and he weighs two

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Speaker 1: thirty three. I gotta wonder if he's gonna be playing

910
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Speaker 1: right here at Lucas Oil Stadium potentially. Yeah, the Giants certainly,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Gettleman, you'll it's hard to read these press conferences,

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Speaker 1: but he certainly seems like he wanted to make people

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Speaker 1: think he was taking or at least would strongly consider

914
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Speaker 1: taking take playing the game. Greg don't know they need

915
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Speaker 1: a quarterback. That's funny to me. Chase good Red Chase

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Speaker 1: good Red on Twitter. Uh follow him if you want

917
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Speaker 1: to be smarter about college football. If you want to

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Speaker 1: learn more about this draft class, uh college football. NFL

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Speaker 1: dot Com a great maiden voyage. Come on multiple times

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Speaker 1: coming up to the draft. One more web address. These

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Speaker 1: long form feature your stories that I'm primarily right now

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Speaker 1: NFL dot Com slash back to campus and the two

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Speaker 1: is a numeral two for anybody that might actually be

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Speaker 1: jotting that down there. There you go next time you're on,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk a little drive by truckers to oh that

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Speaker 1: that'd be a fine on core performance. Off to the

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Speaker 1: pressor he must go, uh and uh we must move

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Speaker 1: on all right. Thank you again to Chase good Bread.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to the listeners. A reminder we are now

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Speaker 1: on Spotify if you want to access the Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL podcast from that popular application applicate a lot of

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Speaker 1: application talk on today's show podcast sweet interesting that you

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Speaker 1: use the full word applications. Sorry. Um, yes, We'll be

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Speaker 1: back on a Monday, back in Culver City. Uh. Talking

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Speaker 1: more ball as we get closer to free agency, which

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Speaker 1: kicks off, by the way, March four, which is less

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00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: than two weeks away or is it two weeks away

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Speaker 1: from tonight? Right around the court, it was excited cousins

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00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: to the Jets. It's happening. Don't count it out. We'll

940
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: have some combine talk. You know we can. You can

941
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Speaker 1: watch some underwear Olympics over the weekend. Dan on that

942
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Speaker 1: I cannot wait. All right, let's go, let's get out

943
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Speaker 1: of here. I gotta fight to catch Stan hands is

944
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Speaker 1: signing off for Quiet Storm, the Mailman, The Old Boss,

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Speaker 1: Lindsey Fultime Behind the Glass DJ was here. That was

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Speaker 1: nice of us UH to do until Monday