1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the tearful sister of a 2 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: thirteen year old cheerleader, drops one hundred and fourteen stones 3 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: into a jar as she sits in a quiet courtroom. 4 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: Why she drops one hundred and fourteen stones into a 5 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: jar to match the number of times her sister, her 6 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 1: little sister, was stabbed as her killer issues a sniveling apology, 7 00:00:53,840 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: while the victim's mother insists, Aidan Fucci now sixteen is 8 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: quote beyond saving. Let that sink in. A thirteen year 9 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: old little middle school cheerleader is stabbed one hundred and 10 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: fourteen times. Why for a thrill kill to see what 11 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: it felt like. Well, he's going to write and hell, 12 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: but he'll have a little pit stop and the CI 13 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: Correctional Institute penitentiary. I mean, I see, Grace. This is 14 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here at Fox Nation. 15 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: In Serious X eleven, Alexis Bailly takes to the stand 16 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: in a Florida courtroom. You could have heard a pin 17 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: drop two, crying and emotionally dropping one hundred and fourteen 18 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: green heart shaped stones into a glass jar, representing the 19 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: one hundred and fourteen stab wounds her sister, Tristan Bailly 20 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: had to endure when she was murdered. On May ninth, 21 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: Succi chickened out facing trial and pled guilty to murdering 22 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: thirteen year old Tristan. He did that. He murdered her 23 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: when he was just fourteen. He's now facing a minimum 24 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: of forty years behind bars. How in the world did 25 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: we land here? Tristan Bailey was reported missing by her 26 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: family on Sunday morning. Hours later, her body was found 27 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: in a wooded area near her neighborhood. The medical examiner 28 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: says she was stabbed to debt. Later that day, a 29 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: jogger in the neighborhood found a young girl's body bloody 30 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood's woods. The medical examiner's report, released Wednesday, 31 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: indicates Bailey had been stabbed one hundred fourteen times and 32 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: had defensive wounds. That report also revealed the suspected weapon, 33 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: a knife, was found in a pond only one hundred 34 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: forty feet from the body, the knife missing its tip. 35 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: The tip found in Tristan's the ninth so violently used 36 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: to murder this little cheerleader just thirteen years old. The 37 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: tip of the ninth is still embedded in her scalp 38 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: and skull. Guys, you were just listening to our friend 39 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: Jennifer Ready at First Coast and w j XT News 40 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: for Jacks. Let me introduce you an all star panel 41 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: joining us. First of all, you know him well. A 42 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: veteran defense attorney, Troy Slayton joining us out of La 43 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: Slayton Lawyers. Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst to the Stars, joining 44 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: us out of Hollywood. You can find her at doctor 45 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com. Start at brand new series on Netflix, 46 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: Bleeding Empire. Doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner for the 47 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: entire state of Florida at pathcarenmed dot com. Karen nel 48 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: Smith joining me forensics expert, lecturer University Florida and hostop 49 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: Shattered Souls podcast. But first to Rake Pute, a lad 50 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: news anchor Orlando Morning News at wd BO ray Kipude. 51 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: Before you say a word, listen to this for veillance 52 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: video spotted what appears to be Tristan Bailey walking north 53 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: from the Ammenite He Center at one fourteen am. Thirty 54 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: one minutes later, two people are seen walking east along 55 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: Saddlestone Drive at one forty five am. One is wearing 56 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: shorts of Hidie and white shoes with a black Nike logo, 57 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: the other wearing black pants and a black shirt. That 58 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: same camera then capturing one person walking back west wearing 59 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: shorts of Hidie and this time carrying white shoes with 60 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: the black Nike logo. That was around three twenty seven am. 61 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: One hour forty two minutes later, police found clothing with 62 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: blood on it. This video at twelve fifteen am on 63 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: May ninth, shows two people believed to be teens walking 64 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: east on Saddlestone Drive. As to whether or not that 65 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: is aid in Fuci and trist In Bailey in this video, 66 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: that is not confirmed. This was on Mother's Day, the 67 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: same day investigators say Tristan Bailey was found dead the 68 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: Saint John's County Sheriff's Office. Investigators say this video shows 69 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: Fucci running at one fifty two in the morning, so 70 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: over an hour after two teams were spotted walking in 71 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: the neighborhood. Guys, you're hearing our friends at First Coast 72 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: News and w j XT News. Jack, you know the 73 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: shadowy images caught on a surveillance video shows the thirteen 74 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: year old cheerleader Tristan Bailey walking with another person and 75 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: then later you see a young boy, Aidan Fucci at 76 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: age fourteen, running and you also see someone matching the 77 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: same outfit carrying a pair of white Nike shoes. First 78 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: of all, Ray Kaputo, again, thank you for being with us. 79 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: W DBO. Where is thirteen year old Tristan Bailey that evening? 80 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: Where has she been? Well? She was hanging out in 81 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: her neighborhood in Durban crossing Nancy. That's in Saint John's Ford, 82 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: just south of Jacksonville. It's an upper middle class neighborhood 83 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: and it was late at night before any of this happened. 84 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: But if you wonder why a thirteen year old girl 85 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: will be out late at night on a Saturday night, 86 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: it was just that type of neighborhood. It was tree 87 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: lined to surveillance cameras everywhere. I mean, people didn't anticipate 88 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: problems there. It was in Saint John's Ford, a beautiful 89 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: place where a lot of people were moving these days. 90 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: I understand Rayki Peter that there was like a community 91 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: center where they had been. Do you recall that, Jackie. 92 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: They all the teams and we had one of those 93 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: believe it or not, out in the middle of nowhere, 94 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: and when I was a little It seems so big 95 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: now I drive by it. I think, I can't believe 96 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: that was the huge community center. It's very small when 97 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: I look at it now. But we would have bands 98 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:49,119 Speaker 1: in there and dance and play games and just all 99 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: sorts of fun half Halloween carnivals inside, bobbing for apples, 100 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: and everybody would go there. And it's my understanding that 101 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: Tristan had been to a community center event with the 102 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: whole neighborhood and a lot of kids coming in and 103 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: out that night. This shadowy surveillance video we're seeing, where 104 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: are those cameras? Ray Kaputo, Well, the surveillance of the 105 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: video cameras you're scene are actually doorbell cameras, I believe, 106 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: are ones that are attached to homes. So they're on 107 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: these homes on Saddle Stolen Court, so you're seeing, you know, 108 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: somebody's looking off their window. That's what they might have 109 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: seen at that time of night, in the one o'clock hour. 110 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: So how in the world does eighteen boys mother get 111 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: tied into all of this. You've got a little cheerleader 112 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: age thirteen, stabbed about one hundred and fourteen times to 113 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: the tip of a knife, in her skull. Now you've 114 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: got an unrelated teen boys mother charged why We received 115 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: a series of videos late this afternoon, including those from 116 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: inside Fuchie's Durban Crossing home, would show what detectives say 117 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: is Fucci's mom washing blood off of his jeans. All 118 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: your sides. Robert Bradfield is live tonight in the newsroom 119 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: looking through that video which prosecutors build a first green 120 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: murder case against the Saint John's County teenager Robert Pune 121 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: Good evening. That video inside Fuchie's home is about sixteen 122 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: minutes long, but we're going to show you just the 123 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: first part, which shows his mother, Crystal Smith, walking into 124 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: an upstairs bathroom, and that is where the state's attorney 125 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: says Smith is seen cleaning her son's bloody jeans. When 126 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: officers went into the home, they found a pair of 127 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: wet jeans in Fuchi's bedroom, and as we reported earlier 128 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: this summer, the jeans and a drain in a bathroom 129 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: tested positive for blood. Smith was arrested in June. She 130 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: is charged with evidence tampering. Now, other video released today 131 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: shows who detectives believe are Fuchi and Bailey walking in 132 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: their neighborhood on the morning of May ninth, the last 133 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: time Bailey was seen alive. Okay, Troy Slaton, veteran defense attorney, 134 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: if mommy had just thrown a lot of clothes into 135 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: the wash, that would have been one thing. Because I've 136 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: actually thrown a shoe, cell phone, a coat hanger into 137 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: the washing machine with no idea what I was doing. Okay, 138 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: just like Jody Arius when she threw her did you 139 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: cam in there with accidental photos of the murder scene? 140 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: I could get that it's an accident, But for mommy 141 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: to pick up her son's blue jeans and then go 142 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: into bathroom and wash the blood out by hand, good 143 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: looks Layton. Well, I know, Nancy, when I was a 144 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: kid and I'd play some soccer and I'd roll on 145 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: my knees on the soccer field and big green stains 146 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: would be down my pants. Those wouldn't just come out 147 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: in the normal wash, and my mom, god bless her, 148 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: would would would scrub those things to get those aims out. 149 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: So maybe she was just acting like a good mom. 150 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: Saw some really dirty jeans, thinking that wouldn't come out 151 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: in the regular wash, and scrub them to make sure 152 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: they got to stay out. What we don't know is 153 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: that the mother knew that this was blood from a 154 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: potential crime scene and was intentionally trying to destroy evidence. 155 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: That's what we don't know. How can I slice up everything? 156 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: He just said, Jackie, could you play that one more time? 157 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: We received a series of videos late this afternoon, including 158 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: those from inside Puccie's Durban Crossing home, would show what 159 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: detectives say is Fucci's mom washing blood off of his 160 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: jeans all your size. Robert Bradfield is live tonight in 161 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: the newsroom looking through that video as prosecutors build a 162 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: first re murder case against the Saint John's Gully teenager 163 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: Robert One good evening. That video inside Fucci's home is 164 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: about sixteen minutes long, but we're going to show you 165 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: just the first part, which shows his mother, Crystal Smith, 166 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: walking into an upstairs bathroom, and that is where the 167 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: state's attorney says Smith is seen cleaning her son's bloody jeens. 168 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: When officers went into the home, they found a pair 169 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: of wet jeans in Fuci's bedroom, and as we reported 170 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: earlier this summer, the genes and a drain in a 171 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: bathroom tested positive for blood Smith was arrested in June. 172 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: She is charged with evidence tampering. Hi guys, Nancy Grace here. 173 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: Join us now on Fox Nation for our brand new special, 174 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: Children of Serial Killers, a Nancy Grace investigation. Parents by day, 175 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: Killers by night? But what about the sons and daughters 176 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: of brutal murderers? Are they forever haunted by their parents crimes? 177 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: What happens when they find out mommy or Daddy's a killer? 178 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: In this new special, we investigate the lives of children 179 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: of serial killers, weaving the timelines of the parents crimes 180 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: into their home lives. Speaking directly with sons and daughters 181 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: of serial killers, including the children of the Craigslist Killer, 182 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: the Chameleon killer, and more, we hear from experts in 183 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: the field. Don't miss this. Join us now for Children 184 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: of serial Killers and Nancy Grace Investigation, streaming exclusively on Foxnation. 185 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: Go to Foxnation dot com to watch time stories with 186 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. It was just one hour and forty two 187 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: minutes between when Tristan was last seen and when Aidan 188 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: Fucci was next seen, running out of the woods holding 189 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: his shoes because his feet heart. He had compassion for 190 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: his own sore feet but nothing for this beautiful little 191 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: cheerleader one hour in forty two minutes, and in that 192 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: short time he had lured her into the woods and 193 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: murdered her. Surveillance footage previously showing Tristan and the killer 194 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: walking together down a very dimly lit residential street just 195 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: some moments before she was murdered. Then Fuji is seen 196 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: running barefoot around two am, and the footage showing mother 197 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: pick up her son's blue jeans and then go in 198 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: the bathroom and wash the blood out by hand. I'd 199 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: really like to see the time stamp when mommy is 200 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: cleaning the jeans in the bathroom. There's no doubt she 201 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: knew it was blood, okay, because there's still blood in 202 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: the drain, and it's Tristan Bailly's blood, the cheerleader's blood, 203 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: so she knew it was blood. She knew he had 204 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: been out playing soccer the night before. But Slayton has 205 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: a valid point. But if she was doing that it's 206 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: say three o'clock in the morning, that's extremely surreptitious, Bethany, Nancy, 207 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: Let's look at it this way. This is not the 208 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: first time mommy has tried to cover up bad acts 209 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: that her son Fuci has undertaken. You know, mothers know 210 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: their son. You know your son, you know your daughter, 211 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: you know their character, you know what they're capable of. Bethany, Bethanie, 212 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: I know what class he's in right now, and which 213 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: class let's he's in right now? You darn't right go ahead. 214 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: You know whether or not they've done their homework. You 215 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: know who their friends are. You know whether or not 216 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: to let them have sleepovers at certain people's houses. He 217 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: is a young tween, he's barely a teenager. He's out 218 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: at this community center until I think it's three to 219 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: forty in the morning. Mommy has to be aware that 220 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: he has a friend, this cute cheerleader. She has to 221 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: have been worried about since she has to know that 222 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: her son is just a little bit strange. Okay, So 223 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a good thing that mother is 224 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: watching blood off of her son's jeans, and what she 225 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: should be doing, She's a good mom is sitting down 226 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: with him and saying, where did this blood come from? 227 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: What were you doing out till three to forty in 228 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: the morning, What was going on at that community center? 229 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: She should be parenting him, not covering up for him. 230 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: You know, another issue I'm gonna throw to you. Then 231 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: I'll circle back to Karen Smith and doctor Tim Gallagher, 232 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany. Let me go to Ray Kaputo, first lead 233 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: anchor for WDBO there in Florida. I also learned that, 234 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: according to documents, one of Aidan Fichi, aged fourteens, female 235 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: friends tells police he frequently talked about killing people, that 236 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: he would take his knife out and pretend to stab 237 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: her with it, and that he would draw graphic pictures 238 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: of taking mutilated bodies. You've forgotten to mention that break nudo. Yeah, well, 239 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, some people like their guns and nancy. This 240 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: kid liked knives. One of his friends even said that 241 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: he had a nickname for his knives. He called them 242 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: picker and poker and stop actually stop yeah, bank it 243 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: from the fire hydrant. Too much, too fast. I gotta 244 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: write that down. He named his knives, yes, ma'am, picker 245 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: and poker. Are you saying picker and poker? Okay, yeah, 246 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll need to bring the shrink in on that. 247 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: Go ahead named his knives picker and poker. Did you 248 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: know that I didn't know that? Go ahead? Yeah? Well, 249 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: I mean this kid liked his knights. They found many 250 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: more in his home too. Eighten Fute clearly had a 251 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: thing for sharp objects. Nancy talked about killing people. He 252 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: collected knives. I mean, talk about the writing being on 253 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: the wall. You know what, It is just so ironic 254 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: that when we throw around the phrase the writing is 255 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: on the wall, that actually she came from the Old Testament, 256 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: and now it's being used rightfully so Ray Kaputo and 257 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: the gruesome murder of a thirteen year old little girl. 258 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: This little girl was stabbed one hundred and fourteen times 259 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: with a knife tip still in her skull. Ray Kiputo, 260 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: w dbo. That's not all that was found in the 261 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: home of the Bloody Clothes. I understand that the cops 262 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: recovered a notebook filled with violent drawings of women, including 263 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: a woman with red excess on her breasts and severed 264 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: arms with blood pouring out. Oh that's correct, Nancy. I mean, 265 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: this kid had some really disturbing things going through his 266 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: hud and it makes you wondered. Getting back to my 267 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: she was so interested in helping him out after he 268 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: got in trouble. But but again, how can you not 269 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: notice that this is your child? And all these things 270 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: are going on in their lives. He had the knives, 271 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: he had the drawings. He was even telling people about 272 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: what he did. You're what was gonna do. He was 273 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: clearly a disturbed young man who needed help, and he 274 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: was crying out for quite a bit of time. But 275 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: both christ didn't go answered, Rica Puto. I hardly think 276 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: that naming your nice picker and poker and drawing mutilated 277 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: women and keeping the drawings in your room, I would 278 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: call that the devil, evil, hate, misogyny, and I think 279 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: he knew exactly what he was doing. I really don't 280 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: know which way to go, but thankfully I've got a 281 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: panel of experts. Doctor Bethany, do not start up second 282 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: verse same as the first. But he's insane. If he 283 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: were insane, he would not know to run away and lie. Well, 284 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: thank god, Nancy. Sociopathy, which this young man surely suffers from, 285 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: is a personality disorder, not a psychiatric disorder, meaning that 286 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: it affects It's an affliction of the mind, not the brain. 287 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: So certainly he knew right from wrong, Nancy. This is 288 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: a budding serial killer in the making. You know, the 289 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: love for the knives, picker and poker, the drawing of 290 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: the woman with the red xes on her breast, the 291 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: severed arms this guy got. This young man derived great 292 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: thrill and satisfaction from thinking about stabbing and dismembering. And 293 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: you know, mothers fall into two categories when it comes 294 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: to having a child like this. The first category is 295 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: a mother who knows there's a problem and seeks help, 296 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: gets a psychiatrist and a psychologist, gets social services, and 297 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: wants to help their son have a better life. And 298 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: the second category we see all too often is the 299 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: mother who aids and a bests the child, covers up, 300 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: looks the other way, will do anything to save the child, 301 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: even if it means that there are other victims out 302 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: there in society. And surely, surely this mother falls into 303 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: the second category. With washing the blood off her son's jeans, 304 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: This mother knew what was happening, Nancy. She saw this 305 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: all unfolding for a long long time. Why does she 306 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: even let him out in the community past midnight. To 307 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher, a medical examiner for the state of Florida, 308 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: this occurred in Florida, Saint John's County. Doctor Gallagher, would 309 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: you explain what happened to this thirteen year old little girl. 310 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: Because we're talking a lot about what may or may 311 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: not be going through the mind of her killer. Well 312 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: what about her, what happened to her? Well, first of all, 313 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: one who mentioned that doctor Bulick in Saint John's County, 314 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: which is District twenty three in Florida, is probably one 315 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: of the most intelligent positions that we have in the state. 316 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: He is Yale educated and trained in Fort Lauderdale. Wonderful, 317 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: wonderful man. But going getting back to her, what was 318 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: his name, Bulick? B u l I C okay, go ahead. 319 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: So you've got a great man. You've got a great 320 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,479 Speaker 1: doctor on the case. Go ahead, wonderful, wonderful man. Um. 321 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: I can't say enough about him. But getting back to her, um, 322 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, so initially, you know, there was the surprise 323 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: of the stabbing. I'm sure there was an argument leading 324 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: up to it. But when I don't know about that. 325 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: I don't know about that, doctor Gallagher, because this was 326 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 1: not boyfriend girlfriend. They were just you know, in the 327 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: same grade. They knew each other. There was no romantic interest, 328 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: like they had an argument, So I don't know if 329 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: if there was an argument or if he led her 330 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: out there in order to kill her. I mean he 331 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: had a knife with him, but that said go ahead, right. 332 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: But you can see there was a struggle. She had 333 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: defensive wounds on her forearms, and what defensive wounds are 334 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: is she was actually holding up her arms to defend 335 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: herself against the knife, and he was splashing at her 336 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: arms on her forearm. I gotta tell you somethinking, doctor, 337 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: I just saw it at the corner of my eye. 338 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to do it myself as you were talking. 339 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: But Jackie here, as you were saying, held her hands 340 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: up like that. How many times have I done that 341 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: in front of a jury when you say defensive wounds, 342 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 1: trying to cover your face or your body. And this 343 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: little thirteen year old girl, as doctor Tim Gallagher is 344 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: telling us, was covered in defensive wounds trying to save 345 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: her life. Right, So she was conscious and aware of 346 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: what was going on at that point. You know, she 347 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: knew at that point she was fending for her life. 348 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: Eventually she became overpowered and these stab wounds to her head. Oftentimes, 349 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: if the knife is sufficient, will penetrate through the skull 350 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: and into the brain. And we see that could have 351 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: been the case here when a tip of the knife 352 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: broke off and lodged itself into the skull, so she 353 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 1: may have died from the brain injury, or she may 354 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: have had other stab wounds on her chest organs, that 355 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: being the heart and the lungs. The other way. It 356 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: was a very protracted assault and had gone on for 357 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: at least a minute or two, Doctor Tim Gallagher, have 358 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: you ever seen a case where there were over one 359 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: hundred stab wounds like this? Unfortunately, that's more common than 360 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: a single stab wound. This is something that we'd like 361 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: to call overkill. Where there is an emotion involved, or 362 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: emotions are involved in the homicide, the person gets absolutely 363 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: worked up and uh just uh loses track of how 364 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: many times they're stabbing them more or the frustration of 365 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: the release of stabbing this person is pleasurable to the assailant, 366 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 1: and that we find that more often than we hold on. 367 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm trying to take in everything you're saying, 368 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher, because frankly, when anybody on this panel speaks 369 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: sometimes I have to get them to repeat it. I'm 370 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: just a trial lawyer, and and your thoughts are actually 371 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: very in depth, and I have to to take it 372 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: in and understand it. He just said. Doctor Tim Gallagher, 373 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: he was a renowned medical examiner, believes and you may 374 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: think this is outside of his province that he's talking 375 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: about men total emotional sexual gratification of a defendant. But 376 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: when you've seen thousands of homicides, you begin to statistically 377 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: analyze what you see, and I think he's right. Whether 378 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: it was a sexual release, or you have a goal 379 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: and when you achieve that goal, you feel proud, you 380 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: feel satisfied. Maybe it was that type of feeling he 381 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: got from this brutal murder. Time Stories with Nancy Grace 382 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: karinel Smith joining me, forensics expert, lecturer and host of 383 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: Shattered Soul's podcast. You've seen so many homicide as well, 384 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: over one hundred stab wounds like this. Agree or disagree? 385 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: And why I do? I've seen it. Unfortunately, just like 386 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher said, it does happen, whether or not it's 387 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: a rage or like you said, a sexual release, whatever 388 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: the motivation is. Multiple stabbings are more common than a 389 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: single stabbing. And Nancy, there's something that I need to 390 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: talk about regarding not only what Tory Slayton said, but 391 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: what everybody else has been saying about these genes. Mommy 392 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: can try to clean them all she wants, but they 393 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: tested positive for blood, and that tells me they did 394 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: a simple color test after a visual inspection, the blood 395 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: was still on those pants. Now, if the blood was 396 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: still on the pants, there's a possibility that patterns can 397 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: still be discerned even after they've been cleaned. If that 398 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: blood was allowed to dry on the fabric first, and 399 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: if there were small blood droplets on those genes, that 400 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: puts the error which would be Aiden Fucci and close 401 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,479 Speaker 1: proximity to the victim time the crime was committed. It 402 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: is absolute proof that he was there, that the blood 403 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: broke up into droplets while he was there. They can 404 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: also help position him over the victim. His DNA was 405 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: found on her body, which means he probably injured himself 406 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: since he used the knife. That's very common as well. 407 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: So I just want to command with Saint John Sheriff's 408 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: Saint John's County Sheriff's Office for their Yeah, wonderful work 409 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: on this. They really did a great job processing this 410 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: plus finding the weapon as well. Guys, there's more. Take 411 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut twenty five. This is Heather 412 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: Crawford First Coast News, So let's talk more about these 413 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: new documents. They were also shedding light on the night 414 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: Aidan Fucci and his parents were inside of an interrogation 415 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: room after Tristan Bailey's body was discovered. Aiden's parents questioned 416 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: him with no detectives in the room, but the audio 417 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: in video devices they were rolling. According to the report, 418 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: his mother told him that Bailey was found in their neighborhood. 419 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: The report says Aiden then asked, is she good? The 420 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: mother's response, no, she's dead. It's all on you right now. 421 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: The report says, Aiden asked, how is it my problem? 422 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: They reportedly said because he was the last one seen 423 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: with her. The report also says the mother asked where 424 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: Bailey went after they parted, and Buccie stated that she 425 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: probably kept walking. His father asked, according to the report, 426 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: he didn't turn around to see where she went, and 427 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: he replied no now. According to the report, Aiden's parents 428 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: told him to find his story and stick to it. 429 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: He was arrested at three thirty the next morning. His mother, 430 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: Crystal Smith, would later be arrested accused of tampering with evidence. 431 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: In this case. Troy Slaton joining me La veteran criminal 432 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: defense attorneys Slayton Lawyers APC Troy. So the recording devices 433 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: are still rolling, and this aiden fourteen says, how's it 434 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: my problem when they tell him Tristan is found dead. So, firstly, 435 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: there is no parent child confidentiality privilege known to the law. 436 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: So although they may have thought that they were speaking privately, 437 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: the parents and the child suspect, the police were perfectly 438 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: in their right to be recording inside that police interrogation room. 439 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: And so anything that he said to his mom and 440 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: dad can be used against him. And even though he 441 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: would say to his parents and he's probably experienced in 442 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: deflecting his parents off of things that he's done wrong 443 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: over his past fourteen years, that doesn't protect him in 444 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: this case. I want to get your thinking to, Bethany 445 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: Marshall of what you have heard that audio recording that 446 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: we've gotten the parents talking to a fourteen year old 447 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: Aidan Fucci. Well, I think this is not their first rodeo. 448 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: I think he's done all kinds of things that they 449 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: have aided and embedded in covering up. Maybe not a homicide. 450 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: Maybe this is the first catastrophic violation of the law's 451 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: he's done. But I'm sure there's been less, lesser infractions. 452 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure he has tortured animals, gotten bad grains, hit people, 453 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: poked at people. Maybe he stabbed people, even in a 454 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: non homicidal way, but in a threatening way. So these 455 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: parents are well skilled and well schooled and covering up 456 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: for their child and choice. Lacoln said something I think 457 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: it is so fascinating, and we see this with parents, 458 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: is that from from the time or show friend are born, 459 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: they teach us how to accommodate to them. They teach 460 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: us how to cover up. They also teach us that 461 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: we can't look past their flaws and we have to 462 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: take the hard rolls road of reprimanding them and punishing 463 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: them and disciplining them to make them better human beings. 464 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: And if this young man was born as a sociopath, 465 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: he really needed his parents to discipline him and to 466 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: try to override those tendencies. And apparently he just never 467 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: got the memo. Well, doctor Bethany, I want you to 468 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: hear something, and that is how this guy, Aidan Fucci 469 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: behaved in the cop car. Take a listen to our 470 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: cut twenty seven Our friends at Action Needs Jacksonville News 471 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: Snapchat videos show Fucci in the back of the cop 472 00:31:53,280 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: car before he was a suspect, having fun car. Yet, 473 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: what's up, guys when you see this in a money 474 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: Another video from inside Fuji's home appears to show his 475 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: mother cleaning the jeans police say Aidan wore the night 476 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: of the murder. She's been charged for tampering with evidence 477 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: to those genes. Investigators say both the jeans and the 478 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: sink she washed them in tested positive for blood. Not 479 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: only that in that cop car he made a statement 480 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: having fun in an f and cop car. Hey, anybody's 481 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: seen Tristan. While Sister Bailey dropped the stones into that 482 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: glass jar, her voice revealed the many questions she had 483 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: for Aidan Futi, wondering if he got quote too caught 484 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: up and the thrill of the kill. These are the 485 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: Sister Bailey's questions. The number of questions I have for 486 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: Aidan Futi surrounding that night plague my mind. She says. 487 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: Did you see you coming at her with the knife 488 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: or did you stabb her while she wasn't paying attention? 489 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: She did scream out for her help? Or was she 490 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: paralyzed in agony? Did she cry from my mother? Did 491 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: she beg you to stop? Did you hear her lungs 492 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: gurgling with blood? Did you see it in her face 493 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: when you realized she could no longer breathe due to 494 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: her collapsed lungs. What were her last words? Did you 495 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,719 Speaker 1: stay to watch her die? Or did you leave her 496 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: there in agonizing pain as you ran away? How long 497 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: did my sister suffer? Did you watch the life leave 498 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: her eyes? Sister Bailly goes on the memories of Mayn 499 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: I will forever be ingrained in my body, my mind, 500 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: my soul to know I was awake and only eleven 501 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: minutes away from my sister as she was being brutally murdered. 502 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:06,479 Speaker 1: Could I have saved her? Another sister, Alexis, the second 503 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: oldest of the four children, said Fucci quote took everything 504 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: from us, from our sense of security, laughs, health, sense 505 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: of potential. Well. Tristin's mom, Stacy, says Fucci was quote 506 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: beyond saving Aidan Fucci behaved in the cop car. This 507 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: guy is in the back of the car mocking everything 508 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: and everybody. I'm having found an effing cop car. And 509 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: then he makes some comment like, Hey, anybody's seen Tristian. 510 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: She's dead? Why did he say that as a matter 511 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: of fact. Listen to our cut twenty seven one more time. 512 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: New snapchat videos show Fucci in the back of the 513 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: cop car before he was a suspect, having fun cop car. Yeasty, 514 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: walk out when you see this. Another video from inside 515 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 1: Fuji's home appears to show his mother cleaning the genes 516 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: police say Aidan wore the night of the murder. She's 517 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: been charged for tampering with evidence to those genes. Investigators 518 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: say both the genes and the sink she washed them 519 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: in tested positive for blood. I mean. It is argued 520 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:26,240 Speaker 1: amongst many legal eagles, Troice Sletton that his six selfie 521 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: in a cop car shows that he's actually proud of 522 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: murdering cheerleader Tristan Mailey. To me, Nancy, it shows the 523 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: elements of not guilty by reason of insanity, which in 524 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: Florida uses the McNaughton rule. If I were to use 525 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: the evidence from the medical examiner on this show and 526 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: the testimony of doctor Bethany Marshall from this show, we 527 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: clearly establish, by clear and convincing evidence that he was 528 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: not guilty by reason of insane at the time that 529 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: he committed this act. Well I couldn't disagree more because 530 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: here he is in a cock car saying, hey, guys, 531 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: has anybody seen Tristan lightly shooting a peace sign having 532 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 1: fun in a cock car, being a snarky brat. That's 533 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 1: somebody one hundred and fourteen times running from the crime scene, 534 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: throwing a knife into the water. And then why do 535 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: you think he threw the knife in the water, Troy 536 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 1: so nobody could find it? Why is that a weapon 537 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,919 Speaker 1: with his blood on it? But brings the sheath home, 538 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 1: but comes home and just throws away the murder weapon. 539 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 1: And the only one on anil that believes that shows 540 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 1: evidence of guilt, I mean someone I jump in from 541 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: peaking Nancy. He knew what he was doing, and mocking 542 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: Tristan from the least car is the same m as 543 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: the murder. We were talking about it earlier in the 544 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: show that he wanted to triumph over her control her. 545 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: He likely got sexual satisfaction from killing her. I doubt 546 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: this was a frustrated rage. I think he was romancing 547 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: the idea of killing somebody for a long long time. 548 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: I think his family knew that. I think it was 549 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 1: sexually exciting to him. That's why he had the red 550 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: crosses over the woman's breast and her arms severed. You 551 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: know he's going to disable her so he can rape her. 552 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: That's what that picture is all about. Well, you know 553 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: that's what we call Troy. We call malingering. It's when 554 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: you make up a fictitious illness to look ill when 555 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: you're not more for you, guys, that bears on state 556 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,919 Speaker 1: as mine. Take a listen to our cut twenty six. 557 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:55,399 Speaker 1: This is Danny Bozzini Action News Jack's new evidence giving 558 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 1: us a glimpse into the moments before and after a 559 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 1: love teen year old Tristan Bailey was brutally murdered. Please say, 560 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: in this video, Tristan is walking with her accused killer, 561 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: fourteen year old Aidan Fuci, just after midnight Sunday, May ninth, 562 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,240 Speaker 1: Mother's Day. Ninety minutes later, another surveillance video shows Fuci 563 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: running in the opposite direction with what appears to be 564 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: his shoes in hand. The State Attorney's Office releasing another clip, 565 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: timestamped at three thirty am that same morning. You can 566 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: see Fucci walking up to his home, heading to the 567 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 1: front door, and going inside. Fucci initially told investigators that 568 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: he left a friend's house with Tristan and they walked 569 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: together until she turned onto her street. That story changed 570 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 1: a few more times. Okay, let me capsulize this, Karen Smith. 571 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: We've got him running from the scene, carrying his shoes 572 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: that were likely bloody, throwing away the murder weapon, slowly 573 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: down when he gets to his own home, walking in, 574 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: changing his story multiple times, and continuing to lie about 575 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 1: it to me. All of that shows he knew what 576 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: he did was wrong. And that is as choice Layton 577 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: throws around the technical turn the McNaughton test, It's very simple, 578 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: did you know right from wrong at the time of 579 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,720 Speaker 1: the incident. It shows me that's right, evidence of guilt, hiding, running, 580 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: drawing evidence that's right. And guess what bound found. Knife 581 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 1: was found one hundred and forty feet away. The shoes 582 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: were found in his room, likely bloody, that's why he 583 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: was carrying them. They found his gene, they found his clothes, 584 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,280 Speaker 1: They found her DNA all over it, They found blood patterns, 585 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: they found his DNA on her body. They found the 586 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: tip of the knife embedded in first skull. This is 587 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: an open and shut case in my mind. Now it's 588 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: up to you lawyers to battle out whether or not 589 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: he was quote unquote insane. But to me, every single step, 590 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: every single thing that has been seen in the forensics 591 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: of this case shows me that he had a premeditated, 592 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: murderous mind and he knew what he did was wrong. 593 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 1: He's running from the crime scene with evidence in his hands. 594 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 1: To me as an open and shutcase, Nancy, Doctor Tim 595 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: Gallagher joining me out a Florida medical examiner, Doctor Gallagher. 596 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: So he throws the murder weapon into a body of water. 597 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: How can they still get both his and her DNA 598 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: off the murder weapon. Well, that's a really good question. 599 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,359 Speaker 1: You know, water does tend to degrade DNA, so if 600 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: they recovered it very quickly, then it would certainly be possible, 601 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: especially if not only blood was on it, but the 602 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: flesh of the victim and flesh of the assailant was 603 00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: on there. Then DNA could be recovered from that quickly. Yes, Noisy, 604 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: I have to jump in here. There was another case 605 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: out of Jacksonville, the Cherish Perrywinkle case, where one of 606 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: my co workers recovered a entire full thirteen LOCI profile 607 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,839 Speaker 1: from Cherish Perrywinkle's neck after she was submerged in water. 608 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 1: So it is absolutely possible to find both sets of 609 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,760 Speaker 1: DNA on that murder weapon. I was just thinking about 610 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: Cherish last night. As a matter of fact, Karen, she 611 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: was a little girl that was led out of one 612 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: of those superstores with a sex predator who murdered her. Well, 613 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 1: we see where the defense is headed. I mean, demons, really, 614 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 1: couldn't you just surprise us once? I mean ever since 615 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 1: Flip Wilson, the TV star said the devil made me 616 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: do it. I mean, here we go with the demons. 617 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 1: Take a listen to footage we've obtained this young man 618 00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 1: Aidan Fucci and his first court appearance, and yes, demons 619 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,479 Speaker 1: also appear. Take a listen to our friends at four news, 620 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:13,280 Speaker 1: Jack's I'm going on? Are you teasings? Take my soul? 621 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 1: Can take my soul? Away, my soul? What's going on? 622 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: Demons take my soul? Blah blah, A plea deal in 623 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: the case of the murder of a beautiful little thirteen 624 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,879 Speaker 1: year old girl. I'm looking at her in a little 625 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: cheer outfit with her braces on, the whole world in 626 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: front of her, and on the front of her cheer 627 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 1: outfit with a star on top of it. It says 628 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 1: Infinity Infinity, We wait as justice un falls hit by friend,