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Speaker 1: of Famer Tim Kirkschen, I'm his son, Jeff Kirkshen and Dad.

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Speaker 1: We may be virtual, but we were just together for

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Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving holiday. But we're now back home after spending

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Speaker 1: a wonderful time in sunny Florida.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it was amazing.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure I was in the same Florida as you, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: it was about forty eight degrees and howling wind. Would

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Speaker 3: hardly call that sunny Florida. But no complaints. We had

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Speaker 3: a great time. We hit the ball okay, actually both

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Speaker 3: of us, not to worry, and we had a great

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Speaker 3: time at Uncle Andy's house and everyone had a blast.

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Speaker 3: The food was so good, the kids were so good.

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Speaker 3: So hugely successful Thanksgiving and you got home in one piece,

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Speaker 3: connecting through Charlotte, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The first day we landed, we got there a day

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Speaker 1: get a little bit chilly from there. But then you're

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Speaker 1: leaving out a crucial detail of the trip. You mentioned

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Speaker 1: Santa Rosa Beach and the old guys as you guys

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Speaker 3: I'm really happy that you guys played way better than

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Speaker 3: the last time. Okay, I still object to the fact

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Speaker 3: Uncle Andy has a bad back. Even though he hit

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Speaker 3: ten the day before, we still only lost by one shot.

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Speaker 3: You guys played well. You deserve to win. And it

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Speaker 3: Michael Kirkchin rolled in what a twenty footer on eighteen

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Speaker 3: It would have made it ten times more dramatic.

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Speaker 1: Agreed, Yeah, absolutely more dramatic. And it was not an

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Speaker 3: Dad.

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Speaker 1: You're right, you did have three players. But to defend

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Speaker 1: different tea boxes, which you're entitled to as seniors. And

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Speaker 1: I think every senior should play the senior teas because

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Speaker 3: In That's Life, we used the senior tees six times

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Speaker 3: out of eighteen holes. Okay, wasn't every hole. There were

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Speaker 3: six select holes where we played the gray tees. Look,

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Speaker 3: you're burying the lead from the whole weekend, jeff A.

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Speaker 3: First off, I got on an airplane without a printed

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Speaker 3: boarding pass. I got it on my phone. I presented

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Speaker 3: my photos. This was a big moment for poor pop Pop.

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Speaker 3: I got on an airplane without a printed boarding pass.

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Speaker 3: Eduardo Perez needs to hear about this.

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Speaker 1: He does, because this has been a very big hurdle

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Speaker 1: for you to get over. In the technology of twenty

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Speaker 2: If there's no internet? What if my phone dies? What if?

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Speaker 1: This all understandable concern in stead absolutely, but if you

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Speaker 2: I'm proud of you.

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Speaker 1: You've grown up quite a bit here on this podcast

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Jeff. Also, another great takeaway was that

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Speaker 1: His churn agreed, Well, I think he marked everybody who

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well aware of Elf on the Shelf.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he has arrived in our home, and he's

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Speaker 1: Well, it was a great trip, Dad, such a great

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Speaker 3: Meetings, right, and the Winter meetings are crazy three four

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Speaker 1: all right, Dad, tell us about the one trade that's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Cardinals traded Sunny Gray to the Red Sox,

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Speaker 3: be their closer. So Alast really ramping it up because

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Speaker 3: they pretty much have to. You have to stay current

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Speaker 3: in that division because there's so many, so many good teams.

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Speaker 1: Out there, and you know the Yankees, they never stay

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Speaker 1: quiet during the offseason. They're gonna do something. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: pull something together to keep that team rolling. So with

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Speaker 1: Sonny Gray, Dad, let me guess, I got two opportunities

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Speaker 1: here to guess for Team Tim. Are you doing all

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Speaker 1: weather or all colors?

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Speaker 3: Okay, We're doing the all weather team because of Sonny

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Speaker 3: Gray because he kind of represents two forms of weather.

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Speaker 3: Sonny Gray. Okay, right, So our first baseman is JT. Snow.

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Speaker 3: Chip Hale is our second baseman. David Freeze is our

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Speaker 3: third baseman. Sonny Jackson different than different. Sonny Jackson is

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Speaker 3: our shortstop. Tim Rains is one outfielder. Kurt Flood is

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Speaker 3: another Pete Gray. We're gonna Sunny Gray here twice, but

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Speaker 3: we needed Pete Gray in the outfield. He's the one

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Speaker 3: armed outfielder who played all those years. And our pitching

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Speaker 3: staff is led by Sunny Gray. Chuck Rainey, who we

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Speaker 3: mentioned remember two weeks ago, and he was teammates with

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Speaker 3: Mark clear Yeah, Rainy and clear right. Ryan Weathers, of course,

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Speaker 3: whose dad, David Weathers, also played in the Big League.

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Speaker 3: So we have two Weathers on the All Weather team,

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Speaker 3: Steve rain Wendy McCall. These are all pitchers, Jeff Storm,

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Speaker 3: Davis who I covered with the Orioles, Ken Cloud, Josh Fogg, Rich, Gaylee,

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Speaker 3: David Frat, Dave Frost, and our catcher is Fernando Lunar

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Speaker 3: because that is moon related and the moon kind of

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Speaker 3: controls the weather on Earth. I still don't know how

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Speaker 3: that works, Jeff, I was never any good at that

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Speaker 3: stuff college or in high school. But that's the All

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Speaker 3: Weather team. What do you think?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I only learned about the moon affecting the waves

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Speaker 1: from that great movie Bruce Almighty.

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Speaker 2: You remember when he.

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Speaker 1: Pulled the moon in to be romantic, and then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden there was a tsunami across the world

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Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, that's how I made that connection. Well,

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Speaker 1: the All Weather Team Dad is fantastic. And we have

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Speaker 1: to give a shout out to our friends at Billy

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Speaker 1: Ball who shared our all Thanksgiving Team Dad on their

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Speaker 1: They have an email that goes out, billy Ball is

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Speaker 1: so fantastic, and Bill Chuck puts it together and he

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Speaker 1: shared Dad our Thanksgiving or your Thanksgiving team Tim, which

476
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Speaker 1: was really cool. So Bill Chuck fan of the show

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Speaker 1: but also a huge baseball fan, and Billy Ball Dad

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Speaker 1: is right up your alley.

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Speaker 3: Right, Absolutely, Billy Ball is great. You should subscribe. Bill

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Speaker 3: Chuck knows more about baseball than almost anyone I've ever met,

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Speaker 3: and he's got a good sense of humor to go

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Speaker 3: with it.

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Speaker 1: All right, Dad, Well, on this state in Baseball History,

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Speaker 1: I have a bunch, but I know you have one

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Speaker 1: you want to start with, right.

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Speaker 3: No, No, you're going to do the whole thing by yourself, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: all right, I'm interested to see what you came up with.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, we're going to start.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen forty one, on this State in Baseball History,

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Speaker 1: New York Giants named mel Ott as player manager who

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Speaker 1: replaced another future Baseball Hall of Famer. Do you remember

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Speaker 1: who dad as the giant who heads the Giants farm system,

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Bill Terry, Bill.

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Speaker 3: Terry, Yes, yes, yes, Bill Terry was a great hitting

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Speaker 3: first baseman and a great defensive first baseman.

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Speaker 1: Did Bill Terry make it onto our two first names list?

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Speaker 2: He had to?

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Speaker 3: I think he did. I think mel Ott is on

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Speaker 3: our all short team because he was five foot nine,

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Speaker 3: so we did five to nine and under that over

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Speaker 3: five hundred homers at at five to nine. Pretty darn

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Speaker 3: good by Melott. Not as short as Hack Wilson five

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Speaker 3: foot six, but Melott, yes, on a lot of teams. Okay,

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Speaker 3: who else? You got? What else?

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Speaker 1: Fernando Valenzuela became the third consecutive Dodgers pitcher to win

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Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year or player, I should say, because

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Speaker 1: they had Rick Suttcliffe in seventy nine, Steve Howell in

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty and the nineteen eighty one.

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Speaker 2: Fernando Valenzuela wins.

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Speaker 3: It, right, And remember it was an injury to Jerry

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Speaker 3: Royce that got Fernando Valenzuela into the rotation to start

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Speaker 3: the season, and the first eight starts that year, Jeff

513
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Speaker 3: were arguably the first, the greatest eight starts that anybody

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Speaker 3: has made, certainly in my lifetime. It was unbelievable what

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Speaker 3: Fernando Mania became in Los Angeles. The whole Mexican community

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Speaker 3: was behind him. Every Dodger loved him. He was he

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Speaker 3: was charismatic, he had great stuff through a screwball. Just

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Speaker 3: go back and look at those first eight or nine

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Speaker 3: starts in nineteen eighty one, just unprecedent. And of course

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Speaker 3: the Dodgers won the World Series that year and Lee

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Speaker 3: the way it was a rookie pitcher, Fernando Valenzuale. Dad.

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Speaker 1: I have a couple of non baseball related on this states.

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Speaker 3: Are you ready for sure?

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Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty eight The Naked Gun movie premiere.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, love the Naked Gun Movie. I told you

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Speaker 3: the story our pal Steve Russian, who's been on the

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Speaker 3: podcast twice, once the first year, once the second year.

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Speaker 3: He was in with doing a story on Sparky Anderson

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Speaker 3: when Sparky Anderson was the manager of the Tigers, and

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Speaker 3: it was right about the time that The Naked Gun

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Speaker 3: came out. So Steve Russian is in there talking to

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Speaker 3: Sparky and Sparky starts to imitate in his office Leslie

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Speaker 3: Nielsen as the home plane umpire calling a strike, and

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Speaker 3: then as soon as he sees what he plays it up.

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Speaker 3: People really enjoy it, so they're Sparky Anderson doing the

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Speaker 3: Leslie Nielsen impersonation. Yes, that was a really fun movie.

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Speaker 3: I thoroughly enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Dad, I just watched on the plane ride back from

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Speaker 1: our trip. I watched the new Naked Gun movie with

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Speaker 1: Liam Neeson that just came out, and you have to

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Speaker 1: watch it, Dad. It is so good and so stupid

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Speaker 1: in the best form of that word. My favorite one,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many good lines, but my favorite

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Speaker 1: one was when the bad guy offers Liam Neeson a

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Speaker 1: cigar and he looks at him and he goes, he

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Speaker 1: holds it up and he goes cigar and Liam Neeson says,

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Speaker 1: yes it is, Yeah, so nice.

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Speaker 3: It's all from Airplane. That's where it all came from.

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Speaker 3: Spinoff from Airplane, Naked Gun all that those guys were

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Speaker 3: incredibly fine.

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Speaker 1: Not specific to baseball, Dad, but in the same year

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, ESPN aired its ten thousandth edition of SportsCenter,

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Speaker 1: making it the most televised cable program in history back

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Speaker 1: in ninete nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 3: Right, I started there in nineteen ninety eight, and I well,

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Speaker 3: I know I had more hits than Ty Cobb in

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Speaker 3: all my time at ESPN, because there was a time

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Speaker 3: there Jeff one December during the winter meetings around that time,

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Speaker 3: before and after I went on television. I'm not bragging

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Speaker 3: about this. This was amazing. Twenty five straight days in

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Speaker 3: the month of December. In December, twenty five straight days

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Speaker 3: we had a baseball report of some sort on ESPN

563
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Speaker 3: because there was so much stuff going on, trades, free

564
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Speaker 3: agent signings. Those were the days when boy ESPN did

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Speaker 3: baseball exceptionally.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and Dad, and take us back.

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Speaker 1: I know you've told us the Billy Crystal host Sports

568
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Speaker 1: Center story before a couple times on the podcast. But

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Speaker 1: take us back to those great Sports Center days with

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Speaker 1: you know, with Stuart Scott, or with Scott Van Pelt,

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Speaker 1: or tell us another story of those days of making

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Speaker 1: an appearance at that time.

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Speaker 3: Well, Jeff, show you how much ESPN has grown. When

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Speaker 3: I first got there in ninety eight, we had one

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Speaker 3: studio and in the same studio and a very small

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Speaker 3: studio was the Dan was Sports Center with Dan Patrick

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Speaker 3: and Keith Oberman and others, and like, literally ten feet

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Speaker 3: away is the Baseball Tonight set with Harold Reynolds, Karl

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Speaker 3: Ravitch and myself and Dan Patrick would finish Sports Center

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00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 3: by saying, and now let's throw it over to the

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Speaker 3: guys in Baseball Tonight, and we were literally ten feet away.

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Speaker 2: We would roll the cameras over right, the same camera.

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Speaker 3: They just same cameras, just turned around and shot us. Now,

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Speaker 3: every show in the building has our own studio, including

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Speaker 3: Baseball Tonight. But back then, that's how it worked. That's

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Speaker 3: how small the place was when I got there in

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Speaker 3: ninety eight. He would just throw it to us and

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Speaker 3: they just turn the cameras around and pow. Baseball Tonight

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Speaker 3: was on midnight.

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Speaker 1: Incredible well and last, but certainly not at least on

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Speaker 1: this state. In back to baseball history, Dad, Cincinnati Red's

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Speaker 1: first baseman Joey Vado won the Tip O'Neill Award as

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Speaker 1: the best Canadian MLB player for the sixth time in

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Speaker 1: seven years.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty incredible.

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Speaker 3: Right, Joey Vado was a great Major League player. I

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Speaker 3: think he's going to be a Hall of Famer. You

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Speaker 3: look at that career on base percentage, it is historically high. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I always enjoyed being around him and watching him play.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, Jeff, he has the most home

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Speaker 3: runs of anyone with last name starts with a V.

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Speaker 3: He passed Greg Vond with his final home run that

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Speaker 3: he hit in the Major League, so he and Greg

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Speaker 3: Vond were tied, and then Vado hit one more and

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Speaker 3: ended up with more than anyone in the history of

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Speaker 3: baseball whose last name starts with the V. Of course,

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Speaker 3: he didn't know that, does he care about that, But

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Speaker 3: dopes like me do, so it's all good.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to bring a lot of the podcasts to

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Speaker 1: tell him all about it, because.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, he would be a great guest.

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Speaker 1: All right, Dad, let's wrap up today's show with three

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Speaker 1: cards in the bathroom. You've gone down to the basement

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Speaker 1: bathroom decorated with baseball cards, not only paper macheade on

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Speaker 1: the great mirror there, but also all across and baseball

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Speaker 1: gloves and everything.

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Speaker 2: Who did you grab?

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Speaker 3: What do you got? Right? Well, first one I came

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Speaker 3: up with was Floyd Banister, who was a very good

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Speaker 3: major league pitcher and a great pitcher collegiately and he

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Speaker 3: had a very good career. And his son, Brian Banister,

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Speaker 3: pitched in the major leagues. And you know how much

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Speaker 3: I love those starting pitcher matchups, you know, Mike Mason

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Speaker 3: against Ken Dixon, the Mason Dixon matchup. You know, yeah,

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Speaker 3: how much I love those. So Floyd Banister's son, Brian

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Speaker 3: Banister was facing Gavin Floyd. So the pitching matchup was

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Speaker 3: Floyd Banister and Floyd Banister's son was pitching in the games.

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Speaker 3: We got such a and I told Floyd Banister that story,

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Speaker 3: and he actually knew that. I had reported that thinking

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Speaker 3: this is the dubbest thing I've ever heard, But he

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Speaker 3: loved it just because his son was involved in the equation.

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Speaker 3: So yes, Floyd Banister, that was the first one. Let's

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Speaker 3: see if you could remember this one, Jeff, I know

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Speaker 3: I've used this before. Vance Law. Now, Vance Law has

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Speaker 3: been on the All Courtroom team, you know, with Aaron

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Speaker 3: Judge and you know Al Chambers and all those guys.

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Speaker 3: Johnny Bench, you've heard that one. But what is vance

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Speaker 3: Law's name? We had fun with his Law and Orda, right,

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00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: George Orda was the second baseman and Vance Law was

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Speaker 3: the shortstop for the White Sox briefly and the double

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Speaker 3: play combination was Law and Order. How about that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I just wish the baseman had a

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Speaker 1: last name that could fit too. Varren Judge played then

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Speaker 1: and was the first baseman. You probably would have absolutely

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Speaker 1: lost your mind.

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Speaker 3: Right Law Order Judge? Oh god, it would have been

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Speaker 3: so good. All right, last one. Jeff is one of

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Speaker 3: my favorite players. Tom Candiotti and speaking about Billy Crystal,

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Speaker 3: I know I've told you this story before, but you're

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Speaker 3: going to hear it again. So Tom Candiati, Billy Crystal

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Speaker 3: makes a movie sixty one. It's a great movie. If

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Speaker 3: you haven't seen it, I mean it's been out for years.

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00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: It's great. The level of detail was amazing. So Billy Crystal,

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Speaker 3: who loves the Yankees, loves baseball and really understands it,

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Speaker 3: needs someone to play Hoite Wilhelm in the movie sixty one.

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00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: So Tom Candiotti, knuckleball pitcher like White Wilhelm, had just

657
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Speaker 3: been released and he was angry that he didn't get

658
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Speaker 3: another job in the big leagues and it's like spring training.

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Speaker 3: So Billy Crystal calls him and says, Tom, we need

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Speaker 3: you to play Wait Wilhelm in the movie. So he says,

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Speaker 3: of course, I'd love to. So they get him out

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00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 3: there and Billy Crystal told him, now, look, Tom, this

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00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 3: is a very authentic movie. We want you to throw

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Speaker 3: your best knuckleball. Okay, no matter what, you throw your

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Speaker 3: best knuckleball. So Tom Katiotti goes out there. He's only

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Speaker 3: like in one scene where he's pitching to Roger Merris.

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00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 3: All right, Tommy Jane, I think played or Barry Pepper.

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Speaker 3: One of those two I should know played Roger Merris. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so I think it was Barry Pepper. Okay. So he

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Speaker 3: throws the pitch and of course Barry Pepper can't hit

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Speaker 3: it at all. And then he throws fifty knuckleballs and

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Speaker 3: Barry Pepper can't hit it because no one else could

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Speaker 3: hit it either. Jeff, you couldn't hit it. I couldn't

674
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Speaker 3: hit it. Ninety percent of the big leaguers couldn't hit it.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not being critical of an actor who couldn't

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Speaker 3: hit it. So finally Billy Crystal has to run out

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Speaker 3: to the mound and he says, Tom, we have problem here.

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Speaker 3: It's called videotape. We're gonna be here all day. Don't

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Speaker 3: throw your best knuckleball down. Throw something that Barry Pepper

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Speaker 3: can hit. Okay, So Tom has to slow down the knuckleball,

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Speaker 3: and when he slows it down, he loses control of

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Speaker 3: one and he hits Barry Pepper like in the back,

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Speaker 3: and Barry Pepper goes down like a second and the

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Speaker 3: entire cast and crew comes running out thinking that Tom

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Speaker 3: Candiotty just killed the star of the movie. So Tom

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00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 3: walks to home plate because the pitch had been thrown

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Speaker 3: like fifty miles an hour, so and it's still hurt.

688
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Speaker 3: Don't don't think fifty miles an hour wouldn't hurt. It hurt.

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Speaker 3: But he's lying in the dirt and Barry Pepper looks

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Speaker 3: up at Tom Candiotti and says, I should get up now,

691
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Speaker 3: shouldn't I? And Tom Candiotty goes, yes, that was fifty

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Speaker 3: miles an hour. You should get up now. So it's great.

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Speaker 3: So Tom Candiotti Hoyt Willhelm in that movie, and he

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Speaker 3: told me years ago he still gets royalty checks from

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Speaker 3: the movie. And he said, I got a royalty check

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Speaker 3: the other day for eighty seven cents.

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Speaker 2: That's we're going shop, right.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he got a lot of much bigger royalty checks.

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Speaker 3: But that's my Tom Candiotti story. Really good major league pitcher,

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Speaker 3: very good knuckleball pitcher, and he appeared in sixty one

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Speaker 3: as Hot Wilhelm.

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Speaker 2: Do you know my fun fact about Tom Candiotti?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Is this how you feel all the time.

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Speaker 1: Knowing something about baseball that nobody else knows? I mean,

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Speaker 1: can I just can I just take this moment in

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Speaker 1: for a second.

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Speaker 3: Riley, get to the point. What's the question?

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Speaker 2: National Treasure Reference.

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Speaker 1: Tom Candiotti has the highest career war for a pitcher

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Speaker 1: without having an All Star selection?

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: It is right? It is true. I confirmed it.

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Speaker 1: I knew, I knew had that factoid in there, and

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Speaker 1: I just confirmed it on the internet while you were

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Speaker 1: telling your Tom Candiotty story.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is true.

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Speaker 3: All right, we're going to do for one of the

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Speaker 3: team Tim's as we move ahead, the all team of

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Speaker 3: guys who never made an All Star team and had

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Speaker 3: really good career Kirk Gibson, Tim Salmon, Jan Pierre, Tom Candyaty.

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Speaker 1: Tom Salmon has the third highest WAR of any player,

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Speaker 1: Tom Candyotty being two. Tim Salmon has the third highest.

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Speaker 1: Tom Candiotti is two. But he's the highest pitcher, number one,

725
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Speaker 1: highest career war without an All Star selection.

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Speaker 3: Kirk Gibson.

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Speaker 1: Kirk Gibson is five. Tony Phillips really number.

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Speaker 3: One, so interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And then rounding out the top five at four

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Speaker 1: is Danny Darwin. Kirk Gibson, as you mentioned, is five.

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Speaker 1: How crazy is that?

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Speaker 3: Dad? That is so cool? That is so great? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: All right, well, Dad, I mean, I just we have

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Speaker 1: to end on a high note with me showing up

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Speaker 1: one of the world's best baseball experts.

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Speaker 3: Jev. I'm really proud of you. You the research you've

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Speaker 3: done over the years has been very impressive. I'm really

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Speaker 3: it's really good how you are. I don't want you

739
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Speaker 3: to be like me, because this is pathetic to be

740
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Speaker 3: like me, But you're really picking up some good stuff here, Jim.

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Speaker 3: Pretty soon I'm going to be just as good at

742
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Speaker 3: country music as I'll never be any good.

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Speaker 1: I was good to say you didn't keep pumping my

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Speaker 1: tires anytime you want, Dad.

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Speaker 3: That felt great.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, next week we're gonna have the results

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Speaker 1: from that very important Hall of Fame ballot.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back with.

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Speaker 1: You on Tuesday, and then at the end of this month,

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Speaker 1: we have a little special surprise for everybody who has

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Speaker 1: been listening for the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Wait to share that with you as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Jeff, I have to go because I have

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Speaker 3: to put a car seat back in my car to

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Speaker 3: go pick up Emma and Carson at preschool. Do you

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Speaker 3: know how hard it is to put a car seat

757
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 3: in a car? I mean, seriously, I know it has

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00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 3: to be secure, but does it have to be that difficult?

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Speaker 3: I have ten minutes to figure out how to get

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Speaker 3: this thing in there. I don't think I'm going to

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Speaker 3: make it, and I don't have anyone to help me.

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Speaker 2: Definitely not going to make it.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you right now, hell on earth is

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Speaker 1: putting a car seat in a car, or taking one

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Speaker 1: out in the summer.

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Speaker 2: That is hell on Earth.

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Speaker 1: I had to take one out of my car Dad,

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Speaker 1: before our Florida trip, because we took that one with

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Speaker 1: us and it was.

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Speaker 2: Thirty five degrees outside.

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Speaker 1: Dad, and I was sweating perfusely because I couldn't get

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Speaker 1: it out.

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Speaker 3: Jeff, stop talking. I have to go do this now.

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Speaker 3: I am in charge of picking up the children at preschool,

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Speaker 3: and I got to I gotta get a car seat

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Speaker 3: in right now.

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Speaker 1: Wish me luck, good luck, Thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: As always, thanks for being a part of our family.

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Speaker 2: Go Pop Pop, Go Go