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Speaker 3: This mid tap crazy war YEA make something.
Speaker 1: And right now I want to tell you arguably this
Speaker 1: is pop be one of the if not the best,
Speaker 1: one of the greatest hip hop all producers over all
Speaker 1: of all time. The man can make anything. He can
Speaker 1: produce movies, make scores. He can produce your producers, producer, producer,
Speaker 1: the producers, the other producer. They look up to him.
Speaker 1: He has put together one of the most legendary groups
Speaker 1: of all times. There will never be another. There was
Speaker 1: never one before and there will never be another one after.
Speaker 1: They are the alpha and Omega as a person that
Speaker 1: I look up to in a lot of ways. If
Speaker 1: it wasn't for what they did in hip hop, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't have trickled down to what people did after that
Speaker 1: in hip hop, and that led it to me. So
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, this is his show, regardless
Speaker 1: he claims it or not. In case you don't know
Speaker 1: what he's talking about, talking about Bobby, motherfucking digital Chris raheem,
Speaker 1: motherfucking the rhythm. I ain't gonna lie to you. We've
Speaker 1: been trying to get you from the beginning. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean because because of But I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you something. And I know I'm bouncing around, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you something. I went. I was in Paris
Speaker 1: two days prior to Wu and Na's coming to Paris.
Speaker 1: So I looked at my wife and I was like,
Speaker 1: it's no way. I'm in Paris and I'm gonna leave.
Speaker 1: Knowing that it was coming, I was like, we gotta
Speaker 1: stay two more days. So She's like, no problem. I went,
Speaker 1: and I tried to like be like incog Negro right
Speaker 1: because I wanted to like actually see the show, like
Speaker 1: as a fan. When I tell you and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying this because I say this when they're not around.
Speaker 1: That's arguably the best show, not hip hop show, the
Speaker 1: best show I've ever seen. Right, No, me, let me
Speaker 1: break it down for you. Why I'm sitting there as
Speaker 1: a fan. Steve Rifkin is trying to just like me
Speaker 1: to the back, and I'm like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: go to the back, like I actually want to like
Speaker 1: the regular seat. I want to sit down to people
Speaker 1: just recognizing me. I was like, not tell you, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: I'm a minority today, like I'm I'm a fan.
Speaker 3: So what I didn't know was y'all shared the stage.
Speaker 1: It really it's really a Wu Tang nas showna's Wu
Speaker 1: Tang show. It's not like like one is opening up
Speaker 1: for each other. We came up with that idea and
Speaker 1: how did him just come about in the beginning? Then
Speaker 1: now I was both talked about like this has to
Speaker 1: be like a cold headline, like like like you know,
Speaker 1: we're not opening up for each other. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that doesn't doesn't make sense. So from the beginning we
Speaker 1: thought of that, but then the idea was like, now
Speaker 1: how to bring that to reality? And you know, I
Speaker 1: make movies and film and stories, and so I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I got some ideas and then I built
Speaker 1: with the Garden and he you know, no, I said it,
Speaker 1: what what the is going to direct the tour? Right right?
Speaker 1: I was like yeah, yeah, and so and so we
Speaker 1: you know, we we just built it like that. And
Speaker 1: whoever else came involved, because Buster was was on that one.
Speaker 1: It was Buster Hall Paris one. No, no, okay, because I
Speaker 1: know we had Buster in Daylight will yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: next one, right. But point being made is that no
Speaker 1: matter who came on that tour, the idea was that
Speaker 1: we're not moving as a competition with each other. We're
Speaker 1: moving as a movement. Like the goal is for the
Speaker 1: audience to be entertained by the hip hop culture, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So we're not never trying to
Speaker 1: outdo each other or none of that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. The music, the vibe, the energy is like
Speaker 1: you in Paris, We're taking you back to New York.
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, when we hit London, Dublin,
Speaker 1: but this is a New York state of mind. So
Speaker 1: the tour, so the tour was caught New York state
Speaker 1: of mind, right because it. Get do two tours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did. We did two rounds and they was both
Speaker 1: caught New York State. Yeah, okay, bad and so. So.
Speaker 1: The funny thing though, is Naza and pitched the idea
Speaker 1: of New York state of Mind. That's my Oh wow,
Speaker 1: that's his song, you know what I mean. But I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: were moving like this with the Woo and nas. That's
Speaker 1: the New York state of Mind. I'm saying. Some of
Speaker 1: my Woo brothers was like, that's dope, But how about
Speaker 1: Woo York state of Mind? Yeah that's a non spher,
Speaker 1: non cipher like like like nah, Now, New York state
Speaker 1: of Mind is perfect, you know what I mean. Then
Speaker 1: we're going buster game, same thing everybody. You know that
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you know, hip hop
Speaker 1: is gone worldwide and does what it does, but it
Speaker 1: still has this mecca, it still has its foundation. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's New York, you know what I mean. So you
Speaker 1: know what man and so and so and so that
Speaker 1: tour was was was was was the fiftieth your anniversary
Speaker 1: of self right, So it's like, yo, let's go New York. Listen.
Speaker 1: Let people feel that.
Speaker 3: You've got a sequenced to like a mixtape almost.
Speaker 1: That's what I felt like. I felt like it was
Speaker 1: a mixtape purpose and a play, and the play had
Speaker 1: a baby. It was like it was theatrical. It was
Speaker 1: ups down, like I mean, we found so we found.
Speaker 1: What I would say is we found points of connection
Speaker 1: that happens. Right. So thanks to NADS and Mob Deep
Speaker 1: and Gray Kwan and Ghosts and the songs they did together, right,
Speaker 1: thanks for the Cuban Link album which had that song
Speaker 1: verbal Intercourse, right and another songs they did over the years,
Speaker 1: we had intersection marks. Yeah. So it's like so Nas
Speaker 1: came out on Verbal Intercourse, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and then when he came out that was it was
Speaker 1: still part of the WHO set. But then we transitioned
Speaker 1: away and he goes into it and then he gets
Speaker 1: back to Off One High and Ray Kwan joins him
Speaker 1: on that and he brings Ghost and Kap. But then
Speaker 1: we transitioned it back and forth and it just was
Speaker 1: like tag team welay race, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And and that that that you gotta give.
Speaker 1: Grace the Nas too, because it's like it's almost like
Speaker 1: he's he's holding it down with other people like it
Speaker 1: is hard. Yeah, well, I mean, first of all, you know,
Speaker 1: na is one of the greatest, of course, but also
Speaker 1: in that capacity though we was all one. That's right,
Speaker 1: like like like like I love that. He was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I'm the the tenth by the time. At that time,
Speaker 1: it was like now it's just we just's and you
Speaker 1: know what we were saying to each other. You know,
Speaker 1: this is the show where people come and talk and
Speaker 1: they open up, right, But we were saying to each
Speaker 1: other backstage, you know what I mean, even with Bus
Speaker 1: and everybody who joined through throughout the process, was like,
Speaker 1: this is just good for the culture. It's good for
Speaker 1: black men to see all this alpha energy work together,
Speaker 1: not compete, not writing over this or squandering over this,
Speaker 1: not arguing over the economics and none of that. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's good. It's a good model for the rest of
Speaker 1: the world to see. That was like our backstage talk.
Speaker 1: We knew that, Yo, this is what this is kind
Speaker 1: of like what the community needs to be doing. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Get off of that if they
Speaker 1: call it a black going black, white on white or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, We're going love on love,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: You know what's the beauty about that that I got
Speaker 3: to see.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I was sneaking backstage at first
Speaker 1: until y'all performer. Then after you have perform, I kind
Speaker 1: of like revealed. But what I got to see is
Speaker 1: each individual grow. Like I remember going backstage. I remember
Speaker 1: seeing Way and Ghosts on one side, and you got
Speaker 1: and Cavo on one side, like it used to be
Speaker 1: like like almost like a like like I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was like park Hill and State and Brooklyn
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like, but when I got to
Speaker 1: see it this time, like I guess this is everyone
Speaker 1: coming together has grown men and understanding.
Speaker 3: I got to see the love, Like I.
Speaker 1: Got to really see like y'all as brothers and like
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there like holy shit, like I'm still a
Speaker 1: fan because because i'm your friends, like I considered the
Speaker 1: family too, Like I'm still a fan. So I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there and just watching y'all and I just see how
Speaker 1: happy y'all are when y'all to get that when y'all together,
Speaker 1: like that shit is like I know I'm outside, but
Speaker 1: I can see that ship and I could be like yo,
Speaker 1: like because when when y'all get together, do y'all women
Speaker 1: this of the beginning or yah women, yes, yes, staying
Speaker 1: in in the now. You never know though, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But it's the beautiful thing is there's
Speaker 1: so much history, and the history is so intertwined, like
Speaker 1: like you said, you know, to the degree of you know,
Speaker 1: children like my sister got children by goals, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like.
Speaker 3: The family tree is preyed.
Speaker 1: You know, meth wife and you guards, you know, first
Speaker 1: mother of his, see the sisters just like this, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Me and ray Kwan third grade together,
Speaker 1: you know, the community of it all, I think is
Speaker 1: what keeps it everlasting. That's why who tank forever? And
Speaker 1: I just think that at any given moment, you don't
Speaker 1: know which one of your brothers got that spark of
Speaker 1: chi that's what you needed, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I might be on a high mountain thinking, you know whatever,
Speaker 1: versus on some Rizzarus ship, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But I needed to see you guard that day, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, just just just because my shoes start getting
Speaker 1: too point you know, it's like, hold on, God, you
Speaker 1: gotta round them off a lot and get two pointy
Speaker 1: on your shoes. So it's like still sharp and still
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's and that's what we
Speaker 1: do for each other. And I think, I know, I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna say. I think it's like every time that
Speaker 1: votron comes together. Yes, you know what I mean, you
Speaker 1: get to form that blazing sword, you know what I mean, bump.
Speaker 3: And now you guys are going into the new tour.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the new tour, which we called the Final Chamber,
Speaker 1: and that's going back to like us, you know, running
Speaker 1: around the globe one more time together, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. We touched the globe, yes, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and you got to think about you know,
Speaker 1: you know you MC hip hop, you know, or the
Speaker 1: success that hip hop gave us. And it's like, do
Speaker 1: you go back and give back to all the people
Speaker 1: that actually do their consumption of your material allows you
Speaker 1: to put your son through college or allow you to
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, to be up in your
Speaker 1: five thousand square feet or whatever. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: How do you go back? And will you go back?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And for us it's hard
Speaker 1: to get us all together regardless because of that, but
Speaker 1: this is all part of a plan, right, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, one thing that I saw I have
Speaker 1: to do is plan ahead. So but you planned a
Speaker 1: thirty year plan.
Speaker 3: You knew that y'all would be here thirty years later.
Speaker 1: It's what I said, though, Okay, this is what I
Speaker 1: just say, and you can vouch this from another brother
Speaker 1: and to a team. I said, when we came, based
Speaker 1: on the energy we was bringing right, the talent level,
Speaker 1: the unorthodox that you for, the universal, that w you
Speaker 1: for that wisdom. When we was bringing I said, I
Speaker 1: don't see nothing coming like this gonna take twenty five years,
Speaker 1: twenty years before the system itself starts to catch up. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the twenty years before it's like, okay, now
Speaker 1: this the talent level of others are starting at that
Speaker 1: talent left. And then I said, but maybe, I said,
Speaker 1: when that happens, though, our plane is going to land.
Speaker 1: I said, now we can land like this, right, we
Speaker 1: can land like this. If we land like this, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, that's thirty years yeah, okay, And
Speaker 1: that's what we were on this one, that this is
Speaker 1: no nose. Let me let me let me know, let
Speaker 1: me let you know. If you know this expression, thank you.
Speaker 1: Whenever a person people have like you know, a cammarderie.
Speaker 1: Like it's a bunch of people and people say, yo,
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna break it up and put this
Speaker 1: person over there, this person there, you know what people
Speaker 1: call it. Let's vizard it. You know that now I
Speaker 1: know that that's a good. That's a good. Remember y'are
Speaker 1: the first group ever in existence that had one record
Speaker 1: label with the whole group and then piece off each
Speaker 1: That shit is genius. Don't let's take a Okay, what
Speaker 1: is this? What is this? I like that? I like that?
Speaker 1: You got more? Okay? Okay, So we're drinking sake today,
Speaker 1: all right. So the reason why we're drinking sake, I
Speaker 1: watched the show when you drink what you drink? But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's only two liquors like like this that gives you
Speaker 1: an upper okay. One is the Chila yes, and the
Speaker 1: other is saki. Now saki though doesn't have ethanol alcohol
Speaker 1: in it. This is for a minute, all right. So
Speaker 1: this fermentation meaning you don't get no headache and all that.
Speaker 1: So this is if you're going drink vomiting fluid. No,
Speaker 1: don't drink like what does that mean? We to each
Speaker 1: other through time anyway? Saki that's fool. Yeah, this is fool.
Speaker 1: Let me chase. Yes, yeah, yes, we gotta we got
Speaker 1: you go get full Flash sake lessons from it's called
Speaker 1: Heavenly Ski. Yeah, this this particular saki. Yeah. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take some ice in there and put it like that.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, give us that bottle service.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm only joking. So because me, I was
Speaker 1: the person I was trying to get in the industry,
Speaker 1: I was a young kid, I was probably like, what
Speaker 1: what was it? And what? Yeah? The who say funny gave?
Speaker 1: My first album was ninety three.
Speaker 3: I have the fly from the first Miami showing ninety four.
Speaker 1: That was so me. I was too young to understand.
Speaker 1: I thought only y'all was on the same label. When
Speaker 1: people was like, no idiots, when the individual projects. Yes,
Speaker 1: when when I first off, when I sa e't meth
Speaker 1: on the bus?
Speaker 3: What was now bring the Pain.
Speaker 1: Wasn't on a thirty six changs? Right? That was right? Yes,
Speaker 1: I was confused because I'm like, why they ain't got
Speaker 1: that logo with that right? Right? Yes? So this is
Speaker 1: this is I sort of God. I don't even think
Speaker 1: of acting this for the fans. I think of accident
Speaker 1: this for myself. But what made you say, you know
Speaker 1: what everyone puts the what's that ship put the p's
Speaker 1: in the same bucket all your age basket. That's what
Speaker 1: I meant.
Speaker 3: So what made you say was that the plan or
Speaker 3: that how it developed?
Speaker 1: It was? It was the plan as well as uh
Speaker 1: the evolution of the plan. So what I mean by
Speaker 1: that is that you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you know, we all you know, I can I put that.
Speaker 1: I like to talk too much about the street hustle
Speaker 1: side of that, right, but coming from a street hustle, right,
Speaker 1: what you need mostly in the street hustle is what
Speaker 1: a connect, all right, So once you got the connect,
Speaker 1: then you could kind of be up in the building, right,
Speaker 1: so loud as to connect right, right, So we so loud,
Speaker 1: you know at the time, you know, you know Steve
Speaker 1: Rifkin of course being an intelligent executive, one of the
Speaker 1: best executives. Because Steve Rifkin was an executive, that didn't
Speaker 1: get him interfere with the art, right, His job was
Speaker 1: to market it and do it.
Speaker 3: Your job, he was a young dude at the time
Speaker 3: into hip hop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your job was to cook it. His job was
Speaker 1: to serviet you know what I mean, but what we
Speaker 1: were but he didn't have the at the time, the
Speaker 1: business couldn't sustain all of us. We knew that you
Speaker 1: couldn't take this. Even if somebody were to through a
Speaker 1: m hip hop wasn't getting no ms back then. But
Speaker 1: even that ain't going to feed this whole family, right right,
Speaker 1: So the idea was like, well, let's make the connect
Speaker 1: with him, Okay, make that a piece of business, but
Speaker 1: then make connects with other partners throughout the industry, right
Speaker 1: so that we can first economically be able to maintain
Speaker 1: the organization and then so that's the economic decision to create.
Speaker 1: The decision was this, So I'm a guy in the
Speaker 1: industry that came through the industry and felled right according
Speaker 1: to how you would say success would be with Prince
Speaker 1: Rock after the Prince Rakking EP, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You know, ten twenty thousand units wasn't enough to hit
Speaker 1: that threshold, even though right now ten and twenty thousand
Speaker 1: units right now it's like you popping no, no, no, now,
Speaker 1: look it went it went back major.
Speaker 3: What was the.
Speaker 4: Tommy Boy defending major ind Major like a major.
Speaker 1: But the guy for me was you know, I had
Speaker 1: to hit a certain number in order to get that
Speaker 1: album budget. I didn't hit that number of Tivy boy,
Speaker 1: I didn't get that album budget. You had a threshold.
Speaker 1: You had a threshold. So the point being made is that,
Speaker 1: but I had a chance also to see the industry
Speaker 1: in a way that it was just dog eat.
Speaker 3: Dog from whatever you saty for what it was.
Speaker 1: But I said in my psyche that, y'all, what if
Speaker 1: I get the industry to work together all from my
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So I intentionally was like
Speaker 1: if Death Jam have somebody, if Geffen has somebody, if
Speaker 1: you want to elect you have somebody, b MG, loud
Speaker 1: half somebody, you know what I mean. Eventually, when West
Speaker 1: Coast and got party to get something, the industry is
Speaker 1: almost unintentionally working on your behalf, working on the behalf
Speaker 1: of WO time, right, So let me ask you. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry to cut you up because I really don't you
Speaker 1: follow me on that though. Yeah, okay, but that's not illegal, right,
Speaker 1: not design like that where you don't ask you were
Speaker 1: you become. What I'm saying is like, you know, when
Speaker 1: when the group is signed, it's like I would have
Speaker 1: known Oh no, no, because now that's in our industry
Speaker 1: because they was just woo taking aside Method many in
Speaker 1: our industry. You don't, you don't want that to happen.
Speaker 1: Let's pros and cons to that, right. I want to
Speaker 1: get too deep on the business right here. I want
Speaker 1: to spend more time building with you then talking about
Speaker 1: the business, right who But I will say the beauty
Speaker 1: of it. Let me say the beauty of it is
Speaker 1: that after Wu Tang thirty six came Method Man, all
Speaker 1: these sisters going platinum, bro, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And then the last album to come in that first
Speaker 1: swing of the solo albums was Liquid Swards right right,
Speaker 1: and when he came. By the time he came, you
Speaker 1: got Electra, Loud, Death Jam and now Geffing and even
Speaker 1: g because we have the gold albums with great biggers.
Speaker 1: Right back in those days, you had to buy floor
Speaker 1: space in the record stores for pop, right, and you
Speaker 1: had to buy that in order, you know, to get
Speaker 1: your records there. All five labels put their money together
Speaker 1: to have who taking the front and the right y'all.
Speaker 1: And even though Ji was the album that came out
Speaker 1: and he hit the number one rap album or whatever, right,
Speaker 1: everybody who had catalog shit double their cells. Like so stay, say,
Speaker 1: dude is doing twenty thousand normally, right forty Now you're
Speaker 1: doing forty, kid, because the industry is combined.
Speaker 4: Like what the playlist would be today. If someone's popping
Speaker 4: on the playlist, it runs down the playlist.
Speaker 1: You know what. I never thought of that, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was the first playlist. Now, now, who was somebody
Speaker 1: you did business with that you wish you did that?
Speaker 1: Whish I didn't? Yere hm, that's that's a deep question.
Speaker 1: I got plenty of them. Okay, you need an example,
Speaker 1: I got ready, But I can answer that one quick
Speaker 1: for you. Who was this gentleman a boy? The name
Speaker 1: of thinker's name was Rock? Okay. It was the first
Speaker 1: lesson in record business, one on one for me, which
Speaker 1: was he we were selling protected next by ourselves, right
Speaker 1: out of our trunks. But if you got lucky, you
Speaker 1: could get it to a one stop, right, you get
Speaker 1: it to a one stop. That's like they may take
Speaker 1: five thousand copies, and we was getting them. We was
Speaker 1: we was getting We was moving units. We moved you know,
Speaker 1: tens of thousands before we finally got the loud Wow, right,
Speaker 1: that's what made loud.
Speaker 4: One stuff is the regional distributors exactly. But my men,
Speaker 4: my men rock, sorry, my man Rock. He was representing
Speaker 4: the one stop.
Speaker 1: He said, and he took you know, let's just say
Speaker 1: five thousand copies, you know what I mean, and boom
Speaker 1: we sold them. But then now we're coming for the cream.
Speaker 1: He ain't got the cream, right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it's just like what and we don't understand that.
Speaker 1: But this is your friend from the hood. This is
Speaker 1: an industry we're selling. Madam Mover was like, yo, this
Speaker 1: guy he's going to take five thousand copies, was like
Speaker 1: that's nice. Boom Press, let's go. Let's go. Yeah, people,
Speaker 1: we're going to rock and Sol rock and Sol is
Speaker 1: hitting us with clothes crash this cash on delivery. But
Speaker 1: you gave him okay, yeah, all right, he don't pay wow,
Speaker 1: So now you don't pay. So now we stepped we
Speaker 1: step in kind of we stepped in aggressive, you know
Speaker 1: that is at those young age. And he was like uh.
Speaker 1: It was like it wasn't gonna go well. But with him,
Speaker 1: who worked put on was the two brothers who I
Speaker 1: respected this day, the Lean brothers, you know, brothers. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: the US brothers. Yeah, everybody writes us and it was there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. They said they advised us because they couldn't
Speaker 1: nobody can stop us. But they advised, like, yo, listen,
Speaker 1: let this go. You know what I mean, You guys
Speaker 1: got a whole thing ahead of you if you go
Speaker 1: and do what you're gonna do here they get in here, right,
Speaker 1: because it's like that's that's it could be some gangster
Speaker 1: shit at the end of the day, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: grow because you know, when you're young. You don't know that.
Speaker 1: You know, like all the cases that my WHU brothers
Speaker 1: had is because being young, right, and so you don't
Speaker 1: know that. Yo, you knock this dude out, you starmped
Speaker 1: this dude out. That could stop your whole career. That's
Speaker 1: because your physical aggression. Yeah, so we took advice from him.
Speaker 3: But wait, hold up, but how does it get through
Speaker 3: to you guys in that moment?
Speaker 1: No, no, because while I still negotiated, he had he
Speaker 1: had a studio. It's okay, you know what, pay us
Speaker 1: back in studio time. So we had to. So we
Speaker 1: found the we call it a diplomatic solution, which was
Speaker 1: pay us back in studio and they did the song
Speaker 1: method Man that became the next single was because it
Speaker 1: was done in that scene in that studio. We went there,
Speaker 1: and it sounds a little better than protecting that sonically
Speaker 1: because I'm now in a real studio with a little
Speaker 1: SSL and all that. So it had it, had it,
Speaker 1: so it was explains a lot. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so so so so that was So that was a solution.
Speaker 1: But doing business with him was like it almost made
Speaker 1: me say like fuck the fuck your game, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, because it's like I didn't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't expect somebody to do my package like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like your package to
Speaker 1: give him a package you bunk bunk bunk. So so
Speaker 1: I didn't expect that to happen. You know that, none
Speaker 1: of us, they're me power, you know, divine at the time,
Speaker 1: move all of us. But the solution was a show
Speaker 1: diplomat solution, right yeah, So Marsko Selly was I like
Speaker 1: what you went with it? You said cred but you
Speaker 1: once you put that, trying to put the yeah take
Speaker 1: a shot, it can't you can't take a shot. And
Speaker 1: we can't take let's gip him for for for for
Speaker 1: the for the game, expensive album and nice. So this
Speaker 1: to me is genius as well. Right, how does this happen?
Speaker 1: Because this guy step to you and say, I want
Speaker 1: to will they created it? Okay? Yeah, I'm asking you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So we talked about this a lot already.
Speaker 1: So I'm okay, I want to hit. I got so
Speaker 1: much time with you. Okay, let's go.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 1: I will say this though about it. Right. It was
Speaker 1: an idea that one of my students, and you know,
Speaker 1: kind of germinated, right, and it was kind of cohesive
Speaker 1: with the idea I had, which was, to me, music
Speaker 1: is art. It should be treated as such. Right. At
Speaker 1: this time, music was being devalued, right, right, So it's like,
Speaker 1: now we got to find a way to put value
Speaker 1: back into it. And people mostly value what they can't have,
Speaker 1: all right, Sorry, then they can't have this, right, only one.
Speaker 1: We're going to make one copy and it's gonna you
Speaker 1: gotta go to a museum to hear it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. That was the ambition of it. Uh
Speaker 1: So we started to listen and and and the funny
Speaker 1: thing is different millionaires and even billionaires was acting like
Speaker 1: they was going to buy it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was like it was because that's the auction business,
Speaker 1: Southerby's and Padaway, that's what they do, right. But then
Speaker 1: I met this kid. He was still a kid and
Speaker 1: he wasn't famous yet, Marsh Grelly. Maybe at the time
Speaker 1: he was probably worth a couple of hundred mil so
Speaker 1: he was really a baby compared to the other bidders. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: all the bidders had bills. But he had came to
Speaker 1: the little listening and he heard it. He heard like
Speaker 1: a little twelve minutes and he was like, yo, whatever
Speaker 1: he heard. He needs that album. He needs the Enigma
Speaker 1: time code machine exactly right in the in the turning
Speaker 1: papers and this is awesome historical ship. Wait, the Enigma
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with listen that's from World War Two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's getting the last one they got, like the one
Speaker 1: that's the last living listener. He's getting that. He's getting
Speaker 1: the tuning papers of the guy who designed this ship.
Speaker 1: This is the guy who made the first computer arguably,
Speaker 1: and the Wu Tang album. He's all three of these ships.
Speaker 1: And so I told her, I said, yo, you know
Speaker 1: this album is like, you know, all albums like our babies,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So you got to be
Speaker 1: treating this thing with the highest respect. And that's when
Speaker 1: he told me, I'm gonna do all that and when
Speaker 1: you get all three of these things, he said, he's
Speaker 1: going to become like a powerful man in the world. Right.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, wait, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Bung bung. And I didn't hear about the other things. No, no,
Speaker 1: And so he does it right, and I kinda I
Speaker 1: kind of make the make the deal with him. Right
Speaker 1: then I'm home my wife and ship we chilling. She
Speaker 1: knows about it and all that. And then he's on
Speaker 1: the news and she's like, uh, maybe isn't that the
Speaker 1: guy that's that's uh that you made the deal with
Speaker 1: the guy disclosure or it wasn't it was also NBA.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're still working out the deal, you know,
Speaker 3: all the paperwork.
Speaker 1: Ship.
Speaker 3: But then he shows on TV as the evil lest
Speaker 3: Man Alive. He was in medication.
Speaker 1: Okay, so but I'm like, oh, ship boom, but aldi
Speaker 1: shook hands with him, already made a deal. So so
Speaker 1: I could you know, your world is your bond, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So you know with it. But
Speaker 1: I did say this to him. I said, Bro, you
Speaker 1: got a lot of bash it on you. I would
Speaker 1: advise that you take this whole album and do something good.
Speaker 1: I said, maybe just give it to the people. Wow,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what to do. I said, it's
Speaker 1: a chance for you to do good. He smiled at
Speaker 1: me and doubled down on bad ship. He went, he
Speaker 1: caught be for ghost faces and everything that great, he
Speaker 1: went in anyway, Yeah, yeah, but it is. It is
Speaker 1: on record right now. The album when it was resold,
Speaker 1: it was resold for over four million. He bought it
Speaker 1: for two resold it for over four or the government
Speaker 1: took it. Then they auctioned it all. So it's it's
Speaker 1: one of those it's like it appreciates like a house
Speaker 1: or some shit. It's like it gets more and more
Speaker 1: valuable over time. And it and it didn't make the
Speaker 1: Guinness World Records as the most expensive single album in
Speaker 1: the history. You know what I mean? He said to
Speaker 1: it earlier, he said, give it to the people. Is
Speaker 1: that an option in the contract that they could actually
Speaker 1: give it. You could give it.
Speaker 4: You can't sell it, can't sell it. But the government
Speaker 4: didn't make that contract with you so they could auction it. Well,
Speaker 4: the government, you know, they know because they got it
Speaker 4: from him and then they were able to it.
Speaker 1: They can only auction it as a single unit, like
Speaker 1: a painting. It's almost like an n f T. That's
Speaker 1: what That's what I thought. I was the first NFT.
Speaker 1: I was will to say, Yeah, I say that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can say, like the first n f T. It's like,
Speaker 1: even if somebody's playing you gotta it's only one moment,
Speaker 1: Lisa yo, right, you know what I mean, And that's
Speaker 1: that's what it is. I mean, you got people that
Speaker 1: got the T shirt, but the real more release of
Speaker 1: that is like this more like what I'm going to
Speaker 1: Monica on Sunday, Monica. How many people? Because the documentary, right,
Speaker 1: everybody was mad as your brother and then I got
Speaker 1: to see brothers kicking at wakec On's weather. Okay, so
Speaker 1: like that that was the part of the documentary. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm outside of looking in. That was the
Speaker 1: part like because was known to keep family business in family.
Speaker 1: This is the first time everybody coming out. It's the
Speaker 1: first time I've ever seen that. But then I see
Speaker 1: so for me as a person, that's like like, you know,
Speaker 1: I got to see that. It's it's love there. Of course,
Speaker 1: all that Showtime documentary, it looked different, looked at contentious.
Speaker 1: What's your explanation for that? For the for the way
Speaker 1: it looks on the documentary. Yeah, okay, we got the
Speaker 1: Japanese cups from the Japanese look somewhere Japanese try to
Speaker 1: redeal you got so. One other thing was saki. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you're drinking heaven sake, which is actually a saki
Speaker 1: that's polished. The rice was polished fine for this, like
Speaker 1: it's all about how you polish the ris to get
Speaker 1: the best fermentation. And then also a French wine master
Speaker 1: finished this all that's why it's so smooth. But this
Speaker 1: one you can't pour your own saki. Yes, so I
Speaker 1: need you to pour miss that's right. Never okay, don't
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 3: Let me take this shot.
Speaker 1: Over that. Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, Bomber, Yeah, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: if I'm doing all the rule. See like she's like
Speaker 1: this guy, no, we need to learn, No, we need
Speaker 1: to learn, you know. So when we have motherfucker Jackie
Speaker 1: Chan come here together, I turned together, said Yo Rizzard
Speaker 1: told us motherfuckers exactly I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, so real quick.
Speaker 1: In the Showtime documentary, it was talking about how some
Speaker 1: of the brothers was angry with Divine based on business, right,
Speaker 1: and every artist may have been through this, and you're
Speaker 1: an artist or you may be able to play to this.
Speaker 1: So the argument with the with the Vine was saying
Speaker 1: the ghost face was y'all of coach said, if I
Speaker 1: make a million dollars, how much you get? Right? I
Speaker 1: think Divine said, you know, twenty percent, ten twenty maybe
Speaker 1: ten percent because we kept we kept that modest. Most
Speaker 1: managers take twenty percent of your money, right, your agent
Speaker 1: takes ten percent. Right. If you make an m thirty
Speaker 1: percent is gone right, right, and go say I fucked that.
Speaker 1: I want my whole ill. So what happens is the
Speaker 1: artists don't realize that your art definitely creates value. But
Speaker 1: it's music business, right, and so the business side has
Speaker 1: to go and what these that. So if an artist
Speaker 1: is only if a manager's only getting ten percent, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, you're getting nine hundred down right.
Speaker 1: You may want your whole joint. But it's like yo, nah,
Speaker 1: this is business. And so when you're in that business
Speaker 1: position in the way you're gonna you look almost you
Speaker 1: look down upon in a way, right because the artist
Speaker 1: is thinking, like yo, I signed for a million dollars,
Speaker 1: where's my million? It's like nah, yo, And to forget
Speaker 1: what the manager taking with the agent takeing. The lawyers too,
Speaker 1: the lawyer don't man my man Uncle Sam, and I
Speaker 1: ain't talking about Sam Jackson. You know they're coming in
Speaker 1: like right down. So the Vine has always been the
Speaker 1: business savvy one of us. So when he got out
Speaker 1: of the system, right, he got a job at the
Speaker 1: World Trade Center cleaning carpets. But he was reading all
Speaker 1: that shit, you know what I mean. So, but he
Speaker 1: was studying all that shit. So he was doing quick books.
Speaker 1: I'm making beats on my computer. He's doing the counting shit.
Speaker 1: He's learning and managing shit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And his deal if you go back and you check,
Speaker 1: and I'm not just bigging him up because he's my brother.
Speaker 1: But if you go back and you checked, you know
Speaker 1: every company besides WU Tank Production, So WHU Tank Production?
Speaker 1: I started at myself personally took my last ten g's.
Speaker 1: I had a choice. Let me I say this with you.
Speaker 1: I had a choice, bro me and Tony had twenty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, right, and the plan was to go hook
Speaker 1: up with my uncle Joe and get a break. I
Speaker 1: just knew Uncle Joe wasn't good from there thought out
Speaker 1: what you said.
Speaker 3: It's a way, he say.
Speaker 1: Uncle Joe told my pops that's my post, my brother,
Speaker 1: my pop's first cousin. So we so we go down
Speaker 1: and we we we see uncle Joe. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I got a seed in the oven. I
Speaker 1: got nalls of self that's clear now because I'm not
Speaker 1: smoking a drink, and so my brain waves are super clear.
Speaker 1: And we down and I'm not a vegan knocked out
Speaker 1: like seventeen chicken wings that you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm going there and it's like and we're talking about it.
Speaker 1: It's like you're boom, we'll get it to North Carolina.
Speaker 1: I'll get it from North Khaki and bring it to
Speaker 1: the package eh. But on that trip, Yo, I decided
Speaker 1: to leave without it. M hmm. Came back to New
Speaker 1: York empty handed. You had the money, right, and it
Speaker 1: told Tony like, nah, I'm done. I'm done negative, right,
Speaker 1: Because every time we did something negative, something went wrong.
Speaker 1: Somebody got locked up, somebody got shot or you gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta get your biscuit, and it says negative breeze negative,
Speaker 1: and the Bible with says for every negative action you do,
Speaker 1: I give you one in return, he says, but for
Speaker 1: every positive action you do, I multiplied you by ten.
Speaker 1: So I was like, yo, I gave ghost his hat,
Speaker 1: took my half, and I actually told him, I said, yo, bro,
Speaker 1: love you go on with your life man, because ghosts
Speaker 1: is so real that the way we was going, he
Speaker 1: would have jumped in front of the bullet, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And I was like, nah, God, I
Speaker 1: appreciate everything, but go ahead. I gotta figure something outside.
Speaker 1: And I just walked. I walked for days and days
Speaker 1: and days. People thought I was going crazy a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I was form a lady and I realized what
Speaker 1: I had to do it. I'm gonna give a shout
Speaker 1: out to mister James Smith. He's the father of Mel Kwan.
Speaker 1: Mel Kwan was my first manager. I'm giving him a
Speaker 1: shout out because I sued to go to his crib
Speaker 1: and he believed in his son, mel Chwan. So he
Speaker 1: started a record label called Your Maker Records, and that's
Speaker 1: where he had a group called the divine force on it.
Speaker 1: So I boring all of them right from my pink houses.
Speaker 1: But I always went to his house because I was
Speaker 1: signed as an artist. I used to fall three hundred
Speaker 1: dollars for the rent. I stopped scrambling and all that
Speaker 1: at this time, right, but he always had boxes of
Speaker 1: records stored in his crib, and I realized that the
Speaker 1: record company was his house, the Brownstone was the label.
Speaker 1: So I took my tenzis and went and sat down
Speaker 1: with him, played a few games of chests, and said,
Speaker 1: I want to start a company. He said, Yo, you
Speaker 1: go talk to mister Warren. Mister Warren to help you.
Speaker 1: I went to talk to mister Bill Warren. We formed
Speaker 1: the Wu Tang Production. I put the money in the lawyer,
Speaker 1: put the money in the bank, formed the company, formed contracts,
Speaker 1: and then took this idea and stepped to my brothers like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this is what I this is the plan. So before
Speaker 1: you form the company, you didn't have to fully signed
Speaker 1: to you No, so you had to go to them
Speaker 1: and convist them that, yeah, that's I had a former company.
Speaker 1: And then they're not gonna say convinced my brothers, I
Speaker 1: would say that advise my brothers gonna go anywhere, whether
Speaker 1: I caught you or not. Yeah, okay, but let's go together,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So look, by myself at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, no disrespect to nobody. And
Speaker 1: I'm a guaranteed gold artist, right, I got gold, Bobby,
Speaker 1: there's your those gold grave daggers with my Wu Tang brother,
Speaker 1: I'm multi platinum, right exactly. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So you Yeah, by myself, I'm a but together the
Speaker 1: community eats. Right. Look how many families eat off of
Speaker 1: this record tree?
Speaker 4: Yo?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So I want to share
Speaker 1: that share that peace with you, because what was the
Speaker 1: date that you that you made the company? Like around
Speaker 1: what year? This is probably the company's ninety two, right,
Speaker 1: And then protecting that comes out. I make the company first,
Speaker 1: and then after the company, uh started gearing up equipment.
Speaker 1: When got powered to join me help gear up equipment.
Speaker 1: Gave him a divine control of management. I told him,
Speaker 1: nobody takes nobody's publishing. Publishing always stayed with the artists.
Speaker 1: I read the book, you know what I mean, And yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and and built it. So the point I
Speaker 1: was saying by saying that with you is that the
Speaker 1: idea to do wrong was trump by the idea to
Speaker 1: do right, and then the idea to do right multiplied
Speaker 1: my entire family, my entire team, and to this day.
Speaker 1: Right you think about the Wu Tang series, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know I've taken Now, I got ten new young
Speaker 1: men actors, some of them is their first gig, right,
Speaker 1: turning them to millionaires. That's a just to remind DMX
Speaker 1: on the show, right And DMX So I said something
Speaker 1: to him, and DMX said, I stopped this in rack
Speaker 1: rack rappers And I said, oh yeah, watch and he said,
Speaker 1: because every one rapper can feed sixteen families. So let's
Speaker 1: think about that. Think about what I experience, right right,
Speaker 1: right right? You funded a whole, the whole, at least Connecticut.
Speaker 1: You argue that Wu Tang had its own economy. You
Speaker 1: created an economy that was Wu Tang. No, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: So let me tell you a story that's that's funny. Right.
Speaker 1: I met you one time at the Woo store. I
Speaker 1: came to an opening, and then I think one time
Speaker 1: in Mystic studios and that right, But then one time
Speaker 1: we was in a hip factory studio. This is our
Speaker 1: fire getting hot. I finally like hot, like I was
Speaker 1: all one of the times I met you, I was
Speaker 1: coming up. I'm finally hot. I'm finally hot. Like it's
Speaker 1: like the NR albums. I'm steping, I pull I pull up.
Speaker 1: You already in You're already I think you would leave it.
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't tell. But it was like fifteen
Speaker 1: of y'all and I can tell you was zooted out
Speaker 1: your mind. I look, but this is Missa right. He's like,
Speaker 1: but I gotta be cool about it. I gotta be cool.
Speaker 1: But I'm still this is Middler. So you said to me,
Speaker 1: you said to me. He's like, I made the beat
Speaker 1: exactly how you wanted it. And I was like, he said,
Speaker 1: exactly how you told me to do it. I made
Speaker 1: it and I'm like, world up.
Speaker 5: But it wasn't you.
Speaker 1: I wantn't make it.
Speaker 4: With me.
Speaker 1: But he was like, if you want to hear it,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I came upstairs. You played me
Speaker 1: the most amazing BF the fuck I had. Track Master
Speaker 1: Jones said, Yo, Nord, give me one second, and I
Speaker 1: went outside to get one second, and it was crazy
Speaker 1: about that crazy tone introduced me to fifty cent Wow
Speaker 1: as I turned around. Your man, that's crazy. I got
Speaker 1: to beat man. That's crazy. You don't remember, you know, yo,
Speaker 1: that I tell that story all the time because so crazy.
Speaker 1: You know here back in those days, I just saw
Speaker 1: the sort of gizzl will always be filming us, right,
Speaker 1: you know, he was going to let's let's take a
Speaker 1: shot for that beat. Okay, shot that we never heard
Speaker 1: of it? Hey, yo, bro, Yeah, I realized this is
Speaker 1: really good though, by the way, hold on, hold on
Speaker 1: because now because you know, first I was, you know,
Speaker 1: I was gonna like it, whether because because you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying like that, no matter what I want
Speaker 1: to believe, No, no, no, no, I was with the program.
Speaker 1: But this is actually good. No, no, this is this
Speaker 1: is This is especially if you drinking in the daytime.
Speaker 1: Bright you could drink this at lunch and still go
Speaker 1: back to the office because you said, this is an
Speaker 1: upper exactly. We're not getting socky face here, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: we getting like the big back. What's up with the
Speaker 1: V one? Like I mean, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: We got die a little bit, you know, to live
Speaker 1: a little bit. Sometimes you got die a little bit.
Speaker 1: You see. Great, see great, hairs, great hairs, great hairs,
Speaker 1: like colonists, Okay, colonists trying to get this you're like
Speaker 1: a colonists. But you know what, you probably as an artist, right,
Speaker 1: and your artist suggested, right. But I think, like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I gotta say this ship. I think like when you're
Speaker 1: thinking about like our image are look and all that,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like as an artist you kind of
Speaker 1: almost like how with responsibility to try to keep your
Speaker 1: physical physical and everything almost the same if you can,
Speaker 1: because like that's the that's the that's the image of
Speaker 1: your that's your commodity. You know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: mean if you look at this box right here, I
Speaker 1: mean you got the smile and ship I mean, and
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. I'm proud of you. Got to send a
Speaker 1: couple of you're good.
Speaker 3: I told them last time I was res here. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to get Ris down with the crew.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Oh goddamn it, So I want to go in the
Speaker 3: box something for a little bit.
Speaker 1: Acting. One of my favorite roles you did is with
Speaker 1: uh uh, what's that ship? When Adam Sander's sick and
Speaker 1: you and the funny people. Funny people, Yeah, like.
Speaker 3: Is acting something that attracted you to that world?
Speaker 1: Or is it scoring the movies that bring you there? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't Like I didn't. I didn't forecast
Speaker 1: myself being an actor, but I forecasted. You know, being
Speaker 1: an actor is almost a dream, right kids watching TV? Unattainable. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't think you're going to be on that silver screen.
Speaker 1: But what happened, I think for me, unfortunately, was when
Speaker 1: I was scoring movies, I had a chance. I got
Speaker 1: this gentleman name usually don't give good she you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, because he he he, he made a
Speaker 1: lot of big mistakes in our business and and he's
Speaker 1: in jail for but you know what I'm talking about that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he he he met me when I was scoring
Speaker 1: Kill Bill, and he.
Speaker 3: Saw my charisma. Tarantino ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he saw he saw that I had like
Speaker 1: a magnet is like an actor has to have a
Speaker 1: madnessys in my thing? And he so then he was
Speaker 1: doing this movie called De Rail. It was him and
Speaker 1: his other producer name of Lorenzo, Lorenzo the brother no Dams.
Speaker 1: I'm a drinking so I can't even say Lorenzo's name, right,
Speaker 1: so I was just to my brother Lorenzo. Let's say
Speaker 1: to a shot to Lorenzo. Lorenzo, but do something mate,
Speaker 1: I Joe and all what the the the vatura? It
Speaker 1: gets better? Yeah, every every every second Lonzo name Okay,
Speaker 1: his name is yeah, let me say I said again,
Speaker 1: Lorenzo d Bonnivataura. Let me say Lorenzo's name right, well,
Speaker 1: Lorenzo d Bonnivatura. And uh and uh and mister bank
Speaker 1: Bong was doing the movie and uh he caught my crib.
Speaker 4: Yo.
Speaker 1: He's like, Rizzo, I'm doing the movie. You still got
Speaker 1: a cryb This is this is, this is this is.
Speaker 1: I sure got a qlip fun You gotta have a
Speaker 1: qlip phone? What to sound like? Go wow, you can't
Speaker 1: hit nine one one?
Speaker 3: You like this slow battery radio joints just in case, no,
Speaker 3: I got I.
Speaker 1: Gotta we keep a hard wire Plus we got an
Speaker 1: elevator in the crib. And and you got no. The
Speaker 1: law is you have an elevator in the crib, you
Speaker 1: gotta have a hard wire phone. Okay, that's a law.
Speaker 1: That's not why I got the phone. Okay, but but anyway,
Speaker 1: but he calls the crib and he just says, uhre's
Speaker 1: do my movie. You have a new career. Now, that's
Speaker 1: like that. I was like, but I had to go
Speaker 1: to London. And so I told my wife and said, well,
Speaker 1: I got to go to London. They want me to
Speaker 1: do this movie. You know what I'm saying. Bunk bom
Speaker 1: can say bunk bom. But and so bam I went
Speaker 1: to London. It was called Derail mh and check this
Speaker 1: it out. So I do this movie right, in this
Speaker 1: particular film, this is when you acted me actings and
Speaker 1: Clive Owens is the is the star and John Carlo
Speaker 1: Esposito right, and my character is not gonna make it
Speaker 1: through the movie because you're black. I'm sorry. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a question. I don't know that's rhetorical. It's definitely
Speaker 1: still a typical this particular film. Okay, okay, right, my
Speaker 1: character ain't gonna make it well, and I know that
Speaker 1: I read the script right, but I don't know how
Speaker 1: movies work. Okay, this is your first one, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: your film. Okay, So I'm thinking when I get there,
Speaker 1: everything is linear, like my character, Shit, you're gonna do
Speaker 1: it ship you filmed back, We're gonna do it ship.
Speaker 1: You know, you know which way it's gonna go. But
Speaker 1: on day one they did the shot where they do
Speaker 1: me dirty, you take it out and they gotta do prosthetics.
Speaker 1: They put all this metal ship around my head, put explosives.
Speaker 1: This ship is, this ship is, this ship is traumatizing,
Speaker 1: all right, you know what I mean? They put the
Speaker 1: quarter load. Okay, so this is not like this is
Speaker 1: like this it changes my life, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: They want Bob. I mean, first first shot of the day,
Speaker 1: you know, they prepping me like, yeah, we're gonna do this.
Speaker 1: And then so so then the movie goes on and
Speaker 1: I'm exactly they want. But then the movie goes on, right,
Speaker 1: And then I said to myself, was shit, the character
Speaker 1: definitely ain't making It's no rewriting of that ship. So
Speaker 1: I better do something to make the character remembered, rememberable, memorable, right,
Speaker 1: And so I So there was this dude in my
Speaker 1: hood that's always whistled every time he came around it.
Speaker 1: And he whistled so much that even when he returned
Speaker 1: to the essence at his funeral, one of his son's
Speaker 1: whistled and the whole everybody just broken. Tears because he
Speaker 1: just had this whistle, and so I said, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: whistle every time my characters show up on screen so
Speaker 1: that when it happens in the movie, the audience gonna
Speaker 1: fil me, right, So sat it out. So I do that.
Speaker 1: And when they do the testing, when they put movies out,
Speaker 1: they test, They test like who you like, who you
Speaker 1: don't like. So my character test is so high that
Speaker 1: they gave him another scene and it caused the casting
Speaker 1: agent to call me for American Gangster. But I went
Speaker 1: into that director later though. He's the police and the
Speaker 1: American gangster. Yeah, exactly, you played a good police, Don't
Speaker 1: give me honest I did. I thought you was the boy.
Speaker 3: I was almost almost called you, like, man, I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I did that good right?
Speaker 3: That would chase the most by the.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie, you know. I got nineteen the
Speaker 1: rest on my sheep. Damn when they when they when
Speaker 1: they when they pulled it out one day, and I'm
Speaker 1: not bragging about this. I just saw it hit the floor.
Speaker 1: This is this is this is this. When I was
Speaker 1: like nineteen, and the judge was like, yo, bro, you
Speaker 1: got to go shut down for a minute, no matter
Speaker 1: what this. This is a petty it's a petty crime
Speaker 1: right here waiting the floor. But but let me go
Speaker 1: back to this director real quick. I know you gonna
Speaker 1: chop this check it out. So now I'm with the
Speaker 1: director years later, and you know I must have some
Speaker 1: success in the in that field. I said, Yo, let
Speaker 1: me ask you this, Why on the very first day
Speaker 1: did you cure my character?
Speaker 3: Like, why can't you let me get used to the set?
Speaker 1: He said? And he's he's a he's a sweetest guy.
Speaker 1: He's like Bobby. Actually, I didn't know if you was
Speaker 1: going to show up for the rest of the movie.
Speaker 1: You know, rappers, they are volatile ship es. Seriously, they
Speaker 1: don't come on time. So I knew I needed that shut.
Speaker 1: Once I got that, I say, whatever he do from here,
Speaker 1: I could cut around. Oh that's crazy, you know, but
Speaker 1: that was a stigma for us. You got to think
Speaker 1: about it. Hip hop comes to Hollywood, the trailers smell yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm saying, when I realized that, I made
Speaker 1: it my business right, because I'm notoriously known for being late,
Speaker 1: I made it my business not to be I made
Speaker 1: it my business to start being a reliable entity for
Speaker 1: all of us so that when they call somebody know that. Yo. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: these days, okay, you know what I mean, they'll show
Speaker 1: up because a lot of hip hop is when we
Speaker 1: was coming to the film, we bought out hip hop,
Speaker 1: so we didn't really have the respective time. Oh it's
Speaker 1: a different, different anyway, bunk bomb, But goddamn, I want
Speaker 1: to go and.
Speaker 4: Dive into Grave Diggers copy? Can you can you like
Speaker 4: what spawned that project? Was it already something in your
Speaker 4: mind in the Wu Tang beginnings?
Speaker 1: No, the Grave Diggers is a brainchild of Prince Paul. Okay,
Speaker 1: so the Grave Diggers Trince Paul super producers. Hold on,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's toast Prince Paul. Look, genus, I don't
Speaker 1: think you get enough. You know, we need him on
Speaker 1: drinks here? Yeah, because because what's Grave Diggers. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm rushing the question. But what's Grave Higgers considered
Speaker 1: the first horror rap considered? Yeah? Okay, yeah, okay, were
Speaker 1: you considering it that? Like hardcore? Was it a thing
Speaker 1: to you guys doing that? No? I think like, we
Speaker 1: don't name my ship. We didn't even name hip hop.
Speaker 1: Hippo media media media called the horror core. We don't
Speaker 1: name it, you know that, but it was it was
Speaker 1: his brain child. He worked on Tommy Boy. He had
Speaker 1: a lot of success and things like that. But I
Speaker 1: met Prince Paul when I was doing Prince Raking The
Speaker 1: High Hats, my first single was done by Prince Paul.
Speaker 1: I never used to use high hats. Even if some
Speaker 1: of the wou you'll go with this dude didn't pick
Speaker 1: the high hats set right, Paul was like, no, you
Speaker 1: need high hass. You know what I mean? They keep
Speaker 1: the time. But he thought about it, and he said
Speaker 1: four of his favorite them or three of his favorite
Speaker 1: them seeds was fu quan for stuff to sonic right,
Speaker 1: Prince rock King, who didn't make it at the time,
Speaker 1: and too poetic from too poetic right, he thought he
Speaker 1: thought as lyricists that he just loved us as that.
Speaker 1: And so this is before Wu Tang. I'm working on
Speaker 1: Wu Tang, my own business, my own company, all that.
Speaker 1: I'm doing that, but I'm going to Long Island three
Speaker 1: times a week to Prince Paul's house. It's parallel. I
Speaker 1: don't even know. I don't know what's going to happen,
Speaker 1: but I know that Prince Paul is Prince Paul I
Speaker 1: admired him. I think Prince Paul, out of all producers
Speaker 1: and all reality, he's the He's the father of the
Speaker 1: hip hop skit.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, seriously, his albums are crazy.
Speaker 1: So even though we did our skits would come through
Speaker 1: movies and Wu Tanger is known for their skits. Doctor
Speaker 1: Dre is known for his skits. Prince seriously, he d albums,
Speaker 1: those Daylight albums, yeah and all that. I forgot that
Speaker 1: those albums so the ass were they were journeys within themselves.
Speaker 1: So anyway, so he thought of bringing us together. Now
Speaker 1: far as of being grave biggas, that wasn't what it's
Speaker 1: going to be. He don't. He don't know what we're
Speaker 1: going to create it. But at the end, but at
Speaker 1: that time, I was in a revery dark space, right,
Speaker 1: So if you go back into that hip hop, I
Speaker 1: created the fangs, all right, but the fans came from
Speaker 1: a dream, all right. When I was young, nine ten
Speaker 1: years old, nigga, the vampires kidnapped me care They threw
Speaker 1: me in the bag and they carried me and the
Speaker 1: dude had a crazy dog with him to His dog
Speaker 1: was Silver. That'sing a silver dog, right, and he was vicious.
Speaker 1: Yoall with a vampire. With a vampire, I like the
Speaker 1: vampire women, you know what I mean? Because might like
Speaker 1: vampire women, but you know, and they threw me in
Speaker 1: the they threw me to the women. And then when
Speaker 1: I became a vampire, I had metal teeth and so
Speaker 1: and so now I'm doing this and like, I got it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring that shit to reality, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And so I told the jeel to make
Speaker 1: the fangs were going grave diggers. You're going a resurrector,
Speaker 1: so me Paul fu Quan and poetic. You know, we
Speaker 1: we brainstormed on it and we thought about what it's
Speaker 1: gonna be. We said, yo, the grave diggers. But the
Speaker 1: grave diggers had another con context. It was like, why
Speaker 1: be a grave digger? Well a calling to According to
Speaker 1: Malcolm X, he said, our people are mentally dead. So
Speaker 1: if our people are mentally dead, that means we got
Speaker 1: to dig them back up and bring them to life.
Speaker 1: So that's why you see the pic the sickle and
Speaker 1: the shovel. The sickle cuts the grass, the pick breaks
Speaker 1: the wood, and the shovel digs them up. You got
Speaker 1: the grim Reaper, the Gatekeeper, the Undertaker, and me, I
Speaker 1: bring it back. I bring you back to life. The
Speaker 1: Resurrector brings it back to life.
Speaker 4: You want to say, just to reiterate, I think it
Speaker 4: was dope, is that it was parallel to Wu Tank.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like, uh, Prince Paul came in and said, oh,
Speaker 4: because of.
Speaker 3: Wu Tang, let's do No, it was parallel. It worked out.
Speaker 1: It looked like from the outside looking at it looked
Speaker 1: like Grave Diggers came after and even that second album
Speaker 1: when we did Wu Tang Forever, we had the whole
Speaker 1: studio complex American Studio and in California. Yea, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so we so no, we had We did both holburs
Speaker 1: at the same time. This album and Wu Tank Forever
Speaker 1: is done at the exact same time. Every I got
Speaker 1: everybody living at the oak Woods and okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yea yeah. So we got twenty thirty apartments in the
Speaker 1: oak Woods, Grave Diggers flying and tire Woo flying, sons
Speaker 1: and man flying, and we just kill up priest flies
Speaker 1: and were just in the studio just making music, making music,
Speaker 1: and then Mutank Forever becomes the album and the Grave
Speaker 1: Diggers be coming down, and to.
Speaker 4: Be fair, Prince Poel was already a legend too, Yeah,
Speaker 4: super legend. Yeah yeah, yeah U.
Speaker 1: Kwan made that. Then they's nothing like hip hop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we want you to know. Our show is about
Speaker 1: giving people their flowers where they could smell them, they thought, so,
Speaker 1: where they could tell them, they think, where they can
Speaker 1: ding them, and they drinks while they can drink them.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that Snoop Snoop said is better than Grammy
Speaker 1: because it comes from your people.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, right, So.
Speaker 1: I take this. Yeah, that's the point of them. Let
Speaker 1: me say this real quick, and we're not doing that.
Speaker 1: We're not done. Early earlier we got another bomber. Let's go,
Speaker 1: let's go. I do want to say this out loud now.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm proud of you, Yes, proud of what
Speaker 1: you're doing. See, hip hop gave us a voice, and
Speaker 1: for a moment, we thought that voice was limited to
Speaker 1: the beat into the ROMs you're showing improving and some
Speaker 1: other brother but you really kind of pining it in
Speaker 1: a certain way. Yes, that's right. That that that that
Speaker 1: that the voice and the magnetism doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: with the beat in the club. You know, just us,
Speaker 1: just hearing you talk us, hearing you talk to us, us,
Speaker 1: hearing you talk to the to the audience. It's a
Speaker 1: magnetism which you already had when you was doing, but
Speaker 1: now it's just and for for us, you know, sitting
Speaker 1: back and watching, it's like, Wow, the guard just went
Speaker 1: and made foot crunch to a new path, and many
Speaker 1: many people doing and many people following my footsteps. You know,
Speaker 1: they called me the Clarence X a motherfucker mother. But
Speaker 1: let's talk about that.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that real quick.
Speaker 1: Because the other day, uh, well not the other day,
Speaker 1: but like you know, like last month, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: going through New York City and what I saw was
Speaker 1: I don't want to say heartbreaking, but it was it
Speaker 1: was I don't want to say disappointing neither. It was
Speaker 1: different for me, right like going through a hood that
Speaker 1: I don't know and hearing people say saying, Yo, what up, cuz,
Speaker 1: what up? What up? What up?
Speaker 3: Blood?
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, I ain't never used to hear
Speaker 1: that before a days here. You know what's crazy. Even
Speaker 1: if a person came up to you wanting war, you
Speaker 1: know what, the first word they's to say to you
Speaker 1: peace like like you can actually use the word piece
Speaker 1: in a negative way back then, but peace. And you're like,
Speaker 1: oh man, you know what I mean. But when And
Speaker 1: I want you to answer this, when did the gods
Speaker 1: take the back seat and negativity take the front seat.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have that answer right right,
Speaker 1: because I don't think negative ever really takes the front seat.
Speaker 1: I don't think you know what I worded that wrong?
Speaker 1: You're correct, so so yeah, and I don't think God
Speaker 1: never takes the vaccie. But I'll say that you're saying,
Speaker 1: like when has that? When was the presence of that
Speaker 1: energy right not present? And now you got this other
Speaker 1: energy present?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Like for is this not to be long winning? But
Speaker 1: let me just say, like when I used to go
Speaker 1: to Harlem, it was a thing I wanted to stop
Speaker 1: it in law schooling back like like I wanted to
Speaker 1: I want to go get some I wonder would get
Speaker 1: some oiels like I don't even see the instant man
Speaker 1: out there no more, like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: so like I don't even know if a law of
Speaker 1: school with Mecca is still there, like they're still there, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's still there. Well, I'll say this like I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I think no.
Speaker 3: A couple of things happened in New York, you know.
Speaker 1: First and foremost, I think it was when Juliani he
Speaker 1: made everything get off the streets. Remember that he made
Speaker 1: everybody go inside the building and pay and pay rent
Speaker 1: right right right, and and so that took away the
Speaker 1: street culture for a moment. The gentrification of that probably
Speaker 1: really put a big because you can walk in New
Speaker 1: York and you can find rare books like the iis paper, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They came by the call.
Speaker 1: They came before Columbus, the final call, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So now you can't find that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So but also it's like the you know,
Speaker 1: the brothers also went out too, to the world, right,
Speaker 1: So it's almost like, you know a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of brothers went. You go to DC, you go
Speaker 1: to Minnesota, you go to different places. You see that
Speaker 1: brothers have kind of spread out, I mean atl But
Speaker 1: in our day, all that energy was concentrated, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And then the magnetism of it has
Speaker 1: changed because of what magnetized the people. Now, people who
Speaker 1: are more magnetized by money. Right, So the mathematics teaches
Speaker 1: us about the twelve jewels right, knowledge, wisdom, understanding, freedom,
Speaker 1: justice and equality, food, clothing and shelter, love, piece and happiness.
Speaker 1: But most people right now, their concerns is food, clothing,
Speaker 1: and shelter. The other jewels almost irrelevant. And then for
Speaker 1: our community, the only way to get food, clothing and
Speaker 1: shelter is with money. Then the only way to get
Speaker 1: money in our community is that which we see is
Speaker 1: shining with money, which is our artists, our ball players,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the talent like we don't
Speaker 1: know that that, or we don't see the doctor live
Speaker 1: next door to the ball player. We don't know that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So our image of what
Speaker 1: we think that attracts us and could get us those
Speaker 1: three major jewels is the artist point of view. And
Speaker 1: then the artist point of view have changed. So in
Speaker 1: our day, it's rock Kim's cars, one Big Daddy Kane, right,
Speaker 1: or it's Woutang it's nots right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know is that? And then it becomes more and
Speaker 1: more people that don't have this knowledge of self right, right,
Speaker 1: and and yet they're getting richer and richer. So the
Speaker 1: young mind is like, yo, why why would I like,
Speaker 1: why would I study when all I could do is
Speaker 1: do this and get it? And so the so the
Speaker 1: magnetism have changed, and then the brothers themselves. It's almost like,
Speaker 1: I think men get scared to talk to young men. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I don't think that's
Speaker 1: that's that's unhealthy for us. Yeah, you know, I think.
Speaker 1: And then you know, like, look, let me keep it
Speaker 1: raw for a moment. You can censor me if you need.
Speaker 1: You know, we at that age right in our power ciphers,
Speaker 1: right when I mean by power sycles, Yeah, most of
Speaker 1: us who are there, right, power is the truth, right,
Speaker 1: It's a magnetic attraction. Right, he's fifty years old. I
Speaker 1: just turned congratulations. Can you remember that? Can you remember that?
Speaker 1: As of course that threshold? Let me let me get
Speaker 1: your flowers to man, I was like, no, good, no, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know, it's like, okay, so everybody got podcasts,
Speaker 1: everybody's talking, but most of us are talking about glory days.
Speaker 1: Most of us are talking about the darkness of it.
Speaker 1: And I unders ain't talking about the light. There's nobody
Speaker 1: sitting there saying like, yo, when I first read Message
Speaker 1: to the Black Man, or when I first read The
Speaker 1: Circle Seven, when I first read Malcolm X right, or
Speaker 1: or or any great books. You know James Allen as
Speaker 1: a man thinker. You know what I mean, The Art
Speaker 1: of War sun Zoo. You know what I mean, The
Speaker 1: Book of Changes to Each Ching, Right, nobody's talking that, right.
Speaker 1: We're we all trying to prove who's the most gangster.
Speaker 1: So we are trying to prove who's the most gangster
Speaker 1: whatever our children want to be trying to do, prove
Speaker 1: who the most gangster so and so so, so that
Speaker 1: has to change. We got to be listen, bro.
Speaker 3: Gangster.
Speaker 1: Seriously, Malcolm X okay, walking talking that talk at the
Speaker 1: time when you couldn't talk it, traveling, pulling up to
Speaker 1: your city to teach you how to be better and
Speaker 1: and to teach you the power of a black man,
Speaker 1: and to teach you the the the revelation that the
Speaker 1: system is actually being plotted against you. And the system
Speaker 1: is like what you're saying, you know, Doctor King Marching
Speaker 1: turned another tee hit with fire holes and dogs, knowing
Speaker 1: they were going to go into that noo. They walked
Speaker 1: into it. They knew it. Yeah, so so that that
Speaker 1: part of us. And ain't just saying I don't want
Speaker 1: to make this. It's not even a black thing. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying an American thing. The American Revolution itself, bro,
Speaker 1: was people saying, yo, son, I can't pay taxation with
Speaker 1: our representation, sir. You know they was. Let me just
Speaker 1: give you that jewel. Imagine this, bro, in the in
Speaker 1: the old America, if you made some nice cotton shirts
Speaker 1: in America, you had to ship them to London and
Speaker 1: then London package them and sip them back and sell
Speaker 1: them to you. If you live next door to me
Speaker 1: in the old America before the revolution, you can live
Speaker 1: next door and I could write you a letter and
Speaker 1: mail it to you.
Speaker 3: It will go to London first. Oh, because London had control.
Speaker 1: To get back you say in London, I'm thinking London
Speaker 1: When you say you mean, you mean, I'm thinking like London. Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. No, but think about that, right,
Speaker 1: so so so people were brave enough to be vote
Speaker 1: against that. It was to we vote against taxation without representation,
Speaker 1: to we vote against tyranny, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so triviny manifests itself in many forms, and people
Speaker 1: weren't food and diluted to accept it. And so then
Speaker 1: we go back to this is not going into the
Speaker 1: hip hop culture. It's like yo, of course it should
Speaker 1: be fun and it should be ruggedness, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. We came with ruggedness, we know what we did,
Speaker 1: but still it should be substance, right, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And until the substance come back, you're going
Speaker 1: to definitely be dealing with, you know, the eighty five
Speaker 1: mentality and what I mean about the eighty five mentality.
Speaker 1: So the eighty five they say people who are easily
Speaker 1: let in the wrong direction and hard to be let
Speaker 1: in the right direction, you know what I mean. They're
Speaker 1: also poisoned animal eaters, it says, people who don't even
Speaker 1: know their true origin in the world. They don't know
Speaker 1: their own power. I think about you know, someone who
Speaker 1: this thing about a community, you know who gets up
Speaker 1: and everybody got to dollar and they take it out
Speaker 1: of the community instead of keeping it in the community
Speaker 1: and rotating and recycling it. So those times it's changed.
Speaker 1: But I'm optimistic, but not pessimistic. And knowledge is not
Speaker 1: what they call it. Intelligence is always relevant because people
Speaker 1: are like, oh, you ain't relevant no more. Listen, bro,
Speaker 1: intelligence is always relevant. And anybody who gets too far
Speaker 1: away from that, all he's going to do is get
Speaker 1: up to a certain height and he's going to distill back. Right.
Speaker 1: So water never ridses above six miles from the Earth's surface, right, because.
Speaker 3: It can't get heavier than gravitation.
Speaker 1: He said, So when the water rides up there, and
Speaker 1: you could put that to a person, he's rising up
Speaker 1: and he's having these attracting powers, and he's getting up
Speaker 1: and then he gets up and now all of a sudden, boom,
Speaker 1: he's gonna come back down a m for hell, right,
Speaker 1: hopefully snow because the snow was light, pure and fluffy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But this is the same
Speaker 1: thing in the personality of the people, the same thing
Speaker 1: in the celebrity I watched some of us, Like I'll
Speaker 1: use myself as an example. It's like when I became
Speaker 1: like the number one, Like it was like number one,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I call it a complex.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's a high, it's a drug.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm number one nigga and can't tell me
Speaker 1: ship yo, He couldn't tell me nothing serious. I was
Speaker 1: with Quincy Jones and wasn't even listening to him. You
Speaker 1: was with Chrissy. I'm number one, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Knowing no, But even when Tyson was number one, he
Speaker 1: was I'm the best in the world. I'm I'm a
Speaker 1: Zodie at cancer. So maybe no, it's but it's an
Speaker 1: ego thing that kicks. I know you felt it, and
Speaker 1: so now all of a sudden, do you believe you?
Speaker 1: Believe you it? You would have chosenhim, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, And everything you do is right, But it
Speaker 1: ain't I'm saying in the law. You know, he's merciful
Speaker 1: and if and if you're meant for his grace, he'll
Speaker 1: smack you with something. He threw Jonah in the belly
Speaker 1: of the well and sit down and think, homie, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. He had to sit there and
Speaker 1: meditate for a moment, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 1: then realize, oh, I better do what I'm ordained to do,
Speaker 1: not do what my ego is leading me to. You know,
Speaker 1: I talk about Jonah a lot to my buddies and
Speaker 1: ship right, because not Jodah hell no, now Jonah hell
Speaker 1: Jonah in the water on you and they say that
Speaker 1: tak it. Imagine this though this don't imagine this and
Speaker 1: this is not the funny part. Drank champs.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: Imagine you on a boat partying with homies. A storm
Speaker 1: is coming and you kind of the new guy there,
Speaker 1: and they go, yo, we've been kind of cool before this.
Speaker 1: This guy is something might be him, and they take
Speaker 1: you and throw you off the boat. That's what happened
Speaker 1: to him. Wow, he goes in the water. According to
Speaker 1: the story, right, whether it's myth or magic whatever, but
Speaker 1: let's just take the story. He gets swallowed up by
Speaker 1: the well. Now, imagine you inside a well. He closed
Speaker 1: his mouth, and two hours later, you're still there. Now
Speaker 1: two hours you in there like, oh shit, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: You ain't dead though, this is my life, right, you
Speaker 1: ain't dead, but you trust me. You're thinking you're gonna
Speaker 1: be dead any minute now. But now it's four hours. Now,
Speaker 1: it's six hours. You ain't dead. But now it's twelve hours. Now,
Speaker 1: it's twenty four hours. Nigga, you fall asleep, nigga, Now
Speaker 1: you wake up, you're still there. Now you're hungry. Right now,
Speaker 1: you gotta smell it, you gotta feel the flesh. You
Speaker 1: gotta it's dark now twelve hours later. You don't know
Speaker 1: what time you lost time now you don't want to
Speaker 1: sleep right now, you don't know. But there's another twenty four.
Speaker 1: Still ain't getting nowhere, Still ain't eating, You don't piss,
Speaker 1: you don't took a shit. Listen, is deep? You like this,
Speaker 1: but you're alive. And then on that seventy second hour,
Speaker 1: the Mercy Issue and he opens up the spitch. The
Speaker 1: fucking man Jonah went right to his job. Boy, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? This is a life will humble you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's a blessing. You know that happened to me
Speaker 1: in a different way, you know what I mean? When
Speaker 1: I thought I was the greatest and at the top,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, something happened in my life.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: Always in all my shot that's with your audience. It's
Speaker 1: like my mom's passed away. In the year two thousand,
Speaker 1: while I was at the photo shoot for the cover
Speaker 1: of the Sauce and the cover says where the Wu
Speaker 1: Tang Empire Rise again, And we had some preme clientele.
Speaker 1: So I was like, yeah, definitely about to fuck these
Speaker 1: motherfucker's up. This album is is it. This is a
Speaker 1: five micer, you know what I mean. But yet, Bama Lama,
Speaker 1: you see what I mean. So and what that do
Speaker 1: for you is like okay, you realize, okay, your calling
Speaker 1: is more serious than the art. But be an artist, right,
Speaker 1: be an artist, That's what I am. But make sure
Speaker 1: you stay in tuned. So I took the time from
Speaker 1: that point, I visited many temples around the world. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I went to Shiling Temple, Wu
Speaker 1: Tang Temple. Me and my wife did. We went on church.
Speaker 1: We go to churches, bro all types of churches. Went
Speaker 1: to Mecca, went to the mosque, went to the Blue Mosque,
Speaker 1: Abu Da. He went to pyramids of Egypt, all these
Speaker 1: spiritual things. Right. So that so me as an artist,
Speaker 1: when you do get something from the riza, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get that, You're gonna get this element of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it won't be just without cause, without bloods. It will
Speaker 1: be peace God because God is a Greek word that
Speaker 1: means wisdom, strength, and beauty. And it's just three attributes
Speaker 1: of a law. It's not the whole ninety nine. It's
Speaker 1: just three attributes. But yet when we look at each other,
Speaker 1: we should see that wisdom. We should see that strength,
Speaker 1: We should see that beauty. We should see that and
Speaker 1: you should try to radiate that. You should try to
Speaker 1: You know, if you don't got if you got strength,
Speaker 1: gains some wisdom, you don't be a strong, dumb motherfucker.
Speaker 1: If you got wisdom and strength gains some beauty, don't
Speaker 1: be a strong, smart, funky motherfucker. So these things you
Speaker 1: know are important. Bump bump, God, damn, let's take a
Speaker 1: shot for that. Well, tell about quick time with slime works.
Speaker 1: Let's do it.
Speaker 4: This is our drinking game. We're gonna give you two choices.
Speaker 4: You pick one, we don't drink if you say both
Speaker 4: are neither. So basically, you don't really want to answer it.
Speaker 4: I want to be politically correct. Then we all drink.
Speaker 3: But really, the two the two choices we give you
Speaker 3: is not about this and anybody.
Speaker 4: Really, we just want to bring up conversations about the
Speaker 4: people we're mentioned here.
Speaker 1: All good, cool, going to the second bottle? Yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: this is done.
Speaker 4: Lead that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna leave that for the brothers way here, okay, cool, cool,
Speaker 1: this is long, y'all, y'all went in ready.
Speaker 3: I'm always tupoker d m X in which way?
Speaker 4: If this is okay, So everybody asked that question, this
Speaker 4: is whatever criteria in your mind.
Speaker 3: It could be you were closer with one person.
Speaker 4: One person make better spaghetti, one person was a better rapper,
Speaker 4: better producer, whatever whatever in your mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, well, I'm gonna break the rules of
Speaker 1: your game, and I'm gonna drink when I drink. And
Speaker 1: but you mentioned Tupac and d m X, right, but
Speaker 1: actually mentioned two of the most spiritually and tuned artists
Speaker 1: of hip hop prolific. Yeah right, I'm serious. I mean
Speaker 1: they weren't toned spirit a little bit more, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? So okay, they don't seem like I
Speaker 1: just know they both had that had that spiritual energy
Speaker 1: that just exuded out of them, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So both Okay, Okay, played the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta take the shot I took.
Speaker 1: I took my shot. Jamie is gonna be running around
Speaker 1: next Okay, Yeah, Nasa or Jiz in which way? Just
Speaker 1: the way? No, that both very powerful brothers. Right, But
Speaker 1: look for the MC, and my favorite best MC is
Speaker 1: the Juster. Okay, I don't think no MC could beat
Speaker 1: the just I think with have written for hip hop.
Speaker 1: No other MC compare. Even if you go to rock Kim,
Speaker 1: who is one of the greatest, right and most people,
Speaker 1: he is the greatest, and NAS is most people is
Speaker 1: the greatest, right. Right. If I go back and I
Speaker 1: look at what offered to hip hop, right, and then
Speaker 1: look at what US spawned right, Us spawned me right,
Speaker 1: dirty meth ray ghosts, these are all from us, is
Speaker 1: the enlightener, and you go get all your top MC's.
Speaker 1: I'm saying this with a little EGO on my back,
Speaker 1: for ego won't get he won't leave Naje what what
Speaker 1: the war? All pholytically right is Actually no one has
Speaker 1: mastered yet, you know what I mean? Now outside the
Speaker 1: world with NAS did is this to me? Nas is
Speaker 1: to me? This is my own only analogy. I call
Speaker 1: NAS a Bobby Fisher of MC's because Bobby Fisher was
Speaker 1: the youngest MC to the youngest chess master to master.
Speaker 1: He became a grand master at the youngest age. There's
Speaker 1: a few that beat him over the years, but he
Speaker 1: was the first one at that age to be and
Speaker 1: NAS was a master at the age of sixteen seventeen,
Speaker 1: where most of us because you met us we was
Speaker 1: already in our twenties, but he was at the age
Speaker 1: of seventeen eighteen dope at somebody that was twenty five
Speaker 1: thirty true and you know, serious due he was a
Speaker 1: he's a he's a prodigy child of MC in you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But the just is already there
Speaker 1: by the time we meet, he's already writing ideas. You know,
Speaker 1: that's just one day.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm our challenge hip hop to do this. Get every
Speaker 1: MC lyrics and put them in a book and then
Speaker 1: measure it that way and see what you gain from it.
Speaker 1: Right if some make you smile, laugh or teach you
Speaker 1: game like you know, some rappers they give you the game,
Speaker 1: you don't even teach you how to hustle. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. The Rule's gonna teach you how to
Speaker 1: love and all reality. And you saw going through some
Speaker 1: of these lyrics. Bro. First of all, the quantum science,
Speaker 1: the dude that built the Internet motem, you know, the
Speaker 1: Internet motive is No, you don't have you know what,
Speaker 1: Let you go the box. Listen, listen to the thirty
Speaker 1: six A talk about that. I'm saying that hit his
Speaker 1: brain cells opened. So that's what we do we open
Speaker 1: up your brain cells? We cause that. See, when you
Speaker 1: burn wood, you get fueled. You brain burn brain cells,
Speaker 1: you get thoughts. You put the right kind of wood,
Speaker 1: you get better fuel. Let's smoke. You put the right
Speaker 1: type of thoughts and energy, you get better ideas. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So, so Judah said in one
Speaker 1: of his lyrics, uh, something about via satellite from the
Speaker 1: Woo mansion, looking at all the branches that came from
Speaker 1: his tree. He wasn't talking about just the Woo. We
Speaker 1: were just talking about all the MC's that the Woo inspired. Now, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say last thing about the Jist because
Speaker 1: I'm so he's my enlighten up. So what is for
Speaker 1: hip hop? And he won't never say it because he
Speaker 1: never comes out. He's pretty humble, and we need him
Speaker 1: on drinks. He's the one last member of After You. Okay,
Speaker 1: he drinks. But what he is for hip hop? He's
Speaker 1: actually the bridge. So when hip hop started in South Bronx, right,
Speaker 1: some would say nineteen seventy three, right, right, there's a
Speaker 1: project called Soundview Projects. Right, he's his cousin lives there.
Speaker 1: He's learning it from there. Wow. But he's the he's
Speaker 1: the thirteen year old. He bought hip hop to me
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy six. I was bought in seventy seven. Okay,
Speaker 1: he took me to the Bronx, to the Jams, right,
Speaker 1: but we the kids, though. I got my ass whipped
Speaker 1: from staying out again on the train here. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: check it out bus bus note from the shallon bus
Speaker 1: boat train. Jesus seriously. So I got to talk about
Speaker 1: that because because hip hop got all this great godfathers
Speaker 1: and pillars, right, and and it may sound egotistic to
Speaker 1: say that, but Wu Tang became one of those pillars.
Speaker 1: And that's because we have not the founding forefathers. We
Speaker 1: have the first generation from them who was amongst them
Speaker 1: as as as a spectator. So maybe only then it
Speaker 1: was only at best. I wouldn't even say one hundred mcs, right,
Speaker 1: you said it gets diluted after that? Yeah, right, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. When I learned how to MC,
Speaker 1: it wasn't five hundred of us, you know. But anyway,
Speaker 1: keep going, Okay, so he pictures, Yeah, okay, bum bomb.
Speaker 4: I don't got to drink then, okay, you don't have
Speaker 4: to drink cool fourth disciple or true Master as producers
Speaker 4: as whatever.
Speaker 3: These questions are made by these guys.
Speaker 1: Just I'm saying, well, no, no, true master, the fourth
Speaker 1: is the disciples, the true masters, a master. He was
Speaker 1: already a master before Fourth became in the slight. But
Speaker 1: Fourth is dope though, but true mass the Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: if I was a pitt the measure, if I was
Speaker 1: to measure them from my camp of who was the
Speaker 1: wh who laid it the illess, they had true mass,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? He has, He has the
Speaker 1: proof of it is he has more songs on the
Speaker 1: Wu Tang album than Fourth. But Fourth was young young
Speaker 1: man and he was special, special young man, and he
Speaker 1: did his thing for us. Yeah.
Speaker 4: DJ muggs are large, large pro and which way I
Speaker 4: guess it could be whatever, but playing waves on it because.
Speaker 1: Like yo, that's my mass. Like yo, he made me
Speaker 1: ill macaroniy one day. No, no, no, both my man,
Speaker 1: I mean mugs. First of all, lost professor. Once again,
Speaker 1: we don't talk enough about lost professor. That's another one
Speaker 1: that want to die. His heir neither he don't want
Speaker 1: to die. Yeah, man, we're showing you how to gratefully exactly,
Speaker 1: beautiful bro but let me talk about them. I mean,
Speaker 1: Muggs is Mugs, right, and you know so much to
Speaker 1: the culture, Soul Assassin, you know, but you know, Lost
Speaker 1: Professor there's the pioneer. Yes, Like so it's like I'm
Speaker 1: sure that I'm sure that.
Speaker 3: That would probably exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that Lost Professor inspired Mugs. Muggs inspired Lost Professor.
Speaker 1: That's a good way to look at this ship the time. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: and I would say that, but I just want to
Speaker 1: say that that that he needs we need more light
Speaker 1: on him because he's like, uh, he's like one of
Speaker 1: those Red Bentley's, Like you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: you know some people got a Bentley like you see
Speaker 1: that other he's a vintage car bro he's Lost Professor,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't and I don't
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time spend I didn't even get
Speaker 1: five days in life with him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: When I see him, I just automatically have a reverence
Speaker 1: for him.
Speaker 3: And probably one of the first producer slash ms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and with with his lyrics.
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't like them sne part was was not
Speaker 3: as good as the producing Like he was just good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So sounding like you pick it laws from. Yeah, okay, Hice,
Speaker 1: we don't got a drink we can make. So this
Speaker 1: is a two part question. This is a two part question.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: The question is Ellmatic are ready to die?
Speaker 1: Right right? But I also want you to address this
Speaker 1: lifetime rumor that there was a rumor that Meth got
Speaker 1: on the record were big, and that you did not
Speaker 1: want that to happen. You did not want so, so
Speaker 1: first the first madic or ready to die? First, I'm
Speaker 1: going emadic. Okay, all right, we got yes, let's talk
Speaker 1: this rumor rumor. Okay, no, No, I don't want on
Speaker 1: nobody beats wasn't the beast. It was just it was
Speaker 1: just like it was our time, and it was just
Speaker 1: like I didn't want nobody else sharing that in that moment,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I will super But
Speaker 1: Tracy Rapus, first of all, an os just another unsung
Speaker 1: hero of hip hop probably you know she she pitched
Speaker 1: that idea, you know what I mean? And and and yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, yes, she pitched the idea. She pitched the
Speaker 1: idea of of of Meth and Biggie doing the song together.
Speaker 1: And she was already smart, like she's she's the one
Speaker 1: that changes. Let me see what she did, bro Seriously,
Speaker 1: she came to stand alan to my apartment that had
Speaker 1: the records in the box. Okay who the album was
Speaker 1: not out? Only protect your neckers out wow okay? And
Speaker 1: I played her the demos of Method Man Dirty and
Speaker 1: I had a couple of demos that of songs. She
Speaker 1: didn't pick me from the demo they wanted, Yeah, get
Speaker 1: she wanted Meth and Dirty. They wanted both of them.
Speaker 3: For a BIGS album.
Speaker 1: No, no, listen, listen, this is to sign the Depth
Speaker 1: Jam they jam. Oh so so she so I ended
Speaker 1: up signing myth the Depth Jam through her. By the
Speaker 1: end of the day, her that that n R pen
Speaker 1: that signature, who took us to Wissell Simmons and all that,
Speaker 1: that was a big moment for us. So and her
Speaker 1: her vibe and and uh paper on the post of
Speaker 1: culture was was undeniable. And so when she said it,
Speaker 1: of course the biggie, Yeah, she said Biggie and Meth.
Speaker 1: Of course I disagreed because I was very I wanted
Speaker 1: nobody fucking with the woo was this woo? But but
Speaker 1: I trusted her. I believe they trust her and I
Speaker 1: trust her, her her whole cultural posts, and she was right.
Speaker 1: So so let me ask you, was that the first
Speaker 1: feature who did outside of wolves that like, like you
Speaker 1: know what meth was, Meth was hopping featury me was
Speaker 1: the early feature So he did because no, because Meth
Speaker 1: is that type of MC right, Meth love it. Look,
Speaker 1: he loved rappings. To this day, he's gotten better.
Speaker 4: I'm not I think he's gotten better listen, but I
Speaker 4: feel like he's he's gotten better.
Speaker 1: He was always dope, right, he's great, Right, He's he's
Speaker 1: at a level and nobody's talking about him in that degree. Nobody,
Speaker 1: nobody niggas talking about.
Speaker 7: What they didn't take those lists and like they like,
Speaker 7: it's ridiculous with his wits and his liverical ability.
Speaker 1: Right now, Yo, it's like it's almost uncanny.
Speaker 4: It's like he went backwards in terms of like being
Speaker 4: the youthful Meth again, like he's just.
Speaker 1: Gonna hold other chamber. He's free to just fuck you
Speaker 1: up on the mic. But anyway, I'm glad that they
Speaker 1: did it right, and I'm glad that I was proving
Speaker 1: along on that one. Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but but I was super duper fuck that, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean.
Speaker 1: In retrospect, I believe you're right, But I believe in
Speaker 1: that situation you were supposed to let it go because
Speaker 1: that did you know, by the way, when biggest actions
Speaker 1: for this feature, what level of big is he? He
Speaker 1: is he already Biggie Smalls or he's he's becoming that
Speaker 1: guy he's coming at coming. That would be the first
Speaker 1: that No. Look, he had. I mean, first of all,
Speaker 1: he had party and party, which is already it's fun.
Speaker 1: He's bubbling and ship. But this is his album right right,
Speaker 1: and this is going to be on his album. But
Speaker 1: but we're already we're the man already, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. He's going to be the man though he's
Speaker 1: about to drop the medical megaton bombs, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But we don't know that, right, but we
Speaker 1: just I was just really selfish about it. Somebody told
Speaker 1: me to do that too, somebody clear, No, somebody told
Speaker 1: me to be selfish. It was Daddy or from stept
Speaker 1: to Sonic. He came to me one day, ran into him.
Speaker 1: He said, Yo, God, y'all killing it. The wood is
Speaker 1: just and this everything. Say, y'all gonna tell you something.
Speaker 1: Don't let no other producers producer mcs I said, why,
Speaker 1: I said, don't worry about that, don't do it. Don't
Speaker 1: understand mo size too. Like I'm like, I think, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know why he might. I think he's I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Go with his many ms and like that's too crazy.
Speaker 1: If you take a look at it. Right.
Speaker 3: Of course, over time you did keep it the beginning,
Speaker 3: you know, we did.
Speaker 1: We did. Listen who did seven platinum back to back
Speaker 1: as a producer single Wu Tang goes platinum, multiple platforms,
Speaker 1: method Man double Plat, Gray Kwan Platt, dirt Plat, a Platt,
Speaker 1: ghost Plat, then another rule multiplats, back to back, protective.
Speaker 1: It wasn't it wasn't Jesus.
Speaker 3: They come with Kappa go gold, right, he come home
Speaker 3: go gold.
Speaker 1: Then come back plat again. Not the so so keep
Speaker 1: and that was that was you know, from one leadership.
Speaker 1: So that was good. Right. So anyway, anyway, let me
Speaker 1: get off me. This is this is I say, that's
Speaker 1: that's that's, that's that's. I didn't when I looked at
Speaker 1: it one day, I said, damn son, but y'all I
Speaker 1: never left the basement. I'm serious because I want to
Speaker 1: get back to that.
Speaker 3: But before we leave this question, I want to ask
Speaker 3: one more question.
Speaker 1: Okay, you clear this record because you had to clear
Speaker 1: this right, you had to clear math right, So you
Speaker 1: clear this record. Then the very next album you guys
Speaker 1: drop it's Ghosts and Ray actually going at Biggie like,
Speaker 1: what was your mindset saying, wait a minute, did I
Speaker 1: did not make a mistake or how was you feeling? Period?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Well, but first of all, Big is my man, right,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like you knows in peace, rest and peace? You know,
Speaker 1: like like Big is my man, rest in peace? And
Speaker 1: was my man? Like he was happy for me. I
Speaker 1: was happy for him. We seen each other not on
Speaker 1: we seen each other on right. So that's how New
Speaker 1: York was back then, you know what I mean? When
Speaker 1: he got on though, every time you see me, he
Speaker 1: saw me hit me with a bottle of champagne. That's
Speaker 1: the kind of man he was, which is only a
Speaker 1: punch does that? You know what I mean? But as
Speaker 1: he becomes more and more than man and all the mcs.
Speaker 1: My crew is a crew of em seeds. We and
Speaker 1: my crew is is vicious at this time, and now
Speaker 1: he get enlightened, and so it's like Yo, du was
Speaker 1: ready to eat that, you know what I mean. That's
Speaker 1: the energy of m seeing right. That's why every time
Speaker 1: you see a nigga want pop pass a bottle, I'm like, Yo,
Speaker 1: that's he blessing me.
Speaker 3: Don't get mad because he passing me a bottle.
Speaker 1: Right, But that's not fun all that right because we
Speaker 1: was vy also at that one point, is like he'th
Speaker 1: the abbot to ourselves. It's another thing we was. We
Speaker 1: was it was it was like no, it was us
Speaker 1: and nobody and that was our energy. That was It
Speaker 1: took a long time for us to get out of
Speaker 1: that energy, you know what I mean. So you know
Speaker 1: when they said it, it's like they're gonna. I don't
Speaker 1: We can't sensor what they want, what they feel, because
Speaker 1: it had to be something because if you think about
Speaker 1: what they actually said, they was like they nigga bit
Speaker 1: non ship like this actually had nothing to do with them.
Speaker 1: If you think, but you've been another man and hip
Speaker 1: hop had one rule. Yes, it's true, still rules. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the rules still stand. It's just still standing. But you know,
Speaker 1: biting is is like it was just it was just
Speaker 1: the forbidding feud of hip hop. You know what I
Speaker 1: mean and and and when you hip hop and you
Speaker 1: kind of you know one thing about hip hop, knowing
Speaker 1: that people don't remember you couldn't just wear your cago. Kid.
Speaker 1: The dude who had the cano had more than the
Speaker 1: cago wng. But you know what I mean, he had
Speaker 1: he had a spect, you know what I mean. He
Speaker 1: was able to walk through that with that can go
Speaker 1: and get back, you know what I mean, whether they're
Speaker 1: on the ferry bus train, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So we we we those kids that we came from
Speaker 1: Staten Island to lie in quarters I mean Red Part,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Union Square. It's like we're
Speaker 1: in there, you know what I mean. And then there
Speaker 1: you can't be in there. It's not easy to be
Speaker 1: there and not be from Brooklyn, right, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, not be from Queens, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're from Queens. It's like back in those days,
Speaker 1: the rapper, the rapper. Why do you think rappers have bodyguards?
Speaker 1: They couldn't even come in like that. So hip hop
Speaker 1: had this this this heavy culture of being strong, pier
Speaker 1: and they had a heavy culture of not biting now
Speaker 1: you know, but you know, I guess that's how the
Speaker 1: brothers felt like he bet and we and they interviewed
Speaker 1: Ray and Ghosts right here. They spoke up on it.
Speaker 1: What they say about it there was they were like
Speaker 1: that's how they felt at the time, but they regretted it,
Speaker 1: you know because they said Ghosts actually because I believe
Speaker 1: we had way con talk about it. It was the
Speaker 1: first time we had ghosts talk about and ghost was like,
Speaker 1: you know, he made peace with him, like he had
Speaker 1: got to see it. That was good, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Oh that's good. No, No, after the piece
Speaker 1: came before that internally, okay, right, the vine in power right,
Speaker 1: they already was like, nah, remember I produced on BIG's album?
Speaker 1: Was right? Because no, yo, they was they like they
Speaker 1: they was. They didn't appreciate it. We we we we
Speaker 1: squashed that though, because it was like like like they
Speaker 1: was like, yo, I play that cumulation all the time.
Speaker 1: So it was like, but hip hop is that. And
Speaker 1: I'm glad that because because you know, we don't talk
Speaker 1: about ship because uses just to keep moving. But I'm
Speaker 1: glad that Ghosts had a chance. So if he deemed
Speaker 1: that with him, Big was a special, special special dude.
Speaker 1: We all know that, but some of us didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to shake his hand, laugh with him, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, be up in the studio with him,
Speaker 1: and none of that. So they don't so they wouldn't
Speaker 1: know what they don't know. He he was like a
Speaker 1: prince like you know what I mean, like a like
Speaker 1: like a very rare you know what I mean. Then
Speaker 1: when they when you go, like you said, illmatic and
Speaker 1: ready to die, I'm saying for me, lyrically illmatic. It's
Speaker 1: the masterpiece of lyrical talent. But of course ready to
Speaker 1: Die gave us some of the best songs that pop
Speaker 1: ever's going to get, right, bring us back.
Speaker 3: To that skit era you was talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Prince Paul. So anyway, ys move on, look
Speaker 1: at let's go. How am I doing over here? Mama? Yeah,
Speaker 1: stap your feet through times like zone out to pieces
Speaker 1: or Brooklyn and which way the way you are saying
Speaker 1: both because both dank right. I was just trying get
Speaker 1: you to drink, that's all.
Speaker 4: You know what.
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you something. We're here to celebrate
Speaker 1: you tonight.
Speaker 4: Brother.
Speaker 1: I know you're a humble brother, but Lipsen, we're here
Speaker 1: to celebrate you. You are arguably one of the smartest
Speaker 1: people in hip hop, one of the people who invented
Speaker 1: the lane that has never been duplicated and will never
Speaker 1: be duplicated. And I want you to know how much
Speaker 1: we appreciate you here. So we're gonna all night. We
Speaker 1: are here, we are residents. I mean, look, his eyes
Speaker 1: is getting shy, so he don't remember this. You do
Speaker 1: remember this? You don't remember when we was in France. Yes,
Speaker 1: you had that, I had what happened to it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: We're gonna y'all? Yes, And that night I told you.
Speaker 1: Yes, I did you I kind of I kind of
Speaker 1: you tilted that you didn't gonna You know what, Let
Speaker 1: me be honest with you. It doesn't taste like like
Speaker 1: it creeps up one.
Speaker 3: It don't take it was dangerous. Are you drinking with
Speaker 3: the support?
Speaker 1: With the support?
Speaker 4: Which I think I like that. I like that's a
Speaker 4: that's a that's a nice bearing. I mean, well, Japanese
Speaker 4: being and sake they just go great together.
Speaker 1: Yes, themature, but you got another bottle of that's the last? Yes, No,
Speaker 1: we got one more good good. The temperature is getting right, okay,
Speaker 1: okay to feel good, so I'm gonna move on. Okay,
Speaker 1: you said both right, yep, all right, cool, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep it going. He went to the bath. Okay, you
Speaker 1: said something about hold on hot sake. You said you
Speaker 1: only drank hot sock No. I used to only drink
Speaker 1: hot socky because I thought it with cold beer. I
Speaker 1: thought that goes together. Wow, I don't know. Well, hot
Speaker 1: sake is usually bad socky. So so you make it
Speaker 1: hot just to kind of like to get rid of it.
Speaker 1: You would never heat does something? This is you know
Speaker 1: what's crazy. I've never drank hot saki wolf Japanese people.
Speaker 1: Only drink it with my white friends. Okay, so is
Speaker 1: that bad? It's no, no, no, no, no that man,
Speaker 1: you've been no no, no no. Hot saki is usually
Speaker 1: going to be a lower grade. Right. So this is
Speaker 1: here right here, and you'll see right this is a
Speaker 1: jumai okay, right, So the jumai is a special way
Speaker 1: they make it. So so that's like a gave like
Speaker 1: in tequila. Like there's different thing. Yeah, exactly, it's like
Speaker 1: a Nate hole okay, okay, and blanc hole.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 1: So even know this is not stuffed in the barrel. Okay,
Speaker 1: The point being made is that you will never heat
Speaker 1: this up, okay, you know, I mean that would be
Speaker 1: like destroying if you have some saki, like you know,
Speaker 1: some fot out of saki okay and you just kind
Speaker 1: of going to the hibachi spot and they.
Speaker 5: Be like, yeah, yeah, you know, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 9: I swear to go.
Speaker 1: I thought I knew every drink etiquette in the world.
Speaker 1: Just fucked me up just now, because that's what who
Speaker 1: I spoke to today, Diego. I used to always drink
Speaker 1: hot sock, right, so I didn't know. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that that's that's the.
Speaker 3: Cheap ship because if you ask them to heat this up,
Speaker 3: they ain't gonna heat.
Speaker 1: It up for you. They're gonna be like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, are They're gonna charge you price of
Speaker 1: what they costs heat it up, and you're gonna lose
Speaker 1: what you paid for. Right, Because I used to drink
Speaker 1: Japanese whiskey, right and jamming Yamazaki eighteen, ordered Yamazaki eighteen,
Speaker 1: and you order it with the ice, they won't give
Speaker 1: it to you, right, They were like no, right, Like
Speaker 1: you go to wiki with ice, right, You're not that,
Speaker 1: You're not that, not that. So maybe you put one
Speaker 1: drop of water in it though, just so some some people,
Speaker 1: the ice is only to open up, the open up,
Speaker 1: the open up the flavor of it, right, whiskey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but most of you ever you ever went to a
Speaker 1: whiskey convention? No, yo, dude, anybody want to a tasting
Speaker 1: where they taught us that everybody at the convention they
Speaker 1: have an eye dropper, okay, and they go they just
Speaker 1: put one drop of water first and then because it
Speaker 1: opens it up. Remember this nake has been distilled and
Speaker 1: it's inside of a bow. So a little bit of
Speaker 1: hydrogen oxygen looses those atoms up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So that's why you get the big solid rock that
Speaker 1: don't melt.
Speaker 3: That's the reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, all right, could the drink
Speaker 1: just good? All right? I do a curve w after
Speaker 1: after what Ready to die?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: Buck Wilder diamond D in which way, we don't know
Speaker 3: what you are.
Speaker 1: So I don't know those brothers right personally, I spect them,
Speaker 1: but I can't say I know them, man. But I
Speaker 1: would say that diamond D once again just offers so
Speaker 1: much to the culture. He he he bought in another
Speaker 1: chamber that that was that was needed, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: are they both in the the I T I believe
Speaker 1: both the I T C. But it's like and and
Speaker 1: and it's just the when Diamond had like he's like
Speaker 1: the gristle on the chicken.
Speaker 3: Another rapper producer had, the ROMs.
Speaker 1: Had the flow. It's like, it's like, what's the other dudes,
Speaker 1: we don't talk about enough. We don't talk about foul
Speaker 1: monk or not nose piece we go up, yeah, we
Speaker 1: go piece, We wait and but yeah, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go diamond d on that and let them fight that out. Okay,
Speaker 1: wrapping up that just just in just in the chambers,
Speaker 1: like like like the full the full package. Would you
Speaker 1: like better wrapper or produce it me? Yeah? Yeah, oh
Speaker 1: what you mean? I mean?
Speaker 3: This is this is question that's both both. I'm not bullshing.
Speaker 3: This gets better as you go. Way you stand up,
Speaker 3: and they don't try to take a beat, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Once you stand up, I know it's
Speaker 3: a different life.
Speaker 1: You check this out, right, So a lot of people
Speaker 1: know me for my beats, and a lot of the
Speaker 1: look a lot of the industry, you know, it was
Speaker 1: it was inspired by my beats. You a ready, right,
Speaker 1: and all phrases do that. Im able to add inspiration
Speaker 1: to anything. But they overlooked me as an MC. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But and it's my lyrics. If
Speaker 1: they were to pay more attention to my lyrics, the
Speaker 1: kids would be better, But the kids wouldn't be on
Speaker 1: the route there on. I don't write for myself, yo.
Speaker 1: I write scriptures so that you could hear the chill
Speaker 1: with the feedback. We don't need that, right, ten o'clock,
Speaker 1: where's your see that right? See that right? Because women
Speaker 1: run around chasing shit? But where's your kids at? Baby
Speaker 1: feeling Matt Hostel wearing at all postile? That was a
Speaker 1: style back then, flowing like Christ. When I speak to God,
Speaker 1: I'm bringing gospel, bro, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it's like my mission was to instill inspiration like I
Speaker 1: wanted to be. I'm lyrically, I'm serious. So you go
Speaker 1: back and listen to my lyrics, bro, and take time.
Speaker 1: Fusion of the five elements to search for the higher intelligence.
Speaker 1: Women walk around cellar and live in irrelevant the most
Speaker 1: benelevant king communicate through your dreams. Mental pictures have been painted,
Speaker 1: but the law is heard, is scene everywhere, and you're
Speaker 1: surrounding the atmosphere, thermisphere, stratusphere, trappisphere. Can you imagine from
Speaker 1: one single idea everything appeared here? So understanding will make
Speaker 1: the truth crystal clear. We got innocent black immigrants locked
Speaker 1: in housing tenements eighty five dependent where phair recipients. My
Speaker 1: neighborhood has been stamped like a concentration camp. For at nighttime,
Speaker 1: I would walk through my throat. I was bright as
Speaker 1: a street lamp. Electric proles right, electric proves, robotic strolls,
Speaker 1: taking telescopic pictures of the globe. Babies being born now
Speaker 1: with Michael Chip stuff inside their earlobes, examinated vaccinated lies,
Speaker 1: fabricated food, and drug administration testing poison in prison population.
Speaker 1: My occupation is to stop the inauguration of Satan. They
Speaker 1: thought it was Ronald Reagan. That's why I come to
Speaker 1: slave men like Bartholomeo, because every particle of some physical
Speaker 1: articles is diabolicals down to the last molecule. But anyway,
Speaker 1: but anyway, it's like I was doing that because shot that.
Speaker 5: You do the work.
Speaker 1: Anyway, you said, producing m C And yes, that's why
Speaker 1: I said both. I love the way, yeah, okay, by nature?
Speaker 1: Which way you're that's going to probably be now And
Speaker 1: I'm getting clown im drinking and keep saying which way,
Speaker 1: but I can't help but say which way good? No problems,
Speaker 1: is my man? Man?
Speaker 4: I think it's under I don't say underrated, but I
Speaker 4: think he deserves to be higher.
Speaker 3: And everybody's top list of them CS.
Speaker 1: Like Sticky as well. Yeah, yes as well. Yes, they
Speaker 1: both inspired culture flows and identity for a lot of rapplets.
Speaker 1: A lot of their stuff is embedded in a lot
Speaker 1: of em c's like it's like it's their sheet cold
Speaker 1: that they won't admit, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: But for me, think you Treaches is both a special
Speaker 1: because I would say both okay, and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 3: You think that show.
Speaker 1: Wait till you get up both they both like New
Speaker 1: York is such a special place and shout out New
Speaker 1: Jersey as well, and Philadelphia and Long but New York
Speaker 1: long asters that's us were together. Somebody trying to say
Speaker 1: Buffalo wasn't New York. Buffalo is New York, New York.
Speaker 1: You're not going for that, veron all, that's New York, bro.
Speaker 1: But for Trench and and any and them, Mamud Tommy boy.
Speaker 1: That's right. I was tom Boy too, and we wasn't
Speaker 1: nobody made it yet, so they sending us out together
Speaker 1: to the radio with which came in at my name.
Speaker 3: That's right, Okay, like this they make it though.
Speaker 1: I remember going to see him after Apollo, after they
Speaker 1: made it, and I ain't seen him like my five
Speaker 1: six months. You know, I'm still trying this ship. But
Speaker 1: you know it's my mass you know, they oh shit,
Speaker 1: let me, he's my brother. Trech is like that type
Speaker 1: of guy. He's a special guy. He's just he's one
Speaker 1: of the once again another special entity. But but I
Speaker 1: seen them. He came off stage sweat, he took his
Speaker 1: shirt up, muscles everything, It's like bunk bunk ship And
Speaker 1: I was like, oh ship, my my dude. We were
Speaker 1: still a limo together like this falling out, like just
Speaker 1: going to the radio, just doing freestyles, hoping, and now
Speaker 1: he he was platinum. Yo, bitch is going crazy. You
Speaker 1: know my song is about business. They're not going crazy,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But but but still the
Speaker 1: brotherhood was like that, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: when WU were opened our first store, this that and
Speaker 1: the other. Right, yeah, okay, he came through basically basically
Speaker 1: almost bought it out. Wow, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: that's how much. But then you go about the Sticky,
Speaker 1: it's like Sticky and Onyx and fucking Frasro. That's my
Speaker 1: those are my party homies. Were the dudes in the
Speaker 1: party before nobody's on. We're the real dudes in the party,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like whatever, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, if it's a vic, if it's something
Speaker 1: going down, we were the real meat, dirty, sticky me Frasro.
Speaker 1: If you if you was in the party, in the
Speaker 1: street party, those are the real motherfuckers. That how they
Speaker 1: got in, we don't know. Is it dangerous now in
Speaker 1: this party a little more dangerous, yes, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So sticky in them all they was like
Speaker 1: when they got on too, it was like I was like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, all the real niggas is getting on now,
Speaker 1: like some of the real people that wasn't just like
Speaker 1: uh just kind of like the streets was getting in.
Speaker 1: Specs as an example of the streets getting in. Sticky
Speaker 1: is an example of the streets getting and who is
Speaker 1: the entire community straight up? Though? Anyway, love what you got.
Speaker 3: Karas one on rock him in your way, I say,
Speaker 3: which way?
Speaker 1: Wow, Jamie, Look, that's that's that's even though it sounds hard, right,
Speaker 1: rock him, Okay, right, they both gave us so much,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And caras One, you know his type of dude.
Speaker 1: Nobody ever wanted to get on after caras won. You
Speaker 1: never did a show. He's with caras One. You better
Speaker 1: go first. And he gave a speech in between and
Speaker 1: ship and everyone shuts up and listens. Yo, he did
Speaker 1: one show. Yo. He dropped back to back bangers. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about ten, twelve, thirteen, back to back bangers and
Speaker 1: then like, okay, that was the mic check didn't wait
Speaker 1: into the ship. That's something. There's how many bangers he got, right,
Speaker 1: because he made albums that was full of bangs listen til.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: So in that capacity you're gonna not find really not
Speaker 1: nobody that could do that. But when you when you
Speaker 1: mentioned it to me, my mom went to the argument
Speaker 1: of those mcs who was the best and what rock
Speaker 1: Kilm wrote in his two albums.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, and that didn't curse exactly
Speaker 3: for most part.
Speaker 1: Of the most part what he wrote, bro, no MC
Speaker 1: of that generation compete compared to that. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. They could try and argue it if you want.
Speaker 1: But if you go, what did you say when the
Speaker 1: Earth gets further and further? He said? Follow me? Right,
Speaker 1: so you thought you was first, Well, let's travel at
Speaker 1: a magnificent speed around the universe. You thought you was first,
Speaker 1: will follow me, and let's travel at a magnificent speed
Speaker 1: around the universe. And what would you say when the
Speaker 1: Earth gets further and further away, and the planet seems
Speaker 1: small like balls of clay, and you straight into the
Speaker 1: milky way, wells out of sight as far as your
Speaker 1: eye can see, not even a saddle lighte. But then
Speaker 1: suddenly you see a star. You better follow it because
Speaker 1: it's the all from the to triple darkness, and then
Speaker 1: appeared for you. So his lyrical content and abilities were
Speaker 1: just now incredible. So even caras One gave us a
Speaker 1: lot of things, you know, like what's beef right? Or
Speaker 1: even when he talked about you know, your diet. The
Speaker 1: teacher Jimmy my philosophy is Jimmy great great great, But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the concentration she what makes her dope.
Speaker 1: Em See, this is the way you could could taking
Speaker 1: the throat in the garbage. Some mcs are a container
Speaker 1: of juice. You ever get that good apple juice, like
Speaker 1: that whole fucking Martelli's apple juice. That ship is good, good,
Speaker 1: it is good. But some MC's it's the concentrated apple juice.
Speaker 1: You gotta add water to this, nigga, my chemist, dad,
Speaker 1: you gotta add water, all right, Okay, I be asking that. Okay,
Speaker 1: now this one I already because I bet, I bet
Speaker 1: you will be on time. And I lost that bet.
Speaker 1: But I bet on this this question too. Hold on,
Speaker 1: that's a good guy. But no, I bet on you.
Speaker 1: I was on time.
Speaker 3: We thought as much as we were talking, you were definitely.
Speaker 10: We were here two hours early just to make sure
Speaker 10: because we knew he was gonna be on time.
Speaker 1: I bet on you. We do this with every artist
Speaker 1: like we bet right, and I got to afford thirty
Speaker 1: sucked up.
Speaker 3: We only say because we told everybody he's gonna be
Speaker 3: on time.
Speaker 1: But but but hold on, but I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lead the witness. Analog or digital bought me digital
Speaker 1: that well, if you'd have asked me a few years ago,
Speaker 1: I would have I would have chose this time I
Speaker 1: got to say both, I love again. I thought you,
Speaker 1: I know, if you had some years ago reason why
Speaker 1: I would have said digital a few years But first
Speaker 1: of all, digital is where we're at. But you can
Speaker 1: still use this. There's things that you can still use analog.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you about while I saying analog, bro,
Speaker 1: because now we're in the AI world.
Speaker 3: It's a whole different world now.
Speaker 1: So now that we're in the AI world, you're gonna
Speaker 1: wish somebody just played the guitar for you. You're gonna
Speaker 1: wish at the resonance of that. You wanna want to
Speaker 1: wish that the that real physical sound is real. Watch
Speaker 1: when you get a porter, a porter shorty. When the
Speaker 1: Porter Shorty is the robot. Yeah, Watch when you get
Speaker 1: a porter shorty short Yeah. I hope, we hope. We
Speaker 1: don't need them. We got wives for some dudes. People
Speaker 1: gonna get Porter Shorty. It's gonna, it's gonna it's gonna
Speaker 1: lyric about it. The Porter. Yeah, the Porter, the Porter Shorty.
Speaker 1: Right when you do it, she's gonna click her eyes
Speaker 1: and record it for you and then hit it and
Speaker 1: then she's gonna play it back. I don't even know
Speaker 1: what the I don't know. That's the play. When you
Speaker 1: got your robot shorty recording you. She's gonna film that
Speaker 1: you're doing. She's gonna be filming you as you're doing it.
Speaker 1: But you want her to film, You want her to listen.
Speaker 1: Bro's having it on his own. He gotta take his data.
Speaker 3: It needs data.
Speaker 4: I see just a sign note. I've seen this billionaire
Speaker 4: on It was something I saw online. But he said,
Speaker 4: you know, the future of investing. He wants to invest
Speaker 4: in sports because AI is going to take over everything,
Speaker 4: and everything's gonna be so digital that the physical people
Speaker 4: that actually do sports is gonna be a commodity running man.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So he's investing all his money. This is a
Speaker 4: guy that invested in tech supposedly, now he's gonna invest
Speaker 4: in sports. He's going analogue. He's going analog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he's doing.
Speaker 3: So he said, both okay, okay, I like, hold on,
Speaker 3: I got interrupt you.
Speaker 1: I like that listen. You know, is he taking all
Speaker 1: these shots? You hitting these dudes going back to back
Speaker 1: on the Bone Show? Yeah, okay, okay, oh no, this
Speaker 1: is all no, no, no, no, it's a good thing.
Speaker 1: I'm a little I'm press he got the low let
Speaker 1: me see that. Yes, yeah, I'm smoking later, Yeah, okay
Speaker 1: for yoll how much time? You know we kind of
Speaker 1: the hour, right, Yeah, I'm happy. Listen. Let me just
Speaker 1: want to make it all the way through. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: let me just tell you something. Bro, I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1: If we've done it's part of the show. Yes, but listen,
Speaker 1: but let me just tell you something. And you know,
Speaker 1: we've had other people on this show, we had other legends,
Speaker 1: but we have never had the abbot on this show.
Speaker 1: And you know what, I am so happy, I'm so
Speaker 1: honored and we he asked me if.
Speaker 3: But what I'm trying to say is, man, this is
Speaker 3: this is a blessing.
Speaker 1: Man. So in case I ain't saying earlier or we
Speaker 1: didn't say it earlier, I just want to say to
Speaker 1: you and your beautiful wife, thank you. Man. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying because I know I know you ain't
Speaker 1: you know, you know at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: like you know, I you know, I live this life,
Speaker 1: so I understand, like and our culture, what we were
Speaker 1: trying to do is, you know, so many people say
Speaker 1: that if you have ten years in this game, like
Speaker 1: you washed up and so many other and so many
Speaker 1: other coaches. I've never even heard that word be spoke
Speaker 1: of washed up or your time is up?
Speaker 3: Like what the fuck is that?
Speaker 1: Does that mean?
Speaker 3: Other than boxing and sports and like that? But what
Speaker 3: other genre of music?
Speaker 1: These motherfuckers Martley Crewe and them niggas, they tore fucking
Speaker 1: them niggas nine hundred, Like I just saw the Grateful
Speaker 1: Dad in Vegas two weeks ago. I don't even know
Speaker 1: those people are still lying. I love them. I think, Bob,
Speaker 1: Where's eighty two? And they're still killing it, killing it,
Speaker 1: beautiful show. So why they can't hip hop? Why why
Speaker 1: we can't grow with that? Why we can't? And you
Speaker 1: know what's crazy about I'm sorry to make it all
Speaker 1: make sense, but let me make it, make it, make
Speaker 1: it all make sense. That was then illest thing about
Speaker 1: You're watching you and nas, you guys and knaves in
Speaker 1: Paris together was I was looking. I was like, look
Speaker 1: at the audience and the shit was packed, it was
Speaker 1: sold out. But I'm looking, and there was some there
Speaker 1: was there was a lot of youngins in there that
Speaker 1: you thought were with their parents. But then I was paused.
Speaker 1: I was watching their mouths and they knew the words,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh no, their parents.
Speaker 3: I rememberated like, you.
Speaker 1: Know, at first, at first sight you're looking You're like,
Speaker 1: all right, cool, but then you look at you like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute. These are good parents. These are parents
Speaker 1: who who let their kids listen to the right music.
Speaker 1: And the kids were actually it's like Bob Marley. It
Speaker 1: just it's so beautiful. It's so beautiful. So it's know,
Speaker 1: it's so crazy. One thing I did see and hip
Speaker 1: hop is a beautiful thing. I was in Australia and
Speaker 1: the day in Australia that bugged me out is that
Speaker 1: the audience was actually forty percent or young. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like it was weird a little bit too.
Speaker 1: I had to I had to like lecture them. I
Speaker 1: got back to the hotel. It was like twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: year old as a hold on seal, girls listen due
Speaker 1: this we did not this is but it's not a
Speaker 1: boy band, it's he's a grown man. You guys, go home,
Speaker 1: this is weird, take a picture and go home. I
Speaker 1: how to tell people, get them home. I had to
Speaker 1: get girls out of vans right. But but the point
Speaker 1: I'm making is that the attraction of our culture. The
Speaker 1: attraction of the music is timeless, and that's what it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be. That's beautiful. It's beautiful. And what we
Speaker 1: got to do and hopefully if we can right is
Speaker 1: not be shy or brave enough to circulate back around
Speaker 1: the globe and touch the people. Because the thing that
Speaker 1: happened is it ain't It won't be because the guys
Speaker 1: said ten year a wash up. The guy who accepts
Speaker 1: that makes his self wash up. He won't come outside,
Speaker 1: he won't show up because he don't you know, he
Speaker 1: hasn't preserved hisself. He don't feel the chi you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? There was recently. So if you do say,
Speaker 1: they don't wan, they don't want to do videos no
Speaker 1: more because because of the physical appearances like nah nah yo, gee, listen,
Speaker 1: you're still appreciated. You remember least you know least grass Peiri.
Speaker 1: He might know what that is, yo. You see Lee
Speaker 1: Scrass Prairie Yo. He was he I went to a
Speaker 1: Jamaican festival. Oh his roster ship, that's why he knows.
Speaker 1: He looked like a prophet, right, he was super super
Speaker 1: great out just you know what you wanted to see him.
Speaker 1: You wanted to touch that. He was like, yo, hold on,
Speaker 1: I want to that that's real, but you know so
Speaker 1: so just saying that that the culture will continue to
Speaker 1: attract younger generations. The industry itself thought they could write
Speaker 1: it off, but they thought it was a fat It's
Speaker 1: not a fadest fifty years. It's fifty years old, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's international, and it's international. It's going to continue.
Speaker 4: And one thing I've said on this show a bunch
Speaker 4: of times is it's the number. It should be considered
Speaker 4: that it is the number one cultural export of the
Speaker 4: United States to the world, and we are not really
Speaker 4: taking advantage of that.
Speaker 3: The culture didn't take advantage of it, right, We didn't.
Speaker 4: And what happens is each region now is saying, all right, well,
Speaker 4: because I've traveled and they in the hip hop heads
Speaker 4: in these countries and said, you guys lost your way
Speaker 4: hip hop wise, you guys are corporate and you lost it.
Speaker 4: So they're creating their own vibe within themselves, which which
Speaker 4: is just good. Yeah, but we should pay attention and
Speaker 4: keep in touch because it.
Speaker 1: Got from here, right, well, they will come back here too.
Speaker 1: There's the artist called I did an album with an artist.
Speaker 1: Her name is a witch out of Okinawa and she
Speaker 1: kind of Yeah, Okinawa, Japan got a song featuring asaf Berg.
Speaker 1: Who else joined it?
Speaker 3: That's where mister Miyagi from Yeah yeah, hold.
Speaker 1: On one of the biggest the home of Saki Yo Okinawa. Right,
Speaker 1: check this out, love, they got a saki Okay, check
Speaker 1: this out. So they had a snake that was killing
Speaker 1: all the people. Oh ship they put the snake in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: snake was poisonous, killing all the people. They went and
Speaker 1: captured them, all the snakes and they put them in
Speaker 1: in saki bottles and you drank it. They fermented the
Speaker 1: snake and it's an apple dsiac. I believe that. Let's
Speaker 1: be drinking and you'd be like, yo, what up? Anyway? Okinawa? Okay?
Speaker 1: This this we at We got.
Speaker 3: Full time slime, Primo a p rock. Now you skipped
Speaker 3: a million.
Speaker 1: I know that's why you're gonna do it. No, No,
Speaker 1: we can added this, we can we can go back,
Speaker 1: we go back. Yeah, you add all this, but Primo
Speaker 1: Pete rock in which in the producer way, that's the
Speaker 1: deep even though Peple Rock do rhyme too, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's deep rock rock. That's that's deep. That's a deep one.
Speaker 1: I gotta say both. I'm in this takes really better.
Speaker 1: It's getting better.
Speaker 5: Is different?
Speaker 3: Is it a different one? I'm saying, is it like,
Speaker 3: what's the mixture of this?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So so this one here is also. I like
Speaker 1: this one the best. It's still a jumi, but so
Speaker 1: not to go there. This this particular brand makes about
Speaker 1: five levels of saki, all premeal. She's getting more, She's
Speaker 1: moving more and more.
Speaker 3: She didn't even know that, did you know that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's moving up and off. Is that the left bottle?
Speaker 1: We got the ceramic? No, we don't get the ceramic.
Speaker 1: It's the only one we could. No, No, there's a ceramic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's that's we have it. Yeah, yeah, we move
Speaker 1: it up the ladder. Okay, okay, let's go.
Speaker 3: Start passing people, I think.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let me let me speak of those who brothers.
Speaker 1: You're gonna chop you up anyway. So whatever.
Speaker 3: So p Rock, you know, he pioneered so much for
Speaker 3: us and hip hop.
Speaker 1: Always.
Speaker 3: You know, I love his horn chops was very interesting.
Speaker 1: It was he was an m C. He rock and
Speaker 1: see all smooth, crazy, his his his his his ideas,
Speaker 1: you know, and then Premiere.
Speaker 3: Premiere actually created a formula.
Speaker 1: Premiere made a formula that works every time MS if
Speaker 1: you pay attention to that. A lot of producers wasn't
Speaker 1: able to do that. He created his own formula. You
Speaker 1: check Pete Rock, you check Residue, check dras. None of
Speaker 1: us don't have a concise formula. I'm trying to figure
Speaker 1: out where you're going with.
Speaker 4: This, Like he's consistent in his formulas. What you're saying
Speaker 4: his formala his fault. Yeah, you don't mean a sound,
Speaker 4: not a sound.
Speaker 1: I mean it is kind of. It's not a sound
Speaker 1: because this sound was inspired by all his sound changes as.
Speaker 4: We change, right, Okay, okay, but physic it's drum pattern
Speaker 4: is his formal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what you mean. Okay,
Speaker 1: his formala.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're saying it's a chop like he has a form.
Speaker 1: He has a formula that you know it is a Premiere.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, it's a signature sound for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but not just the sound. Bro if he don't
Speaker 1: scratch in the hook, but you can still know it's
Speaker 1: for me, No, it ain't Premire. You're not going to
Speaker 1: find his joint.
Speaker 3: Without a scratching it that he doesn't incorporate his DJ,
Speaker 3: his his his his his.
Speaker 1: He also keeps I think he keeps one of his
Speaker 1: old machines still right, he keeps keeps his old equipment
Speaker 1: and he uses that in his formula show every time
Speaker 1: you played one of his tracks, right, you know, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what you could tell it's Premiere right, right, right,
Speaker 1: But Pete Rock. You got to Michael old p Rock
Speaker 1: did that? You can tell him that. No, Okay, did
Speaker 1: you know Pete Rock when he did? Okay, wait, who
Speaker 1: did Above the Clouds? That was that's Premier's people. All
Speaker 1: the way they did was the one when it was
Speaker 1: with the racing ship, Start your engines? Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: Pete Rock.
Speaker 3: Right, But wasn't you on that?
Speaker 1: I want to make it is that Pete Rock, Pete
Speaker 1: Rock digging. I'm alright, let me say this has made
Speaker 1: a formula. Pete Rock is a master. But similar to
Speaker 1: me in a way. We've we've played in multiple chambers,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 10: What I mean?
Speaker 1: So so Cuban Link, even though it's Riza, it's nothing
Speaker 1: like Old Dirty's album. If you really look at it,
Speaker 1: the sonic quality could be similar, But Dirty album is
Speaker 1: full of bass. Tubman links its strings. It's totally a
Speaker 1: different chamber. Liquid Spars is totally different from crazy. Every
Speaker 1: time he says the noises, I know exactly.
Speaker 3: Where who are you compare yourself more to it.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, no, I'm not comparing.
Speaker 3: I'm not comparing.
Speaker 1: You know, I said both because they both are pillars.
Speaker 1: But I want to I want to say, identify the difference.
Speaker 1: It's like nobody's in production quality level matches Doctor Dre
Speaker 1: quality level. If you put on Michael Jackson do and
Speaker 1: you put on Doctor Dre, you don't got to touch
Speaker 1: the knock. Okay, his he made records from the beginning.
Speaker 1: That's at the quality of all the records elanated in history,
Speaker 1: at the highest level. That's ill you put on thirty
Speaker 1: six after Dre. You gotta turn my ship up. You're
Speaker 1: gonna get a different experience though you're gonna hear something
Speaker 1: sit there, what the fuck? What the fuck is that?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I turned it up, but you got to turn it out.
Speaker 1: But you could just right now with with with with premire.
Speaker 1: He's also sonically there because he's pushing the drums up front,
Speaker 1: right he could, but it's still gonna master d right,
Speaker 1: it'll be high. It'd be louder than me, right, similar
Speaker 1: to Pete. But nobody's getting to Dre's va and perfections
Speaker 1: and that that VU though that ship that was moving
Speaker 1: like that, that was on your SSL.
Speaker 3: He mastered that, Yes, d like a scientist, and that
Speaker 3: my ship on the SSL.
Speaker 1: To be honest, it's like this. I pushed it all overay.
Speaker 1: There was like, yo, you can't do that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why not? When you master this, nigga, they wanna go.
Speaker 1: Now your is gonna sound where it's gonna sound. I
Speaker 1: don't get you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: But anyway, so, but but did you do that on purpose?
Speaker 4: For me?
Speaker 1: A lot of my ship I did because that was
Speaker 1: the whole allure of For me. A lot of my
Speaker 1: shid I died was purposely. Let me say one thing
Speaker 1: that that's weird about me, and you could this isn't
Speaker 1: part of your question. So for me, right, if you
Speaker 1: take one of my tracks in the studio and you
Speaker 1: came to the board, if you move the fader down,
Speaker 1: the beat falls apart. It only works because of the
Speaker 1: post of what I'm of the level that I set
Speaker 1: everything at it's only working because of the posts of
Speaker 1: what I'm Controlling'm controlling the pulse. It's not everything is
Speaker 1: not in key, and everything is not in rhythm, But
Speaker 1: what's the dominating pulse? Makes it make sense? Even you
Speaker 1: go to that same knowledge of God song on Ray
Speaker 1: Kuan's album, it doesn't. If you move something, it's like
Speaker 1: you lost it, Bobby, you dropped it. So that happens
Speaker 1: people with the engineers, you fucked up. I'm like, Noah,
Speaker 1: while you do that, well, you fucked up, bro, That's
Speaker 1: not what's happening here. You're thinking of the science of it.
Speaker 1: I'm working off a post. I was working off a posset,
Speaker 1: So a post means I could go like, but if
Speaker 1: I put a drum beat pushing that post, it's gonna
Speaker 1: change it. It's gonna change that to a rhythm. But
Speaker 1: then if I put it what the fuck is that?
Speaker 1: But if I put it low right here and move
Speaker 1: it paying it to the left, it's gonna it's gonna
Speaker 1: make It's like, what the fuck is going on? And
Speaker 1: then when they end sinking on it, you don't even
Speaker 1: hear nothing because now you're trapped in his flow. A
Speaker 1: good A good song like that is what the blood
Speaker 1: clock my method? Man go back and check that. But anyway, right,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on. So the next question,
Speaker 1: only built for Cuba Links or iron Man? Where does
Speaker 1: this go?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 1: Only built for Cuba Links. That was easy, That was easy.
Speaker 1: Only Cuba Links is the foundation of iron Man. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: iron Man is good? Right, but iron Man falls short? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we fall short. But I'm gonna deny it because what
Speaker 1: happened in iron Man is that we have the flood
Speaker 1: in the middle of the album. So after Cuban Links
Speaker 1: Liquid Sports, we start iron Man, and the second flood happens.
Speaker 1: This flood, though it doesn't destroy floppy disc like the
Speaker 1: one that got sucked up. Now and now the equipment
Speaker 1: is fuck. I got a two itch machine in my crip.
Speaker 1: Real flood.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking I'm a sling. I've been through two floods.
Speaker 1: Okay. Once I thought I could have.
Speaker 3: Biblical on.
Speaker 1: The flood wasn't coming from under I moved to It
Speaker 1: came from over. Wow, that's just my own comma that
Speaker 1: I have to fix. I had to get a good woman,
Speaker 1: which I have. Now I have a good woman. Now
Speaker 1: let's take itself for a good So I am man
Speaker 1: was finished and Mystic Studios when you falling mistake you better.
Speaker 1: So we had to leave our own studio and didn't
Speaker 1: go to Mystic. And now seeing my own studio, every
Speaker 1: compressor was already set. When Ghosts came in. He sounded
Speaker 1: like ghosts every time, because I set the settings right.
Speaker 1: Every MC had their own compressor, their own settings. Now
Speaker 1: I'm in a somebody else studio, it ain't the same.
Speaker 1: And when I leave there tomorrow or god comfort, two days,
Speaker 1: he done change it again. Okay, because somebody else uses
Speaker 1: s so liquids foil than Cuban relations, which people considered
Speaker 1: the epitome of my creation. Nothing changed.
Speaker 3: It was consistent.
Speaker 1: It was consistent, and so when you hear them, it
Speaker 1: sounds like him. One thing a lot of put artists
Speaker 1: and producers don't realize is that. And I'll say that
Speaker 1: we all due respect because we're not talking about nobody else,
Speaker 1: of course, But okay, so Snoop goes to no limit.
Speaker 1: That album don't sound like Doctor Dre. You see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So the studio you use, it's just like
Speaker 1: DN was it D M D and D D and
Speaker 1: D D and D Man. Once some dudes didn't go
Speaker 1: there no more.
Speaker 3: And they don't.
Speaker 1: Premiere. He was the one that really made D and
Speaker 1: D sounded. But once once people started going there, they
Speaker 1: all got good. I think, like maybe, but once they
Speaker 1: stopped going there, it's like, oh, there's no D n
Speaker 1: D there. Sometimes the studio itself is part of the
Speaker 1: vibe and so on. So you say accumulations iron Man.
Speaker 1: Iron Man was finished and mystic and to me, we
Speaker 1: we forced our hand on compromised. So anyway that this
Speaker 1: is this is a great as for me as a fan. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that the fans get to hear this, but
Speaker 1: this is me as a fan.
Speaker 3: Capadana, master Killer, this got.
Speaker 1: I don't get that this is this is.
Speaker 3: Sha Shall we talk about them a little bit? Yeah,
Speaker 3: hell yeah, man yo legends. By the way, master Killer
Speaker 3: just dropped the album today and I'm on.
Speaker 1: The Killer. Let me just take you something. I haven't
Speaker 1: ribbed this so long that when when I heard my
Speaker 1: own verse, I was like, how did he get this?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 1: I was like, nor are you going? I heard that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, album was dope because I had. What I did
Speaker 3: was just listen to it.
Speaker 1: As I was getting a haircut, I listened to my
Speaker 1: point obviously, and I mean first because I was I was,
Speaker 1: I was amazed at me. I was like, really still
Speaker 1: got it? So and then the album just kept playing
Speaker 1: and I was just like, damn, bro got some joy
Speaker 1: from it, like like hip hop is still making hip hop.
Speaker 1: It's just we gotta we gotta search for it. Now.
Speaker 1: You gotta search for it. Now you know what we
Speaker 1: could do. We gotta search for it. So we always
Speaker 1: had to search for it, right, you know reality I
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that just took me to sound view projects.
Speaker 1: That's a long ride here.
Speaker 3: Hip hop, you're singing in a different way.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing. Yeah, it's a search.
Speaker 4: It's like going from kin Do. So we used to
Speaker 4: go to Winwood to all the hip hop jams and
Speaker 4: Winwood you know w kN do to to to the
Speaker 4: w Hotel. But I'm telling you, you know, I'm telling
Speaker 4: you from Kendo. We was going to Winwood where Zoolo
Speaker 4: Nation used to throw their parties at.
Speaker 3: I say, I'm trying to tell you the distance.
Speaker 1: Distance I'm not saying like I'm.
Speaker 4: Telling you that's that's the equivalent of us having to
Speaker 4: travel experience, further experience.
Speaker 1: I mean, what kindle when yeah, in the ferry man
Speaker 1: to get to get they could go underserved to get
Speaker 1: to get the sound view from the Staten Island minimum
Speaker 1: two hours two and a half hours minimum minimum. Listen,
Speaker 1: it's the Bronx when the Bronx was like burn down
Speaker 1: Bronx not not just that from there, Yo, you'll see listen, bro.
Speaker 1: People don't understand this life of what hip hop went through.
Speaker 1: Hip Hop went through.
Speaker 8: Topads on the floor, blood, crime, cops, crooked, uh cry fire.
Speaker 1: Hip hop and lived. And now you see somebody in
Speaker 1: Korea you know what I mean exactly. You know, it's
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. What hip hop did is this and
Speaker 1: he am I about to digress a little bit. So,
Speaker 1: so a law is merciful. Let's just know that, right.
Speaker 1: And we all have arm leg leg arm head. So
Speaker 1: don't when you hear alaw, don't get scared. Some people,
Speaker 1: Oh nah, we all have arm leg leg arm had
Speaker 1: that image. But a law is merciful and he finds
Speaker 1: ways to deliver mercy. You know what I mean. Hip
Speaker 1: Hop is a mercy. The Quran was a mercy. They
Speaker 1: said it was a mercy. It says, a law gave
Speaker 1: the Koran to Muhammad as a mercy the man, so
Speaker 1: he could know what's good and what's bad and how
Speaker 1: to navigate through this. And it's a book of not
Speaker 1: just spirituality. It's political, it's business, it science, it's husbandry,
Speaker 1: it's wives, it's inherit. This right hip hop comes to
Speaker 1: our community as a saving force. It first saves us
Speaker 1: in New York, but then it continues to move. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's okay, we saved these guys. Let's save some West
Speaker 1: coast guys. Let's get the terminals first. Okay, Now it's
Speaker 1: get in the middle. Let's go to the south. Now,
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go. Do you hear the new Indian
Speaker 1: m CSI now is out there?
Speaker 3: The Vietnamese MCS.
Speaker 1: Yo, listen I went to When I went to I'm
Speaker 1: one of the first MCS to ever perform in Egypt.
Speaker 1: You will never know that because they don't be They
Speaker 1: didn't record it, they didn't allow it. It was unallowed.
Speaker 1: I took it. Me and Sean Paul, right, what a combination, separate,
Speaker 1: separate times.
Speaker 3: Together.
Speaker 1: But I was just saying it was like it didn't
Speaker 1: exist there. Now it exists, So hip hop has went
Speaker 1: and saved all these families. You go to South Africa
Speaker 1: and you see a brother pull up with a Bentley.
Speaker 1: How you get that? Hip hop not saying that the
Speaker 1: Bentley is the is the thing he should have gotten, right,
Speaker 1: But when you get money, the first thing you do
Speaker 1: is get the luxury to appreciate the money. Mahamad Ali
Speaker 1: said it. They said to Muhammad Ali. They said, Mohammad Ali,
Speaker 1: you talk about the black man and all the power
Speaker 1: he should have, and you're trying to to, you know,
Speaker 1: raise the constuts of your people, and you want them to,
Speaker 1: you know, not be caught up into the white man's world.
Speaker 1: But you, Muhammad, you have a Bentley. How do you
Speaker 1: justify that? He said, no, no, no, I have true Bentley's,
Speaker 1: he said. He said, because my people got to see
Speaker 1: that what I do make something mean something. They see
Speaker 1: a value. They don't want me coming over ripped clothes
Speaker 1: and trying to talk to them. That's that was Jesus job.
Speaker 1: He came over. You know, you know, so Petland, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. The job. The job now was
Speaker 1: to have a magnetism. Hip hop is that magnetism, It's
Speaker 1: that conduit. It's that, yo, and I see so many
Speaker 1: of us blessed by it, you know what I mean
Speaker 1: that we ought to be thankful. I'm gonna take a
Speaker 1: moment right now if you guys don't mind toast the
Speaker 1: hip hop, toast the hip hop. Oh god damn it,
Speaker 1: none onless here would be here without hip hop exactly.
Speaker 1: Absolutely looks. We talked about his voice earlier, right, and
Speaker 1: and and you know we all dance to his fucking joint.
Speaker 1: What what we all know? He threw elbow, He puts
Speaker 1: people out our way when that shit came on, right,
Speaker 1: And that was a voice, but he's hip hop and
Speaker 1: his voice wasn't limited to the music.
Speaker 3: That's what's happening to hip hop for us, Elder Statesman.
Speaker 1: You don't have to just be the music. And I'm
Speaker 1: glad that Massacilor got a new album. And you heard
Speaker 1: your joint and it's called balance. Balance, balance, okay, yes, asked?
Speaker 1: I said, why balance, Samuel, He said, Yo, God, balance
Speaker 1: is always needed, it is. That's that's the beauty of
Speaker 1: hip hop when it's balanced, exactly. And we can agree
Speaker 1: right now it feels unbalanced.
Speaker 3: Unbalanced, but you have all the ship in it.
Speaker 4: The fuckery and the righteousness exactly as long as it's
Speaker 4: balanced exactly.
Speaker 1: Give me the blue and the red pill choice, but
Speaker 1: give me some wisdom behind my choice. And that's what.
Speaker 3: That's what, that's what. That's what I hope that we
Speaker 3: can provide.
Speaker 1: I've been drinking that. You know, those w's kind of
Speaker 1: a little bit there. You drank the more you should
Speaker 1: any I believe you own a w. It's getting better, better, colder,
Speaker 1: it gets the better.
Speaker 3: Yes, but our bodies is not getting better.
Speaker 1: But okay everywhere. But she's like, he's up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Give me another one. You're good. She got. What's your
Speaker 1: next one?
Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm good, you got? You got the ceramics
Speaker 3: for real?
Speaker 4: Yeah, get the surrounded. I want the ceramics business. N
Speaker 4: W A public enemy?
Speaker 1: Wow? No, no, no, no, no no, you just give
Speaker 1: a million relaxed bud.
Speaker 3: You can twist it. You want to twist that one twist.
Speaker 3: Here's my favorite question on this whole show period.
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. I'm not I might as well
Speaker 1: ask him n w A or Wu Tang clan.
Speaker 5: No, we don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I personally don't like you, guys.
Speaker 1: Everybody doesn't like this question because of the different era.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is it's the same impact even
Speaker 1: though it's different errors. Like what what what n w
Speaker 1: A did for for for Los Angeles, California West Coast
Speaker 1: period was changed everything. They made people start wearing curls,
Speaker 1: They made people start wearing bandanas, they made people start,
Speaker 1: you know, krip walking, gang banging. Well, Wu tang, did
Speaker 1: you made black motherfuckers want to be Chinese Japanese?
Speaker 3: You made motherfuckers?
Speaker 1: We're in hold on man, man, it's like you you
Speaker 1: changed the culture like like so to me, the impact,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the errors not when we put this
Speaker 1: question together. And by the way, it's not our question.
Speaker 1: These are these two guys. There's a cocaine section in Colombia.
Speaker 3: Okay, we're in Miami, Miami.
Speaker 1: Would it be like the Colombia.
Speaker 3: Like to ask this question.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite question because the reason why I like
Speaker 1: to ask it is because I'd be wanting people to
Speaker 1: understand I'm not asking the errors or who came before
Speaker 1: who or who influenced too. What I'm saying is the impact.
Speaker 1: But you didn't ask it to start with. It was
Speaker 1: these guys question. But I thought it was genius.
Speaker 4: But my argument, this is my argument why I don't
Speaker 4: like the question, because I feel if those are my
Speaker 4: two fair groups, n w A and Public Enemy, I
Speaker 4: feel like they're the same energy, different sides of the spectrum.
Speaker 4: They actually are the same things, but on the different
Speaker 4: sides of the spectrum. In that era, they provided us
Speaker 4: with the balance. Right, that's what I love about that
Speaker 4: question being then too. But when I think it's Wu
Speaker 4: Tang versus w I think it's off balance.
Speaker 1: And that's sense. I respect that, But let me let
Speaker 1: me just comment and you guys can chop it up
Speaker 1: how you want. Right, So Public Enemy is inspiring in
Speaker 1: w A. N w A is not inspiring Public Enemy. Seriously,
Speaker 1: run DMC is inspiring in w A. N w A
Speaker 1: is not inspiring one DMC. But that's because the New
Speaker 1: York is the mecca of hip hop. So they got
Speaker 1: to fly to New York and find the breakbeasts and
Speaker 1: bring them doctor Cali. They can't find them of those
Speaker 1: in those record stores, right, But where n w A
Speaker 1: brought the hip hop and when they brought to the
Speaker 1: coach is undeniable. And we don't have Kendrick at the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. If n w A don't exist, Okay.
Speaker 4: And maybe if Public Enemy don't exist as well, because
Speaker 4: I feel like there's a lineage there too as well.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna argue that. But n w A gives us
Speaker 1: doctor dre yep, yeah, well yeah, WA gives us ice cube.
Speaker 1: If we don't got ice cube, I don't make movies
Speaker 1: straight up, straight up, right, and they continue to go
Speaker 1: to the brain that goes then we get snooping me
Speaker 1: so so much. Right, So in Public Enemy is is
Speaker 1: the consciousness public Enemy asked? Did that first? They did
Speaker 1: the toy with anthrax before any of us did a
Speaker 1: rock and roll combination besides one DMC. Right, but now
Speaker 1: you throw Wu Tang into the equation, and I don't
Speaker 1: mind speaking on Wu Tang in this equation, right, what
Speaker 1: Wu Tang does is this, right, NWA influence is actually
Speaker 1: the influence of hip hop right now? New York is
Speaker 1: not selling records. Okay, name the top hip hop artists
Speaker 1: in New York at the time. Juice Crew, you got
Speaker 1: no no. By the time you get to ninety two
Speaker 1: ninety three, Jewice Crew can't sell records.
Speaker 4: Big Daddy KMEE record is eighty eight to ninety Well,
Speaker 4: I mean, if you want to take the lineage, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: They but no juice. So we get a platinum Big Biz,
Speaker 1: we get a gold knee, we get a cat, we
Speaker 1: get a gold cane, we gotta we got a platinum
Speaker 1: carreras one. We got a platinum Rock Kim in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Now in the nineties, none of them is selling platinums.
Speaker 1: Travers coming, Leaders is coming, Gang Starts coming, Traver is
Speaker 1: gonna give you gold. Nobody's giving you platinums unless it's poppy.
Speaker 1: What about what aboutation? Damn? Like I said, they come
Speaker 1: and give us a platinum. That's why I said Trench
Speaker 1: and Onyx are a new way of energy that comes
Speaker 1: up exactly okay, And still he gives us a platinum
Speaker 1: within for poppy songs, which wasn't poppy but West Coast
Speaker 1: even to load Young MC. Everybody double platinum, platinum, platinum platinums.
Speaker 1: And so even though Tretch and triv and everybody are
Speaker 1: giving us this beautiful thing black Moon, you go through
Speaker 1: that whole underground movement, you're not cracking three hundred thousand cells.
Speaker 1: Didn't do that. E P M D now is going
Speaker 1: ahead different hold on, but eld on respect the EPM
Speaker 1: No Depth.
Speaker 3: Squad is like my cousins squad. And yeah, those my cousins.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's declining and the and and let
Speaker 1: me say to you, and the investment is different because
Speaker 1: because look, even like Once of Again l L is
Speaker 1: one of the greatest, he's he's he's making to do
Speaker 1: all this. But I was just saying the average investment
Speaker 1: in hip hop, right, Like, let's say, what's your first
Speaker 1: record deal? Look, if you're Penalty records terrible uh economic?
Speaker 1: What was that five thousand dollars? Okay that you know
Speaker 1: that five thousand dollars. Okay, Let's say Wu Tang first album.
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 3: It was sixty thousand, sixty thousand.
Speaker 1: Dollars for everybody for the whole album. Bro, nobody got
Speaker 1: no money. No, that was we lost money on that.
Speaker 1: That's what you understand this for a moment, just to
Speaker 1: get a little culture thing here. Even Method Man's album,
Speaker 1: if you take Method Man's album, his videos and everything,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna spend no more than five hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars he makes. He's gonna bring in twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1: Wutan is gonna bring in twenty million dollars. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: business now. On the East Coast, it's business now, it's
Speaker 1: marketing business. If the Wu Tang doesn't come and sell
Speaker 1: a million records on a budget like that, there's no
Speaker 1: business in hip hop on the East Coast. You're tying
Speaker 1: on the business side, not just in the culture. It
Speaker 1: goes both ways. Because now you got the guy who
Speaker 1: like the dude told me to my face, bro those
Speaker 1: hoodies that will never work. So take the hoodies off. Wow.
Speaker 1: Because if you go to the west beyond Nwa, when
Speaker 1: you get tone and young and all these other dudes, Dusa,
Speaker 1: Dusa are basically prince raquines. It's packaged. They've tried to
Speaker 1: package me. It didn't work. Wu Tank is unpackaged. So
Speaker 1: if I become unpackaged, he could be unpackaged. Everybody coming
Speaker 1: after us could be unpackaged because it's not a package now,
Speaker 1: it's something else happening. So the impact becomes a similar
Speaker 1: the same. Of course, the Asian culture is a whole
Speaker 1: new thing, right, But then no many brothers started running
Speaker 1: to the mosque and studying mathematics. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know how many dudes as the rule movement is happening,
Speaker 1: and the college kids and the blacks and the whites
Speaker 1: and the Spanish are all kind of vibing into this
Speaker 1: new thing. And Hot ninety seven is changing from a
Speaker 1: club radio station to a hip hop radio station and
Speaker 1: the noose number one song on Hot ninety seven Method Man,
Speaker 1: it's changing the chie Now meth comes and you get
Speaker 1: a fucking a hip hop Grammy all I needed. If
Speaker 1: you go back to your hip hop duets, you can't
Speaker 1: name ten of them. That's not just a Grammy winner.
Speaker 1: They sold two million copies bro the single at that time, Yo,
Speaker 1: the single Method Man single at that time was competing
Speaker 1: with We Are the World in single cells. Wow, as
Speaker 1: far as the measurement, as far as the measurement. So
Speaker 1: something different is happening on this side of the world now.
Speaker 1: So now it's like there's money over here. It's been vests.
Speaker 1: So then and then once Cuberlee came in, like Yo,
Speaker 1: everybody started saying the wool Gambinos and now we're taking
Speaker 1: on identities. The identities changed the whole hip hop landscape.
Speaker 1: The identities are still existing. So now and it's a platinum,
Speaker 1: it ain't like a two hundred thousand sellar it's been
Speaker 1: four or five hundred grand and make ten million dollars.
Speaker 1: It's good business. So the impact is the same thing
Speaker 1: that Dre is doing on his side of town. Right,
Speaker 1: He's making star after star after star after star, and
Speaker 1: we're doing it. But the thing that's happening different is differently.
Speaker 1: You know. It's almost that I said. I started this
Speaker 1: by saying, hip hop is a mercy. A law gave
Speaker 1: us a mercy. I started from there. Then you went
Speaker 1: into the two different groups. I'm telling to let you
Speaker 1: know that. Then he said, he said he had Wou
Speaker 1: Tang and n w A. It's like, yo, they both
Speaker 1: had to do a job. They both had to do
Speaker 1: a job. Okay, in the measure of that job. You
Speaker 1: have a guy at the super Bowl. But hold on,
Speaker 1: who's the guy that hired him? Another guy who hired
Speaker 1: him jay Z. Jay Z don't exist if Wotang don't exist.
Speaker 1: But God, and I'm not saying that with an ego.
Speaker 1: I'm saying if we didn't come with cream and slow
Speaker 1: it down and put that culture into it. Because at
Speaker 1: the time he's he's he's he's not makes jay Z exactly.
Speaker 1: And of course the number of respected him because he
Speaker 1: took it, took it, and he took it and multiplied
Speaker 1: it into what he does. But it happens as Jay said,
Speaker 1: Jay don't come. I know Jay is a dirty name
Speaker 1: right now, but no, never than me. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love that brother, a man, love his family. I
Speaker 1: wish his family would have just been a family. But
Speaker 1: life is unpredictable, okay, But he don't exist. If we
Speaker 1: don't exist, right, and if he don't exist, you got
Speaker 1: a whole nother slew a lineage that don't exist. So
Speaker 1: and so you go to Dre and you go to
Speaker 1: the Abbot, you get something special, but you can say thing.
Speaker 1: You go to Chuck d and you go to uh
Speaker 1: recall and Andre and you get something special.
Speaker 4: To me public enemy ice cube, American's most wanted. That's
Speaker 4: a trajectory in its own.
Speaker 1: But something is happening, bro, that when the historians really studied,
Speaker 1: after we all leave here, they're gonna go, holy shit,
Speaker 1: these dudes, meaning all of us, including yourself, bro, as
Speaker 1: you know, these dudes want the new Bible in the Bible, right,
Speaker 1: somebody could google I don't know all the numbers of
Speaker 1: the books in the Bible. Sixty six books or something
Speaker 1: like that. Somebody google that, you know what the Google?
Speaker 1: Motherfucker Google? Who said six? Who talking my right books?
Speaker 1: I remember, mister Lee touch on the computer. I don't
Speaker 1: believe you. I don't know. I beat Google. Google. Yes,
Speaker 1: I was faster than Google, I know it. Right, the
Speaker 1: point being made, I know sixty six books. Right, there's
Speaker 1: a book in there called the Book of Oprah Dyah?
Speaker 1: Is it our first ceramic? Let's talk about this. Hold on, man,
Speaker 1: you poor, Let's talk about that bottle. Yeah, get it
Speaker 1: back for a moment. Okay, I'm I'm sorry to direct.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have you coming, like we already said, direct
Speaker 1: direct cat me. Let me get this spiritual thing about.
Speaker 1: So in the Bible there's sixty six books. You probably
Speaker 1: all know the Book of Genesis. Yeah, you know the
Speaker 1: New Testament, Book of John Mark Luke and all those
Speaker 1: good brothers. You might know. Uh, does anybody know the
Speaker 1: Book of Opah Dyah Opa Lokaa opadya Obadiah. Okay, check
Speaker 1: it out. So I like that because part of the
Speaker 1: Testament is listen, bro. He might he might have three pages.
Speaker 1: It might not be three pages. It's not a book
Speaker 1: at all. It's in the No, it's called the Book
Speaker 1: of Obadiah, but it's a page. You in the book.
Speaker 1: You in the book, and you get a book. But
Speaker 1: he only got some a few bars in there. He's fished,
Speaker 1: but he's in the book. He's in the book. In
Speaker 1: the book, he's six. So when we think about all
Speaker 1: of us, bro, right, were in that book, and some
Speaker 1: of us will be you know, n w A. Well,
Speaker 1: he got forty fifty pages, moving forty fifty pages, somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna have to open die.
Speaker 3: So what I'm saying, but he's gonna be in the book.
Speaker 3: And that's what hip hop is doing.
Speaker 1: Yes, we're making trust me, bro, When you go back
Speaker 1: and bring all these fucking lyrics together and you bring
Speaker 1: all this shit and this, historians gotta study the times
Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty, right, I'm seventy three. I think him
Speaker 1: a seventy three. Yeah, Yah, let's think my mom said
Speaker 1: eighty because I was going with the popularity or the
Speaker 1: first platinum record. But let's say from nineteen seventy three
Speaker 1: to wherever those spaceships find it, the most information they're
Speaker 1: gonna gain it's gonna come from hip hop. Okay, see
Speaker 1: before soul and rock. Was given information because you've been
Speaker 1: listening to Stevie Wonder as as as long as full time,
Speaker 1: like he got some bars, but in hip hop the
Speaker 1: type of information.
Speaker 3: I grew up on the crime side, the New York
Speaker 3: Times side.
Speaker 1: Staying alive was no job's second hand mom's bouncing little man.
Speaker 1: Then we moved a shout the lad a young youth
Speaker 1: rocking to go too only way and I'm begating g off,
Speaker 1: drug Lou, hold it six bars, No, six bars is
Speaker 1: ten years. I started on the crime side, the New
Speaker 1: York Time side. That's already within a frame right. Staying
Speaker 1: alive was no jobs. He had second hand clothing. His
Speaker 1: mother left his father, so now they moved to Staten Island.
Speaker 1: He's a young youth rocking the little gold tooth, had
Speaker 1: a polo goose and the only way he began to
Speaker 1: g off was drug Lou. You know, Washington kid go
Speaker 1: from a married family struggle to a single mother family.
Speaker 1: So now a criminal in this street selling drugs, trying
Speaker 1: to make a living in six lines.
Speaker 3: And that said, so when it's when the spaceship.
Speaker 1: Niggas being robbing the pall metal, Yeah, Paul Metals in
Speaker 1: Brooklyn and Brooklyn for us in Miami.
Speaker 3: We took it to Paul Metal.
Speaker 1: We have a pal Metal, but.
Speaker 3: He said, pushing a big joint from down south.
Speaker 1: That's what we thought. No, no, but pal Metal is
Speaker 1: a spot in Brooklyn and the big joint from down
Speaker 1: It makes sense though, it's like a big joint from
Speaker 1: now south. But the big joint is the car because
Speaker 1: in the old days, New York niggas will go to
Speaker 1: Virginia the bottle whip for less taxes and drive it back.
Speaker 1: So now you got to Ben's nigga, but you get
Speaker 1: if I got it from down southigga, pushing a big
Speaker 1: joint from down south. Now filthy stacked up. Better watch
Speaker 1: your back these things they got it cracked up on
Speaker 1: My man from up north. Now he got a loft,
Speaker 1: you know, came up he was locked up, came home,
Speaker 1: made money and got a loft. I don't, I don't
Speaker 1: went from cream the cannon beat. Ugh, then.
Speaker 5: I don't remix.
Speaker 4: You need to let me ask you real quick, because
Speaker 4: everything you're you're saying in terms of the impacts of
Speaker 4: everything is musically. What about all the elements that are.
Speaker 1: Him saying, Oh, I say you said music, but the
Speaker 1: way you do because you're I'm sorry, Bro, it's every chamber. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm just speaking on the surface. Of course there's lyrics,
Speaker 1: but nah, Bro, how you dress listen.
Speaker 3: Because I think the elements is what makes hip hop
Speaker 3: so special.
Speaker 1: Bro, esn you paid one hundred and fifty dollars for
Speaker 1: a hoodie, Bro two three hundred four hours for a
Speaker 1: hoodie that was banned. They told me that they would
Speaker 1: never get in the industry. My first video we had
Speaker 1: a hoodies. They said, throw the video in the garbage. Okay,
Speaker 1: we the culture. When I speak of the culture of
Speaker 1: hip hop, no, I'm not saying the just the lyrics.
Speaker 1: It's almost like when the colonists came to a country,
Speaker 1: they first send them the priests, and the priests come
Speaker 1: with the word first. From the beginning was the word,
Speaker 1: it says, and then the word becomes flesh. So of
Speaker 1: course the word is what penetrates us first. That's the music.
Speaker 1: But nah, both, I'm talking about the hairstyles, the barber.
Speaker 1: If the hip hop barber don't exist, you don't got
Speaker 1: to cut. Bro. You're looking like leaving the Beaver's so
Speaker 1: many chambers. So I told so and when I say
Speaker 1: vua and I say tang, or you say I said
Speaker 1: you guys said n w a wu tang publicing at me. Uh,
Speaker 1: you gonna keep going outcast Dayla soul. You keep naming
Speaker 1: all these different rock calm nos pivotal groups right right, biggie,
Speaker 1: they are pitting something in this palette that is changing
Speaker 1: the world. You. Your girl is going to tell you
Speaker 1: to go get her a Louis Vaton bag, bro, not
Speaker 1: because of Louis Vaton, because of hip hop, seriously, because
Speaker 1: what hip hop did with Louis Vatan, right, because what
Speaker 1: hip hop did with Gucci, It's like those things, it's
Speaker 1: like we took you know, like one point, we had
Speaker 1: a problem with sampling, right, Sampling tried to cripple us,
Speaker 1: and it did. But that's why you also have this
Speaker 1: whole new wave of just trapped beats and dope beats
Speaker 1: that don't depend upon it, right, you know, to depend
Speaker 1: upon the playing beats. Yeah, And I was just saying
Speaker 1: they got electronic for a moment. I did it with
Speaker 1: Bob me Digital. I did it. I did Bobby Digital
Speaker 1: because they were taking all my ship. Bro. I was like,
Speaker 1: fuck y'all, I hit the button right, you can't appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I'm making somebody go back. When you hear a song
Speaker 1: like after the laughter, there will be tears. It didn't
Speaker 1: sell a million records, bro, but what I say sold
Speaker 1: a million, okay, the real record saying the real record
Speaker 1: way no way like that. But they got that.
Speaker 3: The publishing off of that.
Speaker 1: Of course, of course hip hop re energized. That's bad
Speaker 1: I did. That's what. Yeah, it re energized the value
Speaker 1: I say, the resurrector resurrection shit, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: brought it back. So I just want to still in
Speaker 1: in this punchline with that hip hop has been able
Speaker 1: to do its culture, inspire and create a value for
Speaker 1: the world, whether it's K pop, whether it's the all
Speaker 1: the New, all the new Fastest.
Speaker 11: You arguing with me before, ridiculous, man, Yo, it's hip hop,
Speaker 11: k robs hip hop, K pop is bv D. When
Speaker 11: they was doing on B hip hop.
Speaker 1: If you go back to Bell BIV Devaux and Poison,
Speaker 1: first of all, what they said, what they sampled.
Speaker 3: They always sampled hip hop always, but.
Speaker 1: That Poison sample for us was everything. But g Rapp
Speaker 1: only sold two hundred thousand, three hundred thousand records. At
Speaker 1: that time, they sampled poison. Damn, it's platinum. Most people
Speaker 1: don't even know it's g rapped. But then the career,
Speaker 1: are they doing that too, Are they sampling? What they're
Speaker 1: doing now is sampling the culture? Yeah, okay, so they
Speaker 1: checking out what they supposed to do. But there's a
Speaker 1: producer over there right now. He's American. He over there,
Speaker 1: he cacking the fuck up. It should be. He got it.
Speaker 3: He's over there, like listen, cake up, pay Bobby, he.
Speaker 1: Got he got a hundred beats. Yo, you're going again.
Speaker 3: We're skinny than you.
Speaker 1: Got.
Speaker 3: All right, let me passing back, get it up. It's
Speaker 3: all good.
Speaker 1: It's a good. Hold on, hold on, hold up, all right.
Speaker 1: So well, hold on, I just got breaking news. It
Speaker 1: is at seven o'clock breaking news. Oh wow. Wu Tang
Speaker 1: Clan joints forces with Dave Chappelle to unveil their highly
Speaker 1: anticipated Time Capsule tour of the Time Capsule. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Time Capsule is. Oh man, we got talking about my
Speaker 1: movie I forgot about. Let's go comcast that. Yeah damn okay,
Speaker 1: So what's the time. The time? So you know that
Speaker 1: the Time Capsule is on our tour We'll bring him
Speaker 1: with us a time capsule. And this is the final tour.
Speaker 1: This is the New Chamber Tour. We're breaking this time
Speaker 1: capsule and wherever we go, every city we go, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have somebody from that city put something into that capsule.
Speaker 1: So whether I mean somebody could put this one of
Speaker 1: these and then whatever, somebody will be lucky enough to
Speaker 1: put something in theirs in that time capsule and we're
Speaker 1: going to figure out the end. Are we gonna put
Speaker 1: that time capsule on the top of a mountain. We're
Speaker 1: gonna put it somewhere, but it's gonna be the Woo
Speaker 1: time capsule that captured everything. So what happened heard of this? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just saying it's a new thing, okay. But
Speaker 1: what happened was the tour starts on July sixth and Baltimore.
Speaker 1: But Dave had asked me five years ago. He said, Yo, risk,
Speaker 1: if you get the Wu Tang clan to come to
Speaker 1: Yellow Springs, Ohio, those motherfuckers will go bananas. He has
Speaker 1: a small club and Yellow Springs, Hold, God's been there, okay, Yo.
Speaker 1: The Wo went there exactly, but it was like, we
Speaker 1: don't come, We only coming together now for our tour,
Speaker 1: so officially, off the grid, off the record. The first
Speaker 1: stop of this tour was Yellow Springs, Ohio. Wow. Okay,
Speaker 1: so the tour already started unofficial officially Okay, you said that,
Speaker 1: but no the first show, yes, so you could say
Speaker 1: the first show of the tour, yes, it started okay,
Speaker 1: was in Yellow Springs, Ohio at Dave Seppelle's club. So
Speaker 1: that means he got to do what oh they got
Speaker 1: to do what they have to piss something in the
Speaker 1: time capsule and Dave, I don't know what he put
Speaker 1: in there, but Dave, whatever the Ohio people did, he
Speaker 1: had something that he's putting it too this time capsule.
Speaker 1: So when we get to bought them all there beat
Speaker 1: the second people. They beat them to the punch. So
Speaker 1: you don't know what these people are putting it in
Speaker 1: the time they could put they wonder there I put in.
Speaker 3: First, I'm first, sorry, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: I put in some floppy disc yeah, okay, from the flood, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: from the flood. Yeah. So I had a flood that
Speaker 1: wiped washed away a lot of my beats, and so
Speaker 1: I took a couple of real flood not the slang
Speaker 1: flood Well, okay, all right, So I had had a
Speaker 1: flood that washed away on my floppy disk and I
Speaker 1: still have those floppy disks, but they just don't work
Speaker 1: in the ASR ten no more because they got damaged.
Speaker 1: And so I took a couple of floppy discs and
Speaker 1: I put them in a time capsule as my contribution
Speaker 1: to the future. So that means that this floppy disc
Speaker 1: if people discover this wherever you put the time capsule
Speaker 1: later on in life, yeah, discover this. This might be
Speaker 1: some unreleased Wu Tang songs. Yeah, either either either unreleased
Speaker 1: or is it the original stems of the It may
Speaker 1: be unreleased. Got to be some of the stuff never
Speaker 1: never never happened. I never sampled it. You understand that
Speaker 1: you went to the bathroom, mummy. I'm sorry a lot
Speaker 1: of people, right.
Speaker 3: So they just unveiled him and who taking Dave Chappelle
Speaker 3: that I saw the post.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't see it unveiling. Yeah, So, uh, what they're
Speaker 3: doing is for each stop on the tour, they're gonna
Speaker 3: have a time capsule.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one time capsule probably about you know, like this, right,
Speaker 1: so you don't blame your fucking turntable. Okay, but every
Speaker 1: city we go to, somebody is allowed to put something
Speaker 1: into that time capsule for their city.
Speaker 3: Anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean something reasonable, right, but I know use condos. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm saying yeah, yeah, something something that's moutilated or that
Speaker 1: makes sense that somebody could appreciate. Like like I put
Speaker 1: in two floppy disks from my old beat machine that
Speaker 1: that doesn't work, right, so I put that in there, right,
Speaker 1: So so they put in something from whatever he put in.
Speaker 1: And that was only two things I said. There is
Speaker 1: when I put in with Dave put in. Our first
Speaker 1: stop will be Baltimore, and somebody from that city will
Speaker 1: put something in and every city we go to, hopefully
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, were able to hit
Speaker 1: the world with this and everybody around the world gets
Speaker 1: to pitch something in that box and that box and
Speaker 1: it comes. You got to come to the joint. Is
Speaker 1: you going to Miami? Yes, one day right now, we're
Speaker 1: not schedule schedule that, Yo, bro, we going to Tampa.
Speaker 1: I said, yo, we could be a part of that. Okay,
Speaker 1: so kind of Tampa. But still I was like, how
Speaker 1: are we going to Tampa?
Speaker 3: Miami Miami's always is the worst city for tours.
Speaker 1: No, today we came in. We killed Miami for Miami.
Speaker 3: I'm saying tours in general.
Speaker 1: Ticket Master.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know from back in the days,
Speaker 4: from marketing times that I worked, they've always said.
Speaker 1: That, Okay, because Miami, they don't box.
Speaker 3: Ticket eleven to the club and hang out with.
Speaker 1: It. So let's just plain, let's explain this ceramic. Okay,
Speaker 1: bump bump. All right, So I'm gonna do this like
Speaker 1: a like a public announcement. I respect that. You know,
Speaker 1: you got the rules in the building. Yes, I got
Speaker 1: e f N in the buildings. I got Normy in
Speaker 1: the building.
Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 1: They invited me to drink chips. He invited me like
Speaker 1: for years, years, years, and and it always wanted to
Speaker 1: be come, but it was different circumstances that didn't allow me.
Speaker 1: And it bump bump bump, but this circumstance allowed me. Yes.
Speaker 1: But as I watched this show, he's always drinking. Some niggas,
Speaker 1: I can say, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're good, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Bleak all my niggas. I don't want to say niggas.
Speaker 1: Some niggas, niggas niggas, my niggas, the cocaine section. So
Speaker 1: now so, so I said, I'll come bump bump with you,
Speaker 1: and we here, but I wanted to drink something that's
Speaker 1: more of an upper okay, and so we have sacky.
Speaker 1: We've been drinking socky this whole ship. One three bottle.
Speaker 1: This is the third one bottle? Is this this is
Speaker 1: the third? It is the third? Yeah, it's the third.
Speaker 1: You did one? Yeah? Okay, okay, is this dispressing one?
Speaker 1: Special one?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's dispecial.
Speaker 1: It's not special bottle. Look at this bottle. Look at that?
Speaker 1: Hey what the camera that? Yeah? You want to zoom
Speaker 1: in on that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, zoom in on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I always say cocaine white.
Speaker 5: You got the cocaine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my brother, you don't con sip, but you can't sniff.
Speaker 1: So why this one white?
Speaker 4: A ceramic ceramic y saradic. But what's what's the difference
Speaker 4: with the other bottles. That's the big boy one. I'm
Speaker 4: trying to help the process know what is crazy. The
Speaker 4: other bottle was black, right, right, and then we had
Speaker 4: a blue one, I think, or no, listen, both we.
Speaker 1: Try to represent all the human families.
Speaker 3: Family, the blue for the blue pop up the avatar.
Speaker 3: That's the way, the clear one and they.
Speaker 1: Yellow one right, the other one kind of yellowish. Why
Speaker 1: you're not family out?
Speaker 10: We have to wait what's supposed to We have one
Speaker 10: more left, We have several several see the pretty Yeah,
Speaker 10: so I ain't gonna love this ship got me nice.
Speaker 6: But like like you're not sweepy. This is like shrew
Speaker 6: but you're like but not really something you know what's
Speaker 6: so crazy? We all drank and we d because that's
Speaker 6: what we.
Speaker 1: Do, right. But if you call a drink, honestly, bro,
Speaker 1: you better all drink and shake is.
Speaker 3: A great drink.
Speaker 1: It's a better it's better for the which one's not
Speaker 1: saying that one.
Speaker 3: You're saying that's not.
Speaker 1: What's this one? That's that's the's the aliens. This is
Speaker 1: that's the future we have that we all version because
Speaker 1: that's the big boy. Holds up this is that's a
Speaker 1: big boy listen because it's ceramic. Yah suspense. Also, look
Speaker 1: at that top. Look at the top, bro, That top
Speaker 1: is like that's how you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: that's like a nice right there. She opened it.
Speaker 3: They go like this, let me, I'm glad you asked
Speaker 3: man brother that she was till.
Speaker 1: The dog like that. Okay, anyway, hold on, we're not
Speaker 1: marketing this ship. We're drinking it. But okay, we've been
Speaker 1: through some bottles. This bottle just came out recently. I've
Speaker 1: been drinking this for a couple of years, since we
Speaker 1: was in Paris. Man, they know we drunk this in Paris,
Speaker 1: but I don't. This is Paris. You might have been
Speaker 1: one of these. Okay, yeah, but you told me when
Speaker 1: I saw you and raised wed and he was like, yo,
Speaker 1: you fucked me up with that, so good. I said,
Speaker 1: to suck him up again. And then we decided to
Speaker 1: do when when my time allowed me to be here
Speaker 1: and blessed with and you guys have blessed me to
Speaker 1: let's hit that ceramic. Come on, I was like, we're
Speaker 1: going with Saki. So here goes to Saki, the ceramics,
Speaker 1: the long version. You're gonna have to pull this. This
Speaker 1: is the bump.
Speaker 3: Make sure all our cops are clin called the Bangie.
Speaker 1: Just bunk, no, no, no, listen, it's called heaven sake,
Speaker 1: that for Rammic gotta be called the Bangie. Okay, anybody
Speaker 1: out there who works for that company yes, he's just
Speaker 1: he renamed it. Yes, bankie, yeah, let me take that.
Speaker 1: But real quick, you want to quake, right, we read
Speaker 1: read the word, just just read the world.
Speaker 4: With the name of the brand with his brother Heaven's Sake,
Speaker 4: and he said it, say again, Heaven's Sake.
Speaker 1: He said Heaven's Sake or heaven Saki. Right. So there's
Speaker 1: a song on the Wood Tang album that's called Heaven's Sake.
Speaker 3: Oh heaven sonk No.
Speaker 1: So when I saw this. When I saw it, I
Speaker 1: was like, he's right. Now, you say it wrong, you
Speaker 1: said it right. They're gonna suck that up and it's
Speaker 1: gonna be like your son, what is that ship?
Speaker 3: So all right, if we make it that, I'll be
Speaker 3: excited about this one.
Speaker 1: Because mister Lee couldn't find it at all. But let
Speaker 1: me fine if someone brought somebody brought it to him. Alright, cool.
Speaker 9: Japanese brother, he's on camera. He gleat you want he said,
Speaker 9: I don't know something.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm so crazy about Japanese language. If you
Speaker 1: can't remember Japanese language, the best thing to do is
Speaker 1: to try to take the word and make it an
Speaker 1: English sentence like a he got though, thank you, I mean,
Speaker 1: thank you, right, But how would you flip that? He
Speaker 1: got those? He got those? I don't know how you
Speaker 1: got those from me? I said, you gotta let I
Speaker 1: got those, man, I got those another one he said, uh,
Speaker 1: you you need can eat you are? Okay? How do
Speaker 1: we flip out? Go to a girl? Oh my god? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then you said, no, oh you know what I
Speaker 1: just said. I don't think I all said on the
Speaker 1: mic ahead again, yeah yeah for canichi CANi can hold
Speaker 1: on canchi? Wahni? Can I eat you all? Can I
Speaker 1: eat you?
Speaker 5: Can eat you out?
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, help me remember the words. Sorry,
Speaker 1: not to shign, not up, sorry, not tonight, you know,
Speaker 1: sign not tonight, sign not tonight anyway. No, that's bad.
Speaker 1: Cut that out.
Speaker 3: Take it serious.
Speaker 1: All our first ceramics drinking expensive whiskey. I drink expensive ship.
Speaker 3: And where do we get the ceramics from.
Speaker 1: We're gonna make it to you like this. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you like this smells a little stronger than the
Speaker 1: other one smells sweeter. Actually I smell sweetness, but I
Speaker 1: smell that strongness as well. Let me try, all right,
Speaker 1: tell me what you feel?
Speaker 3: Do you feel the karate kids out of you. I'm
Speaker 3: going second small man, man, it smells stronger.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, that's good. Let me Can I sell
Speaker 1: you a cat around my heart? Right now? That's nice.
Speaker 4: Let's tell the audience something. When we were first talking
Speaker 4: about doing this episode, we go to Ja, wanted to
Speaker 4: go to Japan and we're so.
Speaker 3: Hyped about hold on, can I invite you to Japan?
Speaker 1: Yes? Holoit that said the name this? Yeah, I like
Speaker 1: that he understood. That's you, Jeremy. I know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Can I invite you guys with your parents if you
Speaker 1: ever invite me back to the show. This is your home. Now,
Speaker 1: we gotta go to Japan one, okay, please, let's we're
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna special drinks, yo. We gotta make that happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: please all right, bump bump please. So Drake Champions is
Speaker 1: one of the top and pioneering hip hop podcast of
Speaker 1: it all. When I'm happy that you sparked so many
Speaker 1: other brothers and a lot of brothers are eating well
Speaker 1: because of you. Yes, you know what I mean. May
Speaker 1: you be eating well as the thing? Yes? Yes? And
Speaker 1: now it's a privilege for me to be here in
Speaker 1: the honor. I'm glad I decided to funk with you.
Speaker 1: You know, one thing happened to me too. I can talk,
Speaker 1: so you know, I took my shahada, right, even though
Speaker 1: I got nas herself already. You nas yourself already? Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you have so now the self. In my days,
Speaker 1: they make you fast three days before they gave you
Speaker 1: the lessons lessons of the five cent Yes, yes, usually
Speaker 1: fast three days. Yeah. So so what's the difference from
Speaker 1: taking your shahada because fast and three days and getting
Speaker 1: the lessons, Well, you're talking about the one twenty lesons, yeah,
Speaker 1: one hundred twenty lessons, right. I had a faster three
Speaker 1: days and I got that, but then without did the shahada. Right,
Speaker 1: First of all, my lesson said, the lesson says that
Speaker 1: what is your own self? What is what is your
Speaker 1: own self? And they were speaking primarily to the Latins,
Speaker 1: the Native Americans, and the black men of America who
Speaker 1: kind of was lost from ourselves? Is that where they
Speaker 1: said that the Asiatic black man? Yeah, the Asiatic meeting
Speaker 1: that life itself was more origin in Asia. At one
Speaker 1: point the whole planet was called Asia, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: called Africa. Africa's more of a later name, maybe two
Speaker 1: thousand years old at best, maybe fifteen hundred years old
Speaker 1: before the continents moved. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: just Asia. Just means land, right, right, right, and so
Speaker 1: everything was land before we start paying borders. But it's
Speaker 1: said that our own selves are righteous Muslims, then what
Speaker 1: do that mean? Would you consider yourself righteous? Earfing? Or
Speaker 1: you try to be righteous? You try to be righteous
Speaker 1: and I strive to be righteous, okay. And the word
Speaker 1: Muslim me mousalim, meaning either one from the city or
Speaker 1: from the idea of peace. So basically you could translate
Speaker 1: the word Muslim to a man of peace. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like you're a man of peace? Do you feel
Speaker 1: like you're a man of peace? I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: a man. So one of our strivings is to be
Speaker 1: a righteous man of peace. And because that's one of
Speaker 1: our strivings, right, because that's our physical presence, it's healthy
Speaker 1: for us to acknowledge that. Right. So when I took
Speaker 1: this how to, I took I did knowledge to that
Speaker 1: because my lesson already described who I was. Now, then
Speaker 1: some people some people hit me up there, yo, why
Speaker 1: are you drinking? Bro? You know what I mean? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: And I just said to them, and I want to
Speaker 1: I just say, at the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 1: my straw is my straw, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there'll come a time I won't drink, I
Speaker 1: start smoking, and I'll continue to become as more. It's
Speaker 1: acting more advices as I can, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But as I moved to my entertainment world and dealing
Speaker 1: with these things, I actually don't drink before I go
Speaker 1: on stage before I drunk every time. So everything is
Speaker 1: getting better and better, and that's the goal of it,
Speaker 1: to have a path to get better and better. Now. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm a Shalin disciple, and so Shain was founded or
Speaker 1: brought to the surface by a man named Body Dama.
Speaker 1: And Body Dama, yeah, he drunk wine. And that's why
Speaker 1: you have a drunk Buddha, a laughing Buddha, drunken, sleeping Buddha.
Speaker 1: You got all these different things because these are all
Speaker 1: different expressions of what a man might have to go
Speaker 1: through to find enlightenment. Mm hmm. So our lessons teach
Speaker 1: us that we are by nature we should be righteous,
Speaker 1: and we should be a men of peace. But Bodhi
Speaker 1: Dhama means enlightened righteousness.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Enlighten. So now you could be righteous, but how about
Speaker 1: enlightened righteousness? And so do my Chilentce studies. That's what
Speaker 1: I was strong to be. You look at the ris,
Speaker 1: may you see enlightened righteousness. That's striving for peace. I
Speaker 1: just want to share that with your brothers. All right. Now,
Speaker 1: there's a rumor that to come see you, you gotta
Speaker 1: walk up one hundred steps to come see us. I
Speaker 1: told you that my other studio, my other studio. Did
Speaker 1: you create the other studio? I call the studios temples
Speaker 1: the other studio. Yeah, you have to walk off these stirs.
Speaker 1: When you get up there, you be out of breath. Bro,
Speaker 1: if I should give you one story, you should edit
Speaker 1: about that. But when you walk up the studio steps,
Speaker 1: you get there, you're out of breath. And that's that.
Speaker 1: But but then I've got to be and my wife
Speaker 1: bought another spot and we built the studio there in
Speaker 1: this studio. Now you got to walk down one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty steps. The gag is you could walk down
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty you're not going to say it
Speaker 1: makes you not want to leave. It makes you not
Speaker 1: want to leave. But what quick store you can edit
Speaker 1: the center because we dragging it. Let me know, we
Speaker 1: went out of time. There's no time, okay for you?
Speaker 1: All right? So y'all so so so yeah, So I
Speaker 1: have a studio that's way up. The studio I had
Speaker 1: was built up one hundred and twenty steps. And you know,
Speaker 1: when bus came through, he did the one twenty. Nds
Speaker 1: came through, he did the one twenty. You know, the
Speaker 1: whatever whoever came through did the one twenty right, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you get up the out of breath. I
Speaker 1: did a song with my brother, my hero, my wife's hero,
Speaker 1: Sly from Sly and the Family.
Speaker 3: So Slotstone comes to do a.
Speaker 1: Song on doing this thing called Athos Samurai and I
Speaker 1: want to do a song. I wanted to remake family
Speaker 1: affair and my wife is the big slot famn like baby,
Speaker 1: I think I got. I talked to George Clinton and
Speaker 1: he's going to bring Sly to the studio. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do that song over. It's like cool, all right, so
Speaker 1: now we you know, but Sly is quite adamant if
Speaker 1: you're going to do this session. He needs at least
Speaker 1: half the cheese up front, right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm cool with that. Bam milama, here's half the cheese. Okay.
Speaker 1: He comes to the sessions and it's those steps and
Speaker 1: you know, so he wants the second half, but you
Speaker 1: gotta hit these steps, right, So he so, and he
Speaker 1: has this gentleman with him, this gentleman he had, well
Speaker 1: I can't really describe this gentleman. This gentleman kind of
Speaker 1: like he was bullheaded, but he had like a string
Speaker 1: of here that hung off the side and ship I
Speaker 1: couldn't like a monk. He wasn't a monk though, like
Speaker 1: a month like a monk. Like that's some Veby Bebby
Speaker 1: Bebby unique individual like I don't I don't know what
Speaker 1: that what that was, but remember they.
Speaker 3: Come from an era. They come from the psychedelic.
Speaker 1: He might have been psychedelic. That was a second. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I met him at Slye House and then Slide
Speaker 1: pulls up to him, like I said, the studio and
Speaker 1: Slide has this van that's like his personal van he
Speaker 1: like when he travels this this van has a bad bathroom.
Speaker 1: It's a schoofy doo type van. Good, right, and so
Speaker 1: he's like, yo, I mean, I don't know where He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm in the studio, but I'm waiting for him. But
Speaker 1: he never comes up. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the guy with the one bomb car Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: he shows up. He knocks on the door. He open up, like, hey,
Speaker 1: what's sly At? He's like's on hundred twenty steps. He's
Speaker 1: like brother Rizza. Brother Sly was wondering could he get
Speaker 1: the rest of the advanced before he comes up. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: whatever whatever, you know what I mean, Let's tell about
Speaker 1: the Slide to come on up. We'll do the song
Speaker 1: we got there advancing. It'll be all good. It'll tell
Speaker 1: him come on up. He's like okay, So now he
Speaker 1: has to go back down. He goes down, comes back
Speaker 1: up again. No, Sly, no slop. Brother slaes wonder if
Speaker 1: you can at least give me a portion before he
Speaker 1: comes up. I'm like, I'm smoking too, Like how much?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, I tell Brother Slid,
Speaker 1: do have some cash here? It's just you know, I
Speaker 1: don't really keep cashing you, but I do have some
Speaker 1: cash here. Because you ask Brother Slide like how much
Speaker 1: cash would be cool to get him up here. And
Speaker 1: he goes down again, comes back the It's like out
Speaker 1: of the raft. He told me the number though, fire down,
Speaker 1: you know what I man. I'm like, shit, I don't
Speaker 1: really got fired down. Twenty five hundred cash right right
Speaker 1: right there. I don't know Shapo had it. Somebody had
Speaker 1: it and my guy who there twenty But tell brother
Speaker 1: Slop we got you know, twenty fived. Whatever he goes,
Speaker 1: he comes back with him in full time though, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But the point of the story is that those steps,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Serious? Yeah, it means you coming to work, come to
Speaker 1: get something. He's working, he's working, and brother Slot came
Speaker 1: up sat I had a rolls piano and he sat
Speaker 1: there bro and he played. It's a family, a fan,
Speaker 1: it's something that ship and I don't know. You never
Speaker 1: come to the studio like that. She comes. When she
Speaker 1: comes by, I was like, step everything, Okay, the studio.
Speaker 1: If she comes to the studio, she's coming to flush
Speaker 1: every day down the toilet right right right, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's the old days. I don't gus, I don't smoke
Speaker 1: on drinking. I'm not drink. I don't smoke nothing but
Speaker 1: the old days. You're gonna come to my studio and
Speaker 1: I'll mindset that is with you and you can throw
Speaker 1: it in the garbage or you can keep it. Keep it.
Speaker 1: If you came to my studio, bro, no matter what
Speaker 1: you did, it's in the cabinet.
Speaker 4: I don't do everything you do. Oh you say like
Speaker 4: all the bad habits, No matter what you if you say.
Speaker 1: Yo wiz, all I do is eat monkey, monkey, ship,
Speaker 1: but soapin piss. It's in the I got a job
Speaker 1: for you. If you come to the studio. I got
Speaker 1: you covered, bro. I got dudes that came. They had
Speaker 1: no session. They do that because the studio somethingsion the Hey,
Speaker 1: they walk into a hundred and twenty steps. They walk
Speaker 1: twenty steps. So if she came up at home and
Speaker 1: all that shit is there, all that shit goes in
Speaker 1: the toilet, in the garbage, because that's not healthy for us.
Speaker 1: She always was promoting health for us, consciousness and health
Speaker 1: and ship, so she'd come throw it out. All the
Speaker 1: guys are calling, go yo, shit, what happened? That's my
Speaker 1: wife came up and ship. Don't worry. Twenty four hours,
Speaker 1: I'll be restocked, so brother, but Brother Slide comes up
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yo, let me call downstairs. Having come up,
Speaker 1: and I called downstairs and she came up and watched
Speaker 1: Brother Slide performed this song.
Speaker 4: Yo.
Speaker 1: So you don't have an elevator on the side of
Speaker 1: the steps, well you need a zip line. If you
Speaker 1: like it's crazy, it's deep, it's all elevated there. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: I don't remember how Buster told me the story. How
Speaker 1: did you know that Buster told me that story, because
Speaker 1: when he came up the stairs, he was like, yo.
Speaker 1: He was like, yo, see like you serious about that phone.
Speaker 1: You're so Buster, You're so real white notice temple shit. Lord.
Speaker 3: He was like, it's a one time visit.
Speaker 1: Lord he was. But I had that yellow machine though
Speaker 1: they had mad He was like empty that motherfucker. I
Speaker 1: emptied it for oh shit, this listen. How we doing?
Speaker 1: How we doing that? We great fish? Hold on, I'll
Speaker 1: try this. I got this liquids swars Or returned to
Speaker 1: the thirty six chambers a fifty minute time on them. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: Oh I got to like the movie too. I've been
Speaker 1: been a twenty minute timer. I didn't do the movie.
Speaker 1: We do the movie all right, cool, okay, So liquid
Speaker 1: swars or return to the thirty six chambers in which way?
Speaker 1: Whichever way you I mean, I think that's fair easy one,
Speaker 1: Oh it's hard. Well, well that's what I said. I
Speaker 1: said on which way? They both are two unique things, right.
Speaker 1: But if you want to be like like in the
Speaker 1: hip hop canaan, people gonna say liquids wards. Right. But
Speaker 1: the thing that O d B did and and and
Speaker 1: that this is trying to make my answers shorter. It
Speaker 1: should like you canna put a two minute time on me?
Speaker 1: You're good, right. The thing that od B did, which
Speaker 1: people don't realize od ODIB made the first hip hop
Speaker 1: comedy album. I thought, okay about that, Okay, Okay, I'll
Speaker 1: say Biz is the father. You're right? Okay? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: od b od B modern, he brought it to the tradition. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm his short is almost Richard Priory, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And and and for me creating it with him,
Speaker 1: you know, it was like intentional. One of the best
Speaker 1: beats on the album to me was called going Down
Speaker 1: and that beat was actually for Havoc and Ship would
Speaker 1: have it because Steven, like, could you help produce mob
Speaker 1: Deep album and then I met Havoc before. But but
Speaker 1: then when we met in the office that day, I
Speaker 1: was like, you don't need me, gud, Let's do it yourself,
Speaker 1: like the same thing what you call or told me
Speaker 1: daddy O. I said to him, like, produce all your own. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: that's in bunk bong. He made some of the best
Speaker 1: shiits in history, right, but I still had but I
Speaker 1: promised on one and it was this track called going Down.
Speaker 1: But then, oh, d beasts, I wanted, that's not how
Speaker 1: I got you have you want. But in the middle
Speaker 1: of that track, he's his wisdy. They upstairs cooking fish
Speaker 1: up in the upstairs and they and they and they
Speaker 1: cook and ship and were down the studio. He's like, yo,
Speaker 1: god uh, I want to do something crazy in the middle,
Speaker 1: so what I want my whirs to come down and
Speaker 1: argue with me. I said, that's genius. So I said, Yo,
Speaker 1: come down, Damn you guys gonna get too an argument.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna record this ship And they record an argument.
Speaker 1: But there was a real argument. I mean good enough,
Speaker 1: good enough though, like me and Actlan And then the
Speaker 1: gag was in the middle of that argument, He's gonna
Speaker 1: sing somewhere over the rainbow, and he doesn't. And that's
Speaker 1: in the middle of a song, so so so that
Speaker 1: so no other album can do that, and then and
Speaker 1: the whole can. So ODB brought something to the table
Speaker 1: that's crazily unique and and like he said, it was new,
Speaker 1: a new chamber.
Speaker 3: So how often did he do that? Did he insert
Speaker 3: his vision on the tracks for his.
Speaker 1: I mean know for me and him? Yes, he like
Speaker 1: like like there's times where as the abbot I demand
Speaker 1: what he do, right because I because I would have
Speaker 1: that position, I canna SAYO, you're going to do this?
Speaker 1: They promised that give me five years of saying I
Speaker 1: can say whatever I want to say, right, everybody agreed,
Speaker 1: So it was time I told him do this to
Speaker 1: know this like, this is the track stump. He made
Speaker 1: that track and then gave it to me to finish. Wow,
Speaker 1: I mean, I said, yo, go buy a saw. He
Speaker 1: bought an asol. He only made four beats in his
Speaker 1: whole life because he really wasn't that patient, right, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? But he made that track stump,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I just add the Purans
Speaker 1: and some other shit to it. But that's so. That's that.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: He was very involved with his album. But certain things
Speaker 1: I was like, Nah, you're doing this, you're doing that.
Speaker 1: I need this, or remember that song you did when
Speaker 1: you was a kid. I need this. But when he
Speaker 1: when you hear us say he has one song where
Speaker 1: he does the same, he has two songs on the
Speaker 1: album and they they both got the same verse, the
Speaker 1: exact same verse on two separate songs on the same album.
Speaker 1: It's called damn It. He does the same rhyme on
Speaker 1: three songs. If you really check it, he dos a
Speaker 1: piece of it for another song. What he said, Yo, God,
Speaker 1: trust me. That's all right, I trust you.
Speaker 3: When he did shame on the Nigga, he came in
Speaker 3: so late in the studios.
Speaker 1: I was angry. I said, when you say the fuck
Speaker 1: that God was? They had the bitch with him and ship,
Speaker 1: Yo God, just trying to mic on because it is
Speaker 1: my cousin, and you know if I go at it
Speaker 1: it will be a two hour argument. Then Wenna get
Speaker 1: to work. He's like, let me turn the mic on
Speaker 1: on the who went in there in one take Nigga?
Speaker 1: He did that song wow, same on the Nigga to
Speaker 1: try the one game on a nigga bow. I was like,
Speaker 1: now fit finish the hook. God, nah, nigga, that's finished.
Speaker 1: I said, how you didn't say everything? They gonna love it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I kept it. I believe them. Did you
Speaker 1: really believe them? Though? Yes, okay, I told I believe it.
Speaker 1: I totally believe them. Take a shot of all the
Speaker 1: rest in peace. So let me let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: As a person that knew you for a long time,
Speaker 1: the one time I felt like this is me as
Speaker 1: an outsider looking at I felt the uncomfortable situation was
Speaker 1: when I seen you dirty and Dame dash together right like,
Speaker 1: like I ain't gonna lie like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You saw my uncomfortability like a mother. I saw it
Speaker 1: because you know, I just one. I'm an artist. I'm
Speaker 1: in the industry, and I'm watching this through BT right,
Speaker 1: so I'm not It's not like like it's not no
Speaker 1: inside information. I'm actually watching this with the people. But
Speaker 1: I think that you knew that he didn't belong there,
Speaker 1: or you felt that he didn't belong there. But she
Speaker 1: was respecting your cousin's decision, and he was respecting your
Speaker 1: artists because in this game is frowned upon to keep
Speaker 1: keep somebody right. So you you so you so I
Speaker 1: saw you let him go, but then I saw you
Speaker 1: like work with him, but I saw your hurting this
Speaker 1: in your heart. I don't know if I'm acurate with that, y'all. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm a because like this is me watching on TV,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm like, I'm like that it was bad. Okay.
Speaker 1: The edit made it worse. Okay, Okay, Like in.
Speaker 3: The edit, it just shows me and him in the
Speaker 3: moment with Dame.
Speaker 1: Then it shows me kind of walking out and you
Speaker 1: can see my hurt right in the reality. That ain't
Speaker 1: how it happened, right, And the reality is me and
Speaker 1: him and Dame m and I told a saw yo,
Speaker 1: let me and Dame just talk for a minute. Let
Speaker 1: me let's go ahead. Because he had made the deal
Speaker 1: with Dame in the jail, right yeah, okay, aeah, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry this whole other thing. He didn't make the deal
Speaker 1: with day Oh wow. He had someone have power over
Speaker 1: attorney while he was locked up, and they made the deal.
Speaker 1: But as they say, the games to be sol not told, okay,
Speaker 1: but what Dame said to me, and the part they
Speaker 1: edited out. He said something to me that I couldn't deny. Yo.
Speaker 1: He said, Yo, Ris, your family came to me, you
Speaker 1: meaning Dirty family. The family, Yeah, whoever was representing Dirty
Speaker 1: his family, like we saw you saw that pressed. Everybody
Speaker 1: was there his you know, his mom was there, pop whatever,
Speaker 1: he was there. This is when he came home. He came. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't there. I had just talked to Dirty already
Speaker 1: had a deal for him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, when you come up, I had
Speaker 1: a deal on a plan. My deal was like, you
Speaker 1: come home. I built a gym for you. I got
Speaker 1: an apartment in Manhattan, five thousand square feats udio already Okay,
Speaker 1: I would said, Yo, you need a woman. I gotta
Speaker 1: got I got girls. I just send you. I'm serious.
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, I got you, God, just come home,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. My shit was maybe nine
Speaker 1: to fifty. I didn't have the M but I had
Speaker 1: to pay a couple of people, all right, but I
Speaker 1: got you. I basically had the same M in all reality, right,
Speaker 1: And he's like cool. And then I flew to Europe
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks. Last on you know, the
Speaker 1: Wizards to do what he does. And then I found
Speaker 1: out from the press. Wow and so but so anyway,
Speaker 1: so it was sad for me. But when Dame said
Speaker 1: was so real in the world of the reality of life.
Speaker 1: He said, Yo, Chris, nothing loss, it's like to nothing
Speaker 1: to do with you. Your family came to me, oh
Speaker 1: and they take They asked me to ask them what
Speaker 1: they want. They said a million dollars. I said, cool,
Speaker 1: So that difference made the difference, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't argue with that. M hm, I can't argue
Speaker 1: with that, right, So then I just asked a sons
Speaker 1: to what you want to do? He said, yo, god, yeah,
Speaker 1: let me do this. You know man, I was like,
Speaker 1: when you so you see seeing me walking out with
Speaker 1: that soggy, sad face. Because it wasn't about the money
Speaker 1: or nothing. I could have said, okay, how about two million, right,
Speaker 1: but I just felt like right, I just felt like, like,
Speaker 1: like you said, it wasn't it wasn't. It didn't belong there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You don't want to be
Speaker 1: a hater, Yeah, I want to be like I'm stopping progress. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they kind of running the game. They got it. They
Speaker 1: shine and bright who won't wanted to be signed to
Speaker 1: rock Fell especially at that time, even you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: git niggas like, yo, that's that's it. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, It's like, that's what it is. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you again. You could correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: But it wasn't that when I've seen it to you,
Speaker 1: it was you you with the wrong not not the
Speaker 1: wrong people meaning like the wrong people, but you I
Speaker 1: know how to make you sound exactly.
Speaker 3: I know, like that's that's what I was taking.
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, I was like, I never said,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say I want to say. I
Speaker 1: want to say. Disappointment maybe is a word like that
Speaker 1: you were. I was super disappointed. Okay if you saw that,
Speaker 1: you know, they say a camera catch right now whatever,
Speaker 1: the camera catch a nigga as well, they say the
Speaker 1: camera see through your bullshit?
Speaker 3: Right because you had a vision. You had a vision
Speaker 3: for what he was gonna do.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: My vision wasn't only for his music, was for his life, right, right,
Speaker 1: You had a vision. People don't realize this. And I
Speaker 1: always got to throw something on top of things. You
Speaker 1: know me, as you know me, you know me, I'm
Speaker 1: doing on your whole show, But yo gee, how far
Speaker 1: you become from yourself? So let's say a nigga's two
Speaker 1: hundred pounds and now he's four hundred pounds. How much
Speaker 1: other shit other than himself? And he put on hisself?
Speaker 1: That's what a lesson says. How did he do it?
Speaker 1: It made him other than himself? Once you make you once,
Speaker 1: I canna make you other than yourself. I can make
Speaker 1: you suck that crack pipe like a motherfucker. Let's as
Speaker 1: they say, porky is pork is anything that makes you
Speaker 1: other than yourself, not just the exactly to meet exactly.
Speaker 3: Pork is anything exactly. Swine is something that makes you
Speaker 3: other than.
Speaker 1: Yourselther than yourself exactly, so you become you might not
Speaker 1: know you other than yourself? Right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You sitting there, you.
Speaker 3: Don't even realize that, yo gee, you used.
Speaker 1: To be the mac daddy don and you're doing You're
Speaker 1: sitting you done fucked around and and saansing Us left
Speaker 1: with the light of for fucking eight months and now
Speaker 1: he's like the dick drain and muscles ain't working and
Speaker 1: the bitch cut his head. You other than yourself, and
Speaker 1: then you had to go back and pray to a
Speaker 1: law to get that stript back. But then he still
Speaker 1: got to do what dyeing his own iniquity. That's what
Speaker 1: a lesson says in Execus chapter three. It says, you
Speaker 1: can get a warning and you can save, but you
Speaker 1: still have to die your iniquity so other than itself.
Speaker 1: When I when I saw a song come out of
Speaker 1: the system, because a son is first of all, a
Speaker 1: song was flying, and most of the WOO members at first,
Speaker 1: A song almost brought Polo and Ballei the stat Now
Speaker 1: let's talk about it for a quick moment. Okay, A
Speaker 1: song is a nigga coming from Brooklyn, my cousin coming
Speaker 1: in with Bam Lamo Polo all the way down. Nigga
Speaker 1: and niggas are still bill blasts, and bill blasts might
Speaker 1: when Bill Blase I got somebody, okare you gotta get away?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. A song is that guy.
Speaker 1: He was a song unique, He was flying. You know,
Speaker 1: he wasn't an old dirty bast. He became older. I
Speaker 1: gave him that name, and the materialized. I gave him
Speaker 1: that name for a different reason. We're talking about another time.
Speaker 1: But I didn't expect it to overtake him. That's why
Speaker 1: I said the word is powerful. But when he came
Speaker 1: out of the system, he wasn't neither right get out
Speaker 1: of jail. Okay, you know it wasn't wasn't neither none
Speaker 1: of those names. It was something else. And then when
Speaker 1: they then they didn't inurture to find and go back
Speaker 1: and find him. They didn't nurture. I think that's interesting
Speaker 1: what you said earlier. I think you said you had
Speaker 1: an apartment for him, but you said you had the
Speaker 1: gym fall. Yeah, exactly. I knew that he needed that.
Speaker 1: Most people come home from jail in shape shape, but
Speaker 1: that that that the people that come home that gain weight.
Speaker 1: I'm mainly depressed because jail food sucks. So that means
Speaker 1: they had to go to the commissary and eat all
Speaker 1: those dirty snacks, not just that. Yeah, like, do you
Speaker 1: know what I'm sugary snacks? You're right about that. No,
Speaker 1: you're right about because regular commsary I mean regular food
Speaker 1: sucks keep you in shape, though, Yeah, but it will
Speaker 1: keep you in shape, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: it's processed carbs. But if you go into the the
Speaker 1: you know, you know that's all common hydrogs are. That's
Speaker 1: what the oreos are. That's where the twinkies are. That's
Speaker 1: what all that is. So that's but that's that's a
Speaker 1: side of depression. Yeah, there's the side of the depression. Listen,
Speaker 1: A son unique don't belong in a cage. A song
Speaker 1: is one of the A son unique for all our
Speaker 1: listeners out there. Old Dirty was freedom put into a body,
Speaker 1: a large merciful He always sends something for us. If
Speaker 1: Old Dirty didn't exist, and the rest of the wool
Speaker 1: don't understand what freedom means, freedom of expression, Old Dirty
Speaker 1: was freedom itself, and he was. You know, if you've
Speaker 1: seen Old Dirty right now, If Old Dirty was coming back,
Speaker 1: if we were doing this interview right now and Dirty
Speaker 1: walked in, whatever he wanted to do is what is
Speaker 1: going to happen, and we're going to do. Cameras are nothing.
Speaker 1: None of that means nothing. If you had to piss
Speaker 1: and he came in and in this container right here,
Speaker 1: he would have did it and left and it would
Speaker 1: have just been like, that's that's what foppened. God damn,
Speaker 1: it would have been. Yo. He so the time he
Speaker 1: yo yo, he was driving on the on the on
Speaker 1: the Verrizonal Bridge turned this cost sideways, blocked traffic. Nigga,
Speaker 1: mind you he's driving with a forty I'm mighty had
Speaker 1: passed your seat hit in ninety. It's a dangerous ride, bro.
Speaker 1: But now he pulls, stops the whole traffic like a cop.
Speaker 1: Get out and take some piss, gets back in the
Speaker 1: car and drop the Yeah. God. So anyway, like I
Speaker 1: was saying, he was embodying the freedom. Now take a
Speaker 1: guy like that and put him in jail. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: couldn't take it. They said he tried to set himself
Speaker 1: on fire in jail. Shot it. I saw the documentary.
Speaker 1: He said, Oh did he tried to set hrself on
Speaker 1: fire in jail? He couldn't take that. This guy is free.
Speaker 1: So when he comes out, you're seeing let be suppressed energy.
Speaker 1: And then like you said, the hydros and the audios
Speaker 1: more that's now growing around here.
Speaker 3: Muted and muted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now he's now he's not the one man
Speaker 1: on a sawn no more. Right, So anyway, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is crazy. The other day, I's had an argument two
Speaker 1: people out of argument and they were saying, oh, what's alcohol,
Speaker 1: And it was like, man, sugar is ten times worse
Speaker 1: than alcohol, like because sugar sends you in a state
Speaker 1: of depression. You know what I mean, if you're strong enough,
Speaker 1: you could like just kind of like alcohol, alcohol turns
Speaker 1: into sugar. List like you got to drinking water.
Speaker 3: Now he went to the bathroom twice, has been there
Speaker 3: for four hours.
Speaker 1: Don't be listen, guys, question it's drink that I'm drinking.
Speaker 1: I'm drinking drink. So let's speak it that that famous incident,
Speaker 1: that famous that famous incident in the Grammy? Was it
Speaker 1: the Grammys where yeah song says who takes for the children? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like what happened that time y'all didn't written the award? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know the exact thing. I wasn't physically there,
Speaker 1: but he was. He said something that was actually profound.
Speaker 1: I mean, they gave the best hip hop album? Was
Speaker 1: a hip hop or rap? What's the category? Same ship
Speaker 1: to them they gave. They gave it to I think
Speaker 1: Pete Diddy at that time versus w Tan mhmm. It's
Speaker 1: like that don't make sense, right, No disrespect to their
Speaker 1: creativity and what they gained and all their record sells.
Speaker 1: It's almost like, uh, if I was shoot guys, right,
Speaker 1: now thank you no disrespect that he sold the most
Speaker 1: liketords out of all of us. If I told you
Speaker 1: who is the better rapper, Vanilla Ice or NAS, and
Speaker 1: somebody say Vanilla Ice, how you're gonna be And I
Speaker 1: ain't saying, I'm just saying, you know what you're saying,
Speaker 1: Vanila I sold more records than NAS. I get you
Speaker 1: exactly what you're saying. But who has the better album?
Speaker 1: I mean hip hop? Yeah, I mean who has the
Speaker 1: better hip hop's life? Who has the better hip not absolutely? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're hip hop exactly Like so that's what God he
Speaker 1: was saying. It's like, yo, you know, for the Puffy
Speaker 1: is you're speaking for hip hop. Yeah, Puffy is good,
Speaker 1: Puffy's great, Puffy did what he did, but boutang, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, he says for the children,
Speaker 1: meaning he met like, Yo, it's better, right, It's better
Speaker 1: for you who tanks It's a better bet, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And and and do that ship. No,
Speaker 1: that's one thing that's freedom. Think about this. I don't
Speaker 1: know because I wasn't there, but this is imagine a fuss.
Speaker 1: Here's a guy in the audience that's not giving no
Speaker 1: announcement tonight. He's not scheduled for no appearance on the
Speaker 1: stage called O DV. Yeah, but he was dressed like
Speaker 1: it though he is, he's dressed shop he sees. He said,
Speaker 1: I spent three thousand hours on my suit. He said
Speaker 1: it on the mic. We got that. Remember that, here's
Speaker 1: a guy that's not you know, they got a list.
Speaker 1: He ain't scheduled on the list. How the fuck he
Speaker 1: get from his seat through the auditorium to the security
Speaker 1: to the mic to say he walk with Mariah Carey.
Speaker 1: I'm making this up. Okay, even if he did that, Okay,
Speaker 1: how did how how he is up on the stage, Well,
Speaker 1: he's like looking at that look at their qu sheets,
Speaker 1: like this is not in the show program the Kanye
Speaker 1: West been his ship? Yeah, Kanye say ye, Kanye said,
Speaker 1: Kanye did it this way right, Well, Kanye did it
Speaker 1: to tell Swift. Yeah, he did a tailor swim. But
Speaker 1: he walked from his seat right there in the front
Speaker 1: off the steps, right. Dirty had to do some ship
Speaker 1: like but we didn't know that.
Speaker 3: He wasn't even close. No, we'll know where he came
Speaker 3: from Rome.
Speaker 5: He's not even on the other.
Speaker 1: Shots of the camera. If you watched the whole episode
Speaker 1: of the show. You don't even see the shot go
Speaker 1: faster Thange. Listen, he poured some ship off only a
Speaker 1: free man could pull off. He's like fucked everything. Steve
Speaker 1: Rifkott said that he was. He Steve Wigan said that
Speaker 1: he was at his house him and his fire shot
Speaker 1: him up. That god damn. But anyway, because Steve lived
Speaker 1: on fifty Year Street like that town, and he said
Speaker 1: he came to his clip before and after. So that's
Speaker 1: a whole other story that would get from Steve one day.
Speaker 1: He don't drink. But anyway, the freedom of dirty was
Speaker 1: bottled up while he was in jail, and when he
Speaker 1: came out he was not hisself. And when he got
Speaker 1: to RockA Feller, he was not himself. And we never
Speaker 1: got a chance to build the full shedding of everything
Speaker 1: that was upon him, to let the unique a song
Speaker 1: blossom again. But we've been blessed through the through the
Speaker 1: mostary of a law that his son wyd B goes
Speaker 1: on tour with the wool like that. I like that,
Speaker 1: so before all performs all his father love is and
Speaker 1: that's another blessing for our family. I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 1: to you. I forget what because I went to the
Speaker 1: Paras show. I forget what other show. This wasn't on tour.
Speaker 1: This was like just a random who show you two
Speaker 1: wool shows I went to and I sent him on
Speaker 1: stage and I was like, yo, DP, he still got it.
Speaker 1: I was talking to myself like.
Speaker 3: What the I was like, Yo, that's a little bit
Speaker 3: because you you know, like he has is brand, like.
Speaker 1: He has the energy. And I'm meaning, I know it's
Speaker 1: O DB's son, but his he he, he embraces the
Speaker 1: characters so much that I don't call him O DBS son.
Speaker 1: I say, I call him O d B. But me
Speaker 1: saying that, like, I'm like, what a minute, that's that's
Speaker 1: kind of like crazy. So let's make let's take a
Speaker 1: shot for shot n Y d B mm hmm. Was
Speaker 1: about how much we got less we're about. I want
Speaker 1: to take this now.
Speaker 4: Okay, go first, I'm going to you, and I'm going
Speaker 4: after everybody because all right, cook, I don't.
Speaker 1: Need to be uncomfortlated. First off, you have so many movies,
Speaker 1: so many things that you scored, so many but let's
Speaker 1: talk about this. You've got a new new project. Yes, indeed,
Speaker 1: let's let's take a shot for it. First, take a shot. First,
Speaker 1: we're taking a shot to my new film. It's called
Speaker 1: One Spoon of Chocolate one and this is your film,
Speaker 1: my film directed, written, written, directed, directed, produced by my wife.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, you know what I mean? So double bum.
Speaker 5: Double.
Speaker 1: I mean you told me that your wife, she has
Speaker 1: two July way, she'd be here in a second. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, let's talk about that for a quick second.
Speaker 1: You talk about the movie. But the beauty of the
Speaker 1: power of the wisdom or the woman. Right, A lot
Speaker 1: of dudes, especially in our the generation before us, there
Speaker 1: was so many pimps, and that culture was the mindset
Speaker 1: of our people.
Speaker 3: We didn't recognize the value of the woman.
Speaker 1: There's like and there's a sample on Cuban Links where
Speaker 1: the God says, yeah, man, I keep a bitch. When
Speaker 1: I got a bitch, I keep a bit shaking. He said,
Speaker 1: I give her money, and I'm sorry, I'll give a
Speaker 1: clothes jewelry with no money. Because I give a girl money,
Speaker 1: she would lose her mind. Right, So the old school
Speaker 1: mindset was that don't give your woman the money. You
Speaker 1: control the money and let her just have some clothing
Speaker 1: and jury that's foolish, because who take care of your house?
Speaker 1: Who take care of the home. The woman who's gonna
Speaker 1: make sure the kids go to school and and put
Speaker 1: the kids in their proper clothing and their proper equate
Speaker 1: how's she gonna do that? She gotta wait for you
Speaker 1: to write to check, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: the jewel that people forgot is that kings don't build
Speaker 1: castles for kings. A king build a castle for the queen.
Speaker 1: That's right, you know what it is.
Speaker 3: King build.
Speaker 1: He felt that, He said, Yo, we don't build. We
Speaker 1: didn't building for ourselves. We go to war and do
Speaker 1: all the oils of war to bring back home to
Speaker 1: our wisdom. Because knowledge and wisdom bores what understanding understanding
Speaker 1: That means you the knowledge, you're the foundation. But you
Speaker 1: got to put it through the wisdom. The wisdom is
Speaker 1: the woman symbolic to what the womb. If you put
Speaker 1: it through the womb, you'll get a light. You put
Speaker 1: it in your hand. All these kids don't got girls.
Speaker 1: You put it in your hand and nothing gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You need that wisdom to carry that seat of life.
Speaker 1: But that seat of life is not just physical. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's mental. Spiritual, economical, soul, shoot, metaphysical. There we go.
Speaker 1: So I want to just add that to the conversation
Speaker 1: because we wife's head too, right there, bong that wife.
Speaker 3: So let's take a shot to the wives.
Speaker 12: Shot to the wives, ma'am, nor we know already, but
Speaker 12: you know, yeah, yeah he's married to.
Speaker 3: I'm actually yeah married laughing ship.
Speaker 4: It's like, ask you between these guys, You're like, what
Speaker 4: do you mean.
Speaker 1: Which way? Yeah, No, I'm married, I'm married. But you
Speaker 1: agree with us absolutely, Yeah. You guys told me a coach.
Speaker 1: Brothers no one guy, Yo, that's even yo. We still
Speaker 1: we're gonna get your brothers. You thought you so bunk
Speaker 1: bunk so not. It's important though, y'all because our culture, yeah,
Speaker 1: is because we called missogynistic. Yeah, and then our women
Speaker 1: are now rapping harder than us. Girl, she's like yeah,
Speaker 1: she's yeah, they rapping for the deck now. So it's
Speaker 1: getting crazy. But we need to know that as a position.
Speaker 1: That's why it says the sun and the moon having
Speaker 1: attracting power over our planet. When the lesson says that,
Speaker 1: they're saying that the planet is your life or your
Speaker 1: child's life. And the mother and the father both have
Speaker 1: attracting powers and influential powers over that planet. And if
Speaker 1: they grow that planet right, they grow health healthy. But
Speaker 1: if they they don't grow it right, it's going to
Speaker 1: go through rain health. Not on earthquakes, they said, they
Speaker 1: continue every day. The Earth travels at the speet of
Speaker 1: one thousand and thirty seven one thirty miles per hour
Speaker 1: as it's moving around the sun. Right, but yet the
Speaker 1: ideas is drawing up into the Earth's rotation, which is
Speaker 1: called gravitation. When you think about that, though the child
Speaker 1: ideas is took it in by the mother, what happens
Speaker 1: when the father's not there? It ruins the gravitational Pope,
Speaker 1: Now she got to try to explain the mathematics of
Speaker 1: the sun. The moon is there is what to reflect
Speaker 1: the light of the sun, not to be the light
Speaker 1: of the son. We grew a part of single parent
Speaker 1: where our mothers had to be the man and the woman.
Speaker 1: She had to be the knowledge and wisdom. And she
Speaker 1: can't do that like she did the best she can
Speaker 1: and thanks to us or thanks, I'll say thanks in
Speaker 1: my life we canna say thanks to the mathematics that
Speaker 1: the father. That's why we called the father the father.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, he became a father to brothers who didn't
Speaker 1: have a father. He gave him that knowledge. Because that's
Speaker 1: not to start calling on the father. I didn't know that. No,
Speaker 1: they called her the father because he was the father
Speaker 1: of that idea. Ok So the father of an idea,
Speaker 1: father means one who furthers or father. That's why I said,
Speaker 1: he took you father, he took you father. And also
Speaker 1: in the first the opening of the Quran, what's the
Speaker 1: first chapter of the Koran? Anybody the father to her
Speaker 1: the far the beginning of the father. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: where you get this father from. But still he furthered
Speaker 1: our education. So he became the father of us. But
Speaker 1: also even that's a spiritual but even the mental and
Speaker 1: the physical thing. He becomes your father because you don't
Speaker 1: got your father there. And tell you the basic science
Speaker 1: that knowledge means to know, to look, to listen, to observe,
Speaker 1: and to respect. Now you may know something but you
Speaker 1: ain't listen. Listening is not observing. Observing and seeing it's
Speaker 1: two different things. You could see it, but you didn't
Speaker 1: observe it. And you can do all those things and
Speaker 1: not respect it. And you're going to have a problem
Speaker 1: if you don't complete every action of knowledge, and then
Speaker 1: that leads to our wisdom. So these type of things,
Speaker 1: these type of things are important. We're going back to
Speaker 1: our wives. They're the wisdom. So that knowledge goes through
Speaker 1: the wisdom, the wisdom. It's not just a wise dome,
Speaker 1: because you have to have a wise dome. Dome means
Speaker 1: what domain. You got to have something wise and where
Speaker 1: you domain at. Your domain must have wise and wisdom
Speaker 1: in it or it ain't gone. But if you have
Speaker 1: that knowledge and you get to that wisdom, wisdom they
Speaker 1: say also the accumulation of experience, those experiences you put
Speaker 1: in your woman. Even when a man makes love to
Speaker 1: his woman, he's putting his accumulated experience into it. That
Speaker 1: spung cell that travels inside your woman before it made
Speaker 1: your child. You got children's, yeah, children, the spung cell.
Speaker 1: The scientists have already looked at it.
Speaker 4: It has.
Speaker 1: One molecule of air. So this molecule of air, now
Speaker 1: what is the soun surprised of hydrants in the head, right,
Speaker 1: So you have a molecule of air that comprises all
Speaker 1: these gases of air, and that air I said in
Speaker 1: one of my lyrics. But I'll just give you some
Speaker 1: of them. Hydrogen and helium, xenon, freeon are gone. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, carbon, you know what I mean, oxygen.
Speaker 1: These are all it's mainly eight main gases. I put
Speaker 1: it in the lyrics so so brothers could study that.
Speaker 1: They don't listen to me, they won't hit my beats.
Speaker 1: But I put it in there so we can know
Speaker 1: that now, this, this, this, this organic life is carrying
Speaker 1: a molecule of that to a cloud of blood that
Speaker 1: your woman has thirty days of her life eating, smoking,
Speaker 1: drinking or better not eat smoking, whatever she's doing her
Speaker 1: thirty days of her life, she's accumulating all that energy
Speaker 1: and it went down to this egg waiting in the
Speaker 1: cloud of blood. And then you, when you're having sex
Speaker 1: with your woman, you take that sexual energy all that
Speaker 1: is coming in when you feel that first that that's
Speaker 1: what I'm not making this up. When you come, when
Speaker 1: you feel that firstphor you you feel it here first, bro,
Speaker 1: when you when you come came, we agree. Man. When
Speaker 1: you have an orgasm, when you feel it that first
Speaker 1: here before it goes here, it triggers in your mind first,
Speaker 1: It's like, damn, that's euphoria. Okay, euphoria Okay, I respect
Speaker 1: that I was saying. So now it went from a
Speaker 1: gas to a liquid, and the travels is a liquid.
Speaker 1: Now the spum cell knows where it goes. M it's
Speaker 1: not like where the going.
Speaker 3: He's headed to a direct.
Speaker 1: Destination upstream like a salmon. Don't want the barby said salmon.
Speaker 1: Saying salmon like a salmon, I said, right, I did
Speaker 1: a stea. It travels, It travels upstream knowing where it's
Speaker 1: going bro to reach the egg. And when it gets there,
Speaker 1: you notice not to get too deep on it, but
Speaker 1: you can cut it out. You want to cut it
Speaker 1: when it gets to anything. Whatever you do to do,
Speaker 1: whether you do that something to you when it gets
Speaker 1: to the egg. Right, only when the first get there
Speaker 1: about nice for themselves?
Speaker 4: Make it.
Speaker 1: One guy's leading though, he's like, I can do it.
Speaker 1: He gets there right? Who say boat? Yeah? Who save boat?
Speaker 1: Hit the boat of lighting in there? When he goes in?
Speaker 1: What do the other a sponge shells do? They give up?
Speaker 1: Non cipher, They surround the informal corona help him out.
Speaker 1: They formed the eight points of the sun brother, and
Speaker 1: they stop anything else from entering he's in there, ball,
Speaker 1: he's in a He's like, yo, you always that getting
Speaker 1: busy kids. So so say that. So the sperm cell
Speaker 1: nose where to go. But even more deeper that we
Speaker 1: don't pay attention to the ex cell knows where to wait.
Speaker 1: It's not like it's waiting over here, nigga. It's like
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for you right here, this strong motherfucker that
Speaker 1: could bring me those chromosomes. I'm waiting for it. Right
Speaker 1: behind your head. Right now, I see two X chromosomes.
Speaker 1: Look at that. No, no, right right behind, right behind
Speaker 1: you know it X so so so in the in
Speaker 1: the body, the female body, there's this two X chromosomes.
Speaker 1: I'm speaking of the major way, not going through all
Speaker 1: the different twenty but majorly it's two xs and and
Speaker 1: the man though he has an X and a Y.
Speaker 1: The X in mathematics is the twenty fourth letter, and
Speaker 1: it's known. It's the symbol for what is unknown. This
Speaker 1: is why we have to use X as a multiplication.
Speaker 1: So when this spun is going Muslims, they would say,
Speaker 1: Malcolm X is because he didn't know his last name.
Speaker 1: His last name was the slave man. Right, Okay, you
Speaker 1: get this point Okay, so you get that x though,
Speaker 1: and it's also a multiplication, So when that spum hits
Speaker 1: that egg, it's gonna be a multiplication. The chances of
Speaker 1: it being a man is three to one because you
Speaker 1: have her have two x.
Speaker 3: Three to one.
Speaker 1: So that's why people are celebrating a man. Yeah, chances likely, No,
Speaker 1: it's not likely. It's three the one chance you're gonna
Speaker 1: get a man. Wow, I didn't know. One chance you
Speaker 1: can get a woman. Nos. Three chances for one for
Speaker 1: a woman, one chance for a man, which is natural
Speaker 1: because you need in order for population to multiply, you
Speaker 1: need women. If you get a guy, you get a
Speaker 1: bunch of guys. Stop playing, Stop playing, bast let's not
Speaker 1: playing basketball.
Speaker 4: In a lot of and a lot of people, like
Speaker 4: a lot of different cultures, they celebrate the man because
Speaker 4: obviously that's not the norm.
Speaker 1: Right because the man is what we call the life giver, right,
Speaker 1: But the woman is the life receiver. She receives that life,
Speaker 1: She receives all your bullshit bro good and bad, and
Speaker 1: she takes that to that spun And when that spungsor
Speaker 1: hits that excel, it delivers all your data and information
Speaker 1: of you. It also delivers what you was thinking. But
Speaker 1: within it, like I was trying to say, there's a
Speaker 1: molecule of air and that's the one spark of energy.
Speaker 1: That spark of energy is gonna now of course everything
Speaker 1: because it's organic and and organic is happening. And when
Speaker 1: its as a bomb, it's like a bomb. It's the
Speaker 1: big bang. Uh. Scientists called it the Big Bang theory.
Speaker 1: But in this form it is the same. No, I
Speaker 1: believe it. Yeah, the Big Bank theory happens there because
Speaker 1: once that sponsor hits that and it starts multiplying how
Speaker 1: many cells does a human body? Starts producing trillions? How
Speaker 1: many stars we have? Exactly? So a law is the greatest.
Speaker 1: A law started with the thought of it. Put that thought,
Speaker 1: that energy and that organic atom and inorganic matter sent
Speaker 1: that through and bring forth this new life. Now we
Speaker 1: started this by saying the woman and being the queen,
Speaker 1: and why we build our castles is because yo, gee,
Speaker 1: that's the That's why the brothers call it the Earth right,
Speaker 1: and the lessons say the planet Earth is the home
Speaker 1: of Islam. Says take that for a second, or you've
Speaker 1: met that lesson before. Brothers okay said, the planet Earth
Speaker 1: is the home of Islam. Islam is the avag word
Speaker 1: that means what anybody but the Islam peace exactly. The
Speaker 1: earth is the home of peace. Were not in peace
Speaker 1: on Earth because all the other planets are not the
Speaker 1: home of peace the other planets. You gotta send a
Speaker 1: spaceship to Mars to get a sample of dirt, the
Speaker 1: hope you find an organic life. You might find a
Speaker 1: little molecule or some shit like bang bung here a nigga,
Speaker 1: I could call on a piece of bread, throw it
Speaker 1: in the closet and the whole tree ll grow out
Speaker 1: of it. Nigga, this is the home of Islam. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go too deep on that. But anyway, but
Speaker 1: your woman is considered your earth because through her all
Speaker 1: possibilities are there. So we don't fight war or work
Speaker 1: every day or do everything for our own We do
Speaker 1: it as a king to build a castle for our queen,
Speaker 1: so we could give birth to a prince. I call
Speaker 1: all my sons and my nephews, my nephews over there
Speaker 1: right now listening if if if he answered the phone
Speaker 1: right now, Young divine you over there, can you year
Speaker 1: me if I call you on the phone, what do
Speaker 1: I say to you first, what I call you peace, prince.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna know he's a prince, yo, his father is
Speaker 1: a king. I'll do the same to my sons, and
Speaker 1: I'll do the same to your sons, because this journey
Speaker 1: is only made of kings and queens. Took a shots
Speaker 1: the kings and queens to the kings and queens, bomb
Speaker 1: bomb to the kings, all right, talking about loyalty or respect,
Speaker 1: and then we want to get into your movies and
Speaker 1: loyalty of respect, loyalty, loyalty, No, sorry about that.
Speaker 3: We cut that edit that pull the liquor, yea, lordy
Speaker 3: of respect both. We're going back down it. Then we're
Speaker 3: gonna bro.
Speaker 1: This is an this one is uh yeah, we're going down.
Speaker 1: We need to go down. We're gonna la.
Speaker 3: That's a ramic ship. Ain't say nothing, but that ship
Speaker 3: is mad strong.
Speaker 4: I think I'm a little envious.
Speaker 1: So we went.
Speaker 3: We went and bought some though, right we feel like
Speaker 3: I feel like they had three shots.
Speaker 1: That I should have had six. Yeah, we bought, we
Speaker 1: bought more. I need something to sir. We're going to
Speaker 1: the beach for that you're doing. They call me child, Well,
Speaker 1: I like that why I picked lordy and respect because
Speaker 1: you know, first of all, if you got lord he
Speaker 1: and no respect, where the fuck you at you? Like
Speaker 1: I'm down with you some but I don't like you.
Speaker 1: Like I'm fucking with you, my nigga, but I can't
Speaker 1: wait to fucking step over you. Lord.
Speaker 3: Respect is a nigga that loyal to you but can't
Speaker 3: wait to.
Speaker 1: Take your position. Lord, have respectus. He's loyal and he
Speaker 1: respect your position. But expect what I lost you. I
Speaker 1: respect you. I respect you by a nigga. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: Let these niggas kill you. This is the best is
Speaker 1: the best answer. Let's be real, though, Let's be real.
Speaker 1: You need both of those. We need both. We need
Speaker 1: both of those.
Speaker 3: So so now let's let's let's talk about this.
Speaker 1: This movie.
Speaker 4: I want to get before the movies here because this
Speaker 4: we're gonna I know, I want to rap. I can't
Speaker 4: hear with something, bro, let me tell you something.
Speaker 3: Listen to this. I know I already said this is you.
Speaker 3: This is the first Wu Tang show in Miami.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's the flyer. Take a look at that
Speaker 1: show that that was like twitter back then. He passed
Speaker 1: it to me. This is the ancient Twitter. Look at this.
Speaker 1: Listen to me, agent Twitter, it is it is. It
Speaker 1: is ancient, ancient, ancient.
Speaker 3: To me personally, as ap Pad, this is full circle
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: That's a blessing to be a fan. You were there.
Speaker 1: I was absolutely asking. Yeah, I wanted to have a fly.
Speaker 1: I was in there, bro, But look at look at
Speaker 1: the list. Okay, it's Wu Tang Clan right. Exclusive performance.
Speaker 1: It says Miami Hip Hop ninety four. Right, Mother Superior, Yep.
Speaker 1: I see that. I get the Mother Superior. What's that
Speaker 1: that's above her? Below? Now she's there somewhere, Mother Superior
Speaker 1: very well. Anyway, it says in association with all right.
Speaker 1: It starts off with I ain't gonna be the whole ship,
Speaker 1: all right, but anyway, Miami Hip Hop nineteen ninety four
Speaker 1: Part one, Exclusive performance of Wu Tank, Exclusive performance of
Speaker 1: Wu Tang Clan, also performing live Dimmy D. You know
Speaker 1: Dimmi D. He knows and you don't know, no kid,
Speaker 1: Fucky Black snows Yep in the Nation in the hoods.
Speaker 1: That's Dope, Mother Superior Superior x x x E S
Speaker 1: Wait wait the first x.
Speaker 3: Yes, solid waste, Solid waste, that's Paul right.
Speaker 1: And more.
Speaker 4: Remember and read the venue the venue fat by DJ
Speaker 4: Chris shout out, that's DJ Classic now.
Speaker 1: Misspect Wednesday, February ninth, nineteen ninety four at the spaces
Speaker 1: Maha templelf A Mahi Temple or the twelve year that's crazy,
Speaker 1: you know, so beautiful? Though? Is that?
Speaker 3: Do you guys remember that at all? Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: All? I remember coming up? Damn, I'm drying, hey, but
Speaker 1: I started making that. Yeah, certain syllables. Just leave your
Speaker 1: mouth for your drinking. The awe and the W are
Speaker 1: very challenging.
Speaker 3: But I remember comeing to Miami. But don't ruin my
Speaker 3: flyer please, I'm sorry, guys.
Speaker 1: Just a gift, No, not at all. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: what you got? What else you got it?
Speaker 4: I gotta'll give me one more, one more. I bought
Speaker 4: this tape. That's the first WHU Tank record I bought.
Speaker 4: And then I and then my brother Paul Dreams Tan Sports.
Speaker 1: I said, now that's new, kid.
Speaker 3: Now that's new. He gave me this as a gift recently, man,
Speaker 3: thank you, brother and grave. I bought that myself as well.
Speaker 3: And this this is the time that older the bastard
Speaker 3: turned over.
Speaker 1: You was here. Of course I was there. You know
Speaker 1: the story, what I know the story? They called me,
Speaker 1: they called me after listen, wait what look at this? Okay,
Speaker 1: you want that story, get this, tell us the story.
Speaker 1: But how are you gonna call me fen the whole time? That?
Speaker 1: Hold on?
Speaker 4: Hold on?
Speaker 1: So now, black black dudes always short.
Speaker 3: Anybody do you know that once the black guy.
Speaker 1: Get to know you short after four hours, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, now it tells us. I don't
Speaker 1: know what you talking about.
Speaker 3: This was an incredible What is this?
Speaker 1: If it.
Speaker 4: Was this that, it's not really it's actually not really
Speaker 4: on the fly, Yeah, Kelly was there, if I remember right,
Speaker 4: this is the woman are bastard turned the speakers.
Speaker 1: Into the table. Yeah yeah, he threw them over. Yeah okay, okay, look.
Speaker 4: Look even if it's not this this story, I was
Speaker 4: there for that one as well. Even if it's not
Speaker 4: this flyer.
Speaker 1: He the story, okay, e f N, I would because
Speaker 1: I was like, it was flowing. Let me let me
Speaker 1: take him moment, let me take this, Let me take
Speaker 1: you saying I'm good. Take them on, Broy, Listen, I
Speaker 1: love watching you. Let me just give you some shot.
Speaker 1: We've been giving the guards so shot hit the Michael,
Speaker 1: but it put the put the light on him. I
Speaker 1: really appreciate you, yo, your your poise, your reaction, your knowledge,
Speaker 1: your experience with hip hop culture and everybody that every
Speaker 1: guest that you make them feel like like you're like
Speaker 1: like it's almost like your your timing and your punchlines.
Speaker 1: Whether it's editing or not, we don't edit. Really, it's good, bro,
Speaker 1: And I know you know argument. I had to look
Speaker 1: at my eyes. You see him and I saw that.
Speaker 1: But but you know what, I love it. We punt that,
Speaker 1: we punt that. I won't comment on that.
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I'm right with that.
Speaker 1: That's one of the movies. Now. Yeah know, let me
Speaker 1: let me, let me let me go to the story
Speaker 1: and talk about the o dB story. You can talk
Speaker 1: about it. No, I was there. I was there. I
Speaker 1: know that I wanted. I was want to say on
Speaker 1: the microphone so people see me and my wife is
Speaker 1: like nigga flag. But I appreciate you, bro, thank you.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you extremely for what you started in when you
Speaker 1: started in the culture and be both TV don't exist
Speaker 1: no more without you, yes us yeah, yeah, but listen
Speaker 1: to ob sty your chamber adds a lot to this
Speaker 1: bo let me know that. Okay, okay, and I might
Speaker 1: five and I might no, no, brand, it's going fast
Speaker 1: forward time, he said, you wind got fast forward? Hold on,
Speaker 1: who's this guy? Who's that right there? Look at you?
Speaker 1: I know that guy. That's what that's my man right there,
Speaker 1: that's you might get to know he's the boy. That's
Speaker 1: that's the rock. Now he's want to see why you
Speaker 1: want to even you're still living on? Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1: That's when I was bleaching, you know what, don't lead?
Speaker 1: Why I go?
Speaker 4: Why I go?
Speaker 3: Let's take a shower. Want to ask questions? Why is
Speaker 3: it green and black?
Speaker 1: Like the monster? This this version of the rough draft.
Speaker 1: These are the real let's get one together. It has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the monster, but everything watch the
Speaker 1: green and black both Wait what what everything is? Nigga?
Speaker 1: The niggas took shipping the can. Look at the cat
Speaker 1: this monster that is not I know, shot my niggaho.
Speaker 3: We're praying which folks, Who's who had the first promotion?
Speaker 1: Monster? Yeah? Together, I was like, no, we got a
Speaker 1: great idea for your brother.
Speaker 3: I got a great idea. What we're gonna do is
Speaker 3: green and no hold on, no disrespect for my brother.
Speaker 1: Know who He's gonna get mad at me, and I
Speaker 1: gotta left my waist and get my strength up. I've
Speaker 1: been drinking, so I might have to face this. When
Speaker 1: I face it, I'm gonna say it it. I'm going
Speaker 1: you ready, Yeah, I would love to see ghost face
Speaker 1: on that box. Those faces, those faces are we want yo,
Speaker 1: Let's get ghodst face on the box. Yeah. Respect, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: big back, Tony Be. I don't know my kung food
Speaker 1: so you know that, but I can see your face
Speaker 1: on the box and it's a great person, a great partner.
Speaker 3: I've seen ray Quan the other day. His ship like
Speaker 3: he had the se girl is big?
Speaker 1: Did we wind? No? What's the plan is that? Brother?
Speaker 1: And I was so you think Rake Walker give you
Speaker 1: his face? I think I think way you go? So Ray,
Speaker 1: I bet you on the spot, go so ray for me?
Speaker 3: You say we want if you say, goes Ray Kwan
Speaker 3: for the be wine box.
Speaker 4: M hmm.
Speaker 1: Makes one more time and that's it. We never did
Speaker 1: we talk about no no, so about the movie. You
Speaker 1: don't take the picture an yea. The story of the story.
Speaker 1: Look now you're good. Now you're doing the story with
Speaker 1: the story was O d B. No, we did the story.
Speaker 1: I didn't say it.
Speaker 3: No you'll need it, don't need it. We need all
Speaker 3: the story.
Speaker 13: Yeah yeah, you didn't say sorry, so we need that story.
Speaker 13: That's anyway. So so so method Man and Red Man's performing.
Speaker 13: It's in Miami, so we and my man. No, that's
Speaker 13: Princess Club. You did all Yeah. Now, who's controlling the
Speaker 13: whole party that night?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm a fan Death Jam is controlling the whole party.
Speaker 1: But is it this one? I don't know Jam talking
Speaker 1: about its Depth Jam's party. Okay, yeah, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: so method Man Red Man is signed to Depth Jam Campleton,
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember that, like its signed the Depth Jam.
Speaker 3: I remember that came to the film disrespected.
Speaker 1: Yeah, boy came with okay, but old b is not
Speaker 1: Yo came death Cham. Okay, So now, because because you're
Speaker 1: gonna make you all enough was mad? Meth don't get
Speaker 1: mad a lot by what we do, but he was
Speaker 1: a little mad about this because he really felt like
Speaker 1: it was a little bit, a little bit beyond the boundaries.
Speaker 3: What was beyond the boundaries?
Speaker 1: Okay? If listen, Odie B. Is known for destroying your show.
Speaker 1: If you if you talked the Quest Love and them
Speaker 1: right now, they'd be like, oh yeah, remember that night
Speaker 1: Odi B came. Yeah, he took over the show, ended it,
Speaker 1: party was over. You go to Flavor Public and I
Speaker 1: mean anybody. Old B is known for coming. He's yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not part of the bill.
Speaker 3: He's a strange shows, he said, and she's a show destroyed.
Speaker 1: One night he brought me towards shows and destroyed. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's like, yo, God call me, meet me. I met him.
Speaker 1: He was like, Yo, let's go fuck these niggas up.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know, it's like, I'm old with him.
Speaker 1: I'm with him. I'm with him. We go up and
Speaker 1: we destroyed the show. He's like this, he said, this
Speaker 1: sh ain't real enough. You know me, Kielly. One night, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fighting over the remember that. Yes, yes he did it.
Speaker 1: Old B would come to your ship and in Miami
Speaker 1: he got jumped. Listen you know that, right, listen, hold
Speaker 1: on after if it ain't what he wants, he's gonna
Speaker 1: if he don't feel it, he's gonna suck it up.
Speaker 1: That night, Meth and Red was doing this ship Cableton
Speaker 1: was next because I got oldie story and I got
Speaker 1: myth story Meth, and they did with methic on who
Speaker 1: was to not MEPhI Red Man but O d B.
Speaker 1: I guess he wanted to be part of it that
Speaker 1: night and it was Meth because he can't be he
Speaker 1: can't do it in the world. It's like, but he
Speaker 1: felt like, I guess me. I don't know what Meth
Speaker 1: did to him. Meph was like he tried to like
Speaker 1: telling them, Chelse said. Odib was kind of little zoned out,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was a little bit
Speaker 1: on e, a little bit past the level, but he
Speaker 1: wanted to get on there. I was like, nah, don't
Speaker 1: let the god on. The guard is not and they
Speaker 1: didn't let him on, and they did that ship but whatever,
Speaker 1: they leave his fucking state and they let odi be
Speaker 1: ond like these niggas haven't let me on, and they
Speaker 1: came with his next that ship. All this shit is weak.
Speaker 1: And he went on and he got see I mean
Speaker 1: before the show ended. Though. He did this because they
Speaker 1: won't let him on, they said before they show. He
Speaker 1: went on stage and he turned the turntables off over No,
Speaker 1: he brought the fingers down. Bro hold on. First, he
Speaker 1: started with the turntables. He turned the DJ set over,
Speaker 1: start pulling down speakers, was saying like, yo, fuck this show.
Speaker 1: Who tangs the best? Was yo? He came to this.
Speaker 1: Everybody's like he look, he didn't even on the bills,
Speaker 1: Like like we look at the bill, his name is
Speaker 1: not there. He says, happen to be in Miami. Nothing.
Speaker 1: Man's brother is happy to be performing, and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh ship, I'm gonna sucking my brother and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take over the show. He's also known for that the
Speaker 1: ODB would come to your ship in a good way.
Speaker 1: If I did the show when ODB showed up, niggad
Speaker 1: gonna take a thirty minute break because he's gonna do
Speaker 1: this ship and they gonna love it. And I'll be
Speaker 1: like when he finished finish it, Hey, I come back,
Speaker 1: I'll do my ship that night. They didn't let him more.
Speaker 1: They was like no psightpher God, and he was like
Speaker 1: no cipher, no, no cipher. He threw speakers on the floor.
Speaker 1: It was and we all witnessed it. So that's the
Speaker 1: ODB start anyway, shot the ODB hell bress B all right,
Speaker 1: So let me get my best space Offseaell, this business
Speaker 1: is big business. Now I'll be going big business. You reccon, No,
Speaker 1: you don't know. You know good and you directed written
Speaker 1: and directed by the Rizzard. So it's not like it's
Speaker 1: not like the show is in the middle, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. We didn't have all this shit in
Speaker 1: our sister and we're gonna get our tea up. We
Speaker 1: get like, this is professional. This movie cost ten million
Speaker 1: dollars to make. The name of the movie it's called
Speaker 1: One Spoon of Chocolate. So this movie started like this.
Speaker 1: I've been good in life. Life is good. I love it.
Speaker 1: Some assets and me and my wife was looking for
Speaker 1: maybe another place to another real estate. We've been doing
Speaker 1: good in real estate, so we thought we about another house.
Speaker 1: We saw a beautiful house. It was like Bama Lama.
Speaker 1: It was like the waterfall was from the ceiling in
Speaker 1: the pools. I like it. Yeah, yes, yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. California too, don't think about
Speaker 1: the fires. So we saw in the house was like
Speaker 1: Bama lamb. I was like, yo, yeah, I could build
Speaker 1: a studio right there. No steps. It's like more like
Speaker 1: it's like a dormitory type of studio for forty nine
Speaker 1: thousand square feet. Very beautiful place. Thank you. Hey, Bang
Speaker 1: Bong got a witness. I got a witness. Now it
Speaker 1: was real and I was like, wow, this is beautiful baby.
Speaker 1: But let me ask you a question. You want to
Speaker 1: buy a new house or make a movie. And she
Speaker 1: looked at me, It's like, well, what do you want
Speaker 1: to do. I was like, make a movie. She's like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's make a movie. So she killed her idea, enrolled
Speaker 1: with my idea, and so and this happened through the
Speaker 1: New York State of mon tour, all my ones up,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And on the back of
Speaker 1: the bus, I just kept writing. I started the script
Speaker 1: thirteen years ago after I made a movie called Man
Speaker 1: with the Aientist. I started writing this script, and even
Speaker 1: the executives of Universal, the executives at Universal, my man,
Speaker 1: Adam Foguson was its chief executive, and I was like, Adam,
Speaker 1: I got a couple of ideas for my next film.
Speaker 1: Because May with Iphish it wasn't a smash, but it
Speaker 1: made its money back and everybody made a few million hours,
Speaker 1: mind you, a few million hours. And the movie business
Speaker 1: is not good. It's cool it's just like we didn't
Speaker 1: lose money. Yeah, pay the janitors because you need to
Speaker 1: make a hundred to make two hundred. That's yeah. But
Speaker 1: still nobody lost money fucking with me. So you get
Speaker 1: another chance to dance. And so I told Adam. I
Speaker 1: was like, I got a couple of ideas. I started
Speaker 1: pitching these ideas, but the one that he said that
Speaker 1: sounded like it had market value was this one spoon
Speaker 1: of chocolate. And so he said, he taught me, you know,
Speaker 1: chase chase that. I said, cool. He taught me chase
Speaker 1: that wurs okay. Continue. So I leave and I started
Speaker 1: chasing it and I get stuck at page forty. That's
Speaker 1: that I've made two other movies. Bro, I got stuck
Speaker 1: for ten years at page forty. After two other movies.
Speaker 1: My brother Paul Hall. Paul Hall, you may know Paul
Speaker 1: Hall from you did a lot of Tyler Perry. Oh,
Speaker 1: Paul Hall did a lot of John Singleton Cheff Higher Learning.
Speaker 1: So Paul was that producer that guided John Singleton through
Speaker 1: and I met him because there was another movie. He
Speaker 1: was like, they let lions get hired. Lions get hired
Speaker 1: me to do a movie. And Paul was producing, and
Speaker 1: Bunk Bung and me and Paul was there right. So anyway,
Speaker 1: now we get to a point, you know, twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: I started writing the Garrett when this movie, and I
Speaker 1: get twenty more pages and Bama lama froze again. Nothing.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know to do this movie. I
Speaker 1: don't know how to finish it. I don't know where
Speaker 1: they're going. I'm stuck. And then we just go. But
Speaker 1: then the writers' strike happened. They might know when the
Speaker 1: writer strike a few years ago. I want to New
Speaker 1: York state of my tour. I just asked my wife
Speaker 1: what you want to do. She said, make a movie.
Speaker 1: I started digging through all my my ideas. I got
Speaker 1: like twenty ideas. I got twenty pages, ten pages, eighty pages,
Speaker 1: five pages in this one. I read to her. She said,
Speaker 1: I like where that's going. She didn't know where I
Speaker 1: was going to end, but I like where it's going.
Speaker 1: And I eventually uh on a tour. On the back
Speaker 1: of that tour bus, my wife on one pollow, me
Speaker 1: and one pillow, I wrote the whole movie. By the
Speaker 1: end of the tour, I had it, We had the economics,
Speaker 1: we had some other Financial Partners. That was down with me,
Speaker 1: and we went and made this movie. It's called One
Speaker 1: Spoon of Chocolate. It's gonna premiere at the Tribeca Film Festival,
Speaker 1: New York City, New York City. Shout out with It's
Speaker 1: gonna premiere June eighth at the Tribeca Film Festival in
Speaker 1: New York City. One Spool of Chocolate June eighth, New York,
Speaker 1: York City, Tribecca Film Festival, World pamea come fuck with us. Boom, yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: I like that. I got yo. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I fly back on a.
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