WEBVTT - Notre Dame Promotes Marcus Freeman + Bill Connelly's Week 14 Thoughts

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<v Speaker 3>And Dan and Tie.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the salid verbal Boys and girls. My

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<v Speaker 2>the only still being comparable, Dan Rubinstein, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>coming back to our college football podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan. Yeah, how you doing. I'm pretty good all things considered.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Thanksgiving has coming gone. Stomach is feeling great. Great.

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<v Speaker 1>My coach at my school, which is not my coach

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<v Speaker 1>or my school, but I attended there. I'm gonna alumnus.

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<v Speaker 1>He's still there. I mean by the time this is released.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe he took fourteen million dollars from Miami or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But you know, in these wild days

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<v Speaker 1>and these carousel days, stability is not the worst thing.

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<v Speaker 2>The coaching carousel, as I like to say, has been

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<v Speaker 2>spinning ever so chaotically. We will get into some of

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<v Speaker 2>the breaking news on that front. We have done three

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<v Speaker 2>live streams in the span of about ninety six hours. Dan,

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<v Speaker 2>because big name institutions keep hiring big name coaches or

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<v Speaker 2>keep making news by the guys they are hiring. So

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to get into that here momentarily. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to have Bill Connelly on to talk about the weekend

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<v Speaker 2>in front of us here in week fourteen, Championship week,

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<v Speaker 2>what he expects to see, what kind of takeaways he

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<v Speaker 2>has from the season that was, and maybe offer some

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<v Speaker 2>insight as well into some of this news in the

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<v Speaker 1>the news this week. You know what, I ain't gonna

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<v Speaker 2>Beep beep, beep beep on its last leg. Notre Dame

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<v Speaker 2>has not officially named its new head football coach, but

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<v Speaker 2>per reports, per numerous reports, it's gonna be Marcus Freeman.

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<v Speaker 2>So on the Wednesday preview show, we talked through the

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<v Speaker 2>news at that point that Brian and Kelly announced. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess on Monday he was going to be leaving nd

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<v Speaker 2>going down south into the Bayou, trying to take LSU

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<v Speaker 2>to a national championship. It let Notre Dame in a

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<v Speaker 2>position where potentially they're playing in the playoffs in a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks and then have a coach. So Jack Swarbrick,

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<v Speaker 2>he urged some patients, said that there will be a process,

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<v Speaker 2>that they were going to do a search. It was

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<v Speaker 2>important to get the right guy. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>it's because Gary Barta, as part of the College Football

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<v Speaker 2>Playoff Committee, said that they were going to factor in

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<v Speaker 2>Notre Dame's lack of a coach into their final rankings.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it was just that they like

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<v Speaker 2>Marcus Freeman so much. I like to think the latter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, regardless of the scenario though. Marcus Freeman, per reports,

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<v Speaker 2>they're working on putting a contract offer together and he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the next head football coach. So this

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<v Speaker 2>came about very quickly. We did a live stream which

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<v Speaker 2>Solid verbal the But what'd you think, Dan, how'd you

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<v Speaker 2>feel about that?

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<v Speaker 1>I felt good. I'm always enthusiastic. I try to be

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<v Speaker 1>enthusiastic about new hires, and at first, and before I

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<v Speaker 1>think about how it might not work, I think about, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what does this look like in a working scenario in

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<v Speaker 1>which Notre Dame succeeds under Marcus Freeman. It's not difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to see. I think if you have an opinion of

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus Freeman in a detailed prediction of how he will

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<v Speaker 1>do at Notre Dame, you are either somebody who knows

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus Freeman really well, or you're just guessing, or you're

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<v Speaker 1>just because Look, he was at Cincinnati. He is a

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<v Speaker 1>defensive coordinator not that long ago. He's been the defensive

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<v Speaker 1>coordinator at Notre Dame for not even a full season.

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<v Speaker 1>He has not been the public face of a school yet,

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<v Speaker 1>so we don't have a really good concept of how

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<v Speaker 1>he is publicly or what his vision is like as

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<v Speaker 1>a head coach. We can be optimistic, there are things

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<v Speaker 1>to point to that should make you feel optimistic about

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<v Speaker 1>the hire, but also how green he is, the inexperienced,

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<v Speaker 1>the size, the magnitude of the job. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>the last time we had a situation like this. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's fully analogous, but I am kind of

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<v Speaker 1>reminded of Manny Diaz taking the Temple job and then

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<v Speaker 1>immediately turning around and taking the Miami job, and you're like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the market kind of said he was a Temple type coach,

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<v Speaker 1>and now he's the coach at Miami and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of ups and downs at Miami. Not that the market

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<v Speaker 1>has deemed Marcus Freeman a G five or an up

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<v Speaker 1>and down G five level head coach, but it just

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't really in the conversation for Notre Dame beyond

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<v Speaker 1>like Brian Kelly saying like he's going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>coach here someday, well, and that was the extent of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes you wonder.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes you wonder.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there's been some anecdotal evidence along the way. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>we had that Freudian slip, whatever you want to call it,

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<v Speaker 2>when Brian Kelly made comments about Marcus Freeman being the

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<v Speaker 2>next coach here. We had Jack Swarbrick at his press

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<v Speaker 2>conference talk about the anxiousness or the restlessness. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>was his phrasing that he saw in his friend Brian Kelly,

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<v Speaker 2>with whom he had worked for a good long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Kelly again was at Notre Dame for twelve seasons.

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<v Speaker 2>There is part of me in the galaxy brain. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, wondering if Brian Kelly knew all along that

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted out, that they brought Marcus Freeman on knowing

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<v Speaker 2>that he would be the next guy, that maybe it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't truly just a slip of tongue, that maybe there

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<v Speaker 2>was more to it. I can't substantiate that I am speculating,

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<v Speaker 2>but it does make you wonder, after the fact, after

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<v Speaker 2>what we've been through over the last few days here,

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not there was a plan in place that

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't know about right. Only time will tell.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're saying there may have been Nate the Great

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<v Speaker 1>ted Lasso type crumbs laid along the way. Maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, I think you're not wrong. But two,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess to my point, I don't know, like, did

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<v Speaker 1>you see anywhere you're closer to this than I am.

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<v Speaker 1>As somebody who pays attention to Notre Dame where they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>Florida should talk to Marcus Freeman. Alice, you should talk

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<v Speaker 1>to Marcus Freeman. Us you should talk to Marcus Freeman.

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<v Speaker 1>Was his name coming up in really big head coaching

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<v Speaker 1>jobs like that? I just don't remember seeing it.

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<v Speaker 2>His name wasn't coming up in really big head coaching jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>His name was coming up in really big defensive coordinator jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, absolutely, which he already in habits.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there were no shortage of programs that would have

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<v Speaker 2>loved to have Marcus Freeman on staff. And totally if

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<v Speaker 2>you listen to any of the interviews that he's given,

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<v Speaker 2>he talks openly about that. He talks open not about

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<v Speaker 2>all the places where he's interviewed or gotten some interest,

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<v Speaker 2>but enough of them, you know, from sea to Shining Sea.

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<v Speaker 2>So from my standpoint, I think I was pretty open

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<v Speaker 2>about the fact that I didn't have a strong opinion

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<v Speaker 2>on which direction they should go. I was fairly confident

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<v Speaker 2>that Jack Swarburk was going to make a good move.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I didn't buy what he was saying at

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<v Speaker 2>his press conference that he didn't have a list in

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<v Speaker 2>the top drawer or anything like that. Maybe he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have a list, but he had something in the back

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<v Speaker 2>of his mind regarding what he was going to do next.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that was Marcus Freeman all along. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but I do know this is a move that many

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<v Speaker 2>people out there are gonna view as hasty. Sure, many

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<v Speaker 2>people out there are gonna view it as a huge

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<v Speaker 2>risk because Marcus Freeman does not have the experience. I

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<v Speaker 2>am here to tell you that I freaking love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. I mean I love that you love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I love every single solitary bit of this hire. I

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<v Speaker 2>love it to its core. I love it because it's

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<v Speaker 2>a risk. It's high risk, it's high reward at a

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<v Speaker 2>program that you know in Earnest has tried that, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was trying that with Charlie Weiss, but is

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<v Speaker 2>trying it again now at a different stage in the program,

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<v Speaker 2>when it is on more stable footing. Totally, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna try it, if you know that recruiting is not

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<v Speaker 2>going to take a dip because of this move. Now

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<v Speaker 2>would be the time to try it, to try and

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<v Speaker 2>get to that next gear, that next level. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that they're keeping Tommy Reese now a show

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<v Speaker 2>ago he said, we think, Brian Kelly, we think LSU

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<v Speaker 2>can probably do better than Tommy Reese at this stage

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<v Speaker 2>in his development as a twenty nine year old offensive coordinator.

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<v Speaker 2>That is probably true. The thing that I like about

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<v Speaker 2>Notre Dame retaining him is a he's got a great

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<v Speaker 2>rapport with the players that are there. He's done a

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<v Speaker 2>better job each and every week with this offense bringing

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<v Speaker 2>it along. They have gotten better throughout the course of

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<v Speaker 2>the season. And I love the fact that he gets

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<v Speaker 2>to be CEO of the offense and Marcus Freeman gets

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<v Speaker 2>to be CEO of the defense. And at least in

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<v Speaker 2>the short term, that means that the on field product

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<v Speaker 2>for Notre Dame is gonna look a lot like what

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen so far. It's not gonna be different. The

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<v Speaker 2>bottom's not gonna fall out on this thing. If they

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<v Speaker 2>do end up playing in a playoff game, they may

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<v Speaker 2>get boat raced by Georgia, right, but buying large the

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<v Speaker 2>product on the field is not going to take some

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<v Speaker 2>hard left turn and make you wonder what the hell

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<v Speaker 2>am I watching? So I love that continuity aspect of

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<v Speaker 2>it as well. And I just think he's a damn

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<v Speaker 2>impressive guy. Sure, I think he's way qualified. I love

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that Notre Dame is trying to put itself

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<v Speaker 2>in this position now to get to that next level.

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<v Speaker 2>If it fails, and fails spectacularly, at least we have content, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it could be worse.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's a swing risk, it's And I saw this

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<v Speaker 1>phrase by somebody, some sportswriter, and I apologize for not

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<v Speaker 1>knowing his or her name off the top of my head,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was Sure, it's a big swing. But is

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<v Speaker 1>it a bigger swing not to when you have this

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<v Speaker 1>guy within your program as somebody who is beloved by

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<v Speaker 1>people in the program, who is attracting people to the program,

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<v Speaker 1>who calls a good defense, who improved his side of

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<v Speaker 1>the ball dramatically over the course of the season, what's

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<v Speaker 1>the bigger risk letting him go or promoting him? And

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<v Speaker 1>it's a good question. And the Tommy Reese thing is

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<v Speaker 1>interesting too. Continuity counts, Continuity matters, and I believe Tommy

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<v Speaker 1>rees called an offense. It's championship week, right, not one,

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<v Speaker 1>not two, but three non garbage time points against Clemson

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<v Speaker 1>last year and the championship game.

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<v Speaker 2>That's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't let that guy go. You just can't let

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<v Speaker 1>him hit the open market. Do everything you can.

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<v Speaker 2>This also now puts us in a very very interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>unprecedented space where if Notre Dame gets into a playoff game,

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<v Speaker 2>they may have the backing of otherwise Notre Dame haters.

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<v Speaker 1>True, that's a nice new novel concept within the sport. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because the.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing that Notre Dame haters hate more than Notre

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<v Speaker 2>Dame is the snake of a coach. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>here calling Brian Kelly a snake.

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<v Speaker 1>Your mom did on one of our live stream My.

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<v Speaker 2>Mom did on one of the live streams. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>it was a creep, but snake's synonymous for sure, correct, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>But the snake of a coach who abandons his team,

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<v Speaker 2>who chases the bag, leaves with a three and a

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<v Speaker 2>half four minute speech that guy. People always hate that

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<v Speaker 2>guy more than Notre Dame. So the fact that he

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<v Speaker 2>left Notre Dame in a lurch, I would not at

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<v Speaker 2>all be surprised if Notre Dame makes it into this

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<v Speaker 2>playoff if they don't, weirdly have the backing of people

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<v Speaker 2>who would otherwise say I hate the Irish. Now suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>they're on their side rooting for them to pull it off.

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<v Speaker 2>Crazy turn of events.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think this week has shown us that people

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<v Speaker 1>like commenting, at least people I've seen in social media

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<v Speaker 1>commentary like I don't know whatever amount of worth you

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<v Speaker 1>want to put on anonymous people weighing in, including me.

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<v Speaker 1>People don't like snake coaches, and people say things, people

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<v Speaker 1>like saying things like you couldn't pay me to live

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<v Speaker 1>in California in response to Lincoln Riley, Okay, good to know, Thanks,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for weighing in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's it. It's been. It's been quite a

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<v Speaker 2>turn of events in South Bend, and I'm excited for

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<v Speaker 2>them to finally take the bubble wrap off this thing

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<v Speaker 2>and announce Marcus Freeman. I'm excited to hear what he

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<v Speaker 2>has to say. I'm sure there will be some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of introductory press conference and he's gonna have to hit

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<v Speaker 2>the ground running, right because if it's not the playoffs,

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be a New Year's six Bowl game against

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<v Speaker 2>a good opponent. So we'll find out I think pretty

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<v Speaker 2>early on what it looks like. We'll find out a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more in the offseason and as we build into

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two. But even then, an early game against

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio State. Welcome to college football, new head football coach

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<v Speaker 2>Marcus is alma mater. Yeah, yeah, we will find out

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<v Speaker 2>in very short order what this guy's got up his sleeve.

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<v Speaker 2>I am very excited for this next generation of Notre

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<v Speaker 2>Dame football. You know, even if it fails, at least

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<v Speaker 2>they could say they tried.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, this is this is your year. This

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<v Speaker 1>is in a shell, in a I forget what idiot

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for, but in a nutshell like right, it's

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<v Speaker 1>you could go comfortable, or you could take a big swing.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's ty Hilton Bran out there quitting the day

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<v Speaker 1>job taking a big swing. Fortune fires the bold, Fortune

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<v Speaker 1>Fair is the bold? Any other news that we should discuss.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw Adrian Martinez, Yeah he's in the train. Medazio

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<v Speaker 1>was fired. Yeah, Adrian Martinez in the portal. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we'll just more do a portal specific show

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<v Speaker 1>in the coming couple of weeks of guys who have

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<v Speaker 1>entered guys who have made the official switch, like Jake

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<v Speaker 1>Hayner has gone from Fresno State presumably, it seems. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if I've seen anything official at the time

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<v Speaker 1>of recording, but there's an assumption based on transfer rules

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<v Speaker 1>because he's already transferred once if he can immediately become

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<v Speaker 1>eligible at a place where he used to play in

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<v Speaker 1>Washington and I Yeah, there's a lot to be discussed

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<v Speaker 1>with the portal. Interesting quarterback Spencer Ratler's in the portal.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about that a little bit. Just there's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a lot of new faces at new places

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<v Speaker 1>that I think deserves its own show, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>large swath of a show.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And Oklahoma is still without a coach. There is

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of speculation that it could be

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<v Speaker 2>Brent Vennables, but that has not been openly reported anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see if that will come to fruition or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Brent Vannibles, a guy you know, has a long history

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<v Speaker 2>with Oklahoma, has done great things at clemsed hit it

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<v Speaker 2>would make sense that they'd want to bring him back.

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<v Speaker 2>But when that news breaks, I think we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>try to handle it the way we've been handling all

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<v Speaker 2>these other big openings and we'll just flip on the

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<v Speaker 2>cameras and go live on YouTube. So that is why

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<v Speaker 2>it is important if you like what we do, going

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<v Speaker 2>out to YouTube dot com, slash the the solid verbal

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<v Speaker 2>and you'll be notified whenever we go live. We get

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<v Speaker 2>an email.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of interesting names, not even just menibals right,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of like hot coordinators, especially defensive coordinators. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know Dan Lanning and Mike el Coo. Lanning obviously

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be with Georgia for some time because

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<v Speaker 1>of the playoff, but you know, Oklahoma should attract kind

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<v Speaker 1>of best of the best, who's who of interesting head

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<v Speaker 1>coaching candidates.

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<v Speaker 2>An enormous job, absolutely enormous job. So do stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 2>Make sure you subscribe to the show and subscribe to

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<v Speaker 2>on demand universe of podcasting to cover these things in

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<v Speaker 2>always work out timing wise.

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube hit the YouTube channel. We're going live with big news.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been going live with big news, and we've also

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<v Speaker 2>been posting that audio and podcast form out on verballers

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<v Speaker 2>dot com for a patriot. Sure again, those who are interested,

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<v Speaker 2>shall we get to our guest of honor. I would

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<v Speaker 2>love to joining us. Now, we're old buddy from ESPN

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<v Speaker 2>dot com. We've known Bill Connolly forever. Bill.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very good? How are you? I'm very tired. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>not let's be real here. Yeah, we're yeah, we're ready

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<v Speaker 3>to to wrap this up a little bit. But I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 1>Poor us. We watch college football and talk about it professionally.

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<v Speaker 1>Please pity our struggles.

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<v Speaker 3>And I am very excited though about this weekend. This

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<v Speaker 3>has a chance to be a very very cool playoff,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm hoping for the best here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's start there. What is the most likely chaos scenario?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh this weekend?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the thing is like the non chaos scenarios pretty

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<v Speaker 3>feels pretty chaotic. When you think about the possibility of

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<v Speaker 3>a Georgia, Michigan, Oklahoma State Cincinnati playoff. That's kinda it

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<v Speaker 3>feels like the most likely situation right now. Not that

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<v Speaker 3>any one situation is extremely likely, but that kind of

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<v Speaker 3>feels like the most likely scenario. That's amazing. That's four

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<v Speaker 3>rise slash redemption stories to talk about it, and I

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<v Speaker 3>realize it all ends with Georgia winning two games by

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four points or whatever. But that's an amazing story

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm hoping that's how it plays out. Obviously, obviously

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<v Speaker 3>we could still end up with Alabama, Georgia and Notre

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<v Speaker 3>Dame taking three of the four spots, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 3>one amazing story crammed in there too, I guess. But no,

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<v Speaker 3>just the thought of like Michigan, Cincinnati, Georgia, Oklahoma State.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just cool and it's something we needed a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more of. So I'm hoping that's the way it

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<v Speaker 3>plays out.

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<v Speaker 1>The thinking fans for some and that thinking fan is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the few people who could name all four

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<v Speaker 1>quarterbacks for those four teams.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Spencer Sanders playoff quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wow, just incredible. Stetson Bennett Stet's first. First of all, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to get back to your questions. I understand,

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<v Speaker 1>I just cut you off time. But Stetson, then it's

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<v Speaker 1>really really good at college football.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I just wrote about this for my Friday call

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<v Speaker 3>him too, But you know it's amazing. Well number one, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean he's like second in total kbrs and passed

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<v Speaker 3>like one to eighty nine or whatever, like, he's done

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<v Speaker 3>so well. But it's amazing that we have gotten twelve

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<v Speaker 3>games into the season, like thirty eight different ways. In

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<v Speaker 3>the offseason I asked the same question, which is basically,

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<v Speaker 3>can Georgia score when they need to score? Right, And

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<v Speaker 3>the answer is, we don't know because they've never had

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<v Speaker 3>to score yet, and it's twelve games into the season

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<v Speaker 3>and they might not have to score ever. And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he's been awesome. He's had the easiest job

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<v Speaker 3>in America. He's done it really well, and he might

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<v Speaker 3>end up winning a national title. I wrote about death

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<v Speaker 3>of the game manager in the offseason, and then a

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<v Speaker 3>game manager might win the title the very next year.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Dan, I'm glad you brought up Stetsan Bennet because

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<v Speaker 2>that was going to be my question. What's Georgia got

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<v Speaker 2>to do to prove the people that it can also

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<v Speaker 2>play offense? Because look, we know about the defense. The

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<v Speaker 2>defense is one of the all time greats. The offense

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<v Speaker 2>in your sp plus is I believe second. Yeah, nationally

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<v Speaker 2>showed me, which is still pretty damn good. You just

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<v Speaker 2>don't care about it because, like you said, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to score. They haven't been in a whole lot

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<v Speaker 2>of high leverage situations. Do we expect Is it realistic

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<v Speaker 2>to expect going up against the number eleven defense per

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<v Speaker 2>your sp plus and Alabama that the results are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be any different than we've seen all year?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? I mean, so much of it depends on can

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<v Speaker 3>A help him to protect Bryce young enough to make

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<v Speaker 3>this a game like that? So much of it's going

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<v Speaker 3>to come to that, because like the most shocking I

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<v Speaker 3>knew this was going to say something to this effect,

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<v Speaker 3>but total second half drives. I pulled this up for

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<v Speaker 3>the column and I tweeted it out a couple days

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<v Speaker 3>ago or yesterday, Total second half drives this season with

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<v Speaker 3>a scoring margin like under plus fourteen, So basically, you're

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<v Speaker 3>either behind or you're up by less than fourteen points.

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<v Speaker 3>The top three teams in the country in this war

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<v Speaker 3>Western Kentucky actually, which kind of threw me a little bit,

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<v Speaker 3>But Western Kentucky has had thirty one such drives all

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<v Speaker 3>year where they're not, you know, up at least fourteen points.

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<v Speaker 3>Cincinnati is second. They've had twenty eight of those drives.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are both pretty wild numbers. They've been in control

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<v Speaker 3>of games Georgia's had six drives all year where they

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<v Speaker 3>had the ball in the second half and they weren't

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<v Speaker 3>up at least two touchdowns, and five of those came

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<v Speaker 3>against Clemson, So in the last eleven games they've had one.

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<v Speaker 3>They were up seven against Kentucky at half, they took

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<v Speaker 3>the ball, they drove like five or six plays seventy

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<v Speaker 3>two yards or something like that. That was the one

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<v Speaker 3>semi high leverage drives thattsn't been in has had all year,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was great and then you know, the right

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<v Speaker 3>down and scored on Kentucky. But that was it. And

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, obviously Alabama's defense is good, obviously Alabama. Obviously

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<v Speaker 3>Alabama is good, but they've showed just enough glitches on

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<v Speaker 3>offense of late that are are are they going to

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<v Speaker 3>be able to score enough or keep Georgia down enough

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<v Speaker 3>to actually makes Detson minutes score in the second half.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an Alabama team, by the way. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned the underlying numbers about how successful they can

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<v Speaker 1>be that if Georgia beats then they're likely not even

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<v Speaker 1>in this playoff barring some sort of crazy crazy stars aligning.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is the team that seems likely to be in

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<v Speaker 1>the playoff that can force those higher leverage drives and

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<v Speaker 1>second halves. In your mind, both from what you've seen

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<v Speaker 1>with your eyes and what your your numbers dictate, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess the most likely answer is nobody, but you

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<v Speaker 3>could see of the ones we're talking about, I mean Michigan.

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<v Speaker 3>Michigan's basically Georgia liked, right. I mean, they play very, very,

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<v Speaker 3>very good defense. They want to run the ball as

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<v Speaker 3>much as you'll let them. They can throw on they

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<v Speaker 3>can catch back up to the chains, they can catch

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<v Speaker 3>back up on passing downs. And I think they've done

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<v Speaker 3>a really nice job this year with Kay McNamara of

0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:56.080
<v Speaker 3>just sort of slowly opening the playbook as they've gone along.

0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:58.440
<v Speaker 3>It was really safe early in the year. They've added

0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:02.000
<v Speaker 3>responsibility as the year's gone on, and he's responded. So

0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:05.520
<v Speaker 3>theoretically they just might be good enough to do it.

0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:09.280
<v Speaker 3>It worries me that they really are basically Georgia with

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<v Speaker 3>four stars as opposed to five stars, and you know,

0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:16.160
<v Speaker 3>it's hard to find actual matchup advantages they have. They're

0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:19.159
<v Speaker 3>just almost as good as Georgia had everything, but not

0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:21.760
<v Speaker 3>as good as them at anything. But that could be

0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:24.919
<v Speaker 3>interesting just because they're a really good team. Cincinnati and

0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:26.919
<v Speaker 3>Oklahoma State could both force a lot of mistakes too.

0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:30.320
<v Speaker 3>If they can force turnovers eertly and somehow and get

0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:32.280
<v Speaker 3>some easy points on the board one way or the other,

0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:34.480
<v Speaker 3>that could make things pretty interesting for a while at

0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:37.560
<v Speaker 3>least by how I think the most likely answer is

0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:39.480
<v Speaker 3>nobody if Alabama can't do it.

0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma State is a fascinating team because we usually find

0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:46.399
<v Speaker 1>them to be a program with a pretty high floor

0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:49.400
<v Speaker 1>that they're going to win eight plus games most if

0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:53.679
<v Speaker 1>not every year. But it is interesting that traditionally speaking,

0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:55.320
<v Speaker 1>it has been the offense leading the way, in these

0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:57.600
<v Speaker 1>past couple of years it has been defense leading the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this an Oklahoma State team in your mind that

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<v Speaker 1>has outperformed and over at cheat or you know, if

0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:06.480
<v Speaker 1>it were another year, are they going ten and two,

0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:09.399
<v Speaker 1>nine and three? But the stars align in a certain

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:11.879
<v Speaker 1>way this year? What is I mean now that you

0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:14.960
<v Speaker 1>have twelve games of data on Oklahoma State, what is

0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:15.840
<v Speaker 1>your read on the Pokes?

0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:20.879
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think basically, first six seven games they were

0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:22.720
<v Speaker 3>prety well first they started six and oh they were

0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:25.960
<v Speaker 3>pretty lucky obviously, you know twenty three sixteen against Missouri

0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:29.119
<v Speaker 3>State twenty eight, twenty three against tulsaverely beat Boise, and

0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:32.280
<v Speaker 3>Boise wasn't very good early in the year, so clearly,

0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:34.879
<v Speaker 3>I mean they've they've had a good defense all year,

0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:39.000
<v Speaker 3>but that offense was just not doing nearly enough, and

0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:41.360
<v Speaker 3>so they were really lucky to get to about four

0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 3>and oh. But once they lost, and they really should,

0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:45.720
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that was a straight toss up at I

0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:47.480
<v Speaker 3>would say they easily could have won that game, but

0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:51.320
<v Speaker 3>once they lost, they came home and like they found

0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:54.399
<v Speaker 3>another gear. Since then, you know, fifty five three against

0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:57.159
<v Speaker 3>a Kansas team that improved against everybody else, twenty four

0:24:57.200 --> 0:25:01.160
<v Speaker 3>to three against West Virginia sixty three seventeen TCU, they've

0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:03.879
<v Speaker 3>been a playoff team I think over the last five games,

0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:06.479
<v Speaker 3>or at least like top six or eight, right, So

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:10.800
<v Speaker 3>it does feel like now they're legit. They were not

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:14.080
<v Speaker 3>legit early in the year, but they survived enough that

0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:17.160
<v Speaker 3>they were able to, you know, buy time and find

0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:19.520
<v Speaker 3>another gear and now they're a very very good team.

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Bill how do you handicap the matchup then against Baylor?

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:26.600
<v Speaker 2>This is obviously a rematch, right we saw it earlier

0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:29.400
<v Speaker 2>in the year. Oklahoma State won that game by ten.

0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:33.280
<v Speaker 2>It was a matchup in which Spencer Sanders threw three picks,

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:36.600
<v Speaker 2>and I said on our preview show that that version

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:40.600
<v Speaker 2>of Spencer Sanders the inconsistent What do we expect from him?

0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:43.879
<v Speaker 2>Version of Spencer Sanders, that's the version we've seen the

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:46.800
<v Speaker 2>most over the last three years. Now. Obviously in Bedlam

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 2>he looked incredible. Which version do you expect to see

0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:53.080
<v Speaker 2>against Baylor? The version we saw a couple of weeks ago,

0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:56.320
<v Speaker 2>or maybe this was two picks with two picks right right.

0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:58.239
<v Speaker 3>Like that was the thing, and like even last week,

0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:00.399
<v Speaker 3>they're like, oh, he's doing such a good job playing

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:02.160
<v Speaker 3>with them them so oh that was a terrible pass.

0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:05.120
<v Speaker 3>They just baded it right into that interception. He's basically

0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:09.440
<v Speaker 3>two horrible plays a game he's going to continue to make,

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:11.520
<v Speaker 3>and if you can make them pay for that, it's

0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:12.960
<v Speaker 3>going to be really hard for them to win. Although

0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:16.600
<v Speaker 3>then again, they just beat Oklahoma while handing them sixteen points,

0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:20.679
<v Speaker 3>which was almost more impressive than just beating Oklahoma. They

0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 3>like they completely fell apart for eight minutes and then won. Anyway, Well,

0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:28.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean the thing about Baylor is in that first game,

0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:31.040
<v Speaker 3>the reason Oklahoma State won anyway, was because Baylor had

0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:33.520
<v Speaker 3>two good offensive plates, Like they had two plays the

0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 3>game ninety nine yards and their other fifty whatever snaps

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:38.359
<v Speaker 3>game I think one hundred and eighty two if I

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:41.479
<v Speaker 3>remember right, Like, they just completely shut down Baylor, and

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:43.800
<v Speaker 3>that was a Baylor team that had a healthy Jerry

0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:49.879
<v Speaker 3>Bohannon in charge, and so like, I don't know, I

0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:51.720
<v Speaker 3>don't know. I mean, I think the way Baylor wins

0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:55.720
<v Speaker 3>this game is by taking full advantage of the Sanders' mistakes,

0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:58.679
<v Speaker 3>keeping the game close, and then just making things, you know,

0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:00.640
<v Speaker 3>things get weird at the end, and they at the bounces.

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 3>They're clearly a really good team. They're not what are

0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:05.359
<v Speaker 3>they eight or ninth in the playoff rankings, They're not

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:08.359
<v Speaker 3>that good on paper, but they're a top twenty team

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:11.679
<v Speaker 3>on paper with a top fifteen or twenty defense. So

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:14.960
<v Speaker 3>they they're just a good team and that, you know,

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:16.840
<v Speaker 3>that's how they win is by being a good team

0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:18.800
<v Speaker 3>that takes advantage of the other team's mistakes. I think

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:21.399
<v Speaker 3>it's not that you know, s PPLUS has it as

0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:24.240
<v Speaker 3>like a one or two point game. I think I

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:28.160
<v Speaker 3>think the trends certainly favor Oklahoma State. The s PPLs

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:32.240
<v Speaker 3>ratings take those early season games into account. They don't

0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:35.480
<v Speaker 3>know that Bohannon's hurt. You know, obviously, you know, things

0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:38.359
<v Speaker 3>kind of point in Oklahoma State's direction in that regard,

0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 3>but it's still really close to being a toss up

0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 3>fair enough.

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:45.480
<v Speaker 1>And when you look at teams, I mean, Oklahoma State

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 1>is obviously the team that is the best example of

0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:53.399
<v Speaker 1>being able to survive mistakes and win comfortably or just

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 1>win at all. And you mentioned, I think you had

0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:58.440
<v Speaker 1>a couple of tweets yesterday about Iowa and their ability

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:03.359
<v Speaker 1>to win games without quarterback play, without it average quarterback play,

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 1>the absence of quarterback play. So you can talk about Iowa,

0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 1>but who else this year? Because this has been like

0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:12.360
<v Speaker 1>a pet phrase of ours of winning your clunkers, right,

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:16.200
<v Speaker 1>winning despite down performances. And you have you know, when

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 1>you have a metric that looks at coaches who have

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:22.439
<v Speaker 1>the ability to win losable games, who are the teams

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:26.119
<v Speaker 1>this specific season that have been the best at winning

0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:27.360
<v Speaker 1>losable games?

0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:30.840
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean Oklahoma States certainly, you know, put that

0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 3>bar set that bar pretty high early in the year

0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:37.040
<v Speaker 3>at the very least. That's interesting. I'm pulling up here's

0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 3>where I pull up spreadsheets.

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:40.240
<v Speaker 1>On a pun and please do it the most. This

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:42.400
<v Speaker 1>is what we look before that.

0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:45.360
<v Speaker 3>My my second order win total number is something we

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:47.840
<v Speaker 3>talk about sometimes where it's basically, you know that post

0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 3>game win expectancy, how frequently you would you have won

0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 3>this game with these specific stats. You know, you add

0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 3>that up and it pretty much tells you who's pretty

0:28:57.200 --> 0:29:01.000
<v Speaker 3>fortunate to be where they are? You best coaches in America? Yeah,

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:03.960
<v Speaker 3>or luckiest. It takes a lot to separate those two.

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:07.760
<v Speaker 3>But like UTSA was extremely lucky to get to eleven

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.479
<v Speaker 3>and out, they s P plus views them as more

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 3>of like an eight win team. They won a couple

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:15.480
<v Speaker 3>of games they really probably shouldn't have, and then suddenly,

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 3>like regressing to the meme, just destroyed them all at once.

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 3>Wake Force is another team like that. You know, obviously

0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 3>their offense has been really good, their defense just hasn't

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 3>shown up sometimes, but they've managed to get to ten

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 3>and two all the same. Fifth on the list is Iowa.

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:33.240
<v Speaker 3>Looks like an eight and four team on paper, but

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:36.360
<v Speaker 3>they've gone ten and two because of those early runs

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 3>of turnovers. Most interesting team, well, I don't know about

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 3>most interesting, but I've gotten yelled at a bunch this year,

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 3>which isn't new, but I've gotten yelled at a bunch

0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:49.680
<v Speaker 3>this year by Utah State fans.

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:51.240
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say that was my team that

0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 1>in previewing the game, like, oh, they beat a bunch

0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:55.680
<v Speaker 1>of good teams by like two points a game, right,

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 1>bad teams? Excuse me?

0:29:57.200 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, their second order. Let's see, so that postgame expectancy

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 3>number they won. Let's see, they beat Washington State in

0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:07.440
<v Speaker 3>the first game of the year. Their postgame went expectancy

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 3>was twenty four percent. On paper, it looked like a

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:15.160
<v Speaker 3>six point loss at Air Force. They they beat air Force,

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 3>which won them the division. Postgame went expectancy twenty two percent.

0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 3>They beat Colorado State the famous blow the field goal

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:27.959
<v Speaker 3>attempt at the end and then blame the players for

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 3>it moment of the season. Utah State won that game

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:35.240
<v Speaker 3>twenty six twenty four with a four percent postgame expectancy.

0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 3>So they've been mostly awesome over the last five weeks.

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:42.440
<v Speaker 3>They're still crazy vollattle because they have no offensive consistency.

0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 3>It's just how many big plays do they generate. They

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:47.760
<v Speaker 3>suddenly generated none against Wyoman and got their doors blown off,

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 3>But otherwise they have risen in SPPLUS over the last

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:56.719
<v Speaker 3>five weeks, but they just the SPPLUS basically views them

0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:58.760
<v Speaker 3>as a six and six team that accidentally went nine

0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 3>to three. That is certainly the biggest range of the year,

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:04.160
<v Speaker 3>and I can kind of explain it. It makes it

0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 3>a hard game to figure out this weekend because I mean,

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:09.200
<v Speaker 3>if they make two big plays, they get destroyed. But

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 3>if they make five or four even, they absolutely have

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 3>a chance against San Diego State and their non offense.

0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 3>So it's a tricky It makes them hard to predict,

0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 3>but they do seem like they've been extremely fortunate to

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 3>get to nine and three.

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Dan brought up Iowa and the absence of quarterback play.

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:30.840
<v Speaker 2>It is hard to see them winning a big game

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:36.720
<v Speaker 2>without a I guess competent quarterback situation, let's say. But

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:40.240
<v Speaker 2>as we've been discussing it, though I do that's all

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 2>they do.

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:41.920
<v Speaker 1>That's not the Hawkeye way.

0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 2>As we've been discussing it is the Hawkey way. Ten

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 2>and two, Yeah, regardless of how it looks on paper,

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:49.080
<v Speaker 2>ten and two is the final tally They're going up

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 2>against Michigan this weekend. Iowa was calling card early as

0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:57.720
<v Speaker 2>basically just a half team that plays really good defense,

0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:01.240
<v Speaker 2>creates turnovers, and gives its offense a short feat has

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:07.240
<v Speaker 2>been creating those mistakes. Michigan doesn't really make that many mistakes, right.

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 2>That's been one of the reasons why they've been having

0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 2>as good of a year as they have. They're in

0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 2>the top thirty thirty five nationally in terms of turnover margin.

0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 2>If Michigan goes out there and plays its game and

0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 2>does not do anything stupid, is there a path for

0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 2>Iowa to win this game.

0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:27.920
<v Speaker 3>It does feel like they need to. I mean, at

0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 3>the very least, they need to be on the plus

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:32.400
<v Speaker 3>side of the turnover margin, and if they're not, they

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:36.040
<v Speaker 3>just have to create those extra possessions basically, like they

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 3>can Michigan into just kind of a rock fight. I

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 3>don't think Michigan mine's taking its time pulling ahead of

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 3>teams by any means. Like they're the Rutgers game earlier

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 3>this year. They're better than they were that obviously, but

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:50.240
<v Speaker 3>they're still like they can be kind of sucked into

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 3>a very plotting, Oh wow, it's already halftime and it's

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:57.800
<v Speaker 3>seven to three kind of game, And so that's part

0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:01.560
<v Speaker 3>of it is just I mean, they they won't need

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 3>to like create it a bunch of breaks early, they

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 3>just need they can probably take their time doing it.

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it's hard if they're not in the positive

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:12.320
<v Speaker 3>turnover margin, if they don't get at least one easy touchdown. However,

0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:17.000
<v Speaker 3>that turnover or random play action bomb or whatever, it

0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:21.320
<v Speaker 3>does feel like, you know, Iowa basically defines the game

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 3>for you. You have to play their game. They're going

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 3>to play their softs, their their their zone defense. They're

0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:28.960
<v Speaker 3>going to trick you. They're going to run the ball

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 3>and punch. Even though they don't run the ball well,

0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:34.040
<v Speaker 3>they're going to do it a lot. And they just

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 3>basically hope that their quarterback makes two good plays instead

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 3>of zero. But they make you play that way. They

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:43.480
<v Speaker 3>make you settle for shorter passes, they make you take

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 3>your time, and it makes guys, it makes teams uncomfortable. Sometimes.

0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:50.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it'll make Michigan uncomfortable, but it could still.

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 3>I could still certainly see it be in a situation

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:54.920
<v Speaker 3>where all they need is one or two bounces and

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:56.320
<v Speaker 3>they're right there at the end.

0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:58.760
<v Speaker 1>By the way, I feel as if with Iowa, you

0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 1>can just if you if if I were to give

0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:03.360
<v Speaker 1>you or you anybody was to give anybody a number

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 1>of like how many combined awesome plays do Tyler Goodson

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 1>and Charlie Jones account?

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:11.120
<v Speaker 1>Is it more than four and a half? I was

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:11.960
<v Speaker 1>probably gonna win?

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:12.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Is it fewer? Not likely?

0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:17.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? It was crazy. Just the you know, the tweets

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:20.359
<v Speaker 3>that we were talking about over the last two years,

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:23.560
<v Speaker 3>they are if their quarterback rating is higher than one

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:27.359
<v Speaker 3>hundred and one hundred is terrible. Like not for the year.

0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:30.319
<v Speaker 3>The worst quarterback rating for a team is Yukon at

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:33.839
<v Speaker 3>ninety two. One hundred is a terrible passer rating. If

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:36.839
<v Speaker 3>they are over one hundred, they're fourteen and one over

0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:39.040
<v Speaker 3>the last two seasons. Like that's where the bar is.

0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:41.440
<v Speaker 3>They just have to And it's so frustrating because one hand,

0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 3>you're like, wow, that's it's amazing that they they've crafted

0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:47.439
<v Speaker 3>an identity that doesn't require a five star quarterback. They're

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:49.319
<v Speaker 3>gonna win games. It's just so cool. And then at

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 3>the same time you're like, what if you just tried

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 3>for decent quarterback play? Yeah, Like how much would you

0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 3>really have to change to just if you could just

0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:01.160
<v Speaker 3>figure out to be decent at the quarterback position. How

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 3>many games would you win?

0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Is there another Farans that he can hire? Was there

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:07.440
<v Speaker 1>like a Sharon Farrens.

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 3>That was their funny conversations that was happening, And I

0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:12.360
<v Speaker 3>mentioned was you know this is if they would just

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 3>fire Brian Farns, is like, well, then they'd bring in

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:17.360
<v Speaker 3>John Donovan or something, it wouldn't change.

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, and it goes back to the argument that we've

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 2>made on this show. You know, over the years with Oklahoma,

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:27.480
<v Speaker 2>much different team, much different circumstance. But if Oklahoma could

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:30.799
<v Speaker 2>just get marginally better on defense like some of the

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:33.560
<v Speaker 2>some of the teams over the last five years, think

0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:36.919
<v Speaker 2>how much better those teams would have fared come playoff time,

0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 2>come Bowl time.

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:40.200
<v Speaker 3>And it's funny too because last year they got there,

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:42.759
<v Speaker 3>but they got there after they had already lost twice, right,

0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 3>and so they weren't even they weren't part of the conversation.

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 3>But that was the highest level that I think he

0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:49.759
<v Speaker 3>achieved was the second half of last season, where they'd

0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:53.160
<v Speaker 3>already been eliminated from the race altogether. Which actually, now

0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:55.440
<v Speaker 3>that we're thinking about it, that's Iowa stored to last year.

0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 3>They lost their first two games of the year by

0:35:56.960 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 3>like four combined points or whatever, and then they had

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:02.960
<v Speaker 3>a great offense for most of the rest of the year.

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:05.320
<v Speaker 3>They ended up like tenth and sp plus, but again

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:07.400
<v Speaker 3>they had already lost twice and it didn't matter. And

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 3>then this year they do much better overall, within much

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 3>worse offense. Because this all makes perfect sense.

0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:16.880
<v Speaker 2>So Bill, talk to me about something here. Okay, we

0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 2>have done more interviews than I could probably ever count,

0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:27.799
<v Speaker 2>and all along the way, given your intense passion for

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 2>college football, your eye on the analytics and all things

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:36.279
<v Speaker 2>scientific in the game, you have had a I think

0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:39.720
<v Speaker 2>deep love for a group of five teams. We're finally

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 2>at the point now or a group of five team

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:45.880
<v Speaker 2>in Cincinnati appears that it controls its own destiny with

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:49.560
<v Speaker 2>regard to the playoffs. We've arrived here, and what I've

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 2>found very interesting is all the folks along the way

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:55.960
<v Speaker 2>who have been proponents of chaos and we want to

0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 2>break the system. Now that Cincinnati is on the doorstep,

0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:01.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the same people are out there like

0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:04.320
<v Speaker 2>they're not good enough. We should probably give it to

0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:08.879
<v Speaker 2>Ohio State instead, Like where are you at with Cincinnati?

0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:12.000
<v Speaker 2>How good are they? Does Houston have a realistic shot

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:14.520
<v Speaker 2>of beating Cincinnati. Do you want to see Cincinnati win? Like,

0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:17.280
<v Speaker 2>where are you at with this whole argument about the Bearcats.

0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, all I can say is in the

0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:25.280
<v Speaker 3>NSP plus, which is tempo and opponent adjusted and conference adjusted.

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:26.960
<v Speaker 3>That was one of the big changes I made a

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 3>couple of years ago, like basically, how you know your

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 3>how your house price is affected by your neighborhood. It

0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.680
<v Speaker 3>kind of you know, the overall conference you reside in

0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:38.799
<v Speaker 3>moves you up and down, and the AAC is not

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:43.279
<v Speaker 3>very good this year, so just by the company they

0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:45.640
<v Speaker 3>have to keep until they moved to the Big twelve,

0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of dragging them down a little bit. And

0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:52.160
<v Speaker 3>they're fit overall in SP plus. I don't know, I

0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:55.120
<v Speaker 3>don't remember where the highest ranked Boise State and TCU

0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:58.120
<v Speaker 3>teams were a decade ago before they moved or before

0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:02.280
<v Speaker 3>TCU moved, But since that I was fifth, they're they're

0:38:02.440 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 3>barely behind Michigan. And this is with that conference effect

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 3>in place. They physically destroyed Notre Dame in October. They

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 3>now Coaches kind of hate when when a mid major

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.239
<v Speaker 3>makes a run like this, because you know, Cincinnati like

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:22.160
<v Speaker 3>openly took a month off, basically after the note, after

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:25.319
<v Speaker 3>the UCF game, and they go up to touchdowns and

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:28.200
<v Speaker 3>just coast as long as humanly possible. Didn't show anything

0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:31.799
<v Speaker 3>that isn't something that like an Alabama gets to do. Well,

0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:34.239
<v Speaker 3>that's not a good example, but you know a more

0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:36.400
<v Speaker 3>mortal team gets to do in a power conference. So

0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:38.800
<v Speaker 3>you want to complain about that, that's fine. But everything

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:42.319
<v Speaker 3>we've actually seen from Cincinnati is when they're in a

0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 3>situation where they have to hit the gas, they hit

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:48.000
<v Speaker 3>the freaking gas. And they matched up physically with Georgia

0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 3>last year and they're really, really, really good. I just

0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 3>I have no problem whether the road was hard enough,

0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 3>Like we can talk about that if we want to,

0:38:57.680 --> 0:39:01.400
<v Speaker 3>But what we've actually seen on the field is that

0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 3>they're a really good football team. That's aid Houston COMPETI

0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:07.000
<v Speaker 3>them because Houston is suddenly a top thirty team too,

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:10.400
<v Speaker 3>and Houston top thirty teams beat top five teams all

0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 3>the time. But that well occasionally, and they have a

0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:17.640
<v Speaker 3>defense that forces tons of mistakes and it's super aggressive,

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:20.799
<v Speaker 3>and they feel like a very good underdog candidate and.

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 2>They but they bring a ton of pressure. Dan and

0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 2>I both had trouble on our Wednesday preview show, trusting

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:27.280
<v Speaker 2>the offense.

0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:30.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's a pretty inconsistent offense. They can make

0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:34.360
<v Speaker 3>some big plays, but they go three and out a

0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 3>lot in Cincinnati forces a ton of three and outs,

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:39.879
<v Speaker 3>and you figure that alone tilts the field enough to where,

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:43.400
<v Speaker 3>unless unless Desmond Redder throws three picks or you know,

0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:46.120
<v Speaker 3>the sack and strips get involved or whatever, it's going

0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:48.759
<v Speaker 3>to be really hard for Houston to win. They absolutely

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:50.359
<v Speaker 3>have a chance because they are a good team too.

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The thing that's sort of hard to parse or

0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:57.040
<v Speaker 1>hard to explain or hard to put into context because

0:39:57.080 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 1>you just never have time when you're trying to defend

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:02.480
<v Speaker 1>teams or put down other teams' performance or whatever. Cincinnati

0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:05.120
<v Speaker 1>was a Power Conference team. They are not considered a

0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Power Conference team anymore, a Power Conference program because of

0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:10.840
<v Speaker 1>the way the sport realigned a decade ago or twelve

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:14.160
<v Speaker 1>years ago, whatever. But they were in the Big East.

0:40:14.360 --> 0:40:17.480
<v Speaker 1>They went undefeated, They've played in major bowl games. They

0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 1>attract like top thirty ish forty ish type classes that

0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:25.279
<v Speaker 1>are comparable to like pit Virginia Tech. Right, Like, they're

0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:28.799
<v Speaker 1>not a cute story right from top to bottom, they're

0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:31.000
<v Speaker 1>just not from top to bottom. They're a power program.

0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:32.960
<v Speaker 1>They just happened to play in a conference that's not

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 1>considered to be for I mean, justifiably so in some instances,

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:38.759
<v Speaker 1>a power conference. And so that's hard to sort of

0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 1>say quickly when talking about the program, right, Yeah, No,

0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:44.560
<v Speaker 1>that hit me earlier this year, and it made me

0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:48.239
<v Speaker 1>really mad, like we're openly punishing them for their for

0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 1>their week schedule when a they.

0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:53.160
<v Speaker 3>Didn't choose to have any schedule, Like that's what That's

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:55.400
<v Speaker 3>one of the parts that always like they scheduled how

0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:57.520
<v Speaker 3>they were supposed to a non conference. They can't control

0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:00.400
<v Speaker 3>how good the AAC is. But then with cincinnat it

0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:03.920
<v Speaker 3>was doubly infuriating because they didn't even do anything to

0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:06.719
<v Speaker 3>merit being in a group of five conferences to begin with,

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:09.400
<v Speaker 3>they were two years before realignment. They almost made the

0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:13.880
<v Speaker 3>national title game. Like if Colt McCoy's passed flick flutters

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 3>in the air for another half second, where was that

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:22.200
<v Speaker 3>stand in tent wherever that game was? Then Cincinnati plays

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:24.680
<v Speaker 3>for the national time. They get whooped in the national

0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:27.040
<v Speaker 3>title game, but they still play for the national title.

0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:29.760
<v Speaker 3>And then two years later or three years later or whatever.

0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:33.400
<v Speaker 3>They're a mid major team and that's just and then

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:35.479
<v Speaker 3>we punish them for it when they're actually really good.

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:38.920
<v Speaker 3>So the whole thing is obviously really, really frustrating. And

0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:42.680
<v Speaker 3>hopefully they can, hopefully they can actually make the playoff.

0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 3>And hopefully they can, you know, they've already acquitted themselves

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:48.880
<v Speaker 3>well enough to be a playoff team, but hopefully with

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:51.239
<v Speaker 3>the world watching and ready to judge them and say, well,

0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:54.399
<v Speaker 3>I knew they weren't there all along, then hopefully they

0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:55.120
<v Speaker 3>played really well.

0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:57.479
<v Speaker 1>And to bring it full circle, to be clear, Brian

0:41:57.560 --> 0:42:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Kelly abandoned that team. Major Bowl game parallels.

0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:03.840
<v Speaker 3>Here, we got we got the ten year anniversary of

0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 3>Oklahoma State barely missing it. We've got Cincinnati, We've got

0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:09.319
<v Speaker 3>Brian Kelly coming in in a weird way.

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:12.920
<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a circle of life, Yeah, circle of life.

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Notre Dame is what I was gonna ask about, just

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:17.440
<v Speaker 1>because they are this and I don't know what it is.

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:19.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess I have some concept of what

0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:22.040
<v Speaker 1>it is, but they are this team that's not spoken of,

0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 1>and maybe it's the loss of Cincinnati, and maybe it's

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:25.719
<v Speaker 1>the assumption that, like, well, they're not going to jump

0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati basically no matter what happens, unless I guess Cincinnati

0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 1>gets truly blown out by Houston. But Notre Dame is

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:35.640
<v Speaker 1>a team that I mean, in my eyes, that I've

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:37.799
<v Speaker 1>watched that the back half of their season, and Ty

0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 1>has been adamant about this. They've just been a different

0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:43.399
<v Speaker 1>team since that. I mean, all things considered pretty tough

0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:46.719
<v Speaker 1>early road, right, having the defenses that they had early on.

0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:50.759
<v Speaker 1>Is Notre Dame in the same way that Oklahoma State

0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 1>has turned it on the back half? Is it? In

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:56.759
<v Speaker 1>your view and your estimation, is Notre Dame a team

0:42:56.760 --> 0:42:59.680
<v Speaker 1>who got better or did their schedule get better these

0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:00.680
<v Speaker 1>last six games?

0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 3>Yes? This is one of the ways that like a

0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:08.000
<v Speaker 3>postgame went expectancy kind of thing can help too, because yeah,

0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 3>I mean their last four games weregans teams NSP plus

0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:13.279
<v Speaker 3>ranked one oh five, fifty ninety four and one o

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:16.960
<v Speaker 3>four like not good. Only Virginia is is decent in

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:21.480
<v Speaker 3>that bunch, but they're but they completely and totally dominated

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:24.120
<v Speaker 3>in the way that a top five team would in

0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:26.640
<v Speaker 3>those games. And that's of course, after you know, beating

0:43:26.680 --> 0:43:30.439
<v Speaker 3>North Carolina. Obviously North Carolina is sort of a mess

0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:33.720
<v Speaker 3>to but they still beat the North Carolina in USC

0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:37.439
<v Speaker 3>and they the stats suggested that they should have beaten

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:40.239
<v Speaker 3>Virginia Tech by far more than three. They very much

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 3>controlled that game. It's been it's been funny. So you know,

0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:47.880
<v Speaker 3>you know on Twitter at some point, you know, anytime

0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:50.160
<v Speaker 3>you say something that turns out wrong, somebody's gonna dunk

0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:52.240
<v Speaker 3>on you for it. And that's fine. I'm wrong a lot.

0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:54.360
<v Speaker 3>But the thing I've gotten, you know, dunked on the

0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 3>most this year is in I think the Notre Dame

0:43:57.640 --> 0:44:00.000
<v Speaker 3>preview over the Summer, the Indies preview over the sum

0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:03.480
<v Speaker 3>I said, like, the middle stretch of their season from Wisconsin, Cincinnati,

0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:06.840
<v Speaker 3>Virginia Tech, USC North Carolina is an incredible run that

0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:08.919
<v Speaker 3>even a good team would lose a game or two

0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 3>on and it's going to be really tough for them.

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:17.319
<v Speaker 3>I've gotten dunked on NonStop for that, and I don't understand,

0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:21.359
<v Speaker 3>like I stopped responding because that's like, but hey, they

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:24.280
<v Speaker 3>did lose a game that lost to Cincinnati in that stretch.

0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:29.600
<v Speaker 3>I was definitely wrong about Virginia Tech USC being I

0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:32.040
<v Speaker 3>thought they'd be much better than they were, and that's fine.

0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:34.920
<v Speaker 3>They also almost lost to Florida State in Toledo to

0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 3>start the year, which I also didn't predict. So it's

0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:42.080
<v Speaker 3>been it's been strange, but I mean, you know, dunk away.

0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:44.920
<v Speaker 3>But either way, no, I at this point in the year,

0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:49.320
<v Speaker 3>obviously we don't know what the Brian Kelly leaving thing

0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:52.359
<v Speaker 3>is going to do exactly, but they have I think,

0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:54.719
<v Speaker 3>like Oklahoma State, they've played like a top five or

0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:57.520
<v Speaker 3>so team over the last four or five six games,

0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:00.200
<v Speaker 3>and I think they would acquit themselves pretty well. They

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:00.880
<v Speaker 3>made the playoff.

0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Who is underachieved not the teams that obviously that were

0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:09.600
<v Speaker 1>expected for whatever reason to be really good. But I

0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:11.719
<v Speaker 1>know the Nebraska is the obvious to hear because of

0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:14.080
<v Speaker 1>the defense they field it. But I would argue, and

0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:18.120
<v Speaker 1>I have argued, this Nebraska certain performs like a three

0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:20.640
<v Speaker 1>and nine team at the end of game exactly, and

0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:24.160
<v Speaker 1>so their record is actually who they are right like

0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:27.399
<v Speaker 1>they are an actual bad team. They do things, they

0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:30.680
<v Speaker 1>do certain things that good teams do, but the difference

0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:33.799
<v Speaker 1>is they are happy to have the appearance of a

0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:36.759
<v Speaker 1>non bowl team for large swaths of their game.

0:45:37.360 --> 0:45:39.840
<v Speaker 3>Three quarters, they're a top twenty team and right in

0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:41.840
<v Speaker 3>the fourth quarter they're a bottom twenty team.

0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Which which is exactly what bad teams do. So they

0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:46.440
<v Speaker 1>are a bad team. I don't want to hear about

0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Nebraska being like the best three and nine team. They're

0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:51.600
<v Speaker 1>just another three and nine team.

0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:55.000
<v Speaker 3>They are, however, the best three and nine team.

0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Who in your mind, and this could actually be good

0:45:57.520 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 1>teams who should have been great, but who in your

0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:03.359
<v Speaker 1>mine didn't get their act together in ways that they

0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:05.560
<v Speaker 1>should in ways that they performed. We were like, yeah,

0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:07.959
<v Speaker 1>I know, they went nine and three, like Penn State

0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:10.240
<v Speaker 1>to me is an example of that. Like the distance

0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:12.840
<v Speaker 1>from Penn State going seven and five to ten and

0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:17.440
<v Speaker 1>two is so absurdly slim that it makes me think, oh, no,

0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:19.880
<v Speaker 1>they are a seven and five team because they did

0:46:20.239 --> 0:46:22.719
<v Speaker 1>what seven and five teams should do to not go

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:23.359
<v Speaker 1>ten and two.

0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:26.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, obviously with Clifford that Penn State's hard

0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 3>to talk about exactly because it sure seemed like they

0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:32.920
<v Speaker 3>were about to win the Iowa game, to take complete

0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:35.920
<v Speaker 3>control of the Iowa game when he got hurt. They don't.

0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:38.120
<v Speaker 3>If he can actually you know, move his legs, he

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:42.200
<v Speaker 3>probably they probably don't lose to Illinois. That was pretty

0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:45.040
<v Speaker 3>easy to just you know, quarterback injuries. Therefore, their record

0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:47.440
<v Speaker 3>wasn't as good as it was supposed to be obviously,

0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:51.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, I guess Clifford wasn't one hundred percent against

0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:53.800
<v Speaker 3>Michigan and Michigan State. But either way, they still figured

0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:56.279
<v Speaker 3>out ways to drop points in those games that they

0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:59.600
<v Speaker 3>didn't have to, even you know, with Clifford being limited.

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:03.840
<v Speaker 3>So they still, even with Clifford being limited, they should

0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:05.799
<v Speaker 3>have probably been at eight and four, nine and three

0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.400
<v Speaker 3>team and they blew it. But but they're certainly on

0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:13.840
<v Speaker 3>the list. Mississippi State's an interesting one of me. They

0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:18.239
<v Speaker 3>when they looked good, they looked awesome, but their defense

0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:21.400
<v Speaker 3>kind of dropped the ball down the stretch, you know,

0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:24.400
<v Speaker 3>thirty plus their last three conference games. It was a

0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:26.920
<v Speaker 3>really really good defense there for a while, and it

0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:29.000
<v Speaker 3>kind of started to stumble a little bit. I thought,

0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:31.560
<v Speaker 3>right when I started thinking that, you know, this team

0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:34.359
<v Speaker 3>could be, like, could go to a different level down

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:37.400
<v Speaker 3>the stretch, they did the opposite, right, So that felt

0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:39.319
<v Speaker 3>like a team that had an opportunity for more than

0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:45.920
<v Speaker 3>just seven and five and didn't get it. Let's see, not.

0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:47.759
<v Speaker 1>That weird ability by the way, to go down like

0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 1>twenty four to ten every week and they're like, well,

0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:52.439
<v Speaker 1>they're either going to storm back and win this game

0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:55.200
<v Speaker 1>by eleven or they're going to lose this game by thirty.

0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:57.800
<v Speaker 3>Right, We're very used to to no lead being safe

0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:02.040
<v Speaker 3>in a Mike Leach game matter what, but certainly had

0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:04.560
<v Speaker 3>that feel as well. One tim I wish had a

0:48:04.600 --> 0:48:07.279
<v Speaker 3>different non conference schedule because we'd had an opportunity to

0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:09.920
<v Speaker 3>talk about them a lot more. Is Western Kentucky like

0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:13.279
<v Speaker 3>they even when they were losing in non conference you

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:15.480
<v Speaker 3>can tell, like man, once they start playing like for

0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:19.439
<v Speaker 3>like here, it's gonna be. But they barely lose to Army,

0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:22.799
<v Speaker 3>They barely lose to Indiana. They I mean, they lost

0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:24.920
<v Speaker 3>by seventeen to the Michigan State, but Michigan State could

0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:29.760
<v Speaker 3>not keep them down. They continued to score and score

0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:32.239
<v Speaker 3>and move the ball. But then as soon as they

0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:35.040
<v Speaker 3>start one and three, they'd lose that narrow game to UTSA.

0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:37.440
<v Speaker 3>And they have just laid waste to everybody else in

0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:40.160
<v Speaker 3>Conference USA since then. And it would surprise me if

0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:44.319
<v Speaker 3>they didn't destroy UTSA or at least win comfortably. On

0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:47.320
<v Speaker 3>Is that Friday or Saturday? That's Saturday?

0:48:47.360 --> 0:48:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I think Friday night, Yeah, Friday, It is Friday night.

0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:51.799
<v Speaker 1>Friday night, so yeah, that one.

0:48:52.080 --> 0:48:56.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm really if they just had a pretty kky non conference,

0:48:56.239 --> 0:48:58.279
<v Speaker 3>they'd be like ten and two or eleven and one,

0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:01.160
<v Speaker 3>and Bailey Zappi would have like an six hundred yards

0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:03.399
<v Speaker 3>and he'd be at like you'd have a legit chance

0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:07.399
<v Speaker 3>at six thousand for the season if they hadn't. Because

0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:10.200
<v Speaker 3>that's such a fun story, well fun for everybody who

0:49:10.280 --> 0:49:13.520
<v Speaker 3>is a Houston Baptist. I guess we are kind of Hey,

0:49:13.960 --> 0:49:17.040
<v Speaker 3>did they just destroyed this football player and Houston Baptist

0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:19.480
<v Speaker 3>by by the good offensive coordinator and all the good

0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:21.960
<v Speaker 3>players leaving that kind of songs? Yes, but it was

0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:23.280
<v Speaker 3>great for Western Kentucky.

0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:24.640
<v Speaker 1>It's great. I mean, he was on this show. He

0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:27.040
<v Speaker 1>was great. He like what they were able to do.

0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:29.840
<v Speaker 1>And I'll be surprised if that doesn't happen more. I

0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:32.400
<v Speaker 1>don't have FCS rankings in front of me or I know,

0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:35.239
<v Speaker 1>like Southeastern Louisiana had a great year, like we can

0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:37.879
<v Speaker 1>talk it. I'll truth be told. This is I'm gonna

0:49:37.880 --> 0:49:40.560
<v Speaker 1>put my cards on the table here. Oregon is gonna

0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:43.400
<v Speaker 1>be hiring a new offensive coordinator right and I couldn't

0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:47.040
<v Speaker 1>find somebody in the Western footprint that I loved and like,

0:49:47.120 --> 0:49:49.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't want Mario Chris Ball to hire like Dan

0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Mullin or Tom Herman because their names and they'll recruit

0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:54.040
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't want that. And so it's like, Okay,

0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:58.360
<v Speaker 1>who is the next like woonderkinned Chip Kelly, Mike Yer Sich,

0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:00.719
<v Speaker 1>who's that guy? I don't you know, Like I know

0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Eastern Washington fired their offense or he resigned at some

0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:06.839
<v Speaker 1>point during the season. I know Southeastern Louisiana is good.

0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:09.920
<v Speaker 1>I think Dan Hawkins might have a guy at UC Davis. Like,

0:50:10.320 --> 0:50:14.640
<v Speaker 1>are there like coordinators on the G five level FCS

0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:17.160
<v Speaker 1>level where you're just like, hey, hey, Bill Sie's telling

0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:20.360
<v Speaker 1>you in late twenty twenty one, keep an eye open.

0:50:20.760 --> 0:50:23.120
<v Speaker 1>So here in the same way that Houston Baptist had

0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:25.000
<v Speaker 1>that dude who now affecting wins.

0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:26.719
<v Speaker 3>Here here are some names to write down for you

0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:31.360
<v Speaker 3>to google afterwards. Done so, Yes, the in the offensive

0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:35.719
<v Speaker 3>sp plus rankings for FCS right now, Southeastern Louisiana is

0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:38.680
<v Speaker 3>number one, yeah, and number one ten in defense, which

0:50:38.719 --> 0:50:42.399
<v Speaker 3>is also fun. Eastern Washington is number two and eighty

0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:43.320
<v Speaker 3>seventh in defense.

0:50:43.360 --> 0:50:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Is that is that Cole Kelly at Kelly guy six?

0:50:48.360 --> 0:50:49.920
<v Speaker 1>He's a power forward playing quarterback.

0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:52.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, and he gets James Madison this weekend, which

0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:55.720
<v Speaker 3>could actually be kind of cool. Yeah. That's Eastern Washington,

0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:59.160
<v Speaker 3>Montana and Southeastern Louisiana and James Madison too. Just bangers

0:50:59.200 --> 0:50:59.880
<v Speaker 3>at the FCS.

0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:00.120
<v Speaker 2>Love.

0:51:00.239 --> 0:51:03.719
<v Speaker 3>It's gonna be a lot of fun. Incarnate word is

0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:08.279
<v Speaker 3>another one there. Third, Okay, Sanford is fourth. We saw

0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:11.879
<v Speaker 3>what Sandford's capable of true true a couple of weeks

0:51:11.920 --> 0:51:16.160
<v Speaker 3>ago on so on Saturday, Missouri State, I don't remember.

0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:17.920
<v Speaker 3>I think they have a young up and.

0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Cover at quarter just a nobody.

0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:25.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I can't remember what his name is, Robert something something, Yeah,

0:51:26.080 --> 0:51:30.560
<v Speaker 3>Robert something. So yes in Missouri State was fifth, South

0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:33.080
<v Speaker 3>Dacost State six. That guy is not going anywhere, but

0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:37.120
<v Speaker 3>Western Illinois is another one. So I just write these

0:51:37.200 --> 0:51:39.040
<v Speaker 3>now down. We can we can talk D two and

0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:40.520
<v Speaker 3>D three afterward if you want.

0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Man, I just don't Victorio's going deep. I think Mario's

0:51:43.400 --> 0:51:45.640
<v Speaker 1>just gonna hire. He's gonna pay Jeff Grimes or something

0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:47.400
<v Speaker 1>and they'll be yeah yeah.

0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:49.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which yeah, because I mean he really doesn't like

0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:52.040
<v Speaker 3>fun all that much.

0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:54.799
<v Speaker 1>No, he's going to run what he wants to run,

0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:57.720
<v Speaker 1>and then the offensive coordinator gets some third down wrinkles.

0:51:57.760 --> 0:52:00.000
<v Speaker 3>They're still going to be very good and a little

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:02.080
<v Speaker 3>bit frustrating because you think they could be a little

0:52:02.200 --> 0:52:04.960
<v Speaker 3>better and a little more fun. But they're kind of

0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:07.560
<v Speaker 3>when you got top five classes, you can do that.

0:52:07.560 --> 0:52:10.439
<v Speaker 1>That's true. I don't know if I had. I'm trying

0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:12.799
<v Speaker 1>to remember, like what I was curious about heading into

0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:16.200
<v Speaker 1>this interview. I'm just looking across the sport. I just

0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:18.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to figure out. I always like putting things

0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:20.480
<v Speaker 1>into a bucket and into a box and the closest

0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:22.160
<v Speaker 1>I can get to this season, and maybe you have

0:52:22.239 --> 0:52:24.960
<v Speaker 1>thoughts on this is it's kind of in the year

0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:28.319
<v Speaker 1>of the backup quarterback or lack thereof, Right, it's kind

0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:30.800
<v Speaker 1>of been like a lot of these powers either turned

0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:34.480
<v Speaker 1>to a backup quarterback and he helped them keep winning

0:52:34.560 --> 0:52:37.480
<v Speaker 1>even if he wasn't great, like Baylor with Blake Shapin

0:52:37.560 --> 0:52:40.160
<v Speaker 1>or something like that, or the backup quarterback wasn't at

0:52:40.160 --> 0:52:43.000
<v Speaker 1>all ready, or there just wasn't anybody behind there. Obviously,

0:52:43.040 --> 0:52:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Stetson Bennett highlights this phenomenon. Ye, is there anything that

0:52:46.640 --> 0:52:49.080
<v Speaker 1>you see as cohesive now that we have the regular

0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:51.200
<v Speaker 1>season done? With about the twenty twenty one season.

0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:54.880
<v Speaker 3>It is hard with the number of important quarterback issues

0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:57.000
<v Speaker 3>teams had. And it's funny too because you think back

0:52:57.000 --> 0:52:58.960
<v Speaker 3>to August what we might have been talking about then

0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:02.640
<v Speaker 3>about how like everybody returns everybody and so many teams

0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:05.840
<v Speaker 3>have experienced quarterbacks but Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State don't.

0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:09.839
<v Speaker 3>We don't know about Georgia yet. Like technically that kind

0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:12.600
<v Speaker 3>of summary was bang on for what a lot of

0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:14.760
<v Speaker 3>what we've seen, but I think the way it unfolded

0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:17.960
<v Speaker 3>was in no way what we expected to see just

0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:20.600
<v Speaker 3>when these issues popped up or who they popped up for.

0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:24.880
<v Speaker 3>But that has been interesting, I do think because quarterback

0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:27.360
<v Speaker 3>plays has dropped off. I mean I saw the total

0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:31.120
<v Speaker 3>QBR this morning, Like nobody's above ninety this year, and

0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:34.960
<v Speaker 3>at least a few were last year, like CJ. Stroud

0:53:35.040 --> 0:53:37.960
<v Speaker 3>still number one and stetson't ben it's number two right now.

0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:42.120
<v Speaker 3>Because quarterback back play does seem to have dropped off,

0:53:42.160 --> 0:53:43.719
<v Speaker 3>It's hard to tell for sure how much to make

0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:48.920
<v Speaker 3>of the kind of defensive renaissance of certain teams, but

0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:52.200
<v Speaker 3>we've definitely seen two different strains of defense have more

0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:56.040
<v Speaker 3>effective as even against like Patrick Mahomes. You know, teams

0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:59.520
<v Speaker 3>doing a very credible bind, don't break kind of approach

0:53:59.600 --> 0:54:01.640
<v Speaker 3>and tack clean well and keeping things in front of

0:54:01.680 --> 0:54:04.560
<v Speaker 3>them a lot of obviously that's the big ten way,

0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:08.080
<v Speaker 3>but teams are particularly good at that this year. And

0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:11.560
<v Speaker 3>then you've had the Oklahoma States and Houston's of the

0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:14.920
<v Speaker 3>world figuring out how to generate crazy pressure with outblitz

0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:17.600
<v Speaker 3>in all that much. And you know, Oklahoma State I

0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:20.200
<v Speaker 3>was liking in them to the legion of boom teams

0:54:20.239 --> 0:54:22.880
<v Speaker 3>where they basically dare the refs to call a penalty

0:54:22.880 --> 0:54:27.440
<v Speaker 3>on every single play knowing they won't, which you know,

0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:30.480
<v Speaker 3>is a little on the cynical side, I guess, but

0:54:30.520 --> 0:54:33.879
<v Speaker 3>it is also very effective effective and it's super fun

0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:36.479
<v Speaker 3>to watch him. They're so physical and just so mean

0:54:36.680 --> 0:54:39.759
<v Speaker 3>and it's and it's really fun. So that is the

0:54:39.800 --> 0:54:42.239
<v Speaker 3>other story, and it's hard to know which one to wait,

0:54:42.360 --> 0:54:45.480
<v Speaker 3>but I do feel like defenses took a nice step forward,

0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:48.440
<v Speaker 3>and it makes sense that Oklahoma State kind of, you know,

0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:50.320
<v Speaker 3>Gundy always wants to be on the like the cutting

0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:52.400
<v Speaker 3>edge of offense, but there is no cutting edge of

0:54:52.400 --> 0:54:55.000
<v Speaker 3>offense this year, and so it kind of accidentally circled

0:54:55.000 --> 0:54:57.600
<v Speaker 3>around and now he's on the defensive side of the

0:54:57.640 --> 0:55:00.799
<v Speaker 3>cutting edge. But that has been the other story. It's

0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:02.920
<v Speaker 3>just yeah, I mean, if quarterback play improves next year,

0:55:02.920 --> 0:55:06.200
<v Speaker 3>maybe we find out that the defenses really didn't do

0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:08.160
<v Speaker 3>all that much different. They just had a better time.

0:55:08.239 --> 0:55:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Now the cutting edge of offense is have Chris Olave,

0:55:12.080 --> 0:55:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Garrett Wilson, Jackson Smith and Jigla and Trevon Henderson on

0:55:15.160 --> 0:55:17.000
<v Speaker 1>your roster. That's right, I meating edge.

0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:20.160
<v Speaker 3>That is always interesting me to me in recent years

0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:23.480
<v Speaker 3>to look at, you know, look at the top of

0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:26.799
<v Speaker 3>the offensive and defensive rankings, and like the top three

0:55:27.000 --> 0:55:29.680
<v Speaker 3>in offense this year, as you mentioned, Georgia's second, Ohio

0:55:29.680 --> 0:55:33.279
<v Speaker 3>State's first, in Alabama's third, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma's excuse me,

0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:37.120
<v Speaker 3>it's fifth. Only Virginia and Wake Forest among the top

0:55:37.160 --> 0:55:39.560
<v Speaker 3>ones are kind of unique in terms of it's not

0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:43.120
<v Speaker 3>just pure talent that they're up there. But you've got Wisconsin, Iowa,

0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:48.400
<v Speaker 3>Oklahoma State, San Diego State, Houston, Cincinnati, Minnesota had an

0:55:48.400 --> 0:55:51.319
<v Speaker 3>awesome defense this year. In c State had a much

0:55:51.320 --> 0:55:55.560
<v Speaker 3>better defense this year. It feels like the tactical, the

0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:58.279
<v Speaker 3>interesting tactics are kind of on the defensive side right now,

0:55:58.320 --> 0:56:01.520
<v Speaker 3>and it's just we'll see if better quarterbacks next year.

0:56:02.160 --> 0:56:03.200
<v Speaker 3>You know that's all that.

0:56:04.040 --> 0:56:06.240
<v Speaker 2>Bill, Let's get you out of here on this. Obviously,

0:56:06.320 --> 0:56:09.040
<v Speaker 2>the news of the week has been coach movement, coach

0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Hiringslincoln Riley and Brian Kelly and most recently Marcus Freeman

0:56:13.640 --> 0:56:17.040
<v Speaker 2>and Sunny Dykes and Brenton Brown. I think you could

0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:18.480
<v Speaker 2>go on until you're blue in the face.

0:56:18.719 --> 0:56:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Jerry Kill, Jerry Kill, Thank you Mexico State.

0:56:22.120 --> 0:56:25.080
<v Speaker 2>When we hear that a guy gets hired, people tend

0:56:25.120 --> 0:56:28.920
<v Speaker 2>to react very subjectively as fans, and I'm assuming you

0:56:28.960 --> 0:56:31.960
<v Speaker 2>do as well. You're a fan at heart. However, Bill,

0:56:32.560 --> 0:56:37.920
<v Speaker 2>you built this amazing thing, this marvel of college football science,

0:56:37.960 --> 0:56:41.080
<v Speaker 2>the sp plus, and so you have a lens that

0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:44.200
<v Speaker 2>you view college football through that most of us really

0:56:44.200 --> 0:56:48.520
<v Speaker 2>aren't privy to. How do you program that thing to

0:56:48.600 --> 0:56:52.200
<v Speaker 2>react to new coaches? How does that thing reprogram you

0:56:52.320 --> 0:56:55.560
<v Speaker 2>as a fan when it comes to reacting to new coaches?

0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:58.160
<v Speaker 2>How are you doing this week? Is I guess what

0:56:58.200 --> 0:56:58.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm asking?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think overall, like leaving us P plus out

0:57:03.360 --> 0:57:07.360
<v Speaker 3>of it for a second. I think generally I hate

0:57:07.360 --> 0:57:11.120
<v Speaker 3>being wrong about the same thing twice, whatever this situation is.

0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:13.440
<v Speaker 3>And so you know, I try to learn when I

0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:15.399
<v Speaker 3>was wrong about this one thing. I try to learn

0:57:15.400 --> 0:57:17.280
<v Speaker 3>from it and understand like, Okay, well maybe the world

0:57:17.320 --> 0:57:20.959
<v Speaker 3>doesn't work that way, and you know, venture through life

0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:25.080
<v Speaker 3>like that. Well, when it comes to coaching changes, it

0:57:25.160 --> 0:57:27.400
<v Speaker 3>takes like two years for you to realize you're wrong

0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:32.240
<v Speaker 3>about everything at least once, because nothing makes sense with

0:57:32.280 --> 0:57:35.440
<v Speaker 3>what who does well in which jobs. Sometimes when you

0:57:35.440 --> 0:57:37.680
<v Speaker 3>think about just all through the years, like Scott Frost

0:57:37.720 --> 0:57:41.200
<v Speaker 3>was an absolute slam dunk, like like the perfect hire

0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:43.440
<v Speaker 3>for Nebraska in every possible way, we're still waiting for

0:57:43.480 --> 0:57:47.360
<v Speaker 3>him to make a bowl. And meanwhile, not that you know,

0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:49.800
<v Speaker 3>I think you know herm Edwards and Mack Brown both

0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:53.520
<v Speaker 3>had some we'll say, regression to the mean seasons this year,

0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:56.800
<v Speaker 3>but they've still done at least a little better overall

0:57:56.880 --> 0:57:59.600
<v Speaker 3>than I think any of us who just were appalled

0:57:59.640 --> 0:58:03.840
<v Speaker 3>by those hires. And I was absolutely appalled by those

0:58:03.880 --> 0:58:07.560
<v Speaker 3>hires and the process that led to them, but done

0:58:07.600 --> 0:58:09.880
<v Speaker 3>better than I expected. So basically at this point, I

0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:13.000
<v Speaker 3>have no like when it comes to quality, I have

0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:15.480
<v Speaker 3>no opinions on any high or whatsoever. It just comes

0:58:15.520 --> 0:58:19.200
<v Speaker 3>down to like process and logic behind the moves and

0:58:19.240 --> 0:58:21.400
<v Speaker 3>all that. And if I understand the logic, then fine,

0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:23.400
<v Speaker 3>like I just I go with it all. And I

0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:26.880
<v Speaker 3>definitely understand the logic of both USC wanting Lincoln Riley

0:58:26.880 --> 0:58:31.320
<v Speaker 3>and Lincoln Riley looking at USC going actually, this would

0:58:31.360 --> 0:58:33.080
<v Speaker 3>make a lot of sense if I took this job

0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:36.840
<v Speaker 3>and taking that job. I can understand the logic of

0:58:37.280 --> 0:58:40.240
<v Speaker 3>LSU wanting Brian Kelly too, although that one seems a

0:58:40.280 --> 0:58:44.400
<v Speaker 3>little more. It would be great to have a reality

0:58:44.440 --> 0:58:48.360
<v Speaker 3>show for your just cameras following around everything that happens

0:58:48.360 --> 0:58:50.600
<v Speaker 3>over the next year with Brian Kelly and LSU.

0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:55.120
<v Speaker 1>But so you basically you need a WSD plus metric.

0:58:55.600 --> 0:58:58.360
<v Speaker 1>You need an evaluating coach hires. You need who's a

0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:01.920
<v Speaker 1>weird shady dude. That's my double USD. It's like if

0:59:01.920 --> 0:59:03.920
<v Speaker 1>you do a homework behind the scenes, like you know,

0:59:03.960 --> 0:59:06.320
<v Speaker 1>out of one hundred, this guy's kind of a ninety seven.

0:59:06.280 --> 0:59:10.360
<v Speaker 3>TP ready terrible process reading, which would have certainly brought

0:59:10.440 --> 0:59:13.120
<v Speaker 3>up or raised some red flags regarding Colorado State Hire

0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:15.320
<v Speaker 3>and Steve A. Dazio a couple of years. As we've

0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:19.600
<v Speaker 3>learned since no but but no, like it's it's hard.

0:59:19.600 --> 0:59:22.080
<v Speaker 3>I end up every single year, I've become like even

0:59:22.200 --> 0:59:24.480
<v Speaker 3>more non committled than before when it comes to you. Yeah,

0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:28.360
<v Speaker 3>maybe maybe it'll work yep, but as far as yeah there,

0:59:28.360 --> 0:59:30.560
<v Speaker 3>but there are numbers here, Like I've always wanted to

0:59:30.560 --> 0:59:33.040
<v Speaker 3>go down this road, and I know there are some

0:59:33.120 --> 0:59:35.480
<v Speaker 3>people out there who do kind of rate coach effects

0:59:35.520 --> 0:59:38.320
<v Speaker 3>and whatnot, and I think there's absolutely value that I've

0:59:38.360 --> 0:59:39.680
<v Speaker 3>never figured out a way to do it that makes

0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:42.560
<v Speaker 3>s P plus better, but I'm open to finding that

0:59:42.600 --> 0:59:45.040
<v Speaker 3>way at some point because the obviously some coaches are

0:59:45.040 --> 0:59:45.680
<v Speaker 3>better than others.

0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:51.760
<v Speaker 2>I know you've written extensively about two things. One when

0:59:51.760 --> 0:59:55.640
<v Speaker 2>you hire a new coach, it's basically a coin flip. Yeah.

0:59:55.680 --> 0:59:59.800
<v Speaker 2>And two when a program fires an offensive guy, they

1:00:00.120 --> 1:00:02.520
<v Speaker 2>to overcompensate and go defense or vice versa.

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<v Speaker 3>Or they fire an angry guy for a nice guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right right. They always kind of go the opposite

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<v Speaker 2>to overcompensate for what they think was wrong. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like there's a lot of value though in that first

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<v Speaker 2>statement with it being a coin flip, because even in

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<v Speaker 2>great circumstances, you know, the Jimmy Lake thing may be

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<v Speaker 2>a great example recently, everybody was gung ho on Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>Lake when he took over that gig at Washington. You

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<v Speaker 2>can't factor in all the off field stuff. Nobody can

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<v Speaker 2>predict that. But obviously that did not work. That was

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<v Speaker 2>sort of disastrous in the end, And it only furthers

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<v Speaker 2>the point that even if it looks great on the surface,

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<v Speaker 2>you just don't know what's going to happen once they

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<v Speaker 2>roll up their sleeves and get in there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think the two things that I have kind

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<v Speaker 3>of that have helped at least helped me form logic

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<v Speaker 3>in my own head about this stuff. The two things.

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<v Speaker 3>There are two conclusions that I've reached over the last

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<v Speaker 3>couple of years. Number one is like, instead of just

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<v Speaker 3>judging the hire based on oh, yeah, that's great, who

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<v Speaker 3>do they hire as coordinators? Yes, and not only especially

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<v Speaker 3>who do they hire as opposite ball coordinators? Because when

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<v Speaker 3>Jimmy Lake was hired, the first thought was, oh, this

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<v Speaker 3>makes perfect. Peterson signed off, He's he's a great recruiter,

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<v Speaker 3>this is going to work out. Oh wait, he hired

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<v Speaker 3>John Donovan.

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<v Speaker 1>That I would like Immediately You're like, yeah, no.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the best I always try to spend things positively.

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<v Speaker 3>The best thing I could think of was like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>he's been in the pros a couple of years, Like

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<v Speaker 3>maybe he's he's maybe he presented a new vision of

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<v Speaker 3>what No. No, Jimmy Lake got hired and decided, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what I want the twenty fifteen pence state offense,

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<v Speaker 3>and he got the pen to twenty fifteen pence state offense.

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<v Speaker 3>And when they got fired after two seasons, so that

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<v Speaker 3>is one thing, like we obviously you don't know everything

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<v Speaker 3>you need to know, but basically you can at least

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<v Speaker 3>figure out like where where's their head at when they're

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<v Speaker 3>hiring these guys. That'll tell you a whole lot. I

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<v Speaker 3>think about how things might go.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially and how quickly they move on, right, which, like,

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<v Speaker 1>so Jimmy Lake had that opportun unity after last year

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<v Speaker 1>and now it's COVID year. Maybe he thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>that's weird, we have potential whatever. David Randa was like, Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't it. This is not it right, Larry Fedora,

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<v Speaker 1>is not it right when.

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<v Speaker 3>You're a first time head coach, right, you haven't made

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<v Speaker 3>these hires before, and maybe to find pretty quickly that

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<v Speaker 3>your logic was flawed. But yeah, LIKEX, it FX it

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<v Speaker 3>quickly and we'll see where we're at. And even like

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<v Speaker 3>Larry Fedora made sense sort of at least on paper,

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't quite the Donovan level what are you seeing

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<v Speaker 3>here kind of thing? Right, it still was it it

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<v Speaker 3>ended up working out terribly.

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<v Speaker 1>Any move that is all I hate anytime I see

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<v Speaker 1>like well, like if somebody were to hire Dan Mullen

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<v Speaker 1>as an offensive coordinator, I don't think it'll work right.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Mullen wants to be a head coach. Dan Mullen

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't called plays in that specific role in a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>And same thing when you hire somebody like Les Miles,

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<v Speaker 1>so you hire somebody like Kevin Sumlin, you're like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>they would rather be at their old job succeeding, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're not, and so this is a consolation job for them.

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<v Speaker 1>How much energy are they putting into their job? Larry

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<v Speaker 1>Fedora would rather be at North Carolina succeed He's not.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I wasn't worried about that. Was basically like he

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<v Speaker 3>just tried to be the Baylor head coach. Ye, He's like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is what I'm used to. I'm going to take

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<v Speaker 3>control of it now.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't work so mine Southeastern Louisiana's coordinator. That's insane.

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<v Speaker 3>So here's my question. By the way, Yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 3>realized I said there are two things, and I've only

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<v Speaker 3>listened one, so I'll do the other really quickly. Heear

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<v Speaker 3>in a second. But here's my question. What does Gary

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<v Speaker 3>Patterson do? Where does he? Is he going to be

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<v Speaker 3>like a Power Conference defensive coordinator somewhere and how amazing

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<v Speaker 3>would that like? I have no idea whether that's a

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<v Speaker 3>great thing or a terrible thing, but what would he

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<v Speaker 3>be like as a P five defensive coordinator?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>He might still be awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>He might be TCU had an all time awful defense

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<v Speaker 1>this year. Yeah for TCU.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I'm I'm willing to believe that that was

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<v Speaker 3>because of talent and depth because last year they were

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<v Speaker 3>awesome and suddenly when everybody has a great defense, suddenly

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<v Speaker 3>they don't. It was just overnight. Like I'm I'm willing

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<v Speaker 3>to believe that it was a talent and depth thing

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<v Speaker 3>and not a he's lost his basketball thing. I could

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<v Speaker 3>be very wrong about that. We'll find out real quick

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<v Speaker 3>whenever he goes somewhere else, but I'm very.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure he should do television. He should be a new

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<v Speaker 1>coworker of Bill Time.

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<v Speaker 3>He would be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be would be he has a personality, he's smart,

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<v Speaker 1>he's engaging. I think that's the move.

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<v Speaker 3>So the other thing, real quick, just so I can

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<v Speaker 3>you know, bug me, if the circle remains, let's do

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<v Speaker 3>it open. The other thing I've learned over the last

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<v Speaker 3>few years is judge the school, not judge the school

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<v Speaker 3>making the higher, and not the higher itself. That explained

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<v Speaker 3>Scott Frost or Nebraska to a certain degree. They've they've

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<v Speaker 3>struggled to make a couple good hires. They're just they're

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<v Speaker 3>in a really weird place. And therefore Scott Frost probably

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<v Speaker 3>inherited a bad situation, just as Oklahoma has made two

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<v Speaker 3>bad hires in seventy years. They just lost Lincoln Riley.

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<v Speaker 3>They're probably fine. Yeah, And you know it makes when

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<v Speaker 3>I frame things like this, it makes the Lincoln Riley

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<v Speaker 3>move really interesting in that he's leaving his school where

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<v Speaker 3>everybody succeeds. Yep, He's going to a school that's made

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<v Speaker 3>one successful higher in forty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct. I mentioned that on a Q and A show

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<v Speaker 1>that like. Here is the full list of coaches who

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<v Speaker 1>have worked out in the modern era at USC and

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<v Speaker 1>other worldly charismatic super Bowl Championship coach the it yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean he's still like it's easy to see how Riley

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<v Speaker 3>could absolutely kick fuck here, but it is. It was

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<v Speaker 3>easy to see how Scott Frost was going to turn

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<v Speaker 3>things around in Nebraska too. It just really the number,

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<v Speaker 3>like Ohio State hasn't made a bad hire since before

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<v Speaker 3>World War Two, Like Woody Hayes, Earl Bruce was still

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<v Speaker 3>awesome even if he wasn't wood But we.

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<v Speaker 1>Can have a John Cooper conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, but once he reached there, he got really high

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<v Speaker 3>and should have probably won a national title in ninety right,

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<v Speaker 3>but even he was, he was still a good hire.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing right, right, he wasn't home but yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 3>Russell urban mind. Like nobody has failed at Ohio State

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<v Speaker 3>really by any like reasonable measure since before World War Two.

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<v Speaker 3>They're probably fine if Ryan Day leaves for the Pros,

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<v Speaker 3>but then, yeah, USC is weird. Texas is extremely.

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<v Speaker 2>So hold on, does this mean that it's some future

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<v Speaker 2>state We're going to have a column on the sp

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<v Speaker 2>plus spreadsheet for athletic directors or just like e squoozers

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<v Speaker 2>or recruiting intangibles.

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<v Speaker 3>I do think like if I was ever to come

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<v Speaker 3>up with a good way to adjust for like when

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<v Speaker 3>you when you change coaches, Like one of the ways

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<v Speaker 3>is just going to be like when a coach leaves,

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<v Speaker 3>where you above your historical average, where you below your

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<v Speaker 3>historical average, because you're probably going to start regressing towards

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<v Speaker 3>that average with the next guy. I mean, maybe you

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<v Speaker 3>make an even better higher, but maybe you don't, so

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<v Speaker 3>chances are revert to form and that'll be kind of

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<v Speaker 3>interesting to see if I can ever figure that one out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fair enough on that note, Tye Bill, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>as always. Yeah, this has been illuminating. I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any tennis questions because the season is over, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure ty has some sort of question on like a

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<v Speaker 1>nine year old Salvadoran kid who has dual citizenship and

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<v Speaker 1>is the twenty thirty six World Cup going to reflect

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<v Speaker 1>the America's dedication to the cause, and so this is

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<v Speaker 1>the floor? Is yours?

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<v Speaker 2>Tie? No, I was just gonna ask you, what's Christian

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<v Speaker 2>Polisic's best position? Get any thoughts on that?

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<v Speaker 3>Man? Yeah, no, I I feel like he's better in

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<v Speaker 3>the middle, like he's obviously a good winger, but I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like he's like one of his best assets is

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<v Speaker 3>his vision, and like he's got the speed technically when

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<v Speaker 3>he's got too healthy legs at least to do well

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<v Speaker 3>on the outside. I like his vision more than anything else.

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<v Speaker 3>And it seems to me that that vision, you're in

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<v Speaker 3>those half spaces, if you're in the middle, you're in

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<v Speaker 3>zone fourteen. I think they call it like that. That

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<v Speaker 3>seems to maybe be the best place for him in

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<v Speaker 3>my view. You disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not expect that answer, but I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a reason to really disagree, because you know a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more about he showed his work.

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<v Speaker 3>He did show now, Yeah, not like center forward, more

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<v Speaker 3>like just the attacking midfield behind the center forward in

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<v Speaker 3>the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, his name is Bill Connolly. Find his

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<v Speaker 2>work out at ESPN dot com. Bill, it's always pleasure

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<v Speaker 2>to have you here talking all things college football. Enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>the final weekend of the season. Hopefully we can get

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of sleep, a little bit more rest. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>as we move forward, I know we're excited about that,

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<v Speaker 2>but we absolutely will talk soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you again.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely all right, Dan, there you go, Bill C stopping

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<v Speaker 2>on by giving us his take on the Weekend. Bill

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<v Speaker 2>c always always a fan of chaos, always looking for

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<v Speaker 2>chaos wherever he can find. It. Has been trying to

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<v Speaker 2>will two thousand and seven back into existence since the

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<v Speaker 2>start of the year. I don't know if we quite

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<v Speaker 2>got to those same levels that was pretty extreme in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and seven, but it has been the most

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<v Speaker 2>chaotic year college football that we've seen in quite some time.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>Follow it's been. It's been a terrific year, which is

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<v Speaker 1>why I've been a big proponent of just give the

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<v Speaker 1>national championship to Georgia and let's figure out four other

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<v Speaker 1>teams to have just a wide open, nonsense playoff. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>get Cincinnati, Michigan, Alabama, Oklahoma State in and like, let's

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<v Speaker 1>see what happens and just really reward Georgia, who is

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<v Speaker 1>unquestionably the best team in the country. Why prove it?

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<v Speaker 1>This is so we have leagues that do this. EPL

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<v Speaker 1>does this.

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<v Speaker 2>Right in that circumstance, who does Georgia play if everybody

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<v Speaker 2>else is playing bowl games? Does Georgia play the Jets?

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<v Speaker 2>Who would they square.

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<v Speaker 1>Off those four teams? Georgia's the national champion and we

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<v Speaker 1>just give them a trophy and they have a parade

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<v Speaker 1>in Athens, and that's that they've earned it. You win

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<v Speaker 1>the SEC against Alabama, which is their final challenge, and

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<v Speaker 1>they've left no doubt. They beat everybody by seventeen twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four to thirty eight points that they haven't had close calls.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm good with just awarding them. You could also say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they all wait the winner of the four team playoff

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<v Speaker 1>that I just mentioned, right, They sit on their high

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<v Speaker 1>and mighty throne in Indianapolis has all great thrown are

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<v Speaker 1>and they await whoever comes out of Michigan. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>they would in this instance already play Alabama. So whoever

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<v Speaker 1>that team is Michigan, Notre Dame, Cincinnati, Oklahoma State. Kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I do like the idea of defeating the final boss

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<v Speaker 2>of college football, Nick Saban, and then just getting something

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<v Speaker 2>like you have now won the thing, whatever that thing is.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's play the music. Let's do that.

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<v Speaker 1>They get the Mario whistle, they can travel through time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, well right in solid verbal at gmail

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<v Speaker 2>dot com, let us know your thoughts on yes what

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<v Speaker 2>transpires this weekend. Also, don't forget to give us a

1:10:31.840 --> 1:10:35.679
<v Speaker 2>phone call. At four zero eight Verbal one your last

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<v Speaker 2>weekend for a while. Maybe we'll open it up during

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<v Speaker 2>the National Championship. Four oh eight Verbal one is the reverbline.

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<v Speaker 2>Our guy Dylan cuts those together, mixes them down into

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<v Speaker 2>a three and a half four minute segment that we

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<v Speaker 2>play every Sunday morning as part of our recap show.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got eleven games on tap this weekend starting tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>as many of you listen to this on a Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>to games nine more on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>We forgot one thing, it's Is it not the Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Pepper tuition throw weekend?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow?

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if it's all the championship games.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well they used to only do the big twelve game,

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<v Speaker 2>I think. And then I don't know if they found

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<v Speaker 2>they've expanded, they found more marketing budget or what I

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<v Speaker 2>what I enjoy about the whole fun I'd say, throw underhand,

1:11:24.880 --> 1:11:27.000
<v Speaker 2>get that money however you can. And I know some

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<v Speaker 2>people are like, it goes against the spirit of throwing

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<v Speaker 2>a football.

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<v Speaker 1>To throw a football, I don't care. I'm here to win.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing that always doesn't rub me the wrong way,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's always just a little cheeky is like, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you get a scholarship to go to college? You

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<v Speaker 1>get good grades, maybe you have a really tough life

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<v Speaker 1>and you have good grades and you know you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have the money or whatever. I think that's all terrific.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are all terrific candidates to receive scholarship money to college.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. Doctor Pepper says, Look, we understand you've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten terrific grays, You've got this story, and it's been

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<v Speaker 1>really difficult for you to pay for college. We are

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<v Speaker 1>going to put up one last obstacle for you this money.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going to put you through a series of

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<v Speaker 1>challenges on National TV. Doctor Tremper, of course, has all

1:12:20.680 --> 1:12:22.880
<v Speaker 1>of the money in the world where they could just

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<v Speaker 1>give these candidates. They could just like two finalists, they

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<v Speaker 1>have this exhibition and they do whatever. But they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have to defeat Andrea from El Paso in

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<v Speaker 1>order to get this money. And we understand you want

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<v Speaker 1>to go into robotics. Hopefully you can throw these footballs

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<v Speaker 1>into a ginta flatable soda cant to realize your dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>WHOA is it a fun odd message. It's a great,

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<v Speaker 1>great cause that with the obstacle. You're like, look, you've

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<v Speaker 1>done everything in your ability to get this money. There

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<v Speaker 1>is why more challenge. In front of the world in HD,

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<v Speaker 1>in front of ninety three thousand people at Jerry World,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna have to ask you to throw footballs into

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<v Speaker 1>a fourteen foot soda can in many ways for our entertainment.

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<v Speaker 1>In many ways, it's noble, but at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>it's man, can we just kill him the cash? Can

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<v Speaker 1>we just he wants to Andrew wants to study robotics? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>oh god. I always think about that. I always think

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<v Speaker 1>about that. Doctor Pepper's like, we have the money, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to earn it. I always have that line

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<v Speaker 1>of thinking. I'm just like, could they just spend one

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<v Speaker 1>fifty instead of seventy five?

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<v Speaker 2>Just give them the money.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just give them. They just write it off, man,

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't need us. It's a rounding error to

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Pepper. This month the big lunch and the CEO

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<v Speaker 1>is there. I'mware with like the giant novelty check or

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<v Speaker 1>some representative of doctor Pap Borrow was like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>you've passed the challenge. You're now now you can now

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<v Speaker 1>study mathematics.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Always, that's always my thought. I'm like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>that the hoops that these these two worthy people have

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<v Speaker 1>gone through to get to this point. And yet still yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. Every year, a lifetime of academic achievement crystallized down

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<v Speaker 2>into one ninety second.

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<v Speaker 1>It says here, it says here, you have a four

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<v Speaker 1>point two and you took eight AP classes. You just

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<v Speaker 1>I get it that you don't. College is expensive. It's

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<v Speaker 1>more expensive than ever. So no, no, you're not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>take a time.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you feel about throwing a football through a hoop?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? The soda can the soda can challenge. That's where

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<v Speaker 1>we are.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all all right, Dan, this has been fun. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you to one and all for bearing with us this week.

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<v Speaker 2>A busy week at college football. We'll see if it

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