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Speaker 3: And Dan and Tie.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the salid verbal Boys and girls. My

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Speaker 2: name is ty Hildenbrand. That guy over there, the one,

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Speaker 2: the only still being comparable, Dan Rubinstein, thank you for

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Speaker 2: coming back to our college football podcast.

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Speaker 1: Dan. Yeah, how you doing. I'm pretty good all things considered.

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Speaker 1: You know, Thanksgiving has coming gone. Stomach is feeling great. Great.

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Speaker 1: My coach at my school, which is not my coach

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Speaker 1: or my school, but I attended there. I'm gonna alumnus.

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Speaker 1: He's still there. I mean by the time this is released.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he took fourteen million dollars from Miami or something.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. But you know, in these wild days

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Speaker 1: and these carousel days, stability is not the worst thing.

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Speaker 2: The coaching carousel, as I like to say, has been

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Speaker 2: spinning ever so chaotically. We will get into some of

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Speaker 2: the breaking news on that front. We have done three

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Speaker 2: live streams in the span of about ninety six hours. Dan,

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Speaker 1: Dam Yeah, it was a terrific show today. I I

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Speaker 2: Beep beep, beep beep on its last leg. Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: per reports, per numerous reports, it's gonna be Marcus Freeman.

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Speaker 1: I felt good. I'm always enthusiastic. I try to be

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Speaker 2: Because there's been some anecdotal evidence along the way. Right,

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Speaker 1: So you're saying there may have been Nate the Great

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Speaker 1: As somebody who pays attention to Notre Dame where they're like,

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Speaker 1: Florida should talk to Marcus Freeman. Alice, you should talk

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Speaker 1: Was his name coming up in really big head coaching

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there were no shortage of programs that would have

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Speaker 2: Maybe that was Marcus Freeman all along. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I love it. I mean I love that you love it.

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Speaker 2: I love every single solitary bit of this hire. I

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Speaker 2: I love that they're keeping Tommy Reese now a show

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Speaker 1: YouTube hit the YouTube channel. We're going live with big news.

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Speaker 2: shall we get to our guest of honor. I would

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Speaker 2: love to joining us. Now, we're old buddy from ESPN

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm very good? How are you? I'm very tired. Let's

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Speaker 3: not let's be real here. Yeah, we're yeah, we're ready

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Speaker 3: to to wrap this up a little bit. But I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: Poor us. We watch college football and talk about it professionally.

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Speaker 1: Please pity our struggles.

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Speaker 3: And I am very excited though about this weekend. This

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Speaker 1: The thinking fans for some and that thinking fan is

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Speaker 3: and he was great and then you know, the right

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Speaker 3: down and scored on Kentucky. But that was it. And

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously Alabama's defense is good, obviously Alabama. Obviously

436
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Speaker 3: Alabama is good, but they've showed just enough glitches on

437
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Speaker 3: offense of late that are are are they going to

438
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Speaker 3: be able to score enough or keep Georgia down enough

439
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Speaker 3: to actually makes Detson minutes score in the second half.

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Speaker 1: This is an Alabama team, by the way. I mean

441
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Speaker 1: I mentioned the underlying numbers about how successful they can

442
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Speaker 1: be that if Georgia beats then they're likely not even

443
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Speaker 1: in this playoff barring some sort of crazy crazy stars aligning.

444
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Speaker 1: Who is the team that seems likely to be in

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Speaker 1: the playoff that can force those higher leverage drives and

446
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Speaker 1: second halves. In your mind, both from what you've seen

447
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Speaker 1: with your eyes and what your your numbers dictate, well,

448
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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 3: I guess the most likely answer is nobody, but you

450
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Speaker 3: could see of the ones we're talking about, I mean Michigan.

451
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Speaker 3: Michigan's basically Georgia liked, right. I mean, they play very, very,

452
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Speaker 3: very good defense. They want to run the ball as

453
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Speaker 3: much as you'll let them. They can throw on they

454
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Speaker 3: can catch back up to the chains, they can catch

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Speaker 3: back up on passing downs. And I think they've done

456
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Speaker 3: a really nice job this year with Kay McNamara of

457
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 3: just sort of slowly opening the playbook as they've gone along.

458
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Speaker 3: It was really safe early in the year. They've added

459
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Speaker 3: responsibility as the year's gone on, and he's responded. So

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Speaker 3: theoretically they just might be good enough to do it.

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Speaker 3: It worries me that they really are basically Georgia with

462
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Speaker 3: four stars as opposed to five stars, and you know,

463
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Speaker 3: it's hard to find actual matchup advantages they have. They're

464
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Speaker 3: just almost as good as Georgia had everything, but not

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Speaker 3: as good as them at anything. But that could be

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Speaker 3: interesting just because they're a really good team. Cincinnati and

467
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Speaker 3: Oklahoma State could both force a lot of mistakes too.

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Speaker 3: If they can force turnovers eertly and somehow and get

469
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Speaker 3: some easy points on the board one way or the other,

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Speaker 3: that could make things pretty interesting for a while at

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Speaker 3: least by how I think the most likely answer is

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Speaker 3: nobody if Alabama can't do it.

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State is a fascinating team because we usually find

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Speaker 1: them to be a program with a pretty high floor

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Speaker 1: that they're going to win eight plus games most if

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Speaker 1: not every year. But it is interesting that traditionally speaking,

477
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Speaker 1: it has been the offense leading the way, in these

478
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Speaker 1: past couple of years it has been defense leading the way.

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Speaker 1: Is this an Oklahoma State team in your mind that

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Speaker 1: has outperformed and over at cheat or you know, if

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Speaker 1: it were another year, are they going ten and two,

482
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Speaker 1: nine and three? But the stars align in a certain

483
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Speaker 1: way this year? What is I mean now that you

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Speaker 1: have twelve games of data on Oklahoma State, what is

485
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Speaker 1: your read on the Pokes?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think basically, first six seven games they were

487
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Speaker 3: prety well first they started six and oh they were

488
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Speaker 3: pretty lucky obviously, you know twenty three sixteen against Missouri

489
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Speaker 3: State twenty eight, twenty three against tulsaverely beat Boise, and

490
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Speaker 3: Boise wasn't very good early in the year, so clearly,

491
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Speaker 3: I mean they've they've had a good defense all year,

492
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Speaker 3: but that offense was just not doing nearly enough, and

493
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Speaker 3: so they were really lucky to get to about four

494
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Speaker 3: and oh. But once they lost, and they really should,

495
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Speaker 3: I mean, that was a straight toss up at I

496
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Speaker 3: would say they easily could have won that game, but

497
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Speaker 3: once they lost, they came home and like they found

498
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Speaker 3: another gear. Since then, you know, fifty five three against

499
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Speaker 3: a Kansas team that improved against everybody else, twenty four

500
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Speaker 3: to three against West Virginia sixty three seventeen TCU, they've

501
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Speaker 3: been a playoff team I think over the last five games,

502
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,479
Speaker 3: or at least like top six or eight, right, So

503
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Speaker 3: it does feel like now they're legit. They were not

504
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Speaker 3: legit early in the year, but they survived enough that

505
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Speaker 3: they were able to, you know, buy time and find

506
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Speaker 3: another gear and now they're a very very good team.

507
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Speaker 2: Bill how do you handicap the matchup then against Baylor?

508
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Speaker 2: This is obviously a rematch, right we saw it earlier

509
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Speaker 2: in the year. Oklahoma State won that game by ten.

510
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Speaker 2: It was a matchup in which Spencer Sanders threw three picks,

511
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Speaker 2: and I said on our preview show that that version

512
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Speaker 2: of Spencer Sanders the inconsistent What do we expect from him?

513
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Speaker 2: Version of Spencer Sanders, that's the version we've seen the

514
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Speaker 2: most over the last three years. Now. Obviously in Bedlam

515
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Speaker 2: he looked incredible. Which version do you expect to see

516
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Speaker 2: against Baylor? The version we saw a couple of weeks ago,

517
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Speaker 2: or maybe this was two picks with two picks right right.

518
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Speaker 3: Like that was the thing, and like even last week,

519
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, he's doing such a good job playing

520
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 3: with them them so oh that was a terrible pass.

521
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 3: They just baded it right into that interception. He's basically

522
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 3: two horrible plays a game he's going to continue to make,

523
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Speaker 3: and if you can make them pay for that, it's

524
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Speaker 3: going to be really hard for them to win. Although

525
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Speaker 3: then again, they just beat Oklahoma while handing them sixteen points,

526
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Speaker 3: which was almost more impressive than just beating Oklahoma. They

527
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Speaker 3: like they completely fell apart for eight minutes and then won. Anyway, Well,

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Speaker 3: I mean the thing about Baylor is in that first game,

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Speaker 3: the reason Oklahoma State won anyway, was because Baylor had

530
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Speaker 3: two good offensive plates, Like they had two plays the

531
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Speaker 3: game ninety nine yards and their other fifty whatever snaps

532
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Speaker 3: game I think one hundred and eighty two if I

533
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Speaker 3: remember right, Like, they just completely shut down Baylor, and

534
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Speaker 3: that was a Baylor team that had a healthy Jerry

535
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Speaker 3: Bohannon in charge, and so like, I don't know, I

536
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Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, I think the way Baylor wins

537
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Speaker 3: this game is by taking full advantage of the Sanders' mistakes,

538
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 3: keeping the game close, and then just making things, you know,

539
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 3: things get weird at the end, and they at the bounces.

540
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 3: They're clearly a really good team. They're not what are

541
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Speaker 3: they eight or ninth in the playoff rankings, They're not

542
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 3: that good on paper, but they're a top twenty team

543
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 3: on paper with a top fifteen or twenty defense. So

544
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Speaker 3: they they're just a good team and that, you know,

545
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Speaker 3: that's how they win is by being a good team

546
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Speaker 3: that takes advantage of the other team's mistakes. I think

547
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Speaker 3: it's not that you know, s PPLUS has it as

548
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Speaker 3: like a one or two point game. I think I

549
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Speaker 3: think the trends certainly favor Oklahoma State. The s PPLs

550
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Speaker 3: ratings take those early season games into account. They don't

551
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Speaker 3: know that Bohannon's hurt. You know, obviously, you know, things

552
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 3: kind of point in Oklahoma State's direction in that regard,

553
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: but it's still really close to being a toss up

554
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Speaker 3: fair enough.

555
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Speaker 1: And when you look at teams, I mean, Oklahoma State

556
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: is obviously the team that is the best example of

557
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: being able to survive mistakes and win comfortably or just

558
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Speaker 1: win at all. And you mentioned, I think you had

559
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Speaker 1: a couple of tweets yesterday about Iowa and their ability

560
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Speaker 1: to win games without quarterback play, without it average quarterback play,

561
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Speaker 1: the absence of quarterback play. So you can talk about Iowa,

562
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Speaker 1: but who else this year? Because this has been like

563
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Speaker 1: a pet phrase of ours of winning your clunkers, right,

564
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Speaker 1: winning despite down performances. And you have you know, when

565
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Speaker 1: you have a metric that looks at coaches who have

566
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Speaker 1: the ability to win losable games, who are the teams

567
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Speaker 1: this specific season that have been the best at winning

568
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Speaker 1: losable games?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean Oklahoma States certainly, you know, put that

570
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Speaker 3: bar set that bar pretty high early in the year

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Speaker 3: at the very least. That's interesting. I'm pulling up here's

572
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Speaker 3: where I pull up spreadsheets.

573
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Speaker 1: On a pun and please do it the most. This

574
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Speaker 1: is what we look before that.

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Speaker 3: My my second order win total number is something we

576
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: talk about sometimes where it's basically, you know that post

577
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Speaker 3: game win expectancy, how frequently you would you have won

578
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 3: this game with these specific stats. You know, you add

579
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Speaker 3: that up and it pretty much tells you who's pretty

580
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Speaker 3: fortunate to be where they are? You best coaches in America? Yeah,

581
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Speaker 3: or luckiest. It takes a lot to separate those two.

582
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: But like UTSA was extremely lucky to get to eleven

583
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,479
Speaker 3: and out, they s P plus views them as more

584
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Speaker 3: of like an eight win team. They won a couple

585
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 3: of games they really probably shouldn't have, and then suddenly,

586
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: like regressing to the meme, just destroyed them all at once.

587
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: Wake Force is another team like that. You know, obviously

588
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 3: their offense has been really good, their defense just hasn't

589
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: shown up sometimes, but they've managed to get to ten

590
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: and two all the same. Fifth on the list is Iowa.

591
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 3: Looks like an eight and four team on paper, but

592
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Speaker 3: they've gone ten and two because of those early runs

593
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Speaker 3: of turnovers. Most interesting team, well, I don't know about

594
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Speaker 3: most interesting, but I've gotten yelled at a bunch this year,

595
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: which isn't new, but I've gotten yelled at a bunch

596
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 3: this year by Utah State fans.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say that was my team that

598
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Speaker 1: in previewing the game, like, oh, they beat a bunch

599
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Speaker 1: of good teams by like two points a game, right,

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Speaker 1: bad teams? Excuse me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, their second order. Let's see, so that postgame expectancy

602
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 3: number they won. Let's see, they beat Washington State in

603
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: the first game of the year. Their postgame went expectancy

604
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: was twenty four percent. On paper, it looked like a

605
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: six point loss at Air Force. They they beat air Force,

606
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: which won them the division. Postgame went expectancy twenty two percent.

607
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: They beat Colorado State the famous blow the field goal

608
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,959
Speaker 3: attempt at the end and then blame the players for

609
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: it moment of the season. Utah State won that game

610
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Speaker 3: twenty six twenty four with a four percent postgame expectancy.

611
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Speaker 3: So they've been mostly awesome over the last five weeks.

612
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 3: They're still crazy vollattle because they have no offensive consistency.

613
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 3: It's just how many big plays do they generate. They

614
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: suddenly generated none against Wyoman and got their doors blown off,

615
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Speaker 3: But otherwise they have risen in SPPLUS over the last

616
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Speaker 3: five weeks, but they just the SPPLUS basically views them

617
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 3: as a six and six team that accidentally went nine

618
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 3: to three. That is certainly the biggest range of the year,

619
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Speaker 3: and I can kind of explain it. It makes it

620
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: a hard game to figure out this weekend because I mean,

621
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Speaker 3: if they make two big plays, they get destroyed. But

622
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Speaker 3: if they make five or four even, they absolutely have

623
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Speaker 3: a chance against San Diego State and their non offense.

624
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: So it's a tricky It makes them hard to predict,

625
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 3: but they do seem like they've been extremely fortunate to

626
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Speaker 3: get to nine and three.

627
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Speaker 2: Dan brought up Iowa and the absence of quarterback play.

628
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Speaker 2: It is hard to see them winning a big game

629
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Speaker 2: without a I guess competent quarterback situation, let's say. But

630
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Speaker 2: as we've been discussing it, though I do that's all

631
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: they do.

632
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: That's not the Hawkeye way.

633
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Speaker 2: As we've been discussing it is the Hawkey way. Ten

634
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: and two, Yeah, regardless of how it looks on paper,

635
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: ten and two is the final tally They're going up

636
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: against Michigan this weekend. Iowa was calling card early as

637
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: basically just a half team that plays really good defense,

638
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: creates turnovers, and gives its offense a short feat has

639
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: been creating those mistakes. Michigan doesn't really make that many mistakes, right.

640
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: That's been one of the reasons why they've been having

641
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: as good of a year as they have. They're in

642
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: the top thirty thirty five nationally in terms of turnover margin.

643
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: If Michigan goes out there and plays its game and

644
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: does not do anything stupid, is there a path for

645
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Speaker 2: Iowa to win this game.

646
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Speaker 3: It does feel like they need to. I mean, at

647
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: the very least, they need to be on the plus

648
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: side of the turnover margin, and if they're not, they

649
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 3: just have to create those extra possessions basically, like they

650
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: can Michigan into just kind of a rock fight. I

651
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 3: don't think Michigan mine's taking its time pulling ahead of

652
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: teams by any means. Like they're the Rutgers game earlier

653
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: this year. They're better than they were that obviously, but

654
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 3: they're still like they can be kind of sucked into

655
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: a very plotting, Oh wow, it's already halftime and it's

656
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: seven to three kind of game, And so that's part

657
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: of it is just I mean, they they won't need

658
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: to like create it a bunch of breaks early, they

659
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: just need they can probably take their time doing it.

660
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's hard if they're not in the positive

661
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: turnover margin, if they don't get at least one easy touchdown. However,

662
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 3: that turnover or random play action bomb or whatever, it

663
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 3: does feel like, you know, Iowa basically defines the game

664
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: for you. You have to play their game. They're going

665
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: to play their softs, their their their zone defense. They're

666
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 3: going to trick you. They're going to run the ball

667
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: and punch. Even though they don't run the ball well,

668
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 3: they're going to do it a lot. And they just

669
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: basically hope that their quarterback makes two good plays instead

670
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: of zero. But they make you play that way. They

671
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: make you settle for shorter passes, they make you take

672
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 3: your time, and it makes guys, it makes teams uncomfortable. Sometimes.

673
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: I don't think it'll make Michigan uncomfortable, but it could still.

674
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 3: I could still certainly see it be in a situation

675
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: where all they need is one or two bounces and

676
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 3: they're right there at the end.

677
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: By the way, I feel as if with Iowa, you

678
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: can just if you if if I were to give

679
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: you or you anybody was to give anybody a number

680
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: of like how many combined awesome plays do Tyler Goodson

681
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: and Charlie Jones account?

682
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: Right?

683
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: Is it more than four and a half? I was

684
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: probably gonna win?

685
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 3: Yeah?

686
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: Is it fewer? Not likely?

687
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was crazy. Just the you know, the tweets

688
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 3: that we were talking about over the last two years,

689
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: they are if their quarterback rating is higher than one

690
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 3: hundred and one hundred is terrible. Like not for the year.

691
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 3: The worst quarterback rating for a team is Yukon at

692
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 3: ninety two. One hundred is a terrible passer rating. If

693
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 3: they are over one hundred, they're fourteen and one over

694
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 3: the last two seasons. Like that's where the bar is.

695
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 3: They just have to And it's so frustrating because one hand,

696
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 3: you're like, wow, that's it's amazing that they they've crafted

697
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 3: an identity that doesn't require a five star quarterback. They're

698
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 3: gonna win games. It's just so cool. And then at

699
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: the same time you're like, what if you just tried

700
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 3: for decent quarterback play? Yeah, Like how much would you

701
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 3: really have to change to just if you could just

702
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 3: figure out to be decent at the quarterback position. How

703
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: many games would you win?

704
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: Is there another Farans that he can hire? Was there

705
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: like a Sharon Farrens.

706
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 3: That was their funny conversations that was happening, And I

707
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 3: mentioned was you know this is if they would just

708
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: fire Brian Farns, is like, well, then they'd bring in

709
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 3: John Donovan or something, it wouldn't change.

710
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: Well, and it goes back to the argument that we've

711
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: made on this show. You know, over the years with Oklahoma,

712
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: much different team, much different circumstance. But if Oklahoma could

713
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 2: just get marginally better on defense like some of the

714
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: some of the teams over the last five years, think

715
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 2: how much better those teams would have fared come playoff time,

716
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: come Bowl time.

717
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: And it's funny too because last year they got there,

718
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 3: but they got there after they had already lost twice, right,

719
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 3: and so they weren't even they weren't part of the conversation.

720
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 3: But that was the highest level that I think he

721
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 3: achieved was the second half of last season, where they'd

722
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: already been eliminated from the race altogether. Which actually, now

723
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: that we're thinking about it, that's Iowa stored to last year.

724
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 3: They lost their first two games of the year by

725
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: like four combined points or whatever, and then they had

726
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: a great offense for most of the rest of the year.

727
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 3: They ended up like tenth and sp plus, but again

728
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: they had already lost twice and it didn't matter. And

729
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: then this year they do much better overall, within much

730
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 3: worse offense. Because this all makes perfect sense.

731
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 2: So Bill, talk to me about something here. Okay, we

732
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: have done more interviews than I could probably ever count,

733
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 2: and all along the way, given your intense passion for

734
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: college football, your eye on the analytics and all things

735
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 2: scientific in the game, you have had a I think

736
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 2: deep love for a group of five teams. We're finally

737
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: at the point now or a group of five team

738
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati appears that it controls its own destiny with

739
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: regard to the playoffs. We've arrived here, and what I've

740
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: found very interesting is all the folks along the way

741
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: who have been proponents of chaos and we want to

742
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: break the system. Now that Cincinnati is on the doorstep,

743
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: a lot of the same people are out there like

744
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 2: they're not good enough. We should probably give it to

745
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 2: Ohio State instead, Like where are you at with Cincinnati?

746
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: How good are they? Does Houston have a realistic shot

747
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: of beating Cincinnati. Do you want to see Cincinnati win? Like,

748
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 2: where are you at with this whole argument about the Bearcats.

749
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, all I can say is in the

750
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 3: NSP plus, which is tempo and opponent adjusted and conference adjusted.

751
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 3: That was one of the big changes I made a

752
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: couple of years ago, like basically, how you know your

753
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 3: how your house price is affected by your neighborhood. It

754
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 3: kind of you know, the overall conference you reside in

755
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 3: moves you up and down, and the AAC is not

756
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 3: very good this year, so just by the company they

757
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: have to keep until they moved to the Big twelve,

758
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: it's kind of dragging them down a little bit. And

759
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: they're fit overall in SP plus. I don't know, I

760
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: don't remember where the highest ranked Boise State and TCU

761
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 3: teams were a decade ago before they moved or before

762
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 3: TCU moved, But since that I was fifth, they're they're

763
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 3: barely behind Michigan. And this is with that conference effect

764
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: in place. They physically destroyed Notre Dame in October. They

765
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 3: now Coaches kind of hate when when a mid major

766
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 3: makes a run like this, because you know, Cincinnati like

767
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 3: openly took a month off, basically after the note, after

768
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 3: the UCF game, and they go up to touchdowns and

769
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 3: just coast as long as humanly possible. Didn't show anything

770
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 3: that isn't something that like an Alabama gets to do. Well,

771
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 3: that's not a good example, but you know a more

772
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 3: mortal team gets to do in a power conference. So

773
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 3: you want to complain about that, that's fine. But everything

774
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 3: we've actually seen from Cincinnati is when they're in a

775
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 3: situation where they have to hit the gas, they hit

776
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: the freaking gas. And they matched up physically with Georgia

777
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 3: last year and they're really, really, really good. I just

778
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 3: I have no problem whether the road was hard enough,

779
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: Like we can talk about that if we want to,

780
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 3: But what we've actually seen on the field is that

781
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 3: they're a really good football team. That's aid Houston COMPETI

782
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 3: them because Houston is suddenly a top thirty team too,

783
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 3: and Houston top thirty teams beat top five teams all

784
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 3: the time. But that well occasionally, and they have a

785
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 3: defense that forces tons of mistakes and it's super aggressive,

786
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 3: and they feel like a very good underdog candidate and.

787
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: They but they bring a ton of pressure. Dan and

788
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: I both had trouble on our Wednesday preview show, trusting

789
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 2: the offense.

790
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a pretty inconsistent offense. They can make

791
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 3: some big plays, but they go three and out a

792
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 3: lot in Cincinnati forces a ton of three and outs,

793
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 3: and you figure that alone tilts the field enough to where,

794
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 3: unless unless Desmond Redder throws three picks or you know,

795
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: the sack and strips get involved or whatever, it's going

796
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 3: to be really hard for Houston to win. They absolutely

797
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 3: have a chance because they are a good team too.

798
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing that's sort of hard to parse or

799
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: hard to explain or hard to put into context because

800
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: you just never have time when you're trying to defend

801
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: teams or put down other teams' performance or whatever. Cincinnati

802
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: was a Power Conference team. They are not considered a

803
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: Power Conference team anymore, a Power Conference program because of

804
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: the way the sport realigned a decade ago or twelve

805
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: years ago, whatever. But they were in the Big East.

806
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: They went undefeated, They've played in major bowl games. They

807
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: attract like top thirty ish forty ish type classes that

808
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: are comparable to like pit Virginia Tech. Right, Like, they're

809
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: not a cute story right from top to bottom, they're

810
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: just not from top to bottom. They're a power program.

811
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: They just happened to play in a conference that's not

812
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: considered to be for I mean, justifiably so in some instances,

813
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: a power conference. And so that's hard to sort of

814
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: say quickly when talking about the program, right, Yeah, No,

815
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: that hit me earlier this year, and it made me

816
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: really mad, like we're openly punishing them for their for

817
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: their week schedule when a they.

818
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: Didn't choose to have any schedule, Like that's what That's

819
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 3: one of the parts that always like they scheduled how

820
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: they were supposed to a non conference. They can't control

821
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 3: how good the AAC is. But then with cincinnat it

822
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: was doubly infuriating because they didn't even do anything to

823
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 3: merit being in a group of five conferences to begin with,

824
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 3: they were two years before realignment. They almost made the

825
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: national title game. Like if Colt McCoy's passed flick flutters

826
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 3: in the air for another half second, where was that

827
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: stand in tent wherever that game was? Then Cincinnati plays

828
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 3: for the national time. They get whooped in the national

829
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: title game, but they still play for the national title.

830
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 3: And then two years later or three years later or whatever.

831
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 3: They're a mid major team and that's just and then

832
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 3: we punish them for it when they're actually really good.

833
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 3: So the whole thing is obviously really, really frustrating. And

834
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 3: hopefully they can, hopefully they can actually make the playoff.

835
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: And hopefully they can, you know, they've already acquitted themselves

836
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 3: well enough to be a playoff team, but hopefully with

837
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 3: the world watching and ready to judge them and say, well,

838
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 3: I knew they weren't there all along, then hopefully they

839
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: played really well.

840
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,479
Speaker 1: And to bring it full circle, to be clear, Brian

841
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: Kelly abandoned that team. Major Bowl game parallels.

842
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 3: Here, we got we got the ten year anniversary of

843
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 3: Oklahoma State barely missing it. We've got Cincinnati, We've got

844
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 3: Brian Kelly coming in in a weird way.

845
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: It's a it's a circle of life, Yeah, circle of life.

846
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is what I was gonna ask about, just

847
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: because they are this and I don't know what it is.

848
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I have some concept of what

849
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: it is, but they are this team that's not spoken of,

850
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: and maybe it's the loss of Cincinnati, and maybe it's

851
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: the assumption that, like, well, they're not going to jump

852
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: Cincinnati basically no matter what happens, unless I guess Cincinnati

853
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: gets truly blown out by Houston. But Notre Dame is

854
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: a team that I mean, in my eyes, that I've

855
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: watched that the back half of their season, and Ty

856
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: has been adamant about this. They've just been a different

857
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: team since that. I mean, all things considered pretty tough

858
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: early road, right, having the defenses that they had early on.

859
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: Is Notre Dame in the same way that Oklahoma State

860
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: has turned it on the back half? Is it? In

861
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: your view and your estimation, is Notre Dame a team

862
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: who got better or did their schedule get better these

863
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: last six games?

864
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: Yes? This is one of the ways that like a

865
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: postgame went expectancy kind of thing can help too, because yeah,

866
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 3: I mean their last four games weregans teams NSP plus

867
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 3: ranked one oh five, fifty ninety four and one o

868
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: four like not good. Only Virginia is is decent in

869
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: that bunch, but they're but they completely and totally dominated

870
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: in the way that a top five team would in

871
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 3: those games. And that's of course, after you know, beating

872
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 3: North Carolina. Obviously North Carolina is sort of a mess

873
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 3: to but they still beat the North Carolina in USC

874
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 3: and they the stats suggested that they should have beaten

875
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech by far more than three. They very much

876
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: controlled that game. It's been it's been funny. So you know,

877
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 3: you know on Twitter at some point, you know, anytime

878
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 3: you say something that turns out wrong, somebody's gonna dunk

879
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 3: on you for it. And that's fine. I'm wrong a lot.

880
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 3: But the thing I've gotten, you know, dunked on the

881
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: most this year is in I think the Notre Dame

882
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: preview over the Summer, the Indies preview over the sum

883
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: I said, like, the middle stretch of their season from Wisconsin, Cincinnati,

884
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech, USC North Carolina is an incredible run that

885
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 3: even a good team would lose a game or two

886
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 3: on and it's going to be really tough for them.

887
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 3: I've gotten dunked on NonStop for that, and I don't understand,

888
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 3: like I stopped responding because that's like, but hey, they

889
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 3: did lose a game that lost to Cincinnati in that stretch.

890
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: I was definitely wrong about Virginia Tech USC being I

891
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 3: thought they'd be much better than they were, and that's fine.

892
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 3: They also almost lost to Florida State in Toledo to

893
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: start the year, which I also didn't predict. So it's

894
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 3: been it's been strange, but I mean, you know, dunk away.

895
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: But either way, no, I at this point in the year,

896
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 3: obviously we don't know what the Brian Kelly leaving thing

897
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 3: is going to do exactly, but they have I think,

898
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 3: like Oklahoma State, they've played like a top five or

899
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: so team over the last four or five six games,

900
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 3: and I think they would acquit themselves pretty well. They

901
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 3: made the playoff.

902
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: Who is underachieved not the teams that obviously that were

903
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: expected for whatever reason to be really good. But I

904
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: know the Nebraska is the obvious to hear because of

905
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: the defense they field it. But I would argue, and

906
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: I have argued, this Nebraska certain performs like a three

907
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: and nine team at the end of game exactly, and

908
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: so their record is actually who they are right like

909
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: they are an actual bad team. They do things, they

910
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: do certain things that good teams do, but the difference

911
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: is they are happy to have the appearance of a

912
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: non bowl team for large swaths of their game.

913
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 3: Three quarters, they're a top twenty team and right in

914
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter they're a bottom twenty team.

915
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: Which which is exactly what bad teams do. So they

916
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: are a bad team. I don't want to hear about

917
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: Nebraska being like the best three and nine team. They're

918
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: just another three and nine team.

919
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: They are, however, the best three and nine team.

920
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: Who in your mind, and this could actually be good

921
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: teams who should have been great, but who in your

922
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: mine didn't get their act together in ways that they

923
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: should in ways that they performed. We were like, yeah,

924
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,959
Speaker 1: I know, they went nine and three, like Penn State

925
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 1: to me is an example of that. Like the distance

926
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: from Penn State going seven and five to ten and

927
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: two is so absurdly slim that it makes me think, oh, no,

928
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: they are a seven and five team because they did

929
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: what seven and five teams should do to not go

930
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: ten and two.

931
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously with Clifford that Penn State's hard

932
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: to talk about exactly because it sure seemed like they

933
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 3: were about to win the Iowa game, to take complete

934
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 3: control of the Iowa game when he got hurt. They don't.

935
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 3: If he can actually you know, move his legs, he

936
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: probably they probably don't lose to Illinois. That was pretty

937
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: easy to just you know, quarterback injuries. Therefore, their record

938
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: wasn't as good as it was supposed to be obviously,

939
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 3: you know, I guess Clifford wasn't one hundred percent against

940
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 3: Michigan and Michigan State. But either way, they still figured

941
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 3: out ways to drop points in those games that they

942
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 3: didn't have to, even you know, with Clifford being limited.

943
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 3: So they still, even with Clifford being limited, they should

944
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 3: have probably been at eight and four, nine and three

945
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 3: team and they blew it. But but they're certainly on

946
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 3: the list. Mississippi State's an interesting one of me. They

947
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 3: when they looked good, they looked awesome, but their defense

948
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 3: kind of dropped the ball down the stretch, you know,

949
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 3: thirty plus their last three conference games. It was a

950
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 3: really really good defense there for a while, and it

951
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: kind of started to stumble a little bit. I thought,

952
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 3: right when I started thinking that, you know, this team

953
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 3: could be, like, could go to a different level down

954
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 3: the stretch, they did the opposite, right, So that felt

955
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 3: like a team that had an opportunity for more than

956
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: just seven and five and didn't get it. Let's see, not.

957
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: That weird ability by the way, to go down like

958
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: twenty four to ten every week and they're like, well,

959
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,439
Speaker 1: they're either going to storm back and win this game

960
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: by eleven or they're going to lose this game by thirty.

961
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 3: Right, We're very used to to no lead being safe

962
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: in a Mike Leach game matter what, but certainly had

963
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: that feel as well. One tim I wish had a

964
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 3: different non conference schedule because we'd had an opportunity to

965
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 3: talk about them a lot more. Is Western Kentucky like

966
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 3: they even when they were losing in non conference you

967
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 3: can tell, like man, once they start playing like for

968
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 3: like here, it's gonna be. But they barely lose to Army,

969
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 3: They barely lose to Indiana. They I mean, they lost

970
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: by seventeen to the Michigan State, but Michigan State could

971
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 3: not keep them down. They continued to score and score

972
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 3: and move the ball. But then as soon as they

973
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 3: start one and three, they'd lose that narrow game to UTSA.

974
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 3: And they have just laid waste to everybody else in

975
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 3: Conference USA since then. And it would surprise me if

976
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 3: they didn't destroy UTSA or at least win comfortably. On

977
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 3: Is that Friday or Saturday? That's Saturday?

978
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: I think Friday night, Yeah, Friday, It is Friday night.

979
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: Friday night, so yeah, that one.

980
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: I'm really if they just had a pretty kky non conference,

981
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 3: they'd be like ten and two or eleven and one,

982
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 3: and Bailey Zappi would have like an six hundred yards

983
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 3: and he'd be at like you'd have a legit chance

984
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 3: at six thousand for the season if they hadn't. Because

985
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: that's such a fun story, well fun for everybody who

986
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 3: is a Houston Baptist. I guess we are kind of Hey,

987
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 3: did they just destroyed this football player and Houston Baptist

988
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 3: by by the good offensive coordinator and all the good

989
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: players leaving that kind of songs? Yes, but it was

990
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 3: great for Western Kentucky.

991
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: It's great. I mean, he was on this show. He

992
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: was great. He like what they were able to do.

993
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: And I'll be surprised if that doesn't happen more. I

994
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: don't have FCS rankings in front of me or I know,

995
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: like Southeastern Louisiana had a great year, like we can

996
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: talk it. I'll truth be told. This is I'm gonna

997
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: put my cards on the table here. Oregon is gonna

998
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: be hiring a new offensive coordinator right and I couldn't

999
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: find somebody in the Western footprint that I loved and like,

1000
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: I don't want Mario Chris Ball to hire like Dan

1001
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: Mullin or Tom Herman because their names and they'll recruit

1002
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: Like I don't want that. And so it's like, Okay,

1003
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: who is the next like woonderkinned Chip Kelly, Mike Yer Sich,

1004
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: who's that guy? I don't you know, Like I know

1005
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: Eastern Washington fired their offense or he resigned at some

1006
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: point during the season. I know Southeastern Louisiana is good.

1007
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: I think Dan Hawkins might have a guy at UC Davis. Like,

1008
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: are there like coordinators on the G five level FCS

1009
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: level where you're just like, hey, hey, Bill Sie's telling

1010
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: you in late twenty twenty one, keep an eye open.

1011
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: So here in the same way that Houston Baptist had

1012
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: that dude who now affecting wins.

1013
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 3: Here here are some names to write down for you

1014
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 3: to google afterwards. Done so, Yes, the in the offensive

1015
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 3: sp plus rankings for FCS right now, Southeastern Louisiana is

1016
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 3: number one, yeah, and number one ten in defense, which

1017
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 3: is also fun. Eastern Washington is number two and eighty

1018
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 3: seventh in defense.

1019
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: Is that is that Cole Kelly at Kelly guy six?

1020
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: He's a power forward playing quarterback.

1021
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and he gets James Madison this weekend, which

1022
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 3: could actually be kind of cool. Yeah. That's Eastern Washington,

1023
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 3: Montana and Southeastern Louisiana and James Madison too. Just bangers

1024
00:50:59,200 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 3: at the FCS.

1025
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 2: Love.

1026
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a lot of fun. Incarnate word is

1027
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 3: another one there. Third, Okay, Sanford is fourth. We saw

1028
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 3: what Sandford's capable of true true a couple of weeks

1029
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 3: ago on so on Saturday, Missouri State, I don't remember.

1030
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 3: I think they have a young up and.

1031
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: Cover at quarter just a nobody.

1032
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember what his name is, Robert something something, Yeah,

1033
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 3: Robert something. So yes in Missouri State was fifth, South

1034
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 3: Dacost State six. That guy is not going anywhere, but

1035
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 3: Western Illinois is another one. So I just write these

1036
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 3: now down. We can we can talk D two and

1037
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: D three afterward if you want.

1038
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: Man, I just don't Victorio's going deep. I think Mario's

1039
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: just gonna hire. He's gonna pay Jeff Grimes or something

1040
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: and they'll be yeah yeah.

1041
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, which yeah, because I mean he really doesn't like

1042
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 3: fun all that much.

1043
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: No, he's going to run what he wants to run,

1044
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 1: and then the offensive coordinator gets some third down wrinkles.

1045
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 3: They're still going to be very good and a little

1046
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 3: bit frustrating because you think they could be a little

1047
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 3: better and a little more fun. But they're kind of

1048
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: when you got top five classes, you can do that.

1049
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 1: That's true. I don't know if I had. I'm trying

1050
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: to remember, like what I was curious about heading into

1051
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: this interview. I'm just looking across the sport. I just

1052
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out. I always like putting things

1053
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: into a bucket and into a box and the closest

1054
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: I can get to this season, and maybe you have

1055
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: thoughts on this is it's kind of in the year

1056
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: of the backup quarterback or lack thereof, Right, it's kind

1057
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: of been like a lot of these powers either turned

1058
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: to a backup quarterback and he helped them keep winning

1059
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: even if he wasn't great, like Baylor with Blake Shapin

1060
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: or something like that, or the backup quarterback wasn't at

1061
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: all ready, or there just wasn't anybody behind there. Obviously,

1062
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: Stetson Bennett highlights this phenomenon. Ye, is there anything that

1063
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: you see as cohesive now that we have the regular

1064
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: season done? With about the twenty twenty one season.

1065
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 3: It is hard with the number of important quarterback issues

1066
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 3: teams had. And it's funny too because you think back

1067
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 3: to August what we might have been talking about then

1068
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 3: about how like everybody returns everybody and so many teams

1069
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 3: have experienced quarterbacks but Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State don't.

1070
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 3: We don't know about Georgia yet. Like technically that kind

1071
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 3: of summary was bang on for what a lot of

1072
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 3: what we've seen, but I think the way it unfolded

1073
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 3: was in no way what we expected to see just

1074
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 3: when these issues popped up or who they popped up for.

1075
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 3: But that has been interesting, I do think because quarterback

1076
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 3: plays has dropped off. I mean I saw the total

1077
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 3: QBR this morning, Like nobody's above ninety this year, and

1078
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 3: at least a few were last year, like CJ. Stroud

1079
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 3: still number one and stetson't ben it's number two right now.

1080
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 3: Because quarterback back play does seem to have dropped off,

1081
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 3: It's hard to tell for sure how much to make

1082
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 3: of the kind of defensive renaissance of certain teams, but

1083
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 3: we've definitely seen two different strains of defense have more

1084
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 3: effective as even against like Patrick Mahomes. You know, teams

1085
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 3: doing a very credible bind, don't break kind of approach

1086
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 3: and tack clean well and keeping things in front of

1087
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: them a lot of obviously that's the big ten way,

1088
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 3: but teams are particularly good at that this year. And

1089
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 3: then you've had the Oklahoma States and Houston's of the

1090
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 3: world figuring out how to generate crazy pressure with outblitz

1091
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 3: in all that much. And you know, Oklahoma State I

1092
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 3: was liking in them to the legion of boom teams

1093
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 3: where they basically dare the refs to call a penalty

1094
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 3: on every single play knowing they won't, which you know,

1095
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 3: is a little on the cynical side, I guess, but

1096
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 3: it is also very effective effective and it's super fun

1097
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,479
Speaker 3: to watch him. They're so physical and just so mean

1098
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 3: and it's and it's really fun. So that is the

1099
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 3: other story, and it's hard to know which one to wait,

1100
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 3: but I do feel like defenses took a nice step forward,

1101
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 3: and it makes sense that Oklahoma State kind of, you know,

1102
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 3: Gundy always wants to be on the like the cutting

1103
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 3: edge of offense, but there is no cutting edge of

1104
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 3: offense this year, and so it kind of accidentally circled

1105
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 3: around and now he's on the defensive side of the

1106
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 3: cutting edge. But that has been the other story. It's

1107
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 3: just yeah, I mean, if quarterback play improves next year,

1108
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 3: maybe we find out that the defenses really didn't do

1109
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 3: all that much different. They just had a better time.

1110
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: Now the cutting edge of offense is have Chris Olave,

1111
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson, Jackson Smith and Jigla and Trevon Henderson on

1112
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: your roster. That's right, I meating edge.

1113
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 3: That is always interesting me to me in recent years

1114
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 3: to look at, you know, look at the top of

1115
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 3: the offensive and defensive rankings, and like the top three

1116
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 3: in offense this year, as you mentioned, Georgia's second, Ohio

1117
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 3: State's first, in Alabama's third, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma's excuse me,

1118
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 3: it's fifth. Only Virginia and Wake Forest among the top

1119
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 3: ones are kind of unique in terms of it's not

1120
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 3: just pure talent that they're up there. But you've got Wisconsin, Iowa,

1121
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 3: Oklahoma State, San Diego State, Houston, Cincinnati, Minnesota had an

1122
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 3: awesome defense this year. In c State had a much

1123
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 3: better defense this year. It feels like the tactical, the

1124
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 3: interesting tactics are kind of on the defensive side right now,

1125
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 3: and it's just we'll see if better quarterbacks next year.

1126
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 3: You know that's all that.

1127
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 2: Bill, Let's get you out of here on this. Obviously,

1128
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: the news of the week has been coach movement, coach

1129
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 2: Hiringslincoln Riley and Brian Kelly and most recently Marcus Freeman

1130
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 2: and Sunny Dykes and Brenton Brown. I think you could

1131
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 2: go on until you're blue in the face.

1132
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: Jerry Kill, Jerry Kill, Thank you Mexico State.

1133
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 2: When we hear that a guy gets hired, people tend

1134
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 2: to react very subjectively as fans, and I'm assuming you

1135
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 2: do as well. You're a fan at heart. However, Bill,

1136
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 2: you built this amazing thing, this marvel of college football science,

1137
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: the sp plus, and so you have a lens that

1138
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 2: you view college football through that most of us really

1139
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: aren't privy to. How do you program that thing to

1140
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 2: react to new coaches? How does that thing reprogram you

1141
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: as a fan when it comes to reacting to new coaches?

1142
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 2: How are you doing this week? Is I guess what

1143
00:56:58,200 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 2: I'm asking?

1144
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 3: Well, I think overall, like leaving us P plus out

1145
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 3: of it for a second. I think generally I hate

1146
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 3: being wrong about the same thing twice, whatever this situation is.

1147
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 3: And so you know, I try to learn when I

1148
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 3: was wrong about this one thing. I try to learn

1149
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 3: from it and understand like, Okay, well maybe the world

1150
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,959
Speaker 3: doesn't work that way, and you know, venture through life

1151
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 3: like that. Well, when it comes to coaching changes, it

1152
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 3: takes like two years for you to realize you're wrong

1153
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 3: about everything at least once, because nothing makes sense with

1154
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 3: what who does well in which jobs. Sometimes when you

1155
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 3: think about just all through the years, like Scott Frost

1156
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 3: was an absolute slam dunk, like like the perfect hire

1157
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 3: for Nebraska in every possible way, we're still waiting for

1158
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 3: him to make a bowl. And meanwhile, not that you know,

1159
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 3: I think you know herm Edwards and Mack Brown both

1160
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 3: had some we'll say, regression to the mean seasons this year,

1161
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 3: but they've still done at least a little better overall

1162
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 3: than I think any of us who just were appalled

1163
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 3: by those hires. And I was absolutely appalled by those

1164
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 3: hires and the process that led to them, but done

1165
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 3: better than I expected. So basically at this point, I

1166
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 3: have no like when it comes to quality, I have

1167
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 3: no opinions on any high or whatsoever. It just comes

1168
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 3: down to like process and logic behind the moves and

1169
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 3: all that. And if I understand the logic, then fine,

1170
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 3: like I just I go with it all. And I

1171
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 3: definitely understand the logic of both USC wanting Lincoln Riley

1172
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 3: and Lincoln Riley looking at USC going actually, this would

1173
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 3: make a lot of sense if I took this job

1174
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 3: and taking that job. I can understand the logic of

1175
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 3: LSU wanting Brian Kelly too, although that one seems a

1176
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 3: little more. It would be great to have a reality

1177
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 3: show for your just cameras following around everything that happens

1178
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 3: over the next year with Brian Kelly and LSU.

1179
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: But so you basically you need a WSD plus metric.

1180
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: You need an evaluating coach hires. You need who's a

1181
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: weird shady dude. That's my double USD. It's like if

1182
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: you do a homework behind the scenes, like you know,

1183
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: out of one hundred, this guy's kind of a ninety seven.

1184
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 3: TP ready terrible process reading, which would have certainly brought

1185
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 3: up or raised some red flags regarding Colorado State Hire

1186
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 3: and Steve A. Dazio a couple of years. As we've

1187
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 3: learned since no but but no, like it's it's hard.

1188
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 3: I end up every single year, I've become like even

1189
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 3: more non committled than before when it comes to you. Yeah,

1190
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 3: maybe maybe it'll work yep, but as far as yeah there,

1191
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 3: but there are numbers here, Like I've always wanted to

1192
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 3: go down this road, and I know there are some

1193
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 3: people out there who do kind of rate coach effects

1194
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 3: and whatnot, and I think there's absolutely value that I've

1195
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 3: never figured out a way to do it that makes

1196
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 3: s P plus better, but I'm open to finding that

1197
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 3: way at some point because the obviously some coaches are

1198
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 3: better than others.

1199
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 2: I know you've written extensively about two things. One when

1200
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 2: you hire a new coach, it's basically a coin flip. Yeah.

1201
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 2: And two when a program fires an offensive guy, they

1202
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 2: to overcompensate and go defense or vice versa.

1203
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 3: Or they fire an angry guy for a nice guy.

1204
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right. They always kind of go the opposite

1205
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 2: to overcompensate for what they think was wrong. I feel

1206
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 2: like there's a lot of value though in that first

1207
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: statement with it being a coin flip, because even in

1208
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 2: great circumstances, you know, the Jimmy Lake thing may be

1209
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 2: a great example recently, everybody was gung ho on Jimmy

1210
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: Lake when he took over that gig at Washington. You

1211
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 2: can't factor in all the off field stuff. Nobody can

1212
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 2: predict that. But obviously that did not work. That was

1213
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 2: sort of disastrous in the end, And it only furthers

1214
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 2: the point that even if it looks great on the surface,

1215
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: you just don't know what's going to happen once they

1216
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 2: roll up their sleeves and get in there.

1217
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the two things that I have kind

1218
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 3: of that have helped at least helped me form logic

1219
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 3: in my own head about this stuff. The two things.

1220
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 3: There are two conclusions that I've reached over the last

1221
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 3: couple of years. Number one is like, instead of just

1222
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 3: judging the hire based on oh, yeah, that's great, who

1223
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 3: do they hire as coordinators? Yes, and not only especially

1224
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 3: who do they hire as opposite ball coordinators? Because when

1225
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 3: Jimmy Lake was hired, the first thought was, oh, this

1226
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 3: makes perfect. Peterson signed off, He's he's a great recruiter,

1227
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 3: this is going to work out. Oh wait, he hired

1228
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 3: John Donovan.

1229
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: That I would like Immediately You're like, yeah, no.

1230
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 3: Like the best I always try to spend things positively.

1231
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,439
Speaker 3: The best thing I could think of was like, well,

1232
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 3: he's been in the pros a couple of years, Like

1233
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 3: maybe he's he's maybe he presented a new vision of

1234
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 3: what No. No, Jimmy Lake got hired and decided, you

1235
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 3: know what I want the twenty fifteen pence state offense,

1236
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 3: and he got the pen to twenty fifteen pence state offense.

1237
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 3: And when they got fired after two seasons, so that

1238
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 3: is one thing, like we obviously you don't know everything

1239
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 3: you need to know, but basically you can at least

1240
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 3: figure out like where where's their head at when they're

1241
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 3: hiring these guys. That'll tell you a whole lot. I

1242
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 3: think about how things might go.

1243
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: Especially and how quickly they move on, right, which, like,

1244
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: so Jimmy Lake had that opportun unity after last year

1245
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: and now it's COVID year. Maybe he thought it was

1246
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: that's weird, we have potential whatever. David Randa was like, Nope,

1247
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: this isn't it. This is not it right, Larry Fedora,

1248
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: is not it right when.

1249
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 3: You're a first time head coach, right, you haven't made

1250
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 3: these hires before, and maybe to find pretty quickly that

1251
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 3: your logic was flawed. But yeah, LIKEX, it FX it

1252
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 3: quickly and we'll see where we're at. And even like

1253
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 3: Larry Fedora made sense sort of at least on paper,

1254
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 3: it wasn't quite the Donovan level what are you seeing

1255
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 3: here kind of thing? Right, it still was it it

1256
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 3: ended up working out terribly.

1257
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: Any move that is all I hate anytime I see

1258
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: like well, like if somebody were to hire Dan Mullen

1259
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: as an offensive coordinator, I don't think it'll work right.

1260
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: Dan Mullen wants to be a head coach. Dan Mullen

1261
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: hasn't called plays in that specific role in a long time.

1262
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: And same thing when you hire somebody like Les Miles,

1263
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: so you hire somebody like Kevin Sumlin, you're like, look,

1264
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: they would rather be at their old job succeeding, and

1265
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: they're not, and so this is a consolation job for them.

1266
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: How much energy are they putting into their job? Larry

1267
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: Fedora would rather be at North Carolina succeed He's not.

1268
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't worried about that. Was basically like he

1269
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 3: just tried to be the Baylor head coach. Ye, He's like,

1270
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 3: this is what I'm used to. I'm going to take

1271
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 3: control of it now.

1272
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: It didn't work so mine Southeastern Louisiana's coordinator. That's insane.

1273
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 3: So here's my question. By the way, Yeah, and I

1274
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:18,919
Speaker 3: realized I said there are two things, and I've only

1275
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 3: listened one, so I'll do the other really quickly. Heear

1276
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 3: in a second. But here's my question. What does Gary

1277
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 3: Patterson do? Where does he? Is he going to be

1278
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 3: like a Power Conference defensive coordinator somewhere and how amazing

1279
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 3: would that like? I have no idea whether that's a

1280
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 3: great thing or a terrible thing, but what would he

1281
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 3: be like as a P five defensive coordinator?

1282
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1283
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 3: He might still be awesome.

1284
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: He might be TCU had an all time awful defense

1285
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah for TCU.

1286
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm I'm willing to believe that that was

1287
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 3: because of talent and depth because last year they were

1288
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Speaker 3: awesome and suddenly when everybody has a great defense, suddenly

1289
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Speaker 3: they don't. It was just overnight. Like I'm I'm willing

1290
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 3: to believe that it was a talent and depth thing

1291
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 3: and not a he's lost his basketball thing. I could

1292
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 3: be very wrong about that. We'll find out real quick

1293
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 3: whenever he goes somewhere else, but I'm very.

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01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: Sure he should do television. He should be a new

1295
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: coworker of Bill Time.

1296
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 3: He would be fun.

1297
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: That would be would be he has a personality, he's smart,

1298
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: he's engaging. I think that's the move.

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Speaker 3: So the other thing, real quick, just so I can

1300
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 3: you know, bug me, if the circle remains, let's do

1301
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 3: it open. The other thing I've learned over the last

1302
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 3: few years is judge the school, not judge the school

1303
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 3: making the higher, and not the higher itself. That explained

1304
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 3: Scott Frost or Nebraska to a certain degree. They've they've

1305
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 3: struggled to make a couple good hires. They're just they're

1306
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 3: in a really weird place. And therefore Scott Frost probably

1307
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 3: inherited a bad situation, just as Oklahoma has made two

1308
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 3: bad hires in seventy years. They just lost Lincoln Riley.

1309
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 3: They're probably fine. Yeah, And you know it makes when

1310
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 3: I frame things like this, it makes the Lincoln Riley

1311
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 3: move really interesting in that he's leaving his school where

1312
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 3: everybody succeeds. Yep, He's going to a school that's made

1313
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 3: one successful higher in forty years.

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Speaker 1: Correct. I mentioned that on a Q and A show

1315
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: that like. Here is the full list of coaches who

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01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: have worked out in the modern era at USC and

1317
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: other worldly charismatic super Bowl Championship coach the it yeah,

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01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: and I.

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Speaker 3: Mean he's still like it's easy to see how Riley

1320
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 3: could absolutely kick fuck here, but it is. It was

1321
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 3: easy to see how Scott Frost was going to turn

1322
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 3: things around in Nebraska too. It just really the number,

1323
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 3: like Ohio State hasn't made a bad hire since before

1324
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 3: World War Two, Like Woody Hayes, Earl Bruce was still

1325
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 3: awesome even if he wasn't wood But we.

1326
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: Can have a John Cooper conversation.

1327
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 3: Right, but once he reached there, he got really high

1328
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 3: and should have probably won a national title in ninety right,

1329
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 3: but even he was, he was still a good hire.

1330
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: Nothing right, right, he wasn't home but yeah, totally.

1331
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 3: Russell urban mind. Like nobody has failed at Ohio State

1332
01:05:55,880 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 3: really by any like reasonable measure since before World War Two.

1333
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 3: They're probably fine if Ryan Day leaves for the Pros,

1334
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 3: but then, yeah, USC is weird. Texas is extremely.

1335
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 2: So hold on, does this mean that it's some future

1336
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 2: state We're going to have a column on the sp

1337
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 2: plus spreadsheet for athletic directors or just like e squoozers

1338
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 2: or recruiting intangibles.

1339
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 3: I do think like if I was ever to come

1340
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,439
Speaker 3: up with a good way to adjust for like when

1341
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 3: you when you change coaches, Like one of the ways

1342
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 3: is just going to be like when a coach leaves,

1343
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 3: where you above your historical average, where you below your

1344
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 3: historical average, because you're probably going to start regressing towards

1345
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 3: that average with the next guy. I mean, maybe you

1346
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 3: make an even better higher, but maybe you don't, so

1347
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 3: chances are revert to form and that'll be kind of

1348
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 3: interesting to see if I can ever figure that one out.

1349
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough on that note, Tye Bill, thank you

1350
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: as always. Yeah, this has been illuminating. I don't have

1351
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: any tennis questions because the season is over, and I'm

1352
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: sure ty has some sort of question on like a

1353
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: nine year old Salvadoran kid who has dual citizenship and

1354
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: is the twenty thirty six World Cup going to reflect

1355
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: the America's dedication to the cause, and so this is

1356
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: the floor? Is yours?

1357
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 2: Tie? No, I was just gonna ask you, what's Christian

1358
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 2: Polisic's best position? Get any thoughts on that?

1359
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 3: Man? Yeah, no, I I feel like he's better in

1360
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 3: the middle, like he's obviously a good winger, but I

1361
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 3: feel like he's like one of his best assets is

1362
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 3: his vision, and like he's got the speed technically when

1363
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 3: he's got too healthy legs at least to do well

1364
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 3: on the outside. I like his vision more than anything else.

1365
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 3: And it seems to me that that vision, you're in

1366
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 3: those half spaces, if you're in the middle, you're in

1367
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 3: zone fourteen. I think they call it like that. That

1368
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 3: seems to maybe be the best place for him in

1369
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 3: my view. You disagree.

1370
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 2: I did not expect that answer, but I don't have

1371
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 2: a reason to really disagree, because you know a lot

1372
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 2: more about he showed his work.

1373
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 3: He did show now, Yeah, not like center forward, more

1374
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 3: like just the attacking midfield behind the center forward in

1375
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 3: the middle.

1376
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 2: All right, Well, his name is Bill Connolly. Find his

1377
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 2: work out at ESPN dot com. Bill, it's always pleasure

1378
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,479
Speaker 2: to have you here talking all things college football. Enjoy

1379
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 2: the final weekend of the season. Hopefully we can get

1380
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 2: a little bit of sleep, a little bit more rest. Yes,

1381
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 2: as we move forward, I know we're excited about that,

1382
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,719
Speaker 2: but we absolutely will talk soon.

1383
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: Thank you again.

1384
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, Dan, there you go, Bill C stopping

1385
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 2: on by giving us his take on the Weekend. Bill

1386
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 2: c always always a fan of chaos, always looking for

1387
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 2: chaos wherever he can find. It. Has been trying to

1388
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 2: will two thousand and seven back into existence since the

1389
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 2: start of the year. I don't know if we quite

1390
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 2: got to those same levels that was pretty extreme in

1391
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, but it has been the most

1392
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 2: chaotic year college football that we've seen in quite some time.

1393
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 2: Just a lot of.

1394
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: Follow it's been. It's been a terrific year, which is

1395
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: why I've been a big proponent of just give the

1396
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 1: national championship to Georgia and let's figure out four other

1397
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: teams to have just a wide open, nonsense playoff. Let's

1398
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: get Cincinnati, Michigan, Alabama, Oklahoma State in and like, let's

1399
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 1: see what happens and just really reward Georgia, who is

1400
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: unquestionably the best team in the country. Why prove it?

1401
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: This is so we have leagues that do this. EPL

1402
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 1: does this.

1403
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 2: Right in that circumstance, who does Georgia play if everybody

1404
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,799
Speaker 2: else is playing bowl games? Does Georgia play the Jets?

1405
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 2: Who would they square.

1406
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: Off those four teams? Georgia's the national champion and we

1407
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: just give them a trophy and they have a parade

1408
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: in Athens, and that's that they've earned it. You win

1409
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: the SEC against Alabama, which is their final challenge, and

1410
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: they've left no doubt. They beat everybody by seventeen twenty

1411
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: four to thirty eight points that they haven't had close calls.

1412
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: So I'm good with just awarding them. You could also say, okay,

1413
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: they all wait the winner of the four team playoff

1414
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: that I just mentioned, right, They sit on their high

1415
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: and mighty throne in Indianapolis has all great thrown are

1416
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: and they await whoever comes out of Michigan. I mean

1417
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 1: they would in this instance already play Alabama. So whoever

1418
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: that team is Michigan, Notre Dame, Cincinnati, Oklahoma State. Kind

1419
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:10,639
Speaker 1: of thing.

1420
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 2: I do like the idea of defeating the final boss

1421
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 2: of college football, Nick Saban, and then just getting something

1422
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 2: like you have now won the thing, whatever that thing is.

1423
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 2: Let's play the music. Let's do that.

1424
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 1: They get the Mario whistle, they can travel through time.

1425
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well right in solid verbal at gmail

1426
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 2: dot com, let us know your thoughts on yes what

1427
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 2: transpires this weekend. Also, don't forget to give us a

1428
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 2: phone call. At four zero eight Verbal one your last

1429
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 2: weekend for a while. Maybe we'll open it up during

1430
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 2: the National Championship. Four oh eight Verbal one is the reverbline.

1431
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 2: Our guy Dylan cuts those together, mixes them down into

1432
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 2: a three and a half four minute segment that we

1433
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: play every Sunday morning as part of our recap show.

1434
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 2: We've got eleven games on tap this weekend starting tonight,

1435
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,759
Speaker 2: as many of you listen to this on a Friday,

1436
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 2: to games nine more on Saturday.

1437
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: We forgot one thing, it's Is it not the Doctor

1438
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:07,759
Speaker 1: Pepper tuition throw weekend?

1439
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:08,919
Speaker 2: Oh wow?

1440
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's all the championship games.

1441
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 1: I know it's a lot of them.

1442
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 2: Well they used to only do the big twelve game,

1443
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 2: I think. And then I don't know if they found

1444
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 2: they've expanded, they found more marketing budget or what I

1445
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,799
Speaker 2: what I enjoy about the whole fun I'd say, throw underhand,

1446
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 2: get that money however you can. And I know some

1447
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 2: people are like, it goes against the spirit of throwing

1448
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:30,480
Speaker 2: a football.

1449
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 1: To throw a football, I don't care. I'm here to win.

1450
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: The thing that always doesn't rub me the wrong way,

1451
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: But it's always just a little cheeky is like, how

1452
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: do you get a scholarship to go to college? You

1453
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: get good grades, maybe you have a really tough life

1454
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: and you have good grades and you know you don't

1455
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 1: have the money or whatever. I think that's all terrific.

1456
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: Those are all terrific candidates to receive scholarship money to college.

1457
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 1: I like that. Doctor Pepper says, Look, we understand you've

1458
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: gotten terrific grays, You've got this story, and it's been

1459
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 1: really difficult for you to pay for college. We are

1460
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 1: going to put up one last obstacle for you this money.

1461
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: We are going to put you through a series of

1462
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 1: challenges on National TV. Doctor Tremper, of course, has all

1463
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 1: of the money in the world where they could just

1464
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: give these candidates. They could just like two finalists, they

1465
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: have this exhibition and they do whatever. But they're like,

1466
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to defeat Andrea from El Paso in

1467
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: order to get this money. And we understand you want

1468
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: to go into robotics. Hopefully you can throw these footballs

1469
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: into a ginta flatable soda cant to realize your dreams.

1470
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 1: WHOA is it a fun odd message. It's a great,

1471
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: great cause that with the obstacle. You're like, look, you've

1472
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: done everything in your ability to get this money. There

1473
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: is why more challenge. In front of the world in HD,

1474
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: in front of ninety three thousand people at Jerry World,

1475
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to ask you to throw footballs into

1476
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: a fourteen foot soda can in many ways for our entertainment.

1477
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: In many ways, it's noble, but at the same time,

1478
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: it's man, can we just kill him the cash? Can

1479
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: we just he wants to Andrew wants to study robotics? Yeah,

1480
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: oh god. I always think about that. I always think

1481
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: about that. Doctor Pepper's like, we have the money, you're

1482
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: gonna have to earn it. I always have that line

1483
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 1: of thinking. I'm just like, could they just spend one

1484
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: fifty instead of seventy five?

1485
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 2: Just give them the money.

1486
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: I'll just give them. They just write it off, man,

1487
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 1: and they don't need us. It's a rounding error to

1488
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: Dr Pepper. This month the big lunch and the CEO

1489
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: is there. I'mware with like the giant novelty check or

1490
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 1: some representative of doctor Pap Borrow was like, all right,

1491
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: you've passed the challenge. You're now now you can now

1492
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: study mathematics.

1493
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1494
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 1: Always, that's always my thought. I'm like, oh my god,

1495
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: that the hoops that these these two worthy people have

1496
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: gone through to get to this point. And yet still yeah,

1497
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: that's all.

1498
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 2: Oh. Every year, a lifetime of academic achievement crystallized down

1499
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 2: into one ninety second.

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01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: It says here, it says here, you have a four

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Speaker 1: point two and you took eight AP classes. You just

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Speaker 1: I get it that you don't. College is expensive. It's

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Speaker 1: more expensive than ever. So no, no, you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: take a time.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about throwing a football through a hoop?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? The soda can the soda can challenge. That's where

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Speaker 1: we are.

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Speaker 2: That's all all right, Dan, this has been fun. Thank

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Speaker 2: you to one and all for bearing with us this week.

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Speaker 2: A busy week at college football. We'll see if it

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Speaker 2: settles down at all next week, but in the interim,

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Speaker 2: Can't wait for that guy over there, my good friend

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Speaker 2: Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Ty Hildon Brandt, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for downloading, for listening, for playing along at home.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back at you on Monday.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, stay solid, peace,