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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations.

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Speaker 2: Now it's time to hear from my man, Rashaan McDonald

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Speaker 1: There we go.

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Speaker 3: You, thank you, Thank you everybody for joining us today.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Money Making Conversation Masterclass. As he stated,

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Speaker 3: I'm your host, Rashawn McDonald. Our theme is there is

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Speaker 3: no perfect time to start following your dreams because people

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Speaker 3: always talk about their purpose or gift. If you have

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Speaker 3: your friends, family, or coworkers stop you from planning or

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Speaker 1: My guess on the show.

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Speaker 3: Today is the renowned R and B singer songwriter Kim.

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Speaker 3: For all of his life, Kim has always been driven

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Speaker 3: by music and the emotions involved in bringing his music

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Speaker 3: to life. He is now the author of the memoir

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Speaker 3: share My Life. In his book Share My Life, Kim

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Speaker 3: goes back to the very beginning before his music started

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Speaker 3: him to introduce us to his grandmother, who worked as

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Speaker 3: a sharecropper in the South and had thirteen children. His

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Speaker 3: mom always had a beer in a hand, and he

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Speaker 3: had a very intense relationship with his father. Confused and rejected,

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Speaker 3: Kim eventually used drugs and alcohol for relief. He is

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Speaker 3: on the show to discuss this incredible journey, his independent

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Speaker 3: music career, family, and his book, Share My Life. Please

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Speaker 3: welcome to the Money Making Conversation Masterclass, Masterclass, the one

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Speaker 3: and only Kim.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, my brother?

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Speaker 4: I'm good man. How you doing this book?

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Speaker 3: Let's set the table here because it's a great book.

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Speaker 3: I read it from cover to cover and my wife

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Speaker 3: he knows when I was maybe just leave me.

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Speaker 1: Alone and reading this. This is this is this because

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Speaker 1: you had me on the journey.

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Speaker 3: But when I look at who Kim is one platinum

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Speaker 3: selling album, Kim album to two goals selling albums Chemistry INTI,

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Speaker 3: three Grammy nomination, five number one hit singles. Why are

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Speaker 3: you writing this book? Share my life.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me today, brother, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: I wrote this book because any healing and transformation that

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Speaker 4: I have experienced in my life, which has been a

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Speaker 4: great deal experience, because somebody shared their story with me

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Speaker 4: along the way, and somebody was transparent with me. Someone

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Speaker 4: was vulnerable with me. Someone was willing to admit their

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Speaker 4: faults to me, and they're overcoming to me their triumph

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Speaker 4: and the and the tragedy of their lives. They shared

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Speaker 4: those experiences with me and it helped me to transform

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Speaker 4: my life. And I'm hoping that my book does the

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Speaker 4: same for someone else.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know when you because we know one cam,

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Speaker 3: you know you don't have a long relationship through music

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Speaker 3: through Steve Harvey Morning Shore, a lot of events we

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Speaker 3: did together over the years, and when the inspiration behind

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Speaker 3: this book, I knew that version and I can remember

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Speaker 3: when I first met you. I believe it was in

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Speaker 3: Philadelphia at wdas the large outdoor festival, and I just

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Speaker 3: saw this cool, little thin guy come down there with

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Speaker 3: And when I read the book, Kim that wasn't who

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Speaker 3: you were growing up. The confidence wasn't there, the style

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Speaker 3: wasn't there, the grace wasn't there. Talk about that early

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Speaker 4: You know. In the book, I talked about my struggles

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Speaker 4: And people who follow me, you know, just like you. You know,

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Speaker 4: I've shared bits and pieces of the right story throughout

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Speaker 4: the years. This is twenty years, twenty years being signed

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Speaker 4: to the Motown label. It's been two decades since I

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Speaker 1: It's a really interesting book. I'm talking to Kim.

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Speaker 3: His book, Share My Life, a memoir about his life,

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Speaker 3: his struggles as a youth, as a young man, and

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Speaker 3: overcoming the overcoming yourself sometimes when you think about it,

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Speaker 3: because a lot of the things that you did, you

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Speaker 3: yourself and this book, Kim, you know, I'll be honest

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Speaker 3: expecting this interview because you're a very low key guy.

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Speaker 3: You talk about shyness in the book and now you're

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Speaker 3: doing this book tour, this book tour talking about yourself?

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Speaker 3: Is is this is this a therapy in the sense

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Speaker 4: Now, A lot of much of what has been written

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Speaker 4: That's how I'm bearing witness. I'm giving testimony which also

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Speaker 5: All these all these gurus on on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: And you do it inspire because of the fact that,

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Speaker 3: let's put this way, Kim, you're doing things that I

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Speaker 4: Well? Mom is mom is?

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Speaker 4: My mom is? When I talk about Mom. I'm talking

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, you know interesting first of all, and

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Speaker 3: And that is always when you start writing these memoirs,

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Speaker 3: you start evaluating yourself, and you start because you're not

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Speaker 3: just talking about yourself, You're talking about other people.

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Speaker 1: Who have who have journeyed with you now.

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Speaker 1: I wanna be honest with you.

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Speaker 3: I gotta tell everybody let her know when I when

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Speaker 3: Is that that when somebody has as comes into your

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Speaker 1: Kim.

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Speaker 3: When you started putting together chemistry, you became a perfectionist.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm still driving people crazy. Well, I you know,

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Speaker 3: and you start playing around with that, and then you

435
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Speaker 3: started spending hours more than you spend time in the book.

436
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 3: You start spending time on a at these keys. When

437
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 3: did when did that become like you know, your master,

438
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 3: or like this is what I love because that's what

439
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 3: we all learning, like whether it's dribbling a basketball or

440
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 3: standing on stage as a comedian or a singer. When

441
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Speaker 3: did you realize that this is a gift, This is

442
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Speaker 3: my gift.

443
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Speaker 4: I mean, I knew that I love I knew that

444
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 4: I knew that I loved it before before our family

445
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 4: moved left Nashville. You know, I loved the piano when

446
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 4: I was a toddler. You know, I didn't either there

447
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 4: was a check attached to it, or or it was

448
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 4: a you know, a possible vocation until much later, you know,

449
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 4: in in my life and you know, and actually and

450
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 4: there's a you know, and there's a paradox there too,

451
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 4: because I didn't get a deal with you know, when

452
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 4: I got a deal, when I stopped, when I when

453
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 4: I you know, I realized that that I didn't have

454
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 4: to you know, I had always been chasing a record

455
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 4: deal since I was a teenager. You know, when I

456
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 4: came to the place in my thirties, I was like,

457
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 4: you know what, maybe music is not my thing. I

458
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 4: thought that I became open to the idea I could

459
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 4: be successful doing something else, you know, it doesn't have

460
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 4: to be music, and I let go of it. I

461
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 4: didn't stop making music, but I let go of the

462
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 4: idea that this was a passion of it or because

463
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 4: of the doubt or the or the rejection.

464
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: Is that why you let go on the idea?

465
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Speaker 4: It was none of that. This is this was elevated thinking. Right.

466
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 4: It wasn't that it was the rejection. It was like

467
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Speaker 4: I was just open to the you know, it's a

468
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 4: spiritual axiom, right, I had this, I gotta have it.

469
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 4: I gotta have it. I gotta have it. I gotta

470
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Speaker 4: have it, I gotta have it. And it's like, no,

471
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 4: you know what, I don't have to have it. I

472
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 4: can be successful doing something else. Let me go find

473
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Speaker 4: out what that is. And it didn't mean that I

474
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 4: was going to quit making music. It just meant that,

475
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 4: you know, it didn't I didn't, you know, like, dude,

476
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 4: there's more to me than just than just doing this.

477
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 4: Let me go find out what those things are. And

478
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 4: I went and looked at for those things and I

479
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 4: failed miserably. However it was. It was the letting go, right,

480
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 4: It was the letting go and being willing and all.

481
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Speaker 4: I think business is one thing that I've I've that

482
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 4: has really been crucial to me. And this last you know,

483
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 4: probably eighteen month period is that businesses fail, man, and

484
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 4: people fail because they don't pivot. They don't pivot soon enough,

485
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Speaker 4: you know, they wait and they hold on, you know.

486
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Speaker 4: And I say this for the people who, you know,

487
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 4: for the for the aspiring singer whose mother tell them

488
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 4: that they sound good singing in the living room and

489
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 4: spend your whole life until you're sixty five years old

490
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 4: trying to sing. You know when actually you make some

491
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 4: pretty good cupcakes and that's what you should be doing, right,

492
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

493
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Speaker 1: Oh, that's funny.

494
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Speaker 3: In your book, now you talk about trying to be

495
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: a comedian. Now you didn't talk about.

496
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: Trying to be That was a very good joke there,

497
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Speaker 1: my brother, thank you.

498
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. Look, I you know,

499
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 4: so I feel I you know, I I've always known

500
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 4: what it was, you know. But I'm always open to

501
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 4: the idea that I don't have all the answers right right,

502
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 4: I'm always open to the idea that I don't have

503
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 4: all the answers. And even even today, dude, it's like, yeah,

504
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 4: I make records. I'm sitting down here, you know, I

505
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 4: just wrote this book. We got a live album that

506
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 4: just came out. I'm out on the road with with

507
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 4: Letacy and uh and Music Soul Child, And still ask

508
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 4: myself every day, Lord, if to hey, yo, then point

509
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 4: point me in the right direction. I want nothing that

510
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 4: don't belong to me, you know, which is anti entrepreneur.

511
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 4: You know that that whole self will you know? And

512
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 4: police sof up by the bootstraps. There's a place for that,

513
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 4: you know. But it comes with limitations. So I just

514
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Speaker 4: I just I just remain I just remain open.

515
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Speaker 3: But there was a shot that you potentially selling Merriky

516
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: them right.

517
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Speaker 1: I wasn't.

518
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 4: I wasn't selling Mary Kay for the car. I was telling.

519
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 5: I, I love it, I love it right right?

520
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the emotional side of this.

521
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: You know, you talk about the relationship, you talk about

522
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 3: you know, your skin tone being bullied and and but

523
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 3: the relationships ties really to the music. It ties to

524
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 3: your therapist telling you that probably your music is therapeutic

525
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 3: to you. When you started getting these answers along the way,

526
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 3: you and your father too incredibly amazing children out of wedlock.

527
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 3: Can you start dealing with that, the responsibility of fatherhood

528
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 3: and your career and trying to maintain a responsibility and

529
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 3: stay close to your children. When did you start lining

530
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: everything up, Kim that it made sense to you that

531
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: I'm doing it right?

532
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Speaker 4: I have you know, I don't know that.

533
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: I don't know that.

534
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,719
Speaker 4: You know, I'm always in the process of lining it up.

535
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 4: You know, it's always I'm always in the processes process

536
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 4: of lining it lining my life up and peeling back

537
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 4: the layers of the onion to my life. You know,

538
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 4: I don't think it's not a place where you arrive

539
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 4: because I look back, you know where I thought I

540
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 4: had it lined up pretty good, and like, you know,

541
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 4: I'm looking back and like, dude, you were crazy.

542
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 5: Right back then, right we like you know, with every

543
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 5: you know, I'm not we are constantly evolving, constantly constantly learning.

544
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 4: I'm not the guy. I'm not the same guy I

545
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 4: was six months ago. You know what I'm saying. It's

546
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 4: like constantly you know, reevaluating, constantly, you know, as Stephen

547
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 4: Covey would say, you know, constantly sharpening the saw, you know,

548
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 4: trying to get it. It's not a question of arriving.

549
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 4: It's a question of continuing to to to make the

550
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 4: best effort to do, to keep doing the next right thing,

551
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 4: you know, and building upon that. You know. And I'm fair,

552
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 4: I'm gonna you know, I'm in a pretty in a

553
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 4: pretty good place, you know, right now. But I also

554
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 4: know that there's that there's definitely more to learn and

555
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 4: more to be discovered.

556
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 3: Well, the amazing thing that I discovered with you and

557
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: reading this book, because you know, you only know a

558
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 3: person one side of a person, just like a person

559
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: doesn't know other size than me until I tell them

560
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: and reveal them like you were real, like you were

561
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 3: revealing in this book. But you know the fact that

562
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 3: you made a conscious effort. You know, your mom graduated

563
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 3: from college Wayne State, your father graduated from Tennessee State,

564
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 3: and then you made the conscious decision to go back

565
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 3: to school because you dropped out.

566
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: Why was that important? I went?

567
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 4: I went back to get my high school plumba. Yeah. Yeah,

568
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 4: I didn't go to you know, I was not you know,

569
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 4: I was not college material. And that's and that's okay,

570
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 4: we're getting ingrained, and you know, we ingrained our children

571
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 4: at you know, college, college, college, and everybody ain't gonna

572
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 4: thrive in college, you know what I'm saying. So, but

573
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 4: I went back to get my high school diploma because

574
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 4: it was always a point of it was always a

575
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 4: point of shame, you know, for me. And I was trying.

576
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 4: I was actually I actually was trying to take the

577
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 4: g ED. I was trying to take the g ED

578
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 4: to get my GED. But the test for the g

579
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 4: ED was too hard. It was easier for me. I'm like, dude,

580
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 4: I may as well. I'm like, I may as well

581
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 4: go back to school, you know, what I'm saying.

582
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna tell you, I'm taking Kim. I

583
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: gotta stop you. Man.

584
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 3: You know this is a pretty intense book, man. You know,

585
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 3: Kim is a pretty intense shairman. And we've been laughing, man,

586
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: we've been joking around. That's the amazing side of this

587
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:45,959
Speaker 3: story and the amazing side of you.

588
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: Man. You a good brother.

589
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 3: Man, You are a You are a winner, you are

590
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: you are a comedian.

591
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: And that's a side of y'all.

592
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: I'm so happy I'm getting to hear and see for

593
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: the first time in my life because as a person

594
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: who watch you perform, I'm in awe. And that's a

595
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: shield because you know, when you like you're saying, Michael

596
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: Jackson came out and prance and you know all those

597
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 3: songs you talk about, that really turn your direction of

598
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 3: who you are today. That's who you are to me

599
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: when I watch you on stage as an artist, because

600
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 3: of the fact that how you affect me from a

601
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 3: stand from a personal standpoint.

602
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: It's all good. It's all good because you motivate.

603
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 3: Your your music is motivational, Your music is emotional, music

604
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 3: is uplifting, all those things that that that.

605
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: As an artist you want it to be.

606
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: But to hear you, you know, at this layer of

607
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: you I've never seen before, it's really refreshing in your thoughts.

608
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: Is this is this Kim?

609
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 4: Thank you? Yeah? This is Kim. This is Kim. Yeah yeah,

610
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,239
Speaker 4: thank you man, thank you for that. You know, hey,

611
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 4: thank you or Sean's good talking to you and we

612
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 4: talked soon.

613
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: Appreciate you