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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight. From Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 1: George Norri here. Doctor Jeffrey Long with us leading near

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Speaker 1: death experience researcher, New York Times bestselling author. He founded

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Speaker 1: the Near Death Experience Research Foundation and two other websites

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Speaker 1: devoted to experiences related to near death experiences After Death

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Speaker 1: Communication Research Foundation and out of Body Experience Research Foundation.

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Speaker 1: This family of websites happens to be the largest publicly

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Speaker 1: accessible collection of human experiences of their type available. This

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Speaker 1: is leading to increasing awareness that worldwide and across cultural boundaries,

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Speaker 1: as we all share these types of experiences and they

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Speaker 1: are similar to a degree that is medically inexplicable. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Long back on Coast to Coast Jeffrey, Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: It is certainly a pleasure to be back, George. How

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Speaker 1: have you been, sir, I've been doing fantastic Ray tell

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Speaker 1: us about this incredible study of three thousand people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: first of all, you want to talk about incredible, George.

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Speaker 1: Over the years, it's blossomed. We're now up to over

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Speaker 1: four thousand near death experiences that we have in our

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Speaker 1: research database. Is by just for over twenty years, we've

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Speaker 1: been working on this, both me and the life a

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Speaker 1: licensed attorney who's devoted her full time job to assisting

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Speaker 1: with this project. But because we have so many near

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Speaker 1: death experiences, we're learning more about near death experiences than

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Speaker 1: ever has been possible before, because we have so many

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Speaker 1: in our database that we can study. And what got

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Speaker 1: you involved in this? Did you have a personal experience

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Speaker 1: or so? What happened? You know? I've never had a

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Speaker 1: near death experience. But when I was back in my

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Speaker 1: residency training decades ago, I'm a physician radiation oncology, the

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Speaker 1: use of radiation to treat cancer. But this is back

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Speaker 1: before Internet, that's how long ago. I was looking in

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Speaker 1: a journal, a paper journal, looking for a cancer related

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Speaker 1: article in the Journal of the American Medical Association, and

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Speaker 1: quite by accidents, I come across an article with the

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Speaker 1: title near death Experience in it, and I was puzzled.

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Speaker 1: As a doctor, I knew, you're either alive or you're dead,

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Speaker 1: and what's this near death experience thing? So I puzzled

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Speaker 1: read the article and was immediately fascinated. I mean, how

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Speaker 1: can you not be fascinated about wondering what happens beyond

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Speaker 1: being similar worldwide, I realized immediately, if this is true,

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Speaker 1: this changes my mind about the universe. So a couple

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Speaker 1: and his wife shared a very detailed near death experience,

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Speaker 1: first one I heard in person, and I was hooked.

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Speaker 1: I then set up the DARF dot org website with

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Speaker 1: one goal to determine are these experiences for real from

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Speaker 1: the best source of evidence, that being people that actually

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Speaker 1: experienced these Did you ever have any doubts? Oh? Yes,

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Speaker 1: oh gosh. When I started this, I'm George. As a physician,

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Speaker 1: cancer treating physician. I make decisions that are life and

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Speaker 1: death based on evidence. In other words, it's you've got

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Speaker 1: I don't go on reputation of someone else's recommendation. I

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Speaker 1: guide's medicine. And that certainly guided my journey of coming

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Speaker 1: to understand if near death experiences were real or not.

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Speaker 1: So I was, if you will, a skeptic when I

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Speaker 1: extraordinary experiences. It's really going to take very very solid evidence,

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Speaker 1: If there's one thing I realized as I began my

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Speaker 1: survey of near death experiencers, near death experiences are, in

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Speaker 1: a word, real. I've been watching coverage of Queen Elizabeth's

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Speaker 1: in complete agreement every shred of evidence we have in

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Speaker 1: their consciousness does not die. Their consciousness goes on existing

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Speaker 1: based on evidence that Queen, that the Queen is fully

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Speaker 1: Tell us about this. Yeah, this happened last year. There

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Speaker 1: absolutely So. The essay contest was went out literally worldwide,

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Speaker 1: George to be in the runner up groups. That's right,

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Speaker 1: other people, the major near death experience researchers. Their essays

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Speaker 1: legal standards that there's life after death. Jeffrey, give us

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Speaker 1: a definition of a near death experience. Sure, Now, while

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Speaker 1: In fact, in our scholarly research, we have a term

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Speaker 1: on and on. Well, what doctor Jeffrey long Is websites

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Speaker 1: are linked up at Coast to coastam dot com. He's

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Speaker 1: a best selling author. A couple of his books include

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Speaker 1: God in the Afterlife, Evidence of the Afterlife as well.

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Speaker 1: These people that go through these endees, do they come

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Speaker 1: and that's a very interesting topic. So I'll tell you, George, certainly,

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Speaker 1: absolutely impossible at that time to have any lucid organized experience.

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Speaker 1: And you're beyond unconscious in that circumstance. You're in a

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