WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Doug Janis Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans at.

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<v Speaker 2>The this is where It's hiking me.

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<v Speaker 3>Were headed down to Sabine County, Texas, to the place

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<v Speaker 3>where on December thirteenth, twenty twenty, there was a massive

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<v Speaker 3>explosion on Toledo Ben Lake. The houseboat belonging to sixty

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<v Speaker 3>four year old Doug Janis, a well known commercial cat fisherman,

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<v Speaker 3>at three point twenty two Echo Ridge went up in flames.

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<v Speaker 3>Firefighters and paramedics rushed to the boat, but it was

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<v Speaker 3>too late. By the time they got there, the walls

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<v Speaker 3>had caved in and the boat was reduced to some

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<v Speaker 3>floating debris, a pile of ashes, and the charred remains

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<v Speaker 3>of a man. Doug Janis was found dead inside that boat.

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<v Speaker 3>At first, police assumed that it had been some kind

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<v Speaker 3>of freak accident, maybe a propane leak, but then the

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<v Speaker 3>medical examiner found the two bullets in the back of

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<v Speaker 3>Doug's head. Doug Janis had been murdered. His much younger wife,

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<v Speaker 3>April May Janis, was nowhere to be found. A witness

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<v Speaker 3>told police that they saw April in her blue truck

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<v Speaker 3>leaving the scene shortly before it blew up. And as

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<v Speaker 3>we also said last week, we found out that April's mother, Anna,

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<v Speaker 3>had died of a fatal gunshot wound to the head,

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<v Speaker 3>another mysterious death that was never fully explained.

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<v Speaker 4>When we reached out to people about.

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<v Speaker 3>Doug Janis's death, a lot of them said they wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to talk to us, but they were scared. They told

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<v Speaker 3>us that people kept dying around them and places kept

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<v Speaker 3>burning down, and that no one was arrested or charged.

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<v Speaker 3>They said that right there in Sabine County, people were

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<v Speaker 3>getting away with murder and they didn't want to be next.

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<v Speaker 3>My research assistant Amy and I headed down to East Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>This was going to be a wild ride. I'm Catherine Townsend.

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<v Speaker 3>Over the past five years of making my true crime podcast,

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<v Speaker 4>All right, one more time.

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<v Speaker 3>We wake up in Sabine County, Texas. We stayed on

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<v Speaker 3>the Louisiana side the night before. We're trying to find

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<v Speaker 3>leeds on the witness.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the bridge that divides Texas and Louisiana across

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<v Speaker 2>the water. And if you believe that April committed this crime,

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<v Speaker 2>she would have had to cross this bridge, and the

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<v Speaker 2>fire department would have had to cross this bridge as well.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's a long bridge.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And looking out over the lake, it reminds me

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<v Speaker 5>of driving over the bridge at Mobile, Alabama, where you're

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<v Speaker 5>looking out over the bay, because it is the biggest

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<v Speaker 5>lake I've ever receive.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was murdered on this side. Yes, he was

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<v Speaker 2>killed in Texas, and she lived on the other side.

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<v Speaker 2>She lived in Louisiana, Okay. And is this the only

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<v Speaker 2>way to cross this? Is that one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna ask her. I believe, So look at all

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<v Speaker 2>these trees on the middle of the water.

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<v Speaker 5>That's true, And I believe there was only a limited

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<v Speaker 5>number of ways that you could leave where he actually lived.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the neighborhood in one mile. The destination is on

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<v Speaker 2>your left the lake house.

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<v Speaker 3>We saw in April's arrest affidavit, which was the one

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<v Speaker 3>piece of information we were able to obtain through a

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<v Speaker 3>foyer request, that there had been at least one witness,

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<v Speaker 3>a person who said they saw April leaving the crime

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<v Speaker 3>scene on the night of Doug's murder. We also saw

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<v Speaker 3>on social media that a first responder who had gone

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<v Speaker 3>to the scene posted about another witness, someone else who

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<v Speaker 3>said they saw a vehicle speeding away from the houseboat

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<v Speaker 3>right before it basically blew up. Today we're meeting someone

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<v Speaker 3>someone who lived in the same neighborhood as Doug in

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<v Speaker 3>April and had known April since she was ten years old.

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<v Speaker 3>This person had a family member who saw the fire

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<v Speaker 3>on the houseboat. That family member called the witness, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure I've ever heard about anything like this before.

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<v Speaker 3>The witness watched on FaceTime the houseboat while it was

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<v Speaker 3>burning down, so they actually saw the fire. They called

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<v Speaker 3>the police, but considering everything that has happened since then,

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<v Speaker 3>they're scared. Our witness would only talk to us in person.

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<v Speaker 3>They said they wanted to look us in the eyes first.

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<v Speaker 3>They were open about the fact that they're scared of

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<v Speaker 3>April and whoever else may have been involved in Doug's

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<v Speaker 3>unsoul murder. We're meeting at a tackle shop where Doug

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<v Speaker 3>went every day to have lunch. It's a place where

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<v Speaker 3>he was happy and he had a lot of friends.

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<v Speaker 3>We were finding out more and more information about April Janis.

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<v Speaker 3>Like Doug, a lot of her background was kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a mystery, and there seemed to be huge pieces of

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<v Speaker 3>missing time, huge gaps in her story. April grew up

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<v Speaker 3>just a few doors down from Doug Janis. Doug didn't

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<v Speaker 3>move to the area until around two thousand and three.

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<v Speaker 3>She lived with her father, Bob Thompson, and her mother Anna.

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<v Speaker 3>Bob Thompson wrote a book which he self published, called

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<v Speaker 3>A Different Ballgame Now. In that book, he described in

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<v Speaker 3>detail what happened the night April's mom was shot, and

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<v Speaker 3>his version of events. We'll get more into that later,

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<v Speaker 3>but we've talked to some of the other people who

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<v Speaker 3>are around that night, and let's just say we will

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<v Speaker 3>be taking everything that Bob says with a massive grain

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<v Speaker 3>of salt. Bob passed away in twenty twenty three. So

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<v Speaker 3>these are direct excerpts from the book. They're his words

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<v Speaker 3>being read by an actor. Bob starts his story when

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<v Speaker 3>he moved to the area of Toledo Bend in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>seventy four. In this story, basically, Bob blames everything that

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<v Speaker 3>happened to him on what he described as the shady

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<v Speaker 3>characters who live there. Back then, he had gotten into

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<v Speaker 3>a motorcycle accident which caused permanent nerve damage to his

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<v Speaker 3>left arm. Eventually he had the arm amputated because of

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<v Speaker 3>the pain he was going through. This earned him a

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<v Speaker 3>reputation locally as a one armed motorcycle man, which he

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<v Speaker 3>seemed to relish. He was married, but that marriage ended.

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<v Speaker 3>Then he said he married a second time. He claims

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<v Speaker 3>that that marriage fell apart when he found his wife

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<v Speaker 3>with a sixteen year old boy in a motel room.

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<v Speaker 3>Now again, and I can't stress this enough. This is

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<v Speaker 3>his version of events. This is Bob's version of events.

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<v Speaker 3>So as we go on, I think you'll see a

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<v Speaker 3>pattern of him taking zero accountability.

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<v Speaker 4>It seems like.

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<v Speaker 3>When he's narrating, he's always the victim. In his story,

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<v Speaker 3>Bob said he had a turbulent childhood. He discovered when

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<v Speaker 3>he was an adult that his father had actually had

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<v Speaker 3>a whole secret second family. So after his second divorce,

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<v Speaker 3>Bob got a small settlement from his motorcycle accident. He

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<v Speaker 3>was forty five years old at this point and ready

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<v Speaker 3>to start a new life. That's when his father gave

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<v Speaker 3>him a piece of property in East Texas at Pine

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<v Speaker 3>Lake Reservoir. In the book By the Way, Bob uses

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<v Speaker 3>aliases so Doug, Janie is Augie and Terry. Doug's wife

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<v Speaker 3>at the time is Sherry. He calls April his daughter June,

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<v Speaker 3>and his wife Anna is Barb. He said that he

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<v Speaker 3>met Anna, April's mother at the dentist's office by chance.

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<v Speaker 4>It was the summer of nineteen eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 3>He had drunk some lake water and gotten a severe

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<v Speaker 3>toothache from it. Anna was at the dentist with her mom.

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<v Speaker 3>He and Anna started chatting. He got her phone number,

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<v Speaker 3>even though he believed that because she was only twenty four,

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<v Speaker 3>she was probably too young for him. But even with

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<v Speaker 3>the twenty one year age difference, they fell in love.

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<v Speaker 3>They started dating. Anna had just got back from training

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<v Speaker 3>for the Coastguard, but she was rejected because she couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>swim the required distance, even though Bob said she was

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<v Speaker 3>very athletic, Anne a skilled markswoman.

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<v Speaker 4>Things got serious fast.

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<v Speaker 3>Anna found out out that she was pregnant, so they

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<v Speaker 3>married on July fourth, nineteen eighty nine. April was born

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<v Speaker 3>on December twenty first of that same year. So Bob

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<v Speaker 3>is describing April's childhood is troubled. And it's interesting because

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<v Speaker 3>he kind of described the source of their troubles as

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<v Speaker 3>multiple issues with the Pine Harbor Property Owners Association. Mainly

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<v Speaker 3>they seem to involve Bob's refusal to pay dues, his

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<v Speaker 3>insistence that this was unfair and he.

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<v Speaker 4>Believed people were out to get him.

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<v Speaker 3>I won't get into all these petty disputes he had

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<v Speaker 3>with the homeowners association because it is a long story

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<v Speaker 3>and a lot of it has no real connection to

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<v Speaker 3>Anna's death, but I do think it's important to note

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<v Speaker 3>Bob and many others did describe some real issues with

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<v Speaker 3>discrimination in that area. There are two sides to the subdivision,

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<v Speaker 3>Bob's side with many modest trailer homes and the house side,

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<v Speaker 3>with more traditional lakefront properties. On the house side amusing

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<v Speaker 3>air quotes here, the yards are mode and things look

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<v Speaker 3>more orderly in general, and according to to Bob, the

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<v Speaker 3>house side people look down on the people who lived

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<v Speaker 3>on the trailer side. Here's what he wrote in the book.

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<v Speaker 3>They're his words being read by an actor.

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<v Speaker 1>The associations spent their dues on the house side of

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<v Speaker 1>the subdivision and called those trailer trash in their little

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<v Speaker 1>board meetings. Their streets were in good shape and ours

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<v Speaker 1>were potholes.

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<v Speaker 3>Bob talked about how April loved to draw as a child.

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<v Speaker 3>She was constantly making pictures and coloring. She was a tomboy.

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<v Speaker 3>She loved riding motorcycles and helping her dad with stuff

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<v Speaker 3>around the house. Now, I do want to say that

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<v Speaker 3>I find it very odd reading this book that Bob

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<v Speaker 3>spends nearly as much time talking about his tax problems

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<v Speaker 3>with the homeowners association and weird petty financial stuff as

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<v Speaker 3>he does about his wife's death. This, to me, is

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<v Speaker 3>incredibly bizarre, given that he's writing this book about his

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<v Speaker 3>daughter possibly being involved in his wife's death. That's a

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<v Speaker 3>huge bombshell, and he kind of buries the lead under

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of these petty tax problems. The tone of

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<v Speaker 3>the book honestly feels like at times for me. Kind

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<v Speaker 3>of one big pity party from Bob. Bob talked more

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<v Speaker 3>about how April hung around the subdivision. He said it

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<v Speaker 3>was mostly a neighborhood of retired people at that point,

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<v Speaker 3>so he said April had a hard time finding friends

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<v Speaker 3>her own age. He said his marriage to Anna was

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<v Speaker 3>very happy. They were constantly together, fishing and hanging out

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<v Speaker 3>on the lake. He also refers to using babysitters for

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<v Speaker 3>April so he could spend some quality time with Anna.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he said this about the babysitters, which I

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<v Speaker 3>immediately found odd.

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<v Speaker 1>They were always hugging her and buying her prisons and such.

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<v Speaker 3>Now this could have just been an innocent comment about

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<v Speaker 3>some friendly neighbors, as Bob paints it, but in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 3>this statement takes on a pretty sinister meaning given what

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<v Speaker 3>happened next. April had a hard time at school. Bob

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<v Speaker 3>said she was harassed by both teachers and students. He

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<v Speaker 3>blamed the teacher who lived on the house side. April

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<v Speaker 3>was also being bullied on the bus by other kids,

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<v Speaker 3>so her parents ended up driving her to school themselves,

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<v Speaker 3>and she did not always make it there. Apparently, April

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<v Speaker 3>was absent a lot other sources have told us April

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<v Speaker 3>was having trouble at school for another reason. By the way,

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<v Speaker 3>this is not meant to be any sort of a diagnosis.

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<v Speaker 3>I have never met April, and I do not know

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<v Speaker 3>what she was experiencing, but several people we talked to

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<v Speaker 3>said that as a child, April appeared to have some

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<v Speaker 3>kind of learning difficulties. They believe that's why she was bullied.

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<v Speaker 3>Bob's everyone was against his mentality means that as you

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<v Speaker 3>read through this book, he never takes any accountability for

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<v Speaker 3>April's welfare. For example, when he talks about April riding

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<v Speaker 3>the bus, Bob said April was getting carsick for some reason.

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<v Speaker 3>He said the bus driver tried moving her upfront and

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<v Speaker 3>multiple other things, but the bottom line was April kept

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<v Speaker 3>throwing up, so she had to stop riding the bus

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<v Speaker 3>for that reason. As I read through this, I can't

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<v Speaker 3>help thinking maybe she was having severe anxiety for other reasons.

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<v Speaker 3>One Facebook commenter who was at school with April said

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<v Speaker 3>that April used to hiss at other children. Another one

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<v Speaker 3>said April would come to school dirty, that kids would

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<v Speaker 3>tease her because of her hygiene. When I read those comments,

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<v Speaker 3>my heart breaks for that little girl. That must have

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<v Speaker 3>been so hard for her and so lonely. Bob bought

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<v Speaker 3>April her first gun at age ten, a two twenty

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<v Speaker 3>three caliber rifle for deer hunting. He said she was

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<v Speaker 3>a good shot, but she wasn't much of a deer hunter.

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<v Speaker 3>She thought the deer were too pretty and innocent, so

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<v Speaker 3>she mainly stuck to target shooting, with occasional squirrels and birds.

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<v Speaker 3>He and April hung out with a man in his

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<v Speaker 3>sixties in their neighborhood, who he called Paul. Bob talked

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<v Speaker 3>about an incident with Paul in his book, Remember He's

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<v Speaker 3>calling April his daughter June.

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<v Speaker 1>June told me Paul had grabbed her and kissed her

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<v Speaker 1>and got his saliva in her mouth, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>nasty and had a tobacco smell. I asked her why

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't tell me then, and she said she was

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<v Speaker 1>afraid of what I might do to him. Well, there

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<v Speaker 1>when our friendship.

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<v Speaker 3>Not exactly the caring father. Instead of immediately calling the

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<v Speaker 3>authorities or doing anything to protect his daughter, he basically

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<v Speaker 3>blamed her for ending his friendship. April never had many friends,

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<v Speaker 3>but she did have her horses. Bob wrote that she

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<v Speaker 3>had a natural talent for horses. They even bought one

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<v Speaker 3>from a neighbor one that was totally wild, but April

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<v Speaker 3>was able to ride the horse. She showed real gentleness

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<v Speaker 3>and compassion, even after one of her horses kicked her

0:14:41.085 --> 0:14:43.445
<v Speaker 3>and she broke her arm. She had a cast on

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<v Speaker 3>that arm for six weeks, but right after that she

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<v Speaker 3>went back to riding horses. As April grew up, they

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<v Speaker 3>seemed to be, at least according to Bob, a happy family.

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<v Speaker 3>People have told us that Anna and Bob were together constantly.

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<v Speaker 3>They said Bob seemed to adore his wife. Bob described

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<v Speaker 3>Anna as a positive and friendly person who had a

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<v Speaker 3>special love for hummingbirds. Apparently, they would I write up

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<v Speaker 3>to Anna and she could get them to land on

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<v Speaker 3>her fingers.

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<v Speaker 4>Bob said.

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<v Speaker 3>The family first met Doug Janis when Doug moved to

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<v Speaker 3>their neighborhood in two thousand and three. Doug was married,

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<v Speaker 3>but separated from his wife Terry. In the book Remember,

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<v Speaker 3>Bob called Doug Aggie.

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<v Speaker 1>June was out in the yard and came over to

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<v Speaker 1>see who else was here, and they were introduced. June

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<v Speaker 1>had started filling out as a young lady and was

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty girl, OGGI hugged her and told her how

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<v Speaker 1>pretty she was and how lucky mom and dad are

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<v Speaker 1>to have such a pretty daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I should say here, Doug's behavior with young women

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<v Speaker 3>had already been noticed by other people in that neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 3>We talked to another resident who wants to remain anonymous.

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<v Speaker 3>They told us they banned Doug from their home after

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<v Speaker 3>he saw their sixteen year old daughter and was staring

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<v Speaker 3>at her super openly and in their opinion, being very creepy.

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<v Speaker 3>After that, the parent told their teen they were never

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<v Speaker 3>allowed to have Doug there without them home, and they

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<v Speaker 3>told Doug if he shut up on that property without

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<v Speaker 3>their premon they would shoot him on site. That's how

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<v Speaker 3>blatant this person claimed Doug's behavior was, and that was

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<v Speaker 3>on a first meeting. Bob seemed to notice right off

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<v Speaker 3>that Doug had a maybe too friendly interest in his daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy had his share charisma to make everyone feel good,

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<v Speaker 1>but he hugged our daughter for just a few seconds

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<v Speaker 1>more than needed. A red flag should have been thrown

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<v Speaker 1>because this guy was just too friendly. All he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to see my little body shop and he said he

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<v Speaker 1>buys and sells and swaps all kind of stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>need a repair and painting, and that he could make

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<v Speaker 1>it worthwhile for me to do some work for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Occasionally I said, yeah, we can do that, but it

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<v Speaker 1>bothered me. He couldn't keep his eyes off June because

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<v Speaker 1>he was forty six years old and June just turned thirteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Despite Bob's reservations, he and Doug became friends. Anna and

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<v Speaker 3>Bob would meet up with Doug to play Texas holding

0:17:00.285 --> 0:17:03.325
<v Speaker 3>poker and barbecue fish and hang out on Doug's houseboat.

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<v Speaker 3>Bob said Doug always flashed a lot of cash, but

0:17:08.005 --> 0:17:09.605
<v Speaker 3>he said Doug didn't seem to have a nine to

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<v Speaker 3>five job. Apparently, Doug supplied local restaurants with catfish and

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<v Speaker 3>hustled a lot. Bob and others have stated that Doug

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<v Speaker 3>Janis had powerful friends in Sabine County. One of Doug's

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<v Speaker 3>best friends was a local Justice of the Peace. Another,

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<v Speaker 3>according to Bob, was a judge. And according to Bob,

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<v Speaker 3>this same JP friend, who he calls Jake Butts in

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<v Speaker 3>the book, could take care of things for people, things

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<v Speaker 3>like getting people out of d WI charges. Then there

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<v Speaker 3>was the night that changed everything, and again the version

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<v Speaker 3>of events and what went down totally depends on who

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<v Speaker 3>is telling this story. It was September third, two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and four. On that night, Bob and Anna allowed their

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<v Speaker 3>daughter April to go to the car races with Doug

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<v Speaker 3>and another friend of his named Lester and Lester's wife.

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<v Speaker 3>The races were supposed to be over and everyone was

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<v Speaker 3>going to go home at around eleven PM, but April

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<v Speaker 3>didn't come home two am. Anna was super worried. She

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<v Speaker 3>called Lester and his wife. The wife said April and

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<v Speaker 3>Doug had left their house hours earlier, so Anna and

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<v Speaker 3>Bob wondered what they were doing after they left Lester's

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<v Speaker 3>house and why they were presumably alone for all that time.

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<v Speaker 3>Doug finally dropped April off between two thirty and three

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<v Speaker 3>am that night, and by the next morning, Anna Thompson

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<v Speaker 3>was dead. On September third, two thousand and four, thirteen

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<v Speaker 3>year old April went to the races with some family

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<v Speaker 3>friends of her parents, including Doug Janis, but Doug didn't

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<v Speaker 3>drop her back home until after two am. According to

0:18:52.965 --> 0:18:57.085
<v Speaker 3>Bob's version of events, when Doug dropped April off, he

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<v Speaker 3>drove away fast before they had a chance to confront him,

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<v Speaker 3>but they did confront April about what she and Doug

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<v Speaker 3>were doing in the woods for all that time. According

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<v Speaker 3>to Bob, Anna turned on her daughter. She screamed at

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<v Speaker 3>her and grounded her. This part is shocking to me.

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<v Speaker 3>April was in those woods with a much older man

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<v Speaker 3>and a thirteen year old girl.

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<v Speaker 4>Cannot give consent.

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<v Speaker 3>I am heartbroken at the way these parents treated her,

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<v Speaker 3>especially considering that Bob claims Anna was also molested as

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<v Speaker 3>a child.

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<v Speaker 4>In his book, Bob wrote this.

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<v Speaker 1>I went outside, hoping that it would end soon. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't realize that June might take this as me being

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<v Speaker 1>a trader to her. From what I found out later,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess my wife was shoving June up against the

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<v Speaker 1>dining room wall to make June look her in the face.

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<v Speaker 1>And the last thing I heard my wife say was

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<v Speaker 1>if I ever catch you around that child molester again,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll kill you. You understand me.

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<v Speaker 3>So, from what Bob said, they believed that Doug was

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<v Speaker 3>a pedophile, and they made it April's fault. Bob describes

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<v Speaker 3>what he said happened next early September.

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<v Speaker 1>Nights in Texas were sometimes in the mid eighty degree range,

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<v Speaker 1>and this night was no exception. I went upstairs to

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<v Speaker 1>bed and was so glad it was all over. I

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<v Speaker 1>had opened the windows and let the breeze come through

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<v Speaker 1>the upstairs bedroom hours before because it was not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be long until the sun would come up. I've

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<v Speaker 1>always been an early riser, and by now I'd been

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<v Speaker 1>up for about twenty hours and was pooped out with

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<v Speaker 1>all the commotion for the last three or four hours.

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<v Speaker 1>I got undressed and just dropped on the bed. It

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<v Speaker 1>probably didn't take me long to fall fast asleep, since

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<v Speaker 1>it was so hot. I usually slept naked as no

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<v Speaker 1>one could walk in the room since it was upstairs.

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<v Speaker 1>I woke to here screaming and crying and sobbing. It

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<v Speaker 1>was June coming up the stairs. I hollered, what's wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>and June said, come quick, Dad, I think mom's been shot. First,

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<v Speaker 1>I ran to the dress drawers to get some underwear,

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<v Speaker 1>but putting my hands on the dresser and feeling for

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<v Speaker 1>the handle, I thought, what if she's on her last breath.

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<v Speaker 1>She wasn't making a sound. I just thought, June will

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<v Speaker 1>just have to not look.

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<v Speaker 4>I felt.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have time to go across the room to

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<v Speaker 1>the light switch and come back to get dressed. I

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<v Speaker 1>ran down the stairs and Mom was lying on the

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<v Speaker 1>couch moaning. There was blood all over her pillow. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't remember saying anything, but I remember the deep pain

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<v Speaker 1>in my body of fright. I started to move her

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<v Speaker 1>head to one side, but couldn't see any wound, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of blood everywhere, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>already dark and puddled. I turned around and called nine

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<v Speaker 1>to one one and told the police to get an

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<v Speaker 1>ambulance here fast, because I thought my wife had been shot.

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<v Speaker 4>Bob said.

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<v Speaker 3>After that, he ran upstairs and got dressed, and then

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<v Speaker 3>he called a friend of his, who he called Greg.

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<v Speaker 3>This person lived next door to Doug. Greg and his

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<v Speaker 3>wife were at Bob's house in less than five minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>We asked June if she had seen or heard anything.

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<v Speaker 1>She said she heard a loud bang, and when she

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<v Speaker 1>came in the living room, Mom was lying on the

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<v Speaker 1>couch moaning, and she came and got me.

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<v Speaker 2>She said.

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<v Speaker 1>Later, when she went to the bathroom, she noticed the

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<v Speaker 1>back door to the house trailer was wide open, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was a gun lying in between the house and

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<v Speaker 1>the back step. I went and looked for the gun,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't see it, and came back to listen to Greg's

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<v Speaker 1>wife and her questions and June's answers.

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<v Speaker 3>So by this point, Bob said that he was waiting

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<v Speaker 3>for the ambulance but freaking out because they were fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>miles from town. He worried that Anna would die before

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<v Speaker 3>they got there.

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to talk to her again and she was

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<v Speaker 1>just moaning. And when I tried to turn her head

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<v Speaker 1>to get a better look, there was a pile of

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<v Speaker 1>blood on both sides of her head and one eye

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<v Speaker 1>was pointed in a different direction. Within the next few minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>there were at least eight deputies all over the house,

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<v Speaker 1>moving around looking under beds, in closets, and even in drawers.

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<v Speaker 1>June and I were standing at the dining room table

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<v Speaker 1>being questioned as the others were looking at everything in

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<v Speaker 1>the house. Greg and his wife were outside standing by

0:23:09.685 --> 0:23:13.885
<v Speaker 1>the garage. The emergency team of two men came in

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<v Speaker 1>with a stretcher and let my wife's head just hang

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<v Speaker 1>down as they dragged her off the couch. I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>how unprofessional is this? It was still dark outside, and

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<v Speaker 1>I heard June hollering, Dad, Dad, look what I found

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<v Speaker 1>out in the garden. She was holding our new rifle

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<v Speaker 1>and walked towards me to give it to me, and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, June, you shouldn't be touching that, and took

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<v Speaker 1>it from her using all my thumb and one finger

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<v Speaker 1>on the front side. I took it in the dining

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<v Speaker 1>room and placed it in a corner of the room,

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<v Speaker 1>just outside the door. Two of the deputies came over,

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<v Speaker 1>and one picked it up and took it in the

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen and took the tube out of the magazine and

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<v Speaker 1>poured all the shells out on the little cutting board

0:23:58.885 --> 0:24:01.565
<v Speaker 1>table in the kitchen. I noticed a whole pile of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two shells come out of it, and some rolled

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<v Speaker 1>off the table on on the floor. The other deputy

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<v Speaker 1>picked them up and put them back in the pile.

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<v Speaker 1>Three different deputies took turns and looked the rifle over

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<v Speaker 1>before throwing it on top of the spare tire in

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<v Speaker 1>the trunk of another deputy's car. It kind of got

0:24:20.485 --> 0:24:23.805
<v Speaker 1>me him dropping it on the metal wheel when I'm

0:24:23.845 --> 0:24:27.085
<v Speaker 1>so particular about my guns. But I had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more things to worry about than a little thing like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Anna was airlifted to the hospital in Shreveport shortly after April,

0:24:34.445 --> 0:24:38.205
<v Speaker 3>and Bob got to the hospital, police questioned Bob. According

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<v Speaker 3>to Bob, police were suspicious of him. Bob was processing

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that his wife had a horrible fight with

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<v Speaker 3>their daughter and later on the same night, Anna was

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<v Speaker 3>shot in the head and she was now fighting for

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<v Speaker 3>her life in the hospital. Bob and April came home

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<v Speaker 3>from the hospital. Anna was in a coma. The crime

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<v Speaker 3>scene tape was still around their trailer, and at that

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<v Speaker 3>point Doug aka Augie showed up.

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<v Speaker 1>Oggie pulled up and got out, and June went running

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<v Speaker 1>into his arms. He lifted her up off the ground

0:25:12.565 --> 0:25:16.685
<v Speaker 1>and they were both smiling and happy. That pissed me off.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the dog jumped in June's arms, and Aggie just

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<v Speaker 1>kept holding June off the ground, and I said, well,

0:25:25.125 --> 0:25:28.525
<v Speaker 1>aren't you going to turn loose? June dropped the dog,

0:25:28.845 --> 0:25:32.365
<v Speaker 1>but he kept holding June. I gave them a hard

0:25:32.405 --> 0:25:36.725
<v Speaker 1>look and said I didn't mean the dog, and Aggie

0:25:36.805 --> 0:25:37.485
<v Speaker 1>let June.

0:25:37.325 --> 0:25:43.325
<v Speaker 3>Down despite his suspicions. Incredibly, Bob agreed to go to

0:25:43.405 --> 0:25:45.845
<v Speaker 3>the grocery store with Doug so that Doug could buy

0:25:45.845 --> 0:25:46.525
<v Speaker 3>them some food.

0:25:47.405 --> 0:25:50.125
<v Speaker 1>We went into the supermarket and everyone there knew us,

0:25:50.645 --> 0:25:53.925
<v Speaker 1>and June and Aggie were acting too happy in all smiles.

0:25:54.565 --> 0:25:57.365
<v Speaker 1>I had to remind them, I don't know how y'all

0:25:57.365 --> 0:25:59.845
<v Speaker 1>can be so happy when mom is in the intensive

0:25:59.925 --> 0:26:03.565
<v Speaker 1>care and may not live. They got straight faced, but

0:26:03.685 --> 0:26:07.685
<v Speaker 1>snickered at each other, not knowing I was watching. Two

0:26:07.685 --> 0:26:10.925
<v Speaker 1>plus two has always equaled four in my book, and

0:26:11.005 --> 0:26:13.765
<v Speaker 1>my heart sunk as I realized what must have happened

0:26:13.765 --> 0:26:18.365
<v Speaker 1>to June's mother, my wife. Those two lovebirds knew exactly

0:26:18.405 --> 0:26:19.085
<v Speaker 1>what happened.

0:26:20.045 --> 0:26:23.005
<v Speaker 3>I cannot get over how creepy it is that Bob

0:26:23.085 --> 0:26:26.045
<v Speaker 3>referred to his thirteen year old daughter and his forty

0:26:26.045 --> 0:26:29.565
<v Speaker 3>something year old friend who had raped or sexually assaulted her,

0:26:29.605 --> 0:26:34.165
<v Speaker 3>as lovebirds. Bob began to suspect that Doug and April were,

0:26:34.165 --> 0:26:37.845
<v Speaker 3>in his words, not mine, dating, and that Doug may

0:26:37.845 --> 0:26:41.605
<v Speaker 3>have been involved in Anna's murder or possibly even masterminded it.

0:26:42.725 --> 0:26:45.445
<v Speaker 3>His suspicions were raised further after he talked to his

0:26:45.485 --> 0:26:48.565
<v Speaker 3>friend Greg, Doug's next door neighbor, the one who came

0:26:48.605 --> 0:26:51.525
<v Speaker 3>to the house that night. Bob wrote that that person

0:26:51.605 --> 0:26:54.405
<v Speaker 3>told him that another resident of the neighborhood and his

0:26:54.445 --> 0:26:55.445
<v Speaker 3>wife saw this.

0:26:56.125 --> 0:26:58.445
<v Speaker 1>They had seen Oggy coming home the back way in

0:26:58.485 --> 0:27:01.645
<v Speaker 1>a real hurry around four am the morning my wife

0:27:01.725 --> 0:27:05.165
<v Speaker 1>got shot. That led me to believe Oggie did the shooting.

0:27:05.645 --> 0:27:08.165
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't bring myself to believe my daughter could be

0:27:08.245 --> 0:27:11.645
<v Speaker 1>so cold hearted as to shoot her own mom while

0:27:11.685 --> 0:27:13.085
<v Speaker 1>she was asleep on the couch.

0:27:14.125 --> 0:27:17.645
<v Speaker 3>Bob's friend's wife was very close to April. They had

0:27:17.725 --> 0:27:21.245
<v Speaker 3>known her since the mid nineties and watched her grow up.

0:27:22.325 --> 0:27:24.885
<v Speaker 3>April went over to the friend's house and talked to

0:27:24.925 --> 0:27:28.165
<v Speaker 3>his wife, and then Bob claims that his friend's wife

0:27:28.205 --> 0:27:30.845
<v Speaker 3>called him and said that April had confessed to her

0:27:31.325 --> 0:27:33.485
<v Speaker 3>that she had told her in tears that she had

0:27:33.525 --> 0:27:38.205
<v Speaker 3>shot her mother Anna. According to this woman, April had

0:27:38.285 --> 0:27:40.805
<v Speaker 3>also allegedly admitted that she and Doug were in love,

0:27:41.325 --> 0:27:44.285
<v Speaker 3>and the woman said that quote she told us all

0:27:44.325 --> 0:27:47.685
<v Speaker 3>about her and Augie going parking and denied making love

0:27:47.725 --> 0:27:50.485
<v Speaker 3>to him, but he did hurt her down there with

0:27:50.525 --> 0:27:55.445
<v Speaker 3>his big fingers end quote. This is where things get

0:27:55.485 --> 0:27:59.005
<v Speaker 3>even more weird. Bob claims he couldn't believe that his

0:27:59.125 --> 0:28:02.765
<v Speaker 3>daughter could have killed his wife in cold blood. Yet

0:28:02.765 --> 0:28:06.725
<v Speaker 3>at the same time, he says April wasn't allowed to

0:28:06.765 --> 0:28:09.725
<v Speaker 3>talk to him on the advice of lawyers. So again

0:28:09.765 --> 0:28:11.885
<v Speaker 3>we're only getting part of the story from Bob. He's

0:28:11.925 --> 0:28:14.965
<v Speaker 3>definitely leaving things out here, but it certainly seems like

0:28:15.045 --> 0:28:18.205
<v Speaker 3>police may have suspected maybe it was Bob who shot

0:28:18.205 --> 0:28:21.525
<v Speaker 3>his wife, and certain aspects of his story are suspect,

0:28:21.925 --> 0:28:24.445
<v Speaker 3>including the fact that he didn't hear the gunshot and

0:28:24.965 --> 0:28:27.685
<v Speaker 3>he made such a point of explaining in his story

0:28:27.805 --> 0:28:32.605
<v Speaker 3>why he was naked. There's something else we found. The

0:28:32.645 --> 0:28:36.125
<v Speaker 3>neighbor who Bob mentioned. Her name is Yvonne. She was

0:28:36.165 --> 0:28:38.245
<v Speaker 3>with her husband at the house on the night that

0:28:38.285 --> 0:28:41.765
<v Speaker 3>Anna was shot, and she confirmed the part of the

0:28:41.845 --> 0:28:46.965
<v Speaker 3>story where April told her that Doug had allegedly assaulted April.

0:28:47.645 --> 0:28:49.725
<v Speaker 6>I know he's a molest in her there's no offense

0:28:49.845 --> 0:28:50.485
<v Speaker 6>but about it.

0:28:51.565 --> 0:28:55.485
<v Speaker 3>But Yvonne didn't confirm everything Bob said. She said there

0:28:55.525 --> 0:28:57.965
<v Speaker 3>was something else that she noticed on the night of

0:28:58.005 --> 0:28:58.605
<v Speaker 3>Anna's death.

0:28:59.805 --> 0:29:02.845
<v Speaker 6>She was fresh and clean from a shower, Her hair

0:29:02.965 --> 0:29:06.645
<v Speaker 6>was wet, she snowed like soap. And the reason why

0:29:06.685 --> 0:29:08.645
<v Speaker 6>that sticks out in my mind is because most of

0:29:08.645 --> 0:29:13.525
<v Speaker 6>the time April was dirty.

0:29:15.565 --> 0:29:18.165
<v Speaker 3>Two weeks after Anna Thompson was shot in her home,

0:29:18.725 --> 0:29:21.405
<v Speaker 3>she was removed from life support and she died at

0:29:21.405 --> 0:29:24.605
<v Speaker 3>the hospital. Bob wrote in his book that he didn't

0:29:24.645 --> 0:29:27.325
<v Speaker 3>go to the hospital often during that period. He said

0:29:27.325 --> 0:29:30.085
<v Speaker 3>that some people might not have understood it, but working

0:29:30.125 --> 0:29:32.245
<v Speaker 3>on cars and doing stuff at home was his way

0:29:32.285 --> 0:29:36.045
<v Speaker 3>of coping. Others said he seemed a bit cold toward

0:29:36.085 --> 0:29:39.685
<v Speaker 3>his wife, the one he had appeared to adore. Meanwhile,

0:29:39.685 --> 0:29:41.685
<v Speaker 3>Bob wrote in his book that after Anna was shot

0:29:42.205 --> 0:29:45.125
<v Speaker 3>while she was in the hospital and after she died,

0:29:46.005 --> 0:29:50.005
<v Speaker 3>Bob claimed that he was enraged by Doug's alleged involvement

0:29:50.205 --> 0:29:53.565
<v Speaker 3>with April, his underage daughter, and he said that he

0:29:53.645 --> 0:29:56.325
<v Speaker 3>went to see a judge in Sabine County. And in

0:29:56.365 --> 0:29:59.525
<v Speaker 3>his book Bob claimed that the Justice of the Peace

0:29:59.645 --> 0:30:03.285
<v Speaker 3>and the judge were both Doug's BFFs, and, in his words,

0:30:03.805 --> 0:30:05.005
<v Speaker 3>out to get him.

0:30:05.565 --> 0:30:07.685
<v Speaker 1>Called the judge and made an appointment with him to

0:30:07.725 --> 0:30:10.845
<v Speaker 1>talk about Aggie molesting June. And when I got to

0:30:10.885 --> 0:30:14.765
<v Speaker 1>the courthouse and went up to the judge's office, Jake Butt,

0:30:14.925 --> 0:30:18.765
<v Speaker 1>the JP, who was Aggie's friend, moved a chair over

0:30:18.805 --> 0:30:21.725
<v Speaker 1>beside the judge's desk and said to have a seat.

0:30:21.765 --> 0:30:25.485
<v Speaker 1>As he closed the door, the judge asked me how

0:30:25.485 --> 0:30:27.725
<v Speaker 1>can I help you? And I said I would like

0:30:27.765 --> 0:30:31.165
<v Speaker 1>to have Aggie arrested for molesting a minor, my daughter.

0:30:32.245 --> 0:30:34.925
<v Speaker 1>They both sat there and told me I couldn't do

0:30:35.045 --> 0:30:38.365
<v Speaker 1>that because it was up to June. If she didn't complain,

0:30:38.765 --> 0:30:41.925
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't do anything about it. I argued with them

0:30:41.965 --> 0:30:44.685
<v Speaker 1>that it was on her confession that I was her

0:30:44.765 --> 0:30:48.405
<v Speaker 1>father and she was a miner. It was frustrating to

0:30:48.485 --> 0:30:51.445
<v Speaker 1>have the judge and JP sit there and tell me

0:30:51.565 --> 0:30:54.645
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't do anything about it. I left there mad

0:30:54.685 --> 0:30:58.285
<v Speaker 1>and frustrated. So the next day I drove to Lufkin

0:30:58.445 --> 0:31:00.845
<v Speaker 1>and went to the FBI and told them my story,

0:31:00.965 --> 0:31:02.765
<v Speaker 1>and the agent went out of the room for a

0:31:02.765 --> 0:31:05.525
<v Speaker 1>few minutes and came back and told me that he

0:31:05.525 --> 0:31:08.365
<v Speaker 1>he sympathized with me, but he flat out told me

0:31:08.685 --> 0:31:11.725
<v Speaker 1>that one thing the FBI doesn't do is mess with

0:31:11.805 --> 0:31:14.645
<v Speaker 1>elected officials. And that ended that.

0:31:15.285 --> 0:31:18.925
<v Speaker 3>This is absolutely not true. Statutory rape laws have been

0:31:18.965 --> 0:31:21.485
<v Speaker 3>on the books in Texas since nineteen sixty nine, and

0:31:21.565 --> 0:31:24.645
<v Speaker 3>it's defined as when an adult engages in some type

0:31:24.645 --> 0:31:27.485
<v Speaker 3>of sexual activity with a child under the age of seventeen.

0:31:28.125 --> 0:31:30.605
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't matter if the underage person doesn't want to

0:31:30.645 --> 0:31:34.725
<v Speaker 3>report it. In addition, there's aggravated sexual assault of a

0:31:34.805 --> 0:31:39.005
<v Speaker 3>child that's defined as sexual penetration. However, slight of or

0:31:39.045 --> 0:31:41.965
<v Speaker 3>by a child thirteen and younger by a person of

0:31:42.005 --> 0:31:46.365
<v Speaker 3>any age. Because April was thirteen at the time, this

0:31:46.365 --> 0:31:49.125
<v Speaker 3>could have been a first degree felony, one that if

0:31:49.165 --> 0:31:51.965
<v Speaker 3>Doug had been found guilty, he would have faced a

0:31:52.045 --> 0:31:54.845
<v Speaker 3>minimum of five years in prison and a maximum of

0:31:54.925 --> 0:31:57.365
<v Speaker 3>up to ninety nine years, plus a fine of up

0:31:57.365 --> 0:32:00.845
<v Speaker 3>to ten thousand dollars. Now, there's no way to know

0:32:00.965 --> 0:32:04.125
<v Speaker 3>for sure if one of Doug's friends told Bob incorrect information,

0:32:04.845 --> 0:32:07.005
<v Speaker 3>but I do believe he could have pursued it further.

0:32:07.685 --> 0:32:10.485
<v Speaker 3>April told Yvaughn that Doug had touched her sexually and

0:32:10.565 --> 0:32:16.085
<v Speaker 3>specifically mentioned digital penetration. At that point, Bob claims he

0:32:16.125 --> 0:32:19.205
<v Speaker 3>started doing some checking on Doug's background. He said he

0:32:19.285 --> 0:32:21.005
<v Speaker 3>discovered that Doug had been run out of the town

0:32:21.045 --> 0:32:23.725
<v Speaker 3>he was living in before because of his involvement with

0:32:23.805 --> 0:32:27.165
<v Speaker 3>another very young woman. We have not been able to

0:32:27.205 --> 0:32:31.205
<v Speaker 3>confirm that, but we are looking into the rumors that

0:32:31.245 --> 0:32:35.205
<v Speaker 3>Doug could have had previous alleged victims. Bob decided to

0:32:35.245 --> 0:32:38.005
<v Speaker 3>reach out to Doug's wife, Terry at the time when

0:32:38.005 --> 0:32:39.085
<v Speaker 3>he was involved with April.

0:32:39.845 --> 0:32:40.485
<v Speaker 4>Bob said.

0:32:40.645 --> 0:32:42.565
<v Speaker 3>Terry told him she had found out a lot of

0:32:42.565 --> 0:32:46.085
<v Speaker 3>information about Doug after they were married. She said he

0:32:46.125 --> 0:32:49.285
<v Speaker 3>had nothing to his name, he had committed fraud. We

0:32:49.405 --> 0:32:51.285
<v Speaker 3>talked to Terry and we're going to get a lot

0:32:51.365 --> 0:32:54.885
<v Speaker 3>more into what she had to say next week. We

0:32:55.005 --> 0:32:58.445
<v Speaker 3>have heard from multiple people that Terry and Doug never

0:32:58.565 --> 0:33:02.885
<v Speaker 3>actually lived together. The person he was romantically interested in

0:33:03.005 --> 0:33:07.005
<v Speaker 3>at that point, we're told, was April. So now Bob

0:33:07.085 --> 0:33:10.685
<v Speaker 3>knew that Doug had sexually assaulted April, but.

0:33:10.725 --> 0:33:14.045
<v Speaker 4>Again he seemed to turn things around on her.

0:33:14.725 --> 0:33:17.245
<v Speaker 1>I had told June we couldn't have anything to do

0:33:17.285 --> 0:33:20.565
<v Speaker 1>with Augie anymore because people would be watching her to

0:33:20.605 --> 0:33:23.365
<v Speaker 1>see if they got back together. I could tell that

0:33:23.365 --> 0:33:26.405
<v Speaker 1>didn't go over very well. She had been back with

0:33:26.485 --> 0:33:28.925
<v Speaker 1>me for only a few weeks when the law came

0:33:28.965 --> 0:33:32.365
<v Speaker 1>out to arrest me because June had written a confession

0:33:32.645 --> 0:33:35.645
<v Speaker 1>that I killed Barb and signed my name to it.

0:33:36.485 --> 0:33:39.325
<v Speaker 3>Now, April's court records because she was a juvenile, had

0:33:39.365 --> 0:33:43.285
<v Speaker 3>been sealed, but we discovered that police supposedly ruled out

0:33:43.285 --> 0:33:46.245
<v Speaker 3>that confession. They believed it was fake because it was

0:33:46.325 --> 0:33:50.285
<v Speaker 3>not in Bob's handwriting. We don't know for sure because

0:33:50.365 --> 0:33:53.365
<v Speaker 3>These records are sealed because April was a juvenile, but

0:33:54.085 --> 0:33:57.325
<v Speaker 3>police did not move forward with charging Bob, so it

0:33:57.405 --> 0:34:00.845
<v Speaker 3>was April who was charged with her mother's murder. After

0:34:00.885 --> 0:34:05.445
<v Speaker 3>a two day trial, April was found not guilty. April

0:34:05.685 --> 0:34:09.245
<v Speaker 3>spent some time in foster care, but eventually she returned

0:34:09.285 --> 0:34:12.445
<v Speaker 3>home to her father. The way Bob tells it, for

0:34:12.485 --> 0:34:15.085
<v Speaker 3>the next few years, things were pretty calm and he

0:34:15.125 --> 0:34:18.605
<v Speaker 3>and April got along. Bob said that April did not

0:34:18.725 --> 0:34:21.445
<v Speaker 3>date anyone or express any interest in doing so.

0:34:22.325 --> 0:34:24.045
<v Speaker 4>He said he told her this.

0:34:24.605 --> 0:34:27.525
<v Speaker 1>I'll always be here for you, but just stay out

0:34:27.525 --> 0:34:30.645
<v Speaker 1>of trouble. Everyone will be watching to see if you

0:34:30.805 --> 0:34:33.605
<v Speaker 1>go to Augie and that could be trouble for you,

0:34:34.325 --> 0:34:36.925
<v Speaker 1>so beware of that and just don't burn any bridges.

0:34:37.765 --> 0:34:42.045
<v Speaker 3>But then, he claims, April, without his knowledge, kept reaching

0:34:42.085 --> 0:34:46.605
<v Speaker 3>out to Doug. In his book, Bob talked about a

0:34:46.645 --> 0:34:49.645
<v Speaker 3>sixty eight year old retired widower named David, a guy

0:34:49.645 --> 0:34:52.405
<v Speaker 3>who would help them haul bales for their horses. Now,

0:34:52.405 --> 0:34:56.045
<v Speaker 3>these bales weighed five hundred to one thousand pounds. David

0:34:56.125 --> 0:34:58.685
<v Speaker 3>supposedly did these favors for them for years and never

0:34:58.765 --> 0:35:01.965
<v Speaker 3>asked for anything in return. Bob sort of tells this

0:35:02.085 --> 0:35:04.445
<v Speaker 3>story as if it's just a kind neighbor, but honestly

0:35:05.725 --> 0:35:08.365
<v Speaker 3>that generally people don't do things for free, especially if

0:35:08.405 --> 0:35:11.405
<v Speaker 3>they hang around your young daughter. When it comes to

0:35:11.525 --> 0:35:15.565
<v Speaker 3>older adults hanging around with underage kids for no reason,

0:35:16.085 --> 0:35:20.285
<v Speaker 3>too good to be true usually is the guy. David

0:35:20.485 --> 0:35:23.405
<v Speaker 3>told Bob that April had been secretly calling Doug from

0:35:23.445 --> 0:35:26.925
<v Speaker 3>her cell phone while they were working together. David told

0:35:26.965 --> 0:35:30.085
<v Speaker 3>Bob something else. He said that April had told another

0:35:30.125 --> 0:35:32.805
<v Speaker 3>one of their neighbors that David made his sexual advance

0:35:32.805 --> 0:35:36.205
<v Speaker 3>toward her. David said this was absolutely not true. He

0:35:36.325 --> 0:35:39.045
<v Speaker 3>believed that April was trying to blackmail him so that

0:35:39.085 --> 0:35:41.125
<v Speaker 3>he would not tell her father about the cell phone

0:35:41.165 --> 0:35:44.725
<v Speaker 3>and the calls to Doug. Once again, Bob believed his

0:35:44.765 --> 0:35:48.205
<v Speaker 3>friend over his daughter. What is so sad about this

0:35:48.245 --> 0:35:51.685
<v Speaker 3>to me is that either way, whether that specific accusation

0:35:51.845 --> 0:35:55.085
<v Speaker 3>was true or not, April had learned a very hard lesson.

0:35:55.405 --> 0:35:57.325
<v Speaker 3>She was not going to be protected by the men

0:35:57.365 --> 0:35:59.845
<v Speaker 3>close to her, and possibly that she would have to

0:35:59.925 --> 0:36:04.165
<v Speaker 3>use manipulation with sexual power the only power she probably

0:36:04.165 --> 0:36:08.885
<v Speaker 3>felt she had to get what she wanted. When April

0:36:08.925 --> 0:36:12.565
<v Speaker 3>was seventeen she enrolled in a community college in Minnie, Louisiana.

0:36:13.125 --> 0:36:16.645
<v Speaker 3>She was studying to become a nurse's aid. Shortly after that,

0:36:17.045 --> 0:36:19.965
<v Speaker 3>Bob claims, April basically took all of her stuff and

0:36:20.045 --> 0:36:23.125
<v Speaker 3>left his house for good, leaving a note to let

0:36:23.165 --> 0:36:24.605
<v Speaker 3>him know she was okay.

0:36:24.885 --> 0:36:27.005
<v Speaker 1>As far as I was concerned, I did my best

0:36:27.165 --> 0:36:30.085
<v Speaker 1>and got her through high school and into college. She

0:36:30.165 --> 0:36:32.725
<v Speaker 1>had a nice truck that was paid for, a brand

0:36:32.725 --> 0:36:36.285
<v Speaker 1>new motorcycle paid for, and she was gone. It really

0:36:36.365 --> 0:36:39.005
<v Speaker 1>hurt that she had to do me that way, leaving

0:36:39.045 --> 0:36:39.805
<v Speaker 1>the way she did.

0:36:41.125 --> 0:36:43.645
<v Speaker 3>Bob said that it was only then, when he was

0:36:43.685 --> 0:36:46.885
<v Speaker 3>cleaning up april stuff, that he found April's confession in

0:36:46.925 --> 0:36:50.565
<v Speaker 3>a hidden gun cabinet, the one that was written years ago,

0:36:51.005 --> 0:36:53.805
<v Speaker 3>the one that the police had supposedly dismissed because it

0:36:53.805 --> 0:36:55.405
<v Speaker 3>did not match Bob's handwriting.

0:36:56.565 --> 0:36:59.205
<v Speaker 1>June figured I wouldn't find this for a long time,

0:37:00.045 --> 0:37:02.365
<v Speaker 1>or there were plans something was going to happen to

0:37:02.405 --> 0:37:05.125
<v Speaker 1>me too. This would be found and there would be

0:37:05.645 --> 0:37:08.685
<v Speaker 1>no one to say it wasn't my handwriting. I guess

0:37:08.685 --> 0:37:11.485
<v Speaker 1>I'll have to accept it, and I don't want anything

0:37:11.525 --> 0:37:14.645
<v Speaker 1>to do with that little girl anymore. I just can't

0:37:14.725 --> 0:37:17.805
<v Speaker 1>understand how anyone could do that to their own mother.

0:37:18.725 --> 0:37:21.005
<v Speaker 1>I told mom, it's hard to believe how she could

0:37:21.045 --> 0:37:23.565
<v Speaker 1>be so quiet and not give us any trouble in

0:37:23.605 --> 0:37:26.605
<v Speaker 1>any other way and do this. I guess it was

0:37:26.685 --> 0:37:29.485
<v Speaker 1>the day after that I started burning everything.

0:37:30.405 --> 0:37:34.445
<v Speaker 4>He ended his book with this, as I look back.

0:37:34.365 --> 0:37:37.805
<v Speaker 1>I will always love my daughter just because she is

0:37:37.885 --> 0:37:41.325
<v Speaker 1>my daughter, I guess, and for the fact that if

0:37:41.365 --> 0:37:44.205
<v Speaker 1>we would not have lived where we did, in such

0:37:44.205 --> 0:37:47.365
<v Speaker 1>a troubled area, with people that had so much influence

0:37:47.405 --> 0:37:50.725
<v Speaker 1>on turning her against her parents, everything would be a

0:37:50.765 --> 0:37:51.885
<v Speaker 1>whole different ballgame.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I need a shower after reading this book.

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<v Speaker 3>This father who literally did zero to protect his underage

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<v Speaker 3>daughter and in fact basically seemed to pimp her out

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<v Speaker 3>for grocery money. All of this book was written in

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<v Speaker 3>such passive voice. In my opinion, Bob utterly failed to

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<v Speaker 3>protect his child. And as a friend of April said,

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<v Speaker 3>and I agree with their view, Bob's book was full

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<v Speaker 3>of holes. They were all so suspicious about these big

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<v Speaker 3>leaps of time. For example, Bob talks about the night

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<v Speaker 3>of the murder and his suspicions, but then said Doug

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<v Speaker 3>was not around at all anymore during April's ten years.

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<v Speaker 3>He only discovered they were talking again and possibly sexually involved,

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<v Speaker 3>right around the time when she turned eighteen, actually a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit before, when she was seventeen.

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<v Speaker 4>I agree with this source.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's very unlikely that Bob only had this

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<v Speaker 3>realization that they were talking again magically right after April

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<v Speaker 3>turned eighteen. In Bob's story, he's the victim and April

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<v Speaker 3>is a manipulative vixen. But there's another side of the story,

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<v Speaker 3>one that tells a very different tale and shows how

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<v Speaker 3>April was repeatedly violated and failed by multiple adults in

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<v Speaker 3>her life.

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<v Speaker 4>We found Terry.

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<v Speaker 3>Dougsac's wife who you'll hear from next week, and several

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<v Speaker 3>other people who were around when this was going on.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of people whose stories have never been told.

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<v Speaker 3>They lay out a very different motive for why Bob

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<v Speaker 3>may have wanted to harm Anna. It turns out that

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<v Speaker 3>Doug Janis was not just sexually intimate with April, he

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<v Speaker 3>was also allegedly having an affair with her mother.

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<v Speaker 4>Anna.

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<v Speaker 6>She called me and said she was so upset, and

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<v Speaker 6>I'd never heard of this upset, And I said, what's

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<v Speaker 6>going on and she said, I found a letter between

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<v Speaker 6>Doug and April and he's messing with my daughter. And

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, are you serious? And she said yes,

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<v Speaker 6>and she said and that is it. She said, I

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<v Speaker 6>told him, don't you ever come over here again? You

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<v Speaker 6>will never ends me exactly what she told me her words,

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<v Speaker 6>She said, I told him, over my dead body, will

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<v Speaker 6>you ever see her again?

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