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Speaker 2: The this is where It's hiking me.

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Speaker 3: Were headed down to Sabine County, Texas, to the place

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Speaker 3: where on December thirteenth, twenty twenty, there was a massive

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Speaker 3: At first, police assumed that it had been some kind

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Speaker 3: another mysterious death that was never fully explained.

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Speaker 4: When we reached out to people about.

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Speaker 3: Doug Janis's death, a lot of them said they wanted

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Speaker 3: They said that right there in Sabine County, people were

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Speaker 3: My research assistant Amy and I headed down to East Texas.

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Speaker 3: This was going to be a wild ride. I'm Catherine Townsend.

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Speaker 4: All right, one more time.

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Speaker 3: We wake up in Sabine County, Texas. We stayed on

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Speaker 2: This is the bridge that divides Texas and Louisiana across

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Speaker 2: the water. And if you believe that April committed this crime,

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Speaker 2: she would have had to cross this bridge, and the

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Speaker 4: And it's a long bridge.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And looking out over the lake, it reminds me

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Speaker 2: So he was murdered on this side. Yes, he was

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Speaker 2: She lived in Louisiana, Okay. And is this the only

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Speaker 5: That's true, And I believe there was only a limited

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Speaker 3: We saw in April's arrest affidavit, which was the one

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Speaker 3: Like Doug, a lot of her background was kind of

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Speaker 3: A Different Ballgame Now. In that book, he described in

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Speaker 3: I won't get into all these petty disputes he had

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Speaker 1: The associations spent their dues on the house side of

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Speaker 3: Bob talked about how April loved to draw as a child.

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Speaker 3: Now this could have just been an innocent comment about

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Speaker 3: and she did not always make it there. Apparently, April

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Speaker 3: Bob's everyone was against his mentality means that as you

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Speaker 1: Occasionally I said, yeah, we can do that, but it

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Speaker 3: Janis had powerful friends in Sabine County. One of Doug's

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Speaker 1: I went outside, hoping that it would end soon. I

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Speaker 1: picked them up and put them back in the pile.

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00:24:10,805 --> 00:24:14,245
Speaker 1: Three different deputies took turns and looked the rifle over

438
00:24:14,325 --> 00:24:17,125
Speaker 1: before throwing it on top of the spare tire in

439
00:24:17,165 --> 00:24:20,485
Speaker 1: the trunk of another deputy's car. It kind of got

440
00:24:20,485 --> 00:24:23,805
Speaker 1: me him dropping it on the metal wheel when I'm

441
00:24:23,845 --> 00:24:27,085
Speaker 1: so particular about my guns. But I had a lot

442
00:24:27,085 --> 00:24:29,405
Speaker 1: more things to worry about than a little thing like that.

443
00:24:30,365 --> 00:24:34,445
Speaker 3: Anna was airlifted to the hospital in Shreveport shortly after April,

444
00:24:34,445 --> 00:24:38,205
Speaker 3: and Bob got to the hospital, police questioned Bob. According

445
00:24:38,205 --> 00:24:43,165
Speaker 3: to Bob, police were suspicious of him. Bob was processing

446
00:24:43,205 --> 00:24:45,205
Speaker 3: the fact that his wife had a horrible fight with

447
00:24:45,245 --> 00:24:48,965
Speaker 3: their daughter and later on the same night, Anna was

448
00:24:49,005 --> 00:24:51,005
Speaker 3: shot in the head and she was now fighting for

449
00:24:51,045 --> 00:24:56,045
Speaker 3: her life in the hospital. Bob and April came home

450
00:24:56,045 --> 00:24:59,245
Speaker 3: from the hospital. Anna was in a coma. The crime

451
00:24:59,285 --> 00:25:02,205
Speaker 3: scene tape was still around their trailer, and at that

452
00:25:02,325 --> 00:25:05,365
Speaker 3: point Doug aka Augie showed up.

453
00:25:06,045 --> 00:25:09,165
Speaker 1: Oggie pulled up and got out, and June went running

454
00:25:09,285 --> 00:25:12,445
Speaker 1: into his arms. He lifted her up off the ground

455
00:25:12,565 --> 00:25:16,685
Speaker 1: and they were both smiling and happy. That pissed me off.

456
00:25:17,605 --> 00:25:20,485
Speaker 1: Then the dog jumped in June's arms, and Aggie just

457
00:25:20,565 --> 00:25:25,045
Speaker 1: kept holding June off the ground, and I said, well,

458
00:25:25,125 --> 00:25:28,525
Speaker 1: aren't you going to turn loose? June dropped the dog,

459
00:25:28,845 --> 00:25:32,365
Speaker 1: but he kept holding June. I gave them a hard

460
00:25:32,405 --> 00:25:36,725
Speaker 1: look and said I didn't mean the dog, and Aggie

461
00:25:36,805 --> 00:25:37,485
Speaker 1: let June.

462
00:25:37,325 --> 00:25:43,325
Speaker 3: Down despite his suspicions. Incredibly, Bob agreed to go to

463
00:25:43,405 --> 00:25:45,845
Speaker 3: the grocery store with Doug so that Doug could buy

464
00:25:45,845 --> 00:25:46,525
Speaker 3: them some food.

465
00:25:47,405 --> 00:25:50,125
Speaker 1: We went into the supermarket and everyone there knew us,

466
00:25:50,645 --> 00:25:53,925
Speaker 1: and June and Aggie were acting too happy in all smiles.

467
00:25:54,565 --> 00:25:57,365
Speaker 1: I had to remind them, I don't know how y'all

468
00:25:57,365 --> 00:25:59,845
Speaker 1: can be so happy when mom is in the intensive

469
00:25:59,925 --> 00:26:03,565
Speaker 1: care and may not live. They got straight faced, but

470
00:26:03,685 --> 00:26:07,685
Speaker 1: snickered at each other, not knowing I was watching. Two

471
00:26:07,685 --> 00:26:10,925
Speaker 1: plus two has always equaled four in my book, and

472
00:26:11,005 --> 00:26:13,765
Speaker 1: my heart sunk as I realized what must have happened

473
00:26:13,765 --> 00:26:18,365
Speaker 1: to June's mother, my wife. Those two lovebirds knew exactly

474
00:26:18,405 --> 00:26:19,085
Speaker 1: what happened.

475
00:26:20,045 --> 00:26:23,005
Speaker 3: I cannot get over how creepy it is that Bob

476
00:26:23,085 --> 00:26:26,045
Speaker 3: referred to his thirteen year old daughter and his forty

477
00:26:26,045 --> 00:26:29,565
Speaker 3: something year old friend who had raped or sexually assaulted her,

478
00:26:29,605 --> 00:26:34,165
Speaker 3: as lovebirds. Bob began to suspect that Doug and April were,

479
00:26:34,165 --> 00:26:37,845
Speaker 3: in his words, not mine, dating, and that Doug may

480
00:26:37,845 --> 00:26:41,605
Speaker 3: have been involved in Anna's murder or possibly even masterminded it.

481
00:26:42,725 --> 00:26:45,445
Speaker 3: His suspicions were raised further after he talked to his

482
00:26:45,485 --> 00:26:48,565
Speaker 3: friend Greg, Doug's next door neighbor, the one who came

483
00:26:48,605 --> 00:26:51,525
Speaker 3: to the house that night. Bob wrote that that person

484
00:26:51,605 --> 00:26:54,405
Speaker 3: told him that another resident of the neighborhood and his

485
00:26:54,445 --> 00:26:55,445
Speaker 3: wife saw this.

486
00:26:56,125 --> 00:26:58,445
Speaker 1: They had seen Oggy coming home the back way in

487
00:26:58,485 --> 00:27:01,645
Speaker 1: a real hurry around four am the morning my wife

488
00:27:01,725 --> 00:27:05,165
Speaker 1: got shot. That led me to believe Oggie did the shooting.

489
00:27:05,645 --> 00:27:08,165
Speaker 1: I couldn't bring myself to believe my daughter could be

490
00:27:08,245 --> 00:27:11,645
Speaker 1: so cold hearted as to shoot her own mom while

491
00:27:11,685 --> 00:27:13,085
Speaker 1: she was asleep on the couch.

492
00:27:14,125 --> 00:27:17,645
Speaker 3: Bob's friend's wife was very close to April. They had

493
00:27:17,725 --> 00:27:21,245
Speaker 3: known her since the mid nineties and watched her grow up.

494
00:27:22,325 --> 00:27:24,885
Speaker 3: April went over to the friend's house and talked to

495
00:27:24,925 --> 00:27:28,165
Speaker 3: his wife, and then Bob claims that his friend's wife

496
00:27:28,205 --> 00:27:30,845
Speaker 3: called him and said that April had confessed to her

497
00:27:31,325 --> 00:27:33,485
Speaker 3: that she had told her in tears that she had

498
00:27:33,525 --> 00:27:38,205
Speaker 3: shot her mother Anna. According to this woman, April had

499
00:27:38,285 --> 00:27:40,805
Speaker 3: also allegedly admitted that she and Doug were in love,

500
00:27:41,325 --> 00:27:44,285
Speaker 3: and the woman said that quote she told us all

501
00:27:44,325 --> 00:27:47,685
Speaker 3: about her and Augie going parking and denied making love

502
00:27:47,725 --> 00:27:50,485
Speaker 3: to him, but he did hurt her down there with

503
00:27:50,525 --> 00:27:55,445
Speaker 3: his big fingers end quote. This is where things get

504
00:27:55,485 --> 00:27:59,005
Speaker 3: even more weird. Bob claims he couldn't believe that his

505
00:27:59,125 --> 00:28:02,765
Speaker 3: daughter could have killed his wife in cold blood. Yet

506
00:28:02,765 --> 00:28:06,725
Speaker 3: at the same time, he says April wasn't allowed to

507
00:28:06,765 --> 00:28:09,725
Speaker 3: talk to him on the advice of lawyers. So again

508
00:28:09,765 --> 00:28:11,885
Speaker 3: we're only getting part of the story from Bob. He's

509
00:28:11,925 --> 00:28:14,965
Speaker 3: definitely leaving things out here, but it certainly seems like

510
00:28:15,045 --> 00:28:18,205
Speaker 3: police may have suspected maybe it was Bob who shot

511
00:28:18,205 --> 00:28:21,525
Speaker 3: his wife, and certain aspects of his story are suspect,

512
00:28:21,925 --> 00:28:24,445
Speaker 3: including the fact that he didn't hear the gunshot and

513
00:28:24,965 --> 00:28:27,685
Speaker 3: he made such a point of explaining in his story

514
00:28:27,805 --> 00:28:32,605
Speaker 3: why he was naked. There's something else we found. The

515
00:28:32,645 --> 00:28:36,125
Speaker 3: neighbor who Bob mentioned. Her name is Yvonne. She was

516
00:28:36,165 --> 00:28:38,245
Speaker 3: with her husband at the house on the night that

517
00:28:38,285 --> 00:28:41,765
Speaker 3: Anna was shot, and she confirmed the part of the

518
00:28:41,845 --> 00:28:46,965
Speaker 3: story where April told her that Doug had allegedly assaulted April.

519
00:28:47,645 --> 00:28:49,725
Speaker 6: I know he's a molest in her there's no offense

520
00:28:49,845 --> 00:28:50,485
Speaker 6: but about it.

521
00:28:51,565 --> 00:28:55,485
Speaker 3: But Yvonne didn't confirm everything Bob said. She said there

522
00:28:55,525 --> 00:28:57,965
Speaker 3: was something else that she noticed on the night of

523
00:28:58,005 --> 00:28:58,605
Speaker 3: Anna's death.

524
00:28:59,805 --> 00:29:02,845
Speaker 6: She was fresh and clean from a shower, Her hair

525
00:29:02,965 --> 00:29:06,645
Speaker 6: was wet, she snowed like soap. And the reason why

526
00:29:06,685 --> 00:29:08,645
Speaker 6: that sticks out in my mind is because most of

527
00:29:08,645 --> 00:29:13,525
Speaker 6: the time April was dirty.

528
00:29:15,565 --> 00:29:18,165
Speaker 3: Two weeks after Anna Thompson was shot in her home,

529
00:29:18,725 --> 00:29:21,405
Speaker 3: she was removed from life support and she died at

530
00:29:21,405 --> 00:29:24,605
Speaker 3: the hospital. Bob wrote in his book that he didn't

531
00:29:24,645 --> 00:29:27,325
Speaker 3: go to the hospital often during that period. He said

532
00:29:27,325 --> 00:29:30,085
Speaker 3: that some people might not have understood it, but working

533
00:29:30,125 --> 00:29:32,245
Speaker 3: on cars and doing stuff at home was his way

534
00:29:32,285 --> 00:29:36,045
Speaker 3: of coping. Others said he seemed a bit cold toward

535
00:29:36,085 --> 00:29:39,685
Speaker 3: his wife, the one he had appeared to adore. Meanwhile,

536
00:29:39,685 --> 00:29:41,685
Speaker 3: Bob wrote in his book that after Anna was shot

537
00:29:42,205 --> 00:29:45,125
Speaker 3: while she was in the hospital and after she died,

538
00:29:46,005 --> 00:29:50,005
Speaker 3: Bob claimed that he was enraged by Doug's alleged involvement

539
00:29:50,205 --> 00:29:53,565
Speaker 3: with April, his underage daughter, and he said that he

540
00:29:53,645 --> 00:29:56,325
Speaker 3: went to see a judge in Sabine County. And in

541
00:29:56,365 --> 00:29:59,525
Speaker 3: his book Bob claimed that the Justice of the Peace

542
00:29:59,645 --> 00:30:03,285
Speaker 3: and the judge were both Doug's BFFs, and, in his words,

543
00:30:03,805 --> 00:30:05,005
Speaker 3: out to get him.

544
00:30:05,565 --> 00:30:07,685
Speaker 1: Called the judge and made an appointment with him to

545
00:30:07,725 --> 00:30:10,845
Speaker 1: talk about Aggie molesting June. And when I got to

546
00:30:10,885 --> 00:30:14,765
Speaker 1: the courthouse and went up to the judge's office, Jake Butt,

547
00:30:14,925 --> 00:30:18,765
Speaker 1: the JP, who was Aggie's friend, moved a chair over

548
00:30:18,805 --> 00:30:21,725
Speaker 1: beside the judge's desk and said to have a seat.

549
00:30:21,765 --> 00:30:25,485
Speaker 1: As he closed the door, the judge asked me how

550
00:30:25,485 --> 00:30:27,725
Speaker 1: can I help you? And I said I would like

551
00:30:27,765 --> 00:30:31,165
Speaker 1: to have Aggie arrested for molesting a minor, my daughter.

552
00:30:32,245 --> 00:30:34,925
Speaker 1: They both sat there and told me I couldn't do

553
00:30:35,045 --> 00:30:38,365
Speaker 1: that because it was up to June. If she didn't complain,

554
00:30:38,765 --> 00:30:41,925
Speaker 1: I couldn't do anything about it. I argued with them

555
00:30:41,965 --> 00:30:44,685
Speaker 1: that it was on her confession that I was her

556
00:30:44,765 --> 00:30:48,405
Speaker 1: father and she was a miner. It was frustrating to

557
00:30:48,485 --> 00:30:51,445
Speaker 1: have the judge and JP sit there and tell me

558
00:30:51,565 --> 00:30:54,645
Speaker 1: I couldn't do anything about it. I left there mad

559
00:30:54,685 --> 00:30:58,285
Speaker 1: and frustrated. So the next day I drove to Lufkin

560
00:30:58,445 --> 00:31:00,845
Speaker 1: and went to the FBI and told them my story,

561
00:31:00,965 --> 00:31:02,765
Speaker 1: and the agent went out of the room for a

562
00:31:02,765 --> 00:31:05,525
Speaker 1: few minutes and came back and told me that he

563
00:31:05,525 --> 00:31:08,365
Speaker 1: he sympathized with me, but he flat out told me

564
00:31:08,685 --> 00:31:11,725
Speaker 1: that one thing the FBI doesn't do is mess with

565
00:31:11,805 --> 00:31:14,645
Speaker 1: elected officials. And that ended that.

566
00:31:15,285 --> 00:31:18,925
Speaker 3: This is absolutely not true. Statutory rape laws have been

567
00:31:18,965 --> 00:31:21,485
Speaker 3: on the books in Texas since nineteen sixty nine, and

568
00:31:21,565 --> 00:31:24,645
Speaker 3: it's defined as when an adult engages in some type

569
00:31:24,645 --> 00:31:27,485
Speaker 3: of sexual activity with a child under the age of seventeen.

570
00:31:28,125 --> 00:31:30,605
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if the underage person doesn't want to

571
00:31:30,645 --> 00:31:34,725
Speaker 3: report it. In addition, there's aggravated sexual assault of a

572
00:31:34,805 --> 00:31:39,005
Speaker 3: child that's defined as sexual penetration. However, slight of or

573
00:31:39,045 --> 00:31:41,965
Speaker 3: by a child thirteen and younger by a person of

574
00:31:42,005 --> 00:31:46,365
Speaker 3: any age. Because April was thirteen at the time, this

575
00:31:46,365 --> 00:31:49,125
Speaker 3: could have been a first degree felony, one that if

576
00:31:49,165 --> 00:31:51,965
Speaker 3: Doug had been found guilty, he would have faced a

577
00:31:52,045 --> 00:31:54,845
Speaker 3: minimum of five years in prison and a maximum of

578
00:31:54,925 --> 00:31:57,365
Speaker 3: up to ninety nine years, plus a fine of up

579
00:31:57,365 --> 00:32:00,845
Speaker 3: to ten thousand dollars. Now, there's no way to know

580
00:32:00,965 --> 00:32:04,125
Speaker 3: for sure if one of Doug's friends told Bob incorrect information,

581
00:32:04,845 --> 00:32:07,005
Speaker 3: but I do believe he could have pursued it further.

582
00:32:07,685 --> 00:32:10,485
Speaker 3: April told Yvaughn that Doug had touched her sexually and

583
00:32:10,565 --> 00:32:16,085
Speaker 3: specifically mentioned digital penetration. At that point, Bob claims he

584
00:32:16,125 --> 00:32:19,205
Speaker 3: started doing some checking on Doug's background. He said he

585
00:32:19,285 --> 00:32:21,005
Speaker 3: discovered that Doug had been run out of the town

586
00:32:21,045 --> 00:32:23,725
Speaker 3: he was living in before because of his involvement with

587
00:32:23,805 --> 00:32:27,165
Speaker 3: another very young woman. We have not been able to

588
00:32:27,205 --> 00:32:31,205
Speaker 3: confirm that, but we are looking into the rumors that

589
00:32:31,245 --> 00:32:35,205
Speaker 3: Doug could have had previous alleged victims. Bob decided to

590
00:32:35,245 --> 00:32:38,005
Speaker 3: reach out to Doug's wife, Terry at the time when

591
00:32:38,005 --> 00:32:39,085
Speaker 3: he was involved with April.

592
00:32:39,845 --> 00:32:40,485
Speaker 4: Bob said.

593
00:32:40,645 --> 00:32:42,565
Speaker 3: Terry told him she had found out a lot of

594
00:32:42,565 --> 00:32:46,085
Speaker 3: information about Doug after they were married. She said he

595
00:32:46,125 --> 00:32:49,285
Speaker 3: had nothing to his name, he had committed fraud. We

596
00:32:49,405 --> 00:32:51,285
Speaker 3: talked to Terry and we're going to get a lot

597
00:32:51,365 --> 00:32:54,885
Speaker 3: more into what she had to say next week. We

598
00:32:55,005 --> 00:32:58,445
Speaker 3: have heard from multiple people that Terry and Doug never

599
00:32:58,565 --> 00:33:02,885
Speaker 3: actually lived together. The person he was romantically interested in

600
00:33:03,005 --> 00:33:07,005
Speaker 3: at that point, we're told, was April. So now Bob

601
00:33:07,085 --> 00:33:10,685
Speaker 3: knew that Doug had sexually assaulted April, but.

602
00:33:10,725 --> 00:33:14,045
Speaker 4: Again he seemed to turn things around on her.

603
00:33:14,725 --> 00:33:17,245
Speaker 1: I had told June we couldn't have anything to do

604
00:33:17,285 --> 00:33:20,565
Speaker 1: with Augie anymore because people would be watching her to

605
00:33:20,605 --> 00:33:23,365
Speaker 1: see if they got back together. I could tell that

606
00:33:23,365 --> 00:33:26,405
Speaker 1: didn't go over very well. She had been back with

607
00:33:26,485 --> 00:33:28,925
Speaker 1: me for only a few weeks when the law came

608
00:33:28,965 --> 00:33:32,365
Speaker 1: out to arrest me because June had written a confession

609
00:33:32,645 --> 00:33:35,645
Speaker 1: that I killed Barb and signed my name to it.

610
00:33:36,485 --> 00:33:39,325
Speaker 3: Now, April's court records because she was a juvenile, had

611
00:33:39,365 --> 00:33:43,285
Speaker 3: been sealed, but we discovered that police supposedly ruled out

612
00:33:43,285 --> 00:33:46,245
Speaker 3: that confession. They believed it was fake because it was

613
00:33:46,325 --> 00:33:50,285
Speaker 3: not in Bob's handwriting. We don't know for sure because

614
00:33:50,365 --> 00:33:53,365
Speaker 3: These records are sealed because April was a juvenile, but

615
00:33:54,085 --> 00:33:57,325
Speaker 3: police did not move forward with charging Bob, so it

616
00:33:57,405 --> 00:34:00,845
Speaker 3: was April who was charged with her mother's murder. After

617
00:34:00,885 --> 00:34:05,445
Speaker 3: a two day trial, April was found not guilty. April

618
00:34:05,685 --> 00:34:09,245
Speaker 3: spent some time in foster care, but eventually she returned

619
00:34:09,285 --> 00:34:12,445
Speaker 3: home to her father. The way Bob tells it, for

620
00:34:12,485 --> 00:34:15,085
Speaker 3: the next few years, things were pretty calm and he

621
00:34:15,125 --> 00:34:18,605
Speaker 3: and April got along. Bob said that April did not

622
00:34:18,725 --> 00:34:21,445
Speaker 3: date anyone or express any interest in doing so.

623
00:34:22,325 --> 00:34:24,045
Speaker 4: He said he told her this.

624
00:34:24,605 --> 00:34:27,525
Speaker 1: I'll always be here for you, but just stay out

625
00:34:27,525 --> 00:34:30,645
Speaker 1: of trouble. Everyone will be watching to see if you

626
00:34:30,805 --> 00:34:33,605
Speaker 1: go to Augie and that could be trouble for you,

627
00:34:34,325 --> 00:34:36,925
Speaker 1: so beware of that and just don't burn any bridges.

628
00:34:37,765 --> 00:34:42,045
Speaker 3: But then, he claims, April, without his knowledge, kept reaching

629
00:34:42,085 --> 00:34:46,605
Speaker 3: out to Doug. In his book, Bob talked about a

630
00:34:46,645 --> 00:34:49,645
Speaker 3: sixty eight year old retired widower named David, a guy

631
00:34:49,645 --> 00:34:52,405
Speaker 3: who would help them haul bales for their horses. Now,

632
00:34:52,405 --> 00:34:56,045
Speaker 3: these bales weighed five hundred to one thousand pounds. David

633
00:34:56,125 --> 00:34:58,685
Speaker 3: supposedly did these favors for them for years and never

634
00:34:58,765 --> 00:35:01,965
Speaker 3: asked for anything in return. Bob sort of tells this

635
00:35:02,085 --> 00:35:04,445
Speaker 3: story as if it's just a kind neighbor, but honestly

636
00:35:05,725 --> 00:35:08,365
Speaker 3: that generally people don't do things for free, especially if

637
00:35:08,405 --> 00:35:11,405
Speaker 3: they hang around your young daughter. When it comes to

638
00:35:11,525 --> 00:35:15,565
Speaker 3: older adults hanging around with underage kids for no reason,

639
00:35:16,085 --> 00:35:20,285
Speaker 3: too good to be true usually is the guy. David

640
00:35:20,485 --> 00:35:23,405
Speaker 3: told Bob that April had been secretly calling Doug from

641
00:35:23,445 --> 00:35:26,925
Speaker 3: her cell phone while they were working together. David told

642
00:35:26,965 --> 00:35:30,085
Speaker 3: Bob something else. He said that April had told another

643
00:35:30,125 --> 00:35:32,805
Speaker 3: one of their neighbors that David made his sexual advance

644
00:35:32,805 --> 00:35:36,205
Speaker 3: toward her. David said this was absolutely not true. He

645
00:35:36,325 --> 00:35:39,045
Speaker 3: believed that April was trying to blackmail him so that

646
00:35:39,085 --> 00:35:41,125
Speaker 3: he would not tell her father about the cell phone

647
00:35:41,165 --> 00:35:44,725
Speaker 3: and the calls to Doug. Once again, Bob believed his

648
00:35:44,765 --> 00:35:48,205
Speaker 3: friend over his daughter. What is so sad about this

649
00:35:48,245 --> 00:35:51,685
Speaker 3: to me is that either way, whether that specific accusation

650
00:35:51,845 --> 00:35:55,085
Speaker 3: was true or not, April had learned a very hard lesson.

651
00:35:55,405 --> 00:35:57,325
Speaker 3: She was not going to be protected by the men

652
00:35:57,365 --> 00:35:59,845
Speaker 3: close to her, and possibly that she would have to

653
00:35:59,925 --> 00:36:04,165
Speaker 3: use manipulation with sexual power the only power she probably

654
00:36:04,165 --> 00:36:08,885
Speaker 3: felt she had to get what she wanted. When April

655
00:36:08,925 --> 00:36:12,565
Speaker 3: was seventeen she enrolled in a community college in Minnie, Louisiana.

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Speaker 3: She was studying to become a nurse's aid. Shortly after that,

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Speaker 3: Bob claims, April basically took all of her stuff and

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00:36:20,045 --> 00:36:23,125
Speaker 3: left his house for good, leaving a note to let

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Speaker 3: him know she was okay.

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Speaker 1: As far as I was concerned, I did my best

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Speaker 1: and got her through high school and into college. She

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Speaker 1: had a nice truck that was paid for, a brand

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Speaker 1: new motorcycle paid for, and she was gone. It really

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Speaker 1: hurt that she had to do me that way, leaving

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Speaker 1: the way she did.

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00:36:41,125 --> 00:36:43,645
Speaker 3: Bob said that it was only then, when he was

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00:36:43,685 --> 00:36:46,885
Speaker 3: cleaning up april stuff, that he found April's confession in

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00:36:46,925 --> 00:36:50,565
Speaker 3: a hidden gun cabinet, the one that was written years ago,

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Speaker 3: the one that the police had supposedly dismissed because it

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Speaker 3: did not match Bob's handwriting.

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Speaker 1: June figured I wouldn't find this for a long time,

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Speaker 1: or there were plans something was going to happen to

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Speaker 1: me too. This would be found and there would be

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Speaker 1: no one to say it wasn't my handwriting. I guess

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Speaker 1: I'll have to accept it, and I don't want anything

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00:37:11,525 --> 00:37:14,645
Speaker 1: to do with that little girl anymore. I just can't

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Speaker 1: understand how anyone could do that to their own mother.

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Speaker 1: I told mom, it's hard to believe how she could

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00:37:21,045 --> 00:37:23,565
Speaker 1: be so quiet and not give us any trouble in

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00:37:23,605 --> 00:37:26,605
Speaker 1: any other way and do this. I guess it was

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Speaker 1: the day after that I started burning everything.

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Speaker 4: He ended his book with this, as I look back.

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Speaker 1: I will always love my daughter just because she is

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00:37:37,885 --> 00:37:41,325
Speaker 1: my daughter, I guess, and for the fact that if

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Speaker 1: we would not have lived where we did, in such

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Speaker 1: a troubled area, with people that had so much influence

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Speaker 1: on turning her against her parents, everything would be a

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00:37:50,765 --> 00:37:51,885
Speaker 1: whole different ballgame.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I need a shower after reading this book.

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00:37:55,725 --> 00:37:59,205
Speaker 3: This father who literally did zero to protect his underage

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00:37:59,245 --> 00:38:02,325
Speaker 3: daughter and in fact basically seemed to pimp her out

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00:38:02,365 --> 00:38:05,245
Speaker 3: for grocery money. All of this book was written in

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00:38:05,245 --> 00:38:09,725
Speaker 3: such passive voice. In my opinion, Bob utterly failed to

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Speaker 3: protect his child. And as a friend of April said,

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Speaker 3: and I agree with their view, Bob's book was full

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00:38:15,405 --> 00:38:18,765
Speaker 3: of holes. They were all so suspicious about these big

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00:38:18,885 --> 00:38:21,685
Speaker 3: leaps of time. For example, Bob talks about the night

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00:38:21,725 --> 00:38:24,445
Speaker 3: of the murder and his suspicions, but then said Doug

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00:38:24,525 --> 00:38:26,885
Speaker 3: was not around at all anymore during April's ten years.

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Speaker 3: He only discovered they were talking again and possibly sexually involved,

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Speaker 3: right around the time when she turned eighteen, actually a

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00:38:33,725 --> 00:38:35,565
Speaker 3: little bit before, when she was seventeen.

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Speaker 4: I agree with this source.

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Speaker 3: I think it's very unlikely that Bob only had this

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00:38:40,805 --> 00:38:44,925
Speaker 3: realization that they were talking again magically right after April

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00:38:44,965 --> 00:38:49,685
Speaker 3: turned eighteen. In Bob's story, he's the victim and April

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00:38:49,765 --> 00:38:52,845
Speaker 3: is a manipulative vixen. But there's another side of the story,

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00:38:53,245 --> 00:38:56,445
Speaker 3: one that tells a very different tale and shows how

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00:38:56,485 --> 00:39:00,685
Speaker 3: April was repeatedly violated and failed by multiple adults in

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Speaker 3: her life.

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Speaker 4: We found Terry.

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Speaker 3: Dougsac's wife who you'll hear from next week, and several

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00:39:06,725 --> 00:39:09,085
Speaker 3: other people who were around when this was going on.

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00:39:09,805 --> 00:39:12,325
Speaker 3: A lot of people whose stories have never been told.

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Speaker 3: They lay out a very different motive for why Bob

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Speaker 3: may have wanted to harm Anna. It turns out that

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00:39:20,085 --> 00:39:24,165
Speaker 3: Doug Janis was not just sexually intimate with April, he

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Speaker 3: was also allegedly having an affair with her mother.

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Speaker 4: Anna.

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Speaker 6: She called me and said she was so upset, and

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Speaker 6: I'd never heard of this upset, And I said, what's

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Speaker 6: going on and she said, I found a letter between

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Speaker 6: Doug and April and he's messing with my daughter. And

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Speaker 6: I was like, are you serious? And she said yes,

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Speaker 6: and she said and that is it. She said, I

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Speaker 6: told him, don't you ever come over here again? You

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00:39:51,845 --> 00:39:54,805
Speaker 6: will never ends me exactly what she told me her words,

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Speaker 6: She said, I told him, over my dead body, will

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Speaker 6: you ever see her again?

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Speaker 3: I'm Catherine Townsend. This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Helen

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Speaker 3: Townsend and produced by Gabby Watts and Miranda Hawkins. Special

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