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Speaker 1: We're getting ready for the NCAA tournament for champion Week,

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Speaker 1: the call for Westwood one. So what I'm gonna try

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Speaker 1: The breakdown of the two teams. Obviously got Kentucky, Tennessee

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Speaker 1: But Kansas has been the better program, even thyre not

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Speaker 1: Let's start with is it Masacon? Is that? What it is?

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Speaker 1: Whatever it is? The Camden High School's coached by Malik

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Speaker 1: game change, you're right, But here's a definitive if that

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Speaker 1: how you reconcile that, like our team is still playing when,

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Speaker 1: Because there is no world in which that's a good decision.

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Speaker 1: Are you moving to Charleston? You're you moving to Charleston.

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Speaker 4: Burst out of the scene here lately. Right, Montana State

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I think leon Rice has a shot there,

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Speaker 4: With obviously Troy Danon coming from Tulane, who else he

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Speaker 1: Do you know that I was, I guess a finalist

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Speaker 1: So I I had a great I know with Troy too.

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Speaker 1: You know, Troy started at Northern Iowa, right, and then

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, okay, So if Leon doesn't get Washington, yeah, right,

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Speaker 4: You know, It's weird because I think everybody thinks that

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Speaker 4: if you think about it, doesn't it make more sense

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Speaker 4: to me, doesn't it make more sense to give it

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Speaker 1: It does, But I also think maybe that ship is sailed.

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't.

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Speaker 2: You're probably right, You're probably right. I just don't know why.

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Speaker 4: Jeff very hot the only you know, the ad the

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Speaker 4: an atrocious job there other than one half of one seasons.

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Speaker 4: He left competition though, but he's gonna have competition. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Kyle Smith, well, he's done a great job, Doug, and

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Speaker 4: he has really tough spots, right, we know Colombia, San

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Speaker 4: Chris Mack is gonna be in the mix, right, Chris

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Speaker 2: Could Chris Holtman want it? Their resume is a stronger now.

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Speaker 4: That they've had much better jobs, obviously, but the question

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Speaker 4: is what do you do if you're Vandy. Are you

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Speaker 4: but it's also in the SEC Doug, so it's not

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Speaker 4: like it's your typical academic job. You've got to be

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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I was We'll get we'll circle back

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Speaker 4: Yeah, didn't he turn that down about ten years ago.

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Speaker 4: He turned that down about ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: I know what level of job, like a Washington State like,

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Speaker 4: Not good job, not a good job. But again the

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Speaker 2: Now? You're making good money at Boise.

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Speaker 4: But if you're if you're gonna double your your salary,

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Speaker 1: But but I guess here's the here's here's the other

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Speaker 4: Not gonna pay No, You're you're probably gonna go young

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Speaker 4: They don't too much money still, you know from that

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Speaker 1: And obviously no no Irank Kevin Stallings at Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: That's number all time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but that no, but given Tinkle give and Tinkle

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Speaker 1: Plus they were five hundred that year.

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Speaker 1: Listen, listen, listen. I like Scott as well, for people

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Speaker 2: I don't think that was him.

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Speaker 1: and if you're gonna you're gonna give him a bump, like,

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Speaker 1: give him a bump. It doesn't have to be over

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Speaker 4: Can I give you the best example? Can I give

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Speaker 1: Which stop right now?

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Speaker 4: Dennis Gates. Dennis Gates, they gave him guaranteed money. Desi

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Speaker 2: How many wins do they have in the league this year?

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Speaker 2: Doug zero zero?

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Speaker 4: It's amazing I mean that that's the problem is these

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Speaker 4: we're not giving you that much guaranteed money. Uh, you

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Speaker 4: did it for one year. That's great. If you want

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Speaker 2: That's better. We gave you a.

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Speaker 1: Job right when he didn't didn't have one. Yeah, a

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Speaker 4: Matter though, but those still matter. All that matters is

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Speaker 1: That's in the length of the contract.

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Speaker 4: Bill self's got a lifetime deal done, but it's buyout.

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Speaker 1: Please. You just mentioned we just talked about Dennis Gates

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Speaker 4: But again Lamont Paris, an Ohio native, could be in

434
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 4: the mix here. We don't know if Dusty May will

435
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 4: definitely take it again. If you kind of look at

436
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 4: the tea leaves, it makes a lot of sense, right.

437
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: It fits him.

438
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 4: You know, he's a guy that doesn't love the limelight.

439
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 4: He'd rather every everybody close to him has told me

440
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 4: he would rather Ohio State than Indiana, where he was

441
00:24:53,880 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 4: a manager. Anyway, he hired Andy Miller, the former NBA

442
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 4: agent who's now repping college coaches, some not many. Andy

443
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 4: Miller works with Rich Paul at Clutch. Last I checked,

444
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 4: Lebron was a big Ohio State fan. So I think

445
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 4: Rich Paul is also, you know, the from Ohio. So

446
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 4: I think that's a natural fit for Dusty at the

447
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 4: end of the day, and Dusty going through what he's

448
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 4: going through right now this year, with like barely getting

449
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 4: in the tournament, I think he realizes. Okay, Joe, I

450
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 4: really want to be in the A. I love Boca,

451
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 4: but is it worth it. I'm basically in a one

452
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 4: bid league right now. I'm basically gonna be a one

453
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 4: bid league.

454
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: No, you gotta get the fuck out, correct, correct?

455
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: You do? Lamont Paris Sean Miller. You know, I think

456
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: he's on the list, but I don't. I don't know

457
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: how high up he is. I think they want.

458
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 4: Dusty, and I think Dusty ultimately will end up taking it.

459
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: Okay, who gets fort Atlantic?

460
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 4: So Josh Shurtz went to school there from Indiana State.

461
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: He went to fa.

462
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: Indiana State for Florida Atlantic.

463
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I don't think so.

464
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 4: I don't think it makes sense in any regard because

465
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 4: it's not a great job. We know that you don't

466
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 4: want to follow a dusty man.

467
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 2: Now, I don't know. I don't think one of the

468
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: assistants will will get it.

469
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 4: I think Abernathy and Kyle Church have done a great

470
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 4: job there and they probably should get it. But I

471
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 4: think you know, uh, White will we'll we'll swing for

472
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 4: the fences there and try to get a big name.

473
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 4: He's got a million dollars to work with. I could

474
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 4: see him trying to bring in a you know, hopefully

475
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 4: not a recirculated guy.

476
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: But then if you go young up and comer, who

477
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: are you getting? Like, who are you getting?

478
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: Would you go Josh Pastor?

479
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 2: There?

480
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: It's Florida Lank has been a place. You know, they

481
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: recessed it. They were laying Kippen's career. And I not

482
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: that it's the same as Pastor, but Pastor might might

483
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 1: make sense there that that type of he he's still

484
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: young ish and yet he needs another spot. And as

485
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: the same kind of energy is as dusty that one

486
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: could be to be in.

487
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 2: You mentioned I like Josh Rice. If Rice open, I.

488
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: Have heard Rice is potentially very close ye ye, And

489
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: and uh that that one would make would make some sense,

490
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: would would make some sense? Uh what else? What?

491
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 4: What?

492
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: What other shoes are gonna drive? We're waiting for Virginia. Okay,

493
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: let's let's go left Virginia. Okay, So they Long, I

494
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: mean most people believe that Ren Baker Long had an

495
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: infatuation with Dusty. Dusty has told people his dad was

496
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: a coal miner, you know, so there's all these connections.

497
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: They have a lot of money, they have n I

498
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: l way better job than people think. Okay, so if

499
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: if not Dusty, then who.

500
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 4: I mean the name floating around a lot is Mark

501
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 4: Buyington and James Madison.

502
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,239
Speaker 2: They may not make the tournament. I mean they were

503
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: great early.

504
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 4: You know. You look at him, you look at Josh Shurtz,

505
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 4: you look at the other guy in the Sun Belt

506
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 4: who won the Sun Belt, Dustin Kerns at our state,

507
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 4: a Nico medbed. Guys like that, I think they're gonna

508
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 4: end up with a mid major coach. For the most part,

509
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 4: I'd be surprised if they don't.

510
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: The next one.

511
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 4: Look at well I mean, you know, obviously I think

512
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 4: Stanford could pop Monday. You know, Bernard Weir has in

513
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 4: the last couple of years come out and given Jared

514
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 4: Hass a vote of confidence this time of year. He

515
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 4: won't do that now. He told me the other day

516
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 4: he'll meet with Jared the end of the year and

517
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 4: evaluate things. I think evaluating means it's it's over. It's over.

518
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 4: You know, Hass has had talent, so then that I

519
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 4: think is the the probably the most I don't know,

520
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 4: app landing spot for Kyle Smith. And I'm not sure

521
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 4: it's like a great move because it's not like Stanford's

522
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 4: got you know, like like they got to worry about transfers.

523
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: That's hard to get them in.

524
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 4: Do they really care about basketball that much these days?

525
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 4: I don't think it's a great great but like, if

526
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 4: you're Kyle Smith, you've got to get the hell out

527
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 4: of Pullman, don't you.

528
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: You do it?

529
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: And a lot of it reminds you actually of Columbia.

530
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: You know, where you have on campus housing, you know,

531
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: so you save a bunch of money there and yeah,

532
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: you have all kinds of red tape. I mean, it's

533
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: crazy because Stanford used to be the model, right, it

534
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: used to be they used to have the best environment

535
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: maybe in the in the Pacto. Yeah, it's so good,

536
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: and you know it's the model for student athletes, like

537
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: that's where you want to go. Come to the farm

538
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: and and they've had so many successful people in that

539
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: just bat and they were really good basketball. Man. Be

540
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: the acc is hard. I don't know how that's gonna work.

541
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: No one, no one, No one goes anyway. That's hard.

542
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: That's hard. But that's kind of been Kyle. Especially the

543
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: other name there is Russ Turner, right, and yeah he's

544
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, wins the league again in the big last

545
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: kind of institution at you see your vine, that one

546
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: would be a shoe. Why did why did Indiana keep

547
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: Mike Woindson?

548
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 4: I mean, you know again because he did go to

549
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 4: the tournament the last two years and it hasn't been

550
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 4: a complete bottom out like Kenny Payne. Uh like even

551
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 4: Juwan Howard. Now Juwan obviously did a lot more early

552
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 4: in his career. And that'll be one to watch, but

553
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 4: I think there's more. He's one of their own, and

554
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 4: you're gonna give one of your own, especially when a

555
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 4: guy like Quinn Buckner has a lot of juice, and

556
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 4: Quinn played it Indiana and is a board, you know,

557
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 4: on the board some juice there. I just think the

558
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 4: old school people are like, Okay, you know what, he

559
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 4: hasn't done that bad. Now They're gonna have almost four

560
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 4: million dollars in Nile this coming year. So if they

561
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 4: don't get it done this year, it's completely on Mike Woodson.

562
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 4: They got to keep some of the players they have

563
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 4: some retention and then go get a point guard. But

564
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 4: you know, the big thing too, was if Dusty May

565
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 4: was dying to come to Bloomington and like he called

566
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 4: and was like, hey, you know what, yeah, I would

567
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 4: take it now, like.

568
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: This is it.

569
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take Ohio State. If not, but I really

570
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 4: want the Indiana job. It might have been different, but

571
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 4: that wasn't the case. Again, so I think it was like,

572
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 4: who we getting anyway if we make a move on

573
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 4: Woodson right now?

574
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: They lost their all three their includingam McNeil yesterday. Yes,

575
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: but but I actually, I mean he's a he's a

576
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: big loss, big loss, big kid. It could really shoot

577
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: the fucking ball, really just knows how to play. But

578
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: like the reality is, you have that money in the nil.

579
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: You go out and spend it on veteran players, you

580
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: have a much greater likelihood of success, right, you have

581
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: a much better likely to success.

582
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: But the hell out of it. He's smart. He's not

583
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: your typical freshman.

584
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 4: I'm not saying he wasn't going to be like the star,

585
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 4: but he would have been a nice piece.

586
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he could have been their furkey. He could

587
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: have been there for yeah right, right, but not end

588
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: of the world.

589
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: That one.

590
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: I think that one hurt more than the other two

591
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: guys decomitting. But you know it hurt, but it's not

592
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: it all is all changes if you get the right

593
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: kids in the portal.

594
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, Louisville, I mean, uh, obviously a move will be

595
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 4: made on him here soon. Although a lot of people

596
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 4: are like, oh, maybe he'll keep his job. I just

597
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 4: don't see any way he keeps his job. And obviously

598
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 4: the the the pipe dream is Scott Drew. I've said

599
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 4: this to you forever. That's who I know. Want.

600
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: I know they want why again, why would Scott Drew lee?

601
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 4: He probably won't, but you got to make him say no.

602
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 4: Like he's the one guy that like if you throw

603
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 4: a crazy number at him and you also throw a

604
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 4: crazy nil number at him, which I'm not sure they

605
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 4: can do yet, but I think they can get there

606
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 4: if they want to. Let's face it, it's Louisville.

607
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: So I think he ends up saying no.

608
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 4: And then obviously Greg McDermott stayed at Creighton, so then

609
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 4: you're dealing with some mid major guys.

610
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: Again.

611
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 4: What people have to realize here is the best guys

612
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 4: that we think should be available have huge biots, huge bats.

613
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: We start we started by talking about this, right and

614
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: that why do they exist? Well, they exist for two reasons.

615
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: Coaches want them to protect against these bad years. Dennis Gates. Uh,

616
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, like you name it mc cronin. So that's

617
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: why coaches want them, and administrators occasionally it's to protect

618
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: them from somebody coaching their coach. But really they they

619
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: acquiesce to so that so that a coach kind of

620
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: protects himself, which I do understand. Okay, so what about

621
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 1: Chris Beard. You're not optional?

622
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 4: No, I I've been told that that the Beards and

623
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 4: the Sean Millers are off the table because of everything

624
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 4: that that Louisville program has gone through with Patino, all

625
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 4: the drama, all the embarrassment. So I don't I don't

626
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 4: think it's gonna be Beard. I don't think it's gonna

627
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 4: be Sean Miller. I'm not even sure. I think Eric

628
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 4: mussels out of the equation because again, yeah yeah, because

629
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 4: you know, again he's he's tough.

630
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: To deal with.

631
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 4: I think you're looking at a group, the Porter Moosers,

632
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 4: the Nico Medviz, the Jerome Tangs, the Pat Kelsey's, Lamont Parris,

633
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 4: Josh Shirtz, that group.

634
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: Jamie Dixon.

635
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 4: Maybe I don't see him over paying though. I don't

636
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 4: think he's gonna overpay for a guy that's like a

637
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 4: mid tier guy like that. Like, I don't think he's

638
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 4: gonna pay Jamie Dixon four and a half million. I

639
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 4: think he would rather pay, you know, Niko Medved three million.

640
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: Don't like get a guy who can pay him a

641
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: million five two million and then put all of it

642
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: in the nil. Yeah, I mean, what are we doing here?

643
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: You know, brain, that's where the that's where the players

644
00:35:54,840 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: come from. Okay, what about DePaul.

645
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: You know, Bobby Hurley.

646
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 4: It makes sense, probably too much sense Porter Moser if

647
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 4: he would I just don't think they're gonna pay him

648
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 4: a five million dollars buyout to Paul. They need money

649
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 4: for Nil, so like that, that one doesn't make a

650
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 4: lot of sense. They talked to Holtman, I don't think

651
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Speaker 4: he take it. You know, Hurley seems to be the

652
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 4: most likely because he needs to get out of Dodge

653
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 4: with Arizona State, even though they've got a new a

654
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 4: d I think he's probably got a year left, you know,

655
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 4: like the Mark Byington's, the Josh shurtz is, the Darren

656
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 4: Devrees probably in the mix there. But I think Hurley

657
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 4: just makes too much sense other than the fact that, man,

658
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 4: those family dinners are going to be rough between DePaul

659
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 4: and Yukon, you know, the you know you got the

660
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 4: worst job in your league, your brother's got the best job.

661
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: I don't.

662
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 4: I don't love that dynamic. They may not talk to

663
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 4: each other for years.

664
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Speaker 1: Could he have taken Saint John's a year ago, No.

665
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 4: Not a year ago, like three years ago before Mike Anderson.

666
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 4: You know, he probably could have had a band because

667
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 4: he was hot then, and he could have had to

668
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 4: Paul the last time he was hotter than you know,

669
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 4: he's cooled off the last three or four years. You

670
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 4: and I know how how good a job he's done overall, if.

671
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: You look at it.

672
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 4: But the problem is, again, Chris Holman did a good

673
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 4: job overall. It doesn't matter. What matters is what mc cronin.

674
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 4: What matters is what have you done for me lately?

675
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 4: Unless you've gotten.

676
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: To a final four?

677
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 4: And even mc cronan went to a final four and

678
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 4: they're ready to run him out.

679
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, explain to me the ucl I think they're like, Okay,

680
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: So here's what I know. I mean, I know more

681
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: about UCLA basketball than I think anyone would lead you

682
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: to believe. You know, I realized it's stuff to get

683
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: kids in school, especially transfers. I realized that suppose of

684
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: the nil is limited. I don't think they did a

685
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: particularly good job of building their roster knowing they were

686
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: going to lose all those guys last year, right, like you,

687
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: you should have backfilled your roster with guys and played

688
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: some younger players and been further along this year so

689
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: you knew some of this was coming. But there's also

690
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: the like Martin Jarmondin is a former he's a basketball player,

691
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: but he just lost his football coach who took a

692
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: four million dollar pack cup. Now most of us realized

693
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly was probably going to be fired at the

694
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: end of this year anyway, And you know now they're

695
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: hired to Sean Foster. We actually, I don't know if

696
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: you know this. He's my former high school teammate. He's

697
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: a freshman out the senior got called up, got called up. Yeah,

698
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: I got called up for horse steep basketball for our

699
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: playoff run.

700
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

701
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: It's cool. Sean's great dude, and so I'm super happy

702
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 1: to him. I just I don't know if you compete

703
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 1: there in football if you're not going to spend. They're

704
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: not spending on coaches now, so maybe they're spending on NL.

705
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. But like we both think, we both

706
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: know Mick really well. He's not. None of these guys

707
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: in that level war that easy to deal with, right,

708
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: But he's also not He's.

709
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: Not no, no, he's not.

710
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: He's not one fun, just intent intense. So I guess

711
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: what's going on with U. C l A.

712
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 4: But here's the thing. Here's the thing, all right, Doug,

713
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 4: here's the thing. He inherited Haimi Hakis and Tiger Campbell.

714
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 4: They were two tough dudes, right, like, like we we

715
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 4: wondered when when Mick got to l A. What was

716
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 4: the one thing we wondered, like, well, at Sincy, what

717
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 4: did he win with top dudes who play it harder

718
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 4: than everybody else? Well, he inherited two of those and

719
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 4: now they're gone, and can he get those guys to

720
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 4: u C l A.

721
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 2: Like, I just didn't think the.

722
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Speaker 4: International guys were going to work for Mick Kroony, Like

723
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 4: I understand what he he was saying with was like,

724
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 4: I don't have to.

725
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: Worry about TNIL though, Like the perception is perception is

726
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: that European players are more coaching. That the way to

727
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: make coaches, the way that the older school. That's how

728
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: your coach. And that's true, that that is how your coach.

729
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: Much more the coach is a much bigger factor overseason

730
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: than he is in the United States in terms of

731
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, what the coach says goes. It's just that's

732
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: that's the way I go. But yeah, it's not that

733
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: they got international players. You've got to get the right

734
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: ones and can't have as much youth as they're playing.

735
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's a it's an interesting deal.

736
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: Interest interest really going to be interesting what happens at UCLA, Like,

737
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: what what are we actually doing here with the most

738
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: story program in the history of college basketball and you

739
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: have a coach again, it's it's very similar to uh

740
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: when Alfred first got there, he won with Ben Allen's players.

741
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: When Ben Allen first got there, obviously he flipped it

742
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: in recruiting whatever. Ben actually won the PAC twelve in

743
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: his last year, which is crazy.

744
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: Right, right, They were just tired.

745
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,479
Speaker 1: Of him allan thing. I mean, it was a little

746
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: bit of like what's happened to Mick? Where because it

747
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: didn't go well with Drew Drew Hollis, they stopped, they

748
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: couldn't get LA kids anymore, and then Mick and I

749
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: don't know enough about what happened, but Jared McCain, Caleb

750
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: Boss or Dusty Stromer, oh for three and you're coming

751
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: off upon a port Yeah.

752
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah. I think part of it.

753
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 4: Part of it with Mick was again he's not warming fuzzy,

754
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 4: and I think with even the current players, it's hard

755
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 4: these days, right, It's hard when you throw him under

756
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 4: the bus. Woodson's done that in Indiana bunch this year.

757
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 4: Are you going to retain him? Because they have other

758
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 4: options now, they don't have to sit out. They don't

759
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 4: have to sit out anymore.

760
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: They can go well again, I don't know. I mean,

761
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: after he threw him under the bus, they reeled off

762
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: a bunch of wins. They one or nine. I just

763
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: don't think One they're too young to even really know.

764
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: And then two there's some guys who just aren't very good.

765
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: And I also think he needs to evolve his offensive style.

766
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: I did the UCLA Arizona game two nights ago, and

767
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: in the first half, they kept throwing the ball to

768
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: a den Bona in the low post, like, one, what

769
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: are we doing?

770
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not your option if that's number one, And I'm.

771
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: Sure that's what he's saying, like, hey, look, this is

772
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: the best chance I have to win, Like, you know,

773
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: it's not. He can't couldn't score the low post to

774
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: be locked him in the gym now with a running

775
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: start to basket on how and rolls. Yeah, he's tremendous.

776
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: That was a weird one there to keep throwing inside.

777
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: He had twelve shots in the first half. Yes, well yeah, wow, Okay,

778
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: so we've gone through all the any Okay, so big

779
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: eiast It'll only be only be DePaul Big ten big

780
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: ten hoybrig chept his job. Ben Johnson, Okay, so take

781
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: me through the mission. Uh huh.

782
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 4: I mean it's probably gonna be up to Juan. It's

783
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 4: probably gonna be up to Juan and whether he wants

784
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 4: to top out or not. You know, he's obviously had

785
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 4: some health issues and they've been atrocious. And you know,

786
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 4: one of his kids in the NBA kind of I

787
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 4: think the other one's got a year left, but you know,

788
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 4: he had an issue with a strength coach. I mean,

789
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 4: there's just been so much shit there and I don't

790
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 4: I don't think Wardmanual fires him. I think in kind

791
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 4: of like with Mike Woodson, I think there'll be some

792
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 4: changes made among the staff if he comes back. But

793
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 4: I don't I don't think Warmanuel has the kohonas to fire,

794
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 4: to call him in and say, hey, you're done.

795
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: I don't.

796
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 4: Uh my Florida State, I think Leonard Hamilton will be

797
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 4: told to retire.

798
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: I believe that will be the case here. We'll see.

799
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 4: He'll fight it, I would think, but I think this

800
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 4: might be a for him a second straight you know,

801
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 4: under five hundred year in the ACC.

802
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 2: Miami.

803
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 4: I think Laareneagle will be back for another They were

804
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 4: atrocious this year, but I think he'll be back for

805
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 4: another year. We talked about a little bit about Bobby Hurley.

806
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 4: I think Tinka will be back. Anybody else. I think

807
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 4: Enfield's a year away from you know, I'll go next

808
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 4: year into the hot seat a little bit. Whether it's

809
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 4: fair or not, I don't know. Sec Bandy we talked about.

810
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 4: I think that'll be it. And then again, you just

811
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 4: got to look at some of these other guys that

812
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 4: I don't know if they want to retire or not yet.

813
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 4: But like again, we've talked about Mark Feu that won't

814
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 4: be easy if he does. Tony Bennett, I don't think

815
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 4: he retires, but who knows. Uh, Buzz Williams trying to

816
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 4: get out because you know, you know, there's a window

817
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 4: shelf life on Buzz everywhere he is, so he'll try

818
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 4: to get out if he can. You know, Todd Golden,

819
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 4: what happens there? Does he go back out west from Florida?

820
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: We'll see? I mean, who knows?

821
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 4: You do? Yeah, I can't. I can't. All I know

822
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 4: is I don't think he'll he'll go anywhere. I don't

823
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 4: think he'll go anywhere. So I think I think he's fine,

824
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 4: but there's a there's a minimal chance that he.

825
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: Could take one of those West Coast jobs or tried. It.

826
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: Just wants to just not his jam bad fit. Okay,

827
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Speaker 1: sure sure, my little Game Day coaching move podcast we

828
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Speaker 1: thought you'd like herminded. The Doug Gottlieb Show airs daily

829
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Speaker 1: three to five Eastern. There's also now our podcast just

830
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Speaker 1: I've been Doug Godlib. You get all kinds of really

831
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Speaker 1: really really really good stuff. And my thanks to the

832
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Speaker 1: folks at Duke and Carolina, the folks of the Graduate.

833
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Speaker 1: I stay in this palatial room every time I come

834
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Speaker 1: to chapel. It's pretty dope. And we'll talk next time

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