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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg P and L Podcast. I'm Pim Fox.

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Speaker 1: Along with my co host Lisa Abramowitz. Each day we

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Speaker 1: bring you the most important, noteworthy, and useful interviews for

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Speaker 1: you and your money, whether at the grocery store or

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Speaker 1: SoundCloud and at Bloomberg dot com. Investing in the retail

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Speaker 1: market tricky, well, ask Scott rothbort. He is the president

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Speaker 1: of Lakeview Asset Management. He joins us now and Scott,

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Speaker 1: you've been a veteran coming on the program to give

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Speaker 1: us your thoughts about the retail industry, the restaurant industry

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Speaker 1: and so on. But well, I noticed that a lot

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Speaker 1: of it has to do obviously with the consumer. And

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Speaker 1: let's start off. Where do you think right now the

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Speaker 1: consumers spending money and not spending money visa these these

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Speaker 1: areas of the market. Well, I think the consumers spending

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Speaker 1: money on a lot of household items. I think finally,

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Speaker 1: consumers are after many years, are buying houses, fixing up houses. Look,

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Speaker 1: you know they took a terrible hit in two thousand

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Speaker 1: But the market is coming back and people starting to

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Speaker 1: buy durable goods, washing machines. Um. There they have been

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Speaker 1: buying cars for all. I think that's that's beginning to

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Speaker 1: kind of you know. Uh. And in terms of the

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Speaker 1: surgeon in the purchase of of those items, the one

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Speaker 1: the one area that that they continued to stay away

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Speaker 1: from his apparel and and that is really been boggling

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Speaker 1: a lot of investors and analysts because the apparel market

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Speaker 1: continues to be UM, very difficult to invest in. UM.

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Speaker 1: And of course what what invest what? What? What the

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Speaker 1: consumers continues to invest in? Are these electronic gadgets, um,

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Speaker 1: whether it's games, or it's smartphones or tablets. Uh. But

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Speaker 1: wearables is a big market that is only going to

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Speaker 1: expand in time. So UM, you invest money on behalf

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Speaker 1: of wealthy individuals. You also are a professor at Seton

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Speaker 1: Hall University, UM, looking at this environment. How do you

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Speaker 1: determine where the opportunities are when there's such a macro

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Speaker 1: overlay on this, not only from the consumer spending standpoint,

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Speaker 1: but also from technological advancements. And how how quickly some

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Speaker 1: of these even retailers have to catch up. Right, Well,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of disruptive events that are taking place

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Speaker 1: in the retail markets. Okay, probably the one that people

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Speaker 1: are most familiar with is online. Amazon is probably the

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Speaker 1: most DISRUPTI development versus Walmart dot Com, Yes, versus everyone

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Speaker 1: today Warren Buffett, you know, exiting more of his Walmart

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Speaker 1: steak and it makes sense. Um, look I by Walmart. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I I look at Walmart for the dividend.

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Speaker 1: I might buy it if it came down a little

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Speaker 1: bit for our dividend strategy, because it meets some of

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Speaker 1: the criteria for our different strategy in terms of growth.

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Speaker 1: Is no growth in Walmart. Um. So, so we have

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Speaker 1: Amazon is one of the disrupt dividend just a fair

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Speaker 1: two point percent prices seventy bucks a share, right, yes,

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Speaker 1: and and and and I'd rather see that dividend close

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Speaker 1: to three percent, but a two point percent it's beating

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Speaker 1: the SNP average divent which is just around two percent,

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Speaker 1: maybe even slightly less than that right now. Although you

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Speaker 1: have treasure yields rising, So if you just want the dividend,

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Speaker 1: you can just invest in a tenure treasury and get

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Speaker 1: three percent. You could, but then you won't get the

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Speaker 1: benefit of economic growth. Um. And if you invest in

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Speaker 1: the tenure treasure, you'll be locked into that for the

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Speaker 1: next ten years. And if you need to take your

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Speaker 1: money out of that treasury's interest rates rise, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: wind up as a lot of people are learning that

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Speaker 1: the price of bonds can go down. All right, So

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Speaker 1: let's go some names. All right, let's go through some names. Right,

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Speaker 1: So Walmart you like for the dividend? Who else? Let's

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Speaker 1: the name that always comes up is Chipalti. What's going

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Speaker 1: About to say stocks down's going lower? Right? Um? I

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Speaker 1: You know, Pim and I we've talked about McDonald's at nauseam.

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Speaker 1: I think, and what helped McDonald's from two thousand and

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Speaker 1: But the problem with Chapulti is that, um that's coming

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Speaker 1: know what all for a fish. So for Chipotle, the

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Speaker 1: fish tackle will be the egg McMuffin for McDonald. Scott Rothbert,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. Scott Rothbert,

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Speaker 1: President and founder of Lakeview Asset Management, uh PIM FOX.

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Speaker 1: We have been talking a lot today about the drop

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Speaker 1: in biotech shares, the end of the uh fervor in

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Speaker 1: the wake of Donald Trump's election as the next US president.

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Speaker 1: Somebody who has been predicting this for weeks now is

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Speaker 1: Max Neeson of Bloomberg Gadfly, and we are lucky enough

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Speaker 1: to have him in studio with us to talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about whether this is just the beginning of

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Speaker 1: can glean from today. So Max, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: backdrop here? It was a tweet by Trump. Yeah, of course,

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Speaker 1: In an interview with Time, Trump was quoted as saying

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Speaker 1: I'm going to bring down drug prices. I don't like

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Speaker 1: But I think something that we've really learned over the

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Speaker 1: this has any negative read through to insures um. You know, Max,

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Speaker 1: something that you were talking about, the fact that shares

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Speaker 1: another one of these nerdy tech things that no one

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Speaker 1: Intel is the computer chip company that makes every personal

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Speaker 1: and that's been a great business for Intel. Central thesis

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