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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to our guest, Jeremiah Horseman. He was telling us, Jeremiah,

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Speaker 2: you were right in the middle of the climax part

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Speaker 2: where I think it was your mom telling us the

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Speaker 2: story of setting you and your brothers and sister down

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Speaker 2: to see what was going on, what was happening to

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Speaker 2: talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we sat down for the second time to discuss

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Speaker 3: what was running by the windows at night. This time

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Speaker 3: was a little different. She seemed she had a little

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Speaker 3: bit more of a serious look on her face, and

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Speaker 3: she said, you know, I tried to let the dogs

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Speaker 3: was a smell in the air, is a very heavy

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Speaker 3: smell of a sulfurous maybe a trash smell or rotting smell.

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Speaker 3: And I think something else is going on here, because

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Speaker 3: right before I tried to let the dogs out this

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Speaker 3: time and seeing this shadow running past the windows, she said,

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Speaker 3: whatever it was was making a noise. And I remember,

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Speaker 3: getting at? What is she talking about? And she said

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Speaker 3: the noise was like a grumbling sound. It was something

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Speaker 3: that was irritated. It was upset because the dogs were

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Speaker 3: barking and growling and snarling. She said it was making

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Speaker 3: this grumbling sound as it ran, and she said I

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Speaker 3: could actually hear this time individual footfalls. It was something

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Speaker 3: really big, really heavy, and she was very certain it

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Speaker 3: was Bi beetle. And so again my brother and I

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Speaker 3: were looking at each other, like, what is she talking about.

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Speaker 3: She said, I'm really worried that we have a very

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Speaker 3: large prowler and that there might be somebody that's mentally ill.

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Speaker 3: So I want you boys to be on the extra alert.

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Speaker 3: And she reminded us again when she's not there, I

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Speaker 3: don't answer the door for strangers and so on. We're

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Speaker 3: both thirteen years old, so we're thinking, oh, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, we're not worried about somebody coming to the door.

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Speaker 3: We know what to do. So fast forward maybe a

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Speaker 3: week or so, and I had a chiropractor appointment. And

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Speaker 3: as I'm waiting for my chiropractory, there was a magazine

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Speaker 3: it may have been the Pittsburgh magazine, I can't remember

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Speaker 3: which now, and the feature article was about Stan Gordon's

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Speaker 3: group PASU, the Pennsylvania Association for the Study of the unexplained,

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Speaker 3: and I flipped to that page where the story started

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Speaker 3: and read an incredible story about the Textburgh UFO crash,

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Speaker 3: which I had never even heard of, and I lived

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Speaker 3: a short distance from Textburgh, Pennsylvania, and how it inspired

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Speaker 3: Stan Gordon to start his organization. In it, it talked

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Speaker 3: about his investigators looking into things such as poultergeist activity,

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Speaker 3: UFO sightings, UFO abductions, and big foot sightings, and it

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Speaker 3: stressed that there were a lot of bigfoot reports that year.

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Speaker 3: And then it went into describing the signs that people

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Speaker 3: had bigfoot in their area, and my heart started to

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Speaker 3: beat really rapidly, because as I was reading, the article

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Speaker 3: describing the kind of Q tree smell that comes with

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Speaker 3: these creatures. And then it had I think they set

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Speaker 3: and so I remember, after reading the article, I was

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Speaker 3: thinking myself, I wonder if that's what's going through our yard,

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Speaker 3: that's actually pretty frightening. And so I went home and

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Speaker 3: I wrote down the number and without even consulting with

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Speaker 3: and called the group of Stan Gordon's this PASU, and

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Speaker 3: I talked to one of the people what PSU. I

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Speaker 3: described to them what my mother had been experiencing to

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Speaker 3: of their investigators called back, and in a short period

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Speaker 3: later they did have an investigator of theirs who called back,

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Speaker 3: a man named John, and he wanted me to redescribe

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Speaker 3: what my mother had experienced. He asked if she was

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Speaker 3: She's a psyche nurse. He said, okay. He mentioned a weekend.

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Speaker 3: They said, you boys are probably in school now, and

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Speaker 3: And she was a bit upset with me. She said,

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Speaker 3: The group that Stan had, they had had mostly professors.

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Speaker 3: them were college professors, chemists and engineers and so on.

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Speaker 3: And the two guys that they sent were both also

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Speaker 3: experiencers themselves. John and Devin were the first two guys

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Speaker 3: And they asked me to show them where this being

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Speaker 3: I remember they paid particular attention to the fact that

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Speaker 3: and they kept mentioning, Oh, there's another apple tree, And

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Speaker 3: I remember ask him what makes the apple trees a

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Speaker 3: part of this and they said, well, what are the

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Speaker 3: things that tends to attract these creatures? Or apples, especially

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Speaker 3: very sweet apples, and you've got that here. They said.

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Speaker 3: Another thing is you have this railroad that runs through

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Speaker 3: And they said, we noticed on the map before we

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Speaker 3: They also tend to be near to bodies of water,

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Speaker 3: and you have all three of those here. The next

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Speaker 3: there's several coal mines nearby. There was the old henderson

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Speaker 3: so they seem to not. And I said, what's that?

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Speaker 3: I went curiosity then peaked. I said, do you have

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Speaker 3: other calls of other people having the same sort of

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Speaker 3: other and they said, we do, but those are what

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Speaker 3: now listen. He said, I'm not much for pranksters. He said,

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Speaker 3: you wouldn't be pulling my chain if you and your

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Speaker 3: And I said no, why? He said, we just found

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Speaker 3: We don't have time for pranksters. And he said, you

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Speaker 3: in fact, this is this is my mother's bag. My

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Speaker 3: seen anything of them yet. He said all right, and

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Speaker 3: they said, come here, I want to I want to

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Speaker 3: and sure enough, there was a set of very deep

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Speaker 3: And I was shocked. It was something I hadn't seen before.

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Speaker 3: She was always out in the forest. She was a hunter.

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Speaker 3: and so she said, sure, you can come back whenever

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Speaker 3: them steakouts, he said. John introduced himself as a master

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Speaker 3: She said, I can sit still without moving for hours.

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Speaker 3: He said, I'm going to find a place on your

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Speaker 3: apple orchard or watching the apple orchard, and I'll place myself.

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Speaker 3: And he said, I'm going to pick a position for

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Speaker 3: my colleague Devon where we can just between the two

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Speaker 3: of us triangulate the good view of this area where

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Speaker 3: this creature had been running through. And I need to

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Speaker 3: tell you too, I think there's more than one creature.

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Speaker 3: And that made all of us, you know, we kind

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Speaker 3: you think that? He said, the set of tracks we found,

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Speaker 3: there's actually two different measurements, so that's indicative of two

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Speaker 3: different creatures that have been passing through here. So I

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Speaker 3: think there's at least two. And we were all just

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Speaker 3: think a week later, and John got up into a

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Speaker 3: and they had voice activated headsets so they could talk

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Speaker 3: and he said, I don't know this area so well.

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Speaker 3: I need you to show me where things are. He said,

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Speaker 3: if there's a fence that we might trip over a wire,

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Speaker 3: I want to know where it's at. And he said generally,

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Speaker 3: just needed to tell on you to be quiet. He said,

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Speaker 3: So this gets to be September late September of nineteen

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Speaker 3: there had just been it was the twenty first, there

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Speaker 3: Because several more boulders landed right in front of us.

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