1 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: Lute force. If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough. 2 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: You're listening to soft web Radio, Special Operations, Military nails 3 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: and straight talk with the guys in the community. 4 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on? It is rad I am the 5 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: host of soft Rep Radio. But you already know that 6 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 2: because you probably clicked on the link that says let's 7 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: listen to rad on soft Rep Radio with my guest, 8 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: who I usually tease you with. But again, you can 9 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: probably read it in the title that I've got this 10 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: cool author guy right over here with me. 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Welcome. 30 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me rad. 31 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: Hey, it's very nice for you to take the time 32 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: out of your busy day. I know that you have 33 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: a book coming out and that book is called Capture 34 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: or Kill Vince Flynn. You're going to be doing this 35 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: in honor of Vince Flynn, who was the original author, correct, 36 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: who passed away probably around two thousand and thirteen, maybe. 37 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, right around ten years ago or so. He unfortunately 38 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 4: passed away from prostate cancer. So for a long time 39 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 4: the fans didn't know what was going to happen with 40 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 4: the series. And luckily the estate taped Kyle Mills on 41 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 4: the shoulder and he has done a fantastic job for 42 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 4: about the last nine or ten years. And now I 43 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 4: get to fill Kyle's very very big shoes. 44 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: It's like the Olympic Tours getting passed. Hey, you're now 45 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: in time to run with that. So it's like, here 46 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: you are, okay, okay, and let's talk a little bit 47 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: about you real quick. And first of all, sorry for 48 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 2: the loss of Vince Flynn, but I just want to 49 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: point out prostate cancer. So please, if you're a guy 50 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: and you're really like hitting the forties, you should go 51 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 2: get that checked out, all right, go talk to your doctor, 52 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 2: and let's be advocates for that. He would want us 53 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: to say that. I bet you anything. He'd be like, okay, cool, 54 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: take the time to use my name to go get 55 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: yourself checked out. Don't be embarrassed to go get looked at. 56 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: I got it done at forty The day after my 57 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 2: fortieth birthday. They said, aren't you too young to be 58 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: in here to get a colonoscopy. I was like, well, 59 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: I'm predisposed, my family history has had it. And they're like, 60 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: oh yeah, let's get you in then, and so they 61 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: did in three and a half polyps later. Now I'm 62 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: forty six, almost forty seven, and I had to go 63 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 2: in and like, you know, do the whole baby poop 64 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: and the cup thing. Hopefully, hopefully that's what I'm hoping for. Bro. 65 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: I don't want to be probed again, man aliens. Bro. Okay. 66 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: So now that we have that out of the way, Okay, 67 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: I just want to put that out there. Let's be 68 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: advocates for our own health and bettering ourselves. So down, 69 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: you went in to the military as a healthy person. 70 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: You showed all those orifice to a doctor who said 71 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: you're good to go, bro, and then you were you 72 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: enlisted or officer when you joined. 73 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. So I went to the Ohio State University on 74 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 4: an Army or RTC scholarship and was lucky enough to 75 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: get branched aviation, and so I spent ten years active 76 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 4: duty as APACHE pilot, most of that in air cavalry units, 77 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 4: including a tour in Afghanistan from two thousand and five 78 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 4: to two thousand and six as an Air Cavalry Troop commander. 79 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 4: I got out and thought I was ready to enter 80 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 4: the real world. And three years later wasn't quite my 81 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 4: first day. It was a great company, it just I 82 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 4: wasn't ready for it yet. And I came home from 83 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 4: work my first day and told my wife, like I 84 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 4: am living that movie office space now, like that is 85 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 4: my life. I went from chasing bad guys across Afghanistan 86 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 4: to sitting in a cubicle, and wasn't quite ready to 87 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 4: do that, and so fortunately the FBI had something called 88 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 4: the Tactical Recruiting Program where they were looking for folks 89 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 4: with military experience, and so I came in under that 90 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 4: and was a agent in the Dallas Field Office. I 91 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 4: did primarily human stuff and then was also a squat guy, 92 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 4: and then worked for a series of companies that made 93 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 4: technology for the special operations or intelligence communities before I 94 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 4: finally got to write full time about three years ago. 95 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 4: So my wife likes to say that I can't figure 96 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 4: out what I want to be when I grow up, 97 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 4: which is probably true. But I'm going to ride this 98 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 4: writer gig for all that's worth. 99 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: One hundred percent, bro, And you should and if you've 100 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: got the skill set to put it on paper. I 101 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: think that's what a lot of folks hit me up, 102 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: because I do get a lot of authors on the show, 103 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: and the questions are an email, Hey Rat, can you 104 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 2: publish me? Or Hey Rat, where do I start? And 105 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, bro, I need to write my own book, okay. 106 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: But they feel that I have this and I do 107 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: have some acumen and what it is is a lot 108 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 2: of writers have said just start to get it out 109 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 2: on paper, because you don't have a book, you don't 110 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: have anything to You don't have anything until you have 111 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: it on paper. 112 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that's true. 113 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 4: I think a lot of us, Like I wrote three 114 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 4: books over seventeen years that didn't sell before I wrote 115 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 4: my fourth that did sell in a two book deal. 116 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 4: And it doesn't necessarily take you seventeen years to write 117 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 4: three books. There was a lot of sulking involved in 118 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 4: there after each one didn't didn't sell. You know, you 119 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 4: gotta feel sorry for yourself for a while, and so, 120 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 4: but you definitely have to What I tell folks is 121 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 4: you got to write a lot, and you got to 122 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 4: read a lot. And so if you're writing a book, 123 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 4: especially commercial fiction, it's no different than if you're a 124 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 4: woodworker making a chest to yours for somebody. You got 125 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 4: to understand what that customer wants. And the way that 126 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 4: you understand that as a writer is you got to 127 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 4: read a lot, and specifically in the genre you're trying 128 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 4: to write in. And so if you don't read a 129 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 4: lot and you don't write a lot, you're going to 130 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 4: have a hard time being a writer. 131 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: Well, question, question, I have a question in the back, 132 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: in the backs me in the back what I mean, like, 133 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: how did you get to be, you know, a writer? 134 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: Like what was it that I just mean? You know? 135 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think I was always a storyteller. I'm 136 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 4: a kid of the eighties, and they had some magnificent 137 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 4: television back then, things like The A Team and Airwolf 138 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 4: and Night Writer and Duck Tails uh. And I remember 139 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 4: being a kid, you know, watching watching The A Team, 140 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 4: and after you had done it for a while, you'd think, Okay, 141 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,559 Speaker 4: at the fifteen minute mark, this is going to happen. 142 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 4: At the thirty minute mark, this is going to happen. 143 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 4: And then they're going to shoot a bunch of people, 144 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 4: but nobody's gonna get hurt. And so, you know, I 145 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 4: remember thinking about what could they have done differently? How 146 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 4: could that story have turned out differently? And so literally, 147 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 4: as a kid, I remember writing kind of what you'd 148 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 4: call fan fiction now, and some of that was TV 149 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 4: shows I love that I had ideas for. And so 150 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 4: I started working on my first book maybe when I 151 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 4: was in high school. I really didn't know what I 152 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 4: was doing, but I had an incredible teacher, my senior 153 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 4: year of high school, who you know, We had an 154 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 4: assignment to write a short story or scene or something, 155 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 4: and she pulled me aside afterwards and said, hey, I 156 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 4: really think you have what it takes to do this. 157 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: You could be a writer. 158 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 4: And so I listened to that and went to the 159 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 4: Ohio State University and majored in electrical engineering, as all 160 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 4: good writers did. And so it took me a while 161 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 4: kind of to get the tools in my toolbox that 162 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 4: I needed to be able to tell the kind of 163 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 4: stories I wanted. And that's partly why it took me 164 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 4: three books to get published. But it was a lot 165 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 4: of trial and error, a lot of reading about writing 166 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 4: and how to do it better. I actually wrote my 167 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 4: first two books while I was in the military. I 168 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 4: wrote my second one while I was in Afghanistan. We'd 169 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 4: come back from missions and everybody else would play Xbox 170 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 4: or whatever, and I'd go back and hammer out part 171 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 4: of a book on my laptop. And so kind of 172 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 4: a combination of those things, both persistence and then you know, 173 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 4: developing the tools that you need in order to be 174 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 4: a more effective writer and storyteller. 175 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 2: No, I love that, and that's that's very inspiring. When 176 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: you went back in Afghanistan to go write on your laptop. 177 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 2: Do you feel that that was a little bit of 178 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: like of an outlet for you to be able to 179 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: like kind of journal but in a way that you're 180 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: writing this book out, you know you're able to get 181 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: some things off your chest. 182 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. 183 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 4: And I don't think I did that really well until 184 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 4: the fourth book, the one that sold that was called 185 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 4: Without Sanction. That's the first book in my Matt Drake series. 186 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 4: And you, I have a really good friend of mine, 187 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 4: So Brad Taylor is a fantastic writer. 188 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 3: He was a Delta Force troop. 189 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 4: Commander and squadron commander and now he writes the New 190 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 4: York Times bestselling Pike Logan series. And I remember talking 191 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 4: to Brad about it and him giving me the advice 192 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 4: that in order to write commercial fiction, you have to 193 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 4: do something that's the same but different, meaning the bookseller 194 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 4: has to know that. Okay, Don's book hopefully belongs on 195 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 4: the shelf next to Brad's book, but I'm never going 196 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 4: to write a better Brad book than Brad can. And 197 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 4: so part of that for me was trying to decide 198 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 4: with my fourth book again, knowing what writers were already doing. 199 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 4: What could I do that was a little different, And 200 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 4: part of what I did different. My protagonist and my 201 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 4: Matt Drake series is a guy who is a former 202 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 4: Army ranger and a current DIA case officer, And so 203 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 4: that's kind of just slang for saying he's a spy. 204 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 4: He basically does the same thing for the DIA that 205 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 4: a CIA case officer would do, And so I had 206 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 4: some kind of ancillary experience with that. But what I 207 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 4: really had, like a lot of folks, I had a 208 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 4: bad day in Afghanistan and had some baggage that I 209 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 4: was dragging around with me since then and had never 210 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 4: been brave enough to put into a book. And I thought, 211 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 4: you know what, if I'm going to write a fourth 212 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 4: book and try something different, I'm going to make my 213 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 4: protagonists struggle with the same kind of things that I have. 214 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 4: And so when the book starts, that case officer is 215 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 4: on a leave of absence from the DIA because of 216 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 4: an operation that went tragically wrong in Syria where he 217 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 4: lost his asset and his assets family and he blames 218 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 4: himself for what happened. And so a lot of that 219 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 4: was me coming to terms kind of with my own 220 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 4: bad day in Afghanistan and what that meant personally. And 221 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 4: I think readers recognize veracity on the page. 222 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 2: Right. 223 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 4: They might not know about the tactics and weapons and stuff, 224 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 4: or maybe they do, but what they what they can 225 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 4: resonate with is the emotional core of that book and say, 226 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 4: you know, I've never been to Syria, I've never been 227 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 4: to Afghanistan, I've never run an asset in Isis, but 228 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 4: I understand what this guy is struggling with. Like I 229 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 4: feel that at a visceral level, and I think when 230 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 4: you can do that, it resonates with people. But it 231 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 4: also means you gotta be brave enough to put the 232 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 4: stuff that scares you down on the page. 233 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: You gotta be well, you gotta be vulnerable, is what 234 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 2: you're saying. You opened yourself up, which is hard to 235 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: do because again at the beginning of the show we 236 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: said go take care of yourself and go get yourself 237 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: tipped out. It's like, you gotta be vulnerable. You got 238 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 2: to open up, and then you can grow from that 239 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 2: though you can, yeah, totally, yeah. 240 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 4: One hundred percent. The hardest book I've ever written. The 241 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 4: fourth book in my series was called Forgotten War. And 242 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 4: it took place during the fall of Afghanistan, because as 243 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 4: a veteran, I was watching Afghanistan crumble and getting all 244 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 4: these text messages from friends or call who were fellow veterans, 245 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,599 Speaker 4: and the kind of thread through all of it was. 246 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 3: Was it worth it? 247 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 4: Was the twenty years of blood and tears and money 248 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 4: and being away from their families, Was any of that 249 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 4: even worth it? And I didn't know how to answer 250 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 4: that question, and so it kind of came out in 251 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 4: my book. And so I think the best books are 252 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 4: books in which the writer is trying to understand something 253 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 4: for themselves in the pages of that book. 254 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: And you're right, and there are books out there and 255 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: people have written on that topic, but you come at 256 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: a different approach of yees, you know, how is that 257 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: going to be? And I like that that's a good 258 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 2: way to do it, you know, because even in your book, 259 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 2: there's a way to probably branch off of something else 260 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: to write about in that specific Yeah, you. 261 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 3: Know, absolutely. 262 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 4: And I think with Forgotten More in particular, I tried 263 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 4: really hard to make it a political because I don't 264 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 4: I don't consider myself it's fiction. First of all, people 265 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 4: get politics. Twenty four hours a day, they don't want 266 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 4: more of it in their books. And the second of is, 267 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 4: I don't think I'm a spokesperson for all the veterans 268 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 4: who ever served, but I could give people who hadn't 269 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 4: served a window into some of the thinking of the 270 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 4: folks who had and what their reactions were. You know, 271 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 4: the amazing thing about the entire global War on Terror 272 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 4: is it was an all volunteer army, and that all 273 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 4: volunteer military rather was less than one quarter of one 274 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 4: percent of the US population, And so that means the 275 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 4: average person doesn't know anybody who served in Afghanistan or Iraq. 276 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 4: And so I thought, you know, I'm lucky enough to 277 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 4: be in a position where I have these friends who 278 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 4: could be characters in my books, and a lot of 279 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 4: times they are. I tend to put my friends in 280 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 4: my books, and I thought, you know, if I can, 281 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 4: if I can give people a vantage point into the 282 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 4: men and sometimes women who really do do these things 283 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 4: while you sleep safely in your bed, man, that's a 284 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 4: fantastic thing I could do. 285 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. You know, I've got friends that fly 286 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: the Apache here in Utah, and you know, I usually 287 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 2: see them coming in as like a warrant officer or 288 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: they've turned in like a WAFFA packet. And when I 289 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: asked earlier if you had gone in as an officer 290 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 2: and then you kind of got in, So you went 291 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 2: in and kind of got in as lieutenant. Yeah, I 292 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 2: climbed all the way to colonel. Maybe in ten years 293 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 2: major lieutenant Cantle. 294 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 3: That'd be a fast, fast move now normally. 295 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 4: So I got out as a captain promotable, which just 296 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 4: means that my name had come up on the list 297 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 4: for major, but I got out before. And so usually 298 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 4: from an officer perspective, you spend your first ten years 299 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 4: as lieutenant three captain, you pin on major about year ten, 300 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 4: and then lieutenant colonel is something you get about year 301 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 4: sixteen or seventeen through around twenty or so. So Yeah, 302 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 4: for aviation, it's a little bit different in that you 303 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 4: only fly when you're in a platoon or when you're 304 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 4: in a leadership position rather than a staff one. So 305 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 4: you get to do your mission as a platoon leader 306 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 4: as a lieutenant, and then once you make captain, you 307 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 4: go off into staff world kind of purgatory for a 308 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 4: couple of years, and then you come back as a trooper. 309 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 4: Company commander, and you get to fly again and do 310 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 4: the mission, and then you spend as a major about 311 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 4: six years may PowerPoint slides before you maybe get to 312 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 4: fly again as a as a lieutenant colonel, as a 313 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 4: battalion or squadron commander. And I did not have it 314 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 4: in me to spend another six years making PowerPoint slides. 315 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 4: So little did I know I would go to that 316 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 4: job where I was sitting in a cubicle and be 317 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 4: making PowerPoint slides again. So maybe the joke was on me, 318 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 4: But that's kind of how the aviation career works. 319 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:28,479 Speaker 2: Now. There was a movie, a very historical document called Firebirds. Okay, 320 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: Nicholas case I'm not even going there. No, I just 321 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 2: wanted to say it. We don't even says. 322 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 4: Tom Cruise, and we get Nicholas Casey Jones. 323 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 2: He's just trucking along k along the fence slide. Okay, 324 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: what's up, Chief, what's up? Cheef? He's come on? Now 325 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 2: you are? So you're an eighties kid, grew up you 326 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: know those movies? Right? Yea? So so was that something 327 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 2: that you know? You're like, I'm gonna put a pair 328 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: of panties and a periscope on my head, and drive 329 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: a jeep and get my optic down and all gone, 330 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: bye bye. 331 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 4: So the funny thing about that is I remember watching 332 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 4: it whenever I was maybe in middle school or high 333 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 4: school when it came out, and there I was. You know, 334 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 4: every good flying story starts with no shit, There I was, 335 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 4: And so there I was in flight school. 336 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: And so in the. 337 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 4: Apache, you actually fly with your right eye, and so 338 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 4: there's something called the helmet display unit that folds over 339 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 4: your right eye and it's connected to a sensor at 340 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 4: the front of the aircraft, one of two that sees 341 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 4: in the infrared spectrum, and so wherever you move your head, 342 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 4: the sensor moves. 343 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 3: And so the movie made a. 344 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 4: Joke about, well, if you're left eye dominant, it's really 345 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 4: hard to fly out of your right eye, and this 346 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 4: guy is left eye dominant. And so the way that 347 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 4: that worked is when you're flying, it's called the bag 348 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 4: because you sit in the second seat of the helicopter, 349 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 4: the rear seat, and they take garbage bags, very high 350 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 4: tech garbage bags, and tape them all over the glass 351 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 4: canopy so you can't see out, and it forces you 352 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 4: to use that right eye to fly while your instructor 353 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 4: pilot sits in the front seat during the daytime and 354 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 4: keeps you from killing yourself. And so as you're trying 355 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 4: to fly and you're sweating because you're working so hard, 356 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 4: what variably happens is you're coming in to make a 357 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 4: landing and there's a tiny pinhole in that garbage bag 358 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 4: and the shaft of light comes in and your left 359 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 4: eye takes over, and so now instead of seeing the 360 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 4: landing area, you're looking inside the cockpit and you're like, oh, 361 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 4: my gosh, how do I cover the eye? And so 362 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 4: the bag is why the APACHE it's called the Aircraft 363 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 4: Qualification Course, the course to learn to fly. It takes 364 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 4: so long, and in fact, I actually had a progress 365 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 4: ride during the BAG and failed it and it had 366 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 4: to go back and get extra hours and stuff. And 367 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 4: so once you learn how to fly that way, it's 368 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 4: incredible because you can literally look through the cockpit floor 369 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 4: right because anywhere your head moves, the sensor moves and 370 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 4: you can see. But it takes a long time to 371 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 4: get used to flying out of your right eye and 372 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 4: then using your left eye to look inside the cockpit 373 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 4: and look at your instruments and such. 374 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 2: Does that affect your rifle qualification as well, are you? 375 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 2: I mean, so it not rifle. 376 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 3: It did. 377 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 4: When I was an FBI agent, especially as a swat guy, 378 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 4: I had to learn because I'm right handed and left 379 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 4: eye dominant, and so what I had to learn how 380 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 4: to do was when I brought the pistol up is 381 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 4: post it under my right eye so that my left 382 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 4: eye wouldn't take over right because obviously you want to 383 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 4: have both your eyes open. 384 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 3: When I'm shooting. 385 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 4: It wasn't so much a problem, especially using like the 386 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 4: reflex sites, because you could dial up the brightness enough 387 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 4: that that right eye is going to take over. But 388 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 4: pistol is is much much harder to get good at. 389 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 4: And if I post it directly in front, then I 390 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 4: get into the thing like you're talking about where my 391 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 4: left eye takes over, but I'm using my right hand 392 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 4: and so it uh yeah, who knew. 393 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. As an FBI agent, how many how many hours 394 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 2: of trigger time do you have on your on your 395 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: service weapon? A lot? 396 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 4: A paaramount as an agent as a swat guy a ton, 397 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 4: so once you make swat. When I was still in 398 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 4: the FBI, we had the glock twenty threes, which is 399 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 4: the smaller forty milimeter. They've now switched to the nine millimeter. 400 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 4: And actually it was funny because you used to be 401 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 4: able to tell who failed firearms as an FBI agent. 402 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 4: So in the academy, if you fail the final firearms, 403 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,719 Speaker 4: you get one more shot, and what they would do 404 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 4: is pull you out and transition you from the forty 405 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 4: caliber to the nine millimeter. And because the nine milimeter 406 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 4: has less kick, it's got less report and stuff like that. Right, 407 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 4: So now everybody's gone to the nine milimeter, so you 408 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 4: can't tell that anymore. But when you make SWAT, you 409 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 4: have the option of transitioning to the Springfield nineteen eleven 410 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 4: the forty five, and so you would go through this 411 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 4: two and a half day course where you would shoot 412 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 4: something like twenty five hundred or twenty six hundred rounds 413 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 4: in that two days, and so literally by the time 414 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 4: you're done, your hands are blistered. You got you know, 415 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 4: you've shot so many rounds and so still not obviously anything. 416 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 3: Approaching what the Tier one folks shoot. 417 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 4: But as a squat guy, unless you're in a really 418 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 4: big field office like the New York Field office or 419 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 4: the Washington Field office, squat is an additional duty and 420 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 4: so what that means is usually one day a week 421 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 4: would be a SWAT day, so that it'd either be 422 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 4: a training day or maybe a mission day or a 423 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 4: range day. And I feel like we went to the 424 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 4: range as swat probably at least once a month, if 425 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 4: not twice a month. Now you do a lot of shooting, 426 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 4: and so I got infinitely better with a pistol and 427 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 4: a rifle once I made the SWAT team. 428 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 2: Dang bro. Now, I'm not trying to put you on 429 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: the spot, but let me ask you something. Since you 430 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 2: have some experience here, do you have any opinion on 431 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 2: what happened in Pennsylvania with the whole attempt on the 432 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 2: former President Trump to you know, just from if you 433 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 2: do you do. If you say no, then we'll just 434 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 2: move on. But if you have any. 435 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 4: Thoughts, yeah, only from a very high level is that 436 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 4: obviously it was a failure, and it was a failure 437 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 4: in every sense of the word. 438 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 3: I did. 439 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 4: So when you're a squat guy, one of your additional 440 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 4: duties is personnel protection, and so you don't do it 441 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 4: very often. What would happen is like if the FBI 442 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 4: director came to town, you would augment the director's detail, 443 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 4: or I did work with Secret Service a couple times 444 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 4: because Eric Holder came to town and so we would 445 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 4: augment their detail. 446 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 3: And so my experience is very, very small. 447 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 4: And certainly not anything to do with the site survey 448 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 4: stuff the communication between local law enforcement. But where it 449 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 4: seems like, again for me just sitting on the sidelines, 450 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 4: where it seems like the huge breakdown occurred was the 451 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 4: coordination between local law enforcement and the Secret Service, and 452 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 4: that you know, apparently and again we're still waiting for 453 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 4: the rest of the information to come out. That the 454 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 4: critical information of there's a guy on that rooftop somehow 455 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 4: didn't make it to Secret Service. And so when local 456 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 4: law enforcement and federal agencies coordinate together, well it's a 457 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 4: huge force multiplier. And so every squat operation we would do, 458 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 4: the Dallas PD had officers that were embedded with the FBI. 459 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 4: They're called task force officers specifically, so they could do 460 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 4: the outer cord on if we're going to hit a target, 461 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 4: or we might use them to pull somebody over on 462 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 4: a pretext, you know, you violated a traffic signal. And 463 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 4: so we worked and it was something that there was 464 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 4: an habitual relationship, something that was fostered over a long 465 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 4: period of time, and so when those two work together, 466 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 4: it can go really good. Now in secret services defense, 467 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 4: it's much harder to do that when you're in a 468 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 4: different place every single day, and maybe you don't know 469 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 4: the local law enforcement folks there or not, but I 470 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 4: don't know. It was obviously a huge failure, and I 471 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 4: kind of thought we would have known more about what 472 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 4: has happened thirty days out than we do now. I've 473 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 4: been really disappointed by that too. So hopefully we will 474 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 4: with the hearings in Congress or whatever, we'll get to 475 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 4: the bottom of it sooner rather than later. 476 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 2: It just does seem though, that both sides of Congress 477 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: to bring that up, and I really try to stay 478 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: a political seem to agree on the same thing here, 479 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 2: like it was a failure. You know, you have Jamie Raskins, 480 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 2: who at heart yeah Democratic side, and you have other 481 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 2: sides on the Republic of both agreeing like I agree 482 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 2: with my colleague on the aisle. 483 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 4: And I think one of the things that frustrates me, 484 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 4: I think across government and government organizations is that as 485 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 4: a leader in the military, especially as an officer is 486 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 4: a young lieutenant, you're taught that you are responsible for 487 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 4: everything your platoon does and does not accomplish, which means 488 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 4: regardless of what happened, regardless of Knucklehead fell asleep, and 489 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 4: that is still your responsibility. And with responsibility comes repercussions. 490 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 4: And it seems like it is just rife throughout the 491 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 4: senior leadership of a lot of these governmental agencies that 492 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 4: it's really easy for them to say, I accept responsibility, 493 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 4: but there are no repercussions for the failures that happen 494 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 4: under that person's leadership. And as somebody that served in 495 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 4: the military, I just can't wrap my head around that. 496 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 2: You know. And what's outcome of that is the Secret 497 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: Service director did some of her resignation after that deposition. 498 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 2: I guess in front of Congress, you know what, Jamie 499 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 2: Raskins and all that. Yep, she just said, well, this 500 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 2: is what I have to do. 501 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 4: Yep, under duress, she certainly did that. It would have 502 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 4: would have been a little more, you know, because again, 503 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 4: if you think if that, you know, whatever the military 504 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 4: equivalent of that would have been, that commander would have 505 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 4: been relieved, right, There would have been no question about it. 506 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 4: You would have been relieved because you're responsible for everything 507 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 4: the men and women under your command do or don't do, 508 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 4: period And like. 509 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 2: At my store, my employe, you may have done something 510 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 2: and the person's upset, but at the end of the day, 511 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 2: it comes to me that I have to resolve it 512 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: or fix it or take it on my shoulders. Even 513 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 2: at that level, let alone this high level of bro, 514 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 2: you're talking top secret security clearance that we don't even 515 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 2: know exists, resigning right, right. You know, books are written 516 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: about that kind of mind, Like what's in there? You know, 517 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: it's like, holy cow, let's go back to talking about 518 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: your book Capture or Kill. Right, So that's supposed to 519 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: be something where you, if I understand, wrote it to 520 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 2: be put into tweting a couple of books that Vince 521 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: Flynn had created already. You're like, let me kind of 522 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: insert myself here. Yeah. 523 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 4: So when Vince started writing, and he was he is 524 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 4: my all time favorite writer, and he was really the 525 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 4: first of the post nine to eleven writers that came 526 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 4: up with this character whose job was to go hunt 527 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 4: down Terraces and shoot him in the face. That's basically 528 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 4: what Mitch Rapp does. And so when he started writing 529 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 4: those books, he aged Mitch and had them reflect current events, right, 530 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 4: so every time a new book came out, it was 531 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 4: that time. And so he did that up until a 532 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 4: book called Pursuit of Honor, and then he stopped and 533 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 4: went back and wrote two prequels that were kind of 534 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 4: telling Mitch Rapp's origin stories, and those were American Assassin 535 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 4: and Kill Shot. And then he fast forwarded again and 536 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 4: jumped in with what was unfortunately his last book before 537 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 4: he passed away, that was called The Last Man. And 538 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 4: so when I was looking at that and trying to 539 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 4: figure out, Okay, what am I going to do? Because 540 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 4: again I was lucky enough to write for another legacy series. 541 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 4: I wrote some books for books in the Tom Clancy 542 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 4: universe two when You're Coming to This, and that was 543 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 4: amazing too. But when you're coming, when you're coming to this, 544 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 4: what you want to do is give the readers what 545 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 4: they expect, but also tell a new story. Right again, 546 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 4: going back to the kid in the eighties thing. I 547 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 4: love the movie Top Gun still, Like my kids know 548 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 4: all the time that when I say no, I say negative, 549 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 4: ghost writer, you know, it's all the time things of 550 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 4: that movie. And so I was super nervous when Top 551 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 4: Gun Maverick came out because I'm like, am I gonna 552 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 4: watch this? And is it gonna ruin everything I loved 553 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 4: about the original movie? And to their credit, I think 554 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 4: they did a great job of paying homage to that 555 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 4: original movie, given the nods to everything we loved, but 556 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 4: still taking the story in a different direction, right, and 557 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 4: growing those characters and giving you something new. And so 558 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 4: that's what I really wanted to do with this Vince 559 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 4: Flynn book. And so as I was looking at it 560 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 4: and realized he had left that couple year gap in 561 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 4: the books, I thought, what happened during those three years? 562 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 4: And I started looking at him and lo and behold, 563 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 4: one of them was the Ben Loden raid. And so 564 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 4: I thought, you know what, he never addressed the. 565 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 3: Ben Loden raid. 566 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 4: And I remember, as a like, I said, I read 567 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 4: a bunch of his books in Afghanistan, because you know, 568 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 4: you had the official libraries and then people would just 569 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 4: leave paperbacks at the gym or you know, everywhere else 570 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 4: that you could just grab one and put one in. 571 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 4: And I remember when President Obama walked out and stood 572 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 4: behind that podium and said, we just killed Ben Lauden. 573 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 4: You know, my first thought is hell, yeah, we just 574 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 4: killed him. And then my second thought is I wonder 575 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 4: what Mitch Rap had to do with that? And so 576 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,959 Speaker 4: I remember looking back and saying, did Vince ever address that? 577 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 4: And so there were some questions fans had written on 578 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 4: his website and he kind of said, well, there was, 579 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 4: you know, a whole bunch of intelligence preparation of the 580 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 4: battlefield that happened beforehand, and that was probably what Mitch 581 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 4: was doing. And so when I dug into that, I'm like, 582 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 4: you know what, there's a story here, and I could 583 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 4: tell what did Mitch Rap do to help with the 584 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 4: ben Laden? 585 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 2: Right? 586 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 4: And so that's what Capture Kill answers the question that 587 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 4: Vince Flynn fans have been asking for the last thirteen years, 588 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 4: which is what did Mitch Rap have to do with 589 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 4: the ben Laden raids? So there's a ton of fun 590 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 4: to ride when you dig into that. There was you know, 591 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 4: there's been Zero Dark thirty and stuff like that too. 592 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 4: But there's a bunch of really interesting things that CIA 593 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 4: officers did in order to set the battlefield, to get 594 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 4: that intelligence, to be able to set the conditions for 595 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 4: the Navy seals that went in and punched his ticket 596 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 4: and so exactly. 597 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 3: That's capture kill. 598 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: That's so awesome because Mitch Rapp has to tell us 599 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 2: for sure what's going on in the ground. Yeah. Yeah, 600 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 2: you know, in Pakistan, only one guy, Mitch. You know 601 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I love it, dude, No, I do. 602 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 2: I think it's so cool. And uh, you know, because 603 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: we couldn't go in and just start causing conflict. You know, 604 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 2: hean't forbid we just go into a place, so we've 605 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 2: got to have for sure, for sure that we know 606 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 2: for sure. Dude. I love it, Mitch. 607 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 4: And I think that's one of the amazing things about 608 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 4: looking back, Like we look back at the ben Laden 609 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 4: raid or even d Day and stuff with the benefit 610 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 4: of knowing it succeeded, And so you can't really put 611 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 4: yourself in the position of the men and women who 612 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 4: had to make that call, not knowing whether it would 613 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 4: succeed right, And even like President Biden is famous for 614 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 4: saying that he told President Obama at the time when 615 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 4: he was vice president, He's like, don't do it right, 616 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 4: because you are risking starting a war with Pakistan. If 617 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 4: it goes sideways, you're going to have twenty something Americans 618 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 4: stuck in Pakistan. You know, you could ignite a regional 619 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 4: war if this goes sideways. And to his credit, President 620 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,959 Speaker 4: Obama authorized it. But I wanted to dive into that 621 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 4: and show that a little and say, what were the stakes, 622 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 4: what were the folks on the ground trying to do? 623 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 4: How do we set the conditions for that? And that's 624 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 4: what capture kill is. 625 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 2: That's awesome. So has your book ever made it to 626 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 2: the airport or are you excited for that? I have? 627 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 2: I had. 628 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 4: That is kind of the pinnacle of being a writer, 629 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 4: if you can see it at the airport. Though it 630 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 4: was a little bittersweet because the first book of mine 631 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 4: I ever though at the airport was a Tom Clancy book. 632 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 4: And now when I see him, I just walk up 633 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 4: sign him and put him back and don't say anything. 634 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 3: But at the time, I'm like, do I ask permission? 635 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 2: Do I? 636 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 4: And so I took it to the person behind the 637 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 4: cash register and said, I wrote this book? Can I 638 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 4: sign him? And she's like, yeah, just a minute, and 639 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 4: she gets a little pa and she's like Tom Clancy's 640 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 4: in the store right. 641 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 3: Now, and I'm like, no, no, no. 642 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 2: Just me. The Browns fans come running, They're like where 643 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 2: where where Oh wait, no, the Huff for October is 644 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 2: just off my bow, you know what I mean exactly. 645 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 2: I talk about what a cool genre to write in 646 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 2: is Tom Clancy's world. My dad being a Green Beret. 647 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 2: My dad grew up, I grew up around him reading 648 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 2: all the tom Clancies, and what he liked about it 649 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 2: was how detailed Tom Clancy was about, like the switch 650 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 2: that they flipped, you know, and it's like where it 651 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 2: comes from or whatever, the color of it, you know. 652 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 2: But when he watched Hump for October, he was like, 653 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 2: it was okay. He's like, he's like, it's all right. 654 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: You know, it's okay. You know, you gotta Scott's been 655 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 2: playing a Russian commander. You know, it's totally fine. You know, 656 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 2: I want to go to Montana. We love that movie. 657 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 2: I love that movie, love it. But he was like 658 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 2: it was okay. And I was like why, He's like, well, 659 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 2: the book is always better, Aaron, That's what he told me. 660 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 2: I was like, the book will always be better in 661 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 2: your mind. And he had he wanted to probably seem 662 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 2: the switches engravings or whatever. Yeah, you know, but I 663 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 2: love my dad always read all the books out loud, 664 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: so I would probably fall asleep, but in different voices. 665 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 3: Oh that's awesome. 666 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: Yeah all the time. So yeah, and as I grew 667 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 2: up and was married with my wife, I call my 668 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 2: little brothers twelve years younger than me. My dad was 669 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 2: doing that with Harry Potter, so he'd always be like 670 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 2: this Dumbledore. So I kind of get where I get 671 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 2: a lot of what I got, okay from my dad, 672 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 2: I had to put it out there. So a lot 673 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 2: of voiceover work and animated attitude about acting and movies. 674 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: So what about what about you? Do you have that 675 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 2: in your life? Your father and your inspired you military 676 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 2: wise or who kind of put you in that direction? Yeah? 677 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 4: I knew I wanted to serve from a pretty young age. 678 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 4: So I was the third generation. My grandfather served. Actually 679 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 4: both grandfathers served in World War Two, one in the 680 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 4: Army and one in the Marines. My father served in 681 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 4: Vietnam in the Vietnam conflict. Neither of them went to war. 682 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 4: They were both state side. But I like to say 683 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 4: that I am the first one to serve voluntarily. The 684 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 4: other two were drafted. And then so I knew from 685 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 4: an early age I wanted to serve, and then actually 686 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 4: last weekend. My son, our oldist, just graduated from Texas 687 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,239 Speaker 4: A and M. And he made poor choices. So he 688 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 4: was commissioned as a Marine Corps second lieutenant, which was 689 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 4: graduations and yeah, it was really really neat. It was 690 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 4: my gosh, Texas A and M. First of all, isn't 691 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 4: that the longhorns? 692 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 2: That? 693 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, I can't believe you just said that. 694 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 4: Those bang horns are actually University of Texas or Texas University. 695 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 4: The A and M are the Aggies, and so they 696 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 4: will tell you is that the University of Texas is 697 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 4: actually just a Texas University. The Aggies consider themselves the 698 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 4: actual University of Texas Texas. Yeah, yeah, and it really is. 699 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 4: It's an incredible place. Like it's fighting. Let's go to 700 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 4: Texas still. Yeah, let's let's go fight me. Let's go 701 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 4: plumbing down below, let's get into this. Come on, tell 702 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 4: me what's up right? And you don't know who longhorns are, Well, 703 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 4: let me tell you something. We have the Utah State 704 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 4: Aggies up north. We have the USU Aggie. So you 705 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 4: guys have your aggies, we have our aggies. Let's go 706 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 4: that one. That what It's awesome. 707 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, but congratulations to your marine, thank you his commission, 708 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 2: and to you right spreading that seed, bro. 709 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really really neat. They so he was 710 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 4: a member of the chorus. So Texas A and M 711 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 4: has was originally a military college and now still has 712 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 4: a Core Cadets. I think it's probably three or four 713 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 4: thousand folks, and so he wanted to do a private 714 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 4: commissioning ceremony beforehand, you know, for friends and family, and 715 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 4: so we did it on There's there's a ritual that's 716 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 4: called earning your Brass, which your freshman year and the 717 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 4: core Cadets there comes a point in time where you're 718 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 4: awarded the core bat brass that you can finally wear 719 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 4: on your uniform. And so for his outfit, they did 720 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 4: it at this particular bell tower, and so that's where 721 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 4: he wanted to be commissioned. And so I went and 722 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 4: administered his oath. All of his classmates came, so they 723 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 4: were thirty or thirty five kids there. And then I 724 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 4: had a couple of very close friends of mine who 725 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 4: served in the Ranger Regiment, one as an enlisted guy 726 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 4: and one as an officer, and asked them to kind 727 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 4: of speak and give some context between behind the oath 728 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 4: of office he was taking, because I think I don't 729 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 4: think you realize it until you're a parent and it's 730 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 4: your child. 731 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,280 Speaker 3: That's going into the military. 732 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 4: When you're twenty two or twenty three years old and 733 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 4: you're a platoon leader, you don't understand what you've been given. 734 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 4: And that the most valuable thing to these parents, their 735 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 4: sons and daughters. They are entrusting to you to lead. 736 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 4: And I don't think you truly appreciate the weight of 737 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 4: that until you're on the other side of that and 738 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 4: you're a parent, and now you're entrusting your son and 739 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 4: daughter to some other twenty two year old kid, potentially 740 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 4: to lead and potentially in combat. And so I wanted 741 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 4: a couple of my friends to kind of talk about 742 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 4: that and what it meant to be a leader and stuff, 743 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 4: and so it was fantastic. 744 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very I'm very chilled by what you just said, 745 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 2: you know, because it is very real. Right, I am 746 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 2: a father of a twenty two year old daughter and 747 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 2: a eighteen year old daughter and a sixteen year old 748 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 2: almost son, you know, And yeah, it starts calling, so 749 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 2: it starts knocking, and you know, every guy has either 750 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 2: thought about it or done it. That's kind of like 751 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 2: in our nature, you know. And I always am an 752 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 2: advocate to try, right. If you don't try, you'll never know. 753 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 2: And so you know, if you're looking for a career 754 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 2: in the military, to see if it's something for you here, 755 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 2: just go talk to a career counselor see if they 756 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 2: can offer you what you want out of it. Yeah, 757 00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 2: you can talk to them and they say, oh, yeah, 758 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 2: we get you to school. You got to give like 759 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 2: two years of yourself. But you know, once you get 760 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 2: back from that, and then you get discounts at Low's. 761 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 2: So you want to do this. It's a good idea, right, 762 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,839 Speaker 2: the discount part, right, that's great. It's you you get it. 763 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 2: You know, if the recruiter would actually be telling you 764 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 2: you're gonna get discounts afterwards, and like, okay, I guess so, 765 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 2: huh why not? You know the positive in it? Man? 766 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 2: Holy cow? 767 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 5: So So your book comes out September third, Yeah, this 768 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 5: is gonna be so awesome, you know, and you're gonna 769 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 5: have it everywhere. 770 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 2: It's gonna be just Barnes and Noble, local mom and 771 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 2: pop bookstores. Are you gonna be doing like a tour 772 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 2: where you can meet with these folks. 773 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, So I take off on My first event 774 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 4: is the third of September, I think, and it's in Minneapolis, 775 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 4: so Vince's hometown. So funny story his first book, nobody 776 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 4: in publishing wanted it, and so he self published it 777 00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 4: and sold it. 778 00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 3: Out of the back of his car. 779 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 4: He would literally roll up the bookstores and say, hey, 780 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 4: will you stock my book? And so there's a pretty 781 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 4: famous independent bookstore in Minneapolis called Once Upon a Crime, 782 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 4: and so Vince rolled up there and said, will you 783 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 4: stalk my book? And they're like, I don't think so, kid, 784 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 4: and he said, I tell you what, when I make 785 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 4: it big, I will launch every one of my book 786 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 4: tours out of this store first. And I'm sure the 787 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 4: owner is like, whatever, fine, we'll stock it. He honored 788 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 4: his word, and so even to this day, they start 789 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,760 Speaker 4: the tour there and we're going to I can't about 790 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 4: eight or nine other cities with all these kind of 791 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,359 Speaker 4: great independent bookstores and stuff to do it. So it's 792 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 4: really really fun. It's amazing to meet his fans and friends, 793 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 4: and I'm just very honored to do it. 794 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 2: I love that, actually, I love that you're going to 795 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 2: Once upon a crime to honor that, and I love 796 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,439 Speaker 2: that he gave the kid a chance and he said, 797 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 2: all right, kid, your head's this big right now, let's 798 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 2: put your book on the shelf. And he probably went 799 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 2: to that bookstore. He probably always like was arranging it, 800 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 2: you know, or wherever he could do. Yeah, you know, 801 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 2: i'll see friends books. I'll consider you a friend. I'll 802 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 2: see your book. I'll maybe move it, you know. Okay 803 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 2: at Costco? Who was I interviewing Brad Thor. He's another 804 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,359 Speaker 2: very you know his character, right, Scott. 805 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 3: Hart, Scott Harvest. 806 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah right, And I was like, Scott needs to 807 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 2: meet Mitch needs to meet Finn from Brandon Webb needs 808 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 2: to meet Jack Carr's guy needs to meet and like 809 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,919 Speaker 2: have like this, Hey guys, why aren't we all sitting 810 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 2: at the same bar. And then they all go off 811 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 2: on their own directions in their books. You know, the 812 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 2: character he noticed looked very navy sealing the bar. The 813 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 2: character he noticed looked very cia interesting, you know, just 814 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 2: like these like cosspaths. But again, like I've moved his 815 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:40,800 Speaker 2: book at Costco. 816 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 3: We did that at Costco. 817 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,760 Speaker 2: Bro holy cow to be in Costco. 818 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's something that you need. 819 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 2: That's right up your alley. Right, you're one of those 820 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 2: books we'll see in costco. 821 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And it's fun when you talk about 822 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 4: moving your book. I'm on a chat group with a 823 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 4: bunch of my fellow writer friends, and our favorite thing 824 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 4: to do is to go into stores, see one of 825 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 4: their books and put yours in front of it and 826 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,439 Speaker 4: then take a picture. And so I do that all 827 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 4: the time, Like though, Taylor Moore, watch this and I'll 828 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 4: put my book in front of his. 829 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 2: I need a book, Okay, note to Rad with this pencil, 830 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 2: write a book to be in club to then cover 831 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 2: other books. Absolute. I love that. Can I ask you 832 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 2: an Apache helicopter question? 833 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? 834 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 2: So my dad was totally into technology. We had a 835 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 2: Commodore sixty four and we played Apache Hellfire the AH 836 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 2: sixty so I've always known it as the age sixty Apache. Right, 837 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 2: as this video game very dots up and down hell 838 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 2: fire missiles. Favorite, did you ever fire any hellfire missiles? 839 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 2: And I asked this because a friend of mine is 840 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 2: and he's like, Rad, I deployed, but I've never fired 841 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 2: a hellfire missile and he's like. 842 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 4: Yeah you yeah, so not in combat, but in my 843 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 4: first studio assignment was Korea, and and it was nineteen 844 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 4: ninety nine, so before two thousand and one, when we 845 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 4: were still doing Cold War stuff. And so there's this 846 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,439 Speaker 4: little island off the coast to Korea, and so you'd 847 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 4: fly over water and just shoot hell fires at that 848 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 4: island and it was it was so much fun. Now 849 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 4: in Afghanistan, I deployed Afghanistan in two thousand and five, 850 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,359 Speaker 4: and we were the first long bow apaches into Afghanistan. 851 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 4: And the reason why that's significant is because it was 852 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 4: a brand new helicopter that was I don't know about 853 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 4: four thousand, five thousand pounds heavier, but it had the 854 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 4: same engines and so it was way way underpowered. Like 855 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 4: in the summertime, we didn't even have power to hover. 856 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 4: You'd bounce along the ground until you could get airborne. 857 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 4: And so when we went into Afghanistan, we didn't take 858 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 4: any hell fires. We took all the hellfire racks off, 859 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 4: we took the radar that controls the RF hellfires, did 860 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 4: everything we could to save weight, and so in Afghanistan 861 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,839 Speaker 4: what we used were the thirty millimeter cannon and then 862 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,240 Speaker 4: the rockets, and you had a bunch of different types 863 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 4: of rockets. You had the high explosive, the flaschetts, the 864 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 4: stuff like that. 865 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,880 Speaker 3: Now they have sense. 866 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 4: And to be fair, that only hell fires we had 867 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 4: back then were the anti tank designed to you know, 868 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:14,879 Speaker 4: penetrate armor. 869 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 3: Now they had and they're not. 870 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 4: Those aren't really good against troops in the open and 871 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 4: stuff like that because they're not designed to be fragmed. 872 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,280 Speaker 4: Like yeah, exactly. Now they've gone and there's this whole 873 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 4: family of hell fire missiles everything from they've got that 874 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 4: crazy they call it the Ninja hellfire that just has 875 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 4: blades that cop out pop out of it, and then 876 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,720 Speaker 4: they have ones that are more Yeah. 877 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 3: I seen that one. 878 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. I need a poster of just the hell fire 879 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 2: missile exploded all out in different hell fire. 880 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 3: It's crazy, bro. 881 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 2: When the F fourteen was, when Top Gun came out, 882 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 2: there was a poster of the F fourteen and had 883 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 2: every single weaponry that it came. Yeah. Yeah, my older 884 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,359 Speaker 2: cousin had on his wall. We'd always stare at it. 885 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 2: That was our internet, you know. 886 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, there was I can't remember who who it was. 887 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 4: One of the high value targets was killed in the 888 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 4: last couple year. I think they call it like the 889 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 4: GINSU hell Fire or something, and so hell fire. 890 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:12,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 891 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 4: So it was designed so that you could hit a 892 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:19,320 Speaker 4: car with it and minimize collateral damage. So literally knives 893 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 4: pop out that then goes through the roof of the 894 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 4: car and takes care of business. 895 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 2: Dude, that reminds me of that movie in the eighties 896 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 2: where the orb would flies through the mortuary and like 897 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 2: stick into you with the plade. Oh my gosh, dude, 898 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember that movie at all. 899 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,240 Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't remember. Oh my gosh, everybody 900 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 2: less watching common down below what that movie is called. 901 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,880 Speaker 2: If I remember it during the conversation, I'll bring it up. 902 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 2: But it was very scary and there's like this big 903 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,839 Speaker 2: seven foot tall mortician guy that would just walk the board. 904 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,359 Speaker 2: These kids broke in and they realized that they were 905 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 2: in like this portal of hell, and this like sphere 906 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 2: ball would fly around as its security, and then it 907 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,400 Speaker 2: had like this drill that was in your head and 908 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:58,520 Speaker 2: nice came out. Man. 909 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,240 Speaker 3: The shell was that I can't remember. 910 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 2: No, I'll figure it out. Someone calment down below. Let 911 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 2: me know I'm going off topic. That's eighties movies. We 912 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 2: talked about eighties movies. You said, you know, I hope 913 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,240 Speaker 2: that they didn't like screw up you know, the first 914 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,319 Speaker 2: version by making a second version. Yeah, what do you 915 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 2: think about Red Don versus Red Don? 916 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 4: I think I'm a fan of the first version, so 917 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 4: just leave it at that, like the first old right, Yeah, 918 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:25,279 Speaker 4: it was. 919 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 3: So much better. 920 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 4: It was in Jack Carr Post Hill Post about Red 921 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 4: Down every now and the end of that where it 922 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,759 Speaker 4: has the the guy talking about partisan rock and the kit. 923 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 4: You know, that is such a great ending of the movie. 924 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,759 Speaker 4: But yeah, I remember when I grew up there was 925 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,359 Speaker 4: woods behind my house and there were many many afternoons 926 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 4: spent prepping for when the Communisk. 927 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. Yeah, dude, me too. Bro. We trained to 928 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,959 Speaker 2: be ninjas in the backyard. And you know Red Don. 929 00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:01,399 Speaker 2: So one of my friends played the mayor's son. Really yeah, 930 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 2: Darren Dalton is. 931 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 3: The guy that swallows the little. 932 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,239 Speaker 2: Yeah Thomas like yeah, and in that scene, you know 933 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 2: how he like he's like, yeah, Patrick Swayst is like 934 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,640 Speaker 2: I can't do it. You know, he can't do Thomas 935 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 2: with a k. Well, he was supposed to fall backwards. 936 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,400 Speaker 2: That was the whole scene. And what he did was 937 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,360 Speaker 2: he's like, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna do this 938 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 2: on Tommy see Thomas and stumbles into him. Thomas Howe 939 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,799 Speaker 2: was not expecting that. So that whole scene right there 940 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,799 Speaker 2: was you know, love that. Yeah, And actually did an 941 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,920 Speaker 2: interview with Darren Dalton on soft Rep and you know 942 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,360 Speaker 2: a little while ago, and I'm trying to get Tommy. 943 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,440 Speaker 2: He's kind of shy. So see Thomas. If I can 944 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 2: get see Thomas on that'd be great. They will go 945 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 2: all over that place, man, Thomas, come to me. 946 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 3: There's a lot of eighties talent in that movie. 947 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:54,319 Speaker 4: They had Patrick Swayze, Leah Thomas or Thomas, Charlie Sheen. 948 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:59,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody but Emilio and someone. It's like, why weren't 949 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,439 Speaker 2: they Wolverine? Bro? 950 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,959 Speaker 3: You know the Teacher dream Team? 951 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the Teacher at the very beginning. Is there 952 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 2: something I can help you with? Bro? Everybody got a 953 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 2: little bit of a part in that movie Red Dawn. Well, listen, 954 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,719 Speaker 2: if you get the luxury that Holly wants to make 955 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,279 Speaker 2: you into a film, and you need an uber driver 956 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 2: that's furry to pull up, Hey, where are you going, spy? 957 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,720 Speaker 2: Let me take you. I got a couple of accents. 958 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 2: Think of this guy right here. All right, you ye, dude, 959 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,799 Speaker 2: that'd be awesome. I'll do you right, I'll show up 960 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 2: and just smile. Now now, now listen, I've had you 961 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,479 Speaker 2: on here for going on an hour. You've been very 962 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 2: pleasant and you have a great demeanor. And I just 963 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,920 Speaker 2: want to say that anytime that you have something you 964 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,800 Speaker 2: want to come and talk about, whether it's your book 965 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 2: or current topics, you're always welcome here at the House 966 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,759 Speaker 2: of Soft Rep. Okay. And I just want to say 967 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 2: that on behalf of all of us. And then also 968 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:59,520 Speaker 2: capture or kill Vince Flynn Don Bentley, the author. He's 969 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,400 Speaker 2: written numerous books New York Times bestselling author. And I 970 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,440 Speaker 2: can't wait to see your book at an airport if 971 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 2: I fly somewhere, I hope it's there, Okay. And I 972 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,040 Speaker 2: heard that now they give you like a little logo, 973 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,120 Speaker 2: right if you go up to them and say, hey, 974 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,799 Speaker 2: I'm here to sign a book. Oh yeah, they're like, 975 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,359 Speaker 2: oh you know, hold on, wait, wait, wait, Tom Clancy's here. 976 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 4: Everybody they do, and then sometimes they'll do the little 977 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,600 Speaker 4: author sign copy. But like I said, I don't ask 978 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 4: anymore because I have at an airport said hey, can 979 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 4: I sign the books and they look at me and 980 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:36,360 Speaker 4: they're like, no, no, you know now I just like yeah, yeah, 981 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 4: I just run in there, sign them and run out. 982 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,719 Speaker 3: Before they can catch me. So yeah, I love it. 983 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:42,360 Speaker 2: I love it seeing it. 984 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,320 Speaker 4: Seeing it at the airport is amazing. My final top tiers. 985 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,160 Speaker 4: I've never just randomly seen somebody I don't know reading 986 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,600 Speaker 4: one of my books. So that's what I'm looking for now, 987 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,040 Speaker 4: random stranger reading one of my books that hasn't happened yet. 988 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,239 Speaker 2: Maybe this is you should sit right by the Hey, 989 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 2: is that any. 990 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 3: Good hift to the back. That's a good looking author. 991 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,520 Speaker 2: Picture that page, that author page right there. Huh you 992 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,080 Speaker 2: recognize that guy? Sign it and grab it. Just start 993 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,799 Speaker 2: signing it. Here you go, number one fan, my number 994 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 2: one fan. Here you go. I want to be in 995 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,600 Speaker 2: my movie. Here we go. Call rad No man, I'm 996 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 2: gonna call you health Fire because I think that's awesome 997 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 2: that you got to throw health Fire missiles out. I'm 998 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 2: gonna brack to my friends. I interviewed an actual patche 999 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 2: pilot that got to use. 1000 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,920 Speaker 4: Health So the last, the last funny story about hell 1001 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,320 Speaker 4: fires is when you so you squeeze the laser trigger 1002 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,840 Speaker 4: and then you squeeze the trigger to launch the missile, 1003 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,880 Speaker 4: but there's a two second delay when you squeeze the 1004 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,839 Speaker 4: trigger before the missile leaves the rack, And so there 1005 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,120 Speaker 4: may have been they tell you about it. They're like, 1006 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 4: it's gonna seem like a wrong a long time. Do 1007 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 4: not double clutch that trigger. But there may have been 1008 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 4: times where you're like, oh my gosh, it's not comingy, 1009 00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,439 Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden there's two missiles leaving 1010 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,800 Speaker 4: the rails. So it is two seconds is a long 1011 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,759 Speaker 4: time while you're waiting for that missile to go. 1012 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're trying to fire it like a gun, 1013 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,719 Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, you're you're feeling like, I 1014 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,200 Speaker 2: gotta get this off and going, and why is it 1015 00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,799 Speaker 2: not going fire? Right? Your mindset is exactly, I gotta 1016 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,000 Speaker 2: get this situation. So you're like one Mississippi two Mississippi. 1017 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,440 Speaker 2: One Mississippi two Mississippi. 1018 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 3: You're like, did I squeeze it? Did I have squeezed 1019 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:25,480 Speaker 3: it hard enough? 1020 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I bet I could fly. I just use 1021 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,279 Speaker 2: my Commodore sixty four ASDs inter interspace bar. 1022 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,719 Speaker 4: The other thing they do sometimes when you're out of 1023 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,279 Speaker 4: practice is you have what's called a loud laser. And 1024 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 4: so if you're shooting the thirty millimeter, what you'll do 1025 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 4: a lot of times is lays first to get a 1026 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,680 Speaker 4: distance and then shoot. And so if you get the 1027 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,719 Speaker 4: triggers confused, you think you're pulling the laser trigger and 1028 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,440 Speaker 4: you're like firing the laser and all a sudden he goes, 1029 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,600 Speaker 4: it's because you squeeze the trigger to the thirty millimeter instead, 1030 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,160 Speaker 4: And so you have a very loud laser that may 1031 00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,560 Speaker 4: have happened to time or two too. 1032 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:06,160 Speaker 2: Lift drag rotation laser thirty millimeter. Right, those are the 1033 00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 2: important things. And hell fire to okay, okay, okay, and the. 1034 00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,400 Speaker 4: Bag you got it on that you're ready to go. 1035 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,360 Speaker 4: They can put you in this. They could put you 1036 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:15,080 Speaker 4: in the cockpit. 1037 00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 2: You're good, I mean, at least in a trainer. You 1038 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,400 Speaker 2: could at least try to roll me and dunky. Let 1039 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,160 Speaker 2: me try to get out and live. I'll try that 1040 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 2: water one where you dunk them, you know. 1041 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:27,840 Speaker 3: I mean, it was awful. It was awful. 1042 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,560 Speaker 4: You fly over water in Korea, and so they actually 1043 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,080 Speaker 4: have a mock up of the Apache and they lower 1044 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,840 Speaker 4: it into a pool and they have a diver on 1045 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,480 Speaker 4: either side, And so what they tell you is that 1046 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,239 Speaker 4: if you ever get in trouble where you get confused, 1047 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,239 Speaker 4: you're running out of air, you put both hands on 1048 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,759 Speaker 4: your head like this, and the diver has some kind 1049 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,680 Speaker 4: of quick release where he can pull you out of 1050 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,319 Speaker 4: your seat. And so as it was me and my 1051 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,840 Speaker 4: fellow pal team leaders and so since where the officers 1052 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,040 Speaker 4: were in line to go first, and my buddy Matt 1053 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,239 Speaker 4: Isaacson who just retired as a full bird colonel. He 1054 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,839 Speaker 4: was a one sixtieth guy and everything. Graduate he gets 1055 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,319 Speaker 4: in there, they drop him in and they tell you 1056 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,399 Speaker 4: the very first time, put your hands on your head, 1057 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,080 Speaker 4: just to prove to yourself that we can pull you out. 1058 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,279 Speaker 3: So they dunk him in there. 1059 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,399 Speaker 4: He puts his hands on his head and the driver 1060 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,799 Speaker 4: diver goes and he can't get him out, and so 1061 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,279 Speaker 4: they're trying to get him out. They're pulling there, saying 1062 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,840 Speaker 4: do an emergency raise, and so it's this crane, so 1063 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,080 Speaker 4: it's barely coming out of the water and they finally 1064 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,600 Speaker 4: gets up and he's like yeah, and so they're like, oh, 1065 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 4: it's never happened before. Bentley, You're up next, and I'm like, 1066 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:29,800 Speaker 4: oh my gosh. 1067 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,600 Speaker 2: It's never happened before, but use the crane. Raise it up. 1068 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,239 Speaker 2: That's never happened before, but we haven't get him up. 1069 00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:40,959 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, exactly exactly. So yeah, because you really 1070 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,640 Speaker 2: are getting dunked underwater and you're drowning. 1071 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:50,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, you they spin you, they blindfold you, they do 1072 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,200 Speaker 4: all of those things because the and it's really useful training, 1073 00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,400 Speaker 4: but it's awful. By the time you get done, your 1074 00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,839 Speaker 4: sinuses have been flooded eight or ten times. 1075 00:51:58,920 --> 00:51:59,040 Speaker 2: Now. 1076 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,360 Speaker 4: It's not like buds awful, don't get me wrong, like 1077 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,520 Speaker 4: nobody's passing out and they smack you around and say. 1078 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:05,440 Speaker 2: Get back in the pool. 1079 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,240 Speaker 4: But it is a little bit nerve wracking for sure. 1080 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,400 Speaker 2: A little bit. Dude, holy cat living through all of that, 1081 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:16,839 Speaker 2: and jeez, and a dad living through all that too, right, absolutely, 1082 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,960 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, oh my gosh. Well, praise to you 1083 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 2: and your family and your wife who you know bore 1084 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:23,680 Speaker 2: your kids. 1085 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:24,839 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 1086 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,279 Speaker 2: Shout out to her a hundred percent. Right, So I 1087 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,319 Speaker 2: just want to say, capture or kill. Go buy that 1088 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 2: book comment down below on any place that you buy 1089 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,080 Speaker 2: it online so that the author gets some feedback in 1090 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,239 Speaker 2: a review. So if you buy it on the main 1091 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,200 Speaker 2: Amazons or out there on Barnes Andnoble dot com. Leave 1092 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,640 Speaker 2: a review for the author for the book. You know, 1093 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,960 Speaker 2: you never know, grab a book, read it. You may 1094 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,319 Speaker 2: never know if he's gonna sit down next to you 1095 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,799 Speaker 2: and sign it. Okay, so please please do yeah, you know, 1096 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,839 Speaker 2: make him go to the number one New York Times 1097 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,000 Speaker 2: so he always comes on our show to release his 1098 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:02,680 Speaker 2: next book. Okay, then move with me now Now, Don, 1099 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,160 Speaker 2: I've really had you for some time and you're awesome, 1100 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,960 Speaker 2: and again you're always welcome back. And thank you to 1101 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,040 Speaker 2: my listener for listening and going to the merch store 1102 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,120 Speaker 2: right now and buying everything in the merch store. We 1103 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,560 Speaker 2: really appreciate that. Okay. And the book club, please go 1104 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,399 Speaker 2: check out our book club and if there's a way 1105 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,520 Speaker 2: that we can get Don's book in there, then we'll 1106 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,680 Speaker 2: work that out. Yeah. Please, you know, and again you're 1107 00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,800 Speaker 2: always welcome. Thank you for your service to our country. 1108 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,360 Speaker 2: Thank you for questioning yourself about your service to our country. 1109 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:35,040 Speaker 2: Thank you for bringing who you brought home alive and well. 1110 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,799 Speaker 2: And sorry for those that didn't make it. Are your 1111 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,920 Speaker 2: friends and loved ones that we don't I don't even know, 1112 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,520 Speaker 2: but sorry about that. So I guess on behalf of 1113 00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,560 Speaker 2: all of us here at a humble Soft reap on, 1114 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,040 Speaker 2: behalf of your service. Thank you so much for being 1115 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:47,520 Speaker 2: on the show. 1116 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for having me rat It 1117 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:50,680 Speaker 3: was awesome. 1118 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're a little different around here, so thanks for 1119 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,719 Speaker 2: rolling with it and I really appreciate it. Now, if 1120 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,000 Speaker 2: you guys are interested anymore about capture or kill, just 1121 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,680 Speaker 2: start googling it. Look it up. It'll be everywhere. If 1122 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,440 Speaker 2: you want to check out as book tour, is there 1123 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,200 Speaker 2: a website that they can go check out your book 1124 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,359 Speaker 2: tour with that? Yeah? 1125 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,279 Speaker 4: So just Don bentleybooks dot com so b E N 1126 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,960 Speaker 4: T L E y Don bentleybooks dot com. Scott all 1127 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:12,560 Speaker 4: the info. 1128 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,520 Speaker 2: Okay, we'll have that broken down in a little dissertation 1129 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,600 Speaker 2: at the bottom so people can click on that if 1130 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,000 Speaker 2: you're watching this on YouTube and everywhere else. Thanks so much. 1131 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,200 Speaker 2: This is the beautiful face that gets to be here. 1132 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,400 Speaker 2: With this beautiful face right here and again on behalf 1133 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,799 Speaker 2: of everyone here at softwarep Aton My producer Guy, our 1134 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,959 Speaker 2: editor Brandon Webb, the creator and managing of everything over. 1135 00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:35,520 Speaker 2: I don't know how you do it, bro, And you're 1136 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,759 Speaker 2: a pilot and an author I don't even know. I 1137 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,319 Speaker 2: don't even know, so thank you so much for having 1138 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,319 Speaker 2: me as your host and listening and taking the time. 1139 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,799 Speaker 2: And thanks again to Don so On, behalf of Don 1140 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:46,840 Speaker 2: I Say Peace. 1141 00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,640 Speaker 1: You've been listening to Self Rep Radio