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Speaker 3: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here at you

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Speaker 4: If you're critiquing them for that, then you're just being selfish. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: like you're just mad at you.

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Speaker 2: I like selfish, Like this is going to be a

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Speaker 2: problem all season.

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Speaker 3: Between may and Mayo. You have issues. Yeah, it's going

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Speaker 3: to be a problem anyway.

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Speaker 5: He has a little thing goes around you.

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Speaker 2: I just wonder, like, at some point and I'm talking

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Speaker 2: to you, draw this is do what you want to do.

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Speaker 2: Do what you want to do.

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Speaker 5: Don't you know how you're telling them what to do?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be us suggestion to you that you

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Speaker 3: not speak. You know, we wont went on anything to happen.

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Speaker 5: You know, why are you doing to happen? Because we

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Speaker 5: can just make fun of Italian so every time we want.

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Speaker 5: Oh so now all Italians were mobbed up.

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Speaker 3: I didn't say that, you did. I stepped on another

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Speaker 3: hornet's nest.

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Speaker 5: Another do this has happened multiple times? Oh yeah, Freddy,

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Speaker 5: can you not step on hornets.

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Speaker 2: I tell you it's a jungle out there. Everything out

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Speaker 2: there wants to kill you. It doesn't really snow that much.

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Speaker 2: That means probably this year we're gonna get killed.

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Speaker 6: Is that with the fall of the Farmer's Almanaca is saying, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't go by that, or they have been ready right

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Speaker 2: since the forties.

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Speaker 3: All right, rocking the Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday here at Jillette Stadium, and most importantly,

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Speaker 2: we're two days away from the opening of the NFL

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Speaker 2: regular season. We're only a few days away from the

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Speaker 2: Patriots traveling to Cincinnati to get ready to play the

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Speaker 2: Bengals for their season opener.

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Speaker 3: Life is exciting right now. We can can you feel

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Speaker 3: the excitement.

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Speaker 2: Again and you feel the electricity.

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Speaker 6: I feel the fall in the air. It's a little

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Speaker 6: Chris this morning in fall. It feels, you know, it

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Speaker 6: feels like it's the time is right to begin the

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Speaker 6: football campaign of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Deuce, it's me, it's Paul, it's Evan, Matt

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Speaker 2: and thea booth We're going to talk about the Patriots

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Speaker 2: for the next two hours. A lot to talk about,

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Speaker 2: obviously as they get ready for the Cincinnati Bengals, But

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Speaker 2: it seems like, you know, previewing who the Bengals are

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Speaker 2: are kind of secondary to like just talking about the

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Speaker 2: team itself, in the state of the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: And what it's going to look.

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Speaker 2: Like going into this game, because really no one has

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Speaker 3: I mean, we kind of have an.

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Speaker 2: Idea about the defense and what we think it should

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Speaker 2: look like based on a lot of there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of carryover from last year. Even with coaches, there's there's carryover.

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Speaker 2: But when it comes to the offense, for me at least,

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Speaker 2: it's a whole new world. I have no clue what

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Speaker 6: I think they're going to try to run the ball.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it seems like that's what I kind of

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Speaker 6: to that's the one thing to start the starting point

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Speaker 6: with the offense. But I've said it before, it's like,

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Speaker 6: how productive are these wide receivers going to be? You know,

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Speaker 6: know Lowe was out there, but have you said he

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, that's late developmentre we go, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: And then I mean, not to get into Bengals, but

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Speaker 6: whole off season has been about everybody wants to get

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we were at practice yesterday and there's chooks the

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Speaker 4: corps for a left tackle. Then Nick Leverett and Michael

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Speaker 3: Listen, I would trade.

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Speaker 2: I would trade for continuity, stability and communication on the

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Speaker 2: offensive line for Jamar Chase playing. Like if I could

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Speaker 2: trade that, Jamar Chase is going to play for sure,

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Speaker 2: but we knew who this offensive line was and it

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Speaker 5: That's a great pH Well, p U debate right there. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: you know, no answer, there's no right answer, no way

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Speaker 6: Chase just hopping and play. I mean, I think it's

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Speaker 5: Rather have the other thing. Would Chase not playing? It

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Speaker 2: But I think they have other good receivers too, so

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Speaker 2: and they still let Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 6: And changed over. Yeah, I mean, so there's gonna be

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Speaker 6: some questions in the spot with andre Yoshiva's I believe

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Speaker 6: which you know we'll get into matchups, but.

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Speaker 2: Here we got things have changed. So paulse you know

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Speaker 2: what Paul's doing. He's setting it up. If Chase doesn't play,

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Speaker 2: the Patriots should win.

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Speaker 5: If they don't I'm not setting it up for that.

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Speaker 5: You're not doing a fella, guy, No, No, I'm not

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Speaker 5: setting it up for that. I think they're going to

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Speaker 6: Say two in the twenty twenty two game with the Browns,

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Speaker 6: he's that's no secret. He's He's a huge part of

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Speaker 4: I me and Drew Sample can make the case for

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Speaker 3: Make the case.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna make the case. Make the case there are

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Speaker 4: I'm not I'm saying there's a chance. I'm not picking

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Speaker 4: of some of the trends that you look at between

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Speaker 4: Brisset trounce this team in twenty twenty two, just two

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Speaker 4: even though you probably would think it would be the

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Speaker 4: They are notoriously slow starters in Cincinnati. Joe Burrow's one

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Speaker 4: has that Pittsburgh Steeler blueprint that we're used to around

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Speaker 2: Just to the Jet Division has always been creazy. I mean,

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Speaker 2: even when the Browns were down, they they would have

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Speaker 2: you know, so that's always been a very competitive division

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Speaker 6: How competitive you know, it's a lot of the Patriot

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Speaker 6: going nowhere. So I don't know, I mean, it's wishful thinking.

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Speaker 6: I just I wish I just feel like it's divisional and.

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Speaker 5: Well I think it's I mean, is not a fella girl.

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Speaker 5: I'm not trying to set it up, but it is

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Speaker 5: a good time to play a team that is better

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Speaker 4: I can hope he also he is coming off of

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Speaker 5: Not didn't miss any time in camped In the last

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it just even their month of September record is

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Speaker 5: And it's not it doesn't you know, it doesn't strike

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Speaker 5: me as the explosive offense that they've had in the past.

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Speaker 5: So that's why I think it is a good time

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Speaker 5: to get him. I you know, if the game is

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Speaker 5: you know it keeps you, It keeps you in the game.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 5: I do think Cincinnati should be a little bit better

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Speaker 5: these things don't just work on paper. They they brought

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 5: You know with Gino Stone and Von Bell, they they

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Speaker 4: He's their best receiver. I don't think they have a

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Speaker 3: He's not he's not yet and he's not an X

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Speaker 4: Grob Gronkowski was not a number one receiver for ten years.

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Speaker 5: It's not necessarily like you can't have a number one

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Speaker 4: But you just want one that's going to play more

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Speaker 6: Play every down like Cooper Cup plays every down. I

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Speaker 5: No, I don't think so he's going to be.

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Speaker 2: Well, especially when you do the pregame show, are you

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Speaker 5: Jeff Hopson is uh uh. I like to call these

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Speaker 4: Big lou is gonna be a head coach in the NFL. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: That'll be next week the Amba defense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, next week they'll be we'll talk about that.

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Speaker 6: With the injury report, But he's he's been back at practice,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jeremy Springer didn't want us to see, you know,

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Speaker 4: Conditioning early on yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So just a reminder to everybody that we're back

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Speaker 2: to our in season schedule Tuesday, Wednesdays and Thursdays at noon,

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Speaker 2: so you're gonna have three days going forward of Patriots

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Speaker 3: So not just for the.

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Speaker 5: And I can continue my dominance.

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Speaker 3: We're pretty damn good at it.

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Speaker 3: You the final status Patriots yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Yeah some of them.

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Speaker 5: Mike looked at me like like he saw a ghost.

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Speaker 5: When when And I know that all the listeners now,

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Speaker 4: No, no, I don't get fined. Only when it happened.

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Speaker 5: Of the funny thing is I didn't think anything of it,

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Speaker 5: I thought Cardona was a little surprised.

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Speaker 4: Well, some do they need to have a special teams captain?

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Speaker 4: Is that like a requirement?

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Speaker 5: I think about he's a long snapper thing.

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Speaker 4: guess Jabrill Peppers maybe in for Hunter Henry was how

443
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Speaker 4: I'll look it up.

444
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Speaker 2: I was fine right now and I said this during

445
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Speaker 2: training camp. Peppers might be our best defensive player.

446
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Speaker 5: I think there's a strong argument for that.

447
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Speaker 10: Yeah.

448
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Speaker 5: I sort of wrote something about that in the notebook

449
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Speaker 5: that I posted this morning. Yeah, I just feel like

450
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Speaker 5: he's trending to that. And this is not I don't

451
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Speaker 5: mean this to be disrespectful to Peppers, but you know,

452
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Speaker 5: Barbore is gone, Judaan's gone, right, I think Pepper's is

453
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Speaker 5: the logical.

454
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think, you know, and I absolutely write

455
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Speaker 2: what you're saying. I think if Barba was here, you'd,

456
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Speaker 2: you know, may make an argument, right, But I think

457
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Speaker 2: Pepper's game has risen a little bit towards you know,

458
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Speaker 2: last year, and hopefully it continues to rise.

459
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Speaker 5: But I think it is where Evan and I will

460
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Speaker 5: take the next half hour off.

461
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Speaker 2: He came on last year, so I you know, I'm

462
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Speaker 2: I think the future is bright for him on this team.

463
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Speaker 6: I just want to see turnovers, So I want to

464
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Speaker 6: see takeaways from him, you know, I want to see

465
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Speaker 6: him really involved in those. We didn't see enough of

466
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Speaker 6: them last year, just as a whole on the defense.

467
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Speaker 6: And and we're talking a little bit. On our preview show,

468
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Speaker 6: Evan was mentioning in the late nineteens teams now they

469
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Speaker 6: kind of relied on the secondary a little bit more

470
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Speaker 6: than they had the elite pass rushers, and you know,

471
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Speaker 6: I just I think you really saw a big drop

472
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Speaker 6: off last year. Maybe one of the biggest reasons that

473
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Speaker 6: the win total took such a dramatic dip was just

474
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Speaker 6: those dried up too. Your turnovers spiked on the offensive

475
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Speaker 6: side of the ball. So I just think for a

476
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Speaker 6: team like this is really important this year, get get

477
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Speaker 6: those takeaways. You know, get christians all. It's not a

478
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Speaker 6: lot of ball hands on balls this summer. I want

479
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Speaker 6: to see more of that. I want to see him

480
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Speaker 6: be able to get some takeaways. Jonathan Jones. I just

481
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Speaker 6: that's that's such a key for this defense. It seems

482
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Speaker 6: like they're going to be aggressive, and if they're able

483
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Speaker 6: to get those takeaways in the secondary, I think it'd

484
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Speaker 6: just be a huge, huge boost and hopefully Pepperson lead

485
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Speaker 6: the way.

486
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Speaker 4: Yeah, not as many of Paul's pick threes.

487
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Speaker 5: Now there are a few, but they just didn't they

488
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Speaker 5: didn't have any turnovers.

489
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Speaker 4: Mike is right twenty twenty two. That was all it was, right,

490
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Speaker 4: and that's short fields and good field position, and that's

491
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Speaker 4: you know why you get to eight wins instead of

492
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Speaker 4: four in a lot of ways, but this safety tandem

493
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Speaker 4: for the Patriots is like the one thing that I feel.

494
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Speaker 5: Like that you can say strength of the team.

495
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Speaker 4: This is a really, really good duo that they have,

496
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Speaker 4: maybe the best duo in the league. If both those

497
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Speaker 4: guys play to their potential this season, and both players

498
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Speaker 4: can make splash plays on the ball, both players can

499
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Speaker 4: play at all three levels of the defense. It's an

500
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Speaker 4: exciting tandem with Duggar and Pep. And I just wonder

501
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Speaker 4: you don't have Judah, you don't have bar More. You know,

502
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Speaker 4: maybe the way to get after the quarterback is we

503
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Speaker 4: can get by with only five guys back here, like

504
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Speaker 4: we have Christian Gonzalez. We have these two safeties and

505
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Speaker 4: we like a whole lot. Jonathan Jones is like mister

506
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Speaker 4: steady on the back end too, And maybe they can

507
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Speaker 4: bring five, bring six guys sometimes to get after quarterbacks.

508
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Speaker 3: That WASKI it's risky.

509
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Speaker 4: Well, they did it in eighteen and nineteen when Gilmore

510
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Speaker 4: was winning Defensive Player of the Year and he was

511
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Speaker 4: like at his peak. And I'm not trying to say

512
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Speaker 4: that Christian Gonzalez needs to be that good and in

513
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Speaker 4: the running for Defensive Player of the Year. But if

514
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Speaker 4: he looks like he did the first month the last season,

515
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Speaker 4: and you can put him on an island against you know,

516
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 4: other team's top receivers and you can come after the quarterback.

517
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Speaker 6: I think my big question right now is like, who

518
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Speaker 6: is your best nickel and dime players? You know? And

519
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Speaker 6: I know they can be cornerback, can be safety, but

520
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Speaker 6: you know, it's it's after the top four with Jones, Gonzales, Dougar, Peppers,

521
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Speaker 6: who's the next best two guys and what you know?

522
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Speaker 6: And of course they can rotate and they can put

523
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Speaker 6: you know, it could be Marcus Jones, it could be

524
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Speaker 6: Jalen Hawkins. But who are the best Who's the best

525
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Speaker 6: fifth and sixth guy in the secondary?

526
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Speaker 4: I think it's those two, just depending on you want

527
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Speaker 4: to be three safety or you want to be like

528
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 4: traditional nickel yeah, or.

529
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Speaker 6: Is there anybody else who is even in that mix

530
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Speaker 6: right now?

531
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Speaker 5: You know?

532
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Speaker 4: I think just speaks to their depth.

533
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Speaker 5: I think Marco Wilson might be. But I agree with Evan.

534
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Speaker 5: I think the two guys are the ones you mentioned Mark,

535
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Speaker 5: you know, and if it's not them, it could be

536
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 5: some issues because you need some depth. And this is

537
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Speaker 5: back to the argument that you and I made heading

538
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Speaker 5: into training camp, Mike about corner. I think safety is

539
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Speaker 5: pretty deep. I feel pretty good about those three guys,

540
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 5: but corner, I don't feel as good about the top three.

541
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Speaker 5: And I don't think there is really a fourth as

542
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Speaker 5: Mao said that has established any consistency.

543
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Speaker 4: There's not really even that depth up front either, you know.

544
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Speaker 5: Like I mean see. And that's the other thing is

545
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Speaker 5: I think the front seven was the strength. Now I

546
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Speaker 5: would say that the back end is the strength because

547
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 5: and lose barmb more and Jude on. Yeah, that that

548
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 5: chips away.

549
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Speaker 2: It's so funny how the game has changed, because I

550
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: remember when I was young, you'd be talking about teams

551
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Speaker 2: linebackers first.

552
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Speaker 3: You know, who do they have at linebackers?

553
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 5: Now no one plays linebackers like the field.

554
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Speaker 4: It's so funny how it's just like in basketball, like

555
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 4: how there's no mid range game anymore. Yeah, linebackers are

556
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 4: the mid range jumper of the NFL. Like they just

557
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 4: it's all about the back end and the front end,

558
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 4: you know, the layups and threes, like that's all they're

559
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 4: worried about now. And I just look at the Patriots.

560
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 4: In to Mike's point, their dime like is probably a

561
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 4: three safety dime with Jalen Hawkins and going back to

562
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 4: that eighteen season, I just remember with those three guys

563
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 4: back there that they one would play the up top

564
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 4: and the post safety role and then one would be

565
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Speaker 4: on the tight end, one would be kind of roaming.

566
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Speaker 4: And that's what you sort of get with that three

567
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 4: safety package. Hawkins starn Harmon like he can literally just

568
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Speaker 4: play the deep middle and just not give up a bomb,

569
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Speaker 4: you know, over his head, and that's all that they

570
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 4: need from it. That's the big difference.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you just named it. I mean it's Deron

572
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Speaker 6: Harmon and Jason mccordy, who were two established proven NFL

573
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Speaker 6: players as kind of your nickel and dime guys, and

574
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Speaker 6: now they just they don't really they don't really.

575
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Speaker 5: Have that depth.

576
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Speaker 6: I was also going to say, like the Bengals are

577
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Speaker 6: kind of a good example with what they've done with

578
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Speaker 6: with Wilson and Pratt like those that's kind of you know,

579
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Speaker 6: those two guys just kind of play the whole time.

580
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Speaker 5: It's and that's like a lot of teams, you know,

581
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 5: they have two guys now you could say well, I

582
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 5: like Bentley and Tavia better than someone else, or you know,

583
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 5: Wilson and Pratt better than you know Bentley and teams

584
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 5: have good linebackers, but they don't have a lot of them.

585
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 5: To Fred's point, used to be able to like rattle

586
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 5: off like a three four defense like, oh, they have

587
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 5: those four linebackers or you know whatever.

588
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 6: Teddy Johnson Pfeiffers like that. It's like right down the list.

589
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, now you know it's one of it's doesn't get

590
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 5: as much attention as like the full back going away

591
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 5: and things like that, like the way people play nowadays,

592
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 5: But linebackers are not generally the lifeblood of a defense.

593
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Speaker 2: You know, we're getting except for cornerback. Are we getting

594
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: to the point or trending toward positionless defensive players?

595
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Speaker 3: You know?

596
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 4: Well, I would say that the Patriots hybrids are kind

597
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 4: of positionless, like Dugger Pepper's Like those guys play linebacker

598
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 4: a lot of the time, Like they literally are playing

599
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 4: linebacker at the second level of the defense. But you know,

600
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 4: the Patriots, like on passing downs thirty eight, like they

601
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 4: run their five zero package, so they have five rushers

602
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 4: across the line of scrimmage and then six guys in

603
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 4: the back end, and there's just nobody in the second level,

604
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 4: Like they just you know, they don't really even cover

605
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 4: the second level in that type of way anymore. So

606
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 4: it's a totally different way to structure defense, and they

607
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 4: were to Belichick's credit, he was kind of at the

608
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 4: forefront of that, Like, let's get the two hundred and

609
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 4: fifty pound linebacker off the field on third down and

610
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 4: let's replace him with a two hundred and twenty pounds

611
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 4: safety who that if they do surprise us and run

612
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 4: a draw or something like that, he can still make

613
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Speaker 4: a play.

614
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Speaker 2: Be competitive. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, I lost

615
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 2: my train of thought anyway. Now, I was just I've

616
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: said it before that everything in the league now favors

617
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: the offense in terms.

618
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 3: Of the rules and all that.

619
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Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean the defenses aren't getting better. You

620
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: may not see the elite defenses that you saw in

621
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: the pass but for an average to just middling quarterback,

622
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 2: these defenses are tough.

623
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Speaker 5: I would play last year it was a little bit

624
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 5: of a resurgence. It was defense in general. Yeah, you know,

625
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 5: it's not anything else. Yeah, it's not a trend of

626
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 5: him overall, but I thought there was a little pushback

627
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 5: on defense last year, but I think.

628
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: We don't see it as late people. But these defenses

629
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: are sophisticated. They are hard to read for a quarterback,

630
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: and that's why there's not a lot of good quarterbacks

631
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: in the world that can play in the NFL. And

632
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: it's because these defenses are really tough to figure out.

633
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 4: They've the defenses are back, yeah, like I'm not sure

634
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 4: all the way back yet, but they're they're trending back.

635
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 4: And the two biggest things is they figured out RPOs

636
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 4: at the NFL level, Like the RPO, like yards per

637
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 4: play on RPOs is on a downward trend, like they're

638
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 4: they've the league is like all right, Like we get it.

639
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 4: Like you know, we're gonna play the pass with man coverage,

640
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 4: We're gonna stop the run with six guys in the box.

641
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 4: We're good, right, Like it's not as much of an

642
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 4: advantage like Philly last year. Their offense is like built

643
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 4: on RPOs and they were nowhere near as good as

644
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 4: they were the year before. Defenses are catching up. The

645
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 4: other thing just you know, schematic minutia a lot of

646
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 4: more simulated or creeper pressure where you only bring four guys,

647
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 4: but you don't know which four guys are coming in

648
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 4: the pass rush. So they'll put you know, five, six

649
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 4: guys up along the line of scrimmage maybe, and then

650
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 4: two will drop out and four will come. But it's

651
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 4: a different four every single time.

652
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Speaker 3: Steelers, I mean, have been doing that for years really.

653
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that's just a way to kind of keep

654
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: the numbers in the secondary the same but still get

655
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 4: pressure in disguise pressure and blitz and things like that.

656
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 4: So those things have kind of even in the playing

657
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 4: field a little bit.

658
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Speaker 6: Again, that's a conversation next week we'll be having. Yeah.

659
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's probably the best at it, Mike McDonald's, you know,

660
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 4: other frankly, other than Bill, Like Bill was really very

661
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 4: good at all this stuff too. And the Patriots run

662
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 4: all sorts of you know, sims, creepers, all that kind

663
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 4: of stuff, all.

664
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Speaker 2: Right, Eight five to five Pass five hundred is the

665
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: ACE ticket hotline, web radio at Patriots dot com is

666
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: the email address. Lots of emails coming in. But I

667
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: want to also talk about some of the other games.

668
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: Are you going to be watching Thursday night?

669
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 5: Absolutely? Yeah, that's a that's a good matchup Kansas City

670
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 5: were the two best teams in the AFC.

671
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe in the league, Derek, I was just gonna.

672
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 5: Say, not that anybody cares, but they were one two

673
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 5: and my my preseason power rankings.

674
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: I mean, he could be the difference for Baltimore, take

675
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: a little bit of the burden off of Jackson in

676
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: the run game and just pound the all with him.

677
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 6: Well when they had I mean mark Ingraham went like

678
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 6: twenty nineteen when they beat the Ingram Sorry, yeah, get

679
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 6: Ingris something missed up, but that was when they were

680
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 6: kind of felt like at their best with that power,

681
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 6: you know, having that power compliment to Lamar's.

682
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 5: Speed and just ability. So yeah, it's it's.

683
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Speaker 6: Worrisome, I would say having that guy with that team.

684
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 4: We'll see, But.

685
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not as sold on that. I think he's

686
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 5: a little bit close to done and I don't think

687
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 5: that style is necessarily conducive to him. But we'll see.

688
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 4: I agree, I wouldn't worry with him. Would be like

689
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 4: you're going to run Derrick Henry out of the gun,

690
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 4: because if he doesn't have a full head of steam

691
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 4: coming at the line of scrimmage, it's a different cat.

692
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 4: Like he's not he's not a spread back like he is.

693
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 4: A put the quarterback under center, hand it off, you know,

694
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 4: turn around, handed off, and let him go to work.

695
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 4: So there's other ways that maybe they do it to

696
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 4: kind of get around that. But I don't really love

697
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 4: Derrick Henry starting from a standstill and then having to

698
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 4: like make quick moves and things like that.

699
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 5: My thing, Fred, this will stun you. Yes, I think

700
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 5: if Baltimore is gonna get over the hump and take

701
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 5: the next step, they need to figure out a way

702
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 5: to be more productive in the passing game. And I

703
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 5: don't think that this on paper seems to be an

704
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 5: indication that they want to do that. I think they

705
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 5: want to just continue to pound the football, like Mike said,

706
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 5: maybe not have Lamar have to run as often because

707
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 5: they have a guy that maybe they can rely on,

708
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 5: which is great, But I think at some point you

709
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 5: fall behind in a big game and you don't really

710
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 5: have the tools to get back in it. You know.

711
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 5: It's it's obviously, especially with Taylor Swift drawing up plays

712
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 5: for the Chiefs, it's obviously, you know, a high power

713
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 5: to high class problem. But it's similar to like what

714
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 5: we used to say about the Mac Jones Patriots. They

715
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 5: can't fall behind now. They don't fall behind, you know,

716
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 5: as often as the mac Jones Patriots did. But you

717
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 5: saw what happened when they played Kansas City, and I

718
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 5: don't think the Chiefs would. I don't think the Chiefs

719
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 5: were great last year. And I know that's silly to

720
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Speaker 5: say of a Super Bowl champion, you know, a back

721
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 5: to back Super Bowl chain it being at that, but

722
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 5: I think they were there to be had and Baltimore

723
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 5: I think was better. They just didn't play better that

724
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 5: day and they fall behind. I think Lamar Jackson is terrific,

725
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 5: but he still hasn't refined himself enough in my view,

726
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 5: as that pure NFL passer to be able to come

727
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 5: from behind to do that in a big spot like that.

728
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 4: They've also had trouble with receivers like Zay Flowers is

729
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 4: probably the best one that they've gotten in there so far.

730
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: He's single handedly almost lost that game.

731
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 4: Almost also why they were in it.

732
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: He does both.

733
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, yeah, a rookie you play guy tea,

734
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 5: Yeah right.

735
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 4: Rashad Bateman like kind of been a bust of a

736
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: first round pick.

737
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 5: Sure.

738
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 4: Nelson Agalore is their other receire right now, Tess Walker.

739
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 4: They drafted, you know, from North Carolina on a Drake

740
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 4: Mays guys. But other than Mark Andrews, they really haven't

741
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 4: had a ton of wide receivers.

742
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 5: They had enough last year, and I just think that

743
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 5: they fell short because they don't have I don't think

744
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 5: they're sophisticated enough in what they want to do. I

745
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 5: think they still reliant and to me, the Henry move

746
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 5: signals that that's what they want to keep doing. Because

747
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 5: Henry is a high volume guy. If you want to

748
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 5: get the best production out of him, you've got to

749
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 5: give him the ball a lot. He's gonna wear that

750
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 5: wear you down, and eventually he's going to break one.

751
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 5: That's sort of Derek Henry's amo.

752
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, they hope that Todd Monkin was going to make

753
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: this more of like a pro style passing game.

754
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 5: Remember they talked about hurry up and yeah, just using

755
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 5: tempo a lot, doing more happened.

756
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 4: Progression reads and like actual pro style football. Whereas you

757
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 4: know before with Lamar, with the guy who's bank, Greg Roman,

758
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 4: thank you, it was like a college offense.

759
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 5: You know, I got a boy from Evan that that.

760
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 4: Was a read option, you know, spread college style offense.

761
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 4: So Todd Mankin was supposed to come in and take

762
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 4: it to that next level with for Lamar, I mean

763
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 4: he wanted to be the league. Like we're talking about

764
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 4: it like that's.

765
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Speaker 3: It was really good.

766
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like they're so good that they can play. I

767
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 5: just I would worry, like in a big and it

768
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 5: might only be once, like they could go, you know whatever,

769
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 5: thirteen and four easily that they're that good and it

770
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 5: might not really come up in the regular season. But

771
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 5: at some point, I feel like you need to find

772
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 5: a different way to win. It's not like, you know,

773
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 5: not all teams can be like the Celtics and just

774
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 5: roll every round and never have to like find a

775
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 5: different way. That's it's a hard thing to do.

776
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: In the NFL Friday Night Friday, the Packers and the

777
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: Eagles again in Brazil.

778
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 4: It's actually a great game too.

779
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a good matchup. I don't know if what what.

780
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: What station or streaming service is that on Friday Night?

781
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, do we know?

782
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: Is that an NBC game or is that Amazon?

783
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 5: It's on the Peak, it's a streaming, it's a streaming.

784
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 5: It's on the Peacock, on the Peacock on the on

785
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 5: the you know, okay on the so I don't know

786
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 5: if I'll be watching good matchup in I got opening

787
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 5: night for for Fenwick that night.

788
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 6: Anyway, how'd you feel about some of the players saying

789
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 6: they're not going to leave their hotel rooms.

790
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 5: Darius Slay's interview was hilarious. They were told not to

791
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 5: leave their hotels. He didn't say I'm not leaving my hotel.

792
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 5: He said, we were told not to leave our hotel.

793
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 5: I'm out, Fred, we go to Brazil, not aull out.

794
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 3: Well see the same guy.

795
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: When it was first announced that, you know, there was

796
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: this thing about wearing certain colors down there.

797
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 6: Definitely like walking with your phone is a big no

798
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 6: no because they just run by and grab it.

799
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 5: But I don't know that's I vaguely remember something about

800
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 5: the colors.

801
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: I didn't know if it was Darius Slay that came

802
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: out and said, you know.

803
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 5: They said something about the Packers and the Eagles weren't

804
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 5: a lot like those were like cut, like the uniforms.

805
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 5: They were gonna have to wear different uniforms or something.

806
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 5: I don't know, but I think that turned out to

807
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 5: be yeah.

808
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 4: Right right, I'm looking forward to Jordan love, Yeah, because

809
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 4: you know you've made this point before. They had they

810
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 4: hand them in this giant contract really off of like

811
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 4: one season of production. And I think he's great.

812
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 5: It's the Packer way, though, f I think he's great,

813
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 5: don't get me wrong. Just let him sit for twelve

814
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 5: years and then you know he's great, Right.

815
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 4: I hold these quarterbacks, though, I kind of need to.

816
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 2: Just let him sit behind a future Hall of Fame, Right,

817
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: he'll be great.

818
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

819
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 6: I haven't really been following. I did see though it

820
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 6: seems like maybe Watson might have been banged up again

821
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 6: or they're talking about him. But I still go back

822
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 6: to that training cameraon a couple of years ago where

823
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 6: he was just such a good piece of that puzzle

824
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 6: and him getting banged up and being inconsistent and.

825
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 5: Mike did he play the X?

826
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 6: I think it was one, two, three X y Z.

827
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 4: They also have He's a number one X. They really

828
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 4: like Wicks in Green Bay, Dobbs your boy reading last

829
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 4: year Yeah, yeah, and they got the two young tight

830
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 4: ends too.

831
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 6: They got at the year two yep.

832
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, eight five to five pats five hundred.

833
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: Let's get to our listeners. See what's on people's mind.

834
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: We'll start with Tim in Pensacola.

835
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 3: What's up? Tim?

836
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 11: Hey, Fred, how's it going?

837
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 3: Really quick?

838
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 11: Set good, really quick set up, and then I'll question

839
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 11: I will take off the air. So I'm actually excited

840
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 11: about Alex van Pelt. I know he probably wasn't even

841
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 11: the patriots first choice, but he has a history of

842
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 11: working with quarterbacks. I think he'll he knows what you

843
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 11: need to play quarterback and I'm sure he'll be able

844
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 11: to wing up may in there. My question is more

845
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 11: about long term, and I'd love to hear each of

846
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 11: your thoughts on it. So, Alex van Pelt, he believed

847
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 11: strongly in running the football. I think in times where

848
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 11: he was play callers in the past, his teams ran

849
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 11: the balls of most I think you were passes. And

850
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 11: the question is if Drake may keeps progressing and the

851
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 11: fact that this teams to tell bet on eventually getting

852
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 11: a number one receiver, which I'm sure will eventually land

853
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 11: on long term, do you think that if Drake may

854
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 11: develops into an elite quarterback and we have superstar weapon

855
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 11: out there on the outside and Van Pelt, do you

856
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 11: think he'll just want to keep pounding the rocks and

857
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 11: do you think that will cost tension and maybe for

858
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 11: them to look to a coordinator that's more, you know,

859
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 11: more leaning towards the passing game, or do you think

860
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 11: that Van Pelt, like he said.

861
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,959
Speaker 2: Would just adapt to become the war I get it, ye, yep,

862
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: I got it.

863
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: Thanks for the call to listen.

864
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: If Drake May has the you know, indication that he's

865
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: trending toward becoming an elite quarterback, and whoever the oc

866
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: is doesn't adapt to the quarterback, then see you later.

867
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know what are we talking about.

868
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 4: Well, we were just talking about it with Lamar and

869
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 4: it feels similar to me with Alex van Pelt, that

870
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 4: there is a world where Drake May outgrows Alex van Pelt.

871
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 4: And like right now, I think Alex van Pelts is

872
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 4: a good guy for the job because of what the

873
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 4: caller said. He's experience with quarterbacks and he can fundamentally

874
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 4: build Drake May up to a good spot. At some point,

875
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,479
Speaker 4: You're gonna want the khaki pant guy, right, You're gonna

876
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 4: want Ben Johnson, You're gonna want you know, the guy

877
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 4: in Houston. I'm banking on names today. You're gonna watch

878
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 4: those types of slower. Yeah, Bobby Slope, you're gonna wat

879
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 4: these these guys that are drawing it up in the

880
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 4: lab and all that kind of stuff. Once you get

881
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 4: to that version of Drake May right now, he kind

882
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 4: of needs the veteran offensive coordinator to bring him along

883
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 4: slowly and all that kind of stuff. Once we get

884
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 4: to the point where the callers at, well, I'm not

885
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 4: ruling out somebody, so let's yeah, let's play.

886
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 5: Let's play Tim's let's Tim's game though, So this year,

887
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 5: I mean next year, you know, let's just say that

888
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 5: May is the quarterback all of twenty five and by

889
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 5: the end of twenty five we got we got something here,

890
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 5: we got the guy. So heading into twenty six, well,

891
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 5: will Alex van Pell say we can't do it the

892
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 5: way we have the last two years, we have to

893
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 5: do it differently, or will he be intent on.

894
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 2: Well, part of also tim scenario is you land the

895
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: number one receiver, you land that elite guy.

896
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 5: But I see I'm even putting that secondary. Yeah, I'm

897
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 5: saying what we saw in the Philadelphia game was a

898
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 5: departure from the quote unquote base offense. It was much

899
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 5: more shotgun. It wasn't that many plays. I don't I

900
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 5: don't want to get too lost with it. But they

901
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 5: talked to us afterwards. If you were in the post game,

902
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 5: was when they were talking about North Carolina stuff, you

903
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 5: know a little bit different than what Alex Van Peltz

904
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 5: has been installing. Will he be willing to do that

905
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 5: or will he insist on doing what he did to

906
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 5: Jashn Watson and you know, sort of having him under

907
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 5: center and having him hand off to Nick Chubb. And

908
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 5: that's why he's not in Cleveland anymore. Right, So I

909
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 5: don't know, I don't know the answer. I'm just asking.

910
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 5: I'm asking Tim's question.

911
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not so much worried about him being too

912
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 4: stubborn to do it. I just don't know if he's

913
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 4: the play designer that's going to have the chops to

914
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 4: design the passing game in a modern way, in the

915
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 4: way that you know Kansas City's passing game is designed,

916
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 4: or something like that, where you're really going to get

917
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 4: the maximum out of Drake May if he is an

918
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 4: elite passer. But I'm I'm coming around on alexman pelf

919
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 4: for today. I just don't know if he's going to

920
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 4: be the guy in three years from now that's going

921
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 4: to be, which is fine.

922
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 3: If he doesn't, hopefully it's something we have to worry about.

923
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, but if he does his job now and he

924
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 5: is let's let's just say that evans right, and he

925
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 5: doesn't really have the creative mind to adapt, that's okay,

926
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 5: as long as he does his job now. And I

927
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 5: am kind of coming around to he was a good

928
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 5: pick to nurture a young quarterback. I've reserved the right

929
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 5: to change my mind on that around the middle of October,

930
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 5: the end of October, if Jacoby Brissett still planned, that

931
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 5: would tell me that he is sort of wants to

932
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 5: stick with what he's coming.

933
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 2: I mean, this goes back to what we talked about.

934
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: We have no idea what this offense is.

935
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 5: Going to look. Yeah, I'm not necessarily concerned about the

936
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 5: offense as much as I am Drake May. And when

937
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 5: Drake May is ready to play, is they going to

938
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 5: be pushed back? No? No, no, no, no, he's not quite

939
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 5: ready yet.

940
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 6: It's just a hard position because if he develops Drake

941
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 6: May into an elite quarterback and then you're gonna say, well,

942
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 6: good job, but you're not going to get us over

943
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 6: the next level, so you're out a hard decision. I mean,

944
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 6: I wonder about they got a big staff. I wonder

945
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 6: if someone like TC McCartney, who young guy, you know,

946
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 6: like maybe like there might be more percolating.

947
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 4: That's the biggest question I have with this entire coaching

948
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 4: staff on offense, is their play designing ability. Sure they're

949
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 4: like that this they don't have a Sean McVay, a

950
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 4: Kyle Shanahan, a Bobby Slowick Ben Johnson, like that's not

951
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 4: who they hired, which is fine, But when you get

952
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 4: into the games, now you're gonna be going up against

953
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 4: Big Lou and McDonald and you know, Salah and all

954
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 4: these great defense of minds, Like are they going to

955
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 4: be able to outfox defensive coordinators schematically or are they

956
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 4: gonna this is what we do. We're gonna go under

957
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 4: center and we're gonna hand it off forty times and

958
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 4: like that's just not going to win very many games.

959
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 4: I don't think for the way that they're constructed.

960
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 6: I just I don't.

961
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 5: I don't.

962
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 6: I don't feel like I know for sure what Alex

963
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 6: van Pelt is. I mean, this is you know, when

964
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 6: has he really done this before?

965
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 5: You know, I mean, I mean, just that's why I'm

966
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 5: just going off of what it keeps telling me.

967
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 6: And so you look at the evolutions of the Patriots

968
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 6: offense over the years of you know, under Josh McDaniels,

969
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 6: of the you know, the twists and turns that they make.

970
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 6: I mean, I just I don't think you can stick

971
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 6: in this league as an offensive coordinator if you're not

972
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 6: willing to adapt to not only your personnel, but to

973
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 6: the trends of the league and what's being effective. And

974
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 6: you know, I think sometimes you overthink it a little

975
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 6: bit and you're trying to be too smart, get too cute,

976
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 6: try to you know, oh, everybody's getting really small, we're

977
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 6: gonna get really big. And you know, now we're slow

978
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 6: and we're not fast, so you know what kind of

979
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 6: backfires on you. But I just I don't know that

980
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 6: they don't have a tight pants guy on them, Like

981
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 6: I don't know that TC McCartney isn't you know. We

982
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 6: love this kid. This kid's a brilliant mind. And you know,

983
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 6: like so yeah, and I don't and I don't think that,

984
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 6: you know, I mean, every time Alex Van Pelt has

985
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 6: been running an offense, he's been kind of under somebody's thumb, right, Like,

986
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,959
Speaker 6: so are we so sure that it was always Alex

987
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 6: van Pelt, who's the conservative one who's saying we have

988
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 6: to do it this way.

989
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 4: I don't know.

990
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 6: I'm not saying it is or it isn't. But I

991
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 6: just think this is the first time that he's had

992
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 6: a chance. And if he's developed Drake May a little bit,

993
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 6: we've seen some progress already, then it's a positive step forward,

994
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 6: you know, so we'll see. I just would hope that

995
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 6: everybody would be aware though, that you have to evolve.

996
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 6: You have to, you know, think of different ways. You

997
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 6: can't stay the same. I mean, the Patriots in two

998
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 6: thousand and four you mentioned Corey Dillon brought in Corey Dillon.

999
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 6: You got you got a burgeoning best quarterback of all

1000
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 6: time on the roster, and your crown piece was to

1001
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 6: bring in a running back to kind of support itself.

1002
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: And I think by that time, where Drake May is

1003
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 2: the guy, I think he should be part of that

1004
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: process in developing the office.

1005
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 6: What's his talents and how can you know how.

1006
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 2: He should be in the room when you're drawing up

1007
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: these plays, so you know he has a stake in it,

1008
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: and it's coming out of his head as much as

1009
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: it is the offensive coordinators.

1010
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 6: I mean, I just think in a buffalo a little

1011
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 6: bit with you know, he obviously came up under dable

1012
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 6: and things were successful, and then they went to what's

1013
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 6: this Ken Dorsey and it wasn't they got to get

1014
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 6: rid of him, you know.

1015
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 5: So it's it's it's hard. It's really hard.

1016
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 6: Especially it's almost harder in success because if he stinks,

1017
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 6: then you know, the offensive coordinator stinks and you fire him.

1018
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 6: But if he's good but he's not quite good, or

1019
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 6: the offense isn't quite you know, one of these elite

1020
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 6: operations that's you know, taking any defense out to the woodshed,

1021
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 6: then you know, it's just a harder decision to make. Like,

1022
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 6: good job developing, developing a ma Alex, but we're gonna

1023
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 6: you know, move on and you know, change boatsmid streams,

1024
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 6: so to speak, to try to you know, get to

1025
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 6: that elite level.

1026
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 5: It's it's hard.

1027
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 4: They have no there's no data in him as a

1028
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 4: play caller either like that that I kind of know

1029
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 4: conceptually what how they're going to scheme and how they're

1030
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 4: going to run the offense based off of camp in

1031
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 4: the preseason. But we have no idea how he's going

1032
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 4: to play call plays. And the big thing to me,

1033
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 4: you know, we were talking about running the ball forty

1034
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 4: times and stuff like that, Like I don't want them

1035
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 4: running the ball on first and second down as much

1036
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 4: as I think they might, because like, if I'm with you,

1037
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 4: I would much rather them throw to run right, like

1038
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 4: throw to get the lead and then run the ball

1039
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 4: late in the game.

1040
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: High percentage passes. But you know you do that instead

1041
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 2: of running on first Yeah.

1042
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 5: And I think that this, and it happens all the time.

1043
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 5: There's a misconception that when you rack up those rushing attempts, well,

1044
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 5: that's you know, how they win. They ran it down

1045
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 5: their throat, and that very rarely is how they won.

1046
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 5: Usually it's we got a three score lead, and we

1047
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 5: ran the ball twenty of the last twenty three plays

1048
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 5: of the game, and we ended up with forty carries.

1049
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. That's generally how those big

1050
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 5: attempt numbers get. You know, they come would you say

1051
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 5: thirty two to thirteen?

1052
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that was and there, yeah, and they run there.

1053
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 5: Must have played pretty well in that game and had

1054
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 5: an abnormally productive game, you know, through the passing, and

1055
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 5: then they just pounded away and salted the game away

1056
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 5: in the second hand they got the lead. And I

1057
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 5: don't know what the parameters of the game. This is

1058
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 5: not exactly wait no, it's exactly one of my psychotic

1059
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 5: Oh I remember that game, this is what happened things.

1060
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 5: I don't have any recollection of the game at all.

1061
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 5: Off exactly what that would be. My guess the lead

1062
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 5: because you just it's so rare in this day and

1063
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 5: age to just well, we're just gonna come out and

1064
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 5: we're gonna have the Ghost of Stephen Jackson game and

1065
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 5: just run the ball in the first fifteen plays of

1066
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 5: the game and we're gonna win by three touchdowns. You

1067
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 5: don't do that in the NFL. You don't do what

1068
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 5: BC did to Florida State last night in the NFL area.

1069
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 6: And there it is.

1070
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: By the way, can we get a close up of

1071
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: Deuce's socks?

1072
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 5: Do you have like nine pair of that?

1073
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1074
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 5: I got different Patriot socks.

1075
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 6: I wear a little something, you know.

1076
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 3: Is that just or it's just a week long thing.

1077
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 6: You got to know it just days weren't there they

1078
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 6: go yeah, slow zoom on those Reboks too, pretty good. Yeah,

1079
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 6: I got two pairs down in the owners meetings, so

1080
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 6: you know, fire them.

1081
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 5: Up week Ons and Patriots they gave you they were free.

1082
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, they every team.

1083
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 6: They did, they did, and they're like, what team do

1084
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 6: you want?

1085
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 5: Well, guy, I got to pick the Patriot. Yeah, obviously you.

1086
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 3: Can't be here. Where are the Chiefs?

1087
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 5: No?

1088
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 3: Red Sox?

1089
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: Jeff and Virginia writes in listen to every show this

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Speaker 2: offseason and loved it, really excited for the next four

1091
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 2: to five years. The entire offseason, we've been told how

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00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 2: bad the Patriots old line is. I listened to a

1093
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: ton of other podcasts slash local reporters, and it seems

1094
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 2: that twenty to twenty five teams are in the same

1095
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: or similar position regarding offensive line. This is probably a

1096
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 2: question for Evan, but how many teams do you think

1097
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: actually have great offensive lines? Let's define great as four

1098
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: players who are above average. It really seems that seventy

1099
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 2: percent of the league has a bad offensive line, especially

1100
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: a tackle. But would rather hear from Evan to fact

1101
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: check that center starts?

1102
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 5: Can I just like so just the qualifier because I'm

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00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 5: actually curious to see what your answer to this is,

1104
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 5: you need four guys that are above average. No, that's

1105
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 5: what he said to have a great.

1106
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: Offense, great offensive line.

1107
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 5: Okay, So I don't think really there's going to be

1108
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 5: too many that qualify. But I think there are teams

1109
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 5: that have that I would say have great offensive lines,

1110
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 5: But I don't know if they have four above average players. Yeah,

1111
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 5: Kansas City has a great offensive line. I don't think

1112
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 5: they have four guys.

1113
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I just three. I just wouldn't look

1114
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 4: at it that way because to me, it's one unit.

1115
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 4: Like it's five guys playing together. So like, no matter

1116
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 4: what your individual talent is on the offensive line, if

1117
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 4: you aren't seeing it through the same set of eyes,

1118
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 4: and you could, you could be terrible with Hall of

1119
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 4: famers everywhere in that particular position. So, which teams have

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Speaker 4: like the elite Tier one offensive lines? Just like, off

1121
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 4: the top of my head, Detroit number one in the

1122
00:49:55,320 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 4: league to me, Philadelphia like right there with Detroit, Kansas

1123
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 4: City right up there in that category. I would probably

1124
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 4: cut it off around there was.

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Speaker 5: In my mind, I'm done, yeah, in terms of.

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00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 4: Tier one, like the elite offensive lines, and I think

1127
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 4: Kansas City might be more like one be you know,

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00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 4: Philly and Detroit.

1129
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Speaker 2: To me, does every one of those teams have a

1130
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 2: notable offensive line coach?

1131
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 4: Well, Statlin in Philly is like Dante Scarnekia level. He's fantastic. Detroit,

1132
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's not like a notable offensive line coach.

1133
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 4: But Ben Johnson's obviously their coordinator and he's very good.

1134
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 4: And they have Penny Sewell, who might be the best

1135
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 4: offensive lineman in the entire NFL. So yeah, you have

1136
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 4: you know, talent, and you have coaching with those two

1137
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 4: teams just fantastic groups, Like across the board.

1138
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 3: Really, I think that coaching.

1139
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 2: Is, yes, is probably, if not the most important, really

1140
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: critical in getting a cohesive offensive line because it really

1141
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 2: is a ballet that they're doing there. There has to

1142
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 2: be communication and coordination on that line, especially with them

1143
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: again going back to how sophisticated these defenses. They give

1144
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: a lot of different looks to the quarterback, but they're

1145
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: also giving a lot of different looks to any individual

1146
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 2: offensive lineman.

1147
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 5: I'm concerned about it too.

1148
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, coaching is critical on the offensive line.

1149
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it comes back to like the Van Pelt, Sorry

1150
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 4: they cut you off. It goes back to the Van

1151
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 4: Pelt thing for me, where it's I think Scott Peters

1152
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 4: is a really good technique coach, Like we hear him

1153
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 4: out there at practice and he's breaking down like your

1154
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 4: hand was a centimeter off, like you were here and

1155
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 4: we need you to be there, Like he understands that

1156
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. But the big picture, like the concept

1157
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 4: is like the bigger question with that, like are you

1158
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 4: all on the same page? Are you all all five

1159
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 4: guys like flowing together and all that kind of stuff.

1160
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 4: As good as as Dante was at the individual technique,

1161
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 4: I might have been even better at the big picture.

1162
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 2: I would say two years ago, maybe it was as

1163
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 2: much a problem as last year. But I really noticed

1164
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 2: it two years ago where you'd have guys just not

1165
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: covering anybody. That's not because they don't they can't block.

1166
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: It's because the communication is terrible and and they're left

1167
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:22,479
Speaker 2: on without anybody to block, because they're whoever is doing

1168
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: it isn't making the right reads to start to play,

1169
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 2: and they're not all on the same page. You know,

1170
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 2: most of these guys in the NFL offensive lineman can block.

1171
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: You know, they wouldn't be in the NFL if they

1172
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 2: you know, just got manhandled on every play. But the

1173
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: failings of most offensive lines is just that they they

1174
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: just don't play well together and they're just not on

1175
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 2: the same page. And yeah, every once in a while

1176
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: you get beat no, no, obviously, but when it happens

1177
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: week in and week out, you can look at, you know,

1178
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: a lack of communication and coaching as a main culprit.

1179
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 6: Like even when Dante was here, when I was, before

1180
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 6: I even worked here, Like one of the things that

1181
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 6: I just kind of came to believe was that the

1182
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 6: offensive line is going to take some time, even when

1183
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 6: you have a Hall of Fame offensive line coach and

1184
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 6: you know, some really good players along that it's just

1185
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 6: it always was going to take some time. I remember, God,

1186
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 6: there was like a game in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen

1187
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 6: around here where they liked they just couldn't block anybody.

1188
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 3: Game.

1189
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 5: It was fourteen. It was the on the Cincinnati game,

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00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 5: the game before it in Kansas City. You know, say

1191
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 5: the name again.

1192
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 4: Jordan dev H the two the most surprising week ones

1193
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 4: that was.

1194
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 5: That was one of the worst performances by an offensive

1195
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 5: line in the Brady era that I can remember, right

1196
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 5: and that's was you know, like, is Brady too old

1197
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 5: to avoid this pressure anymore? This is the kind of

1198
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 5: protection he's going to have, and as just normally the case,

1199
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 5: Brady figured it out. Yeah that was that was That

1200
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 5: was good? Right?

1201
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 4: That wasn't Dante Scarnekia that year?

1202
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 12: Right?

1203
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 5: It was not.

1204
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 6: But I think there was one that the one I

1205
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 6: might have been Ryan Stork ended up being parted to.

1206
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 6: Uh they lose to the Cardinals, I think in like

1207
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 6: twenty twelve, like first couple of weeks of the season. Yeah,

1208
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 6: same kind of.

1209
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 5: The game.

1210
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 6: Uh, you know, it's it just speaks to the nature

1211
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 6: of the line though, where Dante who's special and this

1212
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 6: is not this is the exception of the rule. But

1213
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 6: you know, you are able to put together a functional

1214
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 6: offensive line with really good coaching, even if these guys

1215
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 6: aren't super talented. I mean, and like Joe Toney and

1216
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 6: Jack Mason are arguably still two of the best guards

1217
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 6: in the NFL right now. And you know, there was

1218
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 6: a third round pick and what was Mason's four fourth

1219
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 6: round pick, So you don't.

1220
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 4: Get to the combine.

1221
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 5: That's where you get your guards. And they did a

1222
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 5: great job of identifying the talent out of the draft

1223
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 5: and then they developed them because they were really good player.

1224
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 5: It's not like they blossomed elsewhere. They were really good

1225
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 5: players here and they recognized that and paid them both

1226
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 5: and then decide to let them go.

1227
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 4: Tony might be a Hall of Famer, like a like

1228
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 4: a Pro football Hall of Famer, Like he's got rings,

1229
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 4: he's going to be Like all right.

1230
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: I was talking with a person at the Patriots about,

1231
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: you know, the failings of the offensive line over the

1232
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 2: last few years, and I said it began with Joe

1233
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: Toney and this person agreed.

1234
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 3: They said they should have paid him.

1235
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Speaker 5: How are you not sick about it?

1236
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 6: Like you drafted a potential Hall of Fame guard and

1237
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 6: what you Why why.

1238
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 5: Is he not fourth on it? Because I do think,

1239
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't care. I would spread the money

1240
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 5: like that's fine with me, but they do, you know,

1241
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 5: like the percentage of the cap can't go to one guy.

1242
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 5: So like I understood what they were doing for me.

1243
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 5: I just look at like San Francisco right now and

1244
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 5: suddenly figuring out how to get these mammoth contracts for

1245
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 5: Ayuk and Trent Williams done On the eve of the season. Oh,

1246
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 5: it's really remarkable, you know, Deshaun Watson. They convert money

1247
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 5: to a signing bonus and create thirty five million of

1248
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 5: cap space in Cleveland. Like to me, it's there are

1249
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 5: things that you might not want to do because sometimes

1250
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 5: it's hard to cough up the money at the time.

1251
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 5: But the cap isn't the reason why no. And I

1252
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 5: agree with you, Fred if you just said instead of

1253
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 5: instead of franchising Tony and just gave him the contract,

1254
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 5: much like they did with Shaq Mason. They gave Shaq

1255
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 5: Mason a big time extension and then not only they

1256
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 5: let Tony walk after he was franchised, then they deal

1257
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 5: Mason in the middle of that that extension, which I

1258
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 5: didn't really understand. Like you had two guys, like I

1259
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 5: just said that you drafted developed and they hit right

1260
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 5: on the prime of their careers. You said, well, we

1261
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 5: don't need either one of these guys.

1262
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 4: Let's also not forget about Ted Carris too, who was

1263
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 4: also right in that mix.

1264
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 3: Solar was even more.

1265
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 5: Player, even more inexcusable because that was peanuts and the

1266
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 5: other two at least were high priced commodities.

1267
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 4: So they offered Ted Carris a contract and then offered

1268
00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 4: him a lower contract after the team offered him more money,

1269
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 4: offered him more money to walk and it just not

1270
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 4: how you do negotiations. Yeah, none of it.

1271
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 5: When does that ever work?

1272
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 4: He's not Joe Toney Like, he's not on that level,

1273
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 4: but he's one of those into your offensive linemen either

1274
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 4: at center or guard where you put him in the

1275
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 4: starting lineup and you don't worry about that position.

1276
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 2: I mean, they had a guy like Logan Mankins was

1277
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 2: great Patriots Hall of Famer, very similar guards his position,

1278
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 2: but he can play tackle if he has to.

1279
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 3: You know that. He was so versatile Toney.

1280
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 5: I just I think that was the beginning of the

1281
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 5: end for the offensive.

1282
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 6: You could write a whole essay about the decline of

1283
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 6: the Patriots dynasty just through the lens of guards, like

1284
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 6: like between letting Tuney and Mason go and paying them

1285
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 6: the Joe Ton drafting cold strange. I mean, it sounds stupid,

1286
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 6: but like it's really breaking.

1287
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 3: They've been chasing theiric.

1288
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 4: And and then the coaching turnover to like Carbaruselo had

1289
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 4: them playing okay in twenty one and he leaves with

1290
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 4: Josh to Vegas, and then that opens up a hole there.

1291
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: And then if you're gonna lose Dante's and Tom Brady,

1292
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 2: your talent better be better.

1293
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, along the.

1294
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 4: Line, like I thought, carn Basillo is a good offensive

1295
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 4: line coach for them, and then he left to Vegas

1296
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 4: with Josh and they replaced him with Matt Patricia and

1297
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 4: then they drafted guard in the first round and hand

1298
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 4: him to Matt Patricia to.

1299
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 3: Develop that Patricia.

1300
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to defend Matt, but I'm

1301
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 2: going to You didn't have the time.

1302
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 3: You had too much on his plate.

1303
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 4: He also didn't know what he was He basically.

1304
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: Handed over the coaching of the offensive line over to

1305
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 2: David Andrews. You know, like it wasn't fair to anybody.

1306
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a mess.

1307
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 5: No, they didn't have a they didn't have enough coaches.

1308
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 5: They lost a lot of valuable coaches earlier than they

1309
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 5: had lost them in previous years. You know, like they

1310
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 5: were only around for a couple of years and coming

1311
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 5: into their own and then they were those guys were

1312
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 5: leaving and they were really caught bear on their coaching staff.

1313
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 6: Just to bring it and bring it back home. It's

1314
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 6: I mean, we've seen a lot of issues with the

1315
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 6: offensive line. It's just my hope is that And I'm

1316
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 6: not going to judge him off a Sunday or next Sunday,

1317
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 6: but like we need to start to see things settle

1318
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 6: down a little bit at least with some of these pieces,

1319
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 6: you know.

1320
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 5: And that's the concern now is if does you know

1321
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 5: so it is not so and low probably not going

1322
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 5: to play as we.

1323
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 4: Say, yeah, we'll see tomorrow, you know.

1324
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 5: I know that Gerard told us, you know which, we

1325
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 5: have to look forward to Fridays.

1326
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: Now.

1327
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 5: I guess we're going to find out who's playing and

1328
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 5: who's not.

1329
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 4: I'm not sure I feel about that.

1330
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't have any issue with it, you know,

1331
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 5: within reason, but I think those two guys are probably

1332
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 5: going to be hard pressed to play. So now, just

1333
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 5: to like come full circle, we're talking about how great

1334
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 5: it was when you had Joe Tuney and Jack Mason.

1335
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 5: So Evan's telling you, what was that practice yesterday? And

1336
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 5: it was like a rotation between Nick Leverett and Michael Jordan,

1337
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 5: one of those guys on the practice squad, right, Michael

1338
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 5: George Jordan's on the practice squad. So that's like, and

1339
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 5: I'm not saying like Listen, he's a five year guy.

1340
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 5: It's not like he's some kid undrafted. It was just

1341
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 5: making this way in the league. But this is where

1342
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 5: you are on opening day. I know you're you're probably

1343
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 5: going to have a practice squad elevation play yeah, in

1344
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:00,479
Speaker 5: the game.

1345
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you have jukes that left tackle, which is

1346
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 4: I can't even get lined up right in a preseason game.

1347
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 3: So that a whole difference.

1348
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 5: And now I do with you a point, Fred that

1349
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 5: you made at the beginning of this offensive line stuff

1350
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 5: that generally the worst offensive lines, it's not about like

1351
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 5: I'm lining up against you and I just can't get

1352
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 5: in your way enough. I have no quarterback even times

1353
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 5: it's the communication problems. It's not reading it the right way,

1354
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 5: you know, like Evan says, you see it through the

1355
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 5: same set of eyes. David Andrews has a lot in

1356
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 5: his plate. I do think it'll be better when he's

1357
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 5: in there than it was when Nick Leverett was in there,

1358
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 5: because I think Andrews has much more experience, you know,

1359
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 5: doing doing these sorts of things. But I do worry

1360
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 5: about the breakdowns, like the mental breakdowns that we've seen

1361
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 5: throughout the summer, and I'm sorry. Part of that is coaching.

1362
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 6: I just thought of another part of my through the

1363
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 6: guard lines. It's the Michael and Wynu and then you

1364
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 6: finally get a guard, but because you're so strapped in

1365
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 6: everywhere else that you have to move him out to tackle.

1366
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 5: Like you know, I don't know, it's all pro.

1367
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 3: That's all I figured. By now they have it figured out.

1368
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 4: But that preseason finale, just to go back to the

1369
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 4: lining up, and that was one of the worst coached

1370
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 4: offensive line performances I think I've ever seen. Like guys

1371
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 4: weren't even lining up correctly.

1372
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 3: It's almost like.

1373
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 2: They were being stubborn, right, I don't care what you're

1374
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 2: gonna go.

1375
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 3: I'm okay.

1376
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 5: And they both I thought a quarter I think went

1377
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 5: on we got called for one, yeah, but I thought

1378
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 5: they both sounded defiance when they talked about it.

1379
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, And they I mean they get they have like

1380
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 4: three guys run into each other and the starting quarterback

1381
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 4: gets hurt on the you know, the first series, and

1382
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 4: he's already hurt. It's just all of that could have

1383
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 4: been a void.

1384
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 5: And you can make an argument for coaching on that

1385
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 5: play too. You know. I think Evan talked about this

1386
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 5: last week, just like the design of the play. What

1387
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 5: you're asking guys to do.

1388
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 3: Right Russell and Arkansas. Would you say that running back

1389
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:53,919
Speaker 3: is still an area of need?

1390
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 13: Is?

1391
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 3: So what route? Would you go?

1392
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 2: Sign a free agent or seek out a trade I've

1393
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 2: read some of those clickbait reports that Damian Pierce could

1394
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,919
Speaker 2: be on the rate on the trade block any interest there.

1395
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 2: Seems like mixing has locked up the starting role, and

1396
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 2: the Texans staff basically said that Pierce is going to

1397
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 2: be a special teams guy.

1398
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 4: I'm okay running back Remondro Stephens hurt and there.

1399
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 5: Will be interview elevate Kevin Harris off the practice squad.

1400
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 5: That's Damian Pierce.

1401
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 4: Terrell Jennings, Yeah, I think had a decent summer.

1402
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 5: Jennings, Yeah, I'm okay with that. I don't mind if

1403
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 5: they like have that. There's somebody on the street right

1404
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 5: now that they think fits what they want to do

1405
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 5: and they want to sign. That's fine. I don't have

1406
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 5: any interest in dealing even anything for uh, you know,

1407
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 5: a retread back. You know, Damian Pierce to me is

1408
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 5: not any different than what you have. I don't know

1409
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 5: how you guys feel. Yeah, Usually someone says I got

1410
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 5: to go, I gotta takelf just gets up, makes an

1411
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 5: awkward face at me in the middle of a sentence,

1412
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 5: and just walks off the sets. You got to go,

1413
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 5: And I have not even I haven't even remembered the

1414
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 5: last time I bought do with Fred. So you guys

1415
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 5: can't blame this one on.

1416
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 6: It's the chairs.

1417
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 4: You need to drive the plane, all right, We're entering

1418
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 4: our two here.

1419
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 5: You can't argue anymore.

1420
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 4: It's it's just not because we're also relaxed in these chairs.

1421
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 6: I know you can't.

1422
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 5: You need a table to burn extra sitting in this chair. Abially,

1423
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 5: it throws me off mentally.

1424
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 6: I think we worked at the Paul. We're going to

1425
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 6: get some tables here, maybe for Thursday shows.

1426
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 5: So you know we're efforting that. Mike, I appreciate you

1427
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 5: working on my behalf.

1428
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 6: We just we just jump right into uh since he

1429
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 6: though it felt like because this we you know, it's

1430
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 6: it's it's usually we save like there's no talk about.

1431
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 5: But we don't have any talk about the previous game

1432
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 5: like we usually Tuesday's usually therapy Tuesday, you know, or that's.

1433
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,479
Speaker 4: What it was all last year. Right out of the gate,

1434
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 4: everybody was like, oh, they did they played well against

1435
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 4: the Eagles, and I was like, no, they really kind

1436
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 4: of didn't.

1437
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was I remember, you got everybody mad at you.

1438
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got everybody mad at me.

1439
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 6: It's it's it's just fun standing on precipice because I

1440
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 6: know Jacoby said something like like last week, we're like, yeah,

1441
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 6: we're just excited to go on this journey. And you know,

1442
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 6: you realize that, like it is a journey. It's it's

1443
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 6: a trip. And it's like you have no idea all

1444
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 6: the twists and turns, the injuries, the close losses, the

1445
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 6: close win any of that stuff. Uh, until you go

1446
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 6: and experience it.

1447
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm gonna make a quick trip to the phone lines.

1448
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 5: We'll get Sam in North Carolina. Sam, you're next, Sam,

1449
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 5: sim they didn't lose a call.

1450
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 10: I'm excited for the season coming up. I'll be a

1451
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 10: lot more excited. Direct Flavors playing me too.

1452
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you.

1453
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, but you can't have it all. You know, I

1454
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 10: understand the process, even though I don't agree with it

1455
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 10: because I don't understand the function of the line. How

1456
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 10: we just drafted a right tackle, but you still won't

1457
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 10: kick win. You out to tackle. And I don't know

1458
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 10: about the coaching staff, you know, but like our guys

1459
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 10: just did, it's a journey. But I have a game.

1460
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 10: I want y'all to know. You take a blue chip player,

1461
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 10: and you take a yellow chip player, and you mix

1462
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 10: them together, you get a green chip player.

1463
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 6: Have a good Okay, I think that was a good

1464
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 6: I think that was a shot at somebody.

1465
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, who was talking about those yellow chips?

1466
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 2: I think we had a caller that had this game

1467
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 2: that he wanted and I got total confused in the

1468
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 2: middle of it.

1469
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 3: I think it was elder, right.

1470
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 4: I don't know what a yellow chip is. That doesn't

1471
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 4: I don't know. There's blue chip and red chips. That's it.

1472
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 5: There were a lot of color codes for the various level.

1473
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,919
Speaker 3: Well this potato chip, poker.

1474
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 2: Chip, blue chip, you get that right chip in.

1475
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 3: Douglas, my three sons, I gotcha, gotcha?

1476
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 12: Uh?

1477
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 2: Curtis from Saint Louis writes in wanted to say thanks

1478
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 2: for keeping our off season fun and full of great content.

1479
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 2: I'm always overly optimistic, so here's my hot take. May

1480
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 2: will start Week five against Miami. The Patriots will finish

1481
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 2: second in the division, ahead of Buffalo in New York

1482
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 2: and they will sneak into the wildcard round. Then next

1483
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 2: year we will continue to build around May in this

1484
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 2: offense and become a real super Bowl contender in twenty twenty.

1485
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 3: Five, let's go.

1486
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 2: I think that's really optimistic from Curtis and Saint Louis.

1487
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 5: Good job, Curtis. That's that's springing a lot of positivity.

1488
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 4: I don't think there's any chance that the Patriots finish

1489
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 4: ahead of Buffalo, like maybe one of the gets hurt

1490
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 4: and the Jets gets the Jets wall always Jets like

1491
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 4: they'll find a way to blow it in New York.

1492
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 6: But like the Bills, that's what I'm Pete Schrager picked,

1493
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 6: you know, not but top seed in the a f C.

1494
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 6: Peter Schrager on Good Morning Football this Morning picked the

1495
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 6: Jets to be the top seed in the AFC.

1496
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 5: An argument that that's the most talented roster in the

1497
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 5: a f C. They can make that argument.

1498
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 2: Last yeah, last year, even years to be last year

1499
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 2: with that meant quarterback, they won eight games, right, yeah.

1500
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 5: I think it was seven, but yeah, your point still.

1501
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 3: Take Yeah, I mean, and that was a mess at quarterback.

1502
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 5: It's a really good roster it is. I don't know

1503
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 5: how great the coaches, and I don't know how you

1504
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 5: can rely on a forty whatever coming off of forty

1505
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 5: one and Achilles.

1506
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 4: Well that's the big thing with the coaches that he's

1507
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 4: never really had rubber hit the road, like, we don't

1508
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 4: know what everybody's just don't know what's.

1509
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 3: Go I opened the floodgates in more ways than one.

1510
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 5: I have to tinkle too, but I'm waiting for a break.

1511
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 4: We don't know what solid is.

1512
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 2: Well, you know they take a break every ten minutes,

1513
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 2: so you can do that.

1514
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 3: We don't do that.

1515
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 4: I have a lot of bones to pick with Paul

1516
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 4: shows these days, but I'm going to keep it to myself.

1517
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 2: Let's say James Pettig grew the most interesting Patriots fan

1518
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 2: of the world. Rites in question for the nerds, who

1519
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 2: would that be?

1520
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess you guys can sit this one

1521
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:49,959
Speaker 4: out again.

1522
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 2: How much could Drake's mobility offset the old lines vulnerability

1523
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 2: if he's a legit threat to run, does the defense

1524
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 2: scheme differently or is Drake more of a scrambler than

1525
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 2: a legit runner in defenses will blitz anyway.

1526
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 5: He's more of a scrambler than a legit runner. But

1527
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 5: I like that line of thought, like, yep, does that

1528
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 5: back off the rush because you can't be as aggressive

1529
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 5: going after a guy who can move.

1530
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I tend to think so it can work both

1531
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 4: ways because if he's moving into pressure, then he can

1532
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 4: create pressure. Like this is the old thing with Russell Wilson.

1533
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 4: Like Russell Wilson over the years would hold the ball

1534
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 4: forever and he'd run around and do the rust magic

1535
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 4: and everybody be like, oh, look at how great this is.

1536
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 4: And there are other people that would say, well, he's

1537
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 4: running into pressure, right, So it's like, is it harder?

1538
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 4: A lot of offensive linemen would say it's harder to

1539
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 4: block for the Russell Wilson, Right, you don't know what

1540
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 4: it is, right, Whereas Tom Brady was always in the

1541
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:48,759
Speaker 4: same spot. Now, his improvisational skill and his mobility should

1542
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 4: help him get out of some things, you know, get

1543
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 4: you know, the little houdiniacs and things like that. So

1544
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 4: it goes both ways.

1545
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 2: Well, I know, from a morale thing, when you've got

1546
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 2: a team like third and ten and you everything's covered

1547
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 2: and then that quarterback takes off and runs.

1548
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 3: For the first down, it's a backbreaker. It does it

1549
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 3: kills you?

1550
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 12: It is?

1551
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 5: It is, And I will say I feel pretty comfortable

1552
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 5: in saying that if Drake May played the whole year,

1553
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 5: he would be sacked more than Perssett will be if

1554
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 5: he plays the whole year.

1555
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 2: Yep.

1556
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 5: I mean that's just kind of an age thing. But

1557
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 5: also if you look at a lot of the mobile quarterbacks,

1558
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 5: they get sacked a lot because they're running around always

1559
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 5: looking to make a play and sometimes they catch him

1560
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 5: behind the line of scrimmage. It just happens. Yeah, you know,

1561
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 5: I think Russell Wilson is a guy especially to Evans point,

1562
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 5: that's that falls into.

1563
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 2: This, especially early on in players careers at quarterback, because

1564
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 2: they don't realize how fast these defensive guys are.

1565
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,639
Speaker 3: They can outrun them all in college.

1566
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 2: So that was one Like with Williams, I'll be interested

1567
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 2: to see how many sacks he takes it.

1568
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 5: So we were watching, Yeah, he'll he'll get sacked a

1569
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 5: lot in Daniels will too.

1570
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 4: I mean he even got sacked a lot at USC.

1571
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, but when we were I think it was the

1572
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 5: first preseason game, the one that Joe Milton played played

1573
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 5: well in in the fourth quarter. He had to play

1574
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 5: in that game, I think it was one when he

1575
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,639
Speaker 5: sort of started running backwards and he was running around

1576
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 5: and he looked around, and Brian Hoyer was with me,

1577
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 5: and he goes that one wouldn't have worked out as

1578
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 5: well if Gdvian Clowney was playing who was on the

1579
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 5: Panthers that night, and right one of the thirty guys

1580
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 5: that wasn't dressed right, And he goes, that wouldn't have

1581
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 5: worked out as nearly as well. In other words, to

1582
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 5: your point, Freddy, the defensive ends run, you know, as

1583
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 5: well as those quarterbacks, you know, the athletic ones. I'm

1584
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 5: not talking about every one of them, but the athletic

1585
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 5: guys will run you down.

1586
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 2: Justin and new Hampshis says, I think I'm more excited

1587
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 2: about three shows a week than I'm watching Jakobe Brissett

1588
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:44,680
Speaker 2: throw the ball.

1589
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 6: Yay, okay, all right?

1590
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 4: This year to foods here so much about just like

1591
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 4: the how does everybody else look like? I know none

1592
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 4: of us are super excited about watching Jacoby Wessett, but

1593
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 4: some of their other younger players like are still going

1594
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 4: to play a lot even if Drake may is on

1595
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 4: the bench.

1596
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 5: And maybe the level of blotting would be if the

1597
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 5: Patriots came out and like put thirty four on.

1598
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 3: The board, well they better watch out.

1599
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 5: No, but I'm just saying, like, if that happens, it's

1600
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 5: gonna be Yeah, but it's going to be like an

1601
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 5: indictment of all of us and everybody else. That's position.

1602
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 3: I hope it happens.

1603
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 4: I'm not. I wouldn't.

1604
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 5: He'll get buddled.

1605
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 4: I'll have a rebuttal to that, because I've opened the

1606
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:29,759
Speaker 4: show without the Browns.

1607
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 3: You showed the path.

1608
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 4: The Browns have owned this defense in this team. So

1609
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 4: if they scored thirty I would just say, well he

1610
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,879
Speaker 4: knows this, you know Van Pelt really, but there's.

1611
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 5: A difference between like having you know, like they could

1612
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 5: win the game and not necessarily have a great offensive day. Yeah,

1613
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 5: but I'm talking about that, like they just came out

1614
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 5: and lit it up fire like that we didn't even

1615
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 5: see for five seconds, right, Like.

1616
01:11:58,160 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 4: Patriots might come off.

1617
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 3: I might take my shirt off in Cincinnati.

1618
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Speaker 3: Before I get started.

1643
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Speaker 14: We have our servicemen and women outside, you know, they

1644
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 14: have a lacrosse game. Just went out there and kind

1645
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 14: of just offer my appreciation for their sacrifice. I know

1646
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 14: a lot of times it's easy to say thank you

1647
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 14: for your service, but there's a lot of sacrifice that

1648
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 14: those guys give up for the safety of our country,

1649
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 14: and you know, it's noticeable when you go out there,

1650
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 14: so definitely wanted to make sure that was known, just

1651
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 14: kind of, you know, to move forward. Excited to get

1652
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 14: to this point in the season when now we're really

1653
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 14: game planning for a team. This is an exciting time

1654
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 14: for me personally, and I think for the players that

1655
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 14: are in that room before we get into I'm sure

1656
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 14: they'll questions about the quarterback and questions about Cincinnati. Hopefully

1657
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 14: more questions about Cincinnati. Just wanted to wrap up one

1658
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:10,679
Speaker 14: thing with our captains, so this morning we had a vote,

1659
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 14: and I do think it's very important that captains are

1660
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 14: not selected by the coaches, but selected by their peers.

1661
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 14: And the captains for this year's team, which this year

1662
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 14: they'll have their seas. I do think it's important to

1663
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 14: have the sea on the jerseys. That's one difference that

1664
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 14: I think is important. But Andrews, Bentley, Pepper's, Joe Cardona

1665
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 14: and Dietrich Wise, those are our captains for this year.

1666
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 14: And look, they embody everything that we preach about each

1667
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 14: and every day, not only on the football field, but

1668
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 14: also off the football field. And I'm very excited to

1669
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 14: have these guys and I know they're excited as well

1670
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 14: to lead this football team.

1671
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 6: One of the difference is wearing the scene.

1672
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 5: Why is that important to you?

1673
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, I was a captain seven out of

1674
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 14: eight years, which look, once again, whatever happens inside the building,

1675
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 14: that's always the most important thing. But I do think

1676
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 14: it's like a badge of honor. It's a badge of honor,

1677
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 14: and I think when guys do the right thing, they

1678
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 14: should be recognized for those things. And you know, it's

1679
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 14: something that's small, is just having the captain's patch. I

1680
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 14: think it's important for those guys.

1681
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 5: Jacobe not being voted a captain, do you think that?

1682
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 14: Oh sorry, sorry sorry, Ember said sorry the good cat. Hey,

1683
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 14: good catch, good catch. So just hit the lead on

1684
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:22,719
Speaker 14: those texts and all those tweets.

1685
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 10: Thank you.

1686
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 14: I appreciate you bringing that up. That was going to

1687
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 14: be a fire But hey, thank you, thank you. I

1688
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 14: definitely do appreciate that. I'm good on my opening statement.

1689
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 5: You guys, fire away opening up the season.

1690
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 4: How excited are you in the job ahead at Cincinnati?

1691
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 14: I'm very excited once again, you know, every day is

1692
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 14: a learning experience for me and excited to go through

1693
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 14: this week and really prepare, you know, with the guys

1694
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,719
Speaker 14: that are going to be out there on the field. Look, Cincinnati,

1695
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 14: they offer many challenges offensively and defensively that we're going

1696
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 14: to have to have answers for. And I think the

1697
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 14: guys are ready to go. Today is a bonus day

1698
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 14: for us. So just like I spoke about last week,

1699
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 14: we really were still focused those last two days of

1700
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 14: practice on getting any p better. What I will say

1701
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 14: is that's still the message going forward, while at the

1702
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 14: same time sprinkling in a few things here and there

1703
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 14: that Cincinnati offers. And what I would say is, look,

1704
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 14: they're a very versatile team. Obviously, they have a bunch

1705
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 14: of great players on that team, and we just got

1706
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 14: to be able to go out there and compete on

1707
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 14: each and every day.

1708
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 8: Just rewinding until last Thursday to showed us the courtesy

1709
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 8: to come.

1710
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 5: Out as you said you would thank.

1711
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 4: You for doing that.

1712
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 8: We didn't have as much time for follow up questions

1713
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 8: if you had meetings that day, But how did you

1714
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 8: come to the decision?

1715
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 14: So yeah, I mean we had our process of you know,

1716
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 14: talking to the coaches, the coordinators, you know, Elliot as well.

1717
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 14: That was part of the process. But what I would

1718
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,600
Speaker 14: say is, ultimately was my decision to put who I

1719
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,560
Speaker 14: thought gave us the who I think gives us the

1720
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:58,719
Speaker 14: best chance to win football games. And hopefully you guys

1721
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 14: got it last week. We're one hundred percent behind Jacoby.

1722
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 14: He can't think about what's in the rearview mirror. He

1723
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 14: has to be ready to drive this thing forward. And

1724
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 14: I made sure that he understood that he has the full,

1725
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 14: you know, full support of not only as teammates, but

1726
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 14: also the organization for him to go out there and

1727
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 14: perform at the level that we know he can.

1728
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 5: Which was the rever any consideration to starting drink May

1729
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 5: week Warder, as the plan always.

1730
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 6: Been to try to Eastwood Wonger.

1731
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 14: No, we always you know, we kept saying, look, competition, competition,

1732
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 14: and you know that is something that I truly believe it,

1733
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 14: and it was a real competition. It honestly came down

1734
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 14: you know, to you know, a few days where that

1735
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 14: separation started to happen. Now, the things that kind of

1736
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 14: went into that, you know, that pot as far as

1737
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 14: how we came out with this conclusion, I mean, there

1738
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 14: were many things that were waited differently, and once again,

1739
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 14: you know, I just feel like me personally as the

1740
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 14: head coach here, that Jacoby gives us our best chance.

1741
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 4: What do you take me to change between now and

1742
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 4: Drake's first start, whatever that is for.

1743
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 14: You to feel like it's time to play, you know,

1744
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 14: for me, you know, we talk about competition and training camp,

1745
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 14: but quite frankly, it's competition each and every week and

1746
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 14: we'll see how it goes. But once again, I don't

1747
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,759
Speaker 14: want Jacoby to feel like someone's nipping at his heels

1748
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 14: and he'll get the majority of the reps while at

1749
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 14: the same time continuing to develop Drake in other ways. Now,

1750
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 14: a lot of you guys, I guess the next question

1751
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 14: will be how do you do that? Uh, he will

1752
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 14: still participate, you know in some of the you know,

1753
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 14: the team drills for the upcoming team, but I also think, uh,

1754
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,679
Speaker 14: you know, the show team reps are very important. They've

1755
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 14: always been important, and even when I was a rookie,

1756
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 14: I also was a top ten pick. But even as

1757
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 14: a rookie, I was on those show teams, and I

1758
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 14: think that's another place where you can develop as long,

1759
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 14: I mean, as well as the other tools that we've

1760
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 14: talked about here over the summer.

1761
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 5: Misconception is it that he was brought into here, Jacoby

1762
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 5: to be kind of a placeholder or a mentor or

1763
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:47,560
Speaker 5: whatever it's supposed to.

1764
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 4: When he brings to the team as a starting.

1765
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 14: Quarter he is a mentor, and I would say which

1766
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 14: is reflected in the captain's voting. Thanks again, I think

1767
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 14: he's a mentor to the entire offensive side of the ball.

1768
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,719
Speaker 14: He's familiar, you know, he's familiar with the offense.

1769
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 5: Uh.

1770
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 14: And at the same time, you know, he knew he

1771
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 14: was in a competition and still remain steady, which is

1772
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 14: something you definitely appreciate from your quarterback position.

1773
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 8: The health of the offense and.

1774
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 5: The help with tens Jim out and play how.

1775
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 10: Would get very low doing they ever out their league

1776
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 10: last week to take the guard.

1777
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 14: Yeah, so coming out of training camp, you know, we

1778
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 14: had a we had a tough training camp and there

1779
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 14: are definitely things that that popped up. We'll see if

1780
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 14: if those guys are ready to play, But right now,

1781
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 14: we just had to move forward, and we talked about

1782
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 14: that next man up mentality, like we don't know if

1783
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 14: he'll be at the game or not. He may wake

1784
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 14: up tomorrow talking about low feeling great. I mean, I

1785
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 14: just don't know. But going back to what we've done

1786
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 14: the entire training camp as far as moving people around,

1787
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 14: you know, we were trying to find our best five

1788
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 14: while at the same time building depth through the guys

1789
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 14: that we have on the team. And so that's the

1790
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 14: difficult part of it. But as we continue through the week,

1791
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 14: and this is why I'm gonna meet with you guys

1792
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 14: on Friday, right Stacey, to talk a little bit more

1793
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,560
Speaker 14: like who's ready, who's not ready, And I'll try to

1794
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 14: be as transparent as I can with you guys. I'm

1795
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 14: not I'm not a guy. I mean, I'm not going

1796
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 14: to get into, you know, trying to be cryptic or

1797
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 14: anything like that. I'll just let you guys know the

1798
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 14: truth and try to be as transparent as possible to

1799
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 14: the Drake like Scout.

1800
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 4: Show team taking some team reps.

1801
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:19,759
Speaker 6: How about like I've heard.

1802
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 8: Like a quarterback running a meeting, you know, like, is

1803
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 8: that possibly if you talk to Alex or Ben or

1804
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 8: tc about letting Drake install the game playing the night

1805
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 8: before a game or something.

1806
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 14: Yeah, So I mean we've done that.

1807
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 5: We use that tool.

1808
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 14: I think it's called like the finement technique. I think

1809
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 14: that's what it's called. But I do believe like if

1810
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 14: you can teach it, you have a true understanding of

1811
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 14: the play of the game plan. When I first got

1812
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 14: into coaching, I was teaching my son Cover two, which

1813
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 14: I will say as a proud father right now, he

1814
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 14: had six tackles two for a loss this past weekend

1815
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 14: and block the field goal without jumping, and I thought

1816
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 14: that was pretty cool. But what I will say is, look,

1817
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 14: he'll have certain projects and things like that that he'll

1818
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 14: be responsible for and saying that, look, he'll still go

1819
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 14: through just a normal game week each and every week.

1820
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 14: And that's how it's gonna be.

1821
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 3: As of today.

1822
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 15: When someone accidentally threw a the school play costumes, oh no,

1823
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:23,879
Speaker 15: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,

1824
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 15: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx. Where

1825
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 15: now it's next for residential delivery only and now great

1826
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 15: moments in.

1827
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 5: History.

1828
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 7: So I love college football. He has no interest in

1829
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 7: it until February, but it's so much. This weekend especially,

1830
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 7: it is gonna be great. You know, Alabama Tennessee. There's

1831
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 7: probably at least one future Patriot playing in that game,

1832
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 7: so that would probably be it.

1833
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 4: Okay, because he's patting himself on the back so much.

1834
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:54,719
Speaker 4: I'm gonna just say this, the reason why I don't

1835
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 4: get into college football in the fall is because I

1836
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 4: have what's called a girlfriend, and.

1837
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:05,480
Speaker 5: I had a shot fire ballot Saturday.

1838
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 4: I spend it with Jess.

1839
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:08,560
Speaker 3: There you go.

1840
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 5: I'm going to truly enjoy my Saturday this week.

1841
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 4: And I thought you said we weren't doing.

1842
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 5: We weren't doing personally.

1843
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 3: That's another great moment.

1844
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 2: From so far, the college game has been pretty good,

1845
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:22,719
Speaker 2: some good games.

1846
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 4: Just for the record bag, we have to give.

1847
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 2: We have to give congratulations to O'Brien BC Eagles for

1848
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 2: beating the number ten team and the.

1849
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,799
Speaker 5: It might be the first time that I can recall

1850
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 5: that I've ever rooted for Boston College and anything.

1851
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 3: Because you're a Northeastern fan.

1852
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 5: But I like Billy Oh, you want to be rooting

1853
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 5: for him, and in all seriousness, now, listen, Florida State

1854
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 5: is probably not very good, you know, based on the

1855
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 5: start of this season, So I'm not over but it

1856
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 5: just shows you how much a quality coach can change

1857
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 5: a team. Like they don't have any different level of talent,

1858
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 5: But how many penalties at BC have last night? Right,

1859
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 5: how many times they get caught with the wrong personnel

1860
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 5: on the field and that kind of stuff. Right, Like

1861
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 5: they had an idea of how to play football. Now

1862
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 5: you're not going to run for almost three hundred yards

1863
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 5: against every team like they dominated Florida State last night.

1864
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 5: But I just thought it was striking how much more

1865
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 5: organized they looked. And I think athlete his predecessor was

1866
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 5: not bad. I think he did a pretty good job then.

1867
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 5: But I just think it's the difference between a guy

1868
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 5: like Billy Oh and some of the predecessors. I don't

1869
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 5: think they'll be great. I'm not trying to say I

1870
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 5: have any illusions, but that was an impressive performance him

1871
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 5: last night.

1872
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 3: I'm a good start.

1873
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 5: Seven eight wins not out of the question, right, eights.

1874
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 4: He's not wrong about you see, he's a great school,

1875
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 4: like academically a great school. It's right outside of Boston. Yeah.

1876
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 4: He keeps saying like, why can't can't be.

1877
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 5: A football school?

1878
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's a lower standard a little bit, right,

1879
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 4: it's not crazy.

1880
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 3: You got to start recruiting and overlooking some things.

1881
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:07,680
Speaker 5: Right nowadays, you're going to have to find some of

1882
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 5: that nil money.

1883
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 4: I was going to say, you need to get in

1884
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:11,679
Speaker 4: that transfer portal.

1885
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of triple legals in the area

1886
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 2: that could fork over some money, right.

1887
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 5: You know what have triple egle is what are the triples?

1888
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 2: The person that goes, I believe, is the person who

1889
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 2: goes to BC High, Boston College, and then Boston College grad.

1890
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I heard of the double legal. I never

1891
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 5: heard of the triple. I don't think the grad students

1892
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 5: are doing much good for BILLYO.

1893
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 2: Though we talked earlier about the game in Brazil and

1894
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 2: Christian from Virginia writes in uh, the drama down there

1895
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 2: is that South Polo's soccer rival, Corinthians main color is green,

1896
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 2: so South Polo fans don't really love people wearing green

1897
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:57,800
Speaker 2: in their stadium. This then got twisted by media into

1898
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 2: some gang violence nonsense, which is most likely what you

1899
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 2: guys were hearing.

1900
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 5: The good news for those those fans, though, is neither

1901
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 5: team will be wearing green. Eagles and Packers won't be

1902
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 5: much green in the States as green as Cats.

1903
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 4: I thought he's experienced. We could of got the Jets

1904
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 4: involved in the Jets.

1905
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 2: Green right, Ron and Conway New Hampshire. Okay, Evan, he says,

1906
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 2: and the rest of the guys too. I guess I'm

1907
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 2: not excited about this season, even though I really want

1908
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,799
Speaker 2: the team to do well. So after listening all season,

1909
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 2: there was a small amount of conversation of when Cole

1910
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:36,720
Speaker 2: Strange comes back, if he could possibly play center. If so,

1911
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 2: how do you think the old line would look next year?

1912
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 2: If everyone was healthy and the line look like this

1913
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:47,679
Speaker 2: with mayat quarterback, left tackle to right, draft Will Campbell,

1914
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:52,679
Speaker 2: then sow Or Robinson Andrews, and when U and Kayden

1915
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 2: Wallace in the draft after Campbell, I wonder what the

1916
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 2: team would consider as a pick.

1917
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 3: Yes, there is no period, so.

1918
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 5: I would need to know what's so Robinson and Wallace

1919
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 5: play like, yeah, yeah, but if they're good enough that

1920
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 5: you don't feel like you got to replace him. If

1921
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 5: they maybe you're implying, but they have the best I

1922
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 5: have or are they good enough? Yeah, you know what

1923
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 5: I mean, their guards like Andrews. Well, you know, I

1924
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 5: have an idea of what he'll look like, and I

1925
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 5: have an idea with the one who look like, when.

1926
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 3: Did you start thinking about life after David Andrews.

1927
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 5: That's not gonna be absolutely valuable. We've got a question

1928
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 5: in the mailbag this week about that. Yeah, with Strange,

1929
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 5: I'm sure that's you know, one of the things.

1930
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:34,679
Speaker 6: He's a backup center if he's going to play.

1931
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 4: My fear with the whole center thing is like, let's

1932
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 4: not that's not cold Strange center, Like, let's not draft

1933
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:44,600
Speaker 4: one in the first round because David Andrews retires like centers.

1934
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 3: I know, but I'd rather have him.

1935
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 2: But it's not you know, like if there's if he

1936
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 2: can be a good center, it's just like mccordy, uh, Devin, Yeah,

1937
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 2: you know you drafted him as a cornerback. You you

1938
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 2: realize maybe he'll be better at safety, and you switch

1939
01:26:59,200 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 2: him over.

1940
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think the issue with Cole Strange to me

1941
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 4: at center is that he's tall, like he's he's a

1942
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 4: little bit upright to play center, Like he's like six three,

1943
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 4: six four. It's a big center. That's a big, big,

1944
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 4: big center, and I typically like more of like the

1945
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 4: David Andrews types of centers that can get underneath guys.

1946
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's got a low center at gravity, So

1947
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 4: that would be my one thing. But if they draft

1948
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 4: Campbell or Telvin Banks Junior or whoever, and he's a

1949
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 4: franchise left tackle, the whole thing is gonna be fine.

1950
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 4: You know, it's gonna look a lot better.

1951
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 2: Eight eight five five past five hundred to get hotline

1952
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:32,799
Speaker 2: Rodney's and Delaware.

1953
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 3: What's up? Rodney?

1954
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 10: Thank god?

1955
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 3: I had a question. So Rodney, you can hear me.

1956
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 5: Rod I get no respect, doesn't.

1957
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 3: Eldred?

1958
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 5: Happened when I take the Eldred's in North Carolina?

1959
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 3: Hey Aldred? Hey? Oh I didn't hear him?

1960
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, you'll shoot for you?

1961
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 2: I can.

1962
01:27:58,160 --> 01:27:58,680
Speaker 12: Can you hear me?

1963
01:27:58,960 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 5: Yes?

1964
01:27:59,439 --> 01:27:59,639
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1965
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 12: Okay, okay, hey Fred, thank you for defending me a

1966
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 12: little bit.

1967
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 11: For all you.

1968
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 12: Peons that don't understand the chart. Like I said, I

1969
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 12: didn't make it up, but Deuce you picked up on

1970
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:16,600
Speaker 12: it right away. You know it's the talent level. Knuckleheads.

1971
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 12: If you can't understand the talent level, go back listen

1972
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 12: to the podcast and they'll tell you they're playing everything

1973
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 12: to you.

1974
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 2: Well, I understand the talent level, I understand, I don't

1975
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 2: understand pink, orange, blue green, all that future pink.

1976
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 12: Pink is a young like like me. He's the upcoming start,

1977
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 12: but you don't know what he's gonna be like. But

1978
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 12: he's up there him.

1979
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 5: And maybe we understood it. Eligi, to be honest with you,

1980
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 5: with too many categories, I know, I.

1981
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 12: Know they got to build a foundation of a championship team.

1982
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 12: That's what that means for the pion They don't understand

1983
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 12: football charts.

1984
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 13: But that's that.

1985
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,640
Speaker 12: But other than that, my question is the guys that

1986
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 12: they the guys that they brought up, did they put

1987
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 12: free agency wide well practice squad, those tackles and nick

1988
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 12: guard you was talking about, anyway they push for a

1989
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 12: starting position.

1990
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:10,680
Speaker 5: Did the ones that we got the waved off the waivers? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1991
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 5: the waves I would hardly doubt, highly doubt that.

1992
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Demntre Jacobs has got some tools, but it seems

1993
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 4: like uh, Trey Jacobs, I stand corrected. Uh, he's got

1994
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 4: some tools, but he's the developmental type of player, good athlete, big,

1995
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 4: you know, six six three fifteen, three twenty. But I

1996
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 4: don't know if he's ready to contribute that the way

1997
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 4: Eldrid is talking about.

1998
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 5: Plus he's gotta learn the system and everything.

1999
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 12: Yet a whole lot better than than what we've seen

2000
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 12: doing pre seasons.

2001
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2002
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,879
Speaker 5: I don't know about that. Yeah, give me the quarterback.

2003
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's better than Vederian Lowe.

2004
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 5: The guys that got cut. Yeah, like right, guys that

2005
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 5: are off waivers, that are on their rookie contract that

2006
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:57,120
Speaker 5: get cut. I don't think we'll qualify as better than

2007
01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 5: what you have.

2008
01:29:57,560 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 3: We're gonna believe our earlier email.

2009
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 2: Or there's not too many teams with good defensive lines

2010
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:02,879
Speaker 2: and they got cut.

2011
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 5: And the young ones that are making nothing because they

2012
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 5: can't have, you know, four or more years experience to

2013
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 5: to have to go through waivers.

2014
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:14,759
Speaker 3: All right, thanks, I'm looking forward to thank you. Okay,

2015
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:23,599
Speaker 3: thanks for the call. Yeah, I'm here, hear me, Okay,

2016
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 3: we can hear yet.

2017
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 16: Yeah, Okay, Seeing how bad all that the line is

2018
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 16: doing right now, why not the Patriots try to make

2019
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 16: the trade for Walker Little from Jacksonville so that we

2020
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:36,640
Speaker 16: don't have to spend the first round pick on the

2021
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 16: table here to take the till McMillan from Arizona. Is

2022
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 16: that a valuable option?

2023
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:48,880
Speaker 4: I don't really believe Walker Little is anything special. If

2024
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 4: I remember correctly, he was. Also, there's something weird with

2025
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 4: him in the in the drafts, like injuries or he's

2026
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 4: like older. So I don't remember what it is off

2027
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:58,680
Speaker 4: the top of my head, but I don't. I'm not

2028
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 4: gonna sit here and pretend like I want a bunch

2029
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 4: of Walker Little tape over the last couple of years.

2030
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 4: But I don't recall him being like that. We've now

2031
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 4: solved this problem, set that tackle, you know, Like I

2032
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 4: don't really view him quite on that lovel he's twenty five. Yeah,

2033
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:18,080
Speaker 4: there's something about him in the draft I don't remember.

2034
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 5: So just out of curiosity. If he's so good and

2035
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,719
Speaker 5: he would be better than drafting Will Campbell as an example,

2036
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:29,720
Speaker 5: why is he available? Yeah, Like the whole notion of

2037
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 5: picking up someone else's scraps so you don't have to

2038
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 5: take one in the first you know, the top top

2039
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:39,040
Speaker 5: five doesn't make sense to me, Like, why would you

2040
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 5: assume that Walker Little is a better option than Will Campbell? Oh?

2041
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it was injuries? So in college. In his

2042
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 4: last two years in college, he played one game because

2043
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 4: he had so many injuries in college on tap talent,

2044
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 4: so I remembered kind of health. But yeah, I mean.

2045
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:01,599
Speaker 5: Second round pick in twenty one. Yeah, so he's available,

2046
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 5: I assume, forgive me, but I don't know the depth

2047
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 5: charts of thirty two teams on the offensive line.

2048
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 3: Very surprised, Paul.

2049
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 5: So this is a guy who should be if he's

2050
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 5: that good, and he was. He went in the second

2051
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:18,840
Speaker 5: round instead of the first because of injuries at Stanford, right, yep,

2052
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 5: But he's not playing for the Jags, so we can

2053
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 5: get him. And that's better than Will Campbell. And by

2054
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 5: the way, the guy that he mentioned, and this is

2055
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:31,479
Speaker 5: I'm not picking because the guy had an unbelievable game.

2056
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 5: The guy you mentioned, the receiver from Arizona. Can't pronounce

2057
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 5: his first name, but we call him t mac just

2058
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 5: to he's got Oh.

2059
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 4: He was talking about Ted mckillan mcmill millings.

2060
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 5: Because me, he had three hundred yards receiving in the

2061
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:50,760
Speaker 5: opening game and he is considered to be one of

2062
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 5: the top wide receivers coming out right, I am very intrigued.

2063
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 4: So Antennas are all the way up. So he goes

2064
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:02,639
Speaker 4: to the University of Arizona. I know the backup quarterback McMillan,

2065
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:06,720
Speaker 4: So his name is I think he's like Samoan or something.

2066
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:09,600
Speaker 4: I should probably do that, not just say something so

2067
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:12,679
Speaker 4: Ted mckill McMillan. I keep seeing mckillan for some reason.

2068
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 4: You kind of just say it for short. But he

2069
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:19,639
Speaker 4: is a prototypical talk about X receivers, like he's six ' five.

2070
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 4: You know, he's in the same body type of like

2071
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:27,439
Speaker 4: a Drake London in Atlanta. Some people say Mike Evans.

2072
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 4: I've retired Mike Evans from player comps. I think he's

2073
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 4: too good. Like I don't try not to comp people.

2074
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:36,439
Speaker 4: The players like Mike Evans, but he's in that sort

2075
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 4: of category of like big time outside receiver, moves incredibly

2076
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 4: well for his size, and is going to be top

2077
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 4: fifteen to twenty pick in the draft next year.

2078
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,040
Speaker 2: Ten in Las Vegas writes in I haven't heard the

2079
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:54,719
Speaker 2: question asked who will be the backup quarterback to Brissett

2080
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:59,800
Speaker 2: and who will be the emergency third quarterback? It was yeah,

2081
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:04,760
Speaker 2: Drake may is the backup quarterback. He says, I think

2082
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,640
Speaker 2: I'd prefer Milton to be the backup rather than May

2083
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,679
Speaker 2: and maybe the emergency. I don't know if May's first

2084
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:14,840
Speaker 2: appearance should be coming in as a backup why, Well,

2085
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 2: no matter when he at this point, no matter when

2086
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:19,080
Speaker 2: he comes in, he's going to be coming in as

2087
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:19,719
Speaker 2: the backup.

2088
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 5: Well, I think his point is he would like him

2089
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 5: to prepare it in the middle of the game as

2090
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 5: a starter. But I don't really know why. What's the difference.

2091
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's not coddle the guy.

2092
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:31,559
Speaker 4: We've already already.

2093
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 5: And what did you see from Joe?

2094
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:35,759
Speaker 6: Like, I was kind of disappointed in Joe Milton summer,

2095
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 6: to be honest, Not that I was expecting much, but

2096
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 6: I just didn't see a lot of progress.

2097
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:40,599
Speaker 2: Really.

2098
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe it was there if you looked at the

2099
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 6: minor details.

2100
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 5: But five for eighteen not doing it for you.

2101
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:47,439
Speaker 4: No, that's a good way of putting in Mike he

2102
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 4: kind of It wasn't that he was ever terrible. It

2103
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:53,920
Speaker 4: just ye had that one opening preseason game was good

2104
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 4: and then it just kind of leveled off from there

2105
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 4: and it never Drake May got better.

2106
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:02,639
Speaker 5: The last the preseason games were really rough for Milton.

2107
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 6: It just became throw the ball deep. Just throw the

2108
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 6: ball deep, That's all I want to And that.

2109
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 5: Kind of coincided with him. And this is probably not

2110
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:12,840
Speaker 5: coincidental with him really getting almost no reps to it

2111
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:16,040
Speaker 5: like that. That's once the preseason game started, his reps

2112
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:20,680
Speaker 5: almost disappeared in practice, So it's probably not a coincidence

2113
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:22,840
Speaker 5: of that girl performance in the games really went down.

2114
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 2: David Mayne writes in when coach Mayo announced Jacoby Brissett

2115
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:30,360
Speaker 2: as the starting quarterback, I really wish a media person

2116
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 2: would have asked him if starting the solid but non

2117
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 2: mobile average quarterback over the young athletic playmaking rookie was

2118
01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 2: something he learned from Bill. Mayo was so bound and

2119
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:43,639
Speaker 2: determined to be the opposite of Bill that I bet

2120
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 2: he would do a one to eighty and start may instead.

2121
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 2: I say that tongue in cheek, but I do think

2122
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:51,800
Speaker 2: there's some truth there that brings me to my question,

2123
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:55,479
Speaker 2: in your opinion, why was Bill so terrible about building offense?

2124
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:58,400
Speaker 2: From Nikhil Harry to taking Cole Strange of the first

2125
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 2: round to making Maddy PC. I feel like in the

2126
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 2: last few years he drafted a lot of old linemen,

2127
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:08,600
Speaker 2: Yet here we are. Do you think this was just

2128
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 2: a lack of respect for offensive football. Was he trying

2129
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 2: to sabotage Mac because he didn't want him to in.

2130
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 3: The first place.

2131
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:18,719
Speaker 2: I still to this day can't understand how the greatest

2132
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:21,160
Speaker 2: coach ever made such terrible decisions.

2133
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:23,720
Speaker 4: How long we going?

2134
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 5: No, I think he struggled late. I mean, I don't

2135
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 5: think he had a hard time now. Obviously Brady helps that,

2136
01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:31,920
Speaker 5: but I don't think we picked apart every move that

2137
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 5: he made offensively over the years. Now, certainly Mike plays

2138
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 5: the greatest hits of the last seven eight nine years

2139
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:43,599
Speaker 5: or so. He struggled, and I think it was less

2140
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 5: about identifying, you know, like Nikhil Harry's an identification problem,

2141
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:51,280
Speaker 5: that's an evaluation issue. I think they ignored it more,

2142
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 5: you know, too.

2143
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:53,839
Speaker 4: Often towards the end, especially.

2144
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:56,280
Speaker 6: I just I don't know if it's a cliched as

2145
01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:58,599
Speaker 6: just the old guy who gets set in his ways

2146
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 6: and just doesn't want to change. That's kind of got

2147
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:04,640
Speaker 6: used to having a quarterback and an offensive coordinator who

2148
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 6: just kind of made things run.

2149
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 5: And I know what things he could still do was

2150
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 5: the offensive lineman. Like WHENU was his, so was his

2151
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:13,599
Speaker 5: And those are guys that are playing, and I would

2152
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 5: count David Andrews in that group, even though he wasn't

2153
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 5: a draft pick. He was an undrafted rookie that they

2154
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 5: developed and he played right away.

2155
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 6: It's just the high round misses. And I think the

2156
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 6: thing that stood out to me was like when Drake

2157
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:24,759
Speaker 6: may or Christian Gonzalez is on the field this summer,

2158
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:28,879
Speaker 6: they're different, They're different, They're talent, they are super talented

2159
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 6: athletic guys, and there was none of those guys on

2160
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 6: the roster the last few years, you know. I mean,

2161
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 6: it was just it was so hard, the high round misses,

2162
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:40,200
Speaker 6: the lack of talent. But I just there's a lot

2163
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:42,720
Speaker 6: going on there. I will never be able to figure out, though,

2164
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 6: how the Matt Patricia thing of it all coaching the line,

2165
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:47,720
Speaker 6: how that was? How was that?

2166
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,679
Speaker 2: I think that Bill got overconfident when he drafted Steven

2167
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,360
Speaker 2: Neil and he ended up being a really good guard.

2168
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:56,680
Speaker 4: I think Stephen Neil was undrafted, wasn't he he was?

2169
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:58,920
Speaker 5: But I think at the point, but I think that

2170
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 5: they had really good success with Lineman. Yeah, yeah, I

2171
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 5: think that.

2172
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 3: Well, and because they had Dante well.

2173
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:11,960
Speaker 5: Because he but he also I think ways like lineman

2174
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:15,800
Speaker 5: haven't changed dramatically. Now there's some that that's maybe moving

2175
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 5: to a more athletic lineman, but there's still like the

2176
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:22,120
Speaker 5: principles of line player, the same guy in front of

2177
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 5: you right. Offense in general has changed dramatically, and I

2178
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 5: think as it's gone from Corey Dillon leading the way

2179
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:31,720
Speaker 5: to the quarterback being the focal point, I think he's

2180
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:32,679
Speaker 5: been slow to adjust.

2181
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think he never he never put the

2182
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 4: value in the receiver position the way that the rest

2183
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 4: of the league did, Like that trend hit, and he

2184
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 4: was still all this draft this guy or signed DeVante Parker,

2185
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 4: trade for DeVante Parker, you know, depressed Nelson Agalre, Kendrick Bourne,

2186
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 4: and I love Kendrick.

2187
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 2: I think, you know, like I think there's a whole thing.

2188
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:02,439
Speaker 2: It comes down to locker room economics. He was very

2189
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:07,679
Speaker 2: aware of, you know, what the economics and the culture

2190
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:09,559
Speaker 2: of the locker room was. And I think he looked

2191
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:12,960
Speaker 2: as a football team as this unit that you know,

2192
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:16,240
Speaker 2: I'd rather have a bunch of guys who love football,

2193
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:20,479
Speaker 2: can play together, are coachable. Football is important than have

2194
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:23,560
Speaker 2: these one or two divas. And I think he was

2195
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 2: really wary of getting those types of guys on his team,

2196
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 2: and when he did, they were like the retreads.

2197
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 5: That used to be a dealers.

2198
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:32,519
Speaker 12: Right.

2199
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:36,480
Speaker 2: Tony never won IM ring and now was just grateful

2200
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 2: to be given that chance. And so you come in

2201
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:43,640
Speaker 2: with that sense of gratitude and loyalty to me. I

2202
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:46,639
Speaker 2: know that if he was here, he called me a moron.

2203
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:50,320
Speaker 2: And I'm being serious, but I think there's something to that.

2204
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:53,080
Speaker 5: But that was just about content, not necessarily right.

2205
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 6: But I do think Fred, you you know you're you

2206
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:57,160
Speaker 6: could be right about that. But it's like, but once

2207
01:39:57,200 --> 01:39:59,679
Speaker 6: the team starts losing, then no one cares about the hierarchy.

2208
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:01,599
Speaker 6: They care that you suck and you're getting your teeth

2209
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 6: kicked in every week and you can't move the ball.

2210
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 5: You don't have enough talent to move the you know

2211
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:06,719
Speaker 5: what I mean, you have Tom Brady.

2212
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 4: It just covered they never He never valued the wide

2213
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:13,920
Speaker 4: receiver position the way the rest of the league was

2214
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 4: starting to value it. And the NFL is one of

2215
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 4: those things where like the money just follow the money,

2216
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 4: like what are teams spending money on? And all of

2217
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 4: a sudden, the wide receiver position just became a thirty

2218
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:28,800
Speaker 4: million dollars a year position for the elite guys, and

2219
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:31,680
Speaker 4: he would never pay a wide receiver that kind of

2220
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:33,760
Speaker 4: money because he just didn't see the value in it.

2221
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 2: And he didn't Well it's again, you might be right

2222
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 2: in terms of not seeing the value in it, but

2223
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:42,960
Speaker 2: the reason he didn't value it is because of the

2224
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 2: how it would disrupt his locker room and how it

2225
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:47,720
Speaker 2: disrupted the pecking goal.

2226
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:49,679
Speaker 5: I think that's the whole I think that's valid. Yeah,

2227
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:51,559
Speaker 5: I think that's absolutely valid. But I think what Evan's

2228
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:54,559
Speaker 5: saying is valid too. It wasn't just like the higher archy.

2229
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:57,720
Speaker 3: Like you can't say he didn't value Randy Moss.

2230
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,479
Speaker 5: Of course he did, yeah, but at that at that

2231
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:04,760
Speaker 5: price again and a depressed assets and as soon as

2232
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:08,519
Speaker 5: Randy Moss. But I think as important as what you

2233
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 5: were talking about is the mentality of the like the

2234
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 5: the grateful attitude, like you owe this to Bill. It's

2235
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:20,120
Speaker 5: not just about the money he was making. It's I'm

2236
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:22,680
Speaker 5: giving him his last chance, that's right, So I'm going

2237
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:23,760
Speaker 5: to get the most out of him.

2238
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:23,920
Speaker 2: Now.

2239
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 5: I don't mind if he's going to get some money,

2240
01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 5: but because he owes it to me, and I think

2241
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 5: that was part of it. There's a lot of things

2242
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 5: that people have said about what Mayo has done so

2243
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:36,639
Speaker 5: far that well, Bill never would have done that. It's

2244
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 5: been a lot of things so far, most of which

2245
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:41,720
Speaker 5: I don't think are true, Like when they signed far

2246
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:44,560
Speaker 5: More to an extension and Stevenson Joia. Bill would have

2247
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:46,320
Speaker 5: never done that. They just did the same thing like

2248
01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:50,760
Speaker 5: last year to Godshaw into Devonte Parker. Guys like that. Right,

2249
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:54,040
Speaker 5: this is one that is one thousand percent true. There's

2250
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:57,160
Speaker 5: no way they would have gone as aggressively after Brandon

2251
01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:01,120
Speaker 5: Ayuk as the Patriots did, offering a thirty plus million

2252
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:06,680
Speaker 5: dollar annual value contract and investing resources to get him.

2253
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:08,639
Speaker 3: Now to guarantee Poe.

2254
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:11,600
Speaker 5: But if somehow he fell through the cracks and he

2255
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:13,880
Speaker 5: becomes Randy Moss and I can get him for a

2256
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 5: fourth round pick and paying peanuts. Now he owes me right,

2257
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 5: these guys were looking to come here. I agree with Evan.

2258
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 5: He doesn't value does not value that position. He looks

2259
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:25,720
Speaker 5: at everybody else is now.

2260
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:29,439
Speaker 4: He looks like it. Teams like Miami, who he thinks

2261
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 4: three three players are taking up like you know, however

2262
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 4: much of their cap it's to a Tyreek Hill and

2263
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 4: Jalen Waddle and he's like idiots like idiots, right, But

2264
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:42,200
Speaker 4: the rest of the league is that's how it's now

2265
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 4: being structured.

2266
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:44,519
Speaker 3: Well, it used to be like, well, how do you

2267
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:45,200
Speaker 3: sustain that?

2268
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:50,080
Speaker 2: Well, you can sustain it by manipulating the cap later on,

2269
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:52,880
Speaker 2: so all the cap is so high. Yeah, so you know,

2270
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 2: Tyreek killed the size of retired, which I thought, by

2271
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 2: the way, he was going to do after this year.

2272
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:00,200
Speaker 2: But anyway, you know, so he's gone, all right, so

2273
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 2: maybe yet you're left with a whole bunch of dead money.

2274
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 2: You figure it out by moving some other contracts around.

2275
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 2: There's a way to sustain it.

2276
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:11,559
Speaker 4: Yeah. He went on TV whatever gig he was doing,

2277
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:15,080
Speaker 4: and he was waxing poetic about how great of a

2278
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 4: job Kansas City has done running their cap, completely ignoring

2279
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 4: the fact that they have Patrick Mahomes as the quarterback.

2280
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:24,719
Speaker 4: And it's like, yeah, when Patrick Mahomes is your quarterback,

2281
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:27,760
Speaker 4: you can trade Tyreek Hill and you still are going

2282
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:28,799
Speaker 4: to win Super Bowls.

2283
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:33,599
Speaker 5: Because you have Again, they just speaks to the right,

2284
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 5: So we don't have to beat up on Bill. The

2285
01:43:35,320 --> 01:43:38,439
Speaker 5: guy's track record and resume speaks for itself. But it

2286
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 5: just speaks to his mentality that he still thinks it's

2287
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:41,519
Speaker 5: about him.

2288
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 2: But the problem is, and listen, I love Bill, I'm

2289
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 2: grateful for everything he's done, so don't get me wrong,

2290
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 2: But when he says that no one challenges him, well

2291
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:52,599
Speaker 2: because nobody pushes back.

2292
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:54,880
Speaker 3: But they have Patrick Mahomes.

2293
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:57,360
Speaker 5: Because they have they're just so happy to be around.

2294
01:43:57,479 --> 01:43:59,240
Speaker 5: Like it's like college game day.

2295
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:01,320
Speaker 3: They got rid of type kill and they still won

2296
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:02,000
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl.

2297
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 5: Suddenly it's like, you know, Shacky green Sabin up there,

2298
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 5: like he just he comes out and says, uh, you know,

2299
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:13,000
Speaker 5: you gotta run the football. That's so true. Coach, that's

2300
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:13,519
Speaker 5: so true.

2301
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:15,120
Speaker 4: But that's like because it's Pat mcavie.

2302
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:18,000
Speaker 5: It's just unbelievable the way they fawn over Bill and

2303
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:22,000
Speaker 5: Nick Sabe and like, listen, great coaches arguably the best

2304
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:24,479
Speaker 5: to ever do it at their respective levels. Right, I'm

2305
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:28,080
Speaker 5: not telling you anything is overrated, But does everything they

2306
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:30,960
Speaker 5: have to say be so insightful? Does it have to

2307
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 5: be like like mind bending, like football knowledge when they're

2308
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:38,240
Speaker 5: just talking in generalities like everybody, but did you hear

2309
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:40,559
Speaker 5: the sabing thing this week? Like you know that they

2310
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:42,920
Speaker 5: have a twenty million dollar roster with an io, Well

2311
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:45,800
Speaker 5: you better have the right twenty million, otherwise it'll go

2312
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:50,360
Speaker 5: worth a bleep. You would have thought that, like, oh really, yeah, really,

2313
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:52,800
Speaker 5: you don't want to waste money on bad players like that.

2314
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:55,400
Speaker 5: This is like insight, right, Like you want to make

2315
01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:56,880
Speaker 5: sure that if you're spending a lot of money on

2316
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:57,759
Speaker 5: your roster, those.

2317
01:44:57,600 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 4: Guys play right and they're good.

2318
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,040
Speaker 5: Of course, it's the same in the NFL.

2319
01:45:01,960 --> 01:45:03,439
Speaker 2: Right, if you have a first round draft pick, you

2320
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 2: better make sure you use that on a good player.

2321
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:06,559
Speaker 5: You better make sure he's not bleep, right.

2322
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 6: I think that twenty nineteen season, though, was such a

2323
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:12,519
Speaker 6: good example because you draft to kill Harry in the

2324
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:15,320
Speaker 6: first you went and grabbed the Antonio Brown, and then

2325
01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:17,479
Speaker 6: you traded a second round pick for Mohammed Sanu. It

2326
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:19,840
Speaker 6: was like, you know, three different pieces that showed that

2327
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:22,479
Speaker 6: they were kind of searching for it but picking the

2328
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 6: wrong guys.

2329
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 5: Well, I said, the evaluations was an issue with Harry.

2330
01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:29,080
Speaker 5: There were guys available that were a lot better than him,

2331
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:32,280
Speaker 5: and as we all know, the Bobo told us that

2332
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:35,200
Speaker 5: if we thought that dk Metcalf was a better player

2333
01:45:35,240 --> 01:45:37,920
Speaker 5: than Kaneil Harry, we were an idiot.

2334
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:40,040
Speaker 6: It's carry out of the league now, did he get cut?

2335
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:43,160
Speaker 4: I probably, but that's what he switched positions, the tight end.

2336
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:46,000
Speaker 5: That's what Mike Lombardi famously told us. Right if you

2337
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:49,920
Speaker 5: think that dk Metcalf was a better player than Kaneil Harry, yes,

2338
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:51,760
Speaker 5: I know it was always called him.

2339
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 3: It's just always so tough for me, the captain and

2340
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:57,760
Speaker 3: Kanil when we.

2341
01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:01,640
Speaker 4: Can look at it as as media types Layman's as

2342
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:05,360
Speaker 4: Fred likes to say, and say, you drafted Nikhil Harry

2343
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:07,560
Speaker 4: over A J. Brown and Deebo Samuel, like what are you?

2344
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 4: What are you doing? But then the greatest coach of

2345
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 4: all time like evaluated the players and came out with

2346
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:14,640
Speaker 4: Nikhil Harry And.

2347
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:15,679
Speaker 5: It just doesn't make sense.

2348
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:18,200
Speaker 4: It just that's the part that I can never And this.

2349
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:20,200
Speaker 5: Goes back and this is why I kind of agree

2350
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:22,599
Speaker 5: with Evan how he just doesn't really value that spot.

2351
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:25,679
Speaker 5: And it goes back to that excerpt from that book

2352
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 5: a long time ago with Dimatrov talking about when he

2353
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 5: made the move in Atlanta to move up to get

2354
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:34,760
Speaker 5: Julio Jones and he asked, he called Belichick and asked

2355
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:36,320
Speaker 5: for advice, and he said, why would you do that?

2356
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:40,639
Speaker 5: Just stay where you are and take Jonathan Baldwin again.

2357
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:43,080
Speaker 5: I don't want that that guy like. This is why

2358
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:45,120
Speaker 5: I think both of you are right. I don't want

2359
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:48,880
Speaker 5: the entitled star. I want the workman like guys. It's

2360
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:51,120
Speaker 5: going to be grateful to me for drafting the first

2361
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:51,840
Speaker 5: round row. We know.

2362
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 2: The background on Nikhil Harry compared to some of these

2363
01:46:55,240 --> 01:46:59,760
Speaker 2: other guys was he's a he's not as hard, not

2364
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:00,840
Speaker 2: as much of a boss.

2365
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:04,960
Speaker 6: You know, you probably liked the physicality and he looks

2366
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:06,960
Speaker 6: like in thedonnas, I mean, it's not hard. He even

2367
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:09,760
Speaker 6: talked about the prototypical acts of h I mean, you

2368
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:11,680
Speaker 6: can look at Nikhil Harry without watching him play and

2369
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:13,840
Speaker 6: just his body type and say he's got the size

2370
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:15,880
Speaker 6: to play outside, he's got a willingness to like, you know,

2371
01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 6: you could maybe understand what they were trying to sell

2372
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:18,559
Speaker 6: themself something.

2373
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:20,479
Speaker 3: This is good when he wasn't throwing up behind the

2374
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:23,720
Speaker 3: light pole about Harry.

2375
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:28,840
Speaker 2: Practice anyway, Travis in West Virginia rights and no, I don't,

2376
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:29,800
Speaker 2: but you don't remember.

2377
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:31,280
Speaker 5: Probably more off here.

2378
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:34,639
Speaker 2: Travis in West Virginia is the new pre and post

2379
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:38,840
Speaker 2: game guy talking about mattis going to be the host

2380
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:41,679
Speaker 2: for the whole season. Yes, So would you mind giving

2381
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 2: me a quick bio of him, just so I know

2382
01:47:44,360 --> 01:47:48,240
Speaker 2: his story and the genesis of his nickname. Well, he's

2383
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:52,599
Speaker 2: he's a senior executive producer of the Patriots. So all

2384
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:55,360
Speaker 2: the team, the preseason game and the TV shows that

2385
01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:58,920
Speaker 2: you see. Uh, he produces all of those. And he

2386
01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:01,720
Speaker 2: came here like what twenty years ago? Oh yeah, at

2387
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:04,840
Speaker 2: least from Channel five. He was a producer there. And

2388
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:08,479
Speaker 2: I believe, well we know that we call him No

2389
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:11,000
Speaker 2: Socks because when he wears shoes, he doesn't wear socks.

2390
01:48:11,320 --> 01:48:12,679
Speaker 3: When he wear sneakers, he does.

2391
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:15,920
Speaker 2: But I don't know, I don't know if No Socks

2392
01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:18,360
Speaker 2: would admit this, but I think he got the no

2393
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:21,600
Speaker 2: shoes with socks from Mike Lynch Swinger, who was the

2394
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:26,519
Speaker 2: sports guy, longtime sportscaster here in Boston, and whenever I'd

2395
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:29,760
Speaker 2: see them, because back then Channel four wasn't the station

2396
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:32,679
Speaker 2: was Channel five was the partner with the Page Access

2397
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:35,599
Speaker 2: Channel five, and when Mike Lynch would come in here

2398
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:37,840
Speaker 2: to film, he'd never have socks with his shoes.

2399
01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:40,960
Speaker 5: First, my first stinch on All Access was Channel.

2400
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:43,360
Speaker 3: So I think I think Matt, Matt No Socks got

2401
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:44,160
Speaker 3: it from Mike Lynch.

2402
01:48:44,280 --> 01:48:47,200
Speaker 4: He also loves flops Matt Smith. So when you guys

2403
01:48:47,240 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 4: say no socks, I always think about him on the

2404
01:48:49,439 --> 01:48:52,000
Speaker 4: road just walking around with the dogs out.

2405
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:53,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.

2406
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:55,760
Speaker 5: He is also the coast of Pass from the Past

2407
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:56,120
Speaker 5: with Paul.

2408
01:48:56,360 --> 01:48:56,760
Speaker 3: That's right.

2409
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 4: He's also on Think a college bomber shout out.

2410
01:48:59,400 --> 01:48:59,720
Speaker 3: I didn't know.

2411
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:05,240
Speaker 5: So his long career mostly behind the scenes, behind yeah

2412
01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:08,439
Speaker 5: that's what I said. Yeah, not on behalf behind behind

2413
01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:11,920
Speaker 5: and now he's you know, he asked Mike and I

2414
01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:14,160
Speaker 5: like in the off season when we figured out that

2415
01:49:14,240 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 5: Hardy wasn't coming back, Well, what do you think if

2416
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:18,320
Speaker 5: I host? Yeah, you know, of course he's my boss.

2417
01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:20,920
Speaker 5: So I really feel like I was comfortable enough to say, well,

2418
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:22,439
Speaker 5: I really don't like that idea all.

2419
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 3: But he knows.

2420
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:25,960
Speaker 6: He's been around a lot, and as I said on

2421
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:28,439
Speaker 6: the air during the pregame show, he's down in this

2422
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:32,360
Speaker 6: KSP studio, so there's just a high amount of foot traffic,

2423
01:49:32,439 --> 01:49:34,240
Speaker 6: so he's talking to everybody and he.

2424
01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 4: Knows a lot of constant chatter. But he is one

2425
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:40,280
Speaker 4: of my favorite road trip guys that I've ever road

2426
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:43,960
Speaker 4: tripped with. I call him appetizer Matt because you go

2427
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:46,720
Speaker 4: to a restaurant with him and he's got a bud

2428
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:49,560
Speaker 4: light in his hand and get through the door, and

2429
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:52,240
Speaker 4: then he and then he tells the waiter, why don't

2430
01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:54,360
Speaker 4: you bring another bud lights because by the time you

2431
01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 4: get back, I'll be done with this one, said this.

2432
01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:58,600
Speaker 5: One, I've been here before, and this one has a

2433
01:49:58,640 --> 01:49:59,000
Speaker 5: hole in it.

2434
01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:03,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then he'll order every single appetizer on the menu.

2435
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:05,040
Speaker 3: He's a good restaurant guy.

2436
01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:09,240
Speaker 5: He is a restaurant guy. He's a good conversationalist. He's

2437
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:12,080
Speaker 5: good to do that stuff. And Freddy, I mean, this

2438
01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:15,360
Speaker 5: is no slight to you, Freddie, okay, because we had

2439
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:19,960
Speaker 5: some great road trips me you and Andy.

2440
01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:20,559
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

2441
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:24,240
Speaker 5: So we've had a lot of storytelling over the years,

2442
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:26,639
Speaker 5: and Matt's right in line with that kind of stuff.

2443
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:29,680
Speaker 5: So I can see Evan, why you while you enjoy that.

2444
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:35,880
Speaker 2: H Travis also says, also, can you tell No Socks

2445
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 2: that when he takes phone calls, he doesn't need to

2446
01:50:38,600 --> 01:50:42,559
Speaker 2: point out that the caller was waiting patiently every single time.

2447
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:47,640
Speaker 2: Chances are they're not actually patient anyway. So yeah, No

2448
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:49,840
Speaker 2: Socks is going to have to understand that you're gonna

2449
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:52,240
Speaker 2: have to take your hits because our listeners and our

2450
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:53,120
Speaker 2: viewers are very.

2451
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:55,840
Speaker 5: Nasty, critical, and that's what they just want to get

2452
01:50:55,880 --> 01:50:57,559
Speaker 5: the best out of. That's what we want. We want

2453
01:50:57,800 --> 01:51:00,479
Speaker 5: biting commentary, that's what we're looking for. So I would

2454
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:03,920
Speaker 5: just say that was Matt's first show this week, and

2455
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:07,960
Speaker 5: I think he sort of Mike and I talked to

2456
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:09,680
Speaker 5: him a little bit about like, you don't have to

2457
01:51:09,720 --> 01:51:13,000
Speaker 5: feel compelled to jump on every email and call as

2458
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:15,519
Speaker 5: soon as you get it. To breathe a little bit,

2459
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 5: to breathe, like if we're talking to the topic, you know,

2460
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:22,719
Speaker 5: like preseason pregame show, not exactly you know, two hours

2461
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:25,640
Speaker 5: worth of content there, but there will be, you know,

2462
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:27,880
Speaker 5: when the season starts, we'll have some stuff and you

2463
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:30,599
Speaker 5: don't necessarily have to like stop everything you're doing. All right,

2464
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:32,760
Speaker 5: someone's up on the on the call screen, and we

2465
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:35,160
Speaker 5: got to take that call right away. I think he felt, well,

2466
01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:37,000
Speaker 5: he's been waiting patiently. We got to get to him.

2467
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:45,000
Speaker 5: That's why he kept saying, Fred doesn't care. Fred, it's rude, Fred, Fred,

2468
01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:46,479
Speaker 5: it's rude. We just started to show.

2469
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:48,599
Speaker 2: As opposed to Hardy, who never read emails.

2470
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:51,120
Speaker 5: Hardy was anti electronic.

2471
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:55,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't like people emailing, and then when he

2472
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:58,479
Speaker 2: would finally read it, he'd pretend he was Shakespeare.

2473
01:51:58,040 --> 01:51:58,560
Speaker 5: On the you know.

2474
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:02,360
Speaker 2: But speaking of phone calls, let's get back to the

2475
01:52:02,479 --> 01:52:05,519
Speaker 2: A Sticket hotline at eight five five past five one hundred.

2476
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:06,959
Speaker 3: James is in North Carolina.

2477
01:52:07,080 --> 01:52:12,559
Speaker 5: Hey James, James, Hey guys, I'm here.

2478
01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:13,040
Speaker 13: Can hear me?

2479
01:52:13,400 --> 01:52:15,479
Speaker 3: We can hear you? All right?

2480
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:21,400
Speaker 13: Good? So first of Paul Captain and Kneil is sneaky good.

2481
01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:22,800
Speaker 5: Sneaky good.

2482
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:23,519
Speaker 3: That was me.

2483
01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:25,880
Speaker 5: That was That was Fred's line. But I got it again.

2484
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:27,800
Speaker 5: The only guy in the room. I got it. I'm

2485
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:28,679
Speaker 5: the only one old enough.

2486
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:34,880
Speaker 10: I brought it the other day.

2487
01:52:36,680 --> 01:52:40,080
Speaker 5: Hello, all right, what's going on?

2488
01:52:40,160 --> 01:52:44,040
Speaker 3: You're doubled? Are you? Are you juggling things right now?

2489
01:52:45,160 --> 01:52:48,560
Speaker 13: Carr stold my phone call. It's all good. So I

2490
01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:52,080
Speaker 13: brought this to Rook the other day. How would you

2491
01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:56,559
Speaker 13: guys feel about trying to address wide receiver by starting

2492
01:52:56,600 --> 01:53:03,320
Speaker 13: at the bottom and looking at scouting. Pittsburgh pulled gems

2493
01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:08,320
Speaker 13: out of the draft every single year. Nobody's got to

2494
01:53:08,479 --> 01:53:10,320
Speaker 13: take a look over at their scouting department.

2495
01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:15,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, why would Pittsburgh give up their wide receiver guru.

2496
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:20,160
Speaker 2: Well, well, maybe giving him a promotion less money at

2497
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:26,960
Speaker 2: a scouting direction. Yeah, No, it's I mean, it's not

2498
01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:31,720
Speaker 2: a bad theory in identifying who around the league is

2499
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:35,640
Speaker 2: a really good evaluator of wide receivers, in promoting them,

2500
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:38,479
Speaker 2: giving them more money and a promotion to get them

2501
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:38,840
Speaker 2: over here.

2502
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:42,440
Speaker 5: So just because you want Tom to identify a wide receiver.

2503
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:46,000
Speaker 3: To help you ongoing to help you know, part of

2504
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:46,599
Speaker 3: my scouting.

2505
01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:49,400
Speaker 5: I think Kevin Colbert was the reason for Pittsburgh scouting

2506
01:53:49,439 --> 01:53:51,719
Speaker 5: dominance and he's out of the league to retire.

2507
01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:55,400
Speaker 6: But would you say that an element of continuity there too?

2508
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:58,120
Speaker 6: Though it seems like, you know, stable coaching staff seem

2509
01:53:58,200 --> 01:53:59,760
Speaker 6: like their system was kind of in place. Knew what

2510
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:01,800
Speaker 6: they were looking for. Have people that have been there

2511
01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:03,800
Speaker 6: had come up, you know, knowing what they were looking

2512
01:54:03,800 --> 01:54:05,160
Speaker 6: I mean, is that part of it too?

2513
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:08,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, gonna go chat the egg with it, Like, how

2514
01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:10,320
Speaker 4: do you know how much of it is evaluation and

2515
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:13,080
Speaker 4: how much of it is development? Thanks James, because so

2516
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:15,360
Speaker 4: I would go with the development part now, because like

2517
01:54:15,479 --> 01:54:20,840
Speaker 4: they've had some guys over the years that Antonio Brown,

2518
01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:22,720
Speaker 4: It's like a sixth round pick. Now, some of that

2519
01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:24,040
Speaker 4: was because of the off field stuff.

2520
01:54:24,040 --> 01:54:27,040
Speaker 5: And Annuel Sanders and Antonio Brown. I believe we're in

2521
01:54:27,080 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 5: the same draft fourth and sixth round. Yeah wow, or

2522
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:31,759
Speaker 5: maybe back to back years.

2523
01:54:31,960 --> 01:54:34,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like that to me is development, right, that's what

2524
01:54:34,760 --> 01:54:37,160
Speaker 4: And Antonio Brown didn't play right away because it was

2525
01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:40,400
Speaker 4: a crowded and so they those two guys to me

2526
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:43,520
Speaker 4: are like development. They also had like Chase Claypool, who

2527
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:45,760
Speaker 4: was the most talented guy that's probably come out out

2528
01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:47,680
Speaker 4: of the draft at that position in a couple of years,

2529
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 4: and it just didn't work out, you know, had one

2530
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:53,240
Speaker 4: good year and didn't work out. So yeah, they have

2531
01:54:53,320 --> 01:54:55,440
Speaker 4: a great track record with wide receivers. I just don't

2532
01:54:55,480 --> 01:54:56,080
Speaker 4: know how much of that.

2533
01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:56,800
Speaker 5: It's all of it.

2534
01:54:56,960 --> 01:55:01,080
Speaker 4: It's coaching, it's development, it's evaluation. How do you replicate that?

2535
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:03,760
Speaker 6: One other thing, I saw Brady doing one of his

2536
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:05,720
Speaker 6: things that he's been doing, but he was talking about

2537
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:08,280
Speaker 6: receivers that couldn't get it and guys that you know,

2538
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:10,840
Speaker 6: this guy can't even line up right. He'd used Welker

2539
01:55:10,840 --> 01:55:13,360
Speaker 6: as an example of like Wes, I knew, no matter what,

2540
01:55:13,480 --> 01:55:14,920
Speaker 6: even if he doesn't catch the ball, he's gonna go

2541
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:16,280
Speaker 6: one hundred Miles, probably he's going to be in the

2542
01:55:16,360 --> 01:55:20,320
Speaker 6: right place. And he was pretty forthcoming about if the

2543
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:22,480
Speaker 6: guy doesn't know what he's doing, he's not getting the ball,

2544
01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:24,400
Speaker 6: and you know, so I just I think, and I

2545
01:55:24,520 --> 01:55:26,440
Speaker 6: brought it up before on the show, if he was

2546
01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:28,640
Speaker 6: part of that like and for better or worse, And

2547
01:55:28,720 --> 01:55:30,520
Speaker 6: you certainly got much more good than you got bad

2548
01:55:30,600 --> 01:55:32,800
Speaker 6: with Brady, but I think you also had a very

2549
01:55:32,920 --> 01:55:35,200
Speaker 6: high bar for what it took to be successful. And

2550
01:55:35,200 --> 01:55:37,000
Speaker 6: I mean I wonder if if maybe some of that's Nikill.

2551
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:38,760
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously ni Kill Harry hasn't worked out, but

2552
01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:41,000
Speaker 6: you know, it's it was tough to play for Tom

2553
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:42,680
Speaker 6: Brady and to be able, and I'm sure once you

2554
01:55:42,760 --> 01:55:46,000
Speaker 6: were up against it, it only got harder because he's

2555
01:55:46,040 --> 01:55:48,080
Speaker 6: looking less and less your way. He doesn't trust you,

2556
01:55:48,280 --> 01:55:50,360
Speaker 6: and you know, it gets harder, so he an he

2557
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:51,160
Speaker 6: kills part of it too.

2558
01:55:51,240 --> 01:55:55,040
Speaker 3: If Jalen Pope does well, does that like.

2559
01:55:56,600 --> 01:55:58,880
Speaker 2: Give you a little bit more confidence or does the

2560
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:01,800
Speaker 2: mistakes of the last few years still go on this

2561
01:56:01,960 --> 01:56:03,320
Speaker 2: current scouting department?

2562
01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:04,200
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

2563
01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:07,680
Speaker 5: I think a guy like Thornton it was still credited

2564
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:11,880
Speaker 5: was mac Growe remember, like remember mac growe belligerently, like

2565
01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:15,120
Speaker 5: speaking to us and all, you've been grinding all the

2566
01:56:15,160 --> 01:56:18,280
Speaker 5: tape and you know at that post draft press conference

2567
01:56:18,360 --> 01:56:19,920
Speaker 5: that year. But yeah, for the most part, this is

2568
01:56:19,960 --> 01:56:22,000
Speaker 5: a new group. There's the new guys that are picking

2569
01:56:22,040 --> 01:56:22,320
Speaker 5: the play.

2570
01:56:22,360 --> 01:56:24,640
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm picky. I just think, like, you know,

2571
01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:26,720
Speaker 6: to find a slot receiver, you know, you should be

2572
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:28,200
Speaker 6: able to do that. You should be able to find

2573
01:56:28,240 --> 01:56:30,160
Speaker 6: a guy like pol who you know, it looks like

2574
01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:32,920
Speaker 6: a solid, good sized possession receiver. The test for me

2575
01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:35,400
Speaker 6: is getting the one getting that, you know, being able

2576
01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:37,560
Speaker 6: to pull an Antonio Brown out of the sixth round

2577
01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:39,960
Speaker 6: those kind of thing, is that, you know, that's the

2578
01:56:40,040 --> 01:56:44,600
Speaker 6: true test of talent evaluation is finding an elite wide receiver.

2579
01:56:44,720 --> 01:56:46,280
Speaker 6: You know, these guys are good and they're solid, and

2580
01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:48,320
Speaker 6: I think there are two pieces in place that you

2581
01:56:48,440 --> 01:56:49,240
Speaker 6: need to win football.

2582
01:56:50,280 --> 01:56:50,760
Speaker 5: Is solid.

2583
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:52,000
Speaker 4: You know, they're solid pieces.

2584
01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:55,840
Speaker 6: You need the needle mover guy not make it.

2585
01:56:57,800 --> 01:56:59,480
Speaker 5: But you can't do that, you know, like, no, but

2586
01:56:59,560 --> 01:56:59,960
Speaker 5: that's fine.

2587
01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:03,200
Speaker 4: Bill was really grinding Liberty tape in the sixth round.

2588
01:57:03,880 --> 01:57:07,640
Speaker 5: But I'm okay with that. But I'm just saying it's

2589
01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:11,440
Speaker 5: not like they haven't been able to find complimentary pieces.

2590
01:57:11,560 --> 01:57:14,520
Speaker 5: To Mike's point, they haven't been Nikhil Harry was supposed

2591
01:57:14,520 --> 01:57:17,760
Speaker 5: to be the home run right, right, and they haven't

2592
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:18,280
Speaker 5: been able to.

2593
01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:18,840
Speaker 4: Get that guy.

2594
01:57:18,920 --> 01:57:21,200
Speaker 5: The high end guys, you know, first second round picks

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01:57:21,240 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 5: Aaron Dobson, you know, and no one's killing them for

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01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:26,960
Speaker 5: Kembell Tompkins. And when I'm drafted free agent.

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01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:29,040
Speaker 6: Like Evan can go out to the Shrine Bowl and

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01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:31,720
Speaker 6: see to Mario Douglas and say this guy's can move,

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01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:34,160
Speaker 6: he's you know, I can turn on Jalen Polk after

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01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:36,560
Speaker 6: not watching cold football and I'm saying, I like this kid.

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01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:38,000
Speaker 6: I think he can you know, I think he has

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01:57:38,040 --> 01:57:40,960
Speaker 6: something to offer. But it's that like finding that gem

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01:57:41,120 --> 01:57:42,800
Speaker 6: elite player that's going to truly.

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01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:45,600
Speaker 5: Identifying the guy like the kid from Arizona the other

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01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:48,160
Speaker 5: day and saying he can do that in the NFL. Yeah,

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01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:49,320
Speaker 5: and that's hard.

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01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:53,480
Speaker 3: Spiing Fresno, speaking of picking on no socks.

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01:57:53,840 --> 01:57:57,400
Speaker 2: He has a habit of sharply responding correct when someone

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01:57:57,480 --> 01:58:00,640
Speaker 2: has expressed an opinion he agrees with. If it an opinion,

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01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:04,640
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily correct. The implication is, yes, lucky you,

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01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:06,000
Speaker 2: I approve of your opinion.

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01:58:06,240 --> 01:58:08,320
Speaker 5: Man, this last this last portion of the show is

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01:58:08,320 --> 01:58:09,000
Speaker 5: not going to sit well.

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01:58:09,040 --> 01:58:13,560
Speaker 4: Then, I just feel like change. We all know him

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01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:15,760
Speaker 4: so well, so all these things that they're pointing out

2616
01:58:15,960 --> 01:58:18,320
Speaker 4: is like, well, that's just Matt and they don't you

2617
01:58:18,360 --> 01:58:20,000
Speaker 4: don't know him yet, so you'll.

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01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:23,320
Speaker 5: You'll realize exactly what ever is saying. Mad has a

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01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:28,400
Speaker 5: lot of quirky idiosyncrasies. You know, he's a character.

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01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:29,200
Speaker 6: You'll get to know him.

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01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:31,440
Speaker 2: You're gonna get to know him all season because he's

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01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:33,480
Speaker 2: going to be hosting the pre and post game show

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01:58:33,560 --> 01:58:34,880
Speaker 2: for the rest of the season.

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01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:38,480
Speaker 4: Except for that one game that's my favorite.

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01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:41,400
Speaker 2: All right, that's going to be it for this edition

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Speaker 2: of Patriots Unfilter. Remember we're back to three days a week,

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01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:49,480
Speaker 2: so we will be back tomorrow Wednesday, which is the

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01:58:49,640 --> 01:58:52,040
Speaker 2: turn the Page Day, although I know they've already looked

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01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:55,560
Speaker 2: at Cincinnati, but it's the first big media day of

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01:58:55,720 --> 01:58:58,440
Speaker 2: the season in the regular season. It'll be all about

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01:58:58,520 --> 01:59:01,880
Speaker 2: Cincinnati and the game coming up tomorrow, press conferences, all

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01:59:01,960 --> 01:59:02,480
Speaker 2: that stuff.

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01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:03,960
Speaker 3: So we'll see at noon.

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