WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Colorful Noises

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh Clark,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and Jerry's there.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't have a sound associated with her because she's

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<v Speaker 1>already listening to sound and this is short stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're we're doing one on the different color noises,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, white noise, brown noise, pink noise.

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<v Speaker 3>And Jerry literally just said.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I'm listening to brown noise right now, which I've

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<v Speaker 2>never heard of anyone just listening to noise unless they

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<v Speaker 2>were trying to sleep or you know, at a place

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<v Speaker 2>where they were trying to block out other noise. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think Jerry just said it like helped her relax

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<v Speaker 2>or something, or concentrate, would I think she said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the same thing I said, but with a

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<v Speaker 2>different word.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to try it too during work. It is

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to help you focus and at the very at

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<v Speaker 1>least drown out other noises. But it just didn't take

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<v Speaker 1>with me, at least at first, at least for working.

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<v Speaker 3>Get you do like ambient music, now, don't you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? But I get it for sleep for sure, which

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<v Speaker 1>is what most people use it for. Jerry's an odd duck.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I have been on record before. I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>brown nose adherent brown no noise.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know. Apparently I almost say brown nose.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you did say brown nose.

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<v Speaker 2>It can also be called red nose or red noise,

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<v Speaker 2>which I didn't know, but brown noise, as I've demonstrated

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<v Speaker 2>on the show, if this is white noise, this is

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<v Speaker 2>brown noise, and this is pink noise. Wo brown noises deeper,

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<v Speaker 2>has lower frequencies, has got more base, minimalizes that higher frequency.

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<v Speaker 2>And I didn't really know this, but apparently you can

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<v Speaker 2>liken some of these two sounds in nature. And apparently

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<v Speaker 2>brown noise is more akin to like a river rapid

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<v Speaker 2>or a heavy rainfall or fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, distant thunder, rumbling thunder even yeah. Yeah, So obviously

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<v Speaker 1>that's very alluring. Everybody likes those sounds, So brown noise

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense. And because there's also white noise and pink noise,

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<v Speaker 1>you think brown noise is just named after the color brown,

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<v Speaker 1>like for some reason, maybe it evoked the color brown

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<v Speaker 1>and the person who named it wrong. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>scientist named Robert Brown from Scotland who in the very

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<v Speaker 1>early eighteen hundreds was looking at pollen grains through his

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<v Speaker 1>microscope and saw them basically dancing around, and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not possible because pollen is not alive, and

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<v Speaker 1>he had no idea what this was, but he published

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<v Speaker 1>his paper so that future generations could solve it, and

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<v Speaker 1>apparently no less than Albert Einstein took it on and

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<v Speaker 1>found this was an excellent demonstration of atomic particles interacting

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<v Speaker 1>and basically moving ultimately these pollen grains along. And the

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<v Speaker 1>reason that it's named after Robert Brown Brown Noise is

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<v Speaker 1>because he tried to figure out how to quantify these

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<v Speaker 1>random movements, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this is a part like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is way above my scientific pay grade, so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure how you go about this. But he devised

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<v Speaker 2>this mathematical formula to predict the movements of the pollen

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<v Speaker 2>and use that to generate an electronic sound, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was Brown Noise.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, other people who came used his formula to

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<v Speaker 1>generate sound. I don't understand why either, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but so the sound of brown noise is literally

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<v Speaker 2>the formula for the sound of pollen moving, which is

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<v Speaker 2>just kooky to think.

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<v Speaker 1>About it is, but it's pretty cool too. I just

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<v Speaker 1>think good good factor the show. I think, yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all maths, so technically you could use math to

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<v Speaker 1>translate into other kinds of math, I'm guessing. But just

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of, yeah, figuring out how random movements can

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<v Speaker 1>turn into a sound is just I love that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, me too.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about this offline, Chuck while we take a break.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, we just had a great conversation about

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<v Speaker 2>brown noise offline, but now we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>white noise, the higher cousin to brown noise. Obviously, it

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<v Speaker 2>does have a range. It's not like it's just high frequency,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not as base heavy. They have the lows

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<v Speaker 2>in there, they have the mids and the highs. But

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<v Speaker 2>white noise is used aside from just sleeping a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times with like noise canceling headphones and stuff masking

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<v Speaker 2>other sounds. This one is a kid naturally to like

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<v Speaker 2>a light rain or a gentle breeze through the trees.

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds kind of nice.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the coolest things I learned ever, is that

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<v Speaker 1>in Kyoto, Japan, there is a the sound of wind

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<v Speaker 1>blowing through bamboo in this one. Park is a protected

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<v Speaker 1>heritage site like the sound itself is protected as a

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<v Speaker 1>world heritage.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think I remember talking about that game

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<v Speaker 2>I played, the Ghost of Tsushima.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's what it's called.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the sort of feudal Japanese Warrior PS four

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<v Speaker 2>game that I played. That the sounds in that game,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a gorgeous game, but the sounds of the wind

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<v Speaker 2>blowing through the poppy fields and through the bamboo forests,

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<v Speaker 2>like you could tell it was a thing that they

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<v Speaker 2>really wanted to capture and they did so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're confusing that with Cubert.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, dying, Dying, all right? What about pink noise.

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<v Speaker 1>Pink noise is a little different. It's kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>the compromise between white noise and brown noise, because the

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<v Speaker 1>white noise includes all frequencies. A lot of people are like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like those high frequencies, especially when I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep. But I'm not down with just nothing but

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<v Speaker 1>the low base heavy stuff. Give me some mid range

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe accentuate the lower and higher things a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but not too much. And if you do that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff, you have pink noise.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know, I just realized I have my

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<v Speaker 2>app here I might as well figure out what pink

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<v Speaker 2>noise sounds like because I wasn't exactly sure, So we

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<v Speaker 2>can just play this if that's right with you.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's pink. Yeah, that's white.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I couldn't kiss well.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that does sound like ocean waves.

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<v Speaker 2>That's brown, okay, But my app has a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>other colors, and I'm not sure if this is like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just go crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's also purple noise, blue noise?

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<v Speaker 1>Which app are you talking about? Dwell Spring?

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, this is a different one.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh yeah, our our friend actually developed a white

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<v Speaker 2>noise app, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's called dwell Spring. The guy who created our website,

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon Reid, friend of the show and just friend in general,

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<v Speaker 1>and also h one time world record holder Guinness record

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<v Speaker 1>holder of the four piggyback Man. Yeah, he created just

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<v Speaker 1>a world class sound generator app. And in addition to

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<v Speaker 1>all this the different colored noises, he also has things

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<v Speaker 1>like a box fan, the airplane cabin sound.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the one I use on my app, but I

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<v Speaker 2>forgot Brandon had his. I'm gonna switch over it just

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<v Speaker 2>to support.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It's really great. I mean like it's a really

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<v Speaker 1>good app The one that got me was crackling fireplace

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<v Speaker 1>in a thunderstorm.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh buddy Niche, Yeah, exactly so, but that just put

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<v Speaker 3>me to sleep thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So check out dwell spring. It's it really is a

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<v Speaker 1>good app and I think it's everywhere you can get apps.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure it is nice work, Brandon. So back to

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<v Speaker 3>the noises.

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<v Speaker 2>Like as far as which one is best for sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>there have been some very middling studies over the years.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll mention a few of them.

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<v Speaker 2>But the problem with these is, you know, in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen they were like, hey, let's get eight people in

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<v Speaker 2>here and watch them sleep, or the one in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen they got sixteen people.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just never a lot of folks, you know. I

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<v Speaker 3>guess you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Bed space is probably not the easiest thing to do

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<v Speaker 2>unless people are doing this at home. But at Oxford

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty seventeen, they got those eight people and they

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<v Speaker 2>said that they fell asleep forty percent faster listening to

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<v Speaker 2>white noise, but their overall sleep was about the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but still falling asleep, not being able to fall

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<v Speaker 1>asleep as a part of yea insomnia, not being sent

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<v Speaker 1>back to sleep as another part of it too, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I would I would say that's great. A

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<v Speaker 1>year before, somebody decided that they wanted to see how

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<v Speaker 1>how much better you could recall vocabulary words if you

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<v Speaker 1>slept using pink noise. Yeah, and I guess there was.

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<v Speaker 1>They they found that sixteen young adults who slept with

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<v Speaker 1>pink noise had slightly improved recollection of vocabulary words. So

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<v Speaker 1>they were like and pickle, whereas the other the control

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<v Speaker 1>group couldn't ever remember pickle.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like the green thing that was a cucumber one.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, man, I should have slept with pink noise.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a study in twenty seventeen from Northwestern of

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen older adults and they said pink noise provided deeper

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<v Speaker 2>sleep overall and improved again ability to recall.

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<v Speaker 1>Words and again that word with pickle.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a study in Iran. This is probably the

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<v Speaker 1>most robust of all of them. They looked at sixty

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<v Speaker 1>elderly coronary patients and they said half of you are

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<v Speaker 1>going to sleep with white noise. The other half are

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<v Speaker 1>not going to have white noise, but all of you

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<v Speaker 1>are in a hospital. And if you've ever tried to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep in a hospital, it should be illegal the sounds

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<v Speaker 1>that they have, because your sleep just to t rates

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<v Speaker 1>the longer you're in the hospital. It's awful. And he

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<v Speaker 1>took care of a brother when he was in the

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<v Speaker 1>hospital for like three weeks. She would stay there overnight.

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<v Speaker 3>It's tough.

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<v Speaker 1>She would. In addition to just all the beans and

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<v Speaker 1>the beeps and all that stuff. The nurses come in

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<v Speaker 1>and they're just like, hey, how's it going. It's time

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<v Speaker 1>for your blood pressure, like, and it's three in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>and that happens every like, you know, there's something that

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<v Speaker 1>wakes up every twenty minutes. And it's just so nuts

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<v Speaker 1>that hospitals are just so aloof about that when we

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<v Speaker 1>all know how important sleep is. And then that and

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<v Speaker 1>then nutrition in hospitals is abysmal as well, I should

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<v Speaker 1>say American hospitals. Yeah, I just wanted to go off

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<v Speaker 1>on that because it is something that should be fixed

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<v Speaker 1>in remedy.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's it's tough.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've ever had to be at a hospital for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time, supporting somebody or just you know, being

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<v Speaker 2>the patient, it is hard to sleep. The beds are

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<v Speaker 2>not great and they're always throwing on those fluorescent lights

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<v Speaker 2>right when you're dozing off.

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<v Speaker 1>It'd be like going to get your tires changed at

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<v Speaker 1>sears and they keep tax all over the floor, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like they're trying to they're just sabotaging themselves and doing

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<v Speaker 1>what they're supposed to be doing, which is healing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good point, and we should say the

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<v Speaker 2>results of the study in the control group, they found

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<v Speaker 2>the quality of sleep degraded as they obviously spent multiple

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<v Speaker 2>nights there with all those beeps and you know, let

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<v Speaker 2>me check your blood blood pressures happening. Once they had

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<v Speaker 2>the ones who had the white noise, they are quality

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<v Speaker 2>of sleep remained basically the same throughout their stay, so

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<v Speaker 2>it did not degrade over time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not that it's great, Yeah for sure. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like just put a white noise generator in every single

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<v Speaker 1>room or give every patient dwell spring.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Or you know, there there's that app, there's

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<v Speaker 2>other apps. There are standalone sound machines that you can get.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's just a little thing that you put

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<v Speaker 2>beside your bed or maybe Jerry has beside her desk

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<v Speaker 2>at work so she can sleep on the job.

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<v Speaker 3>And then as far as like how to use it, Like, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Up to you, depending on what noise does best for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Try different ones out the volume, try some different ones out.

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<v Speaker 2>I find that I get my very best sort of

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<v Speaker 2>put me to sleep stuff when I run it through

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<v Speaker 2>an actual speaker instead of just through my phone speaker,

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<v Speaker 2>because you get some more deep bass resonance. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and my napping trick is I will put a pillow

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<v Speaker 2>over my head and face and stick that phone under

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<v Speaker 2>there with me, and it creates this sort of echoe,

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<v Speaker 2>not echoe, but like a just sort of a it

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<v Speaker 2>traps the sound.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a cavern of sound. And that really gets me.

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<v Speaker 1>Out that in three shots of rum.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, you know, the afternoon rum.

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<v Speaker 1>You got anything else, man, I got nothing else. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that was very nice of you. Gave some great

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<v Speaker 1>advice to people who have trouble sleeping, which my heart

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<v Speaker 1>goes on. I next people like that for sure. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. I mean short stuff is out.

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